/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>4263455
I don't know what she even said about Hololive but she should do us all a service and shut the fuck up already

>>4263455
No she fucking described getting fired from ANY job.
Just like anyone the holos knew what they signed up for when they got the job. When I get fired I don't expect to fucking keep my desk and work computer.
If you don't like it, don't get the job.
Veibae sounds like some fucking retard who never worked a day in her life.

>>4263455
>woman
Probably no

>>4263455
>trusting the opinions of a twitch whore
Yeah she’s entirely right, now fuck off from this board forever.

>>4263455
Wait who's this

>>4263512
are you fucking dumb? you're supposed to rob your job when they fire you

>>4263455
>omg like, if they fire you, you can't even keep all the shit they gave you to work for them

>>4263554
Based obliviousposter

Who?

Come on bring back the pink tracksuit you bitch! It’s the cutest, much more so than your other over-designed outfits

Can we please bury this subject? It’s been a week since she addressed this on stream. She basically said she changed her views on Hololive, but she won’t apologise for it.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1030401573?t=825s

>>4263455
>Has a pussy
Irrelevant

>>4263575
>Steal huge objects that anyone working there would immediately notice are stolen and risk jailtime
Are you black?

No, but she was good on the bed

>>4263686
>She changed her view but she still holds the old one
ogey

>>4263686
>She basically said she changed her views on Hololive

Source and time needed.

>>4263512
What company do you work for? I got to keep my work MacBook Pro

>>4263455
Both sides are bad.

>>4263686
>She changed her views but won't apologize to every holo member that she shit on
Oh, so she's just butthurt that her words caught up to her and she can't use hololive to chase clout and extra donations anymore.
And she's too petty and prideful to admit wrongdoing, she's an even bigger piece of shit than I thought.

>>4263512
>never worked a day in her life
based neetchad dabbing on wagie chuubas

“She was right about Hololive bros”

*the clip* a retard trying her hardest to come up with “company bad” points and looks more and more stupid in the process. Need y’all to look past the model and see the dumbassry.

>>4263575
This dude is correct.

>>4263913
how many levels of ESL are you on right now my dude

Yes.

what was she upset about, that people get fired when they don't live up to the contract they signed?

>>4264017
She said Hololive is evil because if hypothetically any hololive talent got fired, they'd lose their model and income.

She said a lot of dumb shit based on rumor and whatnot, but the amount of people lining up to lick the boot of some foreign tech company on this board is just bizarre.

>>4263838
>I got to keep my work MacBook Pro
They'll write it off as theft by employee for tax deduction. Just don't put that company as your reference to be safe

>>4264017
she said that hololive talents are desperate whores who will roleplay soulless husks of rejected anime characters for money, and that their personas are entirely handwritten by sweaty old Japanese men, and that their fans are pathetic incels who need to start spending their money on family and friends instead of falling for the grift

>>4264079
I'd suck yagoo's cock if I could because he created one of the few forms of entertainment left in existence that doesn't try to push retarded American politics 24/7.
Also go back to lereddit, nobody uses the word "bootlicker" here, faggot.

>>4264136
Link pls

>>4264136
...don't think that was her exact wording

>>4264180
https://files.catbox.moe/yif1bp.mp4
He's a Veibae fag that is resorting to telling outright easily verifiable lies to white knight for her.

She was wrong, but by saying that she ruined Vshojo's reputation with Cover, so it's all for the best.

>>4263575
I can tell your skin color only by this post.

>>4264147
Sounds like you just needed to discover the idea of foreign entertainment but feel free to suck whatever dick you want.

Why have none of the Hololive talents willingly quit if Cover is such an evil black company? The simple answer is Cover isn't as bad as the rrats proclaim and this bitch is an absolute fool who doesn't know what she's talking about.

>>4263575
Niggerchama....

>>4264279
they have to work until the end of their contract or they are fined for breaching it

>>4263455
She talked shit about Cover in response to the Taiwan incident and Coco/Haato suspension. This is something everyone on this board agreed was bullshit and the height of incompetence on Cover’s part, yet when Vei says it she’s the bad guy somehow.

>>4263455
Listen up Veikeks, we never cared about Cover, we only wanted one good excuse to stop that hypocritical whore and her e-thot group of shitters from leeching off Hololive, and we did it!
Now go back to your containment general, stop making these threads and continue to pay for her boyfriends's condoms like the keks that you are

can anyone even get behind the like, tuber voice?
can't take more than 5 seconds of it tBh

>>4264339
>She talked shit about Cover in response to the Taiwan incident and Coco/Haato suspension.
Proof?

>>4264213
I'm not sure I'm following. She didn't mention them being soulless husks roleplaying rejected anime characters for money, nor do they say that it was handwritten by sweaty old japanese men nor any of the rest.
So you're assuming that person is falseflagging in order to defend her ? What is there to defend ? She's giving a pretty valid opinion imo.

>>4264322
Which I doubt would be longer than a year and all their old talents are still there.

>>4263575
Chocoball...

>>4264339
I dislike Vei because her whorish tendencies genuinely disgust me (and I'm not even a holoshit idolfaggot, I just have a fucking limit), but if this is true, you will have successfully changed my opinion of her. If what you say is true, Vei is alright in my books.

>>4264437
there's cleverly hidden clause that allows cover to extend the contract unilaterally

>>4264479
ogey

>>4264490
i’ll punch you in the throat

>>4264339
but she said this 11 days before the Taiwan incident?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARS8d2-K1tE

>>4264479
>this is what vshojo and veibae-fags resort to

>>4264509
Don't threaten me with a good time

>>4264509
Wow, just look at this tough guy threatening someone over the internet anonymously. What a badass.

>>4264490
>>4264554
>this new to japanese work culture
bro...

