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>>41744202

COMING SOON TO YOUR THREAD! THE MAIN EVENT WHICH YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!

Starting this Friday the 27th at 4pm EST before the gates close on this SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY the 29th at 3pm EST, there shall be a vote WHICH shall DECIDE THE FATE OF THIS THREAD.

The current acts include:

1. The placement of /jidf/ (>>41500127 for reasons)
2. The placement of /wvt/ (>>41695574 for reasons)
3. The placement of /pkg/ (>>41695574 for reasons)

AND DO NOT MISS THE FINAL ACT that WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING:

4. VOTING REFORM! https://rentry.org/39iwaf


Do not WAIT, do not HESTITATE. For this GRAND EVENT is only for a limited time only! BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XODoCxv9Itg [Embed]

Notice: All proposals must be submitted by Friday at 12 pm EST for appropriate discussion, and the right to postpone a proposal is at the discretion of this event's organizer. All wording must be verified by Friday at 3pm EST.

You have the right to vote Aye, Nay, Abstain, or not cast a ballot (Blank)

Aye means you agree with the proposal.
Nay means you disagree with the proposal.
Abstain means you wish the proposal to have more time and refinement, thus waiting for another voting session.
Not casting a ballot means that you do not feel comfortable voting for the proposal in any measure or that it is beyond your own concern.

Refunds, late proposals, and late ballots will not be accepted. All rights are reserved to Mooner Entertainment Inc.

Wait till next week for the vote reform, there was some things that had not been considered.
Like this:
>>41583801
>>41583843

This isn't something we should just have on the ballot yet imo, it needs more time. As for the placement, I think i have made my stance clear that I support all three placements.

>>41769478
https://rentry.org/reze8
pending their addition to the map, this is the geological report of /pkg/ as was requested by Moonafic, please place it with the other climate and geological reports please.

bump

This is the initial draft of the bakery. I'm thinking about redoing the design. I still need a stove. I'm thinking about moving the ovens to the east or west wall to put the stove on the south wall. Storage will be north.

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This voting reform will end up like the provinces, where discussion just goes no where because no one says anything and if it does get voted on, Pink Man will at the 23rd hour complain about it and back to square one we go.

>>41771451
How is there a washroom without running water?

>>41771605
Piss

>>41769857
In addition to the voting reform, we should definitely reform the province doc also

>>41772205
What proposals do you have?

>>417725588
For one rewriting it in a more formal way. When you actually look at it, a jarring amount of it is opinionated and I think that's played a part in lots of arguments that start over imaginary rules that never actually existed, especially the whole dubious lore concept. I think it also needs to explain in what situations a province would be done for nations that have active writers currently because it doesn't look like it ever took any of that into account, situations as to when land should be provinced and when it should not are useful if provincing is something that's going to continue to happen.

>>41771605
Buckets. Also need to move storage to the north wall.

>>41769857
i recommended it because otherwise this will be jsut another thing being discussed once and then die because it never gets touchd again and forgotten

having it up for vote is sometimes the only way to get people to properly think about a thing and consider it

>>41773177
>having it up for vote is sometimes the only way to get people to properly think about a thing and consider it
Either this or actively insulting, antagonizing, and provoking people before switching the table and asking them for their opinion

test.

>>41773177
we can go over the points provided since those seem to be the issue.

Reposting
Okay, so this proposal is interesting but I don't really know how to feel about it yet because it seems like a lot more details need to be fleshed out before it's ready to go to vote. I'm just going to drop my thoughts and questions down as I go through the document and hopefully this gives a chance for people to think about the details of what the proposal will look like in action as we discuss how to tackle them.
>Regional Borders
The regions as they are currently depicted seem off and should probably be adjusted. The rentry does seem to reference this a bit, but if this is being put forth as a proposal then we should probably make sure the regions are accurate to the proposal's requirements. In general, the regions seem like they will be a pain to work with, especially if they need to be reconfigured for every vote depending on which contributors have joined or left, possibly silently or temporarily. The first step would be to list which threads are currently considered "active" so we can get a sense for how they should be divvied up and if it's even possible to do by the standards set forth here. For that matter, what makes a thread "active" in the first place? These things should probably be ironed out at some point.

>Furthermore, it can be decided to make a smaller split in such a case to balance out, such as dividing a holo region containing 4 threads into 2 regions with 2 threads.
This seems like it will cause a myriad of problems and I cannot imagine how anyone would broach the topic of asking for increased splits without the thread descending into the shitflinging mess this is trying to avoid. In what way can this be done that is demonstrably fair or objective? The entire idea is predicated on the fact that a group of people are being singled out for having too much influence. It will be the exact same arguments we're having now with new language.
And moving region borders around will be its own headache with regard to people having reason to put up accusations of foul play. With the current regions, we have several where only one thread is consistently active in regards to votes not directly relating to them and some with none at all. So in matters requiring 2/3 regional approval, how many regions would actually be able to come to a decision and make a vote? It seems like only a couple would bother if we take previous voting trends into account.

>Intraregional Discussion
Now let's take a look at how the regions themselves work. First off, who all is in a region and gets to be a part of the discussion? Is it still just the "reps" from the old system? If we are adding in the other writers for threads which have them, then how is someone like WARsuner handled, where he splits his time between multiple regions? With there being more push for people wanting to write for unrepped nations, do they get a say in regional discussions?
In addition, how is voting handled within a region or will regions just figure out their own system? People have mentioned it possibly needing to be unanimous and the note that each thread needs to do lore verification for the vote to go through seems to lean that way as well. This is somewhat exploitable since it requires a falseflagger to only have a single persona in a few regions to stall out the voting process entirely. If it is based on (super)majority, then depending on the makeup of the region I could easily see potential for more hatred to fester with someone being constantly blocked by their neighbors. There is also the worry that a single opinionated voice could easily take over a region's vote if the others are apathetic towards the matter. In general, if other people in the region are busy or not interested in the issue, are the remaining members allowed to vote for their region?

>To give an example, let's say North Indie only has one active rep. This would mean they would vote along with their southern neighbors.
While this attempts to address some of the concerns above, it ultimately seems pretty flawed. In a regional discussion, this gives the singular member of their region almost no control over what happens to said region, while the alternative is to lend them unilateral control over it. One might attempt to redo borders to remedy the situation at the time, but a big potential flaw of the regional system is that there doesn't seem to be any good solutions to what happens when a thread is geographically isolated from anyone active, and the future could have this occur to any number of places. Ultimately it seems like there are so many restrictions for how regions can be placed that it feels impossible to do so fairly with our limited number of anons.
(1/2)

>I would hope that this system would also encourage regions to work together lore wise more, as building rapport and trust between each other would be important here overall, and furthermore would encourage regional projects.
That being said, I do think there is a point to be made here, and this does seem to be one of this proposal's greatest strengths.

>Writing Tiers
This section took me a couple reads to fully absorb so I would like to ask some clarifying questions and have everything explicitly laid out in how it will function. I assume the loremaster role here is not meant to be a simple substitute for the mediator, since letting one person have full control over their "sandbox" seems to be against what this proposal wants to achieve. So does that mean that loremasters will not be the sole arbiters of canon for their threads? Then can a thread have multiple loremasters and can someone serve as a loremaster for multiple threads? One thing I've noticed with these two reforms is that the writing section seems to encourage people to write more globally but the regional voting seems to encourage people to stay with a specific country. It feels like there's some natural opposition between the two ideas that will need to be resolved or at least investigated more closely so people don't get caught in the middle.
Anyway, those are just some of the preliminary thoughts I had when reading through the proposal doc. I'm not sure that it's quite there yet, but I'm interested to see how the idea develops and how some of these concerns will be handled as it continues to be revised.
(2/2)

on unrelated notes, /jidf/ anon, your CEO is based

>>41776400
Yes Aviel is based kek

You get one butt from me and no more

>The regions as they are currently depicted seem off and should probably be adjusted. The rentry does seem to reference this a bit, but if this is being put forth as a proposal then we should probably make sure the regions are accurate to the proposal's requirements.

Well naturally, they aren't supposed to be set in stone but general guidelines

>In general, the regions seem like they will be a pain to work with, especially if they need to be reconfigured for every vote depending on which contributors have joined or left, possibly silently or temporarily.

This is a valid point, though it would require more than 5 "active" threads, which participate in discussions and post regularly.

>The first step would be to list which threads are currently considered "active" so we can get a sense for how they should be divvied up and if it's even possible to do by the standards set forth here. For that matter, what makes a thread "active" in the first place? These things should probably be ironed out at some point.

It's rather easy to note who is active based on their posting, and as was stated, this allowed up to 5 threads to be active at once in a region. What makes a thread active is that they are actively posting lore or posting in relation to this thread. It's should be pretty straightforward.

>This seems like it will cause a myriad of problems and I cannot imagine how anyone would broach the topic of asking for increased splits without the thread descending into the shitflinging mess this is trying to avoid. In what way can this be done that is demonstrably fair or objective? The entire idea is predicated on the fact that a group of people are being singled out for having too much influence. It will be the exact same arguments we're having now with new language.

Well, it seems that no matter what happens, this will be the case unfortunately. This was a mere suggestion.


>And moving region borders around will be its own headache with regard to people having reason to put up accusations of foul play. With the current regions, we have several where only one thread is consistently active in regards to votes not directly relating to them and some with none at all. So in matters requiring 2/3 regional approval, how many regions would actually be able to come to a decision and make a vote? It seems like only a couple would bother if we take previous voting trends into account.

