/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>4120571
>livers

>Shitennou
>Big Five
?

Nostalgia

>>4120571
We should make one of these for the modern times. Might be an actually productive thing to do other than complain about FOTM chuuba hate.

>>4120571
>Merry Milk
Now I wonder if she's still active nowadays.

Literally no one in /vt/ watched vtubers before 2019. Those people are in /jp/

Current chart would be Hololive in the middle in a big fucking square with spikes on it.

I should see what Kaguya Luna's doing under her other persona now. She was probably the only one I would watch with any regularity before Hololive.

>>4121358
This, including you.

>>4121358
As if you couldn't browse two boards at the same time.

>>4121172
It's dumb I agree, wasn't me who made the chart though. No idea who translated

I miss Kaguya Luna so much...

>>4121417
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLqCmbd6bgcLaBVz3aA-68A

Ponko is cute!
So is her manager!

>>4121611
>Idol Larping
Fuck me

I miss Minai Karte...

>>4120571
like >>4121358
Some exist though that said I find it funny the second list has Kaluru he is literally a "VTubers only you have watched tier streamer" and Ruki is only on there because of Nekomasu

>>4121411
If anything, hololive would be a big walled square in the corner because of how much Cover keeps insulating their whole company from the rest of the industry.

>>4122993
t. EOP

I wonder how many people got into vtubers back in the Eilene and Kizuna Ai days just to drop the hobby and come back in 2019 or 2020.

>>4121358
I used to watch Nekomiya Hinata, Kizuna ai, Yomemi, and Kaguya Luna (what the hell happened to Luna?)

>>4123092
I really wish I didn't drop vtubes bac

>>4123092
Those people kinda suck but it's understandable to a degree. Myself, I've been watching VTubers since early 2017, so I've pretty much seen it all.

>>4120571
>2019 is oldfag for vtubing
I would honestly hate the state of vtuber discussion if I was an oldfag

>>4122993
t. idiot

>>4123092
I dropped it mid 2017 and got back in early 2019 when I stumbled upon some niji song covers

>>4122993
Spotted the vshitter

>>4123092
Wouldn't say I was into them but I did catch an Ai vid once a week or so in 2017, why the entire industry decided to completely abandon the western market for 3 years with a proven audience bigger than the JP side nobody knows

>>4123092
I started watching Ai in early 2017 but, started to get vtuber burnout in late 2018 and watched mostly clips only until hololive started going viral in late 2019.

Do you guys remember the Christmas miracle and the vtuber threads dying every 2 hours with 2k+ post every time?

>>4123186
Went back to her other account. Not sure why she did that though.

>>4120571
Kuzuha love!

>>4120571
Nice to see Ono in that chart, used to tune into Citail's videos despite having no interest in the company or their work environment just because his model was so on point.

>>4124880
Luna was a one-time project, and she was satisfied with what she has accomplished with Luna.

Everything was fine until Tama burnt them to the ground .

>>4125249
Is this .Live?

if I could travel to pre-2019 I'd do all my reps and support Suichan from the very start instead of being a piece of human shit

>>4121358
Hello, its me, someone who watched Kizuna AI shortly after her debut

>>4125249
based. love tama, slayer of eviL.

>>4123092
dropped it mid 2019 when most vtubers became these weird shill channels where they endlessly promote mobile apps that will never be available overseas. I was sick of Yomemi shilling shitty mobile games where I had to pay for gacha rolls. Came back on /jp/ mid february just to see the death of /vyt/. Can't really blame them. Part of what made vtubing popular are the free translations the community provides. Youtube unfortunately removed that feature partly because of the rampant translator drama behind the scenes. Not vtuber related but there was a point where the fucking translations of the music video "Say It" by Yorushika became a battlefield because some retarded SEAnigger changed them in broken English. It was honestly so fucking annoying. That's also the start of SEAnigger hate meme in baacharu chuuba circles if you aren't aware of it yet. The removal of community translations was most definitely the death blow for these 1st generation chuubas, those ones who started their vtuber careers because of Kizuna Ai. Only truly came back during the HoloEN debuts with the intention of laughing at the idea of Cover hiring western whores. Turns out that they're actually pretty good. I was honestly blown away with Mori's debut and so did the people on /jp/ that they actually were starting to dominate on the hololive thread. Some faggot janny deleted all mentions of Mori and the debut in the hololive thread, forcing the split which is now /hlgg/. That dreaded general is also the reason to why this board exists. As much of a shithouse the current vtubing community here on 4chan, at least I can say that I'm genuinely enjoying it.

