/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

/#/ is reclining

Damm what the hell happened with Boris?
Is he addicted to number. Or did Russia shit fuck him up badly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9Oc6gxJEdI

Too slow, pops

/#/ is perfectly FLAT

>>43413604
I don't know man, not every holomen reads SC.

>>43413705
Ritual-chama...

It's crazy how Watame still has 20k viewers watching her at almost 2am JST

>>43413394
Why did NijiEN lose so many viewers?

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>63,181: Ina (Hololive)
>34,557: Marine (Hololive)
>31,486: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>25,112: Mito (Nijisanji)
>22,709: Watame (Hololive)
>20,901: Hayato (Nijisanji)
>20,736: Mio (Hololive)
>20,723: Pekora (Hololive)
>19,789: Towa (Hololive)
>18,544: Kanata (Hololive)
>18,300: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>16,498: Korone (Hololive)
>15,765: Met (VSPO)
>15,698: Miko (Hololive)
>15,100: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>14,775: Koyori (Hololive)
>14,202: Subaru (Hololive)
>13,872: Shion (Hololive)
>13,073: Sora (Hololive)
>12,980: Finana (Nijisanji)
>12,366: NeruMero (Indie)
>12,327: Moona (Hololive)
>12,145: Chloe (Hololive)
>11,277: Ange (Nijisanji)
>11,275: Lauren (Nijisanji)

>>43413716
He got in dire straits even before the war, dropped the kayfabe and fell from the algo.
Then it stopped being cool to be a slav in the internet, IIRC he reneged his slavs ways one year ago more or less and that didn't go well either

>>43413794

>>43413794
>>43412703
>FEBRUARY 2023 GOLDS
1) Marine (Hololive) - 48,323 - Drawing stream
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,371 - Pebot Minecraft
3) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 102,840* - 5th anniversary stream
4) Pekora (Hololive) - 34,140 - The Karaoke
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 45,516 - Minecraft
6) Marine (Hololive) - 41,228 - The Karaoke
7) Mito (Nijisanji) - 72,930 - Tsukino Mito vs Kenmochi Toya
8) Himawari (Nijisanji) - 57,917 - Honhima king collab
9) Pekora (Hololive) - 28,944 - Hogwarts Legacy
10) Miko (Hololive) - 39,954 - HoloCure new update
11) Gaku (Nijisanji) - 45,052 - Pachinko tournament
12) Mio (Hololive) - 55,820 - SMOK One-Block Minecraft
13) Subaru (Hololive) - 93,949 - Oozora Police 2023
14) Choco (Hololive) - 71,876 - 3D birthday live
15) Toya (Nijisanji) - 38,879 - Hogwarts Legacy
16) Lamy (Hololive) - 54,575 - New outfit reveal
17) Toya (Nijisanji) - 73,934* - Announcement stream
18) Marine (Hololive) - 82,391 - PekoMari mocopi totsumachi
19) Ina (Hololive) - 63,181 - 3D showcase

>PER COMPANY
13x: Hololive
6x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
4x: Pekora
3x: Marine
2x: Toya
1x: Choco, Gaku, Himawari, Ina, Lamy, Miko, Mio, Mito, Nijisanji, Subaru

>2023 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
36x: Hololive
13x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

>PER STREAMER
18x: Pekora
4x: Marine
3x: Toya
2x: Kuzuha, Nijisanji, Subaru, Towa
1x: Choco, Gaku, Himawari, Hololive, Ina, Koyori, Lamy, Miko, Mio, Mito, Nerumero, Nozomi, Polka, Roco, Suisei, Watame, Yashiro

>>43413787
constant dramas and lack of streams
not to mention niji homos don't have monopoly anymore with the introduction of tempus

>>43413716
vtubers? I wasted about two minutes looking through this video because of you anon and I want my wasted time back.

>>43413794

other than ina, i honestly think they made models based on their actual height

>>43413394
>>43413787
>>Gavis sub 3k, Vesper sub 2.5k, Shinri on 1.5k and Flayon on 3 digits
that's ~7k people who could have been watching nijihomos. Also >>43413862

>>43413862
The biggest reason was the chinese audience vanishing.

>>43413866
he's the next holostarsEN

This mentality...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgFR_Z4Ldk

>>43413902

Let's say Youtube did the unthinkable and revamped their UI in a way that made streams more visible on the site and easier to browse, leading to more "neutral" users being exposed to vtubers. Would this be a good or a bad thing?

>>43413913
where? did they get luxiem at home?

>>43413862
I feel Tempus swayed some of the Niji-only fans that's why all niji comebacks have been lukewarm numberwise

>>43413904
>Coco
btw, good thing Gura is small

>>43413676
NEWS ANCHOR
Reply with a short description of the news and a link to the source!

News from last thread:
>Asu&Aru OMLive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ye3wGa9VR0

>>43413907
>that's ~7k people
Anon, they didn't overlap their peaks, where are you getting 7k from?
It is getting increasingly clear that their individual day to day audience is sub 4k even for the stronger ones (Gavis, Magni) and their combined audience around 8k in eventful streams

>>43413922
>EN
>that russki accent
no way

>>43413940

>>43413950
nowhere, they just left

>>43413904
Kiara is shorter than her model but the others are almost right

>>43413913
>>43413957
it's not crazy to think that tempus stole some of their audience

>>43413957
Tempus has saturated the NA timeslots so it was fairly predictable.

>>43413948
UI aside
You late a fucking 2 years anon, thats literally how gura booming in the west

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-DVaH8hOTQ
Oh Uproar did home3D stream too

>>43413974
That's not true tho. Didn't they get 20k on a collab, I forgot which.

