/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

jesus those numbers are hilariously similar

>>43810222
Almost identical numbers
Crazy
Is it an invisible cap?

>>43810222
More like Kiara is insanely unpopular

those are really sad numbers for a 3D debut

>>43810222
Because Ame can only handle producing so many lives

>>43811078
Fr fr I have no clue why her numbers are so much lower than Ina's

How much of Kiara's audience is Euro?
It was 4 o'clock in the morning there.

>>43811295
Kiara’s audience is more than 60% NA, but it’s extremely lower than other myth members that have more than 90% of their audience from NA.
Not all of it is Euro though, her fanbase is a mix of SA, SEA, Korea and JP

>>43811295
The left one was done in EU time

>>43811470
Not really, she was delaying and it was like 2am in EU. It’s better than 4am, but not what you would call prime time.

>>43810222
Funny how the VOD views are completely different, though.

>>43811535 (me)
>director’s cut
Nevermind, I’m retarded

>>43810222
cover and covid blew their advantage with EN by waiting 2.5 years for a 3d and Kanauru's stuff started to get predictable and stale. They did what they could with what little cover afforded them and the covid restrictions and this is the result since every other big EN indie and corpo finally caught up and surpassed them in certain aspects.

>>43810222
Studio Ame I kneel

>>43810602
>invisible cap
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you numberniggers and your retardation

>>43811535
2am is bad, but 4am is literally in the middle of the night. Even on weekends, only NEETs are awake at that time.

>>43811687
numberfagging is a mental illness

sorry im not waking up at 3am for the 3D reveal

>>43811384
>Kiara’s audience is more than 60% NA
>Not all of it is Euro though, her fanbase is a mix of SA, SEA, Korea and JP
I know USD is the majority of her superchats, but are there metrics for her viewer distribution?

Myth 3D "debut" showcase feels like a formality rather than an actual event. They have been using the model for a whole year, on streams (Ame) and some even held a concert (Kiara) or joining multiple 3D performance (Ina, Gura). Heck Mori had a fucking sololive way before this

>>43812494
Not really, this is the result from the SC earning.

>>43810222
I mean they don't even call it a debut.

>>43811164
Terrible outfit, bad voice, awkward ESLisms.
Pretty sure that's all there is to it.
And I don't even mean that in the way people here schizo out over it pretending it's nails on chalkboard (Nobody actually said this in 2021 it was literally memed into a "fact" after people ran out of other reasons to shit on her). It's more subtle than that. She doesn't catch their interest thus they don't follow her in any way.
Same reasons Sana was so insanely unpopular. It's not people going REEE I HATE HER MODEL / AUSSIE ACCENT / ASTRONOMY, it's just people vaguely going "this ain't cute" and thus they have no interest in ever opening a stream.

One thing to keep in mind is how INCREDIBLY casual the majority of EN audience is. Even clipwatchers are far ahead of the curve. Ive seen people who still didn't know Mori lived in Japan, an entire year after debut for example.

>>43810222
There isn't for Kiara. There are many for others

>>43811164
Because she's less popular than Ina and people tend to dislike her design + personality.

>>43810222
la creatividad!
Ame really is a gift.

>>43814689
This as much as pasionate fans she has the rality is that shes not that popular compared with th rest of myth, also thay already spoiled their 3d models so not so much reasons to be there

>>43814482
>One thing to keep in mind is how INCREDIBLY casual the majority of EN audience is. Even clipwatchers are far ahead of the curve. Ive seen people who still didn't know Mori lived in Japan, an entire year after debut for example.
I've seen Japanese people still being surprised IRyS speak Japanese. Like, two months ago.

>>43810566
similar amount of bots

>>43815069
What a surprise that the Japanese don't know much about ENshit. Legitimately why the fuck would the Japanese watch ENs when they have a fucking fuckload of better Japanese vtubers available to them.

>>43815069
No reason for japanese to care about EN

If anything, this just makes me believe in that rrat about YouTube mogging western channels's numbers.

Or are you going to try to convince that freaking Risu is more popular than Ina?

>>43815400
There's just a much bigger JP audience, don't forget that everyone had to stop streaming for her, so japanese only had tree rat to watch.

>>43810222
HoloEN is kinda declining as a whole. Numbers are down across the board. Same is true for NijiEN. Myth unity and collabs declined hard. There doesn't seem to be any interesting Myth moments anymore. Made worse by how many times the members keep saying shit like "I want to continue the TTRPG but nobody wants in anymore" or "I asked the others but nobody wants to join my sock puppet show" etc. Aaaand Gura not streaming. Normies are no longer seeing the strong unity they saw in 2020. These plus the declining interest in idol vtubers, I guess. Vtuber fans are more spread out now.

Also, it's Kiara. It's unfortunate, but it's Kiara...

>>43815817
Cover needs to stop trying to sell their talents by using gen unity kino, especially when most of them are just strangers and have no sense of professionalism like EN. At least JP side still keeps it professional and can produce unity when needed. Myth is a joke in term of group synergy. While Council isn't doing too bad relatively speaking, they unfortunately have Kronii

Wait till OP finds out from which Corpo Amelia Watson is

>>43817136
He's saying that the birthday 3D was the result of Ame's tech and that a full-blown, corpo-backed event having negligible ccv difference brings into question just how worthwhile it is to not just invest in your own shit and do 3D whenever you want.

