/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>42571614
They are probably tired of it, being a completely different person when streaming takes a toll on the brain.
Some can still keep the kayfabe going though like Fauna, Gura or Kiara.

>>42571797
>being a completely different person when streaming
lol
lmao even

>>42571614
Didn't Finana lose a considerable amount of her viewers for that ? To the point where she pretty much had to resort to doing softcore porn ASMR to even begin to staunch the bleeding ?

>>42571614
please buy her engagement ring

>>42571797
Gura does not count, since she can only keep it up by not streaming

>>42571614
How could you look at Twitter, Reddit, and /here/ and not hate the fans? That’s the real question

>>42571614
Whores will do anything for money, but Finana fail even at being a whore.

They're progressives from a hugbox

>>42571797
>Kiara is a completely different person, when she streams
Lol
Rumao even, she is just being herself...

>>42571614
They've been deluded into thinking they're actually interesting or entertaining enough to earn the amount of money they do. The harsh reality is that most streamers only make money as companionship simulators and they resent it.

>>42571844
Yep, she’s a 3view now with half of what she used to earn. Her fans barely participate on any projects now

>>42571833
You actually expect any of these vtuber to be genuine? They are playing a character the fans wants to see.
You expect Fauna is a mommy panderer in real life? Or that Mumei is pure and autistic? It's all about the character they pull off.

>>42571888
Fair enough

>>42571947
I dunno, I masturbated to her lewd ASMR a few times.

>>42571614
JP tubers are professionals. EN tubers are poisoned by progressivism and call out culture and are just basically dysfunctional idiots because of it.

https://files.catbox.moe/lq4d3e.mp4

>>42571975
I never said anything about Kiara. Impressive she never had a breaking point.

>>42572031
You just have a lowbar of what’s considered good

>>42571614
I love how people are still equating the female friends question (which actually is not what was said, she asked if people had friends of the opposite sex) with shit like "educate yourselves."

>>42571614
You know they don't hate all of their fans, right?
Only some of them, you know who you are.

>>42571877
I will buy everyone elses except hers just to show how little respect I have for her.

>>42571877
Why is the face blurred out like a rape victim

>>42572150
Even Enna's? That's worse than Finana in my opinion.
Only Rosemi makes sense

>>42572065
almost as good as mori stopping early collabs to thank for superchats.

>>42572065
jesus christ how does this woman have 2m subs while being so painfully unfunny. Vtuber fans really do deserve to be looked down on.

>>42571877
>green haired girl
>engagement ring
>in February
yeah I know what happens next

>>42571980
If that's true tell them not to worry because all the top Twitch streamers are friend simulators

>>42572255
Remember when she held up the halloween collab?

>>42572531
What do you mean? It's brand new merchandise!

>>42571844
>>42571877
Imagine buying a ring like this when she’s still doing stuff with groomers in her Valorant discord

>>42572104
NTA, but recommend better English ones then

Turns out Ame actually has the most integrity out of everyone, how about that

>>42572590
Was that her single thing?

>>42572677
jej

>>42572677
lol
lmao even

>>42572765
>>42572842
cope and seethe

>>42571614
>>L + Ratio your parasocial fucks
the dumb feesh is dumber than a highschool dropout

>>42572992
Based Shonder
https://files.catbox.moe/5ecisi.mp4

>>42572065
Her pretending not to hear Ina also being sarcastic is so funny

>>42571614
The simple reason is not knowing the community.
The assumption is that we're not very masculine and have sympathy for the radical left.
It's impossible to respect the fanbase if you think they're like that.
Reality shows something different though, the fanbase is hypermasculine and not very political.

>>42573233
unironically this

>>42571614
Giving the delusional freaks of your fanbase a reality check isn't bullying them. You should follow their advice and touch some grass.