>>43413950
>where?
kek, someone posted a very scuffed Vox lookalike model that resembles what Vox would be if he went to prison and started a hunger strike.
Most likely the avenues for them to skirt the firewall and spend money outside it were cut among the measures the chinese government imposed on entertainment last year, and also b2 falling out of love with nijis might have cut their institutional exposure there.

>>43413716
>>43413922
are people just shilling their favorite flesh streamer youtubers here with pretext of "they will apply for HoloPro soon, bro"?

>>43413787
>Luca 7k
I have no idea how anybody watches that fag after all the shit he has pulled. Sisters have no standards.

>>43413913
that KFC collab better be fake then

>>43414064
It was.

>>43414049
That's the idea

>>43414041
Here it is

>>43413957
niji homos are no longer what they used to be so it's inevitable that some of the viewers would check/switch to other groups

>>43414041
>b2 falling out of love with nijis
huh, when did that happened?
don't they have virtuareal there?

>>43413794

>>43414108
Anon, Virtuareal is kill...

>>43414049
not me, i was just joking

>>43414049
yes, I'm still waiting for my kamioshi Tom Scott to debut

>>43413787
Niji's biggest hitters are toxic, unfortunately.

>>43414108
they sold their anycolor stock while it was worth something

>>43413716
JOIN HOLOSTARS BORIS
YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO

Why is DJT a hololive thread now

Ina is the first EN gold this year right?

https://youtu.be/rSxWa1IInyw
Some interesting things in here
>Dude has a friend who worked for a game studio that have collabed with Cover, he said that they are pretty good to work with and are more than happy to work again with them in the future
>Nijisanji pays an average of 4.5M, Cover 5.1M for their staff per year.
>Cover needed 4x the amount of staff per talent compared to anycolor to support their activities and other businesses
>Cover's profit margin will be significantly lower compared to Anycolor as long HoloEarth is still on development (2024 planned for release)
>Pointed out Cover is doing an IPO for Studio development and merchs supply chain development
>Cover's shareholders will be locked from selling for 180 days (expect a similar price dive as ANYCOLOR's)
>Felt that Cover didn't need to do an IPO for their goals based on their current financials
>Cover listing 5x more shares (in percentage) than Anycolor means more secondary market buyer can have the chance to own, -> less market manipulation
>Initial survey among early investors predicts the price will close at 2130 yen at IPO/first day. 3x from Cover's initial IPO price
>Conclusion: as long as HoloEarth isn't a complete disaster, it will have better market gains than anycolor considering there are a lot of things that can be easily/reliably made more efficient in Cover's operations such as supply chains and cost per talents.

>>43414012
>Tempus has saturated the NA timeslots
No they didn't?
Here are their streams from yesterday (in red) vs Nijien (in green).
https://vrabi.net/labo/progress/2023-02-19

They're absolute midgets even in comparison with NIjiEN

>>43414130
NTA, but really? What happened to all the invilved chuubas?

Just got back from a trip, aren't the numbers kinda grim? Ina's 3d, King's apex with hikakin, arine's karaoke, and pekomiko's hl.

>>43413794
Mito in the Guraplacement?

>>43414093
kek, WHO TOOK VOX TO AUSWITZ!?

>>43414218
no

>>43414023
none of them bugged, is it because their 3d models are recently made?

>>43413794

GRIM

>>43414108
Where have you been, anon? B2 definitely knows something we don't otherwise why would they sell all of their shares.

>>43414190
Those manufactured streaming hours.... Tempusbros its over

>>43414182
>Dude has a friend who worked for a game stud
kek, is this an elaborate version of "my Dad works at Nintendo"?

>>43414139
Imagine gordon fucking ramsay in tempus?

>>43413980

>>43414190
Don't bother replying numberbro. He's samefagging and baiting for a reply. He does this everyday, you'll get called a nijinigger no matter what you say kek

>>43413794

>>43414259
Pretty much

>>43414199
Mostly inactive iirc
they got paid shit by b2 after all
not the mention the giga yabs that I seems to forgot

>>43414190
and now imagine the numbers nijiEN would be making if Tempus didn't exist

>>43414218
Not really, all par for the course for February. For some reason every year February and March are a downward slump for both JP branches.
In Holo's case I assume they reduce their high effort high performance activities because of HoloFes.

>>43414269

>>43414182
>2.4k views
>76 likes
is this you anon?

>>43414290
Imagine the numbers holoEN would be making if tempiss didn't exist

>>43414053
Sunk cost

>>43413716
Oh it's my nigga Boris glad to see him alive, btw where's Anatoli

WHERE THE FUCK IS LAP+?

The chat stats for Mori’s JP only stream

>>43414306
anon if I could read japanese well enough to digest a financial report do you think I'd waste my time shitposting on this indonesian rice milling forum?

>>43414297

>>43414310
Imagine the numbers holoEN would be making if there were enough members to stream while they were doing reps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxhjvk8Anp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxhjvk8Anp4
IRyS????????????????

>>43414326
waiting for holox release in holocure

>>43414310
You're saying Tempus took HoloEN audience?

To this day I still laugh at the big drama of NYOO LET MY PEOPLE COLLAB between NijiEN/HoloEN fans only for it to turn out that most of them don't want to collab with each other at all. Not even homos.

