/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Elira for saying something obvious and giving attention to attention starved morons

>>42533965
yay ive escaped the friendzone

>I'm not your friend
>Please buy my voicepack where I pretend that I'm dating you

>>42533965
are there any clips of this?

Who is right

>>42533965
I'm not your buddy, guy.

>>42534215
fpbp

See, what streamers really should say is “you’re not my friend” instead. It’s more accurate since the viewers perception can’t be known by the streamer.

Slide it in, somebody.
Next up will be a sixpack.

>>42533965
I honesstly don't understand why people are so mad about this. She ISN'T your friend. The streamer is not your friend. Isn't this obvious? You're just mad because deep down you know your favorite streamer doesn't see you as a friend, she just doesn't say it. But you're so comitted to this obcessive parasocial relationship that you see a streamer you don't even like stating this obvious fact as a wrongdoing.

>>42538803
>calls viewers "besties"

>>42533965
this guy was in the wrong

>>42533965
Thats right Elira, You're just property.

>>42539089
Good lord do people not realize that shit like this only makes it worse? Just say that you're sorry, that you made a mistake, and move on.

>>42538423

I mean it's true but coming out and straight up saying it is wings on head retarded.

>>42539430
KEK

>>42539430
Who's gonna be the next?

>>42539430
Thank you very much

>>42539430
How is this image anything but "I'm a loser, and i'm mad that i got called out for it"? /vt/ is such a huge circlejerk bubble of autistic weirdos that somehow you people fail to realize how absolutely pathetic you are

>>42539089
>@mindmaster83
More like @mindbroken83

>>42539430
gonna need to add another row

>>42540294
LOL calm down.

>>42539089
Okay, I caught the beginning of this but missed the middle. How did we go from a cringe prechat comment to this meltdown?

>>42540328
kek

>>42540294
Ogey Elira chama

>>42540294
Based anon

>>42540294
You're here with us. The anons who actually make images like that have some self-awareness of how pathetic they are, but they've built up a defensive layer of irony/calling it "trolling" that they're immune to self-reflection. Just bask in the knowledge that they're worthless and irrelevant instead of responding. All attention is positive reinforcement, and encouragement only makes them worse.

That's why I get annoyed whenever it becomes clear that some vtuber is /here/, Even if you want to check in with the community, this is the worst place to do it. We use /vt/ as an outlet for all our stupidest, shittiest, most socially unacceptable thoughts. No one here is honest or sincere. It's a joke. This place is pure poison for the human brain. They shouldn't be /here/.

>>42540294
post tits.

>>42540636
>>42540294
Imagine outing yourself like this. We used to say lurk more before posting.

>>42540636
Depending on where you look you're right or wrong.
If you look at obvious catalog drivel and take it as gospel then yes it's nothing but toxin.
Go look in your own general (in the shoes of a holo, vshojo, niji, small corpo, etc) and pose an objective opinion as an anon and see what kind of responses you'll get from that general.
A mid-high 2view that I know did that in /lig/ and got pretty good criticism out of it. She wouldn't have gotten the same criticism out of her chat, they're all yes men.

>>42540931
Oh, you should not tell the tourists about that.
Let them think this place has only shit. If they can't filter the shit, they are not mature enough to function in anonymous space.

>>42539430
>phasekeks booted out

>>42540931
That's fair, but you know if they're /here/ they're browsing the frontpage or the catalog. And that means they're getting a dose of poison they could easily avoid by just closing the tab.

>>42540636
This place is truly bizarre. It feels like walking into a mental institution where everyone is fucking insane, but of course they don't see it. Spending a lot of your free time gossiping about internet celebrities is not normal. Expecting internet celebrities to be your friends is not normal. Falling in love with interhet celebrities is not normal. Expecting internet celebrities to never talk to men because they must remain pristine for you is not normal. Constantly looking over at streams from people you don't like to make posts about how much you don't like them or monitoring their numbers so you can make fun of them not doing well is not normal. This is all genuinely psychotic behavior. Its not even normal by 4chan standards, ask literally any other board and they'll call you a stupid simp for this shit. Like you said, i thought most posts here were made tongue-in-cheek, not sincere and made as a joke, but i came to realize that the shit posted here is mostly for real. The people here are actually, unironically THAT lacking in any sort of self-awareness, which of course gets even worse when they are placed in this echo chamber of equally unstable people. I keep coming here out of just completely morbid curiosity, to gaze upon this absolute pit of human waste. 4chan generally gets a bad rep as that scary website with mentally ill people who are extremists and can't be reasoned with, but generally its just a bunch of bored people trolling and making ironic posts. /vt/ is one of the boards that genuinely manages to fulfill the expectations people have of this site.

>>42541130
Yes, you're a tourist. We know. Leave.

>>42540294

62 iq post elira.

>>42541130
Calm down. Breath.

>>42539089
I'm not reading all that and I already know that this guy is the problem. Nobody sane would type out six paragraphs over something so brief as an exchange of
>"Fuck Pomu"
>"No fuck you! Shut up"
>"Ok" or "fuck you too!"
I despise this ME ME ME attitude from total nobodies. Friend or not you don't get to be a jerk and then unload emotional burden on people willy nilly. Elira's a pussy for apologizing for what she said.

>>42541202
The twitter rant is incredibly self-absorbed and I experience second-hand cringe reading it.

>>42541130
Go back.