>>43815400
Maybe the ID's actually got Jap viewers because they didn't stream at awful times
Cover is still psychotically obsessed with their meme "PST-friendly" timeslot even though the EN audience has already revealed themselves to be completely worthless and dying fast.

>>43817261
I think it's true that quality barely matters. I swear with the right circumstances you could unironically make fucking skinwalkers or hell, even literal MMD, be just as popular as the "real dancing", normies have absolutely ZERO standards.

>>43817374
To be honest if EN try to stream during JP prime time they get awful numbers, if for EN to get viewers means to make every JP holo stop streaming then they shouldn't even bother.

>>43817463
The bulk of HoloEN's '3D output' has been slavedriving Kanauru into piloting their models because they couldn't get into the studio and no one seemed to give a shit.

No one, at any point, looked at the 3D showcase and thought 'Great, now we get to see what she looks like inside the official studio!' They cared about seeing her in 3D for the first time regardless of how it was done. Kiara and Calli have already been using the fuck out of their models and they will 100% have worse ccv than Ame and Gura because of it.

>>43817374
>muh IDs

What's even sadder is the one Ame made probably cost a fraction of the Cover one.

>>43815565
The same happened to Ina and Kiara. No Overlap allowed.

>>43817854
I know, but it wasn't during JP prime time or even time JPs are streaming

>>43811164
I can tell you why. Her voice, her very abrasive personality, her tendency to talk shit about her genmates because she's jealous, her me me me me me me me attitude. Kiara should be humble and she's not.

>>43814482
Sana was doing okay until Youtube called her subs by 70%. The most in Council by far. I think that took the wind out of her system right away

>>43818222
*culled*

>>43816778
not only does council have Kronii, they also lost Sana
Sana alone might not have been the best there was, but she had a way of pushing people's buttons in entertaining ways

>>43814482
This. The majority of people on here claim it's her fake voice that puts them off. But that's not the case pretty much everywhere else. The casual viewer simply doesn't like her ESL accent and her outfit (the regular one, which is burned into their minds as it's synonymous with her design).

>>43810222
>Is there any reason to have a big corporate 3D studio when someone like Amelia Watson can produce the same viewing results?
>Ame's mocap is barely functional
>the mocap data is scuffed at best
>the working conditions are shit because it's the middle of somebody's house
>Kiara had to dance on fucking cardboard and plastic
>danced for hours, found out everything was unusable because the mocap recording was broken, and danced for hours again the next day
>no technicians on site so everything was done by girls who don't exactly have the best grip on technology
>JP guests completely impossible
>situation was so bad that Kiara and Ina had a naked fistfight on Ame's dinner table while Gura cowered in a corner profusely shitting herself and masturbating
I can think of a few good reasons to use the official studio

>>43815400
I mean it's been proven. The waiting to watching bug or feature happened in early December 2020 and affected only vtubers and it affected EN and ID vtubers a lot more than JP ones. Their ccv shrunk by like 70% overnight. This bug or feature does not happen to any fleshtubers though. At the end of 2020 vtubers were mogging everyone else in livestreaming on YouTube and Susan couldn't have that so she put this "feature" in place. Hololive EN and ID vtubers have a like ratio that is insane whereas the JP girls have a more normal ratio. For instance, recently, Gura and Subaru streamed at the same time. They both had around the same ccv with Subaru slightly ahead. By the end of their streams Subaru had 7k liked whereas Gura had 28k. The streams lengths were about the same. Those kind of like ratios didn't start until after December 2020 when that waiting to watching bug was put in. Before that they were normal like other livestreamers on YouTube. The fucked up thing is that in late December 2021 and early Jan 2022, there was another ccv cull but this time it really hit the JP vtubers hard. Guess what? It was fixed a week later and the one that affected EN over 2 years ago was never fixed.

>>43818686
I think her voice is pretty disliked in general and people said so from the beginning, it's just this whole "SHE IS LITERALLY UNWATCHABLE AIIIEEE MY EARS" only started getting spammed in 2022 once people no longer had other excuses to complain about her

>>43818686
She isn't that esl. That's not what bothers me, and her outfit doesn't either. It's her personality, she's always about me me me me me me, very abrasive and acts like a bitch toward her other genmates. That's why i don't like her

>>43811164
way way less popular + this is like, the 4th time she "showcase" her 3d model

>>43816778
now that sana is gone and council is 4 members now, every snot collab looks like, "hey instead of doing a council 4 people game collab, forget about bae and get gura instead" lol now that gura is not streaming and kronni is bussy collabing with vesper im glad the mufaubae off collab happenned, those 3 seem more closer now

>>43818921
>She isn't that esl.
Not anymore. But for whatever reason she was extra ESL in her first 2 months. First impressions are a huge factor though.

>>43818874
This. Ironic that they’re only starting to use the voice argument when she almost completely dropped the exaggerated voice and changed mic multiple times.
I can barely tell the difference between her character and RM voice.

The Me Me Me meme is also completely manufactured. It suddenly appeared in myth collabs, not when she was doing anything wrong, but simply everytime she spoke. The Kiara hate isn’t organic, it’s always spamming self-fags that are running out of arguments.