This requires a deeper discussion and I am not sure where to proceed here. It is more of mentality question both of these two previous points overall rather than a systematic issue.

>Now let's take a look at how the regions themselves work. First off, who all is in a region and gets to be a part of the discussion? Is it still just the "reps" from the old system? If we are adding in the other writers for threads which have them, then how is someone like WARsuner handled, where he splits his time between multiple regions? With there being more push for people wanting to write for unrepped nations, do they get a say in regional discussions?

It's not just the reps, its all writers in the regions. I think that anyone who contributes a fair bit of lore or is exclusively focused on one region should have a say in it. It's not about a vote in the regions themselves but coming to a common consensus.

>While this attempts to address some of the concerns above, it ultimately seems pretty flawed. In a regional discussion, this gives the singular member of their region almost no control over what happens to said region, while the alternative is to lend them unilateral control over it. One might attempt to redo borders to remedy the situation at the time, but a big potential flaw of the regional system is that there doesn't seem to be any good solutions to what happens when a thread is geographically isolated from anyone active, and the future could have this occur to any number of places. Ultimately it seems like there are so many restrictions for how regions can be placed that it feels impossible to do so fairly with our limited number of anons.

In that regard, this is where the thread steps in to mediate. Ultimately, in the case of Indie for example, many of the writers follow the same logic and this is the case with many areas adjacent to each other. If the case comes to be that a nation is isolated, they ought to be given some sort of provision but ultimately there needs to be some kind of logic on a thread level, as meaningless layers of extra bureaucracy accomplish nothing.

>Writing tiers

Retro can better explain this in my opinion, the overall goal is to eliminate the concept of writing and voting in an individual personification.

All in all, it's not perfect and it needs polish, but I want to make clear that adding extra layers of bureaucracy will accomplish nothing, and that this all depends on the thread itself being willing to work within the system. Obvious abuse should be obvious, and truthfully, there can be no system (1/2)

>>41783613
that is perfect in all ways. Here is the overall points we need to understand.

>1. Is the current system of satisfaction to most anons?
>2. If not, what system is preferred.
>3. If that system is decided on, how do we word it in functional terms.

Overall, in truth, I would propose simply having a vote in regards to these three measures, indeed, voteanon, I would prefer if we held a vote that said

"Do you believe that the current system of voting is satisfactory. If not, explain your preferred alternative."

To my knowledge, the only one that has been proposed is this one, as the flaws of the randomized groups is so flawed I wouldn't think it even deserves any regard after its deep flaws were exposed. Share your feelings about the voting system when you make that choice, it would be bloody better than the discussions honestly to hear from the current voting representatives.

Bump

Still busy with bakery redesign. How's everyone tonight?

>>41790750
>oshi streaming
its a good night so far

>>41792259
I wonder if Saplings would like cute mammoths. Pretty sure modern mammoths would eat fruit. I digress. Would be nice to have Sapling fiends again. But then again we'll shitpost deforestation again.

>>41793070
Deforestation bros?

Not the deforestation shitposting again...

Designing a bakery with housing on top is more complicated than I thought. Also I completely forgot about the rising room needing to be around 37 degrees Celsius. Arctic north winds, support beams, fire hazards from ovens. I'm overthinking again. Just wish I had some feedback from someone who knows construction.

>>41747223
I mean they’re more like humans with opossum bits than the other way around but they can still carry babies on their back, especially for the more nomadic ones

>>41761222
>>41762156
Personally I think my writing style’s kinda dull so I wanted to make it something more interesting to read, but then again if I want it not to be a snoozefest maybe I shouldn’t have named it something like “Palkyries: An Ethnographic Overview”
I’m trying to remedy that by adding more character to it (literally) hence the writing sometimes draws from personal experience of the IC writer. Maybe it’ll be more apparent when I get to something more down to earth

>>41795451
https://youtu.be/gFkdcsgPke4

>>41795451
Write it like an actual ethnography probably, and include more on the ethnographer's actual experience when doing field research so it's less dull than dry analysis of their customs.

>>41795451
>>41796129
I think changing the approach might work. Have you tried writing in the perspective of the native telling the ethnographer that this is their culture and what it means?

>>41769454
Hey what's with the OP change? Virtual Liver is Dumb and there's no L in VTWBG.
Very bad, rethink your decisions OP
0/10

>>41796129
>>41797120
The ones that I found are even drier and more impersonal than what I ended up writing which I suppose is more fitting for scientific research, but I can’t imagine people sitting through them unless it’s a topic they’re very interested in or they’re doing their own research on the topic

>>41797880
I guess some fields of study don't make entertaining reads for the masses.

>>41798192
Which is why I probably shouldn’t have picked this format

>>41798940
At least its not a Star Trek rip-off.

Dead hours already?

I'm out of time tonight. I'm thinking about sacrificing one of the ovens to put an insulated rising room in between them. The ovens will be insulated so they won't heat the wall. Rather than start a fire to warm the raising room maybe I can use the residual heat from the ovens to warm a room between them. If not then I'll have a back-up plan.

>>41806353
But im out of my head when you're not around

https://rentry.org/palkyries#psychology
I wrote more about Palkyrie psychology but I don’t know if this is a good interpretation of what justice should mean for them

Excuse me faggots but I wanted to make my own world separate from this thread and I have some ideas. Very rough btw
>Each of the Hololive/Holostars girls/boys are gods of city-states with their own powers appropriate to their character
>Generally a moderately serious setting.
>These gods gain power through influence and positive attention
>Each of these city-states controls territory in a hexagonal shape of roughly equal size, representing their influence over the land itself
>The world is flat and shrouded in impenetrable fog. The fog has slowly lifted over time as more gods emerge (join the company IRL), so the order they appear is roughly analogous to the time they debuted
>In universe, approximately 120 years have passed since Sora appeared as the first god.
>The talents often collaborate or feud to gain worshippers or starve others.
>The talents who have left the agency are represented by ruined city-states and empty lands with their followers having been absorbed by the other talents. Example: A giant fucking hellscape where Hololive China's talents once were
>Open warfare is uncommon due to the gods powers but fights between them are not unheard of. Sometimes they may poach the lands of neighboring talents for worshippers or resources.
>Antis are represented as savage godless barbarians from the lands beyond the fog, barely human and often teeming with monsters in their ranks.
>The gods are powerful but they are not fully immortal and can be killed or succumb to illness
>Still need to come up with deets for each nation's territory. They should all be relatively distinct.

Thoughts? Yes it's retarded, no I don't care.

>>41811920
looks like a retarded attempt at worldbuilding by a /#/fag

>>41811920
>each of the holo-
Stopped reading right there

>>41811920
This thread is suited to freestyle writing.
Your idea sounds like you want to make a Civ4/5/6 mod. Not that that's a bad idea.

>>41797291
I think it's pretty based anon, 10/10.

COMING SOON TO YOUR THREAD! THE MAIN EVENT WHICH YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!

Starting this Friday the 27th at 4pm EST before the gates close on this SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY the 29th at 3pm EST, there shall be a vote WHICH shall DECIDE THE FATE OF THIS THREAD.

The current acts include:

1. The placement of /jidf/ (>>41500127 for reasons)
2. The placement of /wvt/ (>>41695574 for reasons)
3. The placement of /pkg/ (>>41695574 for reasons)

AND DO NOT MISS THE FINAL ACT that WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING: (EXPLOSIONS BOOOOOOOOOOOM)

4. VOTING REFORM! https://rentry.org/39iwaf
Do not WAIT, do not HESTITATE. For this GRAND EVENT is only for a limited time only! BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XODoCxv9Itg

Notice: All proposals must be submitted by Friday at 12 pm EST for appropriate discussion, and the right to postpone a proposal is at the discretion of this event's organizer. All wording must be verified by Friday at 3pm EST.

You have the right to vote Aye, Nay, Abstain, or not cast a ballot (Blank)

Aye means you agree with the proposal.
Nay means you disagree with the proposal.
Abstain means you wish the proposal to have more time and refinement, thus waiting for another voting session.
Not casting a ballot means that you do not feel comfortable voting for the proposal in any measure or that it is beyond your own concern.

Refunds, late proposals, and late ballots will not be accepted. All rights are reserved to Mooner Entertainment Inc.

>>41814323
I support the placements, regarding the vote reform. This seems like it needs more refining to be done, and I am unsure what to say overall. It seems like any major changes to the way we do things in the thread gets a lot of support for one or two days and then all attempts to continue the discussion fizzles out. It deserves more discussion, but I am not sure I really have a problem with the proposal. But the anglos idea of just having a vote on "should we change the system" is good idea for me since that should be step one regardless of anything.

>>41814323
wasn't the PKG region meant for akio+corpo?

>>41816036
No, because /myspace/ got kicked out of aa + corpo so /aeg/bro didn't see a reason to give them anything since he didn't want to write for them as much as /myspace/ (RIP).

Interactive map isn't accurate, since the reason for the name change was myspace was part of corpo for a while. The death throws of cyberlive were interesting thread wise to say the least.

>>41816036
I asked it to be changed outright to corpo when myspace was still part of it. As of now, its a total mess. Menace can be discussed in lig sometimes and corpo but i dont think its accurate to name it corpo.

>>41769454
Change corpo back to myspace please

Anyways, boobro, once we get on the map, ill start working. Same to PKG. I extend the offer to pcg and 774 for me to work on their map again that i fucked up by saving over it.

How do you represent Goslings in universe? Are they like unicorns or something different.

>>41811920
Thank you Haaton, very based haaton

>>41817147
Goslings would probably be like a subculture or an ethnic term since they're very distinct from unicorns.