>>43414326
my bed

>>43414093
>we have vox at home

>>43414335
35p and nousagis are the biggest JP fanbases, not surprising they'd be highest

>>43414255
never really paid attention to nijinews, especially the chink one

>>43414049
DemoD can be saved

>>43414341

>>43414335
>first army and koyo
that makes sense I guess

>>43414190
Wasn't this because of an outfit unveiling so some people went there while waiting for Ina's 3D?

>>43413957
Chinese fujos abandoned Luxiem for homegrown manwhores.

>>43414358
>took
Repelled, more like.

>>43414352
Jesus how many years has this woman been playing RE7 for

>>43414347
Exactly. What could have been.

>>43414338
actually yes, if you were desperate youtuber I would believe you would try to shill yourself here

>>43414335
so she's basically tapping into the holobox audience

>>43413794

>>43414387

>>43414287
>they got paid shit by b2
If by shit you mean
>Nothing at all
Seriously, Anycolor and B2 is a match made in heaven, black companies both of them

>>43414294
While it is true that holo reduces high performance activities for hoofes, the streams today just get lower numbers than their counterparts at other time. A 30k marine karaoke is weird, not to mention peko barely scrapping 20k while miko is 15k

>>43414426
so you're saying that I'm well verse enough in japanese to make an entire video in japanese and shill it on this english speaking board, but not skilled enough in english to do subtitles for it?

>>43414438

>>43414182
Cover does spend too much money on the talents. I assume that he is referring to all the managers they have and not their actual earnings. No way in hell Cover could get away with drastically slashing the talents' earnings.

>>43414418
Talking about repelling, how many of the holos got record low floor yesterday during that tournament?

>>43414182
How much is the initial IPO price?
It's literally a money printer until the 6 month unlock

>>43414421
I would not be surprised if Watame finished the game before her.

>>43414408
I also some of them shilling Tempus which is quite funny

>>43414259
It's a pretty dry look at financials for what is supposed to be an outrageous made up story according to you. If he wanted to lie wouldn't he make it more outlandish?

>overlapping

>>43414478
The initial price is 710 yen

>>43414418
This is such a lame cope.
The gradual decline of HoloEN is due to themselves.
You're saying Tempus repelled KFP or Takodachis?

>>43414471

>>43413716
Why are euros like this?

>>43414487
anon that's not an overlap that's a funnel, something we've been asking EN to do for almost 2 years now

>>43414469
Well you are posting on /#/ so it's given that you are retarded, so yes.

>>43414421
Isn't RE7 like a six hour long game?

>>43414528
well screw you too anon

>>43414487
incoming 5k fauna stream lol

>>43414507
Go back homofag

>>43414517

>>43414358
There's more commonality between Tempus and Niji's fans I believe

>>43414497
Damn I ought to be buying.

>>43414352
Yup. RIP winning streak unless one of myth streams

>>43414259
in Japan is not that hard, like saying a 2view vtuber has a friend who is the top vtuber singer

>>43414352
I'm just happy that this is probably her last RE7 stream. I don't care what the reviews are; that game is overrated and only got its praise because of how disappointing RE5, RE6 and the shitty spin-offs were.

Guess whose stream this is.
This is easy mode.

>>43414507
They need to be gotten rid of, they're numbers poison
Your cope is delicious

>>43414563
What do the chat overlap numbers say on recent streams?

>>43414562

>>43414598
Kari-chan kawaii

>>43414476
Dunno, but oboretai seems to have gotten something new to clip

>>43414559
You don't belong here newfag, go back to >>>/hlgg/

>>43414403
>Wasn't this because of an outfit unveiling so some people went there while waiting for Ina's 3D?
Here is the day before.

Pick a day, any day and it'll be the same.

>>43414036
No, absolutely never did homos clear 20k by themselves, collab or not. Maybe literally on debut day for Tempiss1

>>43414507
yes, they did potentionally irreparable damage to the community and aided in the downfall of certain members viewership. not even considering the loss of no en3

>>43414389
>Kanata

>>43413794

>>43414598
I mean...

>>43414598

>>43414598
>[En] [Tl] Calli

>>43414603
Niji homos and Tempus share a lot of viewers

>>43414598
kari-chan kakkoii

>>43413794

>>43413969
Does this count as /news/? Suisei came back from her break. https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1627287944699740162?s=20

Now that some of the financials are out in the open it seems like being a holo is very lucrative. Will this inspire more talented people to try and join hololive? We know that only about 5k people apply to be in hololive.

>>43413957
Chinese fujos leaving NijiEN and people are getting sick and tired of them always having drama. The initial reason people got into vtubers in the west was because it was an escape from that shit.

>>43414598
>かわいい
>カリちゃん
What are they smoking in Japan

>>43414524
That's not a fucking funnel because people are not going to leave streams just because another one started unless they're a fan of the other person. They have to END for there to be a funnel, this isn't JP

>>43414657
Post the numbers fag

>>43414648
i didn't see her

>>43414626
Why do you keep lying to yourself, sister?
Regis already had like a 10k solo karaoke stream

>>43414634
>not even considering the loss of no en3
>loss of no en3
Go back flip-chama.

>>43414605

>>43414563
>livers
>wave
You don't say? Their fanbase is practically glowing with the usual nijiterms

>>43414497
How many shares are they releasing to the market?

>>43414680
anon this is exactly the same thing holoJP has been doing, specifically gen3 and everyone praised it back when they did it, now shut the fuck up about overlap you dunce

>>43414487
>6am stream
Odds of Ame sleeping through it?

>>43414668
Dunno, not mindreader.
Who do you fags is best as managing their money? I think Mio, Flare and Noel.

