/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I won't kneel to that tranny Zen, so no.

>>4171279
Fuck Nyanners

>>4171279
>western w______

>>4171279
2nd biggest

1. Hololive
2. Vshojo
3. Netflix
4. Kizuna Ai Inc.
5. Manjisanji

Obvious bait

I think that speaks volumes to how subpar the companies below those 3 are. I think the only other one doing decently is Mahapanca since they announced 3rd gen auditions while others like MyHolo TV lost a whole 2nd gen.

>>4171279
Really? Aren't the majority of them literal who's?:

>>4171279
Oh yeah, everyone seeks to kiss the ass of the bronze medalist.

>>4171399
It's a simple fact. They have the third most subscribers and that's despite only having a couple of members. In fact, if we apply a much better metric, average subscribers per talent, which makes much more sense fiscally, as it allows prospective business partners to immediatelly understand how much reach they can get by booking VShojo, we will see that VShojo are already number 1. For them, it really paid out that they only hire the best, most talented people instead of running the shotgun approach of Nijisanji and Cover corp where for every Gura you get literally a dozen duds like Aloe, Iofi, Aki and so on.

>>4171279
they're too busy kneeling for chad, anon

>>4171279
Why are like half of the threads on this board baits lately

>>4171279
Good. Can they just stay on their side and don't cross over?

>>4171523
Why is everything that's not a Hololive circlejerk automatically bait? Shouldn't we all be happy and celebrate this joyous occassion by showing VShojo the respect they deserve for managing to become a top Vtuber agency?

>>4171647
From the OP
> No wonder Hololive is desperate to collab with them.
This is a Hololive hatejerk, and is bait.

>>4171279
I don't know who any of these sluts are

>>4171712
You are so fucking lucky. Don't go looking into them.

>>4171712
You should check them out. They are definitely more approachable and real than the fake personas many Japanese Vtubers present to you.

>>4172065
i.e. they're unabashed whores

>>4172065
>approachable
That’s codeword for whore

married to eceleb
tumblr traitor
male twitter checkmark
porn actor
dying wheelchair
cheater
generic twitch thot
suckerbus hoe

wow look at all these long term quality content creators

>>4172065
Is it you Vei?

Only Melody and Ironmouse are good.
The others are either sociopaths or worse, a tranny.

>>4172065
>pee pee poo poo muh vagina female comedian fallback
no
go shill this trash on reddit as they'll eat this milquetoast trash right up for you fag

>>4171390
Shouldn't Niji be the 3rd?

>>4171390
>>4172513
>VShojo
>Bigger than Nijisanji
fucking rumao

>>4171390
How deep into your ass are you pulling this from?

>>4171488
Sure, I'll acknowledge that they are one of the top vtubing agency worldwide currently, but they were only just a group of nobodies before, only carried in popularity by Nyanners and Melody. They don't have history of building up together as an agency. I only see them as a group of streamers who get together to form their own clique. They don't seem to want the best for each other or themselves. Are they really serious on becoming Vtubers? Even sponsors would not be incline to associate with them due to how obscene their content are. I don't even get why Kizuna Ai even wanted to collab with them, their audiences are worlds apart.

>>4172631
It's her last attempt at getting back in the limelight, to get her EOP's back who till this day still see her as a fake or a Corpo husk

>third place in a two company race

>>4172065
streaming and vtubing is about putting on a fake persona and avatar to milk you dry.

>>4172297
umm sweetie you're supposed to seperate the chuuba from the roommate, remember?

>>4172441
How come /vt/ is so racist and nothing is done about it? This isn't one off comments, there is literal comments of racism right now. It needs to stop now. It's a fucking blue board. Clean up the racist users AND racist mods.

>>4173244
BASED

>>4171279
who even wants the vwhore audience

Anyone else feel like there's way too much /pol/ posting recently, especially in Vshojo/Artemis threads? It's either race baiting or red pilled incels posting their misogynist rants. And hey that's not the worst part, the worst part is these posts easily getting the most replies.

Why don't you morons just hide and report? Do you want to see this board suffer the same fate as /v/?

>>4173411
BASED

>>4173411
yas queen slaaaaaaayy!!

>>4171712
Froot is the only that's worthwhile and even then she's just a discount, sluttier Ina for the most part. She's still very very very cute though.

>>4173942
Fuck you ntr piece of shit

Can't someone post Nigocchi to save this thread?

>>4173244
How come /vt/ is so reddit and nothing is done about it? This isn't one off comments, there is literal comments of reddit right now. It needs to stop now. It's a fucking blue board. Clean up the reddit users AND reddit mods.

>>4173411
go back to your reddit safe space fag

>>4173411
found the red dit libtard. why dont you fuck off if freespeech triggers you.

>>4173435
libtards are never based. taking a dick up the ass is the opposite of based

>>4172631
Ai is pretty desperate for western attention.

>>4174186
>>4174238
Take your meds

>>4173942
She's literally the worse of them all

>>4171279
Except Holo just told veibae to go fuck herself lol

>>4172065
Nyanners is one of the fakest people in the industry.

>>4174427
But Vei said that she told Holo and their schiz fanbase to fuck off

>>4174603
She's a lying whore on damage control. Holo found her clip where she calls them a horrible company and kicked her in her worn out snatch.

>>4174679
Sounds like cope to me.

>>4174256
triggers anons = based

>>4174735
Sounds like denial to me.

>>4174427
>>4174679
What are you talking about, Vei only has cold feet because of idolfag schizos

>>4174779
Surrrrre

>>4174851
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1030401573?t=0h10m7s

Holochads already gatekeeped the fuck out of these whores so i don't see why you felt the need to make this thread.
Do you really want us to keep going? pink cat looked to be on the verge of graduation, might be time to call it quits vshojo discord trannies.

>>4171523
I get a feeling it started around NijiEN's debut and the Vei/Kiara announcement. Bored trolls just found new toys to play with.

>>4173231
not everyone is mentally ill like you

>>4174918
Not even gonna watch that, unfortunately for her lying ass Nyanners clearly explained what actually happened on discord

>>4175066
ogey

>>4174919
>pink cat looked to be on the verge of graduation
???

>>4175066
What did Nyanners say?

>>4175257
Now post the discord screencap where she's crying about how everyone hates vshojo because of her.

>>4175292
Sorry I'm not a deranged anti so I don't track every discord post she makes

>>4174751
Being a contrarian doesn't actually make you cool like your discord friends told you, anon...

>>4175318
Yeah it does, it has always been the spirit of 4chan
i.e. mocking christfags pre obama, then militantly siding with them during, now against them post trump arc
If you're moving with the pendulum you are cringe

>>4175377
I bet 90% of the people on /vt/ shitting on vei and kiara don't even watch them and are just doing it just because it's a good chance to fuck with people.The others are schitzos

>>4171279
hololive and vshojo would be an insane match. idk why anyone even thinks that they would be planning it. its like trying to match fire with water

>>4175505
Yeah I want it to happen just so /vt/ autists throw a tantrum but I can't see it working that well from a content perspective

>>4175292
she'd simply leave vshojo then, why would that warrant a graduation

>>4174300
How?

