/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>his oshi isn't the most powerful S tier character
couldn't be me

>>43329565
It feels fucking criminal to play as her. I swear to god you could give her the most retarded build you can think of and it'd still work out fine.

>>43329069
If Holocure is so good, why isn't there a Holocure 2?

Does Aqua stamp still give the boost if I grab the weapon limit in the store, or do I have to buy rerolls and eliminates? I want to try one weapon runs, they seem fun.

>>43329565
How do I make hard 2? I've tried going bocchi mumei twice but died at 15mins with no solo stamp

>>43332524
it does, that's 50% of the reason IRyS and Mumei are so busted
also it feels the less weapons you have the more likely the Akukin stamp is to drop, but that might be just an impression over less than 10 runs

>>43332621
Build more defensively if you have trouble dying / or learning the stage
Something like Membership, Pillow, Towa Cap, Nurse Horn, Plushie/Feather should get you there as safe as possible.
Towa cap + Membership will help you with damage without sacrificing survivability. Then for stat boosts get speed to like 200+, get HP to 250-300. And spend the rest on haste + atk

aye

It's amazing how ridiculously easy it is to get couch potato with Sora.

I fucking hate when I have 3 different items to level up and the box just gave something entirely new, effectively wasting it.

>>43332637
>he less weapons you have the more likely the Akukin stamp is to drop
My six failed solo Mel stage 3 runs with no Aqua stamps in a row(with two dying on spiderchama) would like a word with you.

>>43339290
1/20 chance of super item. If no super item then it has a 9/10 chance of giving you something you have to level up and a 1/10 chance of something new.

>>43340524
I don't know man I've been doing this Time Stage RBC for hours now and the amount of boxes giving me a random lava bucket or bounce ball instead of the Fan Beam, Asacoco or Devil Hat that I owned were too many to count.

>No Halu until 14 minutes in.
>All elims and rerolls spent.
This shit should be illegal. Make it a guaranteed drop on your first level-up so you can elim/pick it immediately...

>>43341324
>spend all rerolls on first drop
>no halu = restart

>>43329565
jokes on you, my oshi isn't even in the game yet

>>43341783
jokes on you my oshi isn't even in hololive

>>43338766
Based daisenpai

just use Suityan for couch potato. you can prevent Ame from jumping if you flatten her with tetris block lol

>>43338766
I did it with Sana and her ult buys you enough invul time to regen up or kill the big threat. The magnet after ult is also great.

Would it be cool if after adding all characters, Kay Yu releases official mod support?
like imagine if you could pack mods into simple .cure files and just put them into appropriate folders (character, item, stage)
then people can make other vtubers or fictional characters and share them

>>43345930
do we really need al those sex mods and the "rushiafags seething" mod that replaces Suisei with a bad modded Rushia?

Is plushie still broken? If so, what's a good replacement?
I was running Ina with Drink, Horns, Plush, Knight Milk, Halu and something +Damage, would pillow or Bandaid be better?

>>43346207
Why would they need to mod russia when she's obviously getting in with the rest of her Gen?

So what weapons or stuff works well with Ina's 4th hit passive? I'm retarded and don't really understand it

>>43346797
Anything that hits really big or a lot of times. Cutting board, Micomet, Elite Cooking, etc. That said I go for Broken dreams instead of Cooking because the slow's a big help for Ina and it frees a slot on her tentacles.

>>43347067
alright thanks

>>43346607
>I was running Ina with Drink, Horns, Plush, Knight Milk, Halu and something +Damage, would pillow or Bandaid be better?
>Still playing old Inalock, in the year of 2023
Never gonna make it.

>>43348896
Hey it lasted me a minute and a half past yagoo and I wasn't moving in the last 5 minutes, works aright. Open to suggestions though.

What are those countless bars of brown/black on the enemies?

>>43349267
4th wah procs.

>>43349348
I see. I thought it was because of the knockback stamp but even after removing it it still persisted.

Not to self, don't try to tank the sapling beams in Stage 1 Hard.

>>43345930
As much as I like playing around with mods and stuff, I hope kay never considers the idea. At the end of the day holocure is about hololive and it should remain as such.

>>43341324
There is something like a 90% chance of getting an item offered that you already have if it still needs to be leveled up. This means if you start taking items that aren't Halu early, it will drastically delay how long it takes to get Halu, especially if you leave them at less than their full level.
Blacksmith's gear is a great example for this. The 1st level is amazing to get as early as possible, as it will double all future anvils which really adds up. Levels 2 and 3 are less amazing early on because outside a one weapon run you may not have weapons ready to start enhancing... but you still better grab levels 2 and 3 as soon as possible so it doesn't take up another slot in your level up pool nearly every level until you do.

>>43345930
Only if we could finally get Pomu

Stamp tier list?

>>43349267
>What are those countless bars of brown/black on the enemies?
Bonk

>>43350434
we need pikamee
fuck pomu
pikamee x gura collab weapon
sh-sh-sh-shark

>>43350678
AIEEEE

Usaken explosion stamp is good for Mori but god tier for FBK. Each enemy hit by the explosion rolls for the FBK swords, so it is like having your Special going the entire stage.
As I expected, the Breastplate is great for her too. You'd think the 20% speed penalty would be rough but she can get plenty more to make up for it and, since it is triggered by being attacked and dodged attacks are still attacks, it more than doubles your damage when you FriendZone+KonKon charge.

>>43345930
Phase Alias fucking when?

>>43350354
Why would you post this?
Why did I watch it again?

>Pick kuso shackles
>Pick any item with a debuff
>?????
Simple as

>>43351007
>pick kuso shackles
>only one or two negative trait items drop

>pick up a four or five negative trait items
>shackle refuses to drop

>>43351007
but then youre spending 2 items to get 1 item, youd need to pair it with multiple debuffs reallly
one id run it with is breastplate, really good item but the speed debuff WILL kill you eventually

Does anyone else thinks that the moment you get swarmed by GuyRys wave in stage 1 hard is a massive difficulty spike that nothing else compares to?

>>43351156
>but the speed debuff WILL kill you eventually
Depends on the character, and if you pair it with drink it's not noticeable either. Wonder if I should try it on Ina instead of Plushie.

>>43351249
I think it felt that way when I tried S1H ages ago but these days by the time I get to that part I'm usually set to crush them too.

>>43351249
yeah the irys guys are always super jacked compared to everyone else on any difficulty for some reason

>>43350267
That's fair. I just figured that the game format is great and could fit any sort of character/work of art, and it would be fun to make characters from other shit into it.
Like Icy Tower characters, except with gameplay changes and not just graphics.