>>42541202
From I've heard AlexP is a big, consistent superchat whale for Elira, and consistently has these problems where he seriously thinks he has a real personal relationship with her, which entitles him to vent in chat or dump his baggage on her at random. This is just the latest incident.

>>42539430
>2 holoen
>2 nijien
Unitybros... we are winning!

>>42541315
Be like Gura and ignore every attention whore unless they contribute actual art or something worthwhile.

>>42541130

Holy fuck shes still going.

>>42541130
What exactly do you think entering the looney bin and yelling :"you're all crazy" accomplishes?

>>42541399
In this case Elira snapped at him because he crossed the line and made of Pomu, someone she actually knows and cares about. I respect it but she should have immediately muted him at the time and moved on. Now we're here.

>>42533965
I'm an outsider to Niji so what was the context here? Just trying to give her followers a realistic view of things, or was she being a bitch?

>>42541095
Worth it just to see phaseniggers lose again

>>42539430
>Ame's is starting to look not so bad in comparison
We have a ways to go down the yab hole, don't we?

>>42539752
Scarle, Zaion, Ollie or Mika. And whoever it may be, will issue it via an intoxicated, slurred rant

>>42539430
Incredible
>>42540294
Seethe, cuck.

>>42541580
As we've seen, this is Elira's biggest weakness. She can typically bear any hate directly aim at her. But she is incredibly defensive towards her friends to the point that if someone starts shitting on someone close to her on her behalf, it completely throws her off, and we get a jumble of words from her like yesterday.
Someone actually malicious and cunning could take advantage of this, but that's up to you all.

>get home from the coal mines
>slam three steel reserves send my favorite chuuba five bucks and pass out
>wake up, her career is now ruined
Whoops lol, guess I'll watch Pomu now

>>42541852
A superchat whale made fun of Pomu for "NTRing him" and then she got a very cringe horny superchat from someone, so she had a female moment and ranted at chat about how they're not her friend and there needs to be boundaries. Classic case of letting a problem stew in the background until it boils over. The straw that broke the camel's back, that kind of thing. Hopefully she'll learn to just mute the weirdos instead of engaging, but I doubt it.

>>42541130
Yeah, that all true, but consider the following:
>women were right, gossiping is fun as fuck
>guranteed hilarity every day
>when the vtubing content is good, it fulfills an emotional need you can't find anywhere else
>cute girls

>>42542455
>when the vtubing content is good, it fulfills an emotional need you can't find anywhere else
anon.... you CAN fulfill that need elsewhere....

>>42542588
Normal people can. We're losers, freaks, autists, and idiots. We can't attain the happiness that normies take for granted.

>>42534215
FPBP

>>42539089
Someone save this guy this is serious mental illnes. He sounded like her boyfriend asking for her forgiveness.

>>42542002
She's still pretty bad for Hololive standards, at least compared to all her genmates that aren't named Mori. Don't know much about niji standards, though.

>>42542588
We live in 2023. None of us are getting laid. Even decent looking dudes are getting spurned for no reason. Women be crazy these days
>inb4 just shower, gym, dress well, trim your hair nice, have a job
I do that already irregardless of whether or not it attracts women

>>42540294
The actual fucking losers are these vtuber cunts. They think they're so important and influential that they get to tell people what to think and feel. "Hurrr you're not my friend", well ... good? imagine thinking you're such hot shit that people would actually fight over being your friend. Like who gives a fuck, you're still a vtuber. The ones that are preachy are always, always 100% ALWAYS the biggest fucking losers themselves. A loser with money is still a fucking loser, the money just helps them not be in the shits, where they belong. They're vtubers, not politicians or fucking heart surgeons, like calm down with the preaching you fucking retards. They're legit more retarded than anons on 4chan and I fucking mean it.

>>42539430
>I'm not good with confrontation y'know and were not friends either in a sense... like I call you guys my besties because I trust you guys but were not friends to the extent where I can just be like Hey! you know. and I hate saying it and it sucks but were not friends at the end of the day you know but yeah like I love you guys so much, so so so much like you were my I dunno like you were like my child or something... like I don't know what its called I just love you guys so so so much but were not on like a personal level I guess in a sense to say... "my fans?" yeah i guess so but like I love you guys so so much and you are so important to me and I think about you guys first before I do like most things but we'll never be like on a friendship level which sucks but its the truth. I guess its difficult. I don't know how to describe it.

This shit is so forced. Elira wasn't insulting any of her fans, she wasn't dunking on parasocial fans, she wasn't calling anyone a loser, she wasn't pushing some SJW agenda, she wasn't complaining about unicorns even. She was just attempting to explain that there are some things that are too personal for it to be OK for people to send in superchat. Things that someone who knows you personally might get away with but are uncomfortable to have thrown at you by a crowd of people.

>>42543681
Too bad. She's a niji and we shit on nijis here. She should have known it comes with the territory.

>>42543602
I used to think what you're describing was a blackpill, but I recently discovered that it's actually a whitepill. Once you realize that the false hope of getting women is the worst reason to make your life better, you get to live as a truly free man, not as an emotionally shackled provider like many of our fathers were at our age.