>>43413787
Bots and view farms became sentient and refused to watch nijitrash anymore

It can be argued that Tempus hurt HoloEN's numbers.
But were they also able to hurt NijiEN's mindchair?

>>43414715
Who are you quoting anon?

>>43414713

>>43414734
Extremely high my oshi is a fucking retard

>>43414734
She jwu a few hours ago

>>43414737
think is best*

>>43414751
No

>>43414751
>Offkai has more furnitures this year
There's no way, NijiEN mindchairs is the best

>>43414751
>It can be argued that Tempus hurt HoloEN's numbers
The graphs don't show that though?

>>43414753

>>43414712
?

>>43414457
>not to mention peko barely scrapping 20k while miko is 15k
Both with Hogwarts, a game with a massive drop in audience after the sorting hat.

In that same day Sora beat 13k, Towa almost 20k and Mio over 20k all with Holocure, Kanata 18k and Watame 22k with Minecraft.
This is the period of the year where the ceiling for the heavy hitters drop due to choice of content, but for the mid and low level their numbers can rise if they're smart in their picks

We're still a blue board right?

>>43414794

>>43414622

>>43414825
Sadly yes

>>43414825
meidos are asleep

>>43414715
which strongly supports the conjecture that fans of some niji homos left them for tempus

>>43414668
If anything Lapu's failure has likely made the auditions harder for all future applicants. Cover doesn't want Hololive to be a revolving door for people looking to boost their income and eceleb status.

>>43414836
Sir this is a blue board

>>43414668
>only about 5k people apply to be in hololive.
Are you even listening to yourself? 5k people applying for 10 open positions a year AT BEST is a massive number

>>43414832

>>43414840
the day the holo I don't think is sexy wins gold...

>>43414622
Wasn't that the return stream? Hardly your normal day-to-day NijiEN streams

HAHAHAHAHHA THE HOLOEN STREAK DIES TODAY

>>43414857
Did Yagoo told you that in your dream anon?

>>43414845

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HESjR-2TuEc

>>43414836
KEK

>>43414865

>>43414711
This is quite pathetic shitposting anon. Tempus has to pull herculean efforts to get 10k nowadays and they've never been able to get 20k, that's debut tier numbers.

can irys stick to a motherfucking timeslot

>>43414668
why would you think a prospective holo recruit will have seen the discussion in this thread?

>>43414768
How much sleep did get though she has a tendency to wake up after not enough sleep then napping like an hour before a stream

Oh god the Tempiss shill is here again. No matter how hard you spam this crap every single fucking piece of data suggests that Tempiss had nothing to do with NijiEN's recline and that they were a massive failure that brought HoloEN to its lowest point.
NijiEN started reclining around October/November and have been on a nonstop fall ever since, Tempiss also had their absolute peak during their debut months and then kept bleeding nonstop afterwards. A new gen debuting did absolutely fucking nothing to expand their box which at this point might be 4-5k people if we're being generous. How the fuck did they manage to steal any viewers if they are reclining you mongoloid?

>>43414879
Your faggotry disgusts me

>>43414668
>it seems like being a holo is very lucrative
Is this supposed to be some new revelation?

>>43414884
Clue me in anon, who's going to end it?

>>43414577
Does NijiEN have some special stream today?
Because Fauna Hitman got 8.6k last week and without buff content, I'm not sure if any NijiEN chuuba can get above 7-8k reliably.

>>43414912

>>43414836
kek!
There is this thing in psychology where you are shown a picture. I forgot what it is called.

>>43414845
Who do you think from Niji En got affected the most?

There is no evidence of movement from nijiCN to Tempiss.

>>43414936
>ina with tits
you're more disgusting

>>43414864
There are 20k vtubers
At least half of those are females
At least half of those females applied to Hololive.

That number may grow.

>>43414936
Aye maybe but im not into artists and lewds require putting the talents personality in

>>43414958

who are left on 3d?

>>43415000
>tits
Those are takos anon, Ina stuffed them in her bra.

>>43414955
Fauna wasn't overlapped by Ame and then IRyS after, she'll be lucky to get 6k this week

>>43414945
Doppio Karaoke or Scarle birthday stream

>>43414751
No, they were not. I mean by this logic NijiEN literally reaped a fuckton more holofags than Tempus ever did nijiEN fags.

Please stop trying to make "w-we totally destroyed the nijiniggers by having low tier NijiEN viewership ourselves" happen sisters, it won't make the holofags stop seeing your branch as a blight that destroyed HoloEN.

You think you're arguing with nijiniggers when you get pushback on this. You're not. You're arguing with holofags who will not let you lie to justify the deathblow that is tempiss/tempoop to HoloEN behind "w-we magging NijiEN! see, we're allies!"

>>43414974
Maybe because you're reading the graph wrong? That graph shows trends, not fan overlaps. Retard.

>>43414881
Every day NijiEN finds something. They are always "returning", always celebrating, always having unarchived karaokes.
There won't be a single day where people won't be able to say "they're having just normal streams", that's their thing, they make things up to pretend the stream is special.

>>43415047
Who the fuck cares about Scarle besides her paypigs

>>43415047
7k and 8k give or take.
Scarle would be swimming in SC tho

>>43415061
If Tempiss was "stealing fans" their numbers would be going up. It's not.

>>43414967
vox definitely lost some of his fans to tempus.
he tried some brotuber content before he went on a vacation because of the doxx

>>43415003
>At least half of those are females
I know you said "at least" to play it safe, but I'm pretty sure females are probably around the 75-80%

>>43415090
i really don't know why she got gachis

>>43415108
Tempus could've lost some of their tourist and also gained some NijiEN viewership anon, have you ever thought about that?