>>4126039
It's been insane seeing all the new fags jumping in and trying to talk about how the threads should be like they had any idea what they actually were like. /vyt/ split arc, global split arc, the homo retaliation arc, all full of new fags forcing out the old thread culture and ruining it with their entry grade baby hot takes.

>>4126105
looking back at the current state of /vyt/ nowadays, it's just a wasteland of youtube link spams. I don't even know if there's still an actual community left in there. Most of the activity are on Hololive nowadays and I'm assuming that the /vyt/ schizos moved in there as well. I dread for the day that when EN2 comes, the newniggers will ask for a split again. Im already annoyed at the Takodachis and Deadbeats using their respective split threads. EN2 will definitely seal the fate and death of /hlgg/. I hope my doomposting ramblings won't turn into reality but I've already seen this fucking scenario play out multiple times already.

>>4126322
hate to break it to you but if you think generals are good and separate threads for separate subjects is bad then your are the newnigger

>>4126424
didn't I already tell you that I wasn't on /jp/ when the coco split happened?

>>4126322
>I hope my doomposting ramblings won't turn into reality
as if any ever did

>>4124880
she only treated vtubing as a hobby. so when she lost motivation, she moved back to her other channel instead.

>>4126681
didnt she write a book about her escapades and experiences as a vtuber? Someone mentioned it on /jp/ a while back but he didn't mention the title.

first time I was introduced to vtubers was when I watched a show called "virtual-san wa miteiru". initially thought that it was a shitty anime show, not knowing that it was actually an indirect promo for the VTubers involved.

kizuna (music only), mirai akari, himehina, the horse head guy (dont know his name), mito and the then-Game club project.

good old times.

>>4120571
Why didn't all the old big vtubers adopt the streaming style to stay relevant? Imagine if kizuna started streaming like all the others. She might still be the big one.

>>4126424
The separate threads ARE the generals, anon. Due to global size and broad amount of topics, its less of a general and more of an entire board in itself. If the thread was a lot slower, than yes it'd be a general. Anons splitting off and spending their times in their respective character generals is bad and the exact thing people feared would happen if /vt/ was made. It ruins the entire fun of talking about vtubers on a forum if everyone is just separated into their own little hugboxes.

Generals are cancer but one of the major problems with generals is that it segments that community away from each other. Which is what people spending most of their time in separate character threads does.

>>4126609
/vyt/ is fucking dead. None of the people here talk about Japanese chuubas on that thread. Thread activity only spikes during special events. Everyone just moved either to Nijisanji and Hololive or just stopped posting altogether. The curiosity and funposting /vyt/ had on its early days are gone. Now tell me if a thread whose only purpose is to archive a spam of youtube links is a thread with any semblance of community.

>>4126912
*there

>>4126796
yeah maybe you're right, I'm pretty delusional to expect people to treat the board as a "board in itself" as you put it where you can post various topics instead of hiding inside a singular absurdly fast chatroom general, that kind of board culture on this site died almost a decade ago

i just wish the edited video format didn't get killed by livestreaming so hard desu
maybe it's just autism but i vastly preferred it because i at least could watch all of the girls i liked in one day without worrying about skipping stuff because of scheduling and attention problems

>>4123041
>>4123301
>>4123585
It's well known that Hololive talents in all branches except ID and homos are collabing less than before with the outside

>>4123041
>>4123301
>>4123585
Fuck off and lurk more.
I'd say look at the archives, but more than half their fucking videos are gone now.
Hololive pre-Gen3 collabed with loads of people. Hell arguably even pre-Gen4 they collabed a lot more.
It's not even exaggeration to state that 99% of this thread don't know Aqua and Ririmu used to stream together. Worse, at least 90% probably don't even know who the latter is.
They've become horribly insulated since 2020 onwards, but Gen3 was definitely the start of the insular behaviour.
Now these days they have to write a fucking essay to request collabs with people because "Oh no icky males!!!"