>>4264572
>>4264567
2 throats to punch

>>4264339
I don't like how Cover handled that situation either, but they had their CN talents to worry about at that time too.

>>4263575
Nigger spotted

>>4263455

women should be seen, not be heard.

>>4264339
Just lonely anons band-wagoning, seen as gatekeeping somehow. There's no need to understand, just watch who you want to watch. 90% of what you read on this board are lies and should be enjoyed solely as a parody of the vtuber community.

>>4264607
you remind me of this trans girl i was friends with who'd constantly say that

>>4264279
Money

>>4264322
They are so evil that's why kanata and Marine said it would be great if they could keep doing what they do for 20 more years.

>>4264279
>why don't the imported slave workers in Qatar quit if their job is so bad?
that's the whole point, Cover has their talents by the balls. Quitting is a death sentence to their career as Cover owns the rights to their internet persona
it's mind-boggling to me that the corporate dick-suckers on this board can't comprehend how the concept of graduation would be revolting to an indie vtuber

>>4264607
Make it 3 nigger

>>4263686
Doesn't work that way. If you changed your views then you also should apologize for the past statements that were made that now contradict your new outlook. She probably has been taught to believe that as long as her FEELINGS were real at the time, she isn't in the wrong but that's the wrong value to have.

>>4264694
>Hololive is evil they gave these girls a brand and platform that earned them millions of dollars
Vshojo fags are legally retarded.

>>4264079
Most holo fans will admit Cover has dropped the ball several times in the past year. But that doesn't mean you let people say things that are objectively untrue.

>>4263575
Based melanin enriched anon

>>4264716
>holos are slaves
Nobody ever fucking forced them to sign up to work for hololive you fucking retarded mouth breathing mongloid. They fully knew about this the day they signed up. This isn't an argument. Now fucking remove yourself from the genepool.

>>4264741
YES YOU BOOTLICKING CORPORATENIGGER, THEY CAN'T ESCAPE THEIR OWN HELL. Do you understand what built-in clauses are or are you just retarded?

>>4263455
she literally said hololive content is scripted. She's retarded and didnt own up to it.

>>4264798
address the rest of the post or keep your mouth shut imbecile

>>4264798
But what about the elastic clause that's in their contract? When will that be addressed? You're outnumbered btw, bootlicker. We all know about karoshi and Japanese work/slave culture.

>>4264814
Get your brain damage checked out.

>>4264339
I wish she talked about Mel's manager and Cover's initial response to it instead. Would like to see this board try to defend that.

>>4264479
Proof? Otherwise, it's pure rrat.

>>4264814
>Do you understand what built-in clauses are or are you just retarded?
Where's your proof of this built-in clause they signed?

>>4264716
>work with a clear contract is equivalent to slave labor.
Ok, Bethani, we get it, you think any amount of labor is evil

>>4264860
Just talk to anyone working for a c*rporation in Japan, chudlet.

>>4264716
your delta reps, retardchama, and go back.

>>4264851
Address what you fucking nigger? They can fucking quit and be indies or whatever else they fucking want. That's how every fucking job works. They're not fucking slaves. Am I speaking to an underage communist who never had a job? Now fucking kill yourself.

>>4263455
Deflect and cope as much as you want.
But you damn well know Veibae is seething every waking moment about losing the collab and getting called out for her stupid shit while ironmouse gets a free pass.

>>4264845
That isn't wrong. Most of it is kayfabe and several Holos admitted it.

>>4264902
Isn't she the one who outlined the toxic work environs at Cover after retiring as Aloe?

>>4264714
that was a thinly veiled attempt to slip a cry for help past the NDA

ever wonder why 20 years exactly? that's how long their current contract is (unless cover lets them go), and unless they adhere to it they will be fined to bankruptcy

>>4264898
You made the claim, now prove it.
>chudlet
Fuck is this? Go back to twitter.

>>4264716
This is pointless, anon. The bandwagon is already going and any kind of logical argument won't cut it. After listening to >>4264213 it's hard to find fault in what she's saying. From an indie's perspective, having your entire work belong to someone else is terrifying at best. She's not saying that girls that do that are imbeciles nor that they don't have talents, but that it's scary and infringes on their creative freedom. It's an opinion and a valid one at that. But the vshojo sigma is strong and the attachment to the idols is also strong. There is nothing that can be done but wait it out and see.

>>4263455
does she actually not understand the concept of a job and working for a company

>>4264911
>They're not fucking slaves
Then why can't they just leave their job whenever they want to? Also anti-work anarchism is unironically the future, boomer.

>>4264716
“Qutting is a death sentence” yes one of the talents that quit definitely isn’t getting a shit ton of money from people who found out her reincarnation. She’s homeless In a ditch rn. You’re just as retarded as Vei.

“Would be revolting to an indie Vtuber” then the indie joins a company to get more clout. Also you signed up for the company you auditioned and waited months to get accepted you literally have all the choices.

>>4264898
>chudlet
You do not belong here. Leave. Now.

>>4264948
no, do you reps

>>4264716
This guy's source; Dude trust me

>>4264969
Do YOU not understand the concept of Japanese work culture, toxic collectivism, and karoshi? It's why many are retreating into anti-work anarchism.

>>4264986
People like you unirroncaily makes me wish I could vote for 1930's fascists to get communists like you gassed.

>>4264966
Go back to Twitter faggot.

>>4264922
they are all playing a character, that doesnt mean its scripted. Veibae is also playing a character and everyone in Vshojo, hololive isnt any more scripted at all. Hololive's content is just higher quality and consistent because they are better planned and they are scheduled.

Amelia for instance is far more genuine than Veibae will ever be.

