/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>4180393
For the thousandth time, wait until yesterday's streams have gone from the chart before posting it please

>>4180393
Manjisanji very strong, almost beating the Holo collab.

>>4180442
>4chan is one person
>4chan is one time zone
Anon, you GOTTA be more specific than that.

>>4180393
>>be Nijisanji
>>Girls collab
>>3D Ring Fit!!!
>>only 11k peak

Manjisanji.....

>>4180549
9 of the top 10 are Japanese v-tubers, it's pretty obvious which timezone I mean. It should be pretty clear from having 2 of Pekora's daily DQ streams in the chart that you should wait a little longer before posting. Around 4 or 5 am Japan time is the best time to post these.

> 4180393
> be Nijisanji
> Girls collab
> 3D Ring Fit!!!
> only 11k peak

Manjisanji...indeed

>>4180393
>be Nijisanji
>Girls collab
>3D Ring Fit!!!
>only 11k peak

Manjisanji.....

nyanners inclining hard

>>4180393
Wtf happened to female Nijis bros? They can't even beat a Vshojo.

>>4180705
If Tokyo Ghoul and the twink Kanae did it, 30k tops will be what they get, heck, probably just one of them will be enough

Just mass graduate your girls Mansanji, same with Holostars

>>4180705
They’re both enjou whores and one of them isn’t all that popular to begin with

>>4180442
This.
>>4180393
Today the sheep eats the lion

Well these threads are unsalvageable, have fun circlejerking each other with your forced meme for the rest of eternity

>>4180393
Wogh there's Patra in that list, but 17k for asmr? what so special about this one?

>>4180485
I can flip that one around. Kuzuha lost almost 12,000 viewers from his first RE VIII stream. Awful viewer retention. Perhaps Manjisanji isn't that strong?

>>4180984
Slut making content for Coomers

>Not even 20k.

>>4180984
She's on the chart literally every week

>>4181013
>ISRAEL
Oh shit. Is that normal?

>>4180393
Manjisanjibros... are we really not gonna get top 1 this month?

>>4180736
Manjisanji

>>4180393
Patra and Tamaki carrying their companies

>>4180984
She has one of the strongest asmr power level, she's known for that

>>4181128
"Tamaki" is literally the CEO of the company so yeah

>>4180984
She's one of the best vtuber asmr's due to variety. Her vods having short explanations on the differences is nice too. I pretty much am going to try catching her every week now.

>>4180637
Fair enough.

>>4180984
Nothing special about this one, but i'm pretty sure it reached that number because the lack of interesting stream from holo and niji side ( DQ for pekor and valorant for kuzu).

>>4181128
Haneru is the star of 774. Patra just gets good viewership from coomers when she does ASMR. Nobody watches her other content.

>>4181013
I think whenever he plays a huge game like this he tends to bring in a number of casuals (in this case probably more so than usual given some people might just want to see his reactions playing a horror game) who come to check out the initial stream, but then gradually start dwindling down after the first play. The size of that number depends on how huge of a buff game it is. Then it settles on a mix of his regular viewers and the lesser dedicated viewers who want to watch him play something interesting. That’s just my guess
Plus he started it fairly later at night this time.

>>4180393
daily post to remind you that Kanatan is INCLINING

>>4180984
Her monday ASMR is a regular. This is normal numbers for her lately. I still remember it as 12k around Feb

>>4181298
Was expecting more numbers from Haneru’s stream today honestly. It was enjoyable since she’s amazing at bullying Son but I guess her guests weren’t enough to bring it up to the level of her big number collabs

>>4181688
In my dick.

Last week's VOD numbers
https://panora.tokyo/archives/26080

>>4180393
>What do they mean?
The bigger the number, the bigger the dick.

>>4184348
Ohhhhhh, so that one Noel x Flare comic was anatomically correct.

>>4184423
im curious about the numbers on that one, any way you could share?

>>4180485
>>>4180705
>>4180736
>>4180852
>>4181116
>>4181119
Funny how you faggots talk about "manjisanji" (what a retarded name btw, making it like a swastika)

But when you look at average viewers, many males are below females. That part you all ignore, because you only look at the top and that's it.

>>4184693
I don’t think they’re being serious

>>4184516
The numbers are 324018 onthat one n-site

>>4184693
Anon they didn't even make up that word. They just Google translated it from 5ch anti threads lol

>>4184693
>67% of the top tier is made up of males, despite niji having a majority of females (and excluding uiha, who out of her 3 streams in april had an outift and a 3D)
>the bottom two lines are made up of 16% males
thus, Manjisanji

>>4184693
When was this image created?

More important question:How many of them are actually active?

>>4184780
they are when they mention it on every thread they can

>>4185072
that still doesnt make any sense

>>4185112
The ones inactive are the four at the bottom. This image is from april.

>>4185171
Meiji made one stream on an entire month and is considered active?

>>4185171
Can you spoonfeed to me wherever you get these images?

>>4185072
Part of it is that male members don't take long breaks since they're not having sex and thus they stream a lot more and in different hours

VNUMA's final yab

>>4184780
They're being seriously fucking irritating

>>4185626
T-Thanks vnuma

>>4185814
And this is why they'll keep pushing it because it makes (you) seethe.

>>4184693
Two big things you ignore

1. Males have disproportionate representation at the top. Nijisanji is mostly female yet the top ones are mostly male.

2. This is a numberfag thread so of course we only look at the top. Anything else is pointless.

>>4188752
I fucking wish we had more qualitative analysis instead of just people using numbers to beat on each other like a bunch of cavemen with club.s

>>4189044
Qualitative analysis on what, anon? Most of the numberfags in this thread I'd wager are just clipfags that don't even watch their chuubas directly.