>>43414934
>Early tempus was literally their peak
>this was months ago
>since then NijiEN and HomoEN have reclined, but nijiEN more heavily (they had a lot more to fall)
where are these stolen NijiEN viewers anyway. why can't they prop homoEN to noctyx tier at least? don't see HomoEN casually getting 5-6k solos like Uki could

>>43415043
Ame and IRyS are both streaming debuff content. It won’t affect Fauna that much.

>>43414974
this is a moving mean graph
what's your point?

>>43415071
I mean funny because the recent homo performances of a whopping 4k were Magni/Bettle spamming 4 person + collabs on their POV.

>>43415152
The same reason any NijiEN female got theirs, they're the boys accessories

>>43415047
they not gonna make it if tempus overlaps them

Why the fuck is amelia playing part 3 of a game in a different timeslot than part 2? Part 1 and 2 being different was fine because timezone changes but holy fuck what is this shit

>>43415178
And this will be her 5th time playing Hitman terribly. It's not some buff content

>>43415170
Post the numbers or shut the fuck up.

>>43415170
>uh akshually all of Tempus's original audience reclined into the ground and was replaced by NijiEN
Are you trying to argue in good faith at least?

I am just asking if Tempus was able to hurt NijiEN's mindchair, not that they stole NijiEN's fanbase. Those are different. Only Shoto is capable of stealing the sisters.

>>43415234
Anon Amelia could not give less of a shit about timezones and accommodating her fans

>>43414671
They find Ryme from Pokemon kakkoi

>>43415234
She is in Taiwan

>>43415251
The number is right there retard, your conjecture is dumb because you refused to consider the possibility of any NijiEN fanbase moving to another chuubas including Tempus.

>>43414668
>Only 5k people apply
Source?
And any aspiring vtubers who havnt tried for hololive is unironically retarded

>>43415203
Oh, was that the day when Mysterio also played the same game LoL and got much less?

>>43415269
>Some
>All
Aren't you the one doing the bad faith here?

>>43415299
>I am just asking if Tempus was able to hurt NijiEN's mindchair, not that they stole NijiEN's fanbase
The answer is "yes" because you haven't quantified how much damage it did. I mean every new corp does some mindchair damage to HoloEN for example. Even Vshojo/NijiEN/Phase blah blah stole *some* fans from them. Did they still enough? That we don't know.This is literally an impossible question to answer.

>>43414671
nijiseethe

>>43414593
She'll play the dlc

>>43415269
nta but that's certainly a possibility.
>all of Tempus's original audience reclined into the ground
i think you're the one who's being disingenuous here when tempus has consistently mogged nijien last week

>>43415269
For every niji fan Tempus steals 3 Tempus fans leave. It's just that simple, anon.

>>43414182
so this is the power of hololive

>>43415321
>>43415400
You can track the nijiEN/Tempiss chat overlap for example with vrabi over the past 6 months. You'd see at least some evidence of your assertion.

>>43415411
and we have to put up with a sister in our fanbase

>>43414668
Getting into hololive is literally making it. I bet most of the niji girls are trying to apply to hololive, hence the stipulation about not being affiliated to another company when applying

>>43415340
funny how these homos are struggling to keep up with bettel, a guy with a tenth of their subs

>>43415366
No, that's still you and your agenda to claim things you can't back up with numbers so daddy holochad loves you and stops beating you with a belt for ruining their household.
>>43415340
Was that a single POV? Anyway I don't see how NijiEN doing dogshit on some day means anything about 4k being a collab for Tempus. Are we just pretending NijiEN top tiers don't have a much higher ceiling/median/average now? Tempus does btfo iflop/xsoleil but you insist instead on cherry picking when you beat the big dogs with a single big stream.

>>43414895
Those screams are terrifying

>>43415463
>hence the stipulation
That's not exclusive to HoloPro anon.

>>43415501
They just added it this time, meaning they were probably bombarded with applicants belonging to different corpos trying to win the vtuber lotto

JWU and saw the Ame fallout stream. How the fuck is she streaming earlier while in Japan than she did while in NA? I swear her sleep schedule makes no sense. So she's waking up earlier in Japan to stream earlier now? I guess they probably have a lot of stuff planned for the actual day.

>>43415476
>Agenda
You talk like a discord sister, faggot.

I will celebrate the day when nijiEN and Tempus are both no longer a thing. The two worse group of streamers and the two worse fanbases /here/

>>43415143
There are a ton on 0view male indies. Also would don't know how many of the males ever apply to be Stars. I don't know if 90% of female vtubers who don't mind dancing apply to hololive but I think they will know.

Speaking of Tempus, here is their
>30 DAYS MEDIAN OF PEAKS AND TRUE AVERAGE
chart.
They just beat their all time low mark yesterday, with a 1597 average. Their first time below 1.6k too.

With Magni and Gavis holding their heads above water around the 3k mark the trend is likely to continue in the downward slope because it's not feasible to hold the branch numbers up with only two people swimming up

>>43415340
Did he stream on CN primetime? lol

>>43413859
>Hololive managed to triple Nijisanji last month
>Projections show that they will only manage to double them this month
Reclining...

>>43415400
>i think you're the one who's being disingenuous here when tempus has consistently mogged nijien last week
They really haven't. You just keep repeating this because you saw some cherry picked screenshots. Anons keep showing you medians and averages and you go LALALAL DOESN'T COUNT.
This is exactly the sort of shit nijiniggers pull on holofags to pretend NijiEN>HoloEN so who knows maybe indeed, you are a stolen NijiEN fan for tempiss.