>>4264992
>She’s homeless In a ditch rn
That would be the death sentence. I'm guessing you're a burger who wouldn't understand the plight of an average furloughed or laid off worker though.
>>4264994
Neither are the corporate bootlickers straight out of Reddit.

>>4264986
3 holostars left by themselves, at least 1 terminated his contract, and aloe also left and is doing fine, the talents can leave whenever they want, they won't because they have the easiest job that pays well

>>4264716

>>4264986
i'm sure your mother would agree if it meant that you finally moved out

>>4265052
Lnao why do newfags even try to bait if they don't even know what they're talking about

>>4265011
Look at this faggot

>>4264966
A job in any entertainment medium requires that. Unless you're full indie, you need a publisher, and a publisher is going to make demands. Even indies still have to cave to whatever platform they're on. This reads like the self-published authors that can't write worth a damn, but claim that having an editor/publisher would stifle their creative freedom when in reality they just suck.

>>4264986
You need to be +18 in order to post in these threads.

>>4264950
ogey

>>4265011
Fuck off, you lazy shit. The more useless, lazy ass millennials and zoomers I come across that bitch about corporate wealth and income gaps, the more I realize capitalism is the best filter for the leftist filth that refuse to work. You have nothing because you won't strive for anything. People that work hard don't cry about not having someone else's income.

>>4265064
Their contracts ended all 4 times (Kira and Suzaku) or they were fired (Kaoru and Aloe), newfag.

>>4264550
>those comments
How in the fuck there are nips that got into vtubing for Veibae?

>>4265101
This Vei shit brought too many twitter trannies here.

>>4265141
This is a proud NEET board, you need to fuck off back to >>>/pol/

>>4265149
Aloe didn't get fired, she quit. Source is her own words.

>>4264855
She would have to be smart and actually know what she’s talking about to bring up points. Also she’s now in a company with a bunch of whores who have more skeletons in the closet than Hololive what leg does she have to stand on?

>>4264814
see this you faggot >>4264358

>>4265141
Thankfully boomers and by a larger extension burgers are dying out so your kind won't be a problem in the new industrialised world. Calling out Japanese work culture, which Cover perpetrates at large, is the only acceptable thing to do in this situation when evidence has only been brought here.

>>4264948
Let me guess, you got that association from Veibae. This is why she deserves the hate without an apology.

I can't believe i'm spoonfeeding this...
Delta has had nothing but positive things to say about her brief time at cover. The clip you are undoubtedly referring to was made prior to working at cover and was referencing Game Club project and its black company practices a relatively famous happening in the JP vtuber world.

>>4264950
kek

>>4265188
False. She was terminated. Why believe a woman anyways?

>>4263686
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1030401573?t=0h16m37s
"It's funny that my opinion from last year is being used as the current VShoujo opinion"
Why is she saying that? People are against what she personally said and not vshoujo as a whole (ignoring Nyanners). Is it that hard to own up to your mistakes?

>>4264986
You mean the Holostars who left willingly and Aloe? Also Fubuki who threatened to leave if she found her trust in Cover misplaced.

>>4265149
You can only argue that kaoru was fired because he was specifically terminated, kira quit and suzaku obviously quit without saying anything, and those 2 already break your narrative that talents can't quit

>>4264891
>>4264902
>>4264798
>>4264911
the qatar slave analogy was to refute the retarded argument that they can just walk away from their job with no repercussions, I wasn't literally calling them slaves you absolute, 12 IQ, googoogaga retards

When a singer changes record labels, they don't have to give up their entire career and restart from 0
when an actor decides to sign with a new talent agency, they don't change their name and identity and restart from 0
when a streamer decides to represent a new organization, they don't terminate their channel and restart from 0
when any kind of entertainer decides to be represented by a new company or just take their career in a new direction, they do not have to give up on everything that they have built so far and start again from scratch

this cancer only exists here and to you mindless brand loyalists this is only acceptable because it's done by the brand you have sworn your eternal allegiance to

>>4265204
see
>>4265216

Should you trust in the word of a zoomer Whore on twitch, or should you trust a Veteran who had been through a lot in her life ?

>>4265052
HOLY SHIT you don’t know basic sarcasm? Do I have to spoon feed you what the definition is?

>>4265177
Corporate bootlicking chuldets like you no matter how hard you try, will never be accepted as the norm here. Not only do you have no proof that disproves the toxic working condition at Cover, but you're outright defending it. You're basically coping as a response to being gaslit and now you're trying to gaslight others.

>>4265052
>Hasn't done reincarnation reps

>>4265232
I should believe you, anon who argues in good will and knows what happens behind the scenes right?

>>4263455
The Veibae incident shows that having JOP audience can be as bad as having EOPs. No one could know about this if the japanese fans weren't to clip it

>>4265232
Anon, I really hope you're just pretending to be this retarded.

>>4265236
>he doesn't know that's part of the kayfabe
bro...

>>4265245
This. It's a broader idol/record label industry and newfaggot burger teenagers are blatantly unaware of it.

>>4264992
Vshojo doesn't have the power to "graduate" vei
If she decides to leave vshojo she will keep streaming as veibae, on the same channel, to the same audience that she has built over the years

>>4265064
You're missing the point. Nobody claims that the job itself is bad or that the talents are retarded for doing it or even that they are mistreated. But they are definitively chained up. It's a bit extreme, but compare it to prostitution. The girls can and do leave but the nature and the design of the job makes it difficult to. It's good money, they have the talent for it and people like their services giving them purpose. But it doesn't mean that the group of people profiteering from them are free of criticism.
If an actor decide to switch manager, they're not back to being nobodies again. Their image, voice and personality doesn't belong to anyone but themselves and having your whole artistic career belonging to a corporation that looks over your shoulder like some chinese official is scary to some, especially successful indie vtubers.This is the point being made.