>>43818172
Hello 2020 /vt/ !

>>43818824
Part of why the JPs got fixed was because they actually complained about it. Same thing with HoloX being able to bounce back better from debut week sub culling.

>>43819246
Doesn't change the fact that she's unpopular.

>>43811470
She never streams for Europoors. She either targets JP audience (early afternoon for EU) or USA (late night for EU)
Nina has better streaming times for EU despite being in Canada.

>>43818824
That... actually makes so much sense. I wonder why people dont talk more about it.

I noticed a couple months ago that the like-to-view ratio was weird. But this one took the cake, for sure.

>>43819459
Kiara never streams late night for EU (when not in Japan). Her latest streams are in the evening. Nothing close to late at night.

>>43819394
I mean, it’s a simple case of start low, stay low. It’s the same as Sana.
There isn’t a anti-Kiara normalfag mob explicitly boycotting Kiara or anything like that. She’s just slightly less popular as in "I guess, I’ll make some time for my top 3 vtuber and Kiara isn’t one of them" kind of thing.

I honestly don’t even care. I hate tourists and casuals who still believe that Kiara never left Japan or is unironically Australian. A strong and faithful community is more important and numberfagging is a mental illness. KFP is comfy, Tentacult used to be comfy and is now invaded by horny fucks who scroll #4thwah but don’t watch streams. This is not a win.

>>43816778
It's not just gen unity kino, back then almost all five had big personalities, so they could hold their own. A couple of yabs and I'm-not-feeling-its, now they're like a derelict building full of crackheads. We know Ina and Kiara are trying to stay afloat at least, but in Kiara's case, she just can't break the barrier. It's like the stigma attached to Internet Explorer.

>>43818172
>>43818921

>acts like a bitch toward her other genmates
Shes literally the only one who was always seen on her genmates's streams casually talking and interacting. Even with Gura.

> Me me me
... what? You mean Kiara, the one who organized the Among Us Collab where she wasnt even featured in it, just because the other girls wouldnt do it themselves?

Meanwhile, Gura completely ignored the HalloweEN VR Collab to "do her own thing".
But yeah, Kiara is the MeMeMe. Sure.

>>43815400
anon, ID has it much worse than EN, but their 3D shocase was during JP and KR prime time, so they had a lot more full viewers.

>>43814482
There's still people who think Kiara is Australian.

>>43819394
Kiara isn't unpopular though. At this point she arguably has the most popular streams behind Gura.

>>43819649
>in Kiara's case, she just can't break the barrier
That's probably due to Kiara's personality and her fanbase. When people offered honest feedback on what they'd like to see they were immediately attacked, called eggs, blocked, or dismissed as haters.
Kiara missed her window to be as popular as Pekora, Marine, Korone, and Gura.

>>43820006
Hello, egg. Kiara won. Seethe for eternity.

>>43820006
>/vt/ hates mori and she’s immensely popular
>/vt/ hates Kiara and she’s slightly less popular than other Myth girls
It literally doesn’t matter. Normalfags and tourists is what give you sweet sweet numbers. This place, reddit, Youtube comments or anything that hardcore fans might think literally does not matter.

>>43814482
It's surely a combination of these factors. After EN1 debuted I watched Kiara the most despite all the drawbacks. She is a good storyteller and she talked about interesting stuff. Her passion for idol culture also helped. Unfortunately, her negativity and jealousy made me drop her in the end (her outfit reveal when she interrupted the steam for "technical" reasons was the last straw for me). My current oshi also has some unpleasant drawbacks, but I'm sticking to her because her streams are fun and comfy.

>>43819764
>ID has it much worse than EN

Does it, now?

>>43820150
NTA but case in point.

>>43819516
It’s one of those things that everyone in /#/ knows but ignores partly to shit on EN, partly because acknowledging that Susan (and now Neal) can fuck with the numbers however they want would invalidate the whole CCV horserace. People outside of /#/ either never cared or stopped caring after realizing it was all bullshit.

>>43810222
>Birthday
One of the first instances of using the real 3D model, and still riding off of the covid viewerbase. Arguably hyped up due to Ame doing it in a cave with a box of scraps. I don't know if the EU-friendlier start time helped or not since who tf knows what her fans' geographic distributions are?
>3D Showcase
3D model isn't a mystery anymore, fans from covid times petering out, no events or similar building hype or funneling. Kiara's overall popularity via personality and stream content isn't high enough to on it's own pull viewers in for something that's "just" a 3D stream. You can paint it with whatever coat of color you want, but there's nothing special with this kind of 3D content when we see all kinds of 3D stuff from Cover overall each week.

>>43819737
The type of person making those claims is also the type of person that posts this: >>43820006

At this point I don't know if these 'eggs' are retarded or falseflagging KFP.
After seeing her superchat numbers in this 3d showcase is almost double that of Ina despite having half the CCV, I believe in picrel theory more especially when the 'drawbacks' mentioned here are the same regurgitated tame stuff everyday.

>>43818693
At least pretend that you watched the live

It's weird to see numberniggers pretend that viewers make informed decisions on who they watch. Call me crazy but I just think idol fast food manager phoenix warrior is just not a very marketable concept and most people don't even bother checking out someone that doesn't immediately catch their eye.
Anyway it's kind of retarded to discuss why someone's numbers are "so bad" when they are in a position that 99% of aspiring streamers would kill for.