>>43415587
This is despite all the raids to spike their peaks right?

>>43415556
Kys /mans/troon, don't try to call others a cause supporter to deflect
Agenda is what discord troons like you have

>>43415616
Anon, the median for the month of Feb shows Tempus beating NijiEN tho.
Anyone has that chart?

>>43415587

>>43415587
>steal nijiEN fans
>they watch for 10 minutes
>remember they're not watching hololive and leave
oh no

>>43415551
The stipulation is that if you are affiliated with other agency, chuuba or otherwise, and you got accepted into Holo, then you have to pick one and if you're terminating your other gig Cover couldn't be hold liable to that i.e allegation of poaching.

>>43414974
Is there any explanation for the HoloEN dip in February? I thought they were inclining or staying steady since their lull in December.
Maybe Ina's 3D showcase will push it back up a bit.

>>43415587
Truly remarkable

>>43414182
Accompanying blog post: https://note.com/asahikokura0805/n/n72b371a9182c

Another interesting tidbit here is that it claims that Cover has spent ¥670m ($5m) on HoloEarth so far
Assuming it's on track for 2024 release (likely a beta) and they continue ramping up, I can see this costing a total of $15m or so, and incurring further costs as a live service
It's not quite AAA game dev costs, but still pretty substantial

>>43415639
Both the median and the average charts are in the same picture.
When the median and the average are tracking this close it means their peaks are not too inflated in relation to their average numbers.

Compare with the difference in September and October, when they were getting some disproportionately high stream peaks for their averages (a mix of raids and high profile collabs).
That's why using a 30 days rolling is interesting, it smooths out even the day to day cosmetic raids.

>>43415587
Kronii Mori Ame anyone.... TASUKETE

>>43415337
NTA but the source should be Subaru who said that for gen 5 the ratio was 1:1200. I forgot which stream but it should be one of those stream where she talked about the audition process.

>>43415669
>Oh noo, what a sinister "agenda".
Christ, the fucking state of this board after the doxxsite's closing.

>>43415616
>>43415672 (me)
You're confusing that 30 day moving average as their median/mean for the month.
Stop being a nijinigger for once please since this is a numbers thread afterall

>>43415017

>>43415639
Yes

>>43415672
And this chart shows them declining more and more >>43415587

Again nigger how are you absorbing NijiEN fans if you're reaching all time fucking lows? Are you retarded? You've degenerated into arguing Tempiss' fanbase is leaving and being replaced with NijiEN immigrants who can't even hold their own previous viewership line. Not only is that stupid, but it's a bad thing for Tempiss if it were true, nijinigger audience replacing theirs at a lower rate than old audience is leaving means you now have more fickle nijiniggers than old fans. Is that your belief?

>>43415767
>1:1200
It's probably up to 1:1500 by now. Gen 5 was selected right before the boom went mega.

>>43415672
Honestly, these weeks so far, most streams are from iMoon and xSun, and we know they are the runts of their branch. T3MPUS beating NijiEN won't be a surprise then. Even the reclining Losiem can easily mog most of the T3MPUS streams.

https://twitter.com/anyamelfissa/status/1627358438429978624?t=yIkt-_FAXOnP8QLz51UxrQ&s=19

Have any Anya info been doxx before?or Kiara will be the one doxxing it[ネタバレ]it Kiara The Big Mouth after all

>>43415806
The nijinigger replacement theory...

>>43415337
>And any aspiring vtubers who havnt tried for hololive is unironically retarded
Not everyone wants to sing, dance and carry themselves like an idol.

>>43415728
the 'incline' of January was the lowest number girls not streaming that much and a bunch of off collab span, this is just a return to the usual

>>43415771
Is this the lowest nijiENs been since post ethyria - pre luxiem ?

>>43415587
It's funny but it's also fucking gross.
I want to be proud of Hololive numbers.
Why is Cover retarded?

>>43415773

>>43415843
Nui....

>>43415771
so niji en and tempus have practically the same numbers but it doesn't change that nijis got bested in the median metric

>>43415757
that's insane amount when comparing to what we have seen of it so far. Cover seems to have very high expectations of HoloEarth if they are ever looking to make profit of it,

>>43415587
Damn those stolen fans sure are putting up the work!

N-No... they totally aren't just a group of shitters that shouldn't have been made and delay HoloEN generations while causing unnecesary drama.

>>43415587
BY POPULAR DEMAND
No wonder shota is leeching in Ina's chat, dude can barely break 500 viewers at this point let alone into 4view status.

>>43415864

>>43415863
The future NijiJP graduate

>>43415587
The absolute state.

>>43415768
Alright troon if you're just gonna insist I'm a nijinigger than you can stop replying.
Hope tempiss and your entire nijibranch go offpako and blow up together. The gory way, not the "blow up in popularity" kind.

>>43415831
This is the most retarded way i have ever seen someone fuck up a spoiler tag

>>43415916

>>43415831
try learning English before posting here anon

>>43415587
Niji EN is actually losing to Tempus >>43415771
Also moving average is good for checking trends.

Despite playing a little too much genshin, I think Ema is my favourite VSPO. Her numbers have been really good so far this month too, subs and CCV.