>>4190262
Trends in the industry, for starters. Amongst other things, maha5 is really inclining lately with being the first foreign company to set up a JP branch, for instance, yet there's barely any talk of that here for the company that could very well have a solid claim to being the forth biggest vtuber company in the world.

>>4190975
well.. while Nijisanji is busy pandering to EOPs and NijiEN. Hololive is slowly taking over Japan in exchange of scuffed EN management.

>>4192034
was this supposed to look good for hololive

>>4188752
The thing is that you all ignore that other males are below other females. And heck,even at the top there's many female above male. Examples:

Lize and Mito above Kanae and Minato.

Ange above Akina. Sasaki, Lulu, Inui and Nui above Hayato and Ibrahim.

Ars, Kokoro, Hoshikawa above Rikichi

Mikoto above Kaida.

And it goes on.

>>4180721
her song is very catchy

>>4180393
Where is NijiEN on the chart? Surely they are good enough to chart due to their debut hype right? Right?

>>4192872
Read: >>4185072

>>4193785
Yes, I read it. All of those, male or female are doing good and have a sizeable fanbase watching them in all of those tiers.

>>4193655
Even with the genchink buff the dragon couldn't get past 5k. They'll never chart at this rate.

>>4194436
She literally reached 6k yesterday. And they reaching this shit or not is irrelevant because there's tons who don't reach top 25 and still are successful, including a lot of holos. Have some perspective, ffs.

>>4194786
I said they didn't chart, not that they aren't successful

>>4194786
If you don't chart you are a failure.

>>4192554
yes. Nijisanji is pretty big in Japan so hololive getting more known and likely neck to neck now is good. This was Nijisanji in peak 2019.

>>4194989
Most hololive are failures then.

>>4195714
Welcome to modern numberfagging, anon.

>>4192034
What about Tokyo, Osaka, and Kanagawa?

>>4202730
All blue. Nijisanji still dominates.

>>4192034
>>4195290
huh?

>>4203902
How retarded?

Who the fuck searches for "Hololive Production"?

>>4203902
>>4204086
Do Japanese even search Hololive using Romanji?

>>4192034
>>4195290
>>4203902
>>4204086
>holobronies
>fake result image

>>4204086
Retardchama, learn how google trends works before using them.
Topics include all search terms related to said search query.
You're looking at explicit search queries for "Hololive" in Japan while I'm searching for everything related to Hololive (Hololive/ホロライブ and other related search terms)
Same goes for Nijisanji.
All your graph says is that people who live in Japan who use the English internet (foreigners) look up the term "Hololive" more than "Nijisanji".

>>4204530

>>4202730
here you go

Hololive vs Nijisanji - Japan 2018

>>4202730
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=JP&q=%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%20%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%E3%81%98,%E3%83%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96
Check it yourself then

Hololive vs Nijisanji - Japan 2019

Hololive vs Nijisanji - Japan 2020

Hololive vs Nijisanji - Japan 2021 so far

>>4189044
Yeah, numberfagging with no context or analysis is pretty useless beyond being a piece of shit troll.

>>4202730

I think if you're really going to try and check what is buzzing in a period of time, you should use Twitter trends and hashtags. A lot of jps use Twitter. It's not just about ranking as well, it's about how many people used the hashtag in a period of time. Using Google search trends is like trying to compare Facebook to Twitter. Only fucking old people use that.

>>4192034
weird

>>4205567
Zhang is using bot in hololive's twitter tag to spam their hate, it isn't accurate

>>4205646
If you remove Coco it will be.

>>4180485
>>4184693
>>4188752

>>4205935
Then is still results in flawed data. Keep coco. Notoriety and popularity are the same thing. Nobody hates a thing that he didnt like in the first place

Why they removed the no.1?

Any reasonable guesses as to why Nijisanji seems to have lost their huge lead over Hololive in Japan?

>>4207199
Because Hololive basically won the west. They generated enough constant buzz (both positive and negative) in 2020 to make up for their "non-factor" years before.

>>4207199
Me thinks it's due to their content stagnating. Apex is a good buff but you'd be competing against already established streamers while at the same time driving away your non-Apex audiences to your competitors.

>>4207087
This will always make me laugh. Niji is practically admitting that Hololive is totally mogging them.
>>4207199
Where have you been the last year? Hololive is growing rapidly, much faster than Niji. They are already much more popular worldwide and I would argue they are more popular in Japan as well. I mean, you can post all the stupid google search trends you want but Hololive dominates every single youtube metric that is used to measure channel success, growth, and popularity.

>>4207087
our crown nijibros...

>>4180393
I could still remember Sasaki being one of the big draws of the company. When exactly did the shift to Manjisanji happen?

>>4207612
Probably when the fans of virtual anime girls moved over to Hololive because Hololive offers a much better fan experience for cute girls doing cute things. The only fans that remained loyal to Niji were the people who liked watching the males. Hence the transformation to Manjisanji.

Why is pekora so powerful?

>>4207485
That didn't answer the question, I was asking why they're becoming popular not if.
Hololive currently doesn't seem like they're able to capitalize on their audience by pumping out merch like Nijisanji can. In turn it seems like they're focusing on concerts as a revenue maker (each concert seems to be netting them millions in revenue by very rough calculations). I'm betting HoloAlt is going to be their secondary big source of income if it ends up being a success (we're still in the dark on what exactly the scope entails).

>>4185407
anon top male nijis get all the hoes at the bottom.