>>42574071
Exactly, this is why Holomems will play Hogwarts Legacy

>>42573233
>not very political
Sure are hyperstupid

>>42574272
It's been the most common trait of anime fans since Obama years

>>42572065
actually based on her part

>>42571614
Acting loving towards their fans and going all "*kiss* I love you guys so much" doesn't come natural for them like it does for some JPs.
They're all just putting on an act, they don't actually like their fans or the kind of guy that watches anime girls. They're in it for the money and put up with you.

>>42574416
That's just what this guy said but less detailed>>42573233

>>42572104
Recommend English AVTubers then.

>>42572150
BASADO

>>42571614
the answer is really simple: they can't keep up the act. They know that the recipe for success is giving your fans what they want and in this community that means keeping up with people's loneliness and fantasies. So they do that in the beginning and make good money, but as the months go on they feel emancipated enough to try to fuck this system or maybe they are just tired of playing the character. In most of this cases they fail like Finana or Kronii, they don't understand that the fans don't want a normal streamer with a 2D avatar, they want the illusion and the parasocial relationship. I'm actually glad this happens so the real professionals (just a few examples: Fauna, Kiara, Pomu, Rosemi) can do their job even better.

>>42572220
That was me. Sorry.

>>42574685
>they want the illusion and the parasocial relationship
It's far more to do with everything else that exists in entertainment than it is that.
All they need to do is keep the fucked up things from regular media out of the stream, that is what people need escapism from.

>>42574766
Pretty much this, the ones that fail the hardest are the ones that don't understand why real men need escapism from the modern world.
It just so happens, that some men are weebs.

I wouldn't even mind them saying "I don't want you to think of me as your gf or anything like that, I'm just a streamer okay?" if so many of them didn't then also try to collect the money from those parasocial people.
Like they say that then simultaneously release GFE ASMR or go all lovey-dovey, it's fucking retarded. Make up your mind on what you want to be at least.

>>42571797
Vtubers do seem to get tired of putting on a fake persona and even in holoEN most of them gradually drift away from their kayfabe.

>>42571614
Aren't even some lovey dovey GFE JPs like Lamb cooling off of the act? Just seems like the industry is returning to the mean in a post-pandemic world.

>>42572992
>>42573076
>Everyone was kneeling out of respect.

>>42574685
>they can't keep up the act
You just said yourself it's not an act for all of them.

>>42574842
That'd be the equivalent of an Only Fans girl saying she doesn't want to have sex with any of her fans. Both parties should intrinsically know this but there's people that can't separate the fantasy from reality and will take it a step too far. You can tell most vtubers genuinely love the culture and entertaining people/letting th be a person they indulge in but there's a line that needs be established.

>>42573233
>>42574766
Only these people seem to understand it

>>42574842
ultimately this is a very good job for them which makes good money, so they have those kind of behaviors to make cash and then proceed to complain about it. They want all the pros and not the cons, it's the usual human mentality all over again

>>42573233
Sorry, but you watch anime, play video games and gossip about youtube girls. You're not hyper masculine and getting tilted over politics means you obviously care about it

>>42575092
I don't watch anime. I watched anime as a child.
I don't play video games, I played video games as a child.
I don't gossip.
You can make those assertions about yourself and that is fair to do so but you're not the average.

>>42573233

>>42572707
That was for her song

>>42575142
based

>>42575142
I think it's fair to assume that a person who doesn't indulge in either of those things as a hobby but does watch anime girls play video games is the one who is not average

>>42575092
>lets listen to a tranny on what makes a man masculine

In Japan many of these vtubers are girls who themselves are interested in idols, manga, anime, etc.
In the west most of the vtubers are doing it ironically. Everything here in the west has to be drenched in some kind of self-deprecating irony, no one is actually able to legitimately feel one way or another about something.
It's all one big ironic weeb pepe spamming shit fiesta where people for eample ironically post lolis while going "lol FBI xd"

>>42571614
they're terminally online while also having a very inflated sense of self importance. In other words, they're e-girls. Anything other than praise is harassment but too much praise is also harassment. Also give me more money.

You know it's western e-girl syndrome because JP and ID both lack this problem.