>>4265245
>aloe quits
>brings literally every single sub she had previously in less than a month of redebuting
Ogey?

>>4265269
Vei was the one to first accuse Cover having a toxic work environment. So the prove is actually on her.

>>4265155
Japanese love her, actually. She gets tons of comments from them, even though she doesn't even speak much Japanese at all.

>>4264147
based

>>4265064
Ask me then, why did they leave? All 4 of them. I'm willing to bet 3 or 4 of them have to do with work-related stress and keeping up with the workplace norms that they're not cut out to abide by, hence the notion that the idol industry purposely forces you to be a person who you aren't.

Honestly, this shit is nightmarish and I have no idea why corporate bootlickers are apologising for it.

>>4264339
No, she was talking about the Aloe situation.

>>4265380
Roommate reps and you will know.

>>4265314
If Veibae fucking streams on twitch and another platform at the same time she'll get permabanned from Twitch for violating their exclusivity clause and lose all her income.
Guess veibae is a hypocrite and should immediately stop streaming on twitch and move to some indie platform.

>>4265345
Why not ask Artia and Civia who were both wrongfully terminated as well?

Also, Kira, Suzaku, and Kaoru have most likely left due to toxic environs and either have saved face to cover for their true feelings. Aloe herself as well.

>>4265380
why the rest didn't quit then?

>>4264322
I don't know about that, Korone said recently that she wanted to quit, so not sure how true that is.
https://youtu.be/_nozZp5OQbI

>>4265245
If an actor doesn't sign on for a sequel to a movie/show, the character either gets recasted or removed. If a drummer leaves a band, the band finds a new drummer.

>>4265416
>Why not ask Artia and Civia who were both wrongfully terminated as well?
Work on your trolling.

>>4265325
Everyone who was an alt channel has all the hardcore fans following then already, someone like coco could quit and everyone who cares about her would already be following her roommate who already streams, this is a retarded argument already because every single big vtuber who quits gets found out a day after redebuting, everyone who followed nobuhime is watching polka

>>4265349
Vei and Nyanners are pretty cool in which they have larger Japanese followings than most of the Holos. Shows you VShojo is really a rising power player in the VTuber industry and their more than favorable working conditions are something that could pave the way for cutting edge agencies to sprout out of it both on the domestic and international fronts.

>>4265416
This whole post is bait wtf.

>>4265306
What Kayfabe? The Ultimatum about leaving the company? Fubuki was the biggest Holo at the time when she made that statement and was one of the main supporting pillars of the group. She basically guaranteed collapsing the company if they were to break her trust.

>>4265345
She said stuff about Cover because of the taiwan incident. The way they made Coco take a break rubbed her the wrong way. I figure she likes Coco because of how Coco acts a lot like a vshojo girl.

>>4265325
So, Cover should just give them the iPhone, the character, the name, and everything associated with their IP to the chuuba after they quit? Why should they do something so stupid? You don't even understand the concept of trade or ownership.

ITT seething Veicuck trying to delude himself into thinking he somehow "won" by losing the collab and the ebul Cover will bring about the NWO. Point at him and laugh

Also Vei actually has a good chance of having started VShojos downfall. There were small cracks beforehand but this is the first time one of them has fucked over the entire groups public perception.Not counting Nyaggers You just know that at this point there will be internal conflict about it that will slowly consume them from the inside. I look forward to "subtle" jabs between them on stream.
>This is my rrat. There are many like it, but this one is mine

>>4265442
Here's the worst part, her gachikoi fans demanded she'd stay and she hesitantly complied with them. Goes to show you the true root of the problem with Cover, the unicorns for fans that came over from the Project 48 and other anime idol fanbases.

Ignorantcucks are literally worse than corporatecucks and indiecucks.

>>4265416
you quite funny. here some have some (you)

>>4265314
I mean yeah If she did join a company to then she would lose her model that would make her even more retarded. No one in EN gives a fuck about their previous life’s most of them weren’t even Vtubers. They literally have nothing to lose from joining Hololive. I’m just confused where people are getting this idea that they were strapped down and forced to sign a contract.

>>4265380
Suzaku - dissapointed since holostars was small as shit and he was bigger
Kaoru - got a better job
Kira - Sick
Aloe - Legit Menhera

>>4265474
See >>4264517
You guys need to quit pulling this stuff out of your asses.

>>4265491
based

>>4265474
She was likely referring to Aloe since the clip was 11 days prior to the Taiwan incident apparently.

>>4265471
Bro... Be honest, do you really believe Fubuki likes working for a company where she's nothing but a mere slave to them?

>>4265416
>"most likely"
Burden of proof is on you, nigga. The ones who left and reincarnated had only good things to say, and they could get away with hinting. The "Japanese companies all suck" line doesn't work if there's a decent amount of evidence that cover doesn't operate that way.

>>4265269
You can check aloe's words, the kaoru situation, but you won't because you prefer to believe your oshi instead for looking at the facts. You're never gonna be a real woman

>>4265508
damn i'm having a stroke typing this.

still waiting for someone to leak the nudes she sent to people when she used to play overwatch

>>4265528
That still would mean she's retarded and talking out of her ass because we know from Aloe's own words that she did not quit because of anything hololive did.

>>4265412
She would lose her twitch partnership, she wouldn't be permabanned or even banned at all, and that's only if she was streaming video games
and even if she did, she would still retain the rights to her character, all her social media would still be up and running, she could just make the full switch to youtube or whatever other streaming platform as veibae, etc etc
the online presence that she has built would remain under her control
in other words, you are retarded

>>4265513
>sick
>legit menhera
So we're using ableism as a cope for corportate tyranny? Got it.

>>4265573
No, you just need to lurk more or go back.