>>4207774
Hololive offers a unique virtual idol culture, which translates to more loyal and dedicated fans and antis. Nijisanji has their own antis, but they don't last as long as Hololive's antis, and the same can be said about the fans.
The talents also tend to use simple terms to convey their emotions and reactions to increase the range of their audience. Their newfag-friendly contents, combined with the brand loyalty, are easier to distribute than their competitors.

>>4207739
You misspelled Kuzuha. Imagine to lose to male streamer in the era of hot-tubs craze.

>>4207774
Hololive is experiencing the phenomenon of falling upwards due to circumstances outside of their control and just being in the right place at the right time. Their entire existence is built off a series of lucky breaks starting with Sora's Christmas miracle.

>>4207612
If you look at her view in 2019, it doesn't change much, the market is just being bigger and other people is getting more bigger number, Mito's number doesn't change much either, it still the same from 2019

>>4208378
It's pretty amazing how they managed to bring idol culture to the west, for better or worse.

>>4181119
>>4180485
commit suicide EOP retard

>>4208762
Anon, why are faking your reaction to bait other anons to use Manjisanji....

>>4208736
>they managed to bring idol culture to the west
Kpop already brought that anon

>>4208887
It always existed among women. We just called them boy bands back then.

>>4207666
you should stop talking about shit you don't know eop fag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTTaK5eDdV8

>>4208736
They're just the latest in a long series of Japanese idol culture being imported into the West.

>>4208517
>just being in the right place at the right time
It's not just a series of lucky breaks. hololive had the desire, skills, and experience to take advantage of those lucky breaks. Nijisanji had the same opportunity to expand as well. Clippers were featuring nijis and holos equally in the beginning of 2020. But hololive had Miko's nigga moment in 2019. It brought practical experience on how a clueless nip chuuba could look beyond chat cancer and turn them into another gachi source. Nijisanji had a Country Roads moment in 2018, which went nowhere.

tl;dr hololive is better at grabbing opportunities as they arise.

>>4209269
>MUH EOP
I think I know more than you do Manjinigger

>>4209269
まんじさんじww

>>4208736
I think LoveLive brought that cancer

Hololive recruitment is really something. They still keep surprise when released new gens. Like Aqua, Marine, Coco, Gura and Calli. Just 1 person and whole gen is safe. Gen 5 is ok but it not as expected. If next gen dont have that surprise person then Hololive will keep going with slow grow again.

>>4211300
LoveLive otaku hands typed this

>>4208378
>Nijisanji has their own antis, but they don't last as long as Hololive's antis
Actually they do last as long, the thing is there are very few actual "nijisanji antis". For the most part, the antis they have are antis of one particular member, and frequently they have another member as their oshi. Gundou for instance got alot of hate as does hoshikawa. It's just a natural result of the way Nijisanji works.

>>4210347
It was all due to a series of lucky breaks, factors outside of their control or the members themselves bringing attention, not the management being competent.
Meme songs are the type of content Fubuki always made in the past, received modest success until the algorithm picked up on Scatman. Lyger's Matsuri band-aid was reaching 500k views by the end of 2019; that must have been one of the most famous Vtuber clip at the time. That wasn't taking into account Hololive Moments, Miko's nigga moment, Korone's explosive meme potential. After that, clippers just fed the algorithm and vice versa, Youtube recommend them back with anything Hololive-related. Indeed, clippers were featuring both agencies equally but seeing mixed results on Nijisanji clips does make one want to focus more on Hololive as well (looking no further than the Sushi guy)
The best decision that they've ever made prior to 2020 was that Azur Lane collab which was already a popular IP to EOP. They were lucky to hire Coco as well since she got the experience on how to pander the untapped market of the West. She wasn't the sole reason that Cover decided to make HoloEN but she was damn well be one pushing for the idea.
"Nijisanji had a Country Roads moment in 2018", you mean a rapid fanbase of 50- million-sub youtuber spamming your chat to sing the song you didn't know a single lyric of. Tbf, maybe Nijisanji should have made NijiEN back in 2018 if they had had the greatest foresight to predict the market trends but they were just trying to sell their app back then.

>>4214156
>the members themselves bringing attention,
are the members not part of hololive?

Back on topic, there was a series of lucky breaks and also relatively quick pivot to where they think the opportunity is.
>hololive starts as 3D app with a 3D talent in the 4 Kings Era
>Nijisanji debuts Live2D and starts growing like mad
>hololive follows with their own Live2D gen
>bilibili invites hololive
>hololive takes the chance (without the needed precautions as history shows)
>Azur Lane collab happens because of bilibili popularity
>pandemic happens and EOPs have become chat cancer
>hololive pushes out holoEN
Now while I too have doubts about Cover management, that list is mainly stuff that could only occur with management backing. They are fast, sometimes to their detriment, at identifying where the industry is headed and at grabbing opportunities as they arise.

>>4207199
Clips and YouTube algo.
My recommended is full of Holo clips, and even when I watched 3-4 Niji clips that didn't change much.

>>4207199
>>4207436
>>4207466
>>4207485
Nijisanji didn't lose a huge lead to hololive at all. What happened is that hololive got a ton of overseas subscribers. That's how they got a lot of viewers and an absurd amount of people subscribing.

None of this means anything for japanese viewers watching japanese channels, which still is the massive majority unlike in hololive where there's much more of a mix between the viewers.

And before you reply, hololive is more popular overall, this is no secret. But it's not the case in Japan. If you numberfags want to win, you already won, because the world is bigger than Japan.

But hey, if only you all were vtuber fans and not brand loyalists right.