>>42575263
Kek pretty much, he probably thinks it's gay to watch the girls sing and dance

>>42575246
No one who watches vtubers are. That's why beggars trying to act like chads is so ridiculous.

>>42575246
That's exactly why I said hypermasculine instead of masculine

>>42573233
>seething about an anime girl saying something that could be potentially interpreted as a slight insult months ago
>hypermasculine

>>42575364
>he's seething sisters, he just HAS to be

>>42575352
Just say autistic

>>42572065
How on earth do people stand Mori? She is the one chuuba I've ever seen that I cannot for the life of me fathom even one reason for people to like her. She is so uniquely awful I cannot figure out what people see in her. I can even see why people like Nijifish, despite everything.

>>42573233
How does any of this shit have anything to do with the "radical left"? What does masculinity have to do with this? The girls had moments where they overreacted, but a lot of the "drama" that triggered their meltdowns was sparked by situations that no one outside of the really hardcore unicorns even cared about

>>42575395
I have compassion for the people in the community that are like that.
Maybe if you felt that way for people in your own community, they wouldn't be acting out on the internet all the time.

>>42575440
I'm pretty sure that every single person who's an actual fan of her is also a fan of her elsewhere, it's not just a meme
They don't care about the holo idol part

>>42575443
>How does any of this shit have anything to do with the "radical left"?
Every single piece of entertainment in the west is basically propaganda at this point.
Hololive was literally the only thing in 2020 that was a break from it. There is only so many times people can rewatch old shows.

>>42575567
Wait until you see Chinese produced movies/shows

>>42575594
>what about

>>42572338
most of her subs are from her music videos
her ccvs aren't as large

>>42572233
Only Pomu's makes sense cause it's an actual item representativr of Pomu.
That said, I have no idea how to use a hairpin

>>42575388
That's the purpose of the thread, so I assume he is

>>42572645
Didn't the groomer discord cause the whole banning "trap" thing?
You'd think she'd cut ties after that backlash, but Feesh do be dumb, I guess.

>>42575567
Nothing they're doing is pushing a radical leftist agenda though, they're not a disney/marvel movie, they don't have a token gay kiss or trans character, people here are just freaking the fuck out about males and females interacting as coworkers

>>42572065
the funniest part of this is the envy ina has for mori's chat since she hates her own

>>42575443
Have you not been watching Nijisanji EN?
Those girls are fucking toxic.

>>42575694
No shit you're assuming, do you ever respond to something that doesn't involve your fantasies?
When I call your post cope, it's because the content of it.
Engage with the content of his post.
>>42575736
retard

>>42575092
Bro I can bench two plate.
I cna guarantee the poster behind your post can't
Even if you hit me up with some bullshit like "I've trained in MMA", I could still clock your ass any day.
Thus, I can authoritatively say, I like cute anime girls that act proper and don't sandbag for whatever leftist regime happens to have power on any given day

>>42575791
How is 2022 HoloEN pushing a radical agenda?

>>42575904
Never stated that

>>42575904
He was literally just saying that a large portion of the people that found hololive were seeking seclusion from a politically turbulent time

>>42575293
Weebshit isn't a quantifier. Petra has the highest power level, and she's still low tier. Not offensive, but people would still watch yabbers over her.
Selen has a dastardly low power level, but she's the best talent in NijiEN thus far, and has zero yabs.

>>42571614
>Why be a vtuber if you have this much contempt for the community?
Money.

>>42575293
> Ironically does job
> Unironically wants a paycheck
God these women make me sick.
EN vTubing was a mistake.

What the fuck are you people even saying

>>42576081
If English isn't your first language, don't get involved in discussions. You're not needed.

>>42575092
Hypermasculine doesn't mean what you are imagining, it's describing shit like the kinsey test and how they are wired and not some sort of herculean caricature.

The basic way to explain it is that male vtuber fans tend to just be average men with average male interests.
The issue anon is bringing up is how for some reason, a very loud minority of terminally online vtuber fans are not typically masculine.
Vtubers unfortunately have a distorted view of their own fanbases due to this.