>>43351249
I always get hit by those fuckers

>>43351156
>one id run it with is breastplate, really good item but the speed debuff WILL kill you eventually
The speed debuf is a flat -20%. Each speed level up is +12%.
So with Shackles you're spending a slot and 3 levels to get less than you'd get with 2 levels.
Unless you're taking other debuff items, like you say. Facemask is probably the single best one but even then I'd probably prefer spending the slot on Membership which almost cancels out the penalty of Facemask and gives a nice +50% attack on top, with a downside that doesn't matter once you've maxed your upgrades.

Time Stage is such trash.
>I heard you like resetting for your layers upon layers upon layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of rng to align.

>>43351249
Are GuyRys the stick figures? If so then yeah. There's a noticeable spike

>>43345930
If other IPs want to make a VS knockoff they can make it themselves

>>43351007
If you pick kusoshackes without AT LEAST 2 of Asacoco injection, face mask and gorilla gauntlet, you're trolling

>>43350503
Haste is my favorite not only because it's useful it's also because Boros is the one representing it. Usaken and Flower come close though

>>43351684
I agree. Boros is so fucking cute on that stamp.

>>43351547
Then when you get everything right until minute 2 the box from that boss gives you something entirely new instead of the one you wanted to level up, gotta love it.

>>43351547
That's speedrunning trannyism for you, why do you act surprised? Either don't bother or just cut your dick off now to get it over with.

>>43351684
>Boros
I always thought it was a ghost...

>>43351007
Pick 5 items with major debuffs. In the Choco run I posted last thread it was wiping out something like 20 levels worth of negative traits.

>>43351480
I would say Injection is the most individually powerful, followed by Mask. Membership is still worth taking in a shackle run because it's either 3rd or 4th in terms of powerful upside. Take Energy Drink for speed and haste then your choice of either Breastplate or Paw. That's how I build Shackles and I don't think there's much else you would even consider. Maybe Body Pillow or Halu are just so OP you take them even without a downside to remove.

>>43351684
>>43351727
I keep thinking it is Mel's ghostpire familiar.

>>43350503
Greed is either A or F depending on whether or not you need coins.

>A-Tier
Projectiles, Haste
>B-Tier
Lifesteal, Stun
>C-Tier
Size, Weaken
>D-Tier
All other non-joke stamps
>F-Tier
Trumpet, Reverse, Rainbow

>>43351896
Injection has the worst downside being removed but it's a flat +80% attack bonus rather than a multiplier. When you're at +100% attack at start, then your weapon has another +300% and you're getting +50% from membership, another +80% doesn't do that much. Going from 450% to 530%. Ever so slightly more than a 15% actual increase in damage, and that percent gets lower with stronger weapons. It is most useful for buffing your skill attacks I suppose but even then, eh.
Meanwhile the Facemask, in addition to the 10% haste as gravy, gives a 1.3X multiplier on your damage. So if you're at 450% on a weapon, you're looking at functionally having 585% with the facemask, +135% that only gets higher and 55% over the asacoco injection. For even more benefit, the facemask only has 1 level so it frees up your future levels and allows you to start getting stat bonuses regularly offered sooner.

>>43352134
You seriously are putting explosion in D Tier? The explosions carry the full effects of your attack, so any skills or modifiers or even other stamps it has on it. It isn't much for bosses but it is amazing at hordes. Explosion + Stun is especially fantastic.

>>43351597
Yes, that's Guyrs.

>>43352134
Weaken is a very powerfull one paired with characters that abuse pikipikipiman. Stun always find it too unreliable, I prefer slow instead of make stream of tears for CC and then move from it when i finished building my set.

>>43341935
jokes on you your oshi isn't even in hololive

>>43352569
Stun only really works well when paired with a fast weapon, haste and explosion.
But by god does it work.

>>43351249
The sprouts around the minute 16 are more a hindrance for me because it goes paired with charging owls.

>>43352624
Sun works great on Ina's tentacles, since they have so much coverage.

>>43352346
I thought the explosion only dealt damage, but if you're right then I should probably have it in A-Tier. I'll be sure and pick it up on my next run to confirm. Thinking more about it I should probably also bump up Knockback and make Solo a situational grade, since even one empty slot puts in at least C-Tier.

I didn't think too hard about my list, I just wanted to get the conversation going.

>>43352569
I almost put Stun in A-Tier. I was testing Stun vs Lifesteal on the Yagoo phase earlier and pretty much insta-died after switching from Stun to Lifesteal. I don't know Piki, is enough to justify a promotion, but it would be higher on an Aki Rose tier list.

Was broken dreams nerfed?

>>43352301
>then your weapon has another +300%
Are you talking about solo weapon builds? I meant for general play with collabs.

>>43352914
Get the explosion stamp with Mori and see what happens.

>>43353046
Doesn't Mori's insta-kill chain naturally? I was thinking Kronii or sticker stun since they would be easy to see.

>>43351340
>irys guys are always super jacked

>>43352134
Having a traditional tier list for stamps is kinda dumb when how effective each one is depends heavily on which character is being used. If anything they should just be separated into the general categories of useful, subpar, useless, and whether they're situational or not.

>>43341783
>His oshi isn't even in the game yet

What's the best collab? I usually pick Broken Dreams / Frozen Sea but i don't know if there are better combos

>>43352134
shouldn't DEF reduction on Weaken be op?

A single tick of Choco healing can heal 64 points of hp jesas

>>43354021
>he says while posting Nene

Ogayu is still stupidly OP as she was in 0.4 version - I grabbed Membership only at 19:30 mark after melting Holo staff members.
>>43354182
Flattening Board is overall the best DD collab, although MiComet is also fine if you have high Haste stat.
Broken Dreams and Snow Flower Sake are fantastic due to good AoE damage and debuffs.
Rap Dog and Dragon Fire are good but IMO they're more situational that the former ones (former is kinda powercrept by Flower Stamp and latter is only really good against bosses).
Rest either conflict with mentioned collabs by sharing one of weapons or they're not that great in the first place.

Is GOD build the best way to make use of Matsuri?

>>43355035
its a chance not guaranteed

>>43355644
on each projectile on every hit. unless it's a mob that dies in 3 hits it should be very consistent.

Going full DR Korone with focus on healing is fun, even with this suboptimal trash-build. Same energy as version 0.3 Ina where you can just stand around and tank everything while watching your health bar swing between half and full.

is marketing worth it for farming coins ? should i focus it first

>>43355405
I'm probably a bit biased at this point but I certainly think so.

I still wonder if Kay Yu still plans to add Stars into the game eventually or gave up on the idea.
Makes me wonder how long they will take until they add all of hololive members in the game first too.