>>4207466
There's 103 vtubers in JP and if 10 of them constantly play apex it's too much.

>>4207666
Always love to see this about "only fans who remained" as if 10k to 1k are small audiences, which is what those girls get in many cases (and they also are above many other males). Numberfagging completely broken your brains, amazing.

>>4180393
jesus christ what do people see in that tokyo ghoul faggot?

>>4216027
Cope and seethe

>muh merch
>muh real events
>muh japanese fans
Nijilosers always be saying the same shit. Why can't they admit they're not as popular as Hololive? There's nothing wrong with liking less popular things. There are groomers out there watching vtubers with 2-digits viewers for fucks sake.

>>4217500
It's not the point retard. This is a counter argument against a person who was saying that the japanese market has hololive as the most popular. No one here talked about that shit, only the retard who mentioned it and I corrected it.

As I said, Hololive is more popular overall with their mix of overseas and jp audiences. That's why they have their size overall in subs and numbers. But Nijisanji and its major branch, which is japan, has 99% of their public in Japan.

I'll make it easy for you to understand. Hololive is Final Fantasy and Nijisanji is Dragon Quest. One is bigger in the world, the other is bigger in its original country. That's it. You can win in the world and nijisanji win in japan with its jp viewers, much like Maha5 can win in Indonesia with its indogs viewers.

>>4217586
A brand new Cope
A new fantastic point of rrats
No nigger to tell us, "No"
Or janny to go
Or say we're only coping

>>4217671
Dilate.

>>4215728
Maybe my points are unclear. The members are part of Hololive, however, I don't think they actively pandered EOP back then, or at least until 2020. A lot of memes about anime girl saying nigga, Korone's cutesy noises,... were definitely not planned or scripted to draw attention. They were out of the streamers' control. 2019 and 2020 (prior to the explosive HoloEN of course) were the perfect combination of events that boost their status to the top of the industry. The momentum was huge.

I do agree that Holo management is shaky at times and still has certain decisions that boil my blood; they did make crucial turns while riding that momentum train:
>sticking to Bilibili when their domestic market was cornered by Nijisanji
>the collab with Azur Lane, regardless of the writing for story events, gave people a basic ideas, relationship about their pillars at the time (FBK, Matsuri, Aqua,...)
>and of course, pushing out holoEN
Their decisions, or just holoEN in general, was backed by a lot of evident metrics. At worst, they would have a sizable audience like holoID, tried-and-true method which lessened the financial risk.

As a clarification for the post I replied to, I don't think it's fair to say Niji was so incompetent to let go of their chances of getting into EN market when they weren't presented the same opportunities. Their methods of expansion were questionable but they definitely tried, since they chose open branches on Asian countries first due to similar cultures.

>>4217671
Kek

>>4216027
>Nijisanji didn't lose a huge lead to hololive at all
from >>4205128 to >>4205257 maybe they didnt lose the lead but Hololive grown for sure took people from them

>>4217758
It makes me wonder if there'll be another industry shaking shift that'll come in the next couple of years. From Upd8 to Nijisanji to Cover to ??? Or is the market gonna stay the same for awhile like how YouTube is pretty much the default place to go for Video content.

Stop circlejerking about your console wars and give me max viewer predictions for duck's new costume faggots

>>4217865
maybe one who improves with good tech

>>4217671
There's no discussion to be done it seems.

>>4217758
Sure, that i can agree. But there's still a lot of lead.

>>4217875
5

>>4217875
70k, I only found out about it today, I assume many will miss the live because they didnt even know about it

Sorry, bit of a newfag, but what happened to the records of Dec. 2020 on vnuma? Any reason it's hidden/erased?

>>4218480
why you don't use this shit in english?

>>4218480
Where's the manjisanji retard? Yashiro behind Himawari.

>>4217875
Pekora and Marine streaming over her, that's going to knock it down by quite a lot

>>4218324
Wanna recalibrate?

>>4218696
Guess even the holos themself don't know about the reveal lol.

>>4218635
Why don't you do your reps faggot?

>>4218712
被せ禁止枠ではないです!よろ! at least use a translator EOP

>>4218750
Mobile fags, preasu understand

>>4218750
And yet the JP/ID/EN collab got delayed because of it and nobody else started at the same time as her and Nene cut short her stream to continue it later

>>4218888
so what? doesnt change the fact that subaru would allow it anyway. Also doing a collab when these 3 are streaming it's a suicide

>>4180393
Hmmmmm

nijiniggers DONT LOOK!

>>4219088
Niji Chronoir Bilibili stream have 550k pts between them, how can we compete holobros?

>>4219199
>bilibili
ngmi nijibros...

>>4219199
>numberfagging bilibili
State of nijinigger lmao and that number is low. Even the bitch had more number than that

>>4219272
B-b-but this is from pure jp company, so their numbers should be worth 3, no 5 times their holo counterpart

>>4181688
It's crazy how she has been maintaining such solid performance and it seems nobody talks about it.

Nijibros, don't look. It's only that time of the month. Oh, wait how many times was it again this month.

>>4220451
Duck, I kneel

>>4220451
I saw 126k but it doesn't matter that much
>13.7% of total subs came to watch
>Fashion week range was 7.5% to 12.5% of total subs
Shuba performed beyond expectations. I guess the dancing duck meme worked.

The duck peaked at 126k, does this mean she now has the title of most viewed outfit stream for JP and 3rd most viewed in hololive history?

>>4220573
ngl, I didn't know she could pull these numbers. I guess this slays the Golden Week rrat in Ayame's outfit reveal

>>4220651
*slains

>>4220590
I think it's because Marine ended her stream and directs her viewers to the outfit reveal.