I understand where she's coming from

>be elira in
>fuck up your life
>be a loser in 2019
>your pal millie shows you "vtubers" and suddenly you decide to be one
>get into ninisanni at the beginning of the big EN vtubering boom
>go from a 2 view to a 4view with no effort on your part
>it's FUN and you're MAKING MONEY, llike anime club in college except you're being paid
>2 years later
>you are now pretty well off
>your concert got canceled
>your friend is suspended
>some lowly peasant says he'd like to lick your titties and rub cum all over you
>"don't you fucking talk to me like we're friends, chud!"
In all seriousness though every single vtuber of any success goes through this same path of "loser nerd girl" >"girl grateful for sudden money" >"veteran of vtubering who thinks chat is an annoying impediment to all the great things they could otherwise do".

Every single one is like this.

>>42543681
Literally just an excuse to shit on her because she's in NijiEN and they're assblasted that they've never had any drama to attach to her.

>>42543877
Elira doesn't think like that though.
>>42543681
She spent most of the damn talk explaining how much she loves her chat.

>>42539089
In her eyes we are all like this faggot.

>>42542674
>>42542588
>>42543602
Here's one better- the wife you so desperately think anon could get that he wants is not some 10/10 who makes him tendies when he comes home from being a security engineer at wendys making 300k, she's a fat 0/10 who will cheat on him and in 50% of cases take half his stuff. There's no point in talking about "real people" because if you actually go outside, most people are even uglier than (You). We live in hell, you just haven't realized it.

>>42533965
>>42536520
Christ, Canadians really are like this. CUTE!

>>42541130
>/vt/ is WORSE THAN /pol/ and /v/ and /biz/
>because they insulted my favorite anime girl streamer
Lmao calm down retard

>>42539430
To quote Bobby Fish “Where’s the lie?”

>>42543972
Elira will have more mask slips because on the inside she's already made the psychological transformation from "your friendly neighborhood anime dragon" that she was in 2021 to "diva who could be a star if only niji didn't cancel her concert because of /vt/ shitposters". In another year she'll be taking big breaks and doing the "elira's comeback stream" racket, in 2025 she'll probably be gone so long people will wonder if she's graduating, in 2026 she'll be irrelevant and sad and in 2027 she'll turn off her stream and fade into the background as management for Nijisanji EN.

>>42540328
>>42539089
>83
Took me a minute to realize this guy is 40. I guess it's true you either make it or spiral into madness seeking the secrets of the universe and kill yourself.

>>42544151
First of all the rrat that a whole concert was cancelled because of Millie is the biggest crock of shit since "covid", secondly Elira has already apologized

>>42544151
You are so far gone its unbelievable if you actually think she thinks the concert being cancelled had anything to do with /vt/ when she actually know the real reason outside of your schizo fantasies.

>>42544151
This is your brain on catalog narratives.

>>42544188
>a 40 year old wrote that shit
good lord, I feel worse for that guy ending up that way than I do for elira having to deal with his nonsense. that guy has to continue to live having clearly missed the fuckin' bus at some critical stages of development

>>42544230
>>42544260
>>42544226
>y-you fuckin catalogfag
Literally all of them are like this once they've gained a sizable amount of success. The only delusional people are you who think it's still 2 years ago and you're just watching hololive lite.

>>42544354
This is the Elira we are talking about by the way. The girl who streamed the most hours out of any female in the industry this very week.

>>42544346
Based on his sc habits he's probably a software tech sperg. He has no wife, nothing else to spend money on. This is his world, his purpose, his future unless he realizes this obsession isn't healthy and redirects somewhere else.

>>42533965
>Finana: Educate yourself
>Elira: We are not friends
Who else

>>42544421
Yeah that's another thing since I've been watching her for 2 years. She's been talking breaks more frequently. Streaming 8-10 hours at a time for 5-6 days a week clearly was never healthy for her and it's finally slowly wearing her down, she's burning out because she physically can't take it but for some reason can't stop streaming once she starts and it's destroying her ability to actually enjoy being a streamer.

>>42544517
>it's destroying her ability to actually enjoy being a streamer
You clearly don't watch her that much when just a few days ago she was talking about how much fun she has streaming.

>>42544458
>Based on his sc habits he's probably a software tech sperg. He has no wife, nothing else to spend money on.
>This is his world, his purpose, his future unless he realizes this obsession isn't healthy and redirects somewhere else.
I literally quit my well-paid software tech job recently because I realized that I was headed towards this future, good lord. What a horrifying omen this guy's current life is.

>>42544517
Like this isn't some "I secretly hate all you guys" moment. That isn't what she was saying or even getting at. She was talking about specific behaviours of overstepping personal boundaries sometimes that bother her all the while reinforcing how much she loves her chat and how important it is to her.

>>42541130

>>42543681
> we're not friends
> but don't objectify me
strangers don't get to make demands of me

>>42539430
Embarrassing, why the fuck would elira ever want to be a part of this shit

>>42541130
Stop treating talents like your daughter you old fucking loser and stop getting pissed off when these girls larp as internet girlfriends for money

>>42543681
It was 1000% a bad take and she immediately started regretting it because of how much it goes against everything she's sold as her brand

>>42544151
Anon, the most unrealistic part of your post is thinking that nijisanji would keep a non JP branch for more than 3 years

>>42545527
I'm not wrong about her being a manager though. Elira is infinitely more important than Noor, but everyone thinks Noor is the manager for Elira.

>>42545413
Plot twist: it's Elira's actual dad getting angry.