>>4175614
rrat is she cheated on a soldier
don't know the proofs myself though

>>4175557
that way it would definitely be fun but the weekend even is probably the closest we will get. my ears have still not recovered from the hololive performers speedtalk

>>4175650
based. fuck the american invaders that think they are doing something good while actually just causing problems everywhere

>>4175650
sounds based ngl

>>4171279
I checked out their streams, and they're not bad, although I only had the time to properly watch Vei and Melody. Vei is pretty damn vulgar, but she's honest about it and even warns the viewers in her bio, so whatever, it's refreshing. They don't seem like bad people, just normal girls having fun and trying to entertain whoever's willing to watch.
The obvious difference is that they're not really "playing characters" like Holos do, and Twitch fosters a much more hectic viewing experience. If anything, I have more issues with Twitch, because the chat is damn near unusable and I'm allergic to Pepe at this point.
The hateboner people have for them seems kind of unearned.

>>4172065
That'd be hololive. Most of the girls aren't running a fake persona. All streamers are faking a little bit to exagerate some elements of their character. But vshoujo is by far largely fake bullshit.

>>4175790
>"playing characters"
what does this mean? Even normal face streamers streamers put up an act and can be very different away from a camera.

>>4175868
hmm so vshojo is both fake personas but also isn't allowed to have seperate chuubas and roommates
interesting

>>4175790
I'm pretty sure the majority of that hateboner is ultimately because Nyanners is part of the group.

>>4175790
i have had a different experience. even streamers with many thousands viewers have a chat that is kind of usable but if you go check a youtube chat it scrolls so quickly that you can't ever figure out whats going on there

>>4175868
you have to be really delusional to think that the pure idol culture thing is reality

>>4175934
The fuck does this even mean.

>>4175998
How does this have any relevance either? Most of the girls aren't playing a character. For the most part, they are just themselves with some elements played up which is normal streamer behaviour. Its apart of why they popular. Restrictions on what they say doesn't have any relevance and the idolshit is barely nonexistant for most of them as well.

Every streamer plays a fake persona. If you asked me, the vast majority of streamers play theirs up too much and are way too fake and forced. Hololive feels a lot more natural in this regards which is probably why I watch them considering I don't actually like watching tubers or streamers.

>>4175933
Mori, for example, always plays the grim reaper, but Vei doesn't go out of her way to act like a succubus.

>>4175790
>they're not really playing characters
I mean, they do have a guy pretending to be a girl.

>>4176393
>Vei doesn't go out of her way to act like a succubus.
She regularly consumes cum.

>>4176441
Well, she doesn't completely forget about it either.

>>4176393
So VShojos do the same thing HoloEN and NijiEn do, just a little bit more vulgar, edgier and they feel they are the mature ones because they only "Cosplay" as their models instead of the 2 % roleplay Holos do in each stream? What a lame thing to build your superiority complex up on.

>>4176290
try going outside sometimes. vshojo is far more realistic than anything the japanese companies put out

>>4176709
They don't say anything like that though. You're the one pinning this superiority complex on them.

>>4175377
Why am I not surprised the first thing you bring up is politics. Go back.

>>4177337
Considering that Veibae makes it a point to contrast herself with the "roleplayers" at Hololive, that definitely reeks of superiority complex.

>>4177475
She doesn't. Her comments on Hololive were out of sheer spite at Aloe's graduation.

>>4177659
Her "misinformed and slanderous" comments. Remember friend, it was enough to get fans who weren't in /vt/ thinking that she was kinda dumb.

>>4177659
DO YU RELE BELEB?

>>4177751
Yeah, I though it's just /vt/ that sperging about it. Turn out people on Youtube comments, twitter and reddit were quite mad about it too.
Wow, she really fucks it up.

>>4177751
every time i see someone say this kind of stuff it turns out to be misinterpretation by an autistic person. they may indeed have said something about hololive but not the way you think they did

>>4174918
>Doesn't wanna sound like a kissass
>People would think she's a leech
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7cRwGNs2iY
It's easier than 1,2,3 to take back your statements from months ago because you got everything wrong on that. Cover did a great job in handling their talents and the taiwan incident. The whole taiwan thing was stupid in the first place. Graduating their CN members is a step in the right direction. Aloe's situation was unfortunate, but she herself said that she left on good terms with them. None of the holo members fully commit into their characters. It's just added lore, and the whole idol culture thing is a meme for the most part. We literally have coco that is the opposite of idol culture and she doesn't even give a fuck bout that. Finally, yes, Cover does own the characters, channel and everything. But, it isn't all that bad anyway when you wanted to graduate. By the end of it, you'd be walking with more cash than an indie streamer and you'd left a mark in vtuber history. Going to Hololive means you're gonna get those instant exposure for free.

>>4177842
>misinterpretation by an autistic person.
Here's a direct Quote to what she said. No interpretation. Just a direct interpretation.
>They literally support a terrible company. After the actual idols that have left Hololive talked about it, and the way that they're treated... Keep defending it dude.
There's more just so you know, good friend.

>>4177948
BASED

>>4177845
If you look at a recent HoloJP graduation, her new persona got over 100k subscribers. That was only possible because she's ex-Holo.

If you join Hololive - and most people only have the chance to join Hololive after they have established themselves in another fashion - you will get a massive buff of like 100k+ subscribers instantly without doing anything, you get the business support from cover, a manager and all that. You get them handling the copyright blahblah, music libraries, access to artists that would otherwise not even consider your requests.

You lose control of the character and the model, but then again, that was never yours to begin with. You did not bring the character, the character was created together with cover.

I get disliking corporations, but literally all the Holo mems (even someone like Suisei who was scouted) would not be where they are without Hololive. Hololive did not hold them back, Hololive sky rocketed their careers.

>>4177948
What did she even mean by actual idols that left Hololive? I understood Aloe's situation and she's living rather good right now.

Did she mean the bugs aside from yogiri?

>>4177948
that does not look like something that i would seethe about. but i just watch this as entertainment instead of thinking that the performer is my virtual wife so im obviously not going to react the same way as you do

>carried by 3 members

>>4178036
No, that quote was before the Zhangs decided to blow it all up, time frame is shortly after Aloe graduation

>>4178050
>that does not look like something that i would seethe about.
Yeah, to you. Not to the most people who support and criticize Cover in their most fucked up moment in 2020.
Let's just keep pretending it's only /vt/ spergs who mad about her.

>>4177757
Yes, because everyone else on /jp/ was saying the exact same stuff.
>>4177751
/vt/ didn't exist back then, unless you're talking about that thread on /trash/.

>>4178050
Ultimately Veibae said dumb shit. It was a confusing time with a lot of misinformation floating around and all that and that's understandable but still, she repeated a lot of bs. So now she has two choices. She can be mature, apologise for repeating some things she did not fully know about and everyone is going to accept it. It's water under the bridge. Or she turns this thing into a question of honour where she never must give quarter and instead doubles down. So now VShojo is Collab banned again. Well done Veibae.

>>4178177
Being an egotistical b*tch can do severe things to you and she hasn't learnt from that

>>4178177
>Cover ever forgiving her
lolno

>>4178134
Nigga, I was talking about the past few days.

>>4178126
i may be minority here but i will watch any of the corporate vtubers if they do something i like and i will do it for free. if i ever were to support someone in any other way it would be some of the independent vtubers that do comfy streams every time

>>4178177
women say dumb things all the time so sounds totally normal to me. got desensitivized to it just like to gore and other memes here

>>4178177
Apologizing on the internet is always the wrong move. What she needs to do now is triple down and call all hololive talents wind-up monkeys for disgusting pedophilic Japanese salarymen and their fanbase pathetic incels who desperately need to touch grass and medicate.