>>4220606
Nah. Marine and Noel went 130k+

Subaru is a pro. She got 80k when reading marshmallow, 110k when reveal outfit and higher after that. Even after revealed outfit it still up at 122k. Subaru really know how to keep her audience.

>>4220651
Of course she can, big stream like this are usually tied with how popular the holo is and how well connected she is with the other holos (that way their viewers will actually watch her). Subaru in this instance is very close with all JP gens and both ID and EN branch

2021

>>4221331
nijibros...

So shuba`s beat all the jps from fashion week right? Only behind Mori and Gura if im not mistaken.

>>4221331
who is the VTuber with the grey cell? I can't read moonrunes except for Nijisanji and Hololive

>>4221855
That’s Hal, he hosts apex tournaments.

>>4221331
already printed, framed, and hanged on my wall. the streets will never forget the molly whooping nijiniggas got in 2021. the pure dominance from hololive cannot be understated.

>>4221331
Nothing is beating that Gura stream except for Gura 3D

>>4221331
Nijisanjibros???

>>4221331
For those who can’t read runes, the Nijisanji ones were on the official Nijisanji channel while the Hololive ones are on individual channels.

>>4224025
How many lived viewer did HoloAlt had?

>>4221331
Damn, so close to a sweep. Although even without Niji, Hal would still be there so I doubt we'll ever get an entirely Hololive top 10. Any guesses as to how much Moona's 3D will get? The nips seem to still be into her based on yesterday's MC stream. Since they're gonna do the 3D in Japan then it should get a good time slot. Any possibility it breaks 100k?

>>4224134
100k I think.

>>4224223
It'll definitely hit 90k at least, but it probably won't be happening anytime this year

>>4221331
Bros, how do we save Nijisanji and what ever happened to Hima? Isn't she one of Niji's most valued talent?

>>4221331
>everyone - 新衣装
>pekora - エイプリルフール
kek

Manjisanji

>>4216027
>point out the reasons Hololive succeeded over Nijisanji
>"b-brand loyalists!"
Absolutely retarded. As for you post, you are making a non-argument longer than it needed to be.

Hololive was the biggest clutch an industry could experience. They went from being an also-ran agency competing among giants to being at the top of the VTubing world. They didn't just become the most popular brand of the industry; Cover demonstrated that they have the capacity to observe the market, turn on a dime and adapt to sudden changes.

You said so yourself Hololive is more popular overall because they have the global market as they playing field. What you didn't say (and refuse to admit) is that this has a reciprocating effect. The more popular a brand becomes abroad the more likely it is to gain influence at home, and this is starting to happen within Japan (slowly, but surely). It is an understatement to say that AnyColor dropped the ball heavily on this, just like Activ8 and Upd8 dropped the ball with Kizuna Ai.

>>4217586
>This is a counter argument against a person who was saying that the japanese market has hololive as the most popular.
No one even made that claim. The whole focus of that was around Nijisanji losing influence on the VTubing industry from a point where they had complete dominance.

>>4217742
>I don't think it's fair to say Niji was so incompetent to let go of their chances of getting into EN market when they weren't presented the same opportunities.
But they were presented the same opportunities. They had multiple videos of them circulating alongside Hololive. The streamers (and by extension AnyColor) were simply not interested in making genuine effort in approaching the market. All we got was a Pajeet branch pretending that they were even relevant to the west.

>>4218656
That's a presentation of live channels, no? If he isn't there, he isn't streaming AFAIK.

>>4225496
Remember this? They had every opportunity to capitalize on this meme but didn’t

>>4225693
How do you capitalize that?

>>4225496
A lot of them don’t seem interested at all of expanding outside of Japan to begin with. With already being successful at home they didn’t feel a need to expand.
Hololive needed to out of survival and reaped all the benefits.

>>4225770
By being proactive for Pete sake

Here are your numbers for today

>>4225968
>123,513
VNUMA...

>>4225839
True. But also, it seems like chuuba agency top dogs regularly fall into complacency like Actv8/upd8 and currently Nijisanji. hololive could follow the same pattern or they could find a way to stay hungry. Maybe there will be a resurgent Nijisanji or another competitor that out innovates them like the time Nijisanji upended the industry with Live2D and they'll react with as much speed as they could muster again. Or maybe they'll transition into an IP media company with holoalt, becoming more like Disney with chuubas instead of princesses, and compete with another set of companies. Who knows?

>>4225856
I feel bad for the dude who had his art reposted so much it reached a meme corpo account

>>4225968
2021 is the year of the Duck.

>>4225968
36k?
Seems low for the "strongest" generation.

>>4226602
At least Nijisanji isn't as dead as upd8/.Live though. Anykara is already investing into their 3D tech and god knows if Yumenographia would be relevant as a proof-of-concept for their future plan. Only time can tell.

>>4225968
2 obscure Nijis with 25 and 20k viewers? Why are they botting? What's the point?

>>4227409
>Touya
>Obscure.

Even with the Seto boost, Astel is only just beating Rate my takeaway. Sad.

>>4227719
based and norfpilled

>>4224285
I fear the numbers she will draw in once an official outfit reveal is announced, and i mean it both ways, more than her peers ...or less than her joke one

>>4224223
it depends on what Pekora says about the event, no kidding, if she hints at calling in it'll generate Pekomama levels of expectation, and if (given better conditions by then) she actually surprises everyone and gets on stage I can't even imagine the sudden incline once word gets out

Do the people who say mansanji here know what the japs actually mean when they say it

>>4227115
ttrpg filters the hell out of people, I expected less than 10k before the 4th episode

>>4228433
Do you think a bunch of EOPs are even familiar with Japanese net culture, let alone net slang involving their entertainment sector?