>>4127130
This convo made me realize why I probably somewhat actually enjoy browsing this board while I haven't actually used the rest of the site for years. While the board itself has its own problems like say almost every poster is a schizo with some narrative they are trying to spout. These are apart of the board experience and add to the sense of "community" it has. Global is pretty much a board in itself and you can get a dozen different entire threads of discussion in it with a very wide range of anons. But outside that people don't really jam themselves into general threads, except westerntuber anons. Most of the general threads are just for image dumping and struggle to stay alive. The rest of the board is just various topics, normally rrats of some form. The thing is most of those threads end up being every type of anon on the board so threads end up being very same but also distinctly different in their own way. It's a very old 4chan style feeling from the board over being a neutered board where people try to separate from each other.

I doubt it'll last much longer, especially when en2 comes around. But until then /vt/ is probably the most fun I've had on this site in a long long time.

>>4120571
YUAposting...

>>4127610
>except westerntuber anons
its becoming better in my opinion, every since the great trashfire in march, which increased usage of /wvt/ and the satelite threads. the /aud/ists have been uncaged and unleashed on /wvt/ as well and tsunderia might bleed a bit into prism and if the tiger&dragon narrative is true then tsunderia will probably get more /wvt/ traffic. dont see vshojo discussion merging any time soon, which might be for the better, and nijiEN will likely have their own general filled vs holo vs niji shitposting. depending on how unbearable that is and how much collabs they will do, chances are that /wvt/ will see some discussion. Doubt it since they would most likely collab with the bracket of 200-1000 viewer chuubas that are mostly converted channels with pre-existing fanbases which literally no one cares about on the entire site.

>>4120571
Still fucks me up to see how Kizuna Ai went from being on top of the world and THE vtuber to becoming just nothing. What a fall from grace.

>>4126039
>here was a point where the fucking translations of the music video "Say It" by Yorushika became a battlefield because some retarded SEAnigger changed them in broken English. It was honestly so fucking annoying. That's also the start of SEAnigger hate meme in baacharu chuuba circles if you aren't aware of it yet.
nice

>>4127904
It really just illustrates the importance of public perception and if people truly feel like they are being betrayed, you're dead. Literally the biggest deal to a nobody in a span of a day.

>>4127904
Go save her, saviourfags!

>>4127999
I watched a video the other day and the way they talked about AI is representative of most vtuber fans
https://youtu.be/ZUZwrbxk3Jk?t=305
>She's a puppet, even her voice actor is disposable, she has 5 substitutes that share her body

>>4121529
Same.

>>4128125
>(You) can be a vtuber!
>....unless you're a guy where your chances are slim

>>4127904
She's functionally the MySpace of vtubers. Basically tipped off a whole new category of media when she came out, yes... but got kind of outmoded fast by more optimized systems that put out much more content with way less effort, then multiplexed into groups of them to boot. Ai was just a different model from the start vs an adaptation of a typical variety streamer like what chuubas became known to be - actually with all the mocap and premade shows etc there was a lot more effort put into her than some girl talking into a phone. You can argue we regressed a lot from that. However when there are thousands of L2D streamers going vs just Ai I mean, is it even surprising at all she simply got drowned out in the wave of the trend?

Not to mention the way they attempted to force multiply her with there being several different Ais etc, just plain proved to be the wrong move instead of make Ai the founder of a chuuba group instead and be their Sora. Tragic? Kind of, but I mean she's still the #1 technically (for a more months at least) and still commands a lot of clout in Japan.

>>4128125
>cover rigs them up with a 3d model, iphone x and a speced up gaming pc
Sorry mate, looks like you didn't do enough research. Implying cover supplys fucking gaming pcs for free.

>>4128373
I closed and left a dislike the moment he spread the Kizuna Ai got replaced rrat

>>4121358
Tons of people watched Kizuna back in the day.

>>4128373
They do, but it's a loan. They have to pay it back, but they will offer it upfront to those that request it.
Very few have done that since they already had decent computers to begin with.