It's less evident in the big corpo's, but if you watch EN indies you start seeing how these vtubers treat their audience like they are non-binary coomers who are obsessed about politics and gender expression because there a 3-4 loud voices in their audience that donate a message about trans rights, futa and bussy.
The reality is that most of the vtuber audience are actually just normal men whose politics are "don't care I dont vote" and whose most deviant fetish is overwatch porn

>>42575977
That's understandable but HoloEN still haven't pushed any sort of politics to this day and are still friendly to people seeking refuge from it

>>42576168
Sure but what he was implying with such a statement is that if recognised for who they were, the chuubas would respect them.
Like what >>42576140
is saying

>>42576140
True and based

>>42575875
hey, i am not the anon you talking to, but every time someone brag about muscles, i want to tell them guns exist. You can be the biggest motherfucker but turn into the biggest pussy once a gun is pulled, or you can be "brave" and dare them, which in that case you just get shot, bullet don't care about your ego and pride. Sometime you don't even need a gun, there is a video of two group fighting, 1 guy pulled a knife, this big guy go up to him daring him and calling knife guy pussy, knife guy took only one stab in the neck, got the artery, big guy stand there holding his blood gushing neck like an idiot, fall down and go unconscious 30 seconds later and died on the ambulance. So yea, your two plate don't mean shit, dont be an ego idiot, pride is not worth death or life altering injuries.

This thread isn't going well sisters, lets move on to the next one. Hopefully less men are around

>>42576603
this isn't twitter whore

>>42571614
a certain kind of person wants the glamour and attention that vtubing provides but simultaneously refuses to acknowledge that para is the other side of that coin, and it cannot really be removed from the concept

>>42571614
qrd what did finana say

>>42571614
I still don't understand why these vtubers get hate for a single sentence but Gura, Ina, IRyS and alikes... don't get shit despite they go weeks on end without streaming.

You fucking retards need to understand...
When a vtuber goes weeks and months without streaming,... they are basically telling you "Fuck you, you mean so little to me you're not worth a couple hours of my day". Despite streaming being their job, despite earning possibly millions from it, despite their morons fans plastered their faces in public spaces and sent them money, despite being a easy job that takes less hours than any 9 to 5 job.

There's no vtuber who hates their fans the most, than the ones that don't stream.

>>42577186
>whataboutism

>>42577186
Look at Kronii, who got hate for shit she never even said.

>>42577257
>Literally doesn't know anything about Hololive
>Please give her benefit of the doubt though

>>42577300
Take your complaints to Yagoo who apparently did not put knowledge of the company as a requirement for getting in.

>>42577337
What the fuck are you talking about, how many estrogen pills do I need to pop to understand what you're trying to say?

>>42577257
>um akshually she wasn't talking badly about idol culture, she was just talking badly about a very central aspect of idol culture, that's like, totally different dude!
kill yourself clockcuck

>>42571614
>Donate/Sub
>Doesn't shout out or even acknowledge
Dopaminecucked again

>conveniently omitting the fact the "do you not have female friends" line was specifically directed at catalogfags who sent supas insinuating they were in a relationship now that they were on a stream where there was a guy

a better question is why does /vt/ seethe so hard over these comments? just because you think it's ok to act like a retarded incel doesn't mean that the rest of society should agree

sniff out the e-whores better before picking your oshi next time, it'll save you some heartbreak

>>42577833
No JP chuuba ever told me to have sex

>>42571614
a lot of indies love their communities just have to find the good ones!

>>42577995
because you wouldn't understand them if they did

>>42577833
>seethe
All it did was reassure me that my choices on who to watch was correct.
It's a valid thing to discuss, "why do these girls think im like this?"

