/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Honestly this, ppl will respect chuubas that'll stick to their guns and do their own thing, but when you have flip flopping ones it'll cause alot more chaos for themeselves

>>43072318
Based and correct sane opinion.

In their minds they can pander to mentally ill incels and trick them, even straight-up lie, as much as they want. As long as they can pretend that somewhere there's a "its just jork" clarification written in the tiniest font to justify their behavior (because they totally are doing it to "have fun" with their fans and not to milk money from them).
Or hell, sometimes you don't even need that. Just look at that whore Rushia. People actually defended her and blamed the parasocials.

There is simply zero accountability.
There's tons of camwhores that exploit mentally ill men into giving them literally hundreds of thousands of dollars, but it's okay because "durr he should know better".
They are the exact same. The shocking part is knowing how they do this absolutely intentionally yet can convince themselves that they bear no responsibility. It's similar to how those Indian phone scammers justify their sociopathy with "hurr durr fuck evil rich whitey who think they are better than us"

>>43073395
I mean yeah he should know better, especially if the vtuber pulls an "L + Ratio + ur cringe @ parasocial fucks" and he still gives money to her. If you still donate to her after she says "parasocial bad" then the fault isn't the vtuber's but your own if she does some cheap asmr or gfe-baiting to try and win you back. You're just a pathetic simp after that and it's no wonder they get away with their behavior if you keep forgiving them.

>>43072318
Agreed

>>43072318
WOW... the fact that I can actually agree with an anti on 4chan.. I hate people who want to play the G/B Friend exp but don't want to deal with the consequences (IE: gachikoi) piss me off. It's why I stop watching people like Vox. You play with people's emotion knowing full well the mental state of some of them and then act like you have no responsibility for them. Yeah.. don't work that way. Just makes you scum in my eyes.

>>43073967
The problem is that those types of cucks unironically don't believe they are parasocial despite being parasocial. The self-delusion is real.

>>43072318
No woman is principled, you idiot.

>>43075790
The men do it too tho

>>43072318
Valentines date streams are just fan service. You can choose to avoid it if the chuuba normally doesnt do GFE content.
I dont hate GFE or people that enjoy it, but I hate this "either or" mentality where I see people saying that a girl doesnt do GFE, she shouldnt even have lovey dovey voice packs, a daki, or every do a stream of this type.

>>43075790
Exploiting women is based and it's entirely the woman's fault.

>>43073395
>There's tons of camwhores that exploit mentally ill men into giving them literally hundreds of thousands of dollars, but it's okay because "durr he should know better".
Yes, it is ok. Why do you care what people legally spend their money on, are you a communist faggot?

>>43075790
i hate incels and femcels

>>43072318
Today is "overthink our hobbies" day?

>>43075790
Not if we train them

>>43072318
why are you so whiny

>>43075790
They hated him because he spoke the truth.

>>43076625
People need to be forced into behaving correctly you faggot lolbertarian tranny

>>43077213
starting with you, surely?

>>43076867
It’s kys roastie day

>>43077008
don't insult truth with your brainlet takes

>>43073395
Basically this, they think it's fine to abuse and be super prejudiced assholes to a group of men just because they think they're better than them. All that loud performative talk about genders and races etc? Being nice only applies to them and the line ends there, the moment there is a group of dudes they are "allowed" to be mean as fuck to all that aggression they would have had about everything else gets channeled into them like a magnifying glass in the sun. They get mad as fuck when that group of dudes they pick on talks back going "what the fuck, your entire job here is to pander to dudes you do know that right" which makes them ultra-butthurt at the hypocrisy of what they are as a person.

>>43072318
Suisei is like this, when she was indie, she drew herself in swimsuit, but when she got big in hololive, refuse to wear it even for one membership stream. Used to kept quiet about parasocial relationship and opinion to herself, quietly collab with Stars for songs. But now she don't need your money, said she don't need gachikoi and refuse to do any fanservices, and start to being more vocal about males collab.

>>43077817
In other words, if they hate these kinds of guys so much then why are there here trying to bilk money out of them? Do they really think not a single one is going to point out that they sense the animosity sooner or later and call it out? There are plenty of chuubas out there that don't openly hate their audiences, the ones that do are trying like all hell to crab-bucket the nice ones down to their level to level the playing field.

>>43078032
Suisei actually has talent

>>43078290
she can sing and she work hard. But like OP said, i can only respect people who never encouraged parasocial right from the start or who were parasocial from the start and stick to it. Right now she feel like someone who got rich and start acting like an asshole.

>>43078032
If she really more vocal about it or have the homobeggars just thrown it in your face more? She’s seemed prudish for a long time but didn’t seem to force homos on unwilling chuubas.

>>43078032
>she drew herself in swimsuit, but when she got big in hololive, refuse to wear it even for one membership stream.
that singular fucking drawing barely even counted as fanservice and even that is a stretch, get real anon she never encouraged any of that shit.