>>4120571
Gengen...

>>4128125
I fucking hate anitubers so much, including this faggot. Stop shilling your videos here, faggot

Anyone remember this board back in 2016?

>>4128125
I've watched and read the comments of this video 4 times now (5 counting its upload) its all broad generalizations, the same pair of social relationship arguments, the "they're not genuine, its all an act 100% of the time" and other misinformation that ignores nuances of vtubers, like the kizuna ai and holoCN stuff. Even the stuff about the voices and noises (which is all complaints) comes down to personal preferences. This seem like the type of guy to shit on the cute and moe genre of anime because "hes too coo for cute and funny anime". Its a generic ani tuber video about vtubers

>>4128125
Based and 100% truthpilled

>>4120571
NO MORE DEAD CHINKS

>>4128602
I wish I had a 450K subscribers YouTube channel and could live off from it

>>4120571
RIP Gamebu and old Cocoa. Glad HimeHina are still doing well. I stopped watching Akari some point after Eilene was gone.
>>4121358
I'm here. Now are there people who watched vtubers back then and had continued to watch vtubers until now? I'm not sure. At some point I stopped watching then resumed watching late 2019.
>>4127739
Tits and that translator?manager? who people said was mexican or something.
>>4127904
Vtuber hype died down, now its back up. Will it crash down again?
>>4128554
This but I'm sure most eventually dropped vtubers in general and then picked them up again in 2020.

Can anyone spoonfeed why info about Ai changing voice actors is false? Started watching chuubas around a year ago, didn't watch Ai before, but noticed that this rrat is still pretty common and gets repeated by normalfags a lot.

>>4128860
>Will it crash down again?
No.

>>4120571
Natori Sana was one of the OGs? Cool to know that I guess

>>4120571
>Moscowmule
Wow I forgot about that guy, I remember his 3D stuff in his streams being pretty impressive at the time though.

>>4128641
I just finished watching it and 99% of his complaints boil down to him just not liking cute things and wanting his entertainment to be completely bounded to reality. He's literally a "reeeee fuck off moe shit only 2deep4u anime 4 me watch a real anime like logh"

>>4128865
She herself made a video addressing this, use the warosu archive for /jp/ and crawl throught it, its pretty easy to find, or go to /vyt/

>>4128865
please learn how to type in english first before posting, chang

>>4128945
Anon, I...
I'm Slav

>>4128913
I know, what the hell is so hard with liking both? You don't have to, but ill never understand people bitching about SoL anime in favor of shonen "cause of muh cool realism and deepness" they act like its impossible to like shows like idolmaster and berserk at the same time

I miss the VRChat gen of vtubers. Not just because "3D > 2D", just because they regularly hung out and did shit. There was more community.
Very few of them are still around these days, and only some of them sort of came back thanks to Vket due to the lockdown nonsense, but even they've sorta went back in to retirement again. Mei...
>>4128871
Of course it will, but not much. And that's only when economies start to open back up proper, which actually won't be this year, probably next. Probably. Maybe.

>>4127904
Man, I remember when I dropped Kizuna Ai before Hololive was even a thing. Got confused by what is happening. First, they introduce Kizuna Ai Alter and shit. I was okay with that even if that was retarded. But then, they added Gamer Ai and Singer Ai and even chink Ai. Then the whole Kizuna Ai replacement arc happened. OG Ai doxxed herself and then she came back. That was a whole lot of drama that killed her.

>>4121358
I haven't really hanged out on /jp/ much because to me it always was the touhou board and I was never too much into it, but I've been watching VTubers since Oyabun's rise, and some of the earlier attempts at the idea too.
Was very close to falling into the Nijisanji hell because of kemt, but avoided that because parsing JP by ear fries my brain to this day. Was a reasonably dedicated pillbug. Life was most definitely sechigarai nojya. Accidentally saw Nora Cat publicly logging in to VRC for the first time, praying to statues in Japan Shrine, before everyone realized that he's online and the room became absolutely overcrowded.
And then Holo just appeared and consumed everything and unlike all of my acquaintances I was never too interested in them and gradually fell out of the trends to some multilingual indie swamps.

>>4121734
She