>>43820310
The "honest feedback" that >>43820006
is talking about amounted to telling Kiara to turn in to a completely different person, graduate, or die. That's why KFP pushed back against it and eggs are still malding about it to this very day. She listened to actual constructive criticism so much she twisted herself in to a pretzel trying to accommodate it all.

>>43820168
This is also an egg

>>43820310
The reason her antis are ridiculed is because calling someone with Kiara's viewership and earnings "unpopular" is really silly.

>>43820639
Yup. I personally think that Kiara is probably the happiest EN member the past year. She tweets so much and I am baffled by the amount of vacations and offcollabs she is having recently and she seems to be more excited to stream than her fans because she wants someone to share all her experiences and stories to.

And she is getting paid for it lol, by her saviourfag fanbase that her antis helped cultivate. The more hate she gets, the more loyal her fanbase gets.

>>43820756
Kek. At least pretend you watch Kiara. She talked at length about how recording her birthday concert at Ame's house was a struggle and she longed for Cover's official 3D studio.

>>43819959
collab buffs

I don't fucking care what circumstances you have about your 3D model being old news. If you have 2mil subs and are part of the EN miracle gen, you should not be pulling the same ccv as fucking Finana.

>>43821243
oh no numbersister, are you gonna cry and shit your pants?

>>43821243
>2mil subs
>Finana numbers
Nigga who are you talking about?

>>43821056
>I personally think that Kiara is probably the happiest EN member the past year.
>she seems to be more excited to stream than her fans

I believe Bae is in the same boat. This whole FeBAEry was her initiative, no one asked if she was going to do it again this year and shes going full force with it.

Ironic that the runts of their gens seems to be the happiest and the ones that will prolly be doing this for the longest lol

>>43821104
I mean you also didn't include how the data was actually functional with covers software but okay

>>43819959
Did you miss how the shockingly low numbers are both solo streams? She can't collab with JP forever she's going home soon senpai.

>>43821056
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1629461396605005825

https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1629463205125971969?cxt=HHwWgoDTwduJgp0tAAAA

>>43821385
I agree. It helps that Cover treats all their talents well regardless of 'numbers'.
Really impressed that Bae is doing this while in JP.

>>43820294
This is just stupid, wtf?

>>43811164
To be blunt, Kiara isn't particularly talented in any area except being multilingual, and otherwise just doesn't stand out compared to her genmates
Early Kiara being insecure, her minor ESL, and the slight cultural disconnect with her genmates and contributed to lack of casual interest
There's also good reason she's a failed idol IRL and it was on full display during both her 3D lives - she's not good at singing while dancing, despite like a decade of experience (and her karaoke singing has always been mid-tier at best, neither great nor sovl)

>>43820168
>(her outfit reveal when she interrupted the steam for "technical" reasons was the last straw for me
I don't remember this?

>>43821951 (me)
>and contributed to lack of casual interest
oops
meant "and her polarizing voice contributed to a lack of casual interest"

>>43821951
I swear I've seen this copy and pasted word for word before for like a year now.

>>43820850
Call me an egg or whatever. I don't hate her and I still watch some of her streams every now and then (e.g. the collabs with HoloJPs were good). I appreciate that she works hard, but she is just no longer among my favorites and I don't watch her streams regularly.

>>43821951
>she's not good at singing while dancing,
Reminder that KFP literally bullied her into releasing a 4Blood cover because of how good her performance was.... when it was just an improvised choreography that she didn’t learn and not even an original song of hel.

>>43822296
That would be quite the feat considering I messed up >>43822268
It's a common sentiment though
It's been 2.5 years - people have had plenty of time to solidify their opinions on Myth talents

>>43821850
Cute.
Any link to the TwitterSpace ?

>>43819737
Yes Kiara is me me me me me me. She doesn't shut up about herself. Go look on Twitter. She's admitted to being jealous of Gura. Even though Gura invited all of Myth to perform at her birthday, Kiara didn't invite Gura. There's a reason why she is the least watched in Myth and I told you. She's a bitch, her voice is annoying and she doesn't shut up about herself

>>43822572
I looked at her twitter and she was livetweeting about Calli's apex concert. So selfish.

Kiara is a massive numbers person, going as far as asking if she should change her stream times to get more views and complaining about being the last to a million subs. You better believe she's at home seething that Ina pulled in far more viewers than she did. The real test will be Mori's 3D stream. If she pulls double Kiara's numbers you'll see another sob stream clip from Kiara very soon.

>>43822370
I don't hate her either, but something I've noticed is that you can hardly say a word that they could even misconstrue as negative before they slap that label on you.
>>43822572
I've noticed you seem to keep bringing up Gura. Got something to tell us, bud?

>>43819386
Yeah I know and EN are little fucking bitches for not complaining but it also shows that jp care a lot about numbers

>>43822658
>>43821385
>>43821850
>>43821056
Kek the duality of anons

>>43821951

> she's a failed idol IRL
Being an Idol in JP is already a bloodbath between japanese. To succeed as a gaijin, you literally have to be a genius like those anime protagonists. She never had a chance. Its commendable that she even tried in the first place.