>>4178177
Since when does being a idol-hating weeb become popular anyway?
These stupid naRRATive about idol industry need to be stopped if you never delve into JP/KR idol fandom.
"Muh pure idol", "Must act seiso", etc

>>4178411
i think that the internet would not be able to handle the seething that this would cause

So what’s the deal with Anny? She seems close to a couple of the VShojo girls but no one talks about her. Decent artist though.

>>4178256
To me it seemed that Cover was willing to "forgive" because it was so long ago. Otherwise they never would have greenlit the collab in the first place. But then people started making noise which firmly planted the ball in Veibae's court. She was probably hoping she could get the collab and "keep her integrity" (integrity = ability to let the rrats out without ever facing consequences for it) but now it was either apologise and collab or don't apologise, take a victory lap for that and close the Cover Corp door for the next year or so for literally all of VShojo.

>>4178446
She's cute and I like her streams a lot

>>4178436
what does idol even mean? i have seen the word be used like this for years but that is still something i don't understand. to me they seem like some kind of actor/performer that does a bit of everything but im more used to the idol term being used when for example im talking about some artist i really like, but here it seems to be the official term that everyone calls them even if they don't like them

>>4178550
You can look up being an Idol in Japan on Youtube and how harsh the girls are living just to kept their image of being Seiso. But for Hololive, It's mostly a meme and they can do whatever they want. But when they're going up that stage, you bet everyone is gonna think they're an idol group for only a short moment.

>>4178411
That's the right way to get the graves of your deceased loved ones vandalized.

>>4172065
If there's anything that idol culture has taught me it's that women are actually way more likeable when they're subject to a ruling entity that limits what they can say and do. Why would i get rid of that, whats the appeal?

>>4178177
>. She can be mature, apologise for repeating some things she did not fully know about and everyone is going to accept it.
Lol no. People will call her a hypocritical leech, changing her tune only to collab with Kiara.
People who understand her fuck up don't need any gratuitous apologies, her comments about "saying dumb shit in the past" are quite enough. But people who don't want to forgive her won't forgive her no matter how many dogezas she does.

>>4178698
Apologizing would only embolden them even more. Every time I'e seen some internet personality apologize over shit like this it only made things worse.

>>4178698
I can already see it, the only vtuber agency to have caused enough incel seethe to get TWO of their members' family graves desecrated

Now that's a badge of honor

>>4178177
the vshojo collab isn't banned by cover, it's the vshojos who cancelled / postponed it
and veibae will never apologize simply because she won't let retarded antis bully her into an apology for some dumb shit she said 10 months ago when she was still an indie with barely 1k viewers

>>4178754
whoever did that is a very pathetic person. who the fuck gets so assblasted about something that someone on the internet said...

>>4178818
>it's the vshojos who cancelled
Keep telling that yourself

>>4178671
Because they are a group of Idols. That aren't memeing when they say they're idols. You realize that there are many kinds of different idols. If we were just going by a ideal definition of a Japanese idol. You know they fit in that box perfectly?

>>4178754
Yeah, i mean, a bunch of worthless whores accidentally stumbling into actual entertainment, definitely an achievement.

>>4172297
>dying wheelchair
sorry i laughed

>>4172692
Should have tried collabing with EN, too bad she's too beholden to bugs to do so.

>>4178913
if they were so worthless then the incels would not have got as angry as they did

>>4178854
they literally did but ogey

>>4178854
Vei said she was thinking of declining it because of all the drama that would come to both her and Kiara, and then it was cancelled soon after. There's been no official explanation so that's all we have to go on unless you've got some proof to the contrary?

>>4178754
What the fuck? Who was the first?

>>4179009
Nyanners, back in around 2011 when people got very angry about the /v/GAs and "attention whoring" for some reason. A few dedicated people found her sister's grave on findagrave.com, took a road trip, pissed on it and sent pictures to her and her dad.

>>4178967
Fuck around and find out.

>>4172631
This is what Vshojo fans didn't know why Cover limiting their talents. And I really want to see their manager handle some big fuckup/scandal in the future considering they can't even handle this Veibae shit properly. They let Veibae handle it alone and fucks it up.
Let alone big fuckups like video game company DMCA-ing their videos, Chinese anti spamming talents chat, talent Doxxing like Aloe, and fanbase war that Cover and Nijisanji have ever experienced before.

>Top vshojos don't even reach 10k concurrent viewers regularly

Lee Mao

>>4179082
Wtf man /v/ antis were worse than jap idolfags back then

>>4178034
You can't really separate the 2. The talents built the brand while the brand helped cement the talent's positions. This holds especially true for the earlier generations, who obviously started from the bottom. Joining Hololive skyrocketed their careers in the end, but it was their work, and quite a bit of luck, that allowed that to happen. Without a doubt they wouldn't be as big as they are if they were a collection of indies, because they wouldn't have the network or the advertising/marketing.

>>4179082
and things like this are why any sane person will stay anonymous here

>>4179082
>Do your absolute best to drive her out of 4chan
>Act shocked when she actually does leave with a low opinion of this place and call it betrayal

>>4178411
That would get vshojo blacklisted everywhere.

so based i guess.

>>4179082
a new level of based has been reached

>>4179006
Vei explained that she was the one who declined, due to the reactions from people online.

>>4179558
>he believes the face saving excuse the amerimutt corp has been gifted by their Japanese chad overlords

>>4179736
The fuck are you even talking about?

>>4177253
If you want realistic, go watch podcasts

>>4176393
If you're so anal about a VIRTUAL streamer LARPing as whatever the fuck their avatar were supposed to be, why even bother watching them at all? Why don't you just watch regular 3dpd whores? I doubt there's any difference at all outside of them not hiding their ugly mutt face behind an avatar.

>>4180303
>If you're so anal about a VIRTUAL streamer LARPing as whatever the fuck their avatar were supposed to be
I don't really give a shit.
>Why don't you just watch regular 3dpd whores
2D girls > 3D girls.

op how much are they paying you to shill their shit company?

OP how much they are paying you to shill their shit company

>>4171279
3rd? more like 2nd, manjisanji is losing ground to them.

The only reason hololife is considered to be bigger than vshojo is because more people watch them

>>4180573
good point, if it was the other way around people would say vshojo is bigger

>>4179159
Vshojo doesn't control what their talents say or do on their streams, nor can they force them to collab (or not collab) with someone, it's the whole point of the company. The most they've done is suggest their talents stop retweeting r34 fanart on their main twitter feed in order to avoid turning away potential sponsors.
As far as they're concerned the kiara-vei situation isn't a legal matter or anything but vei's personal decision so the company itself has no reason to get involved if vei would rather handle it herself.
As for your list of big fuck ups, they don't have to worry about permissions and shit like hololive since they're not a cuckolded JP corp, antis have recently tried spamming nyanners dox on every platform where she's present including twitch, and for the fanbase war, well look at the absolute state of this thread or any thread remotely vshojo-adjacent. Some die-hard hololive fans have been up in arms against vshojo lately.
Despite all this most vshojo talents are still on the incline with new collabs and events left and right.
I understand how people used to the big japanese agencies may be skeptical about the way Vshojo operates, but it's been working out fine for them.

>>4171279
Why all seems like cheap whores? This is a shadman parody?

Watching two sides scream at other while enjoying the spectacle. Truly glorious, I am proud to be Niji EN fan instead of being wound the fuck up.

Why does all of /vt/ fall for such obvious bait.

>>4180756
It's puppeteer, I like his art

>>4180807
Because Holobros and Vshojo fans don't know how to hold themselves back.