>>41817484
Can you go in depth here?

>>41817510
Are you asking me to describe the difference between a gosling and a unicorn or to make up an entire ideological subculture for goslings and being a gosling?

>>41817585
If you are willing, describe the difference. I sort of know but its good to hear other opinions

>>41817771
Unicorn is a term describing posters who believe in "purity", chuubas are meant as substitutes for emotional relationships and the parasocial nature of this is a necessary element that should be maintained as an aspect of the relationship. Generally unicorns hold things like interaction with the opposite sex in an intrusive way and promiscuous behavior outside of audience interaction.
Gosling refers to someone with an unttainable desire or obsession that causes them to struggle or face mental hardship. Goslings in terms of chuubas is used to reference individuals that have fallen in love with a chuuba and while enjoying the feeling, also recognize that their love will go unfulfilled and that they're harming their ability to socialize and achieve a true emotional connection by devoting their time to an unequal one, or some shit like that

>>41811920
I'm thinking I'll take some of these, thank you Flat Earth Haaton.

bump

>>41793532
Mother Nature has no right to tell me where I can and cannot build a supermarket.

On voting reform:
Sure, the idea and proposal are fine to me. No system is flawless, and this one has ones that have been pointed out.

However, I cannot separate the fact that this was pushed so hard for like 3 days and when it comes up now, no one even bothers to discuss it. The truth is most of the issues of this thread come down to the perception of others and the assumption of wicked intent or something of the sort by many that gets thrown at people like me over small matters. The issues with both the current system and the proposal are the same in reality. It's all about assuming the worst about things, wanting to make a failsafe method and problems that frankly do not exist.

Do you really want to know the biggest problem with the proposal? Most anons, truthfully, don't have strong opinions on matters and therefore either just go "Yeah sounds good to me." or don't vote. There really isn't a major problem with the current system aside from this thread's on misconceptions about reps. I support the regions SOLELY to fix that issue since as has been mentioned, the idea that voting should be tied to one person per nation/region/whatever is the root of many concerns. While it is true that I believe local things like placement and borders should be done regionally, I don't think that this system particularly is the only way to make that possible.


I am voting in favour of this solely to destroy the writer =/= vote concept, and furthermore IF ANYTHING, we can test this out for one vote to see what happens. Does that sound reasonable to at least see how a system works in practice before we use it? Heck, try it this vote!!!! See what happens.

>>41816754
Man that sounds fucked up. total Chinese warlord era I see

>>41814323
If the other /meat/ writers are around guess it's time to discuss
1. The placement of /jidf/
I vote yes.

2. The placement of /wvt/
Also yes.

3. The placement of /pkg/
Also yes.

4. Voting Reform
This I really like!
>New Vote System
Just like what I suggested! I really really love this!!
>Minimum of 2
indeed! Single writer threads will actually get a say now1
>New Writing System
I feel like this will add another layer of bureaucracy since each writer will have their own intricate web of connections
On the other it's a great way to rank merit. actually talk with someone who knows their shit!
Are we allowed to provide our own personal cv of sorts? Just list down any and all threads we are familiar with
>debate session for placing threads
I love this one. a rite of passage indeed.

Overall, a great YAY from me.

>>41822572
>see how a system works in practice before we use it? Heck, try it this vote!!!! See what happens.
I doubt everyone will instantly get it

>>41793532
Hire ri2ner to commit ecoterrorism

>>41823090
True, I would like more time but I think that complaints would happen less if we had a trial run of a few sessions overall.

>>41822956
>Are we allowed to provide our own personal cv of sorts? Just list down any and all threads we are familiar with
I think that is a good idea overall, just requires honesty like all things.

>>41822572
not quite up to date with the discussion since desu, it didn't matter too much to me, but 1) it's good that the conversation was had. their silence now could be due to any reason, including the fact that most of their points would be repeated, or it could be that they are busy, etc. 2) while it is true that people have often assumed the worst of people when that would have been uncalled for, in matters of system-crafting, you need to assume the worst, and craft your system accordingly. you should have a system that can withstand the worst intentions, instead of hoping that everyone in the system will have good intentions, no matter how much larger the number of good-faith actors are in comparison to the alternative. 3) while it is true that most are expected to be apathetic, if they are not antagonistic towards an idea, it means that it is either not important enough to make them bother to talk about it, or things are seemingly moving in a good enough direction that they don't feel compelled to change anything. either way, if it ends up being a mistake, it can be changed later on. 4) testing the new voting system while voting on whether or not we should implement it is a terrible idea. let's test out a new voting system where only i get to choose things. if you can imagine what might happen with the new system while you are voting on it you can voice your opinion of it before you lose your ability to vote on it. the only way to make your suggestion work is to have another vote to simulate how it would work, but there is no difference between that and just using the new system normally. overcomplicating things would also make it hard to try it before we vote on it, so the best option is to vote on it, test it naturally, and then vote on whether or not to change it back if enough complaints are brought up, which was what we were going to do anyways.
basically, i agree with the way things are being done right now.

>>41822956
>>41823810
What does cv mean here?

>>41823851
mid-section is beefier than i initially imagined, but idk how to edit it to make it more eye-pleasing without changing up the grammar, and by then it would likely be too old to delete, so sorry, i guess.

>>41823851
>so the best option is to vote on it, test it naturally, and then vote on whether or not to change it back if enough complaints are brought up, which was what we were going to do anyways.

Agreed. That wasn't something I thought on there.

>>41824006
"What are your skills?"
"1000+ posts in /pkg/, 20+ posts in /nenmen/, started X meme in /vtAI/"
"Welcome to the team"

meatbro banned so he asked me to post.

>>41824591
tell /meat/bro he can use the gurochan thread if he wants to talk to us while he is banned. doesn't necessarily have to be about /vtwbg/ stuff, but if he doesn't want to do dicksword-related stuff, he has another option if he thinks it is more appropriate.

>>41824591
Yeah that's what i thought.
>Started /vtwbg/
there. that's my resume.

Damn what did he do this time? I just got a thread running.

>>41824747
done

>>41774201
alright, let me respond finally, life demanded me till now:
>Regional Borders
Anyoone is free to suggest better border for the regions but from what we worked out this made the most sense for us when we made them in regards to balance of opinion, current activity and some concerns some might have such as falseflagging.

However these are not meant to be remade before every vote. unless there has been a significant shift in activity such as one region being overly active and another only has 1 writer left, there should not be changes made. Just because someone in one region is gone for a week doesn't mean everything needs to be remade. and as for "active" i merely set the standard as, someone that at least semi regularly shows up, writes for a thread or partakes in discussions that we know of.

>2. point
Splits aren't meant to happen nilly willy, in fact the numbers given are more a demosntration than some hard rule. a region that has 7-8 people active that all are pretty much on the same page, maybe got 1-2 that don't even care about voting and overall come to a conclusion quickly don't really need a split. that would more be for when a region either gets so big that the logistics oof a discussionn because an actual hindrance or within a region people cannot come to an agreement over and over and thus a split should be considered.

for the same reason i mentioned that if a split for example in the niji region happens it should also be looked if a potential split on the holo continent makes sense to keep a balance of opinion and not make this a singling out of people or having the same odl issues with a new coat of color.

>Intraregional Discussion
no, every writer for a region should be allowed to partake in a discussion, that includes potential people that might write for threads in different regions. however if you clearly have a main region or simply write for several different regions you should also accept that people of a region might consider your opinion with less weight due to that. that should not mean it should be dismissed entirely however. on the other end if a thread has several writers while another just has 1, then people should give the one person a fair weight because obviously 5 people for one thread will more likely be of a same opinion or desire a certain thing. if we were to completly disregard the weight of nations itself we would jsut go back to the initial problem that made a voting system necessary in the first place when kronies and their multitude of writers kind of overpowered the rest of the world.

as for how regions themselves handle things is probably something that each region needs to figure out how to best handle it, to say that the same system for the niji region works well for one of the indie region would be bad.

being unanimous would always be preferable but if 9 writers say yes and 1 says no then the opinion of the majority should be respected.

as said above, if certain people in a region continue to not come to a conclusion, thats when a potential split should be considered the most.

and if only one person strongly feels about an issue and the rest don't but are fine with that opinion then that is how a region handles it, not much to do there, such is life and by agreeing with the one strong opinion even more apathetic people made a choice of their own.

>point 4
if for example i was the only active persoon left for northern indie, by having to talk with the south, thats still at least the next closest people to talk with and still gives me more weight than what the current vote system does. i was the only rep for a region for the longest time yet i was just one vote of 10-20 votes and basicly had no say in matters for my region when it came to that.

to give examples, when the whole decision to give /pcg/ more land because of phase invaders happened, i was the only one to vote no despite the only person on the whole continent at the time and it mattered not because people from threads unrelated to them made that decision instead.

same with the name "indeia" which i have always made clear that i hate that name due to its origin and hwo it came to be yet barely anyone ever respected my opinion on this matter despite again having been the only rep of the continent named as such for most of the time, while most happily continued to use the name chosen by someone not from that continent and who named it for their own personal reasons that had nothing really to do with anything related to the continent itself.

so even if it might not be perfect with the new systme either, it woould already vastly improve the matter than the old way ever did.

>Writing Tiers
Canon for a nation even with what was reworked months ago was never meant to just be in the hand of a singular person but instead decisioons for canon always were meant to be weighted by knowledge of a thread by people. and yes there could be more than oen loremaster tho it should not be the go to

>>41824977
ty.
>>41824915
>Damn what did he do this time?
/meat/ is suffering. also, you have a way larger resume than that. don't undersell yourself like that.