>and her karaoke singing has always been mid-tier at best, neither great nor sovl
Now you're showing you never watched her karaokes.
The one where shes singing and realize mid song that the lyrics are alluding to a fellatio and start losing her shit is one of the most sovl things I've seen.

>>43822658
>You better believe she's at home seething t
Meanwhile Kiara: KFP kyute
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1629461396605005825

>>43820639
Picrel is close, but just antis alone would not explain her community staying tight-knitted and willing to pay up. Both Kronii and Mori had much larger anti movements against them than Kiara in 2022, and both of them did worse than Kiara in SCs and they had a higher percentage of viewer falloff as well. IRyS and Fauna avoided drama and occupied the space Ina and Gura left behind and they inclined in SCs as well despite the audience they inherited not paying as much beforehand to the Myth members mentioned.
Kiara's strength lies in being suited for gachikois. Gachis like to have as much content as possible and Kiara streamed 50% more than the EN with the second most hours streamed in 2022, not to mention always working on an original song, a cover, a hyped collab or other significant content that keeps interests high. Her social media presence is also outstanding compared to her peers and a large part of it is interacting with her close fanbase. She's also not afraid to get personal, borderline parasocial even, like when she just posted pictures of her larynx unprompted yesterday, gachis eat that shit up. The one thing she lacks is that she doesn't do dedicated GFE streams like ASMR or other similar roleplaying, but outside of that, she's unmatched at keeping paypiggies and hooking into ones that give her a chance.

>>43822813
shh anon. He needs to be able to sleep tonight coping that Kiara is seething. Don't break his illusion.

>>43818824
I'm assuming in the west they want the algorithm to focus on mrbeast style slop, whereas for japan chuubas are relatively normie-friendly by comparison, so the algorithms are okay with them

>>43822806
>To succeed as a gaijin
Yes JP are xenophobic, but you can't tell me that even if she were a nip, she would've been a successful idol with a straight face, not with the live 3D performances she's shown so far
>The one where shes singing and realize mid song that the lyrics are alluding to a fellatio and start losing her shit is one of the most sovl things I've seen.
That's not sovl - that's just funny
It's when you're singing horribly yet enthusiastically that it's "sovl" - see Ame and Noel

>>43810222
The timeslot for the 3D reveals are fucking ass.
Euros are asleep, peak time for JP Holo viewers is 8/9/10pm.

Only America is benefitting from this shit.

>>43822572
>Even though Gura invited all of Myth to perform at her birthday, Kiara didn't invite Gura

-Gura had Kanauru dance as Walfie Kiara for her 1st 3D Live (Kiara confirmed it wasnt her dancing.
-Gura didnt invite Kiara for her 2nd 3D Live. The only EN invited was Kronii.

-Kiara wanted to have all Myth dancing with her for her 1st 3D Live. But Gura and Mori arrived at Ame's too late and that wasnt possible. She still included both of them on the MC part.

I understand not wanting to watch Kiara's lives. But you just showed us that you also didnt watch Gura's.

>>43811078
>debut
EN and ID only get showcases and Kiara's showcase was the furthest from a "3D debut" of any of them.
>already had a full 3D concert for her last birthday
>already showed off her "proper" Cover 3D in a big JP stream earlier this year at New Year's
Even beyond everything else that trounces Kiara's numbers like her outfit and her ability to filter underage shitters (and her being EU when those streams happen in the middle of the night for EU viewers) this showcase was always going to have the lowest CCV by a mile because there was literally no mystery left for her 3D.

>>43812494
Not really. But seeing as her last EU Fire Emblem stream had 3.8k viewers while her first JP Fire Emblem stream with a spontaneous off-collab with Ina, Ame and a pre-return Gura sat at 3k I'd say NA streaming times don't do much good for Kiara.

>>43823111
>but you can't tell me that even if she were a nip, she would've been a successful idol with a straight face

I literally said its a bloodbath. It would be hard for even Suisei to be an idol irl, because the other girls would surely try to reap the competition.

>That's not sovl - that's just funny
Well, after realizing what the song was about, she started "singing horribly yet enthusiastically". Which is sovl, by your own definition.

Cope seethe and mald
She won and you lost tranny

>>43818824
Kiara is also European, a really bad market for most of YT's advertisers so she might get a double whammy of viewer surpression.
Never forget that when Elon took over twitter and removed the SJW content filters trending topics in Japan jumped from leftist shill and K-pop to anime and video games.
These companies are not beyond flat out lying for an agenda; an anime chicken from Austria is something Susan didn't want to see. I wonder if Neal will be better.

>>43822658
she raked in far more sc $$ than ina did though

>>43823801
almost double kek

>>43819459
>>43819585
Before this Japan trip Kiara usually streamed Fire Emblem from 4pm until midnight CET, so both of you are wrong - unless you are saying "late night" starts at midnight.

>>43822265
Maybe he is talking about YT chat literally crashing her PC so she had to redo the stream a few days later?
I don't know, I don't speak "lying bastard".

>>43811164
Ina was the first 3D debut, rarely does karaoke, and gets more JP viewers when she does major events. Also Kiara lost most of her EU viewers at that time which gave a moderate debuff.