>>4179260
If it makes vshojo or its fans angry its based.

>>4180411
Jesus fuck you're as dumb a your the whores you're whiteknighting. I expect no less from you cum-gargling mutts. Explains why their humor resonate so well with you.

>>4180689
>Despite all this most vshojo talents are still on the incline with new collabs and events left and right.
The only one inclining is the TTS mememachine
All the others stagnate or start declining

>1 barely streams
>1 is terminal
>3 have talked about not being cut out for streaming and wanting to quit
>1 is on the verge of a breakdown
how is VShojo going to survive the year, or are they planning to add new people faster than people leave?

>>4181095
being whores can only takes you so far

>>4180938
Jesus fuck anon, chill.

>>4181095
That doesn't look like a decline at all, the trends all point upwards. Only Froot's numbers look flat, but it seems like she doesn't stream much.

>>4181156
The rebuttal Vshojo fans? Doesn't like this circle of friends is due to last long at all.

>>4181095
So they are "growing" in subs but their viewers are tanking. I guess they reached their peak.

Explains why Vshojo fanboys always post Subscriber numbers.

>>4181156
>3 have talked about not being cut out for streaming and wanting to quit
>1 is on the verge of a breakdown
Which ones are these? Also Ironmouse has an immune disorder, so long as nobody coughs on her she'll live for quite some time yet.

>>4181334
I drew in some lines for (you)

>>4171390
Niji is still bigger than Holo on Japan and China alone.

>>4172065
Based. Vshojo did nothing wrong.

>>4181156
They could try a second wave I guess, if you seek you could find talent even on the cesspool that is twitch

>>4181542
>china
Well of course

>>4181484
IIRC Nyanners made a discord post where she muses if it would be better for her to leave vshojo since she believes she's the source of all the bad repute. (on here, at least)

>>4171279
>Filled the backstabbing cunts
So how long until they crash and burn?

>>4181489
Anon, that's not how these graphs work. You're not supposed to draw an arbitrary dip on the end, that's not how averages work. Here's what it would actually look like if I were to eyeball it.

>>4180786
I enjoy coming whenever a big announcement is made so I can see tards rage. I like vtubers but I just don't understand how people get so angry about these things.

>>4181653
She did say certain people probably would have a better opinion of Vshojo if she wasn't part of it, but she didn't actually say anything about leaving.

>>4181653
Is /vt/ large enough for anyone in the industry to give a shit?

>>4171279
*ting ting* Ahem

Fuck Nyanners
Fuck Veibae
Fuck Froot
Fuck Ironmouse
Fuck Silvervale
Fuck Hime
Fuck Melody

>>4172065
Right, everyone knows how genuine whores tend to be

>>4181579
If anyone's next to join Vshojo it's obviously Snuffy.

>>4181795
Gladly.

>>4181850
she obviously turned them down, which is why she doesn't colab with them anymore. the next one will be anny, why else would she suddenly be best friends with them?

>>4181786
/vt/ can start stinking and if there's something real behind the stink, people will join. It doesn't take much to drown someone, who is guilty, in twitter feces

>>4181886
>which is why she doesn't colab with them anymore
She collabed with Nyanners quite recently.

>>4177253
If you want realism get real friends faggot, thanks for telling us you're into parasocial friendships.

>>4181726
Why are you drawing averages? They have no value in this case. That's not how the system works. This is no stock exchange, this is social media niggery

>>4181933
The green bars are literally called "average viewers".

>>4181892
it'd be their own feces in this case

>>4181886
she collabed with nyanners last week and she's going to start an 85 session D&D campaign with froot, vei, nyanners and haruka in june but ogey

How can you guys even stand to watch these whores? It's repulsive.

>>4181959
>Still missing the point of this being about exposure and preception and not purely numbers
Also if you want to pull this shit we can throw the entire thing out of the window since Vshojo artificially boost their numbers by raiding which invalidates all the data on the site

>>4181983
the nyanners colab was a sponsored colab, so probably organized before she turned them down, and the dnd was organized months ago, i wouldn't be surprised if "something" comes up and she drops out before they start, arc said in his last stream that he has to sit down and talk with snuffy soon since she is the only one of that group that hasn't giving him any material that he needs for the games yet.

>>4182018
Because lonely people are weebs, weebs have money, weebs are fucking horny, tell them their fantasies about women speaking openly how much the love dick and cum is right and they will paint every woman with the same brush, and if you're not like the peepeepoopoo women they watch then you are a fake to them.

>>4182073
I fucking knew this was gonna happen. I fucking knew it. Dumb foid drama jeopardizing DnD.

>>4182030
I mean, it was your idea, but alright. The point is, Vshojo's not declining anytime soon, just like HoloEN. The audience has not peaked yet.

>>4182183
I just hope she drops out before the 11th so they can get someone else and she doesn't leave after doing a couple of sessions

>>4182073
It would be a real dick move to drop out of such an important campaign right before it starts.

>>4182267
>>4182258
It will be fine. Its not like she has a history of screwing over friends in the past... wait.

>>4182258
Even if it was right now it'd be pretty short notice for someone new to suddenly come up with a character to commit to 85 sessions with.

Snuffy has sounded pretty excited for D&D whenever she brings it up, she ain't dropping out.

>>4182328
mousey would be all over it
but snuffy isn't gonna drop out anyway

>ctrl+f
>13 whore
Come on /jp/ you can do better than that

>>4182645
Nyigger.

Hololive making it so every EN streamer has to behave like a 12 year old and never mention sex at all ever will be the end of vtubing as an industry when it inevitably reaches japan and the japanese reject it.
Ironic considering people thought it would be western whores (as opposed to asian whores). We failed to consider western pretend-virgins.

>>4182030
but thats not right. i have heard more than once that the raids won't count in the stats

>>4182886
What the fuck are you even talking about

>>4182886
>hololive is the reason
>never mind youtube prohibited the bikini models
>shadowbans anyone with a bit of edge
>censor anything without warning
Sure thing retard, is totally Hololive, not youtube and mommy Susan with her retarded antics.

>>4171390
netflix?????

>>4183210
nexflix started making vtubers meant to "spread American and Californian principles to the east"

>>4183200
Hololive is an ostensibly an idol agency and one of the first to focus on clean streaming. I know you dont know this because you already struggle with english so I know you dont know japanese, but jp vtubers are filthy as fuck.
What you think is whoreish and dirty in vshojo would probably be considered racy but ok on the jp side of things. It is the contrast between hololive, the industry standard, and every other EN streamer.
Vshojo would work in japan, easily.

>>4183271
>east
the specifically said japan and china

>>4178818
She doubled down on her ''very informed'' opinion on cover recently, sure.... the antis fault.

>>4183331
Youre a lying faggot, go fuck yourself you cunt.

>>4178411
Based

>>4178459
And it's kind of amazing. Most people outside of here were all for the collab even with this information spread on Reddit, but Veibae then doubled down on her stance and sent VShoujo simps to fight with the ones that disagreed. Ironically, it's that second action that gave most people a bad impression of her

>>4182886
>>4183331
Fuck you retard Japanese audience would never approve of vshojo vulgarity

>>4183590
>sent VShoujo simps to fight with the ones that disagreed.
???

>>4183609
He's completely right except for maybe Melody since she's at literally porn levels. The only people who can seriously think otherwise are EOPs who have never watched any Niji content. Hololive is the exception to the general rule of lewd, and even then you have people like Haachama pushing the envelope.