>>43355794
Over 90% of enemies die in 3 or fewer hits though. Defense down is good for bosses and Yagoos, but Rap Dog's version is 20% screenwide.

>>43356473
Marketing is the second most important coin farming upgrade behind unlocking stickers.

Remember when the big shieldbeat circle of stage 1 was considered a filter?
Good times

>>43353993
Really, the only things that matter for whether a stamp is good or not is if you're melee, how many times your attack hits or if your attack is a multi-projectile. I mean, getting more projectiles for a multi-projectile weapon is obviously useless for a melee character or Subaru. But then some of them kind of depend. Chance based stamps are ridiculous with multi-hits for example, Kiara can practically stun half of the screen because of how big the sword is, especially combined with each hit having a chance to make explosions that can also stun if you get another stamp. But Mori wouldn't get nearly the same use from stuns because her weapon is single hit, she'd probably be better off with Size+Haste+some other third one.

>>43356757
>I still wonder if Kay Yu still plans to add Stars into the game eventually or gave up on the idea.
He will probably do that after JP6, especially since their sprites are already done.
Yes, new Hololive gens will probably debut by then but he'll just pull ID update with HoloStars and break the pattern release.
>Makes me wonder how long they will take until they add all of hololive members in the game first too.
Three updates? ID, JP Gen 3&4 and then JP Gen 5&6,

Finally broke the 40 min mark with choco. But unless you get god rng and have hp stat up every level I think this is as far as you can go.

Had a great run with Kiwawa in Stage 2 Hard, never earned this many coins with her in a single stage before. Messed up my collabs a bit because I had planned to get axe + BL love, but changed my mind and got Frozen Tears instead after I had already maxed axe. Ah well, it gave me more opportunities to get coins from level ups.

>>43357547
Which stickers?

>>43357616
akukin+haste+aoe

>>43357002
>mfw the "pick the right bomb" event and the pink robosa event in Stage 2 hard
No time for that shit.

>>43354021
just you wait, 2 years tops she will come h-haha..

Nurse's Horns & the Life Steal stamp works great together with Sora's "healing" passive damage ability.

Sora's weapon also has knockback that helps push back enemies. Also helps that the Solo stamp & Projectile Up stamp gave me power when I needed it.

my pb, pretty proud of it.
is anyone tracking the wr?

>>43356757
I wonder if Kay Yu plans to the retired members (Kira, Kaoru & Suzaku).

>>43358713
>4 minutes & 9 seconds
Wow. Impressive.

Has anybody cracked the 3 minute mark yet?

>>43358830
the lowest I've seen is 3:54 with mumei.

>>43358830
Somebody got 3:43 with RBC on Twitter. My PB is this one.

finally got my first gachikoi in suisei, some thoughts about her:
>primary axe could use larger area or faster speed or both. i know it already got buffed but it could use a faster attack speed i guess
>stellar should either give haste as well or have its attack buff cap increased. +40% attack only at max stack feels underwhelming (unless it's intended because of her high innate attack multiplier and crit stacking) especially when others have had higher bonuses as well
>suicopath healing feels limited until you get micomet. i guess they don't want to make another irys so i can understand, but maybe could have made the proc rate higher to compensate the healing being limited to axe-only
otherwise i am pretty fine with her kit, i liked the critical hit class idea on her and she's really strong when she finally gets rolling, honestly only stellar feels like it needs a meaningful buff
micomet/crit up items/hope soda feel like a must for her

About to run Ina on endless, give me a defensive item to compliment horns please.
Quickly!

They should make an item referencing the meme where the girls put their feet up on their desk that makes the sprite barefoot hahaaha
It can have increased run speed in exchange for taking damage while moving (unless you're playing fauna, sana, or anya)

Since it will take a few months for a new update I will try to complete every level with every character to max their stats.

That being said, which characters are the hardest to fully complete? Or rather, which characters are more pain in the ass to complete Stage 2 Hard.

>>43359034
y-yeah hahaha. That would be sooo funny if we had them barefoot..!

>>43358997
>>primary axe could use larger area or faster speed or both. i know it already got buffed but it could use a faster attack speed i guess
Pray for the Boros stamp and go brrrrrrrrr!

>shackle didn't drop until 16 minutes in

>>43359034
>>43359721
We should also get an "Idol meeting" weapon that makes chubas piss on enemies that would be even funnier hahaha

Something tells me that Kaela's special will be minecraft related

>>43359763
my goto stamps are usually haste and size, then last is usually reserved for whatever increases damage
i swear i never got akukin on min/one weapon runs though

>>43359023
Well bandage didn't help as much as I hoped.
I really hope they fix Plushie.

>>43360010
Her Special will be Pestering Kay Yu to give her more content and challenges.

>>43360320
He could take the challenge of playing withour Feather and with Halu.

Aside from solo stamp is there any benefit to single weapon runs?

>>43360640
35 levels worth of stat buffs

>>43360640
The ability to fill up your slots faster for earlier and more stats/coins from leveling up.

IS it me being an absolute noob, or is the exp glasses just so useless in stage mode....

>>43360841
You have to get them very early on and level them up to level 5 asap.
Otherwise, they're useless if you get them late in the game.

>>43360923
That's the thing, I tried to level them up when I am like level <10, but then my power growth just does not catch up with the game difficulty(in stage3 and some char in stage 2).

>>43360841
They are very useful with Robokosan. I'm not sure if the increased EXP gain is worth the lost 5 levels required for maxing them out, though, especially since you're losing an item slot as well. Super Glasses are still worth it, though.

>>43361146
THX anon

Well, time to see how this works out.

Damn a shame it's 1s off from the WR. Oh well for now I'm satisfied.

Are items that deal X% damage like breastplate or skills based on the base weapon damage of that character? If so, does upgrading the base weapon damage with anvils improve the damage of those effects?

>>43361364
>756 hp
kiwawa fat...

>>43361468
>real chance that a /vt/ anon might be the WR holder
Make that dream a reality, anon

Same exact time as the Subaru run. It's fucking hard to hit 42 minutes for some reason.

>>43352134
>projectiles A-tier
and thats exactly what's wrong with trying to put stamps in a tier list
many characters can't use it at all and it's effectiveness depends entirely on how many projectiles there are to begin with
adding 2 projectiles to Ame is nowhere near as good as adding those to Chico
even something as general as haste has very different levels of effectiveness depending on who you play

>>43362130
Glasses seem like a waste to me, if I have Halu5 I can make lvl 130 or so by the 30 minute mark.

Masuri is so fun anons, I wasn't sure if I was even going to win with no collab items.