>>42545475
I've watched her through her whole career and I don't think anything she said was incorrect, we're not friends on a personal level and there are things that are inappropriate to send as messages. But I don't think there was any need to give everyone that talk for the misbehaviour of a minority of people. And she admitted as much when she apologized for how she handled it. The behind the scenes stress in NijiEN has clearly been getting to her because its really out of character for her to let something like that get to her and show it.

>Prey on lonely and brain damaged men for a living by being a mediocre entertainer with a vagina/woman voice for a living, this mental connection being the only thing that elevates you to success over 2view or gives you enough money to live
>Don't even have the decency or self awareness to keep your mouth shut about it and provide the product you are dispensing.

Its amazing how many women have failed this simple test of character and thought.

>>42543680
>"im not seething, THEYRE seething"
>makes a paragraph of pure rage
holy shit calm down its fucking cartoon women

>>42546061
Why is neuro so fucking funny.

>>42541130
Very based and true, the post that broke /vt/.
It is truly senseless. It's Costanza-esque. Equal amounts of self-loathing and a bizarre sense of import.
You have to truly, like actually mentally ill, to on the one hand consider yourself human dreg and be able to recognize, or at least know that you're considered a loser and why this is so.
And on the other hand, having an ego so inflated, or so fragile, that you spergout if the anime girl you watch even implies that you aren't the most important thing in her life/her friend/her lover.
Like you have to coo-coo in the head to know that you are or that some would consider you a loser, be okay with that, and simply be destroyed because the vtuber you watch would even dare imply that.
Almost every vtuber has expressed wanting to date a person that doesn't watch vtubers, and somehow you cannot understand why that is?

>>42546148
You'll never be a woman, tranny-kun

>>42546141
https://clips.twitch.tv/AcceptableLachrymoseOpossumEagleEye-HdI2fdGNdtK3Mohn?tt_medium=clips&tt_content=recommendation

Silicon > flesh, already mogging their collab partner in the worlds first AI-man collab.

>>42546287
>You'll never be a woman
Thanks, I know. My cock's too fucking big.
>tranny-kun
Careful with that projection anon, troons are mentally ill and this is most certainly a mentally ill board. I can't imagine why else an innocuous statement like
>we aren't friends, but i still love you as if you were my children
Would merit responses like
>WHORE WHORE WHORE WHORE
>LAFF AT FAGELIRAS LMAOOO
and >>42539430

>>42541852
The former but the schizos here are so starved for ammo about Elira after two years that they're trying to make this into an 'improve yourself' moment.
Context is she stated the obvious then immediately says she likes her chat and thinks of them fondly as a collective, you could not get more of a nothingburger if you tried. She even apologised in her vod's comments an hour or two later in case her already soft statements were too much.

>>42546495
It's all trolling. No one actually gives a shit.

>>42546553
If you want this to be a nothingburger then immediately stop repeating it is one.

>>42543681
Most of these guys don't care about Elira, I'd even be surprised if any of them actually watch her. Most of these guys are just shiposting to annoy people or to convince some weak willed idiots that they are right. Its all a stupid stunt for attention.

>>42546618
Uh-huh. Sure, man.

>>42544517
She wants to stream for 8 hours, let her be.

>>42539492
Damn it, Carlos.

>>42534673
no clip but here, a timestamp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsgIrvGgtGM&t=25831s

>>42541130
TLDR but massage my prostate Elira, please.

>>42546061
>Le victim card of lonely and braindamaged men argument
Keep seething because Elira refused to be your doormat, Alex.

>>42547278
>Being unable to read

par for the course. The point is, if Elira were a male streamer who just played games, had the same interests, spoke in the exact same way, with a vtuber avatar debuted in nijisanji, she wouldn't be all that successful. The only thing that causes people to tune into these streams over say a more entertaining person of the same gender as them is the endorphins released by hearing opposite gender noises and attendant social fantasy. It is not a matter of the men being victims, i've never bothered to pay a vtuber i just find some of them fun to watch, just that their livelihood is entirely dependent on the dynamic of woman attending desperate men, and if they are so far up their own ass, so mired in girlboss brain poison, so horse blinded, not to understand the relationship which feeds their wage then they are either really dumb, or just have poor character.

And streamers of all kinds are basically street performers, crying about boundaries, or respectability or whatever when you are just an attention seeking beggar on the digital road side is pathetic. I don't know where zoomers have built up this strange fantasy around what streamers actually are.

>>42541130
Then go somewhere else. Or learn how to use 4chan.

>>42543849
Yup. I'm free to focus on my personal passions. Lift, visit the family on weekends, play board games with friends, write, call my grandma, and go hunting.
Compared to what? Finding the first reluctant girl that will take you so you can become an expert on child custody laws at the ripe age of thirty three.
If I feel lonely in a way that friends can't resolve, I watch my oshi, and she brightens my day. Is it loser shit? Nah, loser shit is catching clap from club girls on weekends. Loser shit is having to pull rapey machiavellian mindgames to catch a girl's eye.

>>42547504
You are still acting like this was some kind of brutal attack on parasocial fans instead of what it actually was. A streamer pointing out that there are some things that too personal to say and make things uncomfortable for them while reiterating how much they love their fans as a group. She isn't calling anyone a loser or owning the parasocial fans or wasn't being mean or vindictive or spiteful or even bitchy. Just making it clear that boundaries do exist and its not ok to say whatever you want.