>>43822658
welcome to 2020 anon

>>43823615
>It would be hard for even Suisei to be an idol irl, because the other girls would surely try to reap the competition.
Suisei actually has a good chance of being a successful idol IRL (assuming she isn't ugly), and IIRC she was only rejected due to being a jack-of-all-trades
Kiara tho, with the level of talent she's displayed, was doomed for failure in that scene
She's honestly a better streamer than an idol
>>43823615
>Well, after realizing what the song was about, she started "singing horribly yet enthusiastically". Which is sovl, by your own definition.
If having any "sovl" moments makes you a sovl singer, that would mean Mumei and IRyS are sovl just because they were goofing around in their karaokes sometimes

>>43820639
picrel makes one huge lapse in judgement: the people who love US memes and humor had 4 (by now 9) holos to spread out over not to mention almost all Nijis, vshojo and a ton of smaller chubbas.
Want an American vTuber with American interests? Boy, do you have a ton of choices!
Want an English speaking idolfag with a very Japanese streaming style? Well, you have Kiara... and maybe some indies?
Kiara has a diehard fanbase because she offers something almost unique. What she offers is not in popular demand but the people who love it really love it.

>>43821951
>>43823111
Just because you want to believe she is not good, doesn't mean she isn't. You'd have to be blind not to see that Kiara's performances are easily among the best in Hololive , the 3D debut yesterday showed this clearly, specially when she danced and sang with Subaru and Nenechi. A true shame that the 3D can't even capture her movements perfectly, otherwise it would have been even better.

Also, you're deluding yourself with the "failed idol" moniker you're trying to pin on Kiara. She was fucked over and had to quit, but in the last unit she was active, she made a good name for herself and we know that she was the most popular idol of her agency through the statements of other idols active at the time. Kiara isn't bitter about her past as an idol because she was bad, she is bitter because she had to quit when things were good and she was picking up the pace.

>>43821385
If I was a streamer I'd much rather stream for KFP or brats than for chumbuds, ngl.
Yeah, many chumbuds (in total numbers) are decent people and good viewers but a lot of them (in relative terms) are mentally retarded children both literally and sadly also figuratively.

>>43821951
One of her big talents (relative to the rest of EN) is not being deadly afraid of social encounters.
HoloEN would miss a lot without the organiser of the New Year's relay 2021, the advent calender 2022 and tons and tons of collabs both small and big.
But it's not something that brings you numbers.

>>43818824
How does the bug even work if it's true? Myth is in Japan using JP internet, why are they still getting hit?

>>43810222
okay numberschizo
lets see the numbers again in 8 months

>>43825139
They aren't. There is just a lot of cope because Kiara isn't liked and can't pull in an audience like the other Myth girls. You'll see the rest easily break 50k.

>>43825336
>Later today, in posts that aged like milk

>>43825139
It's on a per channel basis not a "internet" basis.
Mori uses JP internet most of the time and once she had a stream at the same time as FBK for a similar length (around two hours) with half of foob's CCV - yet miracuriously after the stream both of them had the same amount of views and even afterwards the views stayed very similar.
YT decides you are an undesirable channel and it just cuts the number it displays while live hoping to make you seem less popular so less people want to check you out.

>>43825404
NTA but I can see it happen easily. Gura shits out numbers because she's the meme shark and Mori has very positive reception for her 3D projects. Ame is the one that's questionable as she just had a 3D program and even outside of that her 3D was seen countless times, not to mention her stage presence is nothing to write home about compared to the rest of Myth (still cute, though). Perhaps some people who anticipate something creative from her and her delivering on that aspect could help her out, but I don't expect her to beat Kiara by much.

>>43825667
more evidence of this is that whenever mori collabed with mouse, mouses viewcounts spiked by more than mori's usual ccv even on her more popular streams, and this happened more than once

youtube definitely does funky things to numbers.

>>43823801
Eggs like to ignore that she makes the most SC in all of EN by far these days.

>>43818074
So, r u saying that NA audience can't compare with JP one?

>>43822658
>Mori 3D stream
You won´t be able to hear her singing because of the constant sounds of her fat rolls smacking against eachother

>>43825404
>not showing up to watch this train wreck unfold

>>43825867
Viewers are something streamers brag about.
Superchats are what camwhores brag about. Think about that.

>>43824915
The thing is that without Kiara the minimal collabs we'd get from the autists would just be seen as normal. Nobody would even know they were missing out on anything.
At best you'd get a stronger Myth vs Council war when Council collabs more and has better synergy, but this would still be negated by the fact that Gura and Mori made cliques with Councilmems anyway.

>>43818824
>>43819516
>>43820294
>>43825841

Theres a lot of evidences of Youtube nuking EN's numbers. And its not even just Holo. Niji's numbers also got culled at around the same time.

I guess people dont care because its an opportunity to shit on the chuubas you dont like, saying its dying, etc.

>>43825867
>Rushia and Coco were the top 2 superchat earners
>Rushia and Coco no longer work for Cover
You make a good point anon. I hope Kiara keeps making lots of superchats.