>Playing endless with Ina
>Doing pretty well, enemies not even getting close enough to hit me and any damage is instantly healed
>Yagoo time
>Notice I had 3 anvils uncollected
>Try running to them
>Left my safe space
>died in seconds

Now I'm not sure if it was my poor decision or just that breastplate wasn't gonna save me against Yagoo like plushie did

>20~ stage clears since the update
>not one super item drop
Did they also reduce the spawn rate of the vacuum thing? It feels like I'm lucky to see one per run now.

>>43362922
I get them often and it's always the fucking dress on a character that doesn't have much use for it.

>>43362922
You are just unlucky.

>>43350354
Is it better to just use Blacksmith as a one-point-wonder and eliminate it after grabbing the first one? Outside of one weapon runs, obviously.

>>43363036
No, why would you want to?

>>43361577
It's got nothing to do with any weapons no. The simple version of the damage calculation is that all sources of damage have a base value of 10, multiplied by weapon modifiers, and attack stat. For skills and items the listed % is used instead of weapon modifiers. There's a full breakdown of the details on the wiki.

>>43338766
Based character and build; easily got couch potato first try. I did have milk instead of breastplate due to unlucky rolls, though, and I managed to get a +1 weapon from an anvil.

>>43362012
I don't know anon I'm fucking tired rerolling for Mask first item and Tears second item. Can they add a reset stage button next update since quitting the stage and needing to navigate the whole character and stage selection is getting annoying.

Those final 3 minutes were stressful. There were times when my HP went as low as 10 HP. Thank god that Korone is so tanky.

My boxing gloves were at upgraded to level 23 (thanks to Kaela and the credit card), and my stamps were Solo, Bomb, and Knockback

>>43363870
There's a button on the death screen to restart.

>>43363909
On the normal pause menu. So you can just immediately reset early.

>>43362553
>Chico

>>43363870
Good idea but I think that is a low priority for the dev. Meanwhile, just don't be lazy.

>>43365946
>just don't be lazy
It's not even laziness at this point, it's straight up frustrating. I wanted to use the alternate outfits but everytime you quit the stage the selection goes back to the default one. It's just bad.

>>43366332
So just use the restart stage option?

We should be able to pet Friend.

>>43366657
and an option to hug Ankimo

>>43366657
>>43366719
And book

>>43366498
Have you ever tried Time Stage even? You load in, take the red exp and level up, then you eliminate main weapon and reroll for Face Mask first item. If you don't get it then your run ends there and you need to restart. Your choice is either quitting the stage and doing all those annoying steps all over again which takes around 5s or you waste 30s waiting for the mobs to finally kill you, along with the 2s death animation. It's a lose-lose either way.

>>43365129
>previous stage progress didn't carry over into the fandoms update

>>43366945
at least you had your save file...

dead so soon huh?

>>43366719
Shame Ankimo's function had to be changed. It is better now, but was funny to have fans follow him instead because Ankimo has his own channel.

>>43362922
I've gotten three super chicken feathers on my stage 1 gachikoi runs and no other super items. Fucking hell.
Hopefully someone makes a cheat engine table for drops. I wanna see how retardedly high the damage can get when you stack super items + stuff like mask

>>43370779
No, it was annoying. Sometimes a boss would follow Ankimo away from you and straight into a crowded mob of enemies. Ankimo was beyond useless in his earliest version.

>>43358340
>pick the right bomb
What? Is one of them weaker or something?

what characters do you guys have the most fun with? i've been fucking around with IRyS and suisex and like them a lot

>>43373497
I like Haachama's gimmick.

>>43373497
Korone, Matsuri, and Ayame in no particular order.

>>43373497
I love Gura's kit, but fucking hate how awful her trident is.

>>43373497
what is fun? All im doing is gachi grinding. Fun can be had later.
Full crit choco is neat though
Solo weapon
Full Meal, Halu, Mask, GWS, Hope Soda, Energy Drink
Stamps: Solo, Botan Goggles, Haste
Stack Crit + Haste as high as you can and just watch everything explode.

>>43379904 (me)
if you're up for it you can sub out full meal for injection type asacoco as well for a straight glass cannon build. Her awakened weapon + passives heal you well enough regardless

>>43373497
Okayu
You can build her in pretty much any way and it'll still work

>>43329069
Will Ayame play, I wonder

>>43373497
Korone, just going full tank and not giving a fuck while throwing hands. Throw in the coin stamp and you're literally beating the money out of things.

I also like Ina with Stream of Tears and Elite Cooking to make crowbars fly everywhere. But since Ina lost her immortality she's been pretty boring...

>>43384795
>Ayame
>streaming
Anon...

>>43372174
I know, that is why I said
>It is better now

>>43372372
In the stage 2 hard where a bunch of big bombs all appear at once when you're caged in?
Yes, there is one weak grey one which will go down in a few hits. The green ones are really tanky and so you need a good offensive set up to kill even one of those in time. What you are meant to do is spot the grey bomb, kill it, and then there will be a small free patch that isn't in the blast radius of any of the other bombs.

>>43360841
>>43361361
If you get them early in stage mode they'll still give you more levels than you'd spend on them... but not enough to make it worth giving up an item slot AND the difficulty of needing to spend some of your early levels when you're getting survivability established, even with the Growth upgrade. Roboco is probably a different story.
You're way better off getting Halu for extra xp, as it will give more levels than the glasses in addition to loads more stamps and anvils. The Blacksmith's gear will also save more levels than the glasses.

>>43385166
>But since Ina lost her immortality she's been pretty boring...
I feel the opposite. Subaru is immortal for stages with almost no investment but that makes her extremely boring to play.

>>43385166
>>43386588
All I want is Ina's heals to get a little buffed, she completely needs outside heals because takos are worthless for that. Aside from that I still play her the most, haven't figured out how to build her best though.

How to big money?

>>43386707
Takos can actually heal quite a bit if you let them stack up.
There are lots of characters that need outside healing, if you want healing. The heal is just a nice little side effect but it has saved my life once or twice when a big tako heals me a bunch and clears the screen as it explodes.

>>43386885
How many of those characters are meant for sustain and have healing as a part of their kit though?

>>43386868
Irys and get Greed early.

>>43366945
yeah and? who cares

>>43386958
Ina is control, not sustain.

>>43387920
Then how do you build and play her for control?

>>43352134
Advanced technique incoming: you can use Reverse to match the direction of your main weapon to your cutting boards.

>>43373497
Okorone are pretty fun and I especially like eating bread dogs as Okayu. Endless with Choco because by the end you're a walking crit storm that self heals. Kronii was my original favorite and I still like playing as her, but the cramped office stage sucks for her and perfection is really hard to keep online; I feel like some of the newer speed characters outclass her, but I haven't figured out which one I like (didn't really play the last major patch so everyone is new to me).