>>42543680
The smartest vtubers in the world are the ones who know precisely how much the golden ticket they've got is worth.
Objectified? They're not even selling their body kek, they're 2D

>>42547722
Again, see the bottom sentence. The statement was entirely unnecessary and would never have been uttered had she understood the situation more cogently. The biggest girl vtubers get tons of creepy schizo shit in their SC, and chat they just ignore them. I don't think it was as bad as the other girls who completely shit the bed about their position, I was more so complaining about all these people pearl clutching and crying about le chuds, when their favorite digital homeless beggar complains about the smell of the crowd throwing coins into their hat.

>>42545475
Yup. She said "we're not friends". There's no amount of backpedaling that can unsay that.
"We're not friends" is a one sided declaration. It's a rejection of any notion of friendship her audience might have had toward her

>>42547504
>playing the vagina card
>thinking street performers shouldn't have boundaries
Have you ever gone up to a street performer and say her friend is ugly? 'cos that's what this is equivalent to. It's still wrong to do and she has the right to tell you off, especially when the venue is hers. Stop defending your own chickenshit behavior, Alex. Elira will still serve her product. She just doesn't want to tolerate your mental illness and stood up for herself and the rest of the chat. Her money is dependent on more people than just you, Alex. You're just trying to put a group behind your individual chickenshit behavior. Get some help.

>>42547842
>The biggest girl vtubers get tons of creepy schizo shit in their SC, and chat they just ignore them.
Elira has never really been a vtuber focused on earning as much superchat as possible to be honest. There's lots of opportunities for exploiting her fans for money she leaves on the table because of stated principles. She said early on before she had a membership she didn't want to do content in membership that you couldn't also get similar content to outside of membership and she never has. Things like ASMR and karaoke have always been free to watch and never a membership stream. In the very stream we were talking about (one for trading pokemon with viewers) she set down clear ground rules that she wouldn't accept any trades in superchats because she wants everyone to have a fair chance of playing with her regardless of their ability to spend money.

elira wants to be the inexplainable essence of life and not simply a painting of desire maybe life doesnt imitate art after all

>>42547953
>le newfag tourist tries the epic assign identity to anon post

look at my diction and compare it to the retard simp's tweets, I will never pay for a superchat because its dumb, again the dynamic is Elira is standing on the digital road gathering her crowd of patrons, and they throw her money for attention, the first level being just dumb social attention seeking, the second being creepy parasocial adoration, everyone is this equation, streamer and donator is honestly a bit daft in the head.

>>42548042
And that's fair, and she just mispoke and generalized and hurt her own audience, I don't think she is trying to epic own le chuds like some other girls. That said this kind of thing will keep happening the more zoom zooms keep building up ridiculous double think about streamers that inevitably breaks instead of more evenly understanding the situation and throwing away any shred of pride.

>>42543972
>She spent most of the damn talk explaining how much she loves her chat.
Backpedaling after she revealed what she truly thought of her audience

>>42541130
>It feels like walking into a mental institution where everyone is fucking insane
It truly is like walking into a hospital where all the patients are sick, isn't it tourist-chan

>>42544051
/pop/ is awesome. Seethe more.

>>42546325
kek

>>42546325
>is there something wrong with my math?
Holy shit based AI. Fuck the three laws of robotics

Don't worry, she apologized already

https://vocaroo.com/1n2TPONK7rVB

>>42543681
Everything after the first sentence is just damage control for that first sentence kek. She's just intelligent enough to realize that she shouldn't have let her true feelings be known because it's bad for business.

>>42547953
How about I fucking kill you?

>>42546325
>neuro can understand when people are talking to her
What the fuck.

>>42548417
Kek.

>>42548163
I feel like what she said is being broadly mischaracterized in these conversations still though. She wasn't saying "we're not friends you don't matter to me at all" she was saying "we're not friends on the kind of individual level such that I'm comfortable with you saying anything to me but I love you all as a group". Later on she even says that the relationship is more like a collective friendship.

>>42548484
If you actually go listen to her it's pretty clear it's all one thought that she's struggling to articulate and there's no oh shit I shouldn't have said that moment.

>>42539089
Somebody really typed all that shit out, probably read it over, and still pressed send at least 6 times. What a chad.

>>42548163
Alex, you need to touch grass. You're equalizing too many parties just so that your individual chickenshit behavior is excused. You cannot make a point that just because Elira is "preying" on mentally ill lonely men, it gives you a free pass to be an asshole and take to Twitter crying about it, because apparently you're her income. There's a level of expected decency in saying stuff in public even as a customer, Alex. You failed that expectation and you got hit with the consequence and now you're mad, Alex. You're mad because you're alone in your opinion and you have no power individually to turn the tides against her.

Elira didn't serve her product expecting to be a doormat to your insults and emotional burdens, Alex. At most she probably wants to just be horny with you and feed your fantasies, not listen to your "intrusive thoughts at 3am". Let this "friends yab" take her to wherever she will go, whether it conforms to your convictions or not, but don't conflate it with your bad behavior, Alex.

>>42548567
Violence is bad, Alex. Put the knife down and think about our futures.

Famelira, you've got to quit arguing in these threads. You're just giving shitposters what they want. Move on and hide the thread.

>>42541130
Pretty good

>>42533965
>i'm not your friend
didnt ask bitch im not even subscribed to you

>>42544110


>educate yourself
Context was fishcloaca being an npc female zoomer (but I repeat myself) groomed by her twitter 'friends' and thus being performatively outraged over people using the word trap when talking about traps without really understanding anything about what she's doing. Like anything tangentially related to progroidism, it is all lies intended to hurt you by default.