>>43826118
>Viewers are something streamers brag about.
>Superchats are what camwhores brag about. Think about that.
Your retarded argument falls apart when she never did either, dipshit.
>>43826536
>KIARA MUST GRADUATE REEEEEE REEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>43824563
>You'd have to be blind not to see that Kiara's performances are easily among the best in Hololive , the 3D debut yesterday showed this clearly
I'm also not deaf - she can't sing well while dancing
Being one of the best in holo at dancing is not a high bar, and she's already very middle of the pack when it comes to live singing
I know she wants to live the live idol dream, but that's not where her strengths lie
She should stick with prepared and post-processed performances ala holofes last year

>>43811164
Ina is solely carried by Kuroboshi face

>>43810222
It proves corpos should use both
>"first 3d": 30k ccv
>first real 3d: 30k ccv
Vs
>first real 3d: 30k ccv
>second real 3d: 25k ccv

>>43826700
She sounded pretty good, I dunno what you're talking about. Live DO U was arguably better than the original.

>>43810222
As great as Ame is for doing that, she's still one person with a couple of CG dudes under her command vs an entire team in a professional studio on top of being able to have JP guests assuming they aren't busy.

>>43826563
Oh no, he's about to cluck

KFPiss will be crying that she's not that bad now until their deaths. Now the real test is Mori, will the JP buff outweigh her yabs?

>/vt/ keeps arguing kiara isn't popular
>egg threads keep reaching 150+ replies
i would say she is very popular in the heads of you retards. i swear to matsuri it is absolutely crazy to me how you can care so much about someone that you "don't like".
i don't like my neighbour, on normal days i think about him 0 times and make 0 posts about him.

>>43827099
Only people crying are numberfags and dramatourists such as yourself.

>>43827099
>her fans like her
no way. surely they are hate watching and paying for memberships, superchats and merch ironically!

>>43827155
they're just baitposters farming (You)'s
you can tell since they're using 'arguments' from 3 years ago, meaning that they don't even watch streams.

>>43826536
Kiara is the Fubuki of EN: she wont leave unless Cover does something REALLY messed up. Heck, I can see everyone in EN graduating eventually while only Kiara stays.

Having a proper studio available and a reason to go to Japan every now and then its enough to make Kiara happy.

After all 3D showcases, pay close attention: Im betting my right arm that Kiara will be the one who had the most fun doing it (you can already see it in the way she was messing around with Subaru and Nene).

This is just a bad time to be a Kiara Hater.

>>43818921
>very abrasive and acts like a bitch toward her other genmates
I've never seen this.
I think you're talking about the German autism, which is equally intolerable.
Her coworkers will be making subtle jokes, and 9/10 will fly over her head, while the 1/10 she catches she'll point out and go "oh, I see what you did there, ha, ha, ha!"
Just a total lack of wit, subtlely, and charisma.
Nice enough girl though, so no fault to those who like her, but this is my opinion

>>43826803
Are you serious?
Yesterday's 3D live was particularly bad timing since her voice hasn't fully recovered - you could hear her voice cracking at times, nevermind being slightly off-key at times
Just compare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3Z9dPHKS3Q&t=3813s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI96hnhcr2E
And that's with DO U arguably being the best of her performances yesterday

>>43827235
Yeah, I mean, you'd think they would mention something more recent like Kiara being totally unprofessional by blowing off a sponsorship stream with Kronii. Then afterwards, trying to stream the same game for views and having to make a point of mentioning superchats would be turned off after getting called out by people.

>>43826803
Anon, I'm KFP and DO U sounded way worse than the recording. It's not a song that's meant to be sung on a hot mic as it has no breathing space at all, in fact, it's better sung as a duo as there are overlapping parts flowing into each other from low chord to high ones. It's very noticable when she has to leave out parts of the lyrics to adjust on the fly.

>>43827404
>no fault to those who like her, but this is my opinion

And thats fine.
You're not expected to like anybody but your oshi.
The problem is when you spend way more time, energy and effort hating on someone for stupid reasons for over 2 years.
Its just not worth.

>>43812567
Blame the Japanese government and EN management

>>43818693
Please write more about Gura masturbating over naked girls.
Also include pee, as in, her pissy cunny.

>>43820006
>honest feedback
Lmao, you sly dog you.

>>43827675
Why are you showing me something I've already seen as proof of anything? It's ok to disagree, I honestly think she sounded great.

>>43827675
>>43829091
Throat hort also gave us sexier, deeper voice Kiara.

>>43821951
>>43822268
These posts were written by female hands

>>43827690
Pretty sure it was not "on the fly", she planned that beforehand. She also leaves out lyrics towards the end in Sparks when they overlap - it's something that KIRA likes doing and I don't think it's something that surprises Kiara.

>>43810566
That means she is making a good job at keeping her audience. That is the hardest part for a vtuber

>>43827099
>how dare KFPiss like her! Stop liking what I don't like!
>she doesn't have good numbers either, so it doesn't make logical sense to support her! I just don't understand!
- u

>>43829789
Or tranny hands, which are even more dramatic

>>43826760
are you retarded? Ina is literally the only one with an actual talent other than "acting cute and defenseless"

>>43822658
>Kiara is a massive numbers person
Kek this was never true. Imagine thinking the JRPG streamer is a numberfag.
>If she pulls double Kiara's numbers you'll see another sob stream clip from Kiara very soon
Take your meds, Anon. Being this delusional isn't healthy.