>>43360841
Useless. Halu and Blacksmith are good, but Glasses will be a net loss or barely pay for themselves.

>>43386868
Greed sticker. Dedicated money runs aren't really necessary, but Irys is the best character to use on them.

I hope next update includes a step above Gachikoi that starts you with your personal weapon maxed out.
I don't care how how overpowered it is.

>>43387964
slows and stuns

i wanted knight milk not feather but i wasnt going to turn down a super feather
couch potato haato is entirely possible, i was partially joking when i said she was just better sana in haato form, but since the ult swap has a knockback aswell it does work out

>>43391458
image fagmiliar

>>43390510
What about the choice between skills and weapon level?

>>43387964
>>43391373
>slows and stuns
And large area effect damage or knockback. Stuff like Snow Flower Sake, Broken Dreams, Micomet and Flattening Board. In theory Idol Concert too.
Make it hard for enemies to reach you while you are blasting them with Ancient One and Fourth Wah.
The Milk is a good addition here too to get the area of effect even bigger and as a bonus it also increases the size of your Ancient One insta-kills.

>>43373497
Korone, Roboco, and Bae are my favorites to use. I really enjoy characters whose main weapons or specials can be aimed and focused at one single particular direction..... if that makes any sense.
Like being able to focus Korone's barrage of punches exactly where I aim my right analog stick at. Same deal with aiming Roboco's huge bullets, and Bae's special that unleashes everything in one direction.

I generally don't like characters like Aki, Fauna, and Sana because you have zero control over their weapons. Their attacks just do whatever they please.
It doesn't really feel like I'm playing a twin stick shooter game since you might as well not use the right analog stick at all for these weapons.

>>43392952
Oh, you can aim with a second stick. Well now I feel stupid.

>>43394361
In early versions you couldn't.

>>43394526
I was using my fighting game controller and it doesn’t even have sticks, so I had no idea.

>>43392952

> because you have zero control over their weapons
>Aki
This is not totally true, because technically the Aik attack the fiesta enemy of they direction you are pointing out, but the more you level it the less worth is doing this micromanagement

>>43366657
>>43366719
>>43366744
Screw that, there should be an option to FUCK Garlic.

>>43392612
No, I want it ALL.
In fact, there should be an easy mode fandom level called Clip Watcher that you can toggle on or off, but it prevents you from gaining Holocoins, unlocks, or Achievements.

>>43373497
Aki
Proccing Mukirose is very fun

>>43352134
Yikes. Explosion is one of the best. Explosions appear to trigger other explosions as well as greed. It is like getting extra greed proc chances

So who are the best characters for coin farming right now?

>>43399784
0-weapon Irys

>>43352134
>Lifesteal
Saved my life a few times. Some builds I tried had no defensive items like Body Pillow and such.
But this stamp gave me a chance to heal himself by simply defeating enemies.

>>43399784
IRyS followed by Korone

All you have to do is get the Greed Stamp and abuse the insane amount of base weapon attacks they throw out.

>>43399784
Irys, but honestly if you can clear S2H with Halu and are going for gachikoi ranks anyway just do that instead. You'll passively get millions of coins out of that.

Not the best Ayame build. Feels like sheep and bandage work better than horns+pillow. Haven't tried plushie.

Anyway, questions:
(1) recommended Ayame 0-weapon build?
(2) recommended stamps for ayame?
(3) Which stage BGM do you like the best?

>>43401975
Beat the S2H+halu+solo weapon with ayame with bandage+plushie. AT field + special is the clutch.


Anyone know a working build for S2H+halu+solo weapon with Shion? She easily gets overran even with full DPS build.

https://twitter.com/potato7192/status/1627235664327741442?s=20

>>43402368
Of course it'd be a Japanese person that would get the WR

>>43402410
>>43361468
?

>>43402221
270hp. Hah. Just run away from everything.

>>43402221
All I know is you pray for all the 3 kensetsu stamps, since the explosion from Usaken can also proc the homing projectiles. Probably throw Headphones + Horn for survivability since the Headphones proc also counts for Kusogaki.

>>43402368
It is crazy this isn't even impressive now

I'm ruining my sleep schedule because I've become terribly addicted to this game and keep losing track of time, I don't know why I waited so long to try it

This is off topic

>>43404944
that's just, like, your opinion, man

>>43404905
How do you even keep yourself awake? If I play this during sleep hours, my eyes keeps closing and getting game overs.

There's so much left to do

>>43405189
I'm still pretty new so I find it engaging trying to stay alive and learn all the characters

m

>>43401975
You need items to increase her damage which will also boost the effectiveness of horns. Also glasses are pretty useless on s2h with halu 5. I focus on dodging everything then triggering AT field to rush bosses with her special attack so I went with idol costume instead of piman.
The stamps I go with are Akukin, Haste, and Usaken for general wave clearing. For Nodoka I usually swap out Usaken for Weaken though I haven't tested out yet whether it's actually worth it or not to swap.

The devil hat is pretty bas isnt it

>>43391373
>>43392736
But how is Ina, built for slows and stuns, better than almost any other character build the same way? She has a natural slow area around her, but that's more or less it? Takos do give some small knockback, but like their healing it's too small/slow to be useful 90% of the time.

>>43407335
bad*

>>43407335
I haven't tried them myself, but from the description it seems situational at best and directly worsens your character most of the time.

>>43407335
It should work best with ranged characters and things like micomet, broken dreams i.e. stuff that damages the whole screen

>>43408289
It just seems like the debuff part will almost always be active later on with how many enemies you always have on your ass even when you're instakilling everything around you.

>>43405668
Yeah Im just doing 1 every 2 days or so. Doing them one after the other feels like a recipe for burnout. Got 6 currently so hopefully ill be finished by mid maech

>>43407335
It’s probably the worst item for solo weapon runs at least. 150px is a pretty big range for your attacks to get worse.

>>43408642
Yeah I thought the circle would shrink as you level it up but no, this item just sound like a debuff

>>43356652
how are your god beams so fucking huge?

>>43408914
The size got more than doubled in one of the hotfix patches

Just got 100k coins with Irys. What a broken interaction.

>>43407335
Currently only Aqua could use it properly since her kit is already based on keeping mobs as far away as possible from her, but as for others even for ranged characters it's pretty situational.

>>43407335
Devil hat is probably setting up some future characters or stages for sure.