>>4183627
By saying she was getting harassed by gatekeepers, she ensured that some of her fans would go on Reddit, YouTube and 4Chan to argue with anyone that criticized Veibae. I don't know if she did it intentionally but it's what's happening

>>4178411
>who desperately need to touch grass
You know, I can tell there are alot of people from Discord or Reddit that have probably never even seen or used this site before because they all keep using this phrase to pass the censors when you can just tell people to kill themselves, which is what you should do yourself faggot anon-chama.

Get the fuck out you useless cunt. Your vshojo whores will never be as popular as the girls in hololive and Veibae will be a a whore, and Nyanners will always be known to be a lying bitch who can't escape her past. You make bad decisions, you suffer the consequences! And just like the other whore Silvervale said, you're gonna take and your gonna like it!

>>4171390
Isn't 774 the third biggest firm after Holo and Niji?

How are froot and melody so much more likeable then the rest of them?

>>4178459
>so long ago
It was only a few months ago.

>>4183777
Still longer than most anons on this board have been posting

>>4183752
>Froot
Yeah, if you like girls who are into RL NTR sure, I'm sure Froot is alot more "likeable" in that sense.

>>4182152
how do those people get the money? it should not be possible

>>4171279
The moment i cant avoid vshojo and twitch political bullshit in general is the moment i leave chuubas for greener pastures, whatever that may be.

>>4183909
Many hikis have some kind of basic job, then go home and spend absolutely no money. If your only hobby is anime (that you mostly pirate) and you only eat shit like ramen noodles you'd be surprised how much disposable income you have left over, even moreso if you still live with your parents paying no rent.

>>4183807
She can be into ntr if she wants, its not like I'll end up the cuck.

>>4183909
Alot of these people are spoiled kids who get their money from their parents or from their mother's credit card. There parents don't watch them and leave them unsupervised. If you ever notice going outside or going out in public, you'll notice a bunch of kids using their tablets to watch some person on YouTube or Twitch as their source of entertainment, because their parents are too lazy ss fuck to babysit them otherwise.

>>4184040
You're the one paying her or giving her attention while she gets dicked from other dudes, I'd say that cuckish behavior anon.

>>4171431
Plenty of vtubing companies are doing decently, as long as you take decently to mean "making money" and not on the verge of going bankrupt. It's just that, kinda like musicians, nobody really cares about the ones that re doing okay and everyone's attentions are focused on the few rock stars.

>>4184149
Anon do you think I'm like dating her or something? Your reaching hella far.

>>4184149
How many chuubas do you genuinely believe will never have sex for the duration of their vtuber careers?

>>4184149
Why are you acting like that doesn't apply to the hololive girls too. Even moreso because of how many of them are fucking management for brownie points

>>4183752
froot is easily the most depraved girl in vshojo, but people think she's "wholesome" because she's very quiet

>>4184185
Hey dude, if you like supporting whores and getting cheated on that's cool man. There's alot of people here with degenerative fetishes
>Hella
Get the fuck out.

>>4184191
>>4184226
Look at all these people seething.
Don't you have a discord or a general to go cry about your canceled collab or something? I know there's an /aco/ thread where you can go jerk your tiny dicks too and fulfill your cucked fantasies too at the same time!

>>4184149
So is Holo, Niji, Wactor and many others, your point faggot? She doesn't tell everybody every 10 seconds how much dick she had in her ass while streaming, that's the difference nigger.

>>4184369
I have never paid a single cent to a vtuber. If you have then by your own definition you are the cuck here, because I guarantee you all of them will fuck some random guy who isn't you before they graduate. The only possible exception is Ironmouse due to mega-AIDS.

>>4184375
Yeah, that's because she's a zebra who can't change her stripes. She may not be as sexual talkative as Veibae or Hime, but she's a whore all the same. If you fucking zoomers would lurk and do your archive reps, you would know.

>>4180851
>Because Holobros and Vshojo fans don't know how to hold themselves back.
>thinking there are any VShojo fans actually in here

Good fucking God.

Reminder that Vshoujo is insignificant in the Twitch sphere and no one gives a shit about them.
Meanwhile Holo and Niji completely changed youtube in japan and are on top of their platform and pushed as tourism ambassador in japan.

>>4183743
Yes, they are. Idk what metrics OP is using to declare that Vshojo is the third biggest.

>>4171390
> Manjisanji
> A lot of females are above many other males, just look. Belmond and many others below other females.

>>4184512
you should probably draw a red circle around them since no ones going to find them when they're that small

>>4178177
Evidently cum is easier to swallow than pride

>>4184467
What do you call these people then that have seemingly come in mass to defend Veibae or their favorite vShojo then? Flase-flaggers? Honest question

>>4184542
okay my bad

>>4184576
(you) farmers. And it works every-damn-time.

>>4184459
This guy is definetely that soldier.

>>4184618
I agree, but let's be real, there are alot if people who are off board, and hell, off site even coming in here to defend Veibae because they're pathetic simps who need to defend their favorite whore like it's they're first girlfriend.

>>4184512
>youtube in japan
Yeah, and much like Vshojo on Twitch they are also fucking tiny compared to actual big youtubers like Pewdiepie and MrBeast.
Vtubers may be big in Japan, but if you're going to compare them in this kind of global, platform-wide metric of course they're going to look niche.

>>4183777
It was almost ten months ago and clearly misinformed. All she needed to do is say "I spoke from a place of ignorance and I apologize" and that'd be the end of it. Anyone who still holds a grudge about it can be safely painted as petty antis and both fanbases would rally together around her, but no she decided to double down and cause a fanbase war between vshojo and hololive so if anyone is to blame it's on her.

>>4184696
>they're pathetic simps who need to defend their favorite whore like it's they're first girlfriend
oh no no NO holobronies

>>4184763
Or maybe be more professional: ''At that time i really didn't have much information and believed people on forums and such, that was my mistake and I'm sorry that i spread misinformation to you guys, I don't have a whole idea of what cover is behind the scenes so I can't really tell what they do.'' You apologised, stayed neutral, didn't kiss cover's ass, was it that difficult????

>>4184900
Evidently yes.

my streamer will never apologize to seething holobronies no matter how much they whine and that's why i love her

>>4184512
>Vshoujo is insignificant in the Twitch sphere
Yeah anon, nothing like Hololive on youtube. It's not like the most subscribed holo ever has less than 10% of the subs of anyone in the top 50 or anything.

>>4184599
all this shows is that they don't have a big audience overlap with normalfag streamers, which I thought would be encouraged by the /vt/ crowd but leave it to antis to find anything at all to bitch about

>>4184939
>my streamer will never apologize
she changed her design days before her debut because 1 person on twitter complained that she stole her design from another vtuber, shell fold and grovel before hololive before long.

>>4178736
In this case it's absolutely the right move to do, because the alternative is cancelling the collab which also emboldens them. At least by apologizing it'd take the wind out of anyone complaining and makes anyone who still continues to complain seem really petty and easily dismissable.

>>4184763
She asked people to not cancel her over the dumb shit she said half a year ago. That sounds like an admission of some guilt to me.
Apologizing would only make her look weak, like when Coco tried apologizing to the Chinese. Her anti base is big enough that they won't care either way and only use that apology to call her a leech. If she apologized, this board would've been filled with threads calling her a two-faced leech who changes her tune whenever collab opportunities appear.
Besides, Cover doesn't give a shit. If they did, Kiara would not have been able to even mention her.