>>4265572
>she'd still lose all her income
ogey

For all of the newfags unaware about how Cover truly treats their clients watch Mori's T2 stream archives and never defend Cover here again. Also her roommate is definitely feeling it right now.

>>4265538
>slave
>"I promise to leave if anything gets sketchy."
Slaves don't get to make statements like that

>>4265573
Holy shit, this feels like you don't fucking belong here. Where the fuck are you coming from?

>>4264966
>hard to find fault in what she's saying

SHE LITERALLY FUCKING LIED ABOUT TALKING TO AN EX HOLO. A complete fucking fabrication. Not a single holo that got graduated, including Aloe, has said ANYTHING bad about Cover and here she is blatantly fucking lying.

>>4265603
you still make money on twitch as a non-partner, you just need affiliate for that

>>4265538
Now you're just baiting, I refuse to believe anyone could possibly be this retarded.

>>4265613
I watched her tier 5 streams and she said that Kaoru raped her after punching yagoo.

>>4265621
That's the fucking kayfabe bro. She WANTS you to believe it's OK but you never know how she's feeling inside.

>>4265491
VShojo is literally a group of friends, anon. Vei made those comments ages ago and she joined VShojo with both parties being aware of her abrasive personality and comments.

>>4263455
It's a classic situation of "blame on both sides". Vei went too hard on Cover and spoke with too much emotion (I guess news about Aloe hit her hard for some reason) and even supposedly made up a former Holo idol who contacted her, but people whiteknighting Cover right now are being equally dumb, because Cover is far from blameless. They did tons of shit that Vei didn't even mention - known instances of workplace sexual harassment, mismanagement, inability to handle any kind of a critical situation, refusal to help with hardware issues, piss-poor attempts at protecting their talent from harassment, etc. Remember the permission nightmare that nuked entire catalogs of all holos, and Subaru never recovered her streams because her manager deleted them all instead of privating?
Only complete newfags would pretend as if Cover is blameless, but Vei should not be so bullheaded either. Pride is good, but too much pride can be damaging.

>>4265538
Have you done any research at all? You do know that there were Holo Vtubers that willingly quit even when they were still on contract right? Suzaku literally left because he found Holostars not big enough and wanted to do other things.

>>4265613

>>4265649
How am I baiting when I've seen employees drive themselves insane due to keeping and saving face before leaving various corporations firsthand?

Just how unaware of the toxic corporate world are you, burger?

>>4263575
Based.

>>4265686
There's never a "too hard" on holding corporations accountable, faggot. They are the problem and they must be abolished.

>>4263575
based

>>4265528
Upon further review, the Taiwan incident occurred in late September and Veibae is said to have made her statements on October 16.

>>4265245
>Didn't do his delta reps

These meds are for you faggot.

>>4265754
By "too hard" I meant making up a former idol (unless it was Aloe, somehow). No need to lie when there's enough truth to bury Cover in it.

>>4265701
>>4265754
Anons (or anon probably), you need to leave your parents basement and get a job.

>>4265570
Oh yeah I'm not defending her just clarifying because if she was refering to the Aloe situation than that makes her statement even dumber because the situation was being caused by Niji fans rather than it being Cover's fault exclusively.

>>4265677
Learn what a rrat is before commenting retard

>>4265686
noooooooooo how dare you speak ill of the cover corporation YOU WILL PAY FOR THIS COVER IS BLAMELESS AND HOLOLIVE IS GREAT YAGOO LOVE

>>4265754
Even Vshojo?

>>4265692
>Suzaku literally left because he found Holostars not big enough and wanted to do other things.
That's called "saving face" it's a very common custom in Japan. Of course burgers won't understand.

>>4264322
Aloe...

>>4265754
Are you employed? At a real job, not some non-profit or university bullshit
Government job not applicable as well.

>>4265613
>using my oshi in a bait thread for your shallow falseflag
Kill yourself.
You don't even care about how she's feeling right now and it disgusts me that you would use her plight to further your shitty argument, I will now anti post your whore agency for the rest of this thread.

>>4265797
Blaming others for your own problems aren't we, Covercuck?
>>4265795
Fuck off. Anti-work anarchism/Human-centered capitalism is the future.

>>4265813
Vshojos not a company, its a group of friends

>>4265573
It's called research? Maybe try to understand the situations and look into it yourself sometime.

>>4265701
They're a streaming company anon, just what the hell do you think is going on behind the scenes? You think YAGOO is forcing Fubuki to do the accounting or something?

>>4265464
>>4265477
I'm not saying what they should or shouldn't do. It's solely the opinion that Veibae voiced. As for the starting again under a new name, that is the thought pattern of a consumer. An artist obviously has attachment to the work she poured her soul into. Having this belong to someone else is understandably disheartening especially from someone that couldn't bear to lose what she worked to build herself. Take what you will from it, but she's not completely wrong.

>>4265677
>>4265860
You dont work much with people, dont you?
People have torn each other appart for less and being (internet) friends really doesnt help at all. Mostly ends in even more drama as you get more personal attacks.

>>4265809
How can it even be considered a rrat in the first place? At least try to come up with something better.

>>4265860
They are most certainly categorized as at least an LLC.

>>4265813
Vshojo isn't a corporation

>>4265813
Not a legitimate corporation. More or less a circle of friends on Twitch that are marketed as the go-to group there.
>>4265837
Self-employed manager of an IWW chapter in the UK.
>>4265840
Of course I care when she says she wants to re-do it all, mate. She clearly made a mistake and her real career is as a musician. With the Mori fame, she definitely expanded so I could see much bigger things on the horizon for her regardless.

>>4265820
>That's called "saving face" it's a very common custom in Japan. Of course burgers won't understand.
Shittalking Japanese culture? And implying western culture is better? That sounds like racism, anarchist-kun.