>>41824915
Picrel. As expected.

>>41825048
I also want to make it clear I drew those borders in 5 minutes in paint. They arent never supposed to be perfect but mere guidelines.

>>41824977
Copypasted /meat/bro's answer on gc
1. Agree on /jidf/
2. Agree on /wvt/
3. Agree on /pkg/
4. We should make a mock session to field test this. See if it works.
I do agree we need to test this first. Let's do it with a fictional non-canon scenario so that there shouldnt be any actual bias. In theory.

>>41825048
>more than one loremaster
i believe it's more of as an hierarchy of reference if there are multiple people of the same thread. since most of us are solo it wouldnt affect much.
>decisioons for canon always were meant to be weighted by knowledge of a thread by people
BUT it will be great for collabs and cross-thread projects. we all have lurk on more than one thread. and some of us have seen stuffs the others havent when we lurked there. Like, I was there for a while in /clg/ and i like to check up on kronies in /inf/. this system can be a legitimacy check when we pool our ideas.

>>41825138
REALLY?!? THAT WAS JUST SARCASTIC CONDESCENDING CHAN SPEAK!

>>41825048
to expand a bit on the writing tiers.

they are less meant to "label" people but rather to

1. give a view for outside people who might be a potential person to ask for advice and who should be invovled for considering canon fo a thread.

2. to also ease some pressure for writers because if its clear they are not a loremaster for a thread but someone with less knowledge so maybe don't try to engage them for important poltiical decisioons for that thread or also just to simpyl signal that this person can and probably will make honest mistakes in representing a thread at times and that is not meant with ill will and engaging them and talking about such mistakes is a more civil and positive manner because i feel that in the past also a big issue was that people assumed that everyone has knoowledge X foor a thing.

big example here would be alice and panon way back with the starforts in /risu/ where the mentality kind of was "you are a rep for a nation and engage with collaborative work with a different nation, therefore you need to ahve perfect knowledge" while obviously neither was and would only be assumers for /risu/ with the proposed system, a different example more recent would be hagchad and /meat/. But people also then should not jsut go ahead and say "you are wrong, i advise you to read our lore before engaging with writing with us again." but isntead actually then point out mistakes and give actual feedback and explain your lore unlike in this example.

>>41825710
Next week, if this passes, we will debate some random subject and see how well it works. I also want to test the interior decision making as well.

Just submitting the proposed wording for now.

Placements
1. /jidf/ (>>41500127 for reasons)
2. /wvt/ (>>41695574 for reasons)
3. /pkg/ (>>41695574 for reasons)

Voting Reform
4. Do you agree with the overall concept presented in https://rentry.org/39iwaf?

Notice: This is merely a proposal and not a solidified bureaucratic piece of legislation yet. The plan for this ought to be:
1. See if the overall concept presented is accepted.
2. If it is, put what is written in there into a trial period where we can see it work in practice. Hold a trial session for example.
3. As things go alone, various kinks and wording shall be worked on until a polish final version shall be made.

>>41826232
I approve of this, especially the trial session. That is really needed imo.

>>41826232
i approve of the changes, good idea on a trial.

>>41825710
>fictional non-canon scenario so that there shouldnt be any actual bias. In theory.
Suggestions?

>>41827283
The integration of Kawaii and Phase into one company.

>>41827283
Megas's proposal to annex tsun

>>41827350
>>41827471
I feel like these should be more general so that more people get involved instead of just the ones that care about kawaii and pcg

>>41827551
X holo graduated

use the island vote, its a real thing that needs discussion and voting to finally be finished, is soemthing that concerns everyone but not high enough of priority or impact that if the new vote system fails hard is setting thread back as a whole

>>41827551
Well, what about the new cooler climate model? Obviously it needs more discussion anyways and furthermore, holding a mock vote on it could help us gauge it if we decide to put it up for a vote.

>>41827722
>>41827741
Both of these. That way we can have two relevant topics that will need more discussion regardless.

bump

bump

usually at this time people are more active. where is everyone?

>>41833841
Getting mcds. You want anything?

>>41834242
I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.

>>41834491
So a large soda, got it. Smh nigga thinks mcds sells numbers...

>>41834543
pretty sure they do. i haven't been there for a long time, though.

>>41833841
Job.

>>41833841
Cum.

Afternoon.

Time for the Main Event!

>Placements
1. /jidf/ (>>41500127 for reasons)
2. /wvt/ (>>41695574 for reasons)
3. /pkg/ (>>41695574 for reasons)

>Voting Reform
4.Do you agree with the overall concept presented in https://rentry.org/39iwaf ?


Notice: This is merely a proposal and not a solidified bureaucratic piece of legislation yet. The plan for this ought to be:

1.See if the overall concept presented is accepted.
2.If it is, put what is written in there into a trial period where we can see it work in practice.
3.As things go alone, various kinks and wording shall be worked on until a polish final version shall be made.

You have the right to vote Aye, Nay, Abstain, or not cast a ballot (Blank)

Aye means you agree with the proposal.
Nay means you disagree with the proposal.
Abstain means you wish the proposal to have more time and refinement, thus waiting for another voting session.
Not casting a ballot means that you do not feel comfortable voting for the proposal in any measure or that it is beyond your own concern.

>>41840300
https://rentry.org/moon-vote

>>41840300
/v7/ votes:

4. Yes, I have made clear my support for this system several times.

Bump

bump

>>41840300
Nijisanii males votes:
1. Y
2. Y
3. Y
4. Y

Bump

bump

Bump

Is it a busy time for everyone? I know a lot of second semester projects need to be done.

>>41769454
>Virtual liver
This is what happens when you drink the liquid coolent

bump

>>41857914
Waaahhhh NNOOOOOO YOU CANT USE ANOTHER VERSION OF THE SAME WORD

bump

On one hand we lost some kitchen space. On the other hand the kitchen should be more efficient. Also I'm thinking about changing the sinks into cooling racks where bread will be on full display through the window. Between the kitchen and the store floor is a half wall.

GIMP is a better map-making program than Krita.

>>41864342
The ideal name is now this, i agree anon.

dead thread

butt

bump

Tomorrow I'm going to try to have the first floor mapped out. The goal is to build a bakery and housing for at least 24 beds. Assuming other Sanalites can find boarding elsewhere like camps and garrisons.

bump

bump.

>>41840300
Hoshiyomi Votes:
1. Yes, welcome
2. Yes, Logic makes sense.
3. Yes, Logic makes sense.
4. I have no real opinion. I think the voting works just fine as it is but if the system changes, it changes no?

>>41840300
/Mep/ Votes:
1.Aye, welcome aboard Jew. I will watch your efforts with anticipation. I don't remember if I welcomed you, but welcome to the project. I am more than willing to provide assistance.

2.Aye, in retrospect, I think they should have not turned into provinces or at least treated like the thread that they are. /wvt/’s history dates back to /trash/ I think if I am not mistaken because ENvtubers were not allowed to be discussed on /jp/. They would be the oldest western thread I believe, and they should be represented.

3. Aye, I think that one of the bigger problems recently is that either people are not being honest which leads to them possibly sockpuppeting just to have some fun, or that things are being seen in the wrong light which leads to dreadful accusations that did a lot of damage to trust and camaraderie amongst our thread. Moonafic has taken the righteous approach here in my opinion. He has made it clear that, yes, he intends to write for pkg because he has a great love for them and ultimately wants to have fun. While there may be concerns about meta gaming, like «Oh he is just using it for allies or trade!», that really shouldn’t be concerning because if anything this reinforces his own good character here. I also have good reason to believe that this has nothing to do with allies, and trade is trade, no? This overall in my opinion will do a lot to healing the thread, as just being allowed to do this will allow for more freedom and fun.

4. Aye, I agree with this for a number of reasons.

First, it was thought out well by those who made it in my opinion, especially the arithmetic that goes into this that makes things less vague and more concrete.

Second, there is no denying there are two 'hostile' (I do not personally hold this view overall, I think a lot of it is just stress and circumstances that have led to mistrust and suspicion of malice.) groups now overall. I want to get rid of that perception by all means. It just isn’t healthy. Groups are fine, normal, and natural to occur. It is in our nature to associate with other people, and I am not quite sure all of us can be friendly and engaging to all people like souls such as Rumina anon, OG, Moonafic, and Alice are. At the same time, the groups that do develop should not be hostile to each other. Thus, on that base line, and seeing how things usually end up working, I support these groups overall and meta/geopolitically, it makes sense.

Thirdly, I would not have voted for this if it wasn’t made clear that this format is supposed to be a work in progress, something that goes through a 'trial period' before we polish it. From my own real-life experience in the Marine National as an Officer, and in my real-life work, this is essential in my opinion to get things to work properly. We will not see many problems until this is tested in action. As one saying goes «All plans do not survive contact with the enemy.» and in this case, this remains somewhat true. Who knows how it works in practice beyond concept?

Fourthly and finally, I absolutely love the idea of devolution of power in terms of minor border changes just to the regions. How this works is something I don’t know if it was mapped out, but I think it should be consensus. Furthermore, I support the concept of allowing nations to be placed as well. After all, why should I truly care where /jidf/ is placed upon the map unless they were next to me? I voted for it because I generally support the placement of nations within reason. Finally, intraregional discussion is something I particular enjoy and feel is something that this system encourages because it allows you to plan territorial changes from wars for example in advanced like Indeia did (Sorry retro, I only call it that because I feel like that is what explorers would have said, it is not to insult you or anyone from there but rather it is a short way of knowing what I am talking about, and lore wise makes a lot of sense to me unless a truly better name comes up. You guys may absolutely call it officially something else.) I, for example, agreed to some minor border adjustments with both OG and Moonafic based on natural boundaries by rivers that would change the map and given that /risu/ is a hotspot, this is ideal for me because a few pixels, when both threads agree on it, should not be something warranting a major discussion.