>>43830331
and actively tries to ruin her fanbase by neglect, laziness and obesity

>>43827246
Fubuki collabs with holostars
Ame is the Fubuki of EN

>>43826700
>Kiara's two greatest skills are singing and dancing
>gets unanimously praised for her 3D showcase
>her singing and dancing are praised specifically
>"y-yeah well ackhsually she's not that good..."
KEK. On a scale of 10 to 10 how much are you malding right now?

>>43830798
Ame is closer to the Matsuri of EN if anything

>>43830798
I meant in relation to trusting Cover. I hope you at least got that part.
As for Ame being Fubuki... well, Fubuki has yet to burn out, so...

>>43830910
How so?

>>43830988
Ame literally called herself, with these words, a "cover buttlicker", to the point she did homo group collabs to shill them
I get that Kiara is also very loyal to cover, but Ame is at a point that she wants to make a career there and do anything the senior managers want her to do

>>43830910
Not at all lmao

>>43818824
And after these posts, numberfags go on as normal with their numbarfagging, heh.

What a fucking dystopian world to live in.

>>43831382
She did say that, but wasn't it "bootlicker"?
Unrelated but I severely want to lick Ame's butt

>>43831382
I wish Ame would lick my butt.

>>43830384
Yeah, ok.

>>43834485
You can count 3 (three, tres, san) occurrence of her ever talking about numbers. And each time she has done literally nothing to improve them.
Making Kiara into a numberfag is a fucking joke.

>>43835330
The fact that she still talks about this stuff at all means that deep down she cares
She used to get straight up depressed about being the least subbed in her gen. She got better but numbers are still on the back of her mind

>>43830384
Kiara is a numberfag but also loves JRPGs a lot. She’s just cursed with having an interest that actively debuffs her

>>43835562
>She used to get straight up depressed
She made ONEcomment on her 1M, talked about it for less than a minute and it’s still living rent free in your head more than a year later.

Bump

>>43835753
it was also just her getting anxious as fuck about getting dropped because of past experiences, but numberfags think everyone else is also secretly a numberfag, it's how they justify their mental illness.

I understand not liking her voice or other things about her but to have a victim complex when her fans push back stupid rrats from 2020 makes you borderline pathetic. Hating and dedication to anti-ing does make you pathetic.

>>43825336
Anon you know that isn't fair. Kiara hasn't broke 50,000 live viewers on her channel since May of 2021.

>>43835330
didn't she also gimp herself trying to unityfag with chuubas outside of Holo? considering how tribalistic people can be?

>>43828394
>Ame's bed....

>>43817374
Dude it's was Saturday noon in Japan this is just really sad cope.

>>43841281
Ame's house has to be the Neverland Ranch of Myth.
>Ina sniffing Bubba's piss off the carpet driving her Korean senses wild
>Gura pissing in Ame's bed driving Ame wild
>Mori in the heart of west coast rap
>Kiara chilling with the real KFP at Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles
I'd be real surprised if they didn't get together there again.

>>43810222
Kanauru's 3D "live" was worse. I've been getting tired of his camera work.

>>43818222
Nope she never was. Had it been true then she should of surged ahead but she flopped over. Excuses don't remove the facts that she put litte effort into hololive.

>>43810222
Well atleast she's consistent. She may not have grown but she atleast isn't suffering from mass decline like some of the other girls.

>>43810602
For Kiara, pretty much yeah.

>>43814482
Yep, a large chunk of viewers in places like Gura's or Fauna's stream are those casual groups.
I want to add to the fact that generally Kiara gets more view on her VoD's compared to others with higher CCV than her. A lot of her fans just can't watch during NA work hours so she loses one a few small metrics we can use to determine popularity. On top of that, once people start to come to you, the system's gonna recommend you to others on youtube over your genmate who gets half the amount of engagement. Gura being the face of HoloEN meant that anyone who had a casual interest was going to start there, and her humor/whittyness is pretty good, so people just stuck to her.

Multilingual vtubers only attract fans halfway around the world. Using a different language halfway through is not a buff.

Kiara I know you're watching this thread. Play more Open world RPGs that isn't Zelda. Play Hogwarts Legacy, Skyrim, Witcher etc.

>>43843728
>Hogwarts Legacy
You do know she's a twittertroon right?

>>43843809
Yeah but Pekora played it. So it really comes down to whether she will not play for Twitter points or play because JP did.

>>43843809
>You do know she's a twittertroon right?
>eggs are now claiming she's not a real woman
Now I've seen everything.

>>43826536
Logic-chama....

Wow. I didn't think it was that close. So she has had about the same amount of audience as she did over 8 months ago.

>>43810222
>Amelia Watson
you mean Kanauru? Both in production and motion capture? Watson just takes credit for it all

>>43819516
ok yes but this doesn't really prove your point, people leave streams ... that 5.8k represents max concurrent viewers, not total live viewers at any point, those numbers can still be accurate regardless of the like total assuming people kept leaving and being replaced by other viewers

>>43823405
Holy KFCope!

>>43819959
she gets good viewers on those collabs solely because they're novel and infrequent, kiara's fans don't speak japanese, it's the reason why irys' jp collabs do so poorly, the novelty is lost and her viewers don't actually speak japanese, the more she does that, the less popular it will become