>>4171279
Niji is bigger

>>4182645
rent free

>>4185005
>If she apologized, this board would've been filled with threads calling her a two-faced leech who changes her tune whenever collab opportunities appear.
And nobody important would give a shit. the whole reason why this blew up is because people on reddit and twitter caught wind of that video and threw a fit. /vt/ can seethe and rage all they want in here and nobody would give a shit, but when people in the relative mainstream on twitter and reddit start seething you've got an actual problem on your hands.
>Besides, Cover doesn't give a shit. If they did, Kiara would not have been able to even mention her.
So you're telling me Veibae gave up on the collab not because corporate objected, but because she's so much of a pussy that people tweeting mean comments on twitter made her back out? Boy that doesn't embolden anyone with a grudge at all.

>>4185005
You cannot compare the word Taiwan vs ''They support a terrible company, they have to do unspeakable things to join, fake roleplayers''

>>4185084
The ironing is delicious

>>4171279
Good for them I guess?
I only like Melody, Mousy and the Totally-Not-Succubus.

>>4185108
>And nobody important would give a shit
Nobody important gives a shit either way. Antis, on the other hand, hate Vshojo as a whole and will object to any collabs with them regardless. If Kiara announced a collab with Melody, you bet your fucking ass people would've started leaking Melody's adult videos on Twitter as if that was a huge secret or something, in a desperate attempt to cancel the collab. If it was Ironmouse, they also would've dug something up. This kind of shit is inevitable.
>So you're telling me Veibae gave up on the collab not because corporate objected, but because she's so much of a pussy that people tweeting mean comments on twitter made her back out
She said so herself, she canceled it herself because the spam was getting too strong and she didn't want Kiara to deal with it.

>>4185229
>If Kiara announced a collab with Melody, you bet your fucking ass people would've started leaking Melody's adult videos on Twitter as if that was a huge secret or something, in a desperate attempt to cancel the collab. If it was Ironmouse, they also would've dug something up. This kind of shit is inevitable.
And nobody would give a shit outside of those few antis. I don't think you realize the gravity of the situation here, Veibae said stuff that would be easily regarded as slander. People leaking Melody's adult clips or ironmouse dirty laundry wouldn't cause anyone outside of the obessed to take up arms, but Veibae's statements caused even casual fans to take a shit on her. Not all anti efforts are equal, and part of being an internet celebrity is knowing which ones can be safely ignored and which ones need to be addressed, and this one happens to be one of those that would just get worse the longer the silence.

>>4185348
>outside of those few antis
You underestimate how schizophrenic people on Twitter are. There are literal drones who do nothing but shitpost about idols. Remember Egg-kun and his entire Discord server of Kiara antis? Those are the people even Vei couldn't ignore, and unfortunately, you can't do jack shit about them, other than banning.
The best course of action for Vei would be to do the damn collab, I think. Antis will seethe, but fuck them.

>>4172597
Anon, you can't ask that from goatse...

>>4184696
You realize you can't prove that any more than I can disprove that, right?

>>4171279
I'm just glad to see women entertainers finally having an outlet that lets them capture such a big market share of the streaming industry. Even if many of the Vshoujo girls aren't personally my cup of tea, I'm happy for them, and am totally fine with them forming professional relationships with the talents that I personally support.

It's especially nice to see /v/'s prodigal daughter Nyanners reaping the rewards for years of hard work on her channel and her creative pursuits. I'm glad she always stayed true to herself and resisted pressure from 4chan goons to say or do things that she personally thought were unethical. It speaks volumes about her as a person.

>>4184010
thats just so hard to believe. a person that would spend money on nothing but vtubers. how did the world even get to this...

>>4184975
Provide proofs of that.

>>4185812
watch the vod

>>4179558
>Well yeah she talked out of her ass and said some indefensible shit, but I trust and believe her even though she refuses to admit any fault.

>>4185830
Which one?

Even if it is true, we're talking about a possible legal matter where someone could sue her over copywright infringement or some rubbish vs. her not liking how Cover operates. The second one has just caused a shit storm so long as she tries to collab with Kiara but otherwise is not going to cause her any harm.

>>4185587
And those people can be safely ignored. You cannot ignore when regular fans get outraged, and that's precisely what that video does. You don't need to be a schizo to get angry when someone calls the company you support a black company based of provably false information, but you do have to be one to get angry over Mel doing porn.

>>4185870
>said some indefensible shit
Don't whiteknight Cover that hard. Letting your talent get sexually harassed by their manager and completely fucking over their carrier is indefensible, what Veibae said was just hotheaded.
> I trust and believe her even though she refuses to admit any fault.
She has no reason to lie. She could've said that Cover stopped the collab to shit on them if she wanted to, but she didn't.

>>4185941
>what Veibae said was just hotheaded.
Hotheaded my fucking ass, most of what she said is provably, demonstrably untrue. It's one thing if she actually critised cover, it's another thing if she outright slanders them which is what she did, including the "this all comes to me from former cover employees" shit.

>>4185934
>regular fans
Which ones? Because there are a lot of Kiara fans who are really disappointed this isn't happening. So, while it was a large enough upswell of angry idiots, it isn't like it was the entire HL fanbase who tried to nix this thing. It was one group of fans spoiling things for another group of fans.

>>4186001
Over perfectly understandable reasons.

>>4186020
"Understandable", again, only from the perspective of the people who were outraged. The ones who wanted this and were excited for it don't care.

>>4184939
And no Hololive will ever collab with that whore never ever ever ever ever ever ever, thank God.

>>4179558
>>4179817
>>4185941
Nyanners said Cover told her to fuck off because of the video, it's obvious Veibae lied.

NYANNERS JUST SAID ON STREAM THAT VEIBAE "CAN'T COLLAB".
Wording is important. She didn't say Veibae "doesn't want to" collab. She said she can't. Get fucked Vtrannies.

>>4186020
Your feelings are not perfectly understandable reasons. I don't give a shit what Vei said about Cover 9 months ago, I wanted to see Kiara have fun with girls outside of the Hololive bubble.

>>4186041
Even the people who "don't care" about it understand why other people were outraged, which is what separates this incident from the hypothetical "Melody porn leak" or the "ironmouse twitter shit". Nobody can unironically defend anyone who gets angry over melody doing porn before in a mainstream setting without getting laughed out of the room, but this shit can absolutely take hold in public

>>4186097
She also said that it can happen in the near future.

>>4186098
You do not give a shit, plenty of others do, and those people can make a case for themselves in the mainstream fanbase. That's what's different about this.

>>4184939
the fact that you call your chuuba a streamer tells me everything I need to know about her

>>4186128
For herself, not for Veibae. She said Cover was still willing to have her only but she didn't feel like "stealing" Veibae's spot. Veibae is banned.

>it can happen in the near future.
Actually what she said is "maybe, someday".

>>4186149
>nooo you have to use epic /vt/een slang like chuuba/oshi/gosling or you're cringe!
zoomers these days i swear to god

>>4186097
Oh you should have kept listening, dipshit.

"Veibae's decision is her decision; my decision is my own decision."

Seriously, you were already proven wrong once, now you come in here because you got rekt in the general, and you're gonna get rekt here, too. God you're stupid.

>>4186197
She literally said what I said. It's not Cover or Hololive, it's the asspained fans. Kiara and others want things to calm down, and then collab.

>>4186227
>>4186267
So basically you're admitting holochads have the power to stop the collab

>>4186227
YOU should have kept listening, you fucking reddit spacing moron. Cover said NO to Veibae but would've still been willing to let Nyanners collab, but she didn't feel like doing it without Veibae.