>>4265860
It's a company, but it's reputation and integrity are looser than it's talent's pussies

>>4265854
>Fuck off. Anti-work anarchism/Human-centered capitalism is the future.
this bait is too obvious

>>4265876
>You think YAGOO is forcing Fubuki to do the accounting or something?
That's actually a plausible rrat. I seriously doubt Fubuki is at all 100% of how she presents herself, so there's definitely some dirt with her and management.

>>4265939
kek.

>>4265860
OH NONONONONO

>>4265916
>all the seething wagies itt
shouldn't you be at work earning me money so i can watch vtubers in my bed?

>>4265860

One of the founders of Twitch didnt create it to be a fun hang out for DA GIRLS

>>4264339
>Vei lies out her ass (talking to ex-Holo idols)
>her fans lie out their ass to defend her ('in response to the Taiwan incident")
Fans reflecting their oshi as usual

>>4265931
>Shittalking
It's the truth though. Sometimes the Japs can't be helped with their toxic work environs so it's now on us to bring this to attention on the international level until they fix the glaring problems that set them back compared to the rest of the industrialised world.

I don't make the rules, y'know

>>4265906
how far along the spectrum are you?

>>4265996
I don't work though.

>>4264948
This post, this whole thread is why I'm glad the collab got cancelled, retards don't even know the true reasons why Aloe left and that Veibae bitch did a good job reinforcing that narrative

>>4265686
I'm all up for shitting on Cover for being incompetent. I have literally never seen someone say Cover is spotless in this whole debacle. The crux of the issue is that people are pissed that Vei made false statements not that she doesn't like how corporate Vtubers are run or that Cover is just being shittalked themselves.

This whole thread is why White women shouldn’t be Vtubers.

>>4264550
It's interesting to see the nips perspective on it. I guess they don't care as much when it doesn't concern their JP talents

>>4265881
They aren't artist but performers. If you work at Disneyland and were the Goofy suit, you don't keep the suit when you quit. You don't understand or respect the concept of private property. If you stay in my home for a week, that doesn't mean you now a part owner.
>>4265916
>manager of an IWW chapter in the UK.
>https://iww.org.uk/
So, you're a fucking union boss and not an actual industrial worker, right?

>>4266073
>slavs
>white

>>4266021
Vei sounded pretty honest in her assessments, mate.

>>4265854
>Movements that inherently deprive themselves of resources and are seen as the dregs of society are the future.

>>4266073
>Veibae
>white

>>4265701
Has it occurred to you that businesses don't run the exact same way as each other all the time.

>>4266100
So, what holo did she talk to?

>>4266089
That is correct. I'm also involved in several NGOs across Europe.

>>4265860
>>4265914
>>4265916
Looks like no one told them that. They even have managers.

>>4264948
See? This is why Veibae talking about her opinion with her garbage research is terrible and should be called out for. Now you have this idiot believing Veibae's statement about a talent at Hololive that left talking about being mistreated.

>>4265996
>he doesn't get paid six figures to shitpost on 4chan and watch chuubas

>>4266149
Please fuck off, commie scum.

>>4266104
Doesn't exist. Resources will always be made available, but global scarcity prevents them from being obtained.

>>4266158
oh nonono vshishow bro why don't you tell me.

>>4266100
Can Veibae even speak Japanese?

>>4264251
It was already ruined anyway because of Melody.

>>4265497
I mean sure, you can take it any way you want. My point was that they can quit if they want to. Not sure how much that video proves my point, but it's there, coming from one of their members.

>>4266149
Either excellent bait or you're literal cancer.

>>4266134
Most likely Aloe/Delta

>>4266235
Do you really believe that? Are you seriously that retarded?

>>4263455
She would own up to it and repeat it instead of censoring it if that were the case.

>>4263575
anon, the way you're supposed to say it is:
>you're supposed to take as much equity as you can from the company when you leave your job

>>4266210
She's quite fluent in it if you watch her streams.

>>4266219
Her fans should have listened to her instead of demand she stay though. That's more or less the problem with the virtual and idol industry. The gachikoi ultimately hold you back when it comes to your true feelings and wishes.

>>4266235
>Most likely Aloe/Delta
She spoke to Aloe even though Aloe was ghosting everyone for months on end?
She spoke to Aloe even though she can't speak Japanese?
Can't you use your brain for one second?

>>4265854
Research. Have you ever tried it?

>>4264966
There was never any stigma in the first place. I stopped atching Vpoojo because quality dropped. Guess what? Covers quality rarely drops if EVER. Why? Because they own the talent and expect them to work hard. I can understand that veibea wants to flash her panties on screen or whatever but when are people going to understand this is basically a step above working in a strip club or being an actor?

>>4266258
Given Vei's level of Japanese I would not rule it out entirely.

>>4266288
kek.

Everything posted here is literally "SOURCE: DUDE TRUST ME" and other retarded shit. This thread is one gigantic bait, and everyone keeps falling for it.

so why do vshojo anons even bother to make threads here when they can just make one on aco with significantly less trolling and drama

>>4266288
>She spoke to Aloe even though Aloe was ghosting everyone for months on end?
Probably not true what happened at that
>She spoke to Aloe even though she can't speak Japanese?
Vei's pretty fluent in Japanese, mate.

>>4266315
The toxic work environs in both Japan and the idol industry are an objective truth, however. Also, the admitted kayfabe being another objective truth.