>>41840300
https://rentry.org/ehe-vote

>>41783613
>I think that anyone who contributes a fair bit of lore or is exclusively focused on one region should have a say in it
So traveling writers would have a hand in whichever regions they contribute heavily into then? It's a tricky situation because some parts of the proposal seem fairly abusable, but obviously we don't want to restrict people too much or we end up back at square one. It's difficult to say where the proper middle ground lies. Out of curiosity, what of foreign nations who are heavily involved in another area in lore? Say, 2434's investments into pcg or morig having strong ties with risu? Would they, and should they for that matter, have any say in changes which may affect their relationships with other nations?
>this all depends on the thread itself being willing to work within the system
While I agree that extra bureaucracy can be frustrating, the fact remains that the thread has proven itself to need the handholding. There is enough bad-faith posting here that it evidently necessitated a new system, so I don't have much hope for every anon being willing to work within the system. That's why I wanted to highlight potential problem points now and hopefully make it easier to catch the abuse that will happen down the line or potentially avoid it entirely. Overall, there seems to be less and less trust between the anons who don't work together and I worry a bit that this shift will only deepen these divisions between us and further isolate the regions from one another. But I know first-hand how impossible it can be to remove animosity once it begins to take root. The biggest problems with this thread can't really be solved unless people are willing to chill out a bit more and not jump to accusations or assume the worst in one another, but we wouldn't be in this situation if that were the case so I guess we have to work around what we have. And sorry if it feels like I didn't address all your points properly btw. I wrote this up in a weird way and sorta ended up cannibalizing some of my thoughts here and reincorporating them in the post below.
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>>41822572
>this was pushed so hard for like 3 days and when it comes up now, no one even bothers to discuss it
I do wish more people would be up for discussing major changes desu. It sucks being the only one willing to entertain playing the devil's advocate just to get people talking. If no one seriously sees any problems with the proposal and thinks I'm not making any sense at all then I don't mind bowing out, but when 90% of you say nothing at all it's tough to gauge whether people generally support this or if they've even read through it or what.
>It's all about assuming the worst about things, wanting to make a failsafe method and problems that frankly do not exist
I mean, we saw firsthand with the sakuran falseflag and the divegrass polls that there are people apparently willing to shit things up. From where I stand, it seems like these problems aren't just idle fantasizing about worst-case scenarios. If this thing isn't bulletproof then we will get schizos trying to shoot it down every which way they can.
>There really isn't a major problem with the current system aside from this thread's on misconceptions about reps
We don't need to overhaul everything just to correct some misconceptions. Hell, the current system technically IS the region system, just that the regions are the individual nations. If the rep is really the core of the issue, then just do away with it. Some threads don't even have an assigned rep and just discuss it amongst themselves before sending a random member to cast the "official" ballot they've agreed on. As for voter apathy, there's only so much that can be done to get people invested, but we do have some options. For one, maybe we could add a requirement that people properly explain their rationale for their votes in order for it to count. If we're worried about not enough people getting involved, then place a minimum number of votes being needed for a major change to occur or something. Obviously we might want to be less stringent with certain votes, like adding in new nations so people don't get delayed pointlessly. Personally I'm not a fan of pushing big changes through without there being any alternatives to compare against so hopefully that gets people thinking about other potential solutions and what pros and cons each may have.
>we can test this out for one vote to see what happens
A lot of what I've been trying to think about is what situations could arise if this system were used, so I'm definitely in favor of a trial run. That would probably be one of the best ways to iron out any kinks.
>>41825048
>Anyoone is free to suggest better border for the regions but from what we worked out this made the most sense for us when we made them in regards to balance of opinion
From what I've seen, it seems like people who were grouped together seem to have very similar opinions, Not only is this unbalanced, but it has the unfortunate consequence of creating echo chambers and possibly lending itself towards having more egregious changes passed without much opposition or discussion.
>in fact the numbers given are more a demosntration than some hard rule
I'm not sure that's coming across clearly in the document atm. When the proposal was presented, it seemed like it was supposed to be a polished project that had been worked on extensively rather than a WIP concept asking for discussion and changes. There are also some anons like >>41888205 citing the concreteness of the numbers which are apparently still in flux. As much as people don't want extra bureaucracy, the specificity is needed to avoid later confusion, just as no one knows how reps are supposed to work in the current system.
>Intraregional Discussion
This is another example of the proposed system being rather vague in how it will actually function. That being said, a trial vote will hopefully help settle some of this out.
>point 4
That's fair, and although one could argue that you're losing a bit of agency for the more major votes, I can see why one might find that trade-off worthwhile. This does make me wonder though, couldn't we just try a more flexible system where regional issues like a shift in borders are "voted on" solely by the nations directly involved. Taking this system to its logical conclusion, do such things even need to be voted on if there are no outspoken objections by outside nations?
>decisioons for canon always were meant to be weighted by knowledge of a thread
Having a bunch of lore archived with varying degrees of canonicity is a hundred timeloops just waiting to happen. People are already finding things disorganized enough as it is, and I'm sure no one would want to find their work overwritten by someone with higher canon clearance. Or am I misunderstanding what you are proposing here?
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>>41769478
https://rentry.org/ehe-navy
anchor under ehe lore. Also relabel /ehe/ as Kanaruca.

>>41840300
/mhm/ casts it's ballot.
>1. aye
>2. aye
>3. aye
>4. (blank)
yes i have read this, though not shared my personal views bc of work. personally, i have no real concern for what system is used as long as it works fine and people overall are happy with it. leaving this option blank is thus my vote for it because i do not have an opinion strongly on this matter, and am content with the current system despite its flaws but also happy with what i saw in the proposal too.

>>41894378
>For one, maybe we could add a requirement that people properly explain their rationale for their votes in order for it to count.

just going to comment on this, i see no reason to comment much on by law wording nor on the placement of nations if it is reasonable. when i comes to major changes, that is obviously different and i agree there. there is of course nuance to this...

>>41840300
Votes for /who/
https://rentry.org/n5pzd
Confirmation using a story in our lore
https://rentry.org/73web

>>41894378
>From what I've seen, it seems like people who were grouped together seem to have very similar opinions,
i mean yeah, thats the point to some degree, we aren't creating regions with people that will clash just to have constant arguing, people in a region being of a similar mindset is a positive, not a negative in my view
>I'm not sure that's coming across clearly in the document atm.
this always was labeled as a proposal so not sure what to tell you here, we hardly can specify the correct lines of where too much is too much etc. without actually testing it and also even then 4 people in one region might have more issues with each other that make a split worth considering than 8 people that are mostly in full agreement.
>This is another example of the proposed system being rather vague in how it will actually function.
if anything, this would be the first step of discussion among the regions onn what they see fit as the best way to handle things among themselves.
>That's fair, and although one could argue that you're losing a bit of agency for the more major votes, I can see why one might find that trade-off worthwhile. This does make me wonder though, couldn't we just try a more flexible system where regional issues like a shift in borders are "voted on" solely by the nations directly involved.
no because this can easily turn back into the /uuu/-/who/ issue of both nations "agreeing" when one party isn't really invested in their part. another example recently was aegbro who after everything that happened and seemingly didn't have much love anymore for his former thread wanted to cut his nation down to 1/3 of the former size, which is also not something we should just let happen in itself.
>Having a bunch of lore archived with varying degrees of canonicity is a hundred timeloops just waiting to happen.
there will not be varying degrees of canon, if its written and fine then its canon, the only time this would ever be changed is when for example i were to write for /nina/ which i might not be the most qualified for and later on we get a writer for /nina/ thats way more qualified and considers the previous stuff not fitting for /nina/ at all. but this was also already how it was meant before when we had situations of people writing outside their own nation.

>>41840300
https://rentry.org/Rumina-Voting-Record
I love my wife!

rep are you gonna vote this round?

Here are my thoughts:
>1. Agree. Climate's perfect for (((them))). Not that many regions with Levent-like climates left in the world.
>2. Abstain.
>3. Abstain.

>4. Agree. Absolutely needs a trial period. Although I think the spirit of it is admirable, Kobokek said most of the things I wanted to say. The region system is very redundant. I think it should only be applied to decisions directly related to the region/continent in question. And for the suggested benefit of promoting regional cooperation between anons I think the current system, in that there is no system already works okay. The problem is the imagined groups that schizos and anons themselves conjured up. The tiered system is also something that I don't think should be an actual rule. Again the current representative and loremaster system already does that! Though I agree anons could explain their history with the thread they are writing for better so people could trust them. Since this project have transformed much from the pioneer era, where almost threads actually have participation and discussions in them that can verify an anon's identity. Being more transparent this way could make anons more trusting.

The proposal needs a lot of ironing out though I'm not opposed to a trial to see if it can help with things. My opinion on most of the things wrong with the thread is still just don't bite bait lol and don't throw insults at each other willy nilly. But if the system can be proven to work while not impeding things too much I will welcome it. I might be interested in rewriting the current bylaws and intro doc to specify the "roles" in the thread, as an alternative to consider after we have finished with the trial.

If you are not gonna vote you okay with transferring it to me for this week?