>>4186267
So Vtrannies have moved onto full-on hallucinations now. But who gives a shit, this was all on stream. The VOD will speak for itself.

>>4186311
>>4186318
You people are so fucking cringy.

>>4171279
I only know the literal whore and the bubble girl.

>>4186334
Forever drinking vtranny tears

>>4172065
the day u go outside and talk to a woman and she doesnt start screaming about poop cum and dicks dont be disappointed anon.

Reminder that melody literally commissions porn of herself: https://ecchi.iwara.tv/videos/626djivgoniozgg5o

Pretty based

Damn these threads are a mess Vshojo fans you need to learn how to ignore the bait.

>>4186311
That was never questioned. This other asshole has been spouting a rrat with no basis that it was HL / Cover that banned Veibae from collabing based on a vague statement Nyanners made on her Discord. However, she never actually said anything about HL / Cover and now on her stream confirmed that Veibae backed out on her own and that she (Nyan) wasn't the original person that Kiara wanted and she'd feel really bad doing the collab without Vei. She is leaving the possibility of a collab open in the future when things (namely you) calm down. But she never said anywhere that HL / Cover blocked the Veibae collab from happening. Kiara never said HL / Cover blocked Veibae. Veibae never said HL / Cover blocked her. Only this asshole thinks that it is true.

I'm just squashing rrats. You fucks did your thing and did it well, I can't argue with that.

>>4186476
They all do.

>>4186476
Her first porn commission is her own avatar anon.

>>4184975
>shell fold and grovel before hololive before long.
She already said she won't

>>4175790
Bro, nearly every Holo girl drops the character rp like a month in and just streams as themselves. They'll bring up their characters like once in a while as a meme or for fun, but they pretty much just are themselves. This comment is stupid anyways, because literally every streamer on the planet, puts on to some degree a facade of themselves while streaming. Nobody is 100% themselves while streaming. Mori saying "Yeah I teach sycth swinging classes" instead of saying she's an English teacher in japan, does not mean she's constantly larping as her character.

>>4186476
Vei probably does that more

>>4185941
Cover came out and admitted they were at fault and paid for all of the legal fees required to fuck up the manager who thought he could get away with it. To be fair from cover's side, Japan struggles with this issue because public opinion and law sides with the "innocent businessman". Cover tried to just quietly push out the creepy manager, but it then escalated to him sexually assaulting Mel. But after he had done so, cover now had the legal grounds to fully punish him. Arguably, the only thing they really fucked up on was making it kind of easy for the ex-manager to figure out Mel's schedule after he had already been fired. And so now Cover makes it policy for only the people directly involved with the Talent to know their schedule. My guess was that they used to have their schedule posted and shared amongst all of the hololive employees, but now those details are only visible/accessible to the manager and whoever else works directly with the Talent.

>>4186552
So where's the collab?

>>4176393
Ah yes, instead of her saying she's an English teacher in Japan, she says she teaches sycth swinging lessons. Therefore she's always playing a character 24/7 and is hard committed to her grim reaper persona.

>>4186586
Uh? I meant that she said she won't apologize, of course there won't be a collab

>>4186481
Cover typically bans collabs based on their fans opinions. It makes a lot of sense that the managers likely were the ones that pushed very strongly against collabing with vshoujo for a long time. And I'm betting Kiara's manager is currently saying, "I told you it was going to be a shitfest. Look at what's going on, all we did was suggest a potential collab."

>>4180689
You do understand why Cover have to worry about permissions right? Like you aren't a total brainlet to the point you don't comprehend the reasons behind their concern over getting those?

>>4186481
You people really are unable to read between the lines.
Even assuming they stepped down on their own knowing cover they wont poke the hornet's nest after this one

>>4186594
Yeah, I don't know why that would bother anybody. While most of the VShojo girls completely break kayfabe most of the time, Melody still pops back in talking about being an AI and how "you humans" stuff, and Mouse will randomly pop in reaffirming she is Satan, and Nyan talks about being a horrible Eldritch Abomination, and such. Tho they generally only remember when it is funny and they want to crack a joke.

this thread is really opening my eyes, thanks OP. didn't realize that vshojo fans were all psychos

>>4180689
>Vshojo doesn't control what their talents say or do on their streams
And that will backfire in time

>>4186098
Bitch doubled down on her misinformation, people are more outraged cause of that.

>>4184191
I mean, Ironmouse unironically, but that's probably it.

>>4186713
I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that ENMA is wary of this stuff. The thing is, they were blocking collabs (with just about everybody) for a very long time and then suddenly reversed decision. I am still curious why they did that.

But let's talk about the now. The decision was reversed, which means something changed. So either HL/Cover wants collabs for some reason now because they think it can benefit them, or they feel like it is necessary in some other fashion. That HL / Cover ("they") still came to Nyanners after Veibae backed out and asked if she still wanted to go. There is also the rumored Mousey / Mori possibility. So, HL / Cover or ENMA still wants to try collabing with VShojo, they still think it'll benefit them somehow.

>>4186773
>says increasingly fuming man for the 30th time this year

>>4186884
No collab

>>4186991
Give it time.

>>4187003
>says increasingly fuming man for the 30th time this year

>>4182886
>>4183331
It couldn't possibly be because -i don't know- advertisers and sponsors actually pay you more if you don't constantly curse and talk about your pelvic bodily functions, right?

Remember, even cartoons contain a lot of sexual innuendos and crass humor which is intended to be funny and harmless for kids, but it's truly intended for the adults in the room watching with them.

>>4186476
>spending your own money on porn of yourself
For what fucking purpose?
Unironic gap material for herself?

>>4187104
Form of advertisement
Gives back to the community

>>4187104
because her entire fanbase has gotten pissed that she doesn't do porn herself anymore so shes commissioning these to try and keep them happy

>>4187035
I'm not even that anon, I just want to tick you off.

>>4186850
>The thing is, they were blocking collabs (with just about everybody) for a very long time and then suddenly reversed decision. I am still curious why they did that.
A combination of Kizuna Ai collabing, the talents themsevles pushing for it, and nijiEN debut probably. Not that I blame them for the restrictions, the EN vtuber industry went from having like 50 people to having 50 thousand, most of which are grifters and bandwagoners and so they were probably getting flooded with collab requests.

>>4187265
HL-EN has been the big dog since they debuted and have not needed anything to help them out. I keep thinking the Niji-EN thing spooked them more than they let on, because it is very weird that some of these restrictions got lifted not very long after the Niji-EN debuts. They also know that, even if ENMA doesn't allow it, that the girls (both VS and HL) have already made unofficial inroads with each other on Twitter, so they have an advantage over Niji-EN to get collabs going first. As I understand it, the Niji-EN's in their previous lives didn't have any connections with VShojo, so they have to build that from scratch, and they very well could because the VShojo girls just love having fun with everybody (esp. Mouse).

I dunno. I just find the sudden gearshift fascinating. From VShojo's perspective it is like "hey, finally!" so we're all gung ho for it, but I feel like someone in Cover is making a calculated decision to use us in some fashion. Kind of makes the commentary on VShojo "leeching" funny to me.

>>4186479
SJWs will never EVER not take the bait.

>>4186481
Alright you little shit, let's see just how hard you can delude yourself into wishful thinking now.
READ THE FUCKING QUOTE:
>they said my friend couldn't do it
THEY. SAID.
VEIBAE DIDN'T CHOOSE SHIT. SHE GOT BOUNCED. You dumb fuck.
COVER NIXED THE COLLAB.