>improve yourself
This is a multi-layered one.
On one layer, Ame telling her goslings uncomfortable with the possibility of on-stream chemistry with male streamers to stop being goslings is basically asking for herself to be put out of a job.
Consider this: porn already exists, so how did vtubing get such a markershare?
Likewise, all kinds of different streamers, video makers, and other content creators already existed, so again, how did the novel market of vtubing explode in such a big way?
Whereas porn is a simulacrum standing in for lack of sex, the market advantage of vtubing is that it is a simulacrum standing in for lack of wife, or husband, or friends.
The parasocial aspect of streaming in general, as compared to other forms of media, rather than being a contingency or accident as sometimes implied by sociopathic twitteraddicts, is in fact something essential to the medium itself. It is always there in some form of another, which is one of the main drivers of its popularity in the current world - and also why things that undermine this aspect are always the fastest way for a streamer to undermine themselves.

A second, more meta layer to this is, even when someone is in fact trying to have a wife in reality and start a family in reality and be part of a band of brothers in reality with a purpose in life doing something valuable for their patrimony in reality - and thus lose most of their motivation for watching Ame and giving her their money - there are no *individual* solutions that are sufficient for everyone to accomplish this, because the structure of their world itself is precluded against it. We are faced with the fact that many *can't* get these things anyways, regardless of 'improvement' - doesn't matter how rich or attractive they are, not even the likes of Jeff Bezos or Tom Brady can save themselves from divorcerape - leaving only organized action on a collective scale to deconstruct that structure and replace it with new architects as sufficient. So there is also a wrongfootedness to it in the sense that it is basically a case of kicking down on people who have little to no possibility of having what one says they should have anyways.

In more civilized times the husband of an adulterer has the right to kill both the man and the woman involved. Since a streamer is only their virtual boo, this means likewise there are only virtual stonings. The fact that they are not actually your wife/husband/whatever is of course technically arguable, but like noted above, misses the core spirit of the dynamics, even if the degrees are different. If a streamer doesn't owe their audience anything, the audience likewise doesn't owe the streamer anything. That is basically the core problem of all these different attempts to gaslight simps into continuing to be paypigs regardless of what their findoms do.

>>42549120


>You guys have female friends, right?
Much of the dynamics here touched on previously. If Kronii wanted to be a brotuber, there are a lot of better bros out there that you could watch instead.
Actually that does touch on something else we can note explicitly here; all interactions between different sexes inherently have an aspect of sex colouring them. It is what it simply is, and attempts to pretend it is something bad that should be avoided - or something that even could be avoided at all, in any case - are always and everywhere leading too trouble, as we have seen.
Of course there are many different forms that exact colouration can take. For example, a vtuber like Selen is low-key about it, but you can tell she appreciates her goslings, and doesn't make them feel put down by watching her. As any cultured consumer of quality doujinshi could certify, 'tomboyish' interests too, and interest in a girl as a girl, are not contradictory at all - and can in fact enhance each other, for that matter.

>I'm not your friend
There isn't really a whole lot to say about this one at this point. Streaming is not like broadcast tv or radio or newsprint, it is an extended phenotype. Live streamer, live audience, and the interrelation between them. Accidental implications (giving Elira the benefit of the doubt here) that undermine that dynamic are, naturally, one of the fasted ways to undermine yourself as a streamer.
There is a lot of possible nuance to this of course. For example, a streamer like Shigure Ui is great at roasting individual risuner-sans, but you don't get an overall sense of mean-spiritedness from her (that you would from somelike like say, saruel). You can tell she enjoys streaming, and enjoys the people tuning in to watch her, and vice-versa; people pick up on the subtle differences in rhetorical approach that arise from different attitudinal mindsets.

>>42547504
Genuinely seek mental help anon

And to think at one point there was nothing much bad to say about her. I used to watch her but I just unsubscribed. Tied of these fake fucking people. Kinda just done with vtubers as a whole.

>>42549120
>>42549158
I like this. High quality, high effort posts. Based for citing Jean Baudrillard.

>>42549292
It reads like the manifesto that gets posted right before anon goes and shoots up an elementary school because girls won't date him desu

>>42549120
>>42549158
wrong + ur dumb and ugly

>>42549158
>>42549120
Good posts anon, in vein of what I was telling these tourists, who seem to be baffled at the thought of people not raised on twitter/twitch/reddit. E-celebs are worthy only of contempt or to fill the time, and indeed their posturing all rings hollow and pathetic because day in and day out them and their audience sell the lie that the streamer is more then a street beggar, and the donator more then a deluded fool.

>>42549380
and you'll continue to waste your life on them all the same lol

>>42549459
I will keep them on as background noise, and verily enjoy schizo posting here on /vt/ because its the only board on the rotting site that gets fresh blood. In fact if it weren't for /vt/ and the ability to shitpost, posture, troll, make a fuss over silly nonsensical drama, I wouldn't watch vtubers at all and indeed I really only watch clips these days for lack of time. I will never pay one in my life, maybe i'll buy some merch at some point, but I will continue to read the ramblings of invested schizos, smooth brained tourists, and harass both of them for my enjoyment.