>>41895670
>>41895299
nvm

>>41895670
>>41895711
Yeah, sorry, I only vote for >us on things that concern us.
I don't think I'll change my vote, althought it may seem selfish.

>>41840300
/2434/ vote:
1. Yay, I never see an issue with placement unless it is totally ridiculous.
2. Yay, voiced my support for this already. (>>41696368)
3. Yay, voiced my support for this already. (>>41696368)
4. Yay, solely because of the trial period. I have to agree with all the others that the idea this will fix everything is silly, but to quote Koboker: «i would rather see something tried out to fix the problems that to sit around and think its just fine because it is not just fine.» If that means we try something new, then I support that because I am not happy whatsoever with the state of the thread at all.

>>41895804
Can I ask why you abstain then when abstaining means as was stated "you wish the proposal to have more time and refinement, thus waiting for another voting session" and aren't just doing what others are doing and leaving no response for things because it's beyond your concern?

>>41895804
Nah that's fine. I think the trial is gonna happen regardless since that's probably the thing keeping anons from agreeing to it.

>>41895951
Alice-samaaa I miss you!!! Please dont leave me!! Uuooohhhh!!

>>41895390
>people in a region being of a similar mindset is a positive, not a negative in my view
While I agree that we don't want people at opposite ends of the spectrum forced together and in constant screaming matches, pairing everyone up with their buddies feels to me like it may cause some issues. At one end, they may be less likely to shoot down crazier ideas due to unconscious biases. On the other hand, it gives people little reason to leave their regional bubble and I fear that things will get worse with reduced collaboration between the regions. We may have to agree to disagree on this one.
>issue of both nations "agreeing" when one party isn't really invested in their part
I suppose one solution would be to let the relevant threads decide for themselves with everyone else stepping in to veto if things seem unfair, which is also kind of what was happening already in those cases I suppose. But judging where that line should be drawn isn't always easy to be fair. Overall, general apathy seems to be a recurring issue which will most likely cause problems in any system we use.
>>41895390
>there will not be varying degrees of canon
Ah, good to hear! That would have been a pretty surprising proposition to make.

also gdi why does everyone always wait until the vote is already underway to start discussing things properly and making their opinions known

>>41840300
https://rentry.org/ap-global-vote
https://rentry.org/AP-Global-General-Lore
vote and verification!!!

>>41896357
i think people are somehow makign the regional thing bigger than what it is meant to be, the regions first and foremsot only matter for the purpose of voting, they should have zero impact on lore writing. just because i am in region A and you are in region B does not mean we cannot write with each other or that this should have any impact on collaborative works

and yes, this is exactly why i wanted it included for the vote despite fully knowing this is not yet where it needs to be in the end but otherwise many simply don't chime in as i already said before. "as long as it doesn't matter for me now, i don't care." is a common trend for many matters.

i also don't believe that this change in itself will magically fix everything. the biggest point to me here is that a "new" system will also bring the feeling of "new" thinking and that some of the shackles created in many peoples minds can be loosened with that. if nothing else, the only thing i really feel strongly about is seperating voting and writing from each other because i feel thats where a lot of issues actually arise from and with the current system i have no faith that when something big will come up that many people will put in votes for their own objective view on things but rather if and how it will affect friends of theirs.

if anyone wonders why, take the last time i proposed the shared island between /vrt/ and /nasfaqg/ and how most people wanted to have it talked out more yet many of the same people didn't say a single word about when panon marked the islands that alice wanted for /2434/ without any discussion or vote about it at all despite in both cases it was islands that were added by the mapanon based on the desires we spoke of in the thread for writing usage

>>41897133
>panon marked the islands that alice wanted for /2434/ without any discussion or vote
If you remember, when that actually came up when your vote happened, most people said that wasn't right.

>>41885699
>4. I have no real opinion.
So is this an abstain or what?

>>41897117
>i am all alone in the south aside from vnug, who I WANT TO INTERACT WITH ME!!!
Have you considered actually posting outside of vote posts then? Because that's all you do.

>>41898303
Except they have anon, do your reps.

>>41898420
Oh please, do spoonfeed me

>>41898482
Nah, if you are too lazy to actually do your reps, then your opinion is invalid.

>>41898575
So what you're saying is, you can't find them yourself and you're full of shit.

>>41898647
>>41898303
>>/vt/thread/S40789313#p40839275
>>/vt/thread/S40789313#p40839633

Maybe you should actually know what you are talking about before you say something really stupid!!!

>>41898809
>Jan 12th
My point still stands. Pretty sure most people forgot you exist since then

>>41899100
kek, bro really mad that a writer isn't around 24/7.

>>41897577
no one said it wasn't right, the only thing a few mentioned that the same should apply to /2434/ but hanafag even voted under the wrong impression that /2434/ already got those islands.

and that isn't my point, the point is that when those islands were added and we talked about it sicne they were given for our requests, we said back then it should first be discussed and voted upon yet panon went ahead and declared them for /2434/ on their map anyway and not a single one of people that were friendly with alice pointed out this as an issue, only after others pointed this out was it backpedaled and it then came to a point that it needs to be discussed first and some rules set. a discussion that many cited for their reason to vote abstain and then once the vote was done immeaditly dropped any discussion about it because it didn't matter to them anymore.

a bias is there and its clear, and while my example might make it seem onesided, i also hold the same true the other way around like how a potential nijimales vote may would have gone. and because of these biases i have zero faith in a vote as it currently stands to be objective for a matter and not to consider friends first.

>>41899301
Mad? Nah, just baffled that they bitching about wanting to interact with others, while remaining basically a lurker.

>>41899377
More baffled that you are bitching at all, cunt.

>>41899407
Eyy gotta do something while rolling around in bed, dont I?

>>41899377
>bitching
>They said they want vnug to interact with them.
Seems like Cunt just wants to misconstrue things into drama.

>>41899476
Yes and the water is wet

>>41897971
I think Voteanon understands it means no vote.

lazy bump

I hate OG

>>41908144
I hate bread dog's shitty blueprints.

>>41908731
Aww come on, they are cute!

>>41908731
Sanalites are groomers.

>>41908856
I think I could have picked a better color. I picked the color from an image of a parchment paper. I can change the background color to be less piss. I also can't deal with white backgrounds anymore. I just need to learn into patterns and textures.

>>41840300
https://rentry.org/wgballot
/wg/ votes:
1. Y
2. A
3. A
4. A

How popular do you think honey berry tarts will be on the border town? I'm going with tarts because you can make them out of barley flour. And yes I'm still working on the floor plans.

>>41912230
Not very. This stuff sound’s expensive

>>41912298
Barley is cheaper than wheat. Honey would be cheaper than cane sugar and sugar beets in this region. Alternatively if there's maple trees then maple syrup can be used. And this is /who/. Berries are the national fruit. In the right season berries will be everywhere. Cakes would be expensive in spring and early summer. Late summer and fall they'll be easy to make.

Eventually I want to invest in bee nests to make an apiary but we need more land outside the city.

>>41912618
How will you afford this? How many years will it take?

New floor draft. Just keeping it simple with no furniture. Redid the ovens to have two on the same side. So capacity is 24 loaves per bake. Also there should be enough room in the rising room to have four shelves which contain up to 24 loaves per shelf. So max capacity is 96 loaves. But keep in mind other kinds of bread will be rising.

Can I get some feedback from Hoomans so far?

>>41912944
Farming is a separate project from the bakery. It's more of a family farm than a full industrial business.

>>41912944
Well he hasn't even got the building built yet, probably in massive debt now in Moomcoin. Hasn't completed the paperwork either.

>>41915553
Well, Cunt wanted this to be a mega corporation. Thoughts?

>>41915620
Being able to bake 48 loaves at a time is a start. The raising room can raise 96 loaves at a time. Keep in mind once bread is done rising its immediately prepared and baked. Also the shelves will continually be rotated throughout the day. As for cooling bread can cool on the store shelves in front or behind the clerks next to the low wall. We have to adjust production based on how many customers we get. We're mostly limited by how many ovens and stove tops we have. Worse comes to worse we build ovens outside of the building. This is all assuming we get insanely popular.

Also the lounge area is just a temporary name. Most likely the area will be used for washing clothes, towels, and other daily maintenance duties.

>>41916070
Correction. 24-36 loaves. Its 6-9 loaves per oven. Still in a small space that's a lot of bread.

If there was more fat art of sana or some good architects in council I'd think we'd invest a bit but sadly I don't know of either.

>>41917896
I know what you mean. Sana ate carbs all the time. She was prime architect material.

>>41916211
What happens when there is a poor harvest?

>>41921450
We sell preserved bread. We can cook other things besides bread if we have to. We can choke the ovens and turn them into smokers. Our best meat pies recipes require smoked meat. Also if we make sandwiches then smoked meat is essential. Mayonnaise, mustard, catsup, and other condiments will still be made.

Also we will assist the community by putting our heads together to figure out how to solve the problems that would lead to a food shortage before they happen. Or if it is inevitable then we will prepare as much as we can to help everyone survive.

>>41920534
>giantess
>barefoot
>dark skin
>wide hips
Damn it all, a little bit more weight and she would been a beautiful tower, untouchable by god or man. At least there's another space themed architect chuuba that can fill the void.

>>41923675
I would like pudgy Sana.