>>4184714
>youtube top SC earners are mostly hololive
>3rd most viewed female is a holomem
yeah they dont appear in global metrics at all, retard.

>>4187897
>hate nyanners so much you give her money to enter discord
wat

>>4187897
>SHE GOT BOUNCED
Good riddance. I wish nyan one went through though

>>4186768
>sjws
>not psychos
come on

>>4187983
>what are gifted subs
Don't worry, some cuck paid for it.

>>4187897
not him, but this is pretty convincing

>>4187852
>>4187997
ogey

>>4187897
Based element inspector

>>4187897
Nice fake

>>4188197
>>4188224
Cope

>>4188197
>>4188224
Feel free to disprove it

>>4187897
Thank god for cover, the girls would have made so many mistakes otherwise

>>4188197
>>4188224
you faggots anything else to say?

>>4188591
*tips fedora*

>>4187897
Based. Saved for posterity, thanks for the evidence.

>>4188197
>>4188224
Levels of cope that shouldn't even be possible

>>4188999
mmhm huff that copuim

>>4187897
Why censor the timestamp?
This is fake as fuck.

>>4188591
Literally her stream, right now.

>>4189868
I'll repost it tomorrow once the date changes.

>>4190121
There is no timestamp, what's the fucking point?
Also, why even bother faking DMs? She talked about the collab just now, for like 10 minutes.

>>4172065
because the girl with super AIDS constantly talking about sex is a totally real persona...

>>4187897
>Something that happened months ago.
So would veibae still collab with Kiara if she shit on vshoujou and her fans? Nyanners clearly doesn't understand how seriously stupid veibae was being talking about an industry she knew nothing about.

>>4190231
DMs you fucking moron? What the fuck are you even talking about? That's a channel

>>4190531
I don't fucking care. What's the point?

>>4190477
>talking about an industry she knew nothing about
the trash taste faggots did the same thing and cover still forced mori to collab with them

>>4190630
Of what?

>>4190794
Wasn't that collab requested by Kadokawa? I am certain shortly after that they ended up getting sponsorships from Bookwalker.

>>4190804
Of faking Discord messages. It's something Nyanners talks about on stream freely.

>>4190978
>faking
My god you faggots really are in denial.

>>4191207
Again, what's the point?

>>4189971
You mean that PR deflection that was so vague that she could have talked about something entirely different and it would still apply?

these people are still coping, it's hilarious

>>4191245
If you think those messages are fake you are beyond reasoning, you need to step away from the computer.
Or pay the 5 bucks for the sub so you can go see for yourself i guess, but i'm sure that even if somebody paid for you, you still wouldn't do it.

>>4189971
What she said on stream (and it is on stream; there's a VOD and VODs don't lie) is that Veibae CAN'T collab, not that she didn't want to.

nyan made some good money today. the antis have no power

>>4191664
You are not only dumb, but deaf too. Listen to the clip.

>>4191695
I mean findom is a pretty normal thing these days.

>>4191664
>If you think those messages are fake you are beyond reasoning, you need to step away from the computer.
>Or pay the 5 bucks for the sub so you can go see for yourself i guess, but i'm sure that even if somebody paid for you, you still wouldn't do it.
I am in her Discord. She wrote no such messages.

>>4191891
but why? who would invent something so retarded and even manage to spread it

>>4192001
She wrote them in a sub only channel, you're not in those obviously. You need to link your twitch account to your discord account and be a subscriber.

>>4172297
>dying wheelchair
I don't watch vshartjo, but if the worst thing someone can say about Ironmouse is that she's in a wheelchair, then that automatically makes her the only tolerable one right?

>>4192209
I'm in that channel.

>>4192363
sure, if you can stand her voice and like her "haha I'm so lewd xP" humor

>>4192773
>hating ironmouse
The entire board thinks you're trying too hard

>>4193115
the voices in your head aren't the entire board

>>4192209
i got a sub for free but im still not sure if i want to use discord

>>4192541
And you can't fucking use the search function?

>>4192541
Why dont you post Nyanners real messages then to disprove it?

>>4192773
Oh, so she's like that too? Is there a single one of them that ISN'T like that?

>>4193264
I did. There's nothing.
>>4193322
>why don't you leak something from Discord to prove that something doesn't exist
Sure.

>>4193249
You have to put in your phone number for verification or some other kike shit, i already had a verified discord account so it's no big deal for me. Not sure it's worth it just to teabag her retarded fanboys

>>4192541
this guy is actually blind

>>4193453
Just tell us the name of the sub-only channel, i wanna see how hard you're willing to lie to protect your findom mistress.

>>4193364
I have only watched like 2 of her streams but ironically melody is the chillest one

>>4193453
>Bro trust me It's like I said it is
So you are saying you cant prove it?

>>4193481
wtf? im never going to give it to that site. i doubt that its worth the anonymity compromise

>>4193795
Yeah i have a burner i use exclusively for internet shit, if it's your personal phone is probably not worth it

>>4193897
i could get a prepaid card with cash but i just cant believe that they would provide something that is worth the effort

>>4193592
At the same time, her side hustle is jerking off for coomers on chaturbate. So, they're all whores, and as more and more holos acknowledge them, their influence will grow until that's the norm, proving everyone who says vtubers are just e-girl titty streamers with anime avatars right. Except they won't just be e-girl titty streamers. They'll be e-girl titty streamers with the comedy skills of Amy Schumer. Enjoy.

>>4194092
8 Belle Delphines, but they're 30+ years old and talking about vaginal mold and queefs.

>>4193560
Not going to. I want to see how far you willing to lie to attack some egirl. The messages are not real, and you didn't even bother to do something as simple as posting a fullscreen image of the server with those messages, which would've proven at least something.
You're a liar.

>>4194036
Basically each discord server can decide wether you need to have a phone number linked to your account or not to join it. I think it's to make it harder to avoid bans because for every account you make you need a different phone number

>>4194234
>Not going to
There you have it folks, this retard isn't even in the channel.

>>4194341
So you won't post a real screenshot? Why?

>>4192541
no you arent

>>4194092
i doubt that the japanese companies can be changed that easily

>>4194429
Yes, I am.

>>4194389
Sure, can you tell me the name of the channel you want me to post a full screenshot of?

>>4194509
Yes.

>>4194234
So why should I believe you over the guy with the image? If you give me a good reason I willing to listen. But at this point your are just screeching

>>4194430
Nipnops love americans for some inexplicable reason. Just look at how many streamers are doing English duolingo. Hayama Marin (my girlfriend) created a Twitch account so that she could interact with more ENs.
Even though typically ENs spend jack shit compared to JPs, they like to pander to us. Probably due to post-war cultural pandering due to not wanting to be seen as a bad country on the world stage.

>>4194509
why not just post it, dude

>>4194614
Why not? Are you only willing to trust what you want to believe without any evidence?

>>4194591
>uncoditional surrender

>>4194782
>>4187897

>>4194809
So nothing? No actual evidence? You couldn't even bother with a proper fake?

>>4194889
I mean the full screen, shits easy to do

>>4194898
This is pathetic lol
>>4194951
Sure, do you also want me to post my discord name and the servers i'm in maybe?

>>4194951
>I mean the full screen, shits easy to do
>just doxx yourself so I can destroy you by report spamming because my pink cat got exposed
NO

>>4195019
you can just cut your name out in paint