>>4266089
>They aren't artist but performers.
If only it was that easy. They might cover themselves and be nudged along a specific path that they wouldn't take with their individual freedom (for the better and for the worst) but Vtubers are much more than performers. They pour themselves into the character and very rarely actually play them. It's their own personality and quirks that attracts an audience to them, not just Billy that wants to see Goofy. If there was a single Goofy costume in the world and you were the only person wearing the costume having thousands of people listening to your stories, playing games with you and interacting with you, wouldn't you be Goofy ? Let's be honest here, the amount of vtuber actually roleplaying are pretty small: it's almost always the artist herself with a small layer of decorum for the stream or collab. Do you find it really difficult to believe that there is a much stronger bond with the character than a mascot wearing a costume at Disneyland ? Just take a look a Hachama and how this stuff affected her. I'm convinced that she could leave and be just as successful, but it's difficult to leave a piece of yourself behind.

>>4266281
>>4266309
Is that why she uses google translate for everything?

>>4266337
So fluent she needs Deepl, kek!

>>4265654
Actually Fubuki doesn't wanna be friends with her fans, she wanna fuck everyone one of them. She's an actual slut, she personally sent me a DM saying that, believe me bro.

>>4266337
I talked to Vei. All of these are false

>>4266331
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I MUST MAKE ANOTHER KIARA SLIDE THREAD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>4265245
So half these people are underage faggots who think they aren't talking to adults right?

>>4266377
ogey

>fluent
absolute state of vcuckold.

>>4265573
YES. IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO WORK YOU DON'T GET PAID. Fuck off out of here with your made up words.

>>4266331
It's probably the discord extension /pmg/ on /aco/ themselves. Discordniggers just cant stop themselves from whiteknighting and acting superior. That place should have been burned a long time ago.

>>4266386
Why are you evading a common custom of Japanese work culture by retorting to silly fallacies as a cope? I've noticed this a shitton since I don't normally address non-argument copes, but this one sticks out in particular as nothing but pure ignorance on how it all actually works.

>>4266405

do you enjoy the state of your threads as is?

>>4265916
>mate
I'm not your mate, asshole.
>she clearly made a mistake and her real career is as a musician.
You know nothing about what she's been through and what she's sacrificed to get to this point. If you actually cared you wouldn't be using her to slander Cover.
There are of course things she wishes she could go back and do better or do different but Hololive has been nothing but a boon for her. I will agree that the corporate restrictions and permissions are dog shit, but the mere fact that she's able to live in Japan and do what she loves full time should attest to how much she owes to Hololive.
So again I say, kill yourself.

>>4266445
Why are the most successful countries in the world ahead of the curve on unemployment and welfare benefits then? Are burgers this delusional that the entire world is like their dystopic hellhole of a global hegemon?

>>4266488
holy fuck deadbeats are insufferable

>>4263455
>any attention is good even negative attention
>even if I have to lie and stir up drama to get it
Ah, western attention-whore mindset, isn't it great?

>>4266488
Mori Love!

>>4266337

Mori lives in Japan and got assblasted by Coco for her poor grasp on the language. I am doubtful shes more fluent than Mori.

>>4266488
Explain why she (Karen of course) regrets joining Hololive then, fag. Sounds more like you're just willing to see her suffer in corporate hell and not willing to see her truly spread her wings.

And when Aloe quit Hololive, she didn't have to restart from 0. She had more Hololive simps than before. lol.

1 iq faggot.

>>4265860
>>4265754
Lol holy shit kid you need to be 18 to post here. Not even a communist would accept this bullshit.
>>4266149
>>4265916
I hate people like you. You do nothing to help the little guy and do nothing but organize with corporations against the worker.

>>4266499
Then move to Cuba, faggot. Nothing is stopping you from doing so.

>>4266537
Who asked about Coco and Mori? We're talking about Vei and the fact that she regularly communicates with her Japanese viewers in Japanese with ease.

>>4263686
this and only this >>4263888
>Oh, so she's just butthurt that her words caught up to her and she can't use hololive to chase clout and extra donations anymore.
she didn't "change her mind" lmao
any retard that thinks this is a delusional fag that sucks shit out of my anus

>>4266560
Sounds like it'd be pretty based ngl

>>4266545
when did she said she regret it again

>>4266545
When has she clearly said that? If you say the roommate post don't. Not only is it extremely vague but people are piecing together it may be referring to taxes, IRS, other such things.

>>4266378
It's simple really. The company doesn't want to invest time and money into someone and then allow them to take that fully matured investment(the chuuba) and leave the company while continuing to profit off of that company's influence. Countries hate China for their constant abuse and theft of intellectual property and rightly so.

In regards to Haato, she is kayfabing like crazy and probably also needs therapy. You're being too sentimental over a job.

>>4266550
>You do nothing to help the little guy and do nothing but organize with corporations against the worker.
Are we gonna pretend chudservatives aren't corporate bootlickers again?
>>4266606
Roommate post.

Veibae is now live on twitch.tv with Conker's Bad Fur Day!
Hatewatchers welcome!
https://www.twitch.tv/veibae

>>4266071
That's what I'm saying. Vei should've been more honest, /vt/ should lick less boots.

>>4266071
Precisely. You need to go further than how Vei framed it. Corporate VTubing is the problem and it must be abolished.

>>4264922
you mean Vel is a genuine cum gaggling whore?
shes not playing a character?

>>4266644
>Hatewatchers welcome!
She ain't even worth that.

>>4265245
When an actor quits they don't get to take a character they played with them, retard

>>4266665
You're right, vshojo should be the first to go

>>4266644
>Lists her two biggest paypigs in the channel rules
Gross

>>4266665
Like vshojo!

>>4266644
Why the FUCK is she streaming it before Doggo?

>>4266665
Let's start with Vshojo then shall we ? https://www.vshojo.com/

>>4266629
>Roommate post.
You realize that could mean ANYTHING, right? You stupid fucking retard? She's been having health issues and putting off going to the doctor for like a fucking month now as well as still pushing herself like an ape, it could be referring to that too. You have NO CLUE what she means by that and you should kill yourself for even trying to pin it on just one thing.