I was even able to k.o. the invincible guys near the end of the level

Baesed

>>43329565
but my oshi is Mumei

The bane of speedrunners

>>43373497
Mumei (love guided arrow)
Kiara (dancer is a fun mechanic, but it's a shame tey overcorrected on the cool off)
Haato/Haachama (form switch characters are my jam)

This went way better than I was actually expecting it to. Was originally planning on just making it to the Yagoos but I had a leveled Life Steal stamp laying around and decided to see how long I could last.

Hello, I fucking love Choco.
That is all.

>>43373497
Honestly I started writing out individual names and quickly realized I'd end up listing the entire roster. Everyone's fun if you build each individually catering to their specific abilities. The least fun I've had is with characters who don't gravitate towards certain stats/procs so end up with universal survivability Item set-ups, and even then those characters end up dishing out ridiculous DPS from it and feeling pretty satisfying regardless.
Irys & Sui are both Crit scalers, so if you've familiarized yourself with the Crit items I'd recommend the other Critters too as a start:
>Ame - pure ultra-simple no-frills DPS, can reach 100% Crit extremely easily, gun go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>Bae - built specifically around landing as many crits as possible, but ALSO has a busted Special, so rolling Hope Soda adds an intriguing dichotomy to her runs
>Kronii - buffs her main driving stat (Haste) upon Crit hits, so building crit's a valid option. Especially since both she & Sake benefit if you avoid taking any hits
>Okayu - procs her main effect on crits like Kronii, can become Galactus if given enough, even Sake's still viable despite her being a punching bag cuz of its secondary effect
>Choco - bloody fucking hell possibly the most ---NEURON ACTIVATION--- kit in the game come to think of it maybe that was point lel once you stack all the crit you can and pop those Crit Heals on every single mob, share Okayu's gluttonous hit-sponge trait
>Aqua - gets a Crit Damage boost when in her safe space so building crit makes the most of that, like Kronii Sake gels well since you ideally want nothing to even get NEAR her anyway
Honorable mentions, based on Sake's requirement to never get hit:
>Azki - DON'T TOUCH ME am idol
>Shion/Fubuki/Gura - receive buffs when dodging hits with their Skills and/or Headphones, RNG dependent though
>Fauna/Kiara/Ayame? - Shield skills providing precious I-frames, possibly unreliable desu
By this point I realize I'm on the verge of listing everyone anyway, since I started thinking about AoE DPSes who shit out so much damage that they're virtually untouchable and might as well have Sake (e.g. Calli), or DPSes with spammable Specials who might as well have GWS (e.g. Korone).
I'll paya lil lip service to the punching-bag builds on the polar opposite end of the spectrum tho, like Mel & Matsuri. Cuz it's fun casually wading into Halu hoards and watching them die trying.

>>43407335
I tried it on a whim for an Ame S2H solo weapon run and liked it.
150px is a pretty punishing range, but a 1.6x damage multiplier is nothing to scoff at either. I didn't find the within-range damage penalty to be that bad, but that could be because Ame already does a ton of damage. The end result was that I could still handle enemies within the circle and was absolutely deleting those beyond it.
Also, I wasn't able to verify, but I think whenever Bubba was out of the circle his damage got the boost too. It kept him a relevant threat throughout the stage.

>>43407335
I'm very intrigued by what he has planned for Towa's weapon & Skills based on how niche it is.
I actually tried it on Aqua as another anon alluded to and still died. It's not as valuable on her as various other items would've been, and even offsets her pick-up range dmg buff. I survived with it on Mumei though I guess? So maybe it's only suitable for homing weapons rn. Or it's to sell you on Kusogaki runs.

>>43412185
Did you do it on solo weapon run? Because if so then it's to be expected. It works well with Aqua on the assumption that you finished Broken Dreams and Limiter.

>>43412185
I'm kinda hoping Towa's kit has zero synergy with devil hat so we can get more jokes about Towa hating Bibi.

I did a little digging after Towa played for the first time a few hours ago and have found out that of the 54 current Hololive talents, 48 of them have played the game at least once on stream. The only 6 that haven’t are AZKi, Ayame, Nene, Moona, Kobo, and Ina. Man Kay must be fucking proud of himself for this masterpiece and the fact most talents have played it and some even being pretty addicted to it

>>43352914
Explosion + Greed on IRyS makes farming even more godly

>>43413667
For what it's worth, Ina's talked about trying it out on stream recently, and she regrets that she missed out on the version where she was Top Tier with her immortality shenanigans.

>>43412185
Here is Aqua with the hat 29 mins in, see that none of the mobs are even close to touching the 150px radius circle.

>keep dying to the final part of hard stage 2 before Nodoka even though I used to do it perfectly
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

How are you supposed to play Ina now? She has no offense AND no survivability

Can anyone fathom why Flower's named after Kronii gag? The other Stamps based on current characters actually synergize well with them (including Boros with Kronii), but Flower's suited for builds where you get hit a lot and Kronii ideally never takes a hit.

As an aside I got Size, Explosion & Stop at the start of a run with her just now, maxed them while I waited for better ones, and ended up selling the better ones due to how OP it was. Makes you feel like The Flash.

>>43415474
She's on the weaker side but just take Choco Horns and plushie, and focus on increasing haste and area of your attacks. Put debuff stamps /lifesteal stamps on and you won't have too much trouble with any stage.

>>43415474
That's funny. Considering she was literally untouchable in the L2H run I did with her yesterday.
I'm probably wrong but I think it's the 4th Wah that makes up the bulk of her damage now, given just how many crowbars I'd see. Maybe I just happenstance'd my way into weapons that took the most advantage of it. It was definitely noticeable during her special.
What did Cult do originally? It was similar to Mumei's Civilization right?

>>43415578
thanks anon
>>43415842
and your build was?

>>43415578
Oh FTR I'm pretty sure my build was the polar opposite of this lel. I didn't go for any healing initially cuz I figured her Tako bombs would suffice, and when I realized I wasn't actually needing to use them I went Gorilla/Mask/probably-Membership-too.

>>43415380
go to sleep, you gaming too much.

>>43415936
See above. Tho IMO it's more fun to improvise & build something out of what you get. I rarely bin HoloBox stuff for that reason. Makes me explore new possibilities (& oftentimes pays off).

I think the Knockback Stamp's meant to work well with Ina too, since it's the exact same icon as her Skill effect. At least for the keep-away build.

>>43415842
Cult increased her damage against enemies close to her, 4th wah is an upgrade at least.

>>43415936
>>43415978
Ina's tako heals are almost pointless, you could tripe them and they'd still be less than korone's got. But choco horns procs with AO-chan's instakill circle so it gives her decent healing even against strong later game enemies. My full build is currently Choco Horns, Plushie, Halu, Energy Drink, Knight Milk and Membership/Gorilla Arms for items, for collabs I go for the Ice Wine for freeze, Broken dreams for slow, and Micomet/Flat board for area. For stamps I use the Stun stamp, and some combination of lifesteal/explosion/debuff on the other two.