>>42577833
/vt/ is made up of people who were too thin-skinned for /pol/

>>42577391
Can you follow the conversation that you initiated? Apparently not. "But I did have breakfast yesterday!" Etc.
>>42577466
She didn't talk badly about any part of idol culture at all, you are just putting words in her mouth that she never said. You can see what she wrote. It isn't private. We all have it saved. Go join the 41%.

>>42578036
Love is the universal language

>>42578036
>いく!いく!いく!
I know enough
>>42578132
You are literally spewing out jargon

>>42578058
>SEAnigger shitposts once
I FUCKING KNEW IT DIRTY FUCKING SEANIGGER RANGE BAN SEA
>the vast majority of /vt/ only exists to manufacture drama and jerk off over numbers
NOOOOO NOT ME THOUGH I'M NOT LIKE THAT ITS JUST A FEW BAD APPLES! NOT ALL FANS!!

this is you

>>42578201
Meds

>>42578201
You need to go back

>>42575791
I was engaging with the content of his post.
He claimed that the vtuber audience is hypermasculine. I disputed this claim using the behavior of some people in this thread as an example.

>>42580040
only thing clear is that you write like a mary

>>42578178
not their fault, your brain can't even handle having simple reading comprehension.

>>42580273
>calls himself they

>>42577833
Why do vtubers seethe so hard when I tell them to entertain me and keep in character?

Here's a little fact for you idiots. None of them hate their fanbases at large despite people conflating particular actions as such. They hate a very specific group of people who happen to be prevalent here in particulal.

>>42582676
This guy isn't great at spelling, by here he was trying to write twitter

>>42582676
The poors dears hate accountability. Boo hoo.

>>42582423
there are bad workers everywheren, the only difference here is that they can complain to thousands of people to make it seem like they are not at fault

>>42571614
I can't agree with any of the hate for finana, she seems too young and naive to understand how dumb it is to post political stuff, give her a break anons

>>42571614
Remember when this video was the norm? https://youtu.be/Vazl5U86uaQ
We've fallen so far past that point. It would have been unthinkable to do what elira did just two years ago. You can't even make these bait clips anymore because of how changed the entire culture is. People really just want to look for an excuse to be mean.

>>42571614
I hate their fans too, so I get it desu.

>>42578226
>>42578425
>Can't actually refute the post because they know its true deep-down
Ah if only it were possible for /vt/umours to have an ounce of self-reflection.

>>42583046
She's an adult woman bro, people eternally seething over this is cringe, but I'm tierd of the other side (and majority of the internet as a whole) deciding to treat all people under 25 as if they were 12.

>>42583530
>refute the post
The retard is literally screeching autistic nonsense.
You tell us anon, what point he made that needs to be refuted?

>>42583642
The point being that you will shit on SEANiggers for being retarded shitposters when you continuously prove that you are no better than them and will seethe like a bunch a retards as well the very moment a chuuba does something you do not like or dares go against the unicorns

>>42583899
You don't know a thing about what I post about, thats why I told you to take meds.

>>42575293
why do people say western chuubas are irony? IronMouse is the only one and I dont think she made of metal

>>42571614
>western chuubas hate /vt/ faggots
>I hate /vt/ faggots
WE ARE...

>>42571614
Note: All of those girls are from North America

>>42584722
>thinks its about this board
go back

>>42583046
If you're an adult you're exempt from the "she's too young to understand" cope.

>>42573233
>The assumption is that we're not very masculine
This is true, you clowns are literally just women

>>42587394
learn what literally means.

>>42583046
Anon I say this as a Ryuguard, but "Being too young" isn't an excuse, she's already an adult. Is she ridiculously naive? Definitely, but at this point in her life she should've already developed some kind of common sense to think for herself before taking a stance.

>>42588007
The fish lacks all sorts of common sense though desu

>>42587999
>I have no rebuttal, so I'll just play a semantics game
It means to speak without exaggeration, which is exactly what I'm doing. I'm not exaggerating when I call you a woman. You simply act exactly like one.