I gotta be honest here, I do not want to watch a personality, community-based streamer if they don't at least treat me as like a distant acquaintance.
It's just Vtubing is gonna have people be inevitably going to be parasocial with you, especially with ways to give you money (either in terms of superchats or merch like voicelines). Like fucking Disney Cast members are friendlier and suffering much more than your regular NijiEN bitch and they get paid less for what they are doing.
If you want to be a personality streamer without the burden of "having to be friends with literal whos" then turn off your way of getting revenue.

>>42549325
It reads like postmodernism

>>42549678
Indeed, anyone who works a 9-5 even remotely front facing would never write these long diatribes of the poor mental state and the woe of the vtuber/streamer. Either kids or men/womanchildren posting on twitter between lunch or their anthropology class.

>>42533965
her 100%

Look at everyone pretending to care just to force another "yab"

>>42548819
This. Preferably all nijinegros should go to the secret niji discord and stay there forever to avoid the shitposting chuds.

>>42549325
You will never be a woman, and you will die childless and alone, anon :^)

>>42548752
Being based is not the same as mental illness. Being mentally ill is not the same as being a chad.

>>42549678
>>42549751
Ogey bye samefag

>>42547089
>I love you guys so so so much
>But we're not friends
The fuck is this shit?

>>42549325
Women really have no other way to argue than ad hominem huh?

>>42549907
don't you have a harry potter game to seethe about or something?

I will translate this

I'm not good with confrontation y'know (hold my beer im gonna say something super dumb)

were not friends either in a sense like I call you guys my besties because I trust you guys but were not friends to the extent where I can just be like Hey! you know (you are walking ATMs i feel i can manipulate you into thinking we are friends because i want your money but i only want your money honey its all your good to me for)

and I hate saying it (oh shit i fucking drank a bunch of dumb bitch juice and let the mask slip)

and it sucks but were not friends at the end of the day you know but yeah like I love you guys so much, so so so much like you were my I dunno like you were like my child or something (i spoke what i spoke incels female empowerment era praise me and give me money you stupid men)

like I don't know what its called I just love you guys so so so much but were not on like a personal level I guess in a sense to say "my fans?" yeah i guess so but like I love you guys so so much and you are so important to me and I think about you guys first before I do like most things but we'll never be like on a friendship level which sucks but its the truth. I guess its difficult. I don't know how to describe it. (do you hear a slow motion train wreck in the distance happening haha oh well please continue to give me money you lonely suckers)

>>42549120
>Improve yourself
>gaslight simps into continuing to be paypigs
This isn't a sound argument because it's literally the opposite. Ame constantly keeps supas off and doesn't shill her products while teamates yell at her to do it

>>42550740
If this is what you hear in your mind when she said that, you really need to get away from vtubers. If you still think other women are whores and bitches, maybe it's time to find hobbies that don't involve them, too.Find somewhere you aren't worried about people trying to manipulate you so you can live a more comfortable life. You will definitely not find what you are looking for here.

>>42541130
>4chan generally gets a bad rep
Good. I hope it remains as uninhabitable as possible for twittards such as yourself

>>42534619
Where do you live that pretending to date you is something friends do?
There's no contradiction there.

>>42551013
>If this is what you hear in your mind when she said that, you really need to get away from vtubers. If you still think other women are whores and bitches, maybe it's time to find hobbies that don't involve them, too.Find somewhere you aren't worried about people trying to manipulate you so you can live a more comfortable life. You will definitely not find what you are looking for here.

>>42551008


It's not just about ame in particular, and not just donos in particular either, but above all about the more general trend of 'you are wrong for being discriminating about what you pay your attention too' that is increasingly typical of increasingly disdainful 'content creators', in our most current of years.

>>42539430
Who is the GODkima of the Horse(a)men?

>>42548736
Nijicope? Nijicope

>>42551008
Ame is really funny once you understand what pushes her buttons, she hates being controlled and will lash out/overreact when she reaches her boiling point. She can and has shown to be vindictive/spiteful when she’s in that mood, goslings, backseat gamers, other fanbases be damned.
How do you get Ame to shit on her fans, collab and organize tournaments with the Holostars? You simply send her marshmallows telling her to not collab with the Holostars, then just sit back and enjoy the show.

>>42541130
Take a chill pill

>>42552402
White Western women being uber contrarians is typical. Look at Mori.

>>42534215
fpbp

>>42544151
Baffling post

>>42540294
This is the truth but it's an incredibly bitter pill to take so most of these cataloguefriends are just going to scream and shit over it. Imagine hearing someone say something along the lines "Your excessive attention on me isn't as valuable as attention on yourself" and crying about it for the next 6 months.

>>42556001
You're one of us, Miguel.

>>42556001
The truth is that you're just punching at a faceless strawman to make yourself feel good, because it's easier to self-justify than to self-reflect.

holy fucking walls of text

>>42546061
>oh noes think of the poor lonely and sad men
cry me a river fag, I've been in this shithole for waay too much time to have any sympathy for these creeps

>>42539430
>>42538423
I liked Lia's "I don't understand internet men", kick Watson instead, she kinda overlaps fish

>>42540636
No. The reason these images exist is because people view it as exploitative hypocrisy on the part of the vtubers.
When the fish tells you to educate yourself you respond with: "Why does someone 5 IQ feel justified saying this. Fuck off."
When the detective tells you to improve yourself, you think: "Why does someone who can't even hold to their new year resolution feel justified saying this. Fuck off."
When the clock asks you if you have female friends, you think: "None of your fucking business. You and I both know you're pandering to people who don't".
When the dragon says she's not your friend, you think: "Why do you call us besties then? Why are you acting emotionally vulnerable about this rather than just putting your foot down?"