Some people call this "old Inalock" but I haven't found a better way to set her up as is.

>>43412415
>>43414684
Didn't have Broken Dreams IIRC so maybe I got filtered.

>>43413667
>The only 6 that haven’t are AZKi
When was the last update in relation to her transfer fully over to Hololive? You'd think she'd have been all over playing with herself but AFAIK her schedule was unorthodox under Innoka(?).

>>43416214
>Ina's tako heals are almost pointless
If you just grab them, sure.

>>43416643
If you don't grab them, you get no heals for a while and a big heal every 3 minutes or whatever, still pointless.
But at least the big tako is cute and he explodes for good damage.

Wish I'd stayed still when yagoo arrived to see how long I'd last, I tried running and died in seconds.

>>43416432
She switched to Hololive in April of last year, the game came out late June of last year.

Is eldritch horror still bad?

>>43416852
Yeah nevermind then I guess it's just not her cup of tea.

>>43416965
I'm finding it consistently useful. Especially on builds where I've either risked no healing or trigger something on healing.
But then again I haven't done an Endless Run since it became apparent they don't count towards the gachikoi thing.

>>43417222
I can't even tell if it's doing something a lot of the time, is the damage ok?

>>43417274
Well I tend to survive so enough I guess? At least for 20min Halu runs.
I feel it'd HAVE to be to make up for dumping a lv7 EN Curse.

>>43417348
I feel like it should either be a vortex like Gura's, or it should proc random debuffs on everything it touches in addition to what it's got.

Am I retarded or does this thing hit once for 200% damage every 6 seconds? I can't read.

Didn't Roboco's Special used to grant her damage reduction or am I off my meds?

>>43417526
Looks more like once every 0.5 seconds.
I think 6.5s is how often the attack spawns and 4s is how long it lasts. Hence the gap between instances (unless you've stacked Haste).

>>43361468
I feel like a lot of people are sleeping on Suisei for time stage this patch. Her passives and 1.3x Attack make her crazy good for the Stream of Tears rush strategy.

Of course I'm still slower here, but this wasn't a particularly good rng run and could be much faster if you're willing to waste some time trying to get a good run.

>getting to 20 and even 30 minutes on endless doesn't count as completing the stage for the fandom
very home of sexual

>>43345930
At most I would like to see a custom map editor but all out full mod support is just asking for people to go full loverslab.

What weapons/collabs/items/skills/stamps can lower enemies attack? I only know of flower stamp, what else also does it?

>>43373497
Ayame after she got stealth buffed. She's a speedy haste melee character and Ayame Defense Field let's me charge directly into crowds like an idiot and actually paying off. It feels super good to lawn mower with her ult also

>>43419742
Oh of course not, Suityan was also someone I considered running with in Time Stage after the patch, along with Ame, Kronii and RBC. All of them should be able to get sub4 consistently thanks to their strong passive. RBC just has an edge above others because she gets more level faster and her special increases her Spd and Pickup Range immensely so you can kill the boss while grabbing all the scattered exp without losing much time.

>>43420806
I think just Flower and Aromatherapy (Aki). It's easier to raise your own defense than debuff enemies' attack.

I have the funny mental image in my head that Noel's Breastplate on smaller characters is just straight up a full cuirass for them.

>>43407335
>Towa's item
>bad
even Kay Yu is a towa hater

>>43420806
>>43421668
Miko can also do that with her special, Baby Language and I think her awakened weapon as well.

>>43413667
Moona intentionally didn't play it until she could play as herself
Probably same for Kobo, because I just don't see her not picking it up after ID update comes out
No idea about Ina, AZKi and Nene, this is actually weird
Ayame is Ayame

>>43423065
Ina already mentiond the game but doesn't seem that interested in play it. Azki is currently addicted to geoguessr and don't seems eager to change a game for stream.

>>43417526
>>43417902
Yeah can confirm there's are 8 damage ticks. So 1 every 0.5secs for 4secs.
Also WHY the fuck do we sleep on Eldritch again? This is my 1st ever 30min Halu attempt on the new stage and not only was it essential to me surviving this far (UberSheep came after, in my final HoloBox): I'm actually holding the Yagoos off. This' the first time that's ever happened to me without actively trying to with sweat builds, I expected to instadeath by now.

If Rushia and Coco do get added, I wonder if Nazuna and Kson will stream this game. Then again, does Cover even allow rival companies to stream Holocure?

I don't think I've seen a single Vshojo or Nijisanji vtuber stream of holocure. I remember Ironmouse saying that she really loved playing this game, but she still hasn't made a stream about it.

>Please don't let anything more break I wanna move on to developing 0.6 now pls game
S-Soon?

>>43424319
coco gets added 100%
She has 2 collabs, a weapon and an item

>>43423065
AZKi streams even less than Ayame, this Geoguesser arc is by far the most she has ever done.

>>43424319
>does Cover even allow
It's not their property. They can't do shit.

>>43424319
Cover can't control who streams it, it's not their permission to give. All they could do is try and get the whole thing shut down.

>>43424057
I think it's mainly because of the strength of other Spider Cooking and Curse collabs. Taking Eldritch locks you out of Elite Cooking, Broken Dreams, and Bone Bros, which are all extremely good and extremely popular; I was using both Dreams and Bros on my 39 minute Choco run. It might be worth experimenting with Dragonfire and Mikomet instead of Dreams and Bros, but IIRC Eldritch is on the lower end of the collab damage scale.

>>43424571
I never take elite cooking. What is it good for?

Game just updated for me, what changed?

>>43329565
Irys is clearly top tier, but how does the rest of the tier list look now?

>>43424319
It's probably more that said rival companies wouldn't want to promote one of their biggest competitors so openly.

>>43424653
It's Spider Cooking but instead of only having it around you, it appears multiple times all over the screen.

>>43424319
They don't own the permissions and even if they did, talents from other big agencies streaming a game about their talents is SSR tier advertising that they wouldn't even have to pay for. Vshoujo and Niji surely realize this and probably banned their talents from streaming it. Small corpos aren't big enough to be direct competition, so they have no incentive to ban the game.

>>43424571
It's also the only weapon that heals.
Freeing up an extra Item slot for extra DPS that'll apply to EVERYTHING.
Again I only even have UberSheep in that cap cuz I had 1 slot & 0 rerolls left and opted to take it instead of risk getting a page full of useless shit seconds afterwards. If it'd been Mask or Milk or Breastplate instead I may've lasted even longer, Eldritch was already healing so much by itself.