I'm going to be honest. I come here just to see the number because my god, the stupid tribalism, numberfag and hate against nijisanji on here is really sad to see. I know this is 4chan and all but I wish this place was better for discussion instead of being so toxic.

I can already wait for cope, seeth and all of this because discussion isn't what people want on this thread or for that matter, about nijisanji on 95% of this board. Sometimes it makes me wish I was just a holofag like I was months ago before I got into nijisanji.

>>4225335
I don't even have forces anymore to discuss on those things. It just makes me depressed to see the state of this place.

>>4219410
That has no logic. "pure jp company" never will have more than overseas.

>>4227868
She blindsided this thread with a measly minecraft collab that's been barely advertised. I think she'll be fine.

>>4219469
She's A tier, but people tend to focus on the SS tier performers (Kuzuha, Marine, and Pekora)

>>4212320
I thought Niji-fan or Niji-anti usually focus more on Ichikara/Nijisanji as a whole rather than targeting any particular streamer; i.e. they tend to support/attack the company's image. This is in contrast to Holo gachi/anti where the Holo is focused individually, which can result in mental breaks for the chuuba like Aqua.

>>4229180
It's 4chan. There are still decent discussions around. Just ignore those reaction posts.

I'm actually really interested to see what kind of Numbers Pekora's watch along of the Dragon Quest 35th anniversary event is going to do. Her daily Dragon Quest streams have all been leading up to this so I think it has a chance to do huge numbers.

>>4180393
It means Animare is going up in the world, and that’s a good thing.

>>4225968
It's always a good day when Miko is in the top 10. I will have a good day today. Thank you Miko!!!

>>4185151
>>4185814
It genuinely started as a joke...
Saying this is going to fucking encourage people to do it more you absolute fucking tards.

>>4224223
I don't think MAHA5 or NijiID has a 3D yet, so this would be the first ID talents getting a 3D, right? That should create a lot of buzz in the ID community, and the debut would get at least 100k.

>>4229948
Do foreign branches even get 3D for Nijisanji?
That’s not to say the huge backlog of 3Ds they still have to get through.

>>4230133
They haven't yet, but if/when travel to Japan becomes possible I'm expecting at least Hana/Bora and the ENs to eventually get 3D

>>4227115
JP3 is the strongest, and EN1 viewership retention is the lowest.

>>4180721
Good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_schizophrenia

Thoughts regarding these numbers?

>>4230133
They will prioritize Japan first as there's many that still need to do it. But I can see 3D happening in 2022 for overseas.

Virtual Real already has 3D btw, and while they are part of anycolor, at the same time they still are a bit separated.

>>4225968
i saw 126k when Subaru showed her long hair (after going down to 121k)

>>4226602
Transitioning into an IP company might be the ideal scenario for Cover. The Vtuber industry is far too volatile so putting all of your eggs into that one basket is a fool's errand. If they get lucky (Yagoo Luck EX), they might become the next Fate. And at that point, even if vtubing takes a down turn, they can transition to producing anime, and hopefully a lot more merch. I really do have to commend Yagoo for being able to see beyond the forest and trees. Him chasing Zhang-land early on when niji was dominating Japan, and actually listening to Coco about the potential of the western market always keeps ahead of the curve. His execution of said vision mostly sucks, but he does get there in the end somehow.

>>4232852
The only problem with stuff like alternative, or any kind of media based on the characters but not the chuubas (even holograf), is that it feels off.

You aren't getting the real person. Scripted stuff has a totally different result.

>>4233202
Holograf is very popular though so it's not like that is turning fans away. If they do alt scripted media I think the fans will be fine with it as long as the actual chuuba is doing the voice acting.

>>4233202
It's probably why it's very important for them to work closely with the talents with how their want their characters depicted. Yagoo currently gives them a lot of freedom in how they want their character to be perceived.
Honestly the only way they could fuck it up is by not having them voice their own character.

>>4233392
Damn, could you imagine if HoloAlt gets an anime and becomes a success and they're able to somehow mix the anime's lore with their streams. Imagine all the creative shit that Ame could think of. Like if her character died in the anime, she could maker her background into the underworld, and she can basically blame her sucking in games to the afterlife having bad internet.

>>4236223
Wasn't there a TV series that tried to do something similar with a game, where the game affected the story to some degree? I can see how this could be next step into creating integrated, interactive media.

>>4236410
Are you referring to that one Xbone game a couple of years ago that had like its own mini tv series inside the game itself (never played it)? Anyway, I agree that this might be the next paradigm shift that both the chuuba industry and maybe even entertainment media itself might possibly be heading to in the future. Basically taking the concept of interacting with anime characters in real time to the next level.

>>4229180
Because nijinigers is too elitist that people who are not holofag wanna shit on them. When Hololive starting to spread in the west nijinigers be like "im happy there are no english comments in Nijisanji chat. They are fucking annoying", "This is not Hololive, if you want to write something, write in Japanese", "Hololive is begging for EOP superchat". And now what "number 1 vtuber company in the world", how do you feel when being dethroned by the thing you shitting on.

>>4180705
If it was their three best male livers the stream wouldve been a 80k watchers at the very least

>>4230205
The viewer retention on that stream was surprisingly strong, almost a constant 35k the whole way through, which is really surprising since the content could essentially be described as Mori giving a lecture whilst the rest of the group fills out a pdf. Was actually a pretty good stream though, surprisingly, I think the TTRPG will become a strong staple for the gen.