Sex with alice, my vtwbg oshi

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>>41915553
To me, it looks quite alright, can sort of imagine how it looks already with my limited imagination

>>41811920
Alright, as a follow up to this, done some more thinking

>All the holomems are now closer to demigods than actual gods. They are ageless but can die from injury or sickness.
>They are sustained through worship and followers. Technology is equivalent to our world's, maybe slightly behind.
>No longer strictly city-states but countries/nations are small, compacted, and generally squeezed together. Even the largest of them don't even have half a mil in population. Total world pop is about 50 million.
>The hexagonal shit was dumb, fuck that
>The land outside of the nations is caked in monsters which frequently encroach, making habitation difficult
>Past a certain point outside chartered lands is endless fog, making it even harder to expand one's territory
>Keeping populations fed and sheltered is hard due to limited resources and lands, which means open conflict is rare. It still does happen however
>When a land appears, they pop into existence from the fog as if they had always been there. When a nation dies (their talent being fired/quitting IRL), it becomes desolate and empty, as well as impassable. This means it's entirely possible to become boxed in by dead lands.
>World's still flat, still 120 years old
>Yagoo is the only true god of the setting. He exists in an infinitely tall tower at the center of the world and smites the civilizations of those who sin in his eyes. He has ended many civilizations who break his rules
>Examples of sins including attempting to annex another territory utterly, attempting to settle in lands of former nations, becoming too large of a nation/expanding too quickly, attempting to use magics that jeopardize the world's safety, or attempting to destroy/conquer Yagoo
>Thoughts beyond it's autistic and dumb? Because I already know that

>>41930281
I forgot to mention. Each square is about 5 feet or a little over 1.5 meters. 5 feet per square is usually my go-to grid because 3 squares is 5 yards or 4.5 meters round down. 5 feet is also enough room for two people to pass without touching usually. Yeah I know imperial units. Which is also what a lot of tabletop games use.

>>41931089
Alright, i did insult this concept last time, but i think you've got a more solid thing now, this one is clearly focused on hololive, which i don't think is necessarily a bad thing.
If anything, I'd say that it's still more clearly designed as a sort of game than a writeable setting, which also isn't necessarily a bad thing

>>41931470
I only focused on them because they're the only ones I watch to be honest
What makes it seem like a game so I can try to squish that out?

>>41931089
If its flat earth does that also mean other schizo shit is lurking about? Is the world beyond the fog just the ice walls? Hyperborea?

>>41931089
Hexagons weren't dumb
I'm telling you bro you want to make a strategy game.
>>41931709
The entire thing is a game or game mod concept... I don't even understand what your aim is if not a game concept.
The concept of this thread is a world where people can write collaboratively to represent the board as a fantasy world. You're sort of taking that loose-rules world and putting more rules around it to make it like a rigid system, like a game.

It's sounds good though. I've thought often I'd want to play a Civ mod of this thread's world.

>>41931709
Semi rival states boxed in competition for resources along with relatively strict "lose" conditions, mostly, that may just be me thought.

>>41932123
Nta but I also don't see how it's gamey really outside of being generally geared towards more conflict. Due explain

>>41931979
It's unformed chaos. When new civilizations are created by god, the land clears. From the perspective of the new civilization, they have always been there, although they cannot remember a time before.
Strange creatures often wander out of the fog said to be the nightmares of god, half-finished mistakes cast out from his vision that sometimes require the intervention of the nation's rulers to best.
This often taxes countries resources, which results in them either cooperating, trading, or raiding each other since flat out invasion doesn't work in this setting
Attempting to enter the fog is fatal. Nothing ever returns from going in. And what comes out isn't pleasant either.

>>41932123
>>41932127
I did kind of have an idea when coming up with this that it's like God playing a game, and that the talents are his playthings given how he smites them when they "break his rules". Sort of like a cruel and angry old testament god sort of deal
I could shift it more towards him being angry at those who directly threaten the continuance of his creations and the world at large however. Like those that present a threat to the world's continual operation

>>41932243
Like I said it's a system that keeps everything in balance. The fog and monsters in a ring around the world could be an interesting thing to write about sure. But it feels more like a set-up for a fun world map that forces players to balance player and non player threats, forces them into competition for limited resources before the next wave of nations get introduced, all while watching their smite meter like infamy in certain other autistic map games.

>>41932426
Yagoo seems like a passive god who allows most threats and conflicts to go on without interference but puts the boot down hard on anything that might cause a domino down the line, though he does personally shill alot...

>>41932766
I know there was an anon working on rules for a tabletop roleplaying game but maybe we should think bigger.
Tabletop Wargaming with this setting sounds cool.

>>41932766
I suppose that when you put it like that, it really is quite like a game, huh? However I was thinking it would emphasize more cooperation
An example is, since these are all vtubers and stuff, obviously, the streaming and entertainment is something which happens in this universe too, but it's also a sociopolitical tool. Your land's ruler plays together with another to entertain the masses, and in turn is energized by their positive feedback. It's almost like propaganda
I also thought prior to internet being invented they'd have used movies, television, books, theater, art, etc...

>>41932790
He's definitely very uncaring for smaller scale threats like plagues and monsters. He only really cares if someone threatens the order of things in a way that may seem to be permanently disruptive.

>>41932918
I play too much Warhammer

If the walls are fine on the ground floor then would you mind if I got started on the second floor. Though I do have a question. I'm going to have to build a fireplace on ground floor in the lounge area so we have a cauldron to boil water to wash stuff. I'm not relying on the kitchen ovens for heat because they're insulated for themselves. If the lounge isn't going to warm the rest of the building then where should I put the wood or coal-burning stove?

Funny story the design came from a 40's diner and hotel in my podunk town.

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Is catbox down or is it just me? I'm getting an error refusing connection. I never uploaded anything to violate ToS.

>>41945955
I checked down detectors. It seems the homepage is up but the file servers are down. Probably due to the new AI that clones voices that's been going around.

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>>41840300
Alright fuckers
1. Yes why not
2. Fuck no
3. Yea, love moonaboi
4. Fuck no

>>41936582
Coal is a no-go. Bad for the environment bread dog. You would be burning that brown coal too. Sanalites would get black lung.

>>41958112
They are already niggers so they can't get it.

i miss meatbro.

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Since when /meat/ and /pyon/ became friends?

>>41962046
there were a few champies that enjoyed posting about ryona, and apparently kiki likes it, so we ended up getting someone who enjoyed both enough to post on both, and /pyon/ seems to be ok with it.

>>41769454
cute

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Chapter 1: has Millie read this general before?

>>41971125
God I hope not

Chapter 2: butte

>>41840300
/nijien/
1. Yes.
2. Abstain, not a fan of placing at this moment like /wg/ rep said
3. Abstain, not a fan of placing at this moment like /wg/ rep said.
4. Nay, i feel like this has been rushed a bit and some of the older anons in this thread really haven't made their opinions clear to me. Not convinced this is overall a good idea either...

>>41957581
what is it with you fucks trying so desperate to be me? ITs not even the right trip....Anyway im gonna do my actual voting now.

>>41915553
Looking pretty cozy. Though I think you might want the "warehouse" to do something else, since that seems a little small. Maybe it's the stair to the cellar down below. Also for sugars I'd say don't worry about it too much. If sugar is expensive then the answer is to just add less of it. Already plenty of natural sugars in fruits for sweet pastries.

>>41971125
Reimu has.

>>41976640
I can make warehouse a bit bigger since its a side-extension of the main building. Probably would be better to make it two levels with a cellar. The cellar won't go under the kitchen. Which is why I'll make the warehouse bigger.

>>41958112
Wood and charcoal (which is wood) will be used for bread ovens and stoves. It depends on if coal is cheaper than wood. If it is then we'll just have a coal burning stove second floor. Wouldn't want to boil water with coal.

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HOW DO YOU BUTT!?!?!?

Chapter 3: any of your nations sell slaves?

>>41980806
We do

>KAG/CIO Lore

>>41981100
>even looks like Alice
what the fuck!

Question for Hoonans: Does the border town near /rrat/ have a river for fishing?

>>41982000
No

>>41982000
Yes

>>41840300
/vrt/ vote:

1. Yes, it is the desire of a new writer for that thread

2. Yes since it is a big part of history for the continent jsut as hlgg that also was kept despite having no writer of its own.

3. yes because even if the reform does nto goo through, the way writing for nations is handled should be rethought by many and even with the old system its not like this gives moonafic extra voting

4. yes because from my view a reform is necessary and while many abstain because they feel it needs to be discussed more before being put to the test. the fact that none fo those people even bring anything up in their vote themselves or afterwards i don't expect there to be anything worthwhile happening if we postpone this. if you feel so strongly about it needing more discussion then i would like to ask you to actually discuss this

>>41840300
>1. /jidf/ (>>41500127 for reasons)
Yes, welcome to /vtwbg/.
>2. /wvt/ (>>41695574 for reasons)
Should have been the case already, I concede I forgot to mention this but this is something that I wanted.
>3. /pkg/ (>>41695574 for reasons)
Ultimately, writing shouldn't be restricted to one thread and if you truly have a passion for a company, vtuber or thread, you should and can write for them. Furthermore, sound reasoning and placement.
>4.Do you agree with the overall concept presented in https://rentry.org/39iwaf ?
Fully because I feel as if I am not the best voting representative for my thread given my inactivity. Splitting up into groups is a wise idea that should help heal wounds and furthermore, help out Indie continent in particular given our nature of showing up every other week or so.

>>41769533
https://rentry.org/votevtwbg1-27to1-29
All measures pass! Check out the details inside.

This week, we are going to test the groups out with the following issues.
>1. Cooler Climate Model
>2. 3.0 Islands
>3. A minor border adjustment somewhere (undecided yet.)

Thank you for participating.