>>43073967
Unironically it's because of guys like that that everythings become so messed up

>>43078763
Your question really got me thinking, i am not sure. I do want to like her again, but it's difficult, recently she just seem more antagonistic towad her fans. Her completely deny the gachikois only shortly after Rushia's drama. She spoke about stars after the 3D dance they did for new year, saying how they are in the same company, indirectly denounce those that didn't like it. She refusing to wear the swimsuit was the biggest disappointment, it was fine if she was always like this, but she literally drew herself in swimsuit, and she made up excuses about how long pages of rules to read when other holo did it too, she did point to a cardboard cut-out of her of her in swimsuit, but the whole thing came off as insincere. She has always been anti-authority, so now she turn that toward us because we trying to dictate what she can do. She don't have to do everything we want her to, but wish she spoil us once in a while or at least don't be so antagonistic about it.

I want to feel the same way about Suisei like i do to Watame, completely platonic, Watame has also always push for that, calling anyone that try to gachikoi her family. But it's difficult now Suisei is coming off as that to me, please convince me.

>>43079394
read my thoughts above^ and convince me more dude, i do want to like her again, i need second opinions.

>>43072318
Today just reminds me that I love my sheep.

>>43075790
you need a pool larger than just your mother to come to such conclusions

>>43072318
The funniest shit is when Nijiniggers call me a parasocial incel when they themselves bought those valentine merchs even after their oshi called parasocial disgusting.

>>43075790
Dare I say BASED?

>>43072318
>has just proven to me
Don't delude yourself, (You) knew exactly how today was going to play out, and learning nothing new, you only confirmed your worldview to yourself.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have like half a dozen valentines roleplay streams to go enjoy. All my favs are putting in extra effort today and it's going to be fun.

has someone told you that you type like a faggot sometimes?

>>43073395
>pander to mentally ill incels and trick them, even straight-up lie, as much as they want
This is like saying that the "got your nose" bit is child abuse.
>As long as they can pretend that somewhere there's a "its just jork" clarification written in the tiniest font to justify their behavior (because they totally are doing it to "have fun" with their fans and not to milk money from them).
No pretending is involved. It doesn't need to be written, because you have to be a certified room-temperature-IQ retard not to realize it. They don't need to justify their behavior because they unironically did nothing wrong. They are doing it to have fun with their fans, t. fan who is having fun.
Now quit shitting up their chat with your schizo delusions.

>>43072318
Most people have zero principles.
They'll talk about loving animals one minute, then eat a factory-farmed cheeseburger the next.
Why would vTubers be any different, even if they're cute.

>>43072318
Now my oshi Zach Hadel would NEVER

>>43082301
rent free

>>43081273
>I do want to like her again, but it's difficult, recently she just seem more antagonistic towad her fans.
what? if anything she's been more affectionate than ever, prerrecording content for when she went on breaks so fans didn't feel lonely, doing that hoshiyomi pop quiz stream with miko/aqua/towa where she was constantly doing things to please hoshiyomi (even if it was just the gag for the show they were pulling, though with some unprompted things like "true winners... are my dear hoshiyomi!!!"), and she literally screamed at the top of her lungs "I LOVE YOU" during the last* song of her concert, and i know for a fact i'm forgetting several more recent examples, even more so after that one mario kart stream she did with okayu and subaru.
>Her completely deny the gachikois only shortly after Rushia's drama.
she said "it's fine if you gachikoi, but know that i won't be reciprocating". you can argue about what she "actually" meant all you want, but that's what she said.
>She spoke about stars after the 3D dance they did for new year, saying how they are in the same company, indirectly denounce those that didn't like it.
you're talking about the same stream where she also called nijisanji members saying the exact same thing about how she wants to be able to collab with them more. newsflash: suisei is a huge unityfag.
>she literally drew herself in swimsuit
that was once and it was like 4 years ago, why the fuck are you still clinging onto that as if it was ever a defining trait of hers? get over it.
>and she made up excuses about how long pages of rules to read when other holo did it too, she did point to a cardboard cut-out of her of her in swimsuit, but the whole thing came off as insincere.
how much more sincere can you get than her straight up no bullshit telling you she won't do it before you get your hopes up?
>She don't have to do everything we want her to, but wish she spoil us once in a while or at least don't be so antagonistic about it.
she's never been antagonistic about anything other than people posting lewds on her art tag. she has a really healthy relationship with chat and has no trouble bantering with them or occasionally doing what they ask as long as it's not lewd shit. you're acting like she's constantly at odds with her fanbase and struggling to keep them well behaved or some shit. you simply don't like that her own way of showing affection is not how you want it. you already have watame as you said, why are you expecting watame out of suisei?
>please convince me.
(i didn't even read this before i wrote this post, but whatever.)

also learn english.

>>43083604
>also learn english
That statement is unironically the solution to most schizoposting.

>>43083184
>t. aloucuck

>>43083604
i don't know what to expect, i literally just be honest and i only get "speak english, get call a clown, go back to watame." I should just go back to trolling and call everyone retard.