>>4266644

i own BFD and have finished it twice. I think its overrated, feels unfinished and the toilet humor get grating, in my opinion hurts the gameplay overall. The Xbox remaster is argueably even worse since its censored. In my opinion one of the worst games RARE ever made while they were still themselves.

>>4266602
>Cuba is good
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I had a communist friend who went to Cuba, and he stopped being one
Man this people are stupid as fuck

>>4266705
>>4266714
Not a real corporation. See
>>4265677
>>4265860
>>4265916

>>4266735
let's goooooooo

>>4266665
You mean like Vshojo?

>>4266644
>(I don't speak it but I have a lot of Japanese viewers that will try their best to communicate!)

What were the retards in this thread saying again?

>>4266758
>Burger filtered by true freedom
Why do Americans hate free healthcare?

>>4266618
I know how a company works, anon. It doesn't mean that the results of their mostly logical bureaucratic decisions are free of criticism. I know you really, truly enjoy their products. So do I. But it doesn't mean what she said was wrong in any form. There's Pros and there's Cons as with anything and both are and should be free to be scrutinized. Cover has demonstrated impressive talents on some facets and horrible flaws on others. It's perfectly fine to discuss it or at the very least not hate someone for doing it.

>>4266749
pretty much.

>>4266771
Vshojo is legally an established company.

>>4266806
How many times do you need to be reminded that VShojo is not a corporation, but just a group of friends on Twitch that are marketed as popular?

>>4266288
People keep misunderstanding what she actually said, she said that some talents came and spoke that hololive was a terrible company or something, not that she had talked with someone personally. She probably saw that clip of Aloe that got her cancelled when she talked about doxxing and stuff and she, being retarded, thought she was talking about hololive.

>>4266771
see
>>4266735
>>4266158

>>4266771
>Sure, they have a CEO, trademark, and staff members but they're not a company! They're just a group of friends!

>>4266771
you fuckers ignore this one >>4265989

>>4266545

this is nene's fault

>>4266895
don't drag my wife into this you nigga.

>>4266771
Hololive is more of a group of friends than vshojo, about 80% of the holos had a friend in before getting in

>>4263455
yes, from the perspective a content creator
you guys are idolfag retards who have only had wagie jobs
look at it from the same perspective of being a musician or filmmaker

your netflix contract expires and then they delete your movie or your sony records contract expires and they delete all your music? it's a bs situation

>>4266811
>Cuba
>Freedom
>free healthcare
choose one

>>4263888
>she's just butthurt
Aren't you all butthurt because she said something you didn't like? Put the whole "it's all about the truth" and "she's changing her tune for personal gain" shit aside. Why are you all so obsessed with shit she said a year ago? Why does it generate such a disgusted reaction from you? Just say she's wrong and move on. Why can't you move on? You are all whiteknighting for girls who don't even know you exist. Stop defending Hololive and Cover to death.

>>4266849
You do know they could have just stayed a group like you said but instead they decided to go office and literally become a legal established company with managers and such right?

>>4266865
Ok, let's take your interpretation. I now ask you this friend. Point me to what hololive talents said that cover is a bad company that mistreats their idols. Source. If you can't then her spreading rrats isn't some kind of far fetched idea.

>>4266941
ogey retardchama

>>4266951
Actions have consequences.

>>4266832

Vshojo is about as much of a company as Burnell Enterprises.

>>4266951
>zero trash
literally don't need to read.

>>4266865
"They literally support a terrible company. After the actual idol that have left Hololive talked about it, and the way they were treated, keep defending it, dude"

>>4266951
Nobody cared until she decided to leech from hololive

>>4266941
You are retarded.

>>4266681
but anon you'll get to be offended at her saying the words penis and vagina IN REAL TIME

https://files.catbox.moe/6lbq01.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/6lbq01.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/6lbq01.mp4

>>4264659
reddit is that way

>>4266811
>(((free))) healtchare
You pay for it with taxes, retard.

>>4266941
retard comparison.

>>4266951
Stop defending Vshojo girls to death then. Jesus fuck. Froot shouldn't have cheated on her husband. What a fucking whore.

>>4266951
It was put into the forefront when Vshojo and Hololive decided to collab with each other. It likely wouldn't be a problem if Vei and Nyanners pulled out of the collab and Vei addressing it by basically doubling down on her stance just as Vshojo was about to collab.

>>4266545
>some days I just wanna re-do it all, lol.
As I said before she's been through and sacrificed a lot to get to the point she is now. You can't do that without regretting something.
You're assumption that it has to do with cover is a schizo rrat produced by the corporate boogeyman living rent free in your head.
>you're just willing to see her suffer in corporate hell and not willing to see her truly spread her wings
It's amazing you think it's like that when her own words show it to be on the contrary, how ironic.
If you actually cared you would let her have her break in peace, she deserves it.

>>4266941
Ah, like they kicked out Mel, Akiroze and Choco because their contract expired and they weren't making enough money. Even deleted all their streams, didn't they?

>>4264614
That makes it ok?

>>4266986
No, it's because you don't like the truth

>>4266951
Disliking Veibae's retarded comments and refusal to backdown from them isn't the same thing as defending Cover.

>>4267135
Yes it is. Because you love Hololive so much. God, all of you are pathetic.

>>4267098
>naming active streamers and pretending graduation doesn't exist

this is a royalties issue, not a numbers issue

>>4267127
She said rrats... she broke containment and shat on vtubers. That's enough to stay miffed.

>>4264136
>and that their personas are entirely handwritten by sweaty old Japanese men
How is this different from anime as a whole? Most anime these days is just long commercials for the source material and merch. In the end it's all about profit no matter the angle.

This thread is a few anons baiting and others anons taking it happily. There are also newfags involved