>>41902170
>>41985965
So much for that, huh?

>>41976264
>Anyway im gonna do my actual voting now.
lol
lmao

>>41986711
That was me being stupid, i fixed it.

So by a “test run”, do we mean that the results from the regional voting next time won’t be officially implemented immediately? Also, what is meant by >3.0 islands, and is there a summary of how different nations will be affected by the two climate models and what their stated preferences are?
As for the new voting system, what is the timeline for votes: a ballot is finalized on Friday and discussion happens over the weekend with each region submitting their votes by Sunday? Or will people need more time to discuss things? I suppose we’ll find out in due time.

>>41827722
>>41827741
>>41988742
This is what they are talking about.

>>41989157
Is it a mock vote or not tho?

>>41989157
That doesn’t really say anything though. What exactly is the issue being voted on? Whether the new islands in 3.0 should be added in or not?

>>41989299
I presume it is given that the topics were chosen for that reason.

>>41989406
I don't know, I am not the one who organized that.

>>41989521
>>41989453
You should know you held the vote and gave the call to action.

>>41989814
Im not vote anon.

I dont think there was enough discussion on this whole thing. Retro sort of forced it through like he said he would and now we are left with a flawed system. I didnt even get the chance to vote because vote anon made the vote at unreasonable hours.

>>41990595
Don't worry about it, Mister Pink will bring it up and call it shit in a few weeks and then force a discussion around it.. Just trust in the process, anon.

>>41990595
>a full 48 hours is unreasonable
The votes have been this way for a year now, anon. You have no one to blame but yourself if you can’t manage to check the thread once in a weekend.
That being said, I did notice people saying they were more in favor of voting for any change at all, rather than ensuring it would be a positive change.

>>41990974
That is pinkchama

>>41987464
OG lives rent free in everyone's head whether you like him or not. It's kinda funny.

>>41992513
Yellow woman is the only rival. Well, she probably exceeds him actually.

>>41990595
>wants vote reform
>contributes nothing to vote reform process
>complains after everything is over
typical

>>41991627
No, it is the time that is bad. All votes have started later than this.

>>41993565
It can start at the date line, 0000 hrs on friday for Asia. Irrelevant.

>>41993565
>Voting should be initiated on either Friday or Saturday and left to run for 48 hours before ballot counting and result presentation
>48 hours
>With a week of prep
>With a whole damn week
>A whole 120 hours before it
And your stupid ass will still find something to complain about

>>41945955
Yeah, catbox has been kinda unreliable lately, for me at least.

>>41990595
Grrrr bratty pink shota!! •̀o•́ Needs correction!!! Gimme your candy ass!!

>>41993565
Well I’m dreadfully sorry that this happened to you, anon. Tell you what, why don’t you give your vote now and we’ll see about getting vote anon to throw them in with the others. I’m sure we can all be reasonable here. No need to be super strict about deadlines and cutting off people with legitimate votes to give.

>>41994286
>>41814323
I am vote anon! I understand the joke but NO REFUNDS LATE PROPOSALS OR LATE BALLOTS!

>>41994020
>>41994094
>>41994286
>>41994397
Thats a stupid rule, it should have a start time given since we use 6 pm EST usually, it should be that. Also, never be vote anon again.

>>41994475
I think it's a reasonable rule and that you're being a little unreasonable but he should never be vote anon again, it really doesn't suit him.

>>41994548
kek, he did fine as vote anon. Better than you actually.

>>41994475
>usually
And what for those that don't?

>>41994604
I never made a vote

>>41994548
>>41994475
This is what jealousy does to you folks! to answer the questions about the shit posted, idk i just followed what the thread said earlier. I don't remember the islands well either and would like Retro to clarify. I will be sure to be vote anon again too.

>>41994162
Its back up now. Last night it went down.

>>41994094
it wasn't 120 hours, and is a problem like I said here: >>41773393

How about a new vote?!?
I say we sacrifice Vote Anon to the volcano! I vote yeah!

>>41994983
How about we sacrifice pinkman to the volcano instead.

>>41994983
No, I vote for you to be sacrificed instead.

>>41994860
You're right Pinkchama, the first time that rentry with the proposal was posted was on sunday the 22th. So it was more than 120 hours before the vote. Thank you for correcting my mistake.

>>41994692
>>41995226
I don't care about the timing, it's putting it up for a vote this soon that pisses me off. It reminds me how you piss drinking fanny groomers forced the provinces through without discussing it properly

>>41995074
>>41995209
Let's kill both the anon who suggested it and Pinkman.

I thought 4 meant that we agreed that a new system is to be adopted, not that it would be the tiered system explicitly, was that not it?

>>41995667
If it is obvious, the vote says:

4.Do you agree with the overall concept presented in https://rentry.org/39iwaf ?


Notice: This is merely a proposal and not a solidified bureaucratic piece of legislation yet. The plan for this ought to be:

1.See if the overall concept presented is accepted.
2.If it is, put what is written in there into a trial period where we can see it work in practice.
3.As things go alone, various kinks and wording shall be worked on until a polish final version shall be made.

I don't know what to say..

>>41995878
This is a really deceiving way of wording things, which is another reason why Moonafic should never be vote anon again like I said.

While you guys argue over the vote I'm going to take a break to review my floor plans. I'm going to limit floor plans to two floors and an attic (and I guess a cellar counts as a basement). Also I should draw a mock-up of what the bakery will look like from the outside. The first floor will be made from stone. Second floor will be lighter materials.

>>41995878
I thought that we'd agreed that we were going forward with a change in the system rather than putting in a new replacement, I'm pretty sure that was one of the prevote discussions since even if someone didn't like the new proposal they could make a choice that wasn't apathetic.

>>41996075
What kind of lighter materials? I would imagine good hardwood would work, or you can make the design similar to tudor houses? Kino right?

Also if I ever see this thread called “Virtual Liver” again, i will lose it. Seeing it numerous times has already pissed me off as that isnt our threads name.

>>41996317
Thanks anon, noted for the next bread

>>41996207
Who agreed? Anon, it feels like you have waited all this time to express this concern, when this is agreeing to the concept at hand.

>>41996408
It's not much of a concern but that looked like where the topic was going and probably would have made a better fourth vote in hindsight.

>>41996204
It depends on what Hoomans have available in that region. Since we're on a mountain slope wood's going to be a little scarce. So the first floor will be stone with red brick chimneys. Second floor might be logs sealed by plaster or wattle and daub.

>>41996680
I promise you that i will support your business if it looks like this nasarep!!!!

>>41996381
Change it to Virtual Pancreas just to spite >>41996317

>>41996551
NTA but For the record, when I made the vote, I made it with the intent of deciding how we were going to proceed with it, whether it was agree on change or agree on proposal. I was not told then that anyone really agreed on intent that much thus as Retro desired, I went with agree on proposal. If you had made your voice know, i would have worded it that way.

>>41997038
Nah, just leave it as Virtual Liver and post nijis to cause maximum seethe. Make sure to include Sasaki and HSKW for maximum damage too.

>>41996680
>we're on a mountain slope
Either of the Hoomans can confirm this?

>>41997172
Wait is this about those lulu comments from before about nobody knowing who she was?

>>41997172
Yellow woman EVIL

>>41997463
What??? No, had nothing to do with that at all!!! More that i wanted to be cheeky. Cmon, dont think i am that petty over a troll!!!

>>41997187
Its probably not on the slope directly. Its my guess for the biome of the town being a steppe because it is so close to /rrat/ which is almost all mountains. If not a steppe then a north mountain valley. Which can be pretty cozy.

>>41996847
This kind of construction is called half-timbered I think. The ground floor will be stone. Second floor will be plaster or wattle and daub walls braced by polished timbered wood. The property will be on the edge of town, but will be on a major road for miners and traders to stop by.

>>41996680
Wait how close to the borders do you want the town to be? And do you want it to be more north or south? I don't think the rivers that are basically on the border are that good in terms of fishing. Since those are probably more streams than proper rivers but apparently the rivers bit further from the foot are pretty good for fly fishing.
http://himalayanoutfitter.com/angling

>>41997730
I think a good first step would be actually placing the city on the map, otherwise I foresee this just going around in circles.

>>41998089
The thing is that bread dog said it's a town, not a city. I don't have such a detailed map that I can confidently find a place to put it compared to a proper city.

>>41997600
Just say about where do you want it to be. There's a reason the map is empty aside from a few important cities. There should be quite a lot of places with good mining opportunities within the mountain basin.

>>41997730
I think that would be between you and Cunt. I'm just making the building.

>>41998422
The idea I want is a "trade town". A place where the traders, farmers, and miners gather to trade stuff. Its urbanized enough to not be rural but its not a densely packed metropolis. Which is funny because that's what my hometown used to be during the oil boom in the 40s but died in the 90s.

>>41998422
There, done, finished. Now you can make a more detailed map of the region if you want to.

>>41999235
AIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Bastards stole my pixels. Can't have shit in Region 5.

>>41999968
Extra pixels, like the gentleman ordered

I have the bread

>>42000825
Make sure its not virtual liver

>>42002828
It won't be.

>>42002906
Good.

Why bake while we are on page 9? Who's jumping the gun?

>>42003806
what do you mean? that's a fine time to start baking. ideally, the next thread will be posted before this one dies so we can have a continuous chain.

>>42003806
Hol up

>>42004881
Spoken like someone that never baked. That's early af, no matter what state the board is in.

>>42005588
key phrase is "start baking" as in the bread's not out of the oven just yet. page 9 is a good time to get the format ready, not to post the new thread.