Also I am a fan of the whole group, since i already developed a dislike of her, i want more unbiasd opinions, and get convince to like her again, but of course you didn't read that, retard.

>>43087295
what are you pissing your pants over? i never -once- insulted you, "learn english" is basically a meme at this point, and "go back to watame" is simply the logical response to "i want suisei to be like watame". you also conveniently decided to ignore quite literally everything else i wrote in that post so at this point i'm not sure you ever wanted to be convinced in the first place.
you know what? on second thought, fuck off we're full.

>>43084273
holoATM you better hide your face

>>43087295
>if you dont dislike her like me, you are bias!
typycal jealousy women

>>43072318
>Lke a child throwing a tantrum.
Irony

>>43088146
didn't insult, literally polka clown. but fine one last time.
>okay, she appreciate her fans, saying "i love you" still feel weird since she isn't really into playing the i love you type.
>yea i already do know the whole context on gachikoi, thinking on it again, yea this is fine.
>she is a unityfag with nijisanji, already know this, but didn't know she was that vocal for dudes aside from few song collab with stars.
>4 years ago, this is fine too.
>her not wanting to do swimsuit is not fine tho, i wish she just straight up tell us she won't do it because she dont like being sexualize instead of going uuhhh and thinking up the excuses like because of the long rules.
>never said she was at odd with fans, not lewd shits, just fanservices in general, not dislike her fans either.

>>43081605
i wrote this.

>>43088822
i don't want to dislike her, but you are a retard that can't read. so whatever.

>>43088146
you know what too?, fuck you, just a fucking hoshiyomi who get piss off someone dislike his oshi. go fuck yourself retard. No merit talking seriously to faggots like you.

>>43090030
>>43091814
>Losing his shit over a polka reaction image
Rumao you never stood a chance

>>43091814
>just a fucking hoshiyomi who get piss off someone dislike his oshi
i couldn't give less of a shit if you dislike her or not, but if your reasons make no fucking sense then i'm going to point it out. anyway, get lost.

>>43093839
just your average suiseischizo

>>43077817
>they think they're better than them
How exactly are they not superior to the dumbasses who engage in the worst of /vt/'s behaviour?

>>43072318
Women don't have principles when money is involved. Like the Je....

>>43072318
99% of successful people on the internet dont have principles youre supposed to start exloring the dumpsterhell when youre old enough to know that already

This valentines I hope that Kiki had "fun" with her brazillian boyfriend... I'm nothing but a pyuck.

>>43076625
>Yes, it is ok. Why do you care what people legally spend their money on, are you a communist faggot?
Jesus wouldn't want people to be tricked like this. The exploitative streamers are like the tax collectors he preached to.

>>43098492
Obviously they are but it's mean and rude to say it. It like flexing on the homeless.

>>43076625
You seem to be allergic to the idea of an external world.

>>43072318
>When they reject parasociality
youre implying the rest accept it as opposed to tolerate it for gibs

>>43105012
a distinction without a difference.

>>43074485
How do you know he's an anti? You made several statements sharing his sentiment. Are you an anti?
Plenty of normal fans and shitposters frequent /vt/. Not everyone is a schizo anti whatever.

>>43076785
Incels are right and femcels dont exist.
Cope.

>>43072318
THIS TAKE. REALITY CAN'T HANDLE THIS TAKE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>43109038
>femcels dont exist.
mafumafu, Vox.

>>43075790
There are some, but they're all taken and don't whore themselves out online so you never see or hear about them.

>>43072318
Good, you figured out that vtubers are just normal streamers with anime avatars. They only care about what makes them the most money.
There's nothing wrong with that, of course, and you can now enjoy them properly knowing what they are.

>>43109120
Did I stutter?

>>43072318
I got a lot of respect for Kronii and Vesper not doing Valentine's streams. That's not who they are, and they are happy to walk the walk. Valentine's Streams are just craven soulless content for people who aren't lonely enough to hate that kind of content, but who still want to pretend that they are in some kind of relationship with the streamer.

>>43075790
The biggest whores are the men, anon. Every man in Tempus but Vesper was out there today shaking their ass for the almighty dollar without a shred of dignity between them.

>>43109950
2/10 you could be a little less obvious with your intent there

Once you understand that women are not people you will take the prostitutes pill.

>>43110734
based

Don't forget at the end of the day, this is business. If you pay, it's on you.

>>43098492
Because they do so too, on this very board at that, anon.

>>43072318
>Vtubers that are steadfast in their choice of going parasocial
What are you talking about? All vtubers and their fanbase are parasocial. Quit pushing twitter shit on /vt/ moron.

>>43073967
They're retards sure, but the the deceptive one is still responsible for their behavior.

>>43073395
>>43073967
How fucking sick you mf's are. It's ok because he's male and it's his fault for continuing to be the victim. I hope nobody helps you bitches when your time of trouble comes. And everybody from the vtuber to the fan are parasocial dumb fucks.