>>43415930
Why are you still replying to me fag? Go ask your daddy Vox to punish you with his 8 inch dick, I'm not interested in your crabby pussy

>>43415952

>>43415757
>Another interesting tidbit here is that it claims that Cover has spent ¥670m ($5m) on HoloEarth so far
>Assuming it's on track for 2024 release (likely a beta) and they continue ramping up, I can see this costing a total of $15m
You are extrapolating what he says by much.
>「ホロアース」は2024年度にリリース予定ということで、あと2年くらいは5億~7億円くらいの開発費用が掛かることになりそうです。
Roughly
>Holoearth, due to be released in 2024, meaning it might cost 500M to 700M yen to develop for another two years or so
He's expecting it to match the current expenditure for another year, not triple.

>>43415724
>Not currently affiliated with an entertainment agency, label, or other similar agency; or, if currently affiliated with such agency, should be able to end or terminate their contract at their own risk once they pass the audition.
They are looking for those who are not affiliated to any corpo.
If for some reason they picked a candidate affiliated to a corpo, covver won't be liable for the damages that person incurs for breaching the contract. So effectively, they won't be hiring anyone whose contract has not expired because they won't be paying the buyout clause

>>43415871
Just the concert portion will make it recoup its costs at some point.

>>43415980
>bus pop!
kek

>>43415895
all the stars will show up in the 3D streams to leech mark my words

>>43415757
kek

>>43415831
Is Anya even more cunny than Kobo?

there are a lot of words

>>43415843
Well, to be fair they don't even need to do it. Everybody does it because it's what they and their fans want but the only obligatory event is Holofes in which they can just sing one song and move a bit like Ina last year, dancing isn't even required

>>43415871
If they can run concerts with monetization off it rather than things like VARK you have your answer.

>>43415757
I really, really fear Cover killing itself with HoloEarth.

>>43416015
>recoup
the question is that was it spent correctly. Hololive could make a ton of profit of any concert, does HoloEarth really generate that much profit to justify the development cost compared to spending the same amount elsewhere?

>Ina got a gold before Gura

>>43415771
How come Niji En lost to Tempus and Holo ID here?

>>43416004
This makes more sense
And the good thing about holoEarth is that cover doesn't need to spend a dime in marketing, which lowers the costs substantially compared to other game devs

>all that budget and production value for the holoX hologras
>this is what Ina gest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1N_MbbkBiU

Man...

>>43416010
The key point here is
>Once they pass audition
It's literally there to protect Cover, if any contract breaching accident should occur there's no reason why Cover would reject the accepted applicant.
Saying that stipulation means Cover won't be hiring anyone with "live" contract is stupid to say the least because
>It cost Cover nothing because they have to pay any penalty on their own
>Any monetary penalty is arguably chump change compared to the lucrative Cover contract

>>43416145
Most took a break and the ones remained are mostly shitters.

>>43416145
Chinese fans only count for 3/5 of a viewer, they truly are the black people of Asia

>>43416131
Atm no. But if the reaction here with JOPs is any guess, the live performances if paywalled will be a good money maker in the future.
They should still scrape whatever mmorpg bullshit they have planned for it though.

>>43416049
She's ex office lady like Marine

>>43416131
>the question is that was it spent correctly
It was. Not only all the current fans will play the game, other clipwatchers would try it as well and maybe get current non holo fans into hololive.

i'm genuinely considering buying Cover stock, but i'm terrified of the general japanese economic situation
i can lose ~5k without too much consequence or regret, but i wonder if putting serious money into something i consider just an hobby would ruin my enjoyment of it

Okay, numbersages, how would you attract more women into watching livestream content? This is a problem for everyone in the industry, be it facecammers, vtubers, esports, niche categories etc. Streamwatching simply isn't a female activity, the male to female ratio of viewers is extremely uneven and female viewers are an insignificant demographic in absolute terms.

>>43416145
people here actually misusing the moving average graph as anything but an indicator to trend direction
i don't watch tempus but it's quite clear that they have beaten niji en countless of times this month and this chart clearly shows it

I cant believe EN3 in June 2023 anon ended up being right... Was he a real cover spy

>>43416313
Why would we want more women watching streams?

>>43415757
>It's not quite AAA game dev costs
It's tiny compared to real AAA. The new Saint's Row cost 100 million for comparison and that was a mid tier release. Blows my mind when I remember Kojima got "fired" for supposedly spending 80 million on mgs5.

>>43416262
The "mmorpg" part is just side project anon, it's literally an asset flip, survival-crafting game that plagues Steam.
it cost literally next to nothing.

>>43416292
Don't worry about it, you can't buy it

>>43416145
Cause half of them fucked off in one of their worst possible months ever, and they also reclined into the ground with yab after yab.
Still pathetic to lose to Tempus but "stolen" they weren't since then their numbers would have boosted Tempus even higher.

>>43416292
I you like the company, don't use it to make money because your emotions, not rationality, will influence your decision-making, or something like that. I read that somewhere.

>>43416313
What benefit is there to gain from more women watching streams?

OK # I need your expertize for this matter, we keep talking about this and that about HoloEarth but the most important question
>what is HoloEarth?
>who can use it?
>how will it generate money for Cover?
>potential market for it?
>how their progress so far?
I probably will invest or not..

>>43416145
nijiEN talents who get good numbers are on break. Imagine if Magni and the new homo went on break for a few weeks. Tempiss numbers would crater.

>>43416373
why not?

>>43414182
>Conclusion: as long as HoloEarth isn't a complete disaster, it will have better market gains than anycolor
and it will. look at how slow the development goes and in the last stream you can see they're still using premade asset from unity store

>>43416288
I'm not going to spend any money in watching concerts in HoloEarth, Do you really believe hundreds of thousands of people are going to spend money in it to watch Holo content? Yagoo certainly seems to think so.