>>43424057
Quite simple actually, it's because it tries to damage and heal at the same time, but stuck with mediocre numbers in both. It comes back to the age old question of why bother healing when you can just kill them first? Obviously if you're aiming for a YAGOO endurance run then this weapon would do it perfectly, preferably being used by Haachama who can increase its damage output or Choco who automatically doubles its heal, but for a normal Stage run or 30 mins run there's almost no reason to make it.
For example here was my Aqua run without any defensive item sans Membership, only pure damage build and she managed to hold out until 32 mins simply by killing the YAGOOs over and over before they had a chance to touch her.

>plan to farm some coins while knocking out a few of the Endless achievements
>Greed doesn't drop until 19:45

>>43424786
This. I just searched for a Pomu stream since it simply sounds like something that must've happened but after all the drama Niji management let fester by blocking collabs for a year really shouldn't be surprised there isn't anything.

>>43373497
Aki. Keeping things moving to charge up one giant hip slam against bosses, while fists rain from the sky for every debuff applied.

>>43424933
>but for a normal Stage run or 30 mins run there's almost no reason to make it
I've been making it repeatedly in Stage runs to the same positive result so assumed the discourse was explicitly about Endless kek.
Do new waves spawn quicker if you kill existing waves faster? If not I don't really see why it matters; everything comes at you anyway and dies after coming too close, so the only difference maker is the temporary mob waves that zip across the screen in the first 20mins.

>>43425206
I love Aki's style here. Suisei too, although with her I'm not performing as well as I wanted. She usually dies in the last quarter of Stage 2H

Is stream of tears good now?
I remember it being a bit disappointing when it first came out

>>43424973
I got Super Super Chatto, Projectile Up and Haste Up with Irys and the same thing happened.

>>43425292
It's the new goat for time stage but still lackluster for stage/endless.

>>43425368
I'm around 30~ runs into the new update and still have not gotten a single super item drop. My game may actually be bugged.

>>43425265
wotcher grabbin'?
I always go GWS/Sake/Pillow and delete everything. Hope Soda'll definitely help now too.

>>43424653
Massive raw damage. I think it's still the highest against large crowds as long as stay within a smallish area so the pools overlap.

>>43424880
Your base weapon heals if you take the sticker. I also feel like you must have seen Bandage and/or Horns at least a few times and chosen not to take them. Body Pillow also satisfies the same need between the regenerating shield and the armor. If Eldritch does have a role in endless it's going to be on specific characters that care about heal procs like Choco. Maybe Kronii to keep Perfection up. I think in your case actually having a heal to go with full meal made Eldritch look better than it really is. I'd even say it was probably carrying a bad loadout because you have pretty weak weapons in general.

>>43425417
That also happened to me too lel
They started appearing again eventually. When'd you last update the game with the Launcher? That might've been what triggered it.

>>43425546
I manually updated it on the 11th, so that might be it.

>>43425416
Why is it so good in time?

>>43425619
Killing off screen enemies.

>>43425619
Its reach actually extends out quite far beyond what you can see. Combine it with devil hat and you rack up offscreen kills very quickly.

Eldritch healing is nothing to scoff at, I'll admit, at least early on. Wonder how it performs later, I got my dumbass killed by Mikodanye because I got too close.

Feels bad having to drop borken dreams and a lvl7 EN curse for the final weapon

>>43425535
>I think in your case actually having a heal to go with full meal made Eldritch look better than it really is.
Full Meal makes every healing source look better.
That's the point of it. And why I grabbed it.
>you have pretty weak weapons in general.
>mfw I beat 30mins+ worth of enemies on Halu anyway
Again: unless killing waves faster makes new waves spawn quicker you're gonna end up having beaten the same approximate number by the Yagoos, assuming-all-else-equal.

>>43425590
There've been 5 hotfixes since so yeah try it again.

>>43425915
If you're not killing Yagoos they get to sit there pounding on you longer. In Roboco's case you also don't get batteries unless you're killing. You didn't have Horns, but they are very good during the Yagoo phase and there's also the trickle of XP/anvils. When it comes to damage only collabs there's no real scenario where weaker performs equal to or better than stronger. Mikomet and Rap Dog would deal more damage plus apply a defense debuff and lead to a better time than Asacoco and Idol Concert.

>>43425822
FTR I FAR prefer Bone Bros and always gravitate towards that if given the chance, I just happened to be experimenting with Roboco's DPS capacity and felt I'd rather have that as a source of healing than multiple Item slots (again UberSheep was last-minute impulse).

>>43426364
BY the Yagoos. i.e. up until them. I reiterate: I wasn't actively trying to make a post-30 endurance build, and can totally believe there are better options for that. It was you (or whoever posted >>43424933) who said it Eldritch was best suited for it.

And this is my 5th 3:44 with RBC, it's getting consistent now at least. Seems like unless you get super lucky with anvil drops pre-1 min mark this is the furthest you can go though. The WR holder probably had some insane anvil or box luck.

>>43426597
I see now. Killing faster does generate more enemies, which is actually the reason most holos suck at the game (they tend to turtle up and run away). The other post you linked wasn't me, and I do plan on giving Eldritch a test drive on Choco later tonight. My main point is talking about what is ideal; obviously that build was good enough to reach the Yagoo phase and unlock the achievement.

>again UberSheep was last-minute impulse
That makes me curious about the Full Meal. Was it just there to boost Eldritch?

>>43426820
>The WR holder probably had some insane anvil or box luck.
That's kind of just how WRs work. Perfect execution + insane luck.

>>43424319
Cover is perfectly fine with Phase Connect and Kawaii playing it so I don’t see why not. The problem is whether or not either of them want to play.

>>43427328
>The problem is whether or not either of them want to play.
That's the thing. Ironmouse would LOVE to stream it, but something is preventing her from doing so.

>>43426820
Timed Stage definitely feels like a better semi-comptetive mode to compare with other players compared to Endless.

>>43427514
Mouse played Holocure I think during it's first iteration.

>>43427571
Speedrunning heavily RNG based games is diarrhea tier. With endless the difference between Halu under 1 minute and Halu at 5 minutes will have a negligible effect on final time compared to item build so you actually get to play the game instead of restarting for an hour.

>>43427879
The main problem with Endless how easy it can be to get immortal builds and semi-immortal builds rendering it basically moot as a semi-competive mode since with the right build you can never lose only choose when you want to lose. Timed even though it's more RNG based doesn't have to worry about character builds essentially gaming the entire thing into a joke. That's my 2 cents anyway.