>>4241916
I wonder which party would be the equivalent record breaker for Hololive...

Gura, Marine, Rushia?

>Manjisanji

Did you guys know 5ch shitposters in japan just call it Mansanji?

>>4242057
Gura and Shion or Gura and Pekora

>>4241966
i doubt it will become a staple but maybe we get more ttrpg streams in general since they tend to give us some amazing moments

>>4242140
Why should I care about a place where someone like Luna is popular?

>>4229652
That's true in the west because nobody watches nijis around these parts so they don't actually know much about them individually, just that they are considered hololive's main rival. Also its abit of a stretch to call those guys antis, its just shit talk. The real antis are Japanese and usually fans of some chuubas while hating other nijis for tarnishing their image, see the shit storm when chigusa sang virtual to life after a month which got actual nijiniggers to get their panties in a twist because she hasn't earned that honor yet.

>>4229180
Anon, the problem of your initial argument is reducing hololive success to a series of lucky breaks. It’s simply illogical. A person could have infinite lucky breaks but cant or wont capitalize it. On the reverse, a person with no lucky breaks could find a degree of success. That your arguments broke down to ad hominems indicate that you realize your initial premise was wrong but decided to double down. Take this as friendly jii-san advice, everypost in this shithole is wrong and trolling you unless they provide evidence and arguments that can’t be argued logically away and then accept that it’s true, especially if that means realizing you’re an idiot. Of course, that means getting to know enough of a topic (and debate) to spot shit but thats what LURK MOAR is for.

>>4180393
nyanners still inclining

For all you numberfag who've gotten too used to Holo/niji/vshojo numbers, hop over to >>4241619 if you want to see what actual bottom of the barrel looks like

>>4245641
Retard, do you compare GSW with the Clippers? The Dodgers to the Marlins?

There's no point comparing to literal trash because all you get is a false sense of superiority and complacency.

>>4246167
Then stop all the fucking bankruptcy soon posts, there's not a single vtuber who gets regularly brought up here that is at risk of quitting for financial reasons

>>4246304
>bankruptcy soon
I'll say this as a former Niji fan. It's not going to happen 'soon' but they've been in a bad place for more than a year now. They're spending a lot of money on something that no one cares about, like giving 3d models to those irrelevant people, just look at their pathetic declining viewers for every new 3d debut. Not to mention the major debut bullshit for their shitty ass singers.
And no, Nijisanji livers aren't as rich as you think. Most of the 'top' ones in term of viewership or subscribers, don't get that much superchat at all.

>>4247004
Isn't Ayame supposed to be a superchat powerhouse?

>>4250676
She is. She just doesn't stream as often as most of the others, so she grows slowly.

>>4247371
Yesterday niji was a black company that didn't care about their lower ranking members, today they're dying because they care too much about their lower ranking members. The song changes too often.

>>4247371
I thought Niji was about merch sales and not superchat

>>4251290
The irrelevant rangers just got 2.0 recently, no? That's obviously not true.
>>4251777
That's just nijifags coping. Why would people buy merch when they don't even superchat?

>>4247371
This

We can tell from superchat numbers and estimated membership totals that, even if you assume the low end of them only taking home 30% of those earnings, that most of the Holo girls are very well off. You can't say the same about Nijis.

Sooo can BOOTH merch likes be a reliable number to consider for merch sales? cuz while seeing both niji and and holo shops on BOOTH, i saw that the likes is quite comparable.
Niji females got 100-500 likes while the males goes as high as 2900
Holos on the other hand is quite even with most girls getting 1000+ likes with the more GFE ones like rushia and lamy rivaling the niji males at 2000+, while the holostars got 100+ likes, contrasting the nijis

>>4254230
Do you need to purchase the item to make a like? Otherwise it seems pretty useless as a metric.

>>4254230
>Niji females got 100-500 likes while the males goes as high as 2900
Holy shit MANJISANJI

>>4254230
Gonna wait for Gura's official merch to use up my merch virginity. I just hope she puts out a shirt or a hoodie so I can use them outside

>>4254386
same desu.

>>4254245
that's what i thought too, but given that BOOTH is used by mainly JOPs, i'm speculating that the "western youtube likes problem" is less of a factor here

>>4254230
Why are Niji males so dominant? It's not like the girls are less talented considering females usually dominate the biggest Niji events like concerts etc

>>4254245
You can just also count the pictures that people post in a vtubers hashtag. Lamy's recent sake. People are recieving them already. I saw some people taking pictures as proof

Always wanted to see Ame's Apex numbers when she doesn't do fake outs every 10 minutes. She probably could get close to 20K ish if she went all out with Apex grinding, people like to watch ranking streams, but she tilts too easily.

>>4254996
>but she tilts so easily
Yeah, that is why we love her, lol. The fake outs are great.

>>4180393
That Tsukino Mito stream was a good one

>>4254900
males are better entertainers
by nature
always were and will always be
its just that holostars are dull and boring garbage
cover need a better scout for their male division

>>4254996
>>4255022
If this was twitch. Sure. If she did while streaming in JP primetime, noone will give a shit and just move om. There are some holojps that will stream at the same time. I wished hololive scheduled it better

>>4255056
You know you are talking in a board full of incels like you adoring the same very few number of girls right? That your special manlet is only here because fujos love him right? If he had any self respect, he would choose a gorilla as an avatar.

>>4255056
Can't they just follow the same formula as Hololive? Don't let their be collabs between live and stars except if both agreed upon it like with ID. Plus, Yagoo should've raised them as a boy band group and hire EN clippers for them.