My cute daughter

>>43416292
If you're a burger or eurofag, this is literally your best chance while yen is down in the dump.
If you're scared by a little economic downturn then you shouldn't buy "hot" stocks in the first place and stick to ol' reliables.

>>43416221
>Any monetary penalty is arguably chump change
Maybe for a top niji talent and those don't really have a reason to change companies. The bottom of the barrel nijis? Good luck with that

>>43416460
we love your cute daughter here

>>43416453
Do nijinigs really?

>>43416452
Dirty gaijins can't invest in the Japan stock market

>>43416313
We don't. As NijiCN proved, female viewers are fickle, trend-hopping retards who are rabid, cause unnecessary drama, and will turn against you and abandon you the moment you stop being "the new thing". They are a blight on the industry and you can never expect to make anything more than immediate short-term gains from them.

>>43416458
>I'm not going to spend any money
Well, you are a poorfag
>Do you really believe hundreds of thousands of people are going to spend money in it to watch Holo content? Yagoo certainly seems to think so.
Is Holofes free?

>>43416292
There's a 180 day ban and the fact that there are more shares available means it's much more impervious to sudden fluctuations. Also the latest valuation indicates that it would cost 3x more compared to Cover's initial IPO estimates.

>>43416438
Imagine if Pomu Selen and Enna all took the first 3 weeks of feb off like everyone else. The numbers would be even more grim

>>43416458
Maybe not hundreds of thousands, but thousands, tens of thousands will pay to see their oshi.

>>43416467
Compared to what they would earn from being a Hololive chuuba I mean anon, so it's be better to just eat the penalty.
There's no way those penalty would be bankrupt-inducing in the first place unless you're signed to major labels or something

>>43416262
The whole point is that Cover is trying to build a Hololive ecosystem so fans are always doing something Hololive related. No streams from your oshi? Play the game! Oh look, your oshi is posting on the holoplus app!

>>43416521
Holofes has nothing to do with HoloEarth, that is one alternative thing they could spend money instead. You think all those people are going to install HoloEarth on their computer and spend money on it?

>>43416001

What are you even supposed to DO in Holoearth?

>>43416004
Hmm, it's the "2 year" part that's confusing to me - I was interpreting that to mean its development time so far has been about 2 years
Because I find 2 years going from scratch to (beta) release for something of holoEarth's scope as, well, unrealistic
And given what I know about game dev, and how costs massively ramp up prior to release, much of which is for marketing, I extrapolated that $15m
But if they really are planning to release after just 2 years of development even as a beta...call me skeptical

>>43416607
The people paying for holofes? Yes.
All of them? No
Alot of them? Yes

I haven't been reading posts, I'm rewatching Pekora's 3D live.
Nijiseethe?

>>43416458
I take it you're not the live concert type of person then?
If the ticket price is comparable to sololive/ in-person concert, I think I would rather just attend the VR one.

>>43416351
If they weren't being going public sure they can waste money on another EN wave instead of a JP one. But any investor with functioning braincells knows that JP is the money maker and the EN market went bust late 2021. Any resources made for EN3 will just used for JP7.

>>43416607
>You think all those people are going to install HoloEarth on their computer and spend money on it?
I think the japs are, you understimate their consoomership.

I don't know about EOPs though and as we've seen from their financial reports, they're not a market Yagoo would ever want to ignore.

>>43416559
Where would you get the money in the first place? If you are a Reine, good. If you are a Risu, good luck looking for anyone who will lend you money.
And we are not talking about the controversy that will certainly occur.

>>43416654
>wave

>>43416628
spend money to make Cover recoup their development costs.

>>43416632 (me)
and I also realize know that they actually don't really need much of a marketing budget, given the holos themselves

Mori will have Kson as a guest for her live.

>>43416654
>wave
Why are you people like this

>>43416607
Yes.
I'd be able to save money from flights and accommodation.

I just wanna visit an overpriced overcrowded HoloLand resort park and stand in lines for 10 hours for a 3 minute rides.

>>43416511
i'm sure there are ways and intermediaries you can go through

>>43416614

>>43416292
Don't invest in things you enjoy. You can't make objective decisions about the value of your investment, plus if it goes down and you lose money you will end up liking the thing less
If you're a casual retail investor literally just open a vanguard account

>>43413902
is this AI made?

>>43416722
Well, there are ways to avoid the ban, but they are not completely reliable, get huge comissions and most of them only allow you to buy the most important stocks, Anycolor and Cover are out of the equation

wasn't HoloEarth some Genshin clone with building. open world and stuff? What does it have to do with concerts?

>>43416750
no way

>>43416727

>>43416313
women don't have hobbies, this was proven long ago since the start of the era of watching sports

>>43416750
No, just bad proportions

>>43416750
scuffed but not AI scuffed

>>43416768
The video game part is basically just there to kill time in between using it for its actual purpose, hosting concerts
They already did one with AZKi and Mori to test it

>>43416792

>>43416768
not really

>>43416568
if they really wanted they they should've gone for a bandori styled gacha game instead of this

>>43416691
Marketing is a huge part of the budget and they save a lot of money due to already having an established fanbase. Generally around 30-50% of the cost of a major game is just marketing.

>>43416750
Honkivampy i think was the artist. Hes..... Meh his faces and anatomy need quite a bit of work.

>>43416681
I assume you could negotiate for installment instead of lump sump, maybe?
If things got really dire you could always just declare bankruptcy, sure it'll fuck up your credit score and maybe you'd lose your car or something but hey, you're literally guaranteed millionaire in the years to come.

FauFau today?