Any vtuber that lashes out at their fans for stupid shit like that is a very clear indication that said vtuber is equally as much of a fucking loser or more than the people they're lashing out against. You cannot be that mentally weak and still pretend you're better than others. You cannot act like hot shit when the only reason you even have fans is because you managed to become a corporate vtuber in the first place. Any and all that hate the fact that people watch them as gf simulators or just friend simulators and can't handle it and even resent it should not have auditioned to become a corporate vtuber to begin with.

>>42588030
For sure, it's pitiable, but there's only so much pity someone can give to an adult being dumb.

>>42575440
this but Kiara

>>42588628
I wasn’t even the anon initially talking to you, but you literally don’t know what literally means. You mean figuratively. Literally literally means the opposite of that.

idk i just hate women

>>42571614
Western streamers don't want to accept that streaming is just a job. It's suppose to be "better" then a job. It's suppose to be easy money. Those happy comments they get are suppose to be evidence that they actually made a difference in the world even though if they never existed those same happy comments would have just gone to one of a million other streamers doing the exact same thing, empty noise made to distract people for a little while in exchange for money.

>>42571614
>zoomer's mom tells him to improve himself, study and make friends
>GO AWAY MOM
>stranger on the internet hidong behind anime avatar demanding money tells him the exact same thing
>WOAH that's so deep... I wish somebody had told me these things sooner...

>>42597216
sick meme from boomer twitter

>>42572031
NijiEN management is an embarrassment.

>>42577833
Kill yourself.

>>42571614
gura love her fans

>>42599172
... Anon, I...

>>42571614
Because you can litterally make millions. That alone is reason enough

>>42572677
What was the ame drama? Still don't get it

>>42574685
To be honest, I don't think anyone can keep it up if it's fully an act. If you don't love hat you're doing, you'll break. It's an inevitability. Those who I've seen succeed long term at least seem to truly enjoy streaming and interacting with their audience

>>42574842
They won't do that because this is one of the most lucrative jobs per hours of work imaginable. You'd be an idiot to give it up

>>42571614
Ame was right. Teamates need to be stronger if they want a chance at marriage.
The less popular dragon was not critical of parasocialness. She literally said not to pay her.
Kronii is just retarded.


Feesh is the only real culprit as she does insanely parasocial stuff while crying about it

>>42596968
not wrong, but very bleak way of looking at things

>>42597447
Nta
So who duped you out of your money? Andrew tate, Jordan Peterson or some other youtubet

>>42572531
Your thinking about gfe and already happened with Oceane

>>42572992

>>42571614
Because they are there for money. These are people who 50 years ago would become prostitutes/do porn. This does not require them to sell their bodies or even their image, but still get the same kind of benefits.

>>42575752
Qrd?

>>42588030

>>42600162
>bleak way of looking at things
That realization should make them happy. They are worrying over nothing of importance. All they have to do is clock in, say the right things and play the popular games and stop over thinking things.

It's their naive wanting over finding something special in what is really a meaningless waste of time that just happens to make a lot of money that stresses them out. It's a job, what do they expect to find at the end of it all? A bunch lf old memes that everybody has moved on from?

>>42576600
I am not him but you know people who care to train there bodies can also have guns?? Literal reddit tier argument also how the fuck is being prideful about a 2 plate bench on a Mongolian basket weaving forum risking death or life altering injuries.

>>42575672
>Pomu ring
based cuck. Maybe Pomu can wear it for you and let Luca spluge on it during a handjob.

>>42571614
>western chuubas
You're acting like calling out parasocial fucks isn't pretty popular in Japan as well. The only difference is that you don't speak Japanese.

>>42571614
>Don't you have female friends?
Omega giga based of hell. I will never not love how this simple statement still causes so much seethe because it cuts so deep.

>>42607806
>Pomu ring
Nigga you blind

>>42599698
>Those who I've seen succeed long term at least seem to truly enjoy streaming and interacting with their audience
Reminds me of Sakura "I appreciate your concerns but compared to night shifts at onigiri factory streaming is easy" Miko