>>4255056
>males are better entertainers
>by nature
Numbers say otherwise. What you said might be true for normal streamer/youtuber but it's not the case for vtuber. Female can do way more with their avatars/characters so they're way more entertaining than male.

>>4255139
>Numbers say otherwise. What you said might be true for normal streamer/youtuber but it's not the case for vtuber.
Not him, but you're contradicting yourself right there. With male being a vtuber he need to be a good entertainer or people just won't watch some dude with anime avatar streaming or that would be gay. If not people won't watch tokyo ghoul with his usual >10k people watching him or are you telling me that he had more than 10k female watching him play apex.

>>4255246
>needs to be a good entertainer
>plays apex
bold of you to say other anons are contradicting themselves

>>4255139
>Numbers say otherwise
they dont
niji is the only vtubing company where males and females are presented equal opportunities
u can see the outcome

>>4255455
hes dogshit at apex yet still gets viewers

>>4255455
Explain to me how he could get almost 50k people to watch him play fotm horror game where almost everyone has already seen and sick of seeing it already. Face it anon he's entertaining enough to be a heavy hitter in the vtuber industry, and he's a fucking male to boot.

>>4255486
Then ame would be dogshits shit then

>>4255056
Stop lying to yourself, nijisanji is dominated by female viewers.

>>4255467
And despite how some of them can compete with mid-low tier Holomems in term of live viewers, all of them got stomped by any Holomem doing special streams.
>niji is the only vtubing company where males and females are presented equal opportunities
Nope. They aren't equal. Female Niji are in a very disadvantageous situation because Hololive exist. People choose Hololive over Nijisanji if they want to watch female vtubers, but they don't choose Holostars over Nijimale.

>>4257727
I wonder how long until Niji just says "fuck it" and debuts an entire gen of males. It's clear from how awful Niji females do that fans just go to Hololive to watch female vtubers. Niji females are basically the Holostars of Niji. Kind of funny that the two companies are so similar in that regard just with the genders reversed.

>>4257822
>I wonder how long until Niji just says "fuck it" and debuts an entire gen of males
valz & voiz

50 Niji girls have a highest average viewcount than the most popular homostar, please for the love of god shut the fuck up already

>>4257822
I think that 3 guys gen before 5 girls gen is doing kinda okay(compared to other mid-low tier Niji). They don't get huge viewerbase but some of them get relatively high superchat.

Guesses for Ui-mama outfit reveal? closer to holo's 10% of subcount or more like niji's 60% bigger than normal stream? Derived the niji estimate from lulu -- 6-8k normal stream/12k outfit reveal

>>4258290
25-30k

>>4257822
Proof that you retards have no clue what you’re talking about

>>4259247
Cope nijicuck. Facts don't matter, perception is reality.

>>4184348
Imagine Gura and Pekora's dick...

>>4258290
>>4258356
40k peak for Ui-Mama. She's definitely an honorary holo

>>4262379
The power of hololive

Where is today's numbers? There's like a whole lot of streams today

Nijisanji girls start losing popularity when they begin to get considered a male cocksleeve

Happened with Himawari
Happened with Ange
Happened with Sasaki
Lulu started collabing with males and lost 1/3 of her fanbase never recovered

Lize and Mito can sort of maintain their popularity because they don't regularly have collabs with male chuubas

>>4263096
Faggots on this site don't want people to post the numbers until a very narrow, specific time slot.

>>4263134
>Ars is more popular than Ebio
>Gundou is more popular than Kanda
>Ririmu is more popular than Kou
>Ange and Sasaki are more popular than Belmond
>Chaika is the least-subbed member of Nijisanji Resistance
>Only 2 of the top 10 most subbed Nijis are guys
>Hisupi
>Hoshikawa

>>4241966
Cover has Gamers and VSingers, what would it take for them to get a Dungeon Master Gen started

>>4263134
You might be right on some of them, but Subaru and Shigure Ui were Maimoto's cocksleeves too(the latter still is). Look where they are now. And look at the current Maimoto. Does this rule not apply to non-Niji?

>>4263134
>>4263246
The duality of cherry pickers.

>>4263474
Ever since Subaru stopped collabing with Maimoto her popularity skyrocketed, curious....

>>4263337
that would never happen, just be happy we got some chuubas who like it

>>4263556
I think it's all about trust. If Subaru or any Holo girls act like they'll not collab with male, then people will believe them. But with Nijigirls, all it took was one collab with male and the trust is permanently gone, because that's niji culture. Male collab with female like it's normal.

Here are your numbers for today.

>>4264811
Pekora couldn't even beat Ui. Sad.

>>4264811
Ui leeching Subaru got so much viewers, sasuga. Also the two nijifaggots cant even reach 30K, the state of nijisanji

>>4265714
>Ui leeching Subaru got so much viewers, sasuga.
Brilliant move. Not even agencies are that clever

>>4264811
>Shigure Ui
>43k
The Hololive buff is real.

>>4265830
sadly she didnt get half of what Subaru got yesterday yet its impressive, and its funny how now she totally ignores her other "son" cause he end up becaming a low tier niji lol

>>4266028
>mom focuses on the succesfull sibling and not on the failure
wow just like real life

>>4266136
kek yes, anyway she looks cuter with Subaru

>>4266028
she has a son?

>>4266282
I think he´s name is Mamoto or something like that, he is a niji

>>4264811
I thought anons here were just kidding but fucking Manjisanji is real after all. How do we fix them Niji ladies?

>>4266028
Nijis generally don’t have the same relationship with their artist that Holos have right?

>>4266486
Depend on the individual, but yea even some of them don't know their mama/artist