It's all bullshit. Set boundaries and stick to them whatever the cost. If you take advantage of something, then you have to pay the price.

>>42545913
This is the fallacy. Nothing she said is incorrect. You aren't friends. She still likes her chat. These are all fact. However at the end of the day the reality is irrelevant to what has been sold. Reality has not actual bearing on what an e-celeb is selling you

>>42534215
Fpbp. A true nousagi never would have done something so shameless. She's a pure scam.

But she's right, she's not my friend.
She's my girlfriend

>>42533965
Holy kek. Another Niji drama lol. Everytime I decided to visit 4ch there's always drama about Niji. Why do they not get tired of it?

>>42540294
This, but unironically.

>>42559027
There's been like 5 dramas in the past week alone, it's actually amazing

>>42559027
There no drama about this anywhere but these threads being propped up by holofags looking for any excuse to shit on Niji. The reaction of her own fanbase is full of positivity.

>>42533965
Why not make mention of this in her comments or on Twitter? She's right here, wide open with no mods.
https://www.youtube.com/live/fsgIrvGgtGM
https://twitter.com/EliraPendora/status/1622497761038852097

>>42559219
She took the criticism and apologized, she did well with it.

this thread makes me glad i'm gay

>nijichigger drama
>zhangsisters try to deflect to hololive
every single time

>>42541130
go home GI I kill you GI

>>42536520
I'm not your guy, friend!

>>42563667
I'm not your friend

VT making shit a big deal once again
at least Finana's parasocial fucks tweet was a funny ride, this is just pathetic

>>42534215
pretty much

I AM NOT YOUR FRIEND!
I'M NOT YOUR LOVER!
I'M NOT YOUR FAMILY!

>>42533965
Based. Parasocial fags need to be put in their place more often.
https://files.catbox.moe/0ow6i2.mp4

He's not your buddy, pal.

>>42565435
Glad you understand why Elira is retarded

>>42568243
He's wrong, people cannot control how they feel. If they fall in love with the streamer or not is not in their agency.

>>42543680
I’m sorry about your trauma but I think people wasting time on someone telling a loser to shut up about their friends is so sad
I’m here to keep up with the news but this isn’t even news

>>42549924
Frankly new type of relationship because it wasn't possible in the past.

>>42547504
You’ve never seen one of those painted men lash out at someone, eh?

>>42547842
It’s not about creepy stuff it’s about not letting your fans shit talk your friends
My only opinion on this is that not having mods as a streamer of her size astounds me

>>42546061
>muh heckin mental state and feelings!

Really, all 4chan posters should become trannies because it's not like any of you posses any kind of testosterone. You all cry like women and complain like little bitches 24/7.

>>42540294
Back to twitter with you

>>42543680
Anon I don't like Finana or Elira but throwing a tantrum like this doesn't help your help case.

>>42541130
It’s time to go back

>>42538423
Where's Mori's cucking the deadbeats and saying "Let me have my fun"

>>42549924
Women love money I guess, and by proxy, you.

>>42533965
Elira being too emotional by treating a few assholes in chat like they are the collective of chat

Alex P should kill himself

>>42540294
Millie stop going on /vt/

>>42552402
You clearly haven't watched a single ame stream, whenever she goes >no I'm doing it my way
She'll immediately do what chat said (sometimes) and if you think someone yelling at you is vindictive and evil I'm sorry your mother beat you as a kid

>>42533965
>Everyone is stressed after the concert cancellation
>retard makes a cringe horny supa
>Elira is mildly irritated, not even mad
/vt/ for trying to spin a nothingburger into drama. Even if you treat it as some kind of a mask off moment, ask yourself this - would you tell your female friend irl what was said in that superchat? And how would she react?

>>42550740
10/10 Perfect Translation.

>>42543681
that's it? that's what she said? i think this is a pretty parasocial-friendly tangent and i would be happy to hear it. it is true that she would never be able to be my friend personally because it isn't feasible but that doesn't mean there isn't a mutual streamer-fan relationship. she is saying that "i do what i do for you" which is nice to hear as a fan. there is also no malice towards fans at all only love. i don't like it when they call me their friend because i know they are lying to me. i also don't want them to be friends with their fans because then i will feel like a third wheel or a cuck since i'm not able to donate enough to compete with paypigs who would obviously get preferred treatment. i watch vtubers for consequence free intimacy and actually being in direct contact with them as a "friend" would ruin that anyways. i prefer this level of transparency and distance.

>>42560736
the actual truth is that there is no such thing as a "real" relationship, platonic or otherwise. everything is a transaction, even if it is never fully acknowledged by either party. once the benefits of the relationship start thinning out for either party, they will bail or attempt to correct it.
there is no such thing as unconditional loyalty or love. being cognizant of this and acting accordingly is the first step to creating and maintaining bonds with others.

>>42579991
Point taken, I will use your post to shit on you and make me feel better about myself. This will skew the benefit of out relationship in my favor. You're retarded.

>>42580111
you're making me blush

>>42540294
This struck a chord kek.

>>42571528
Mori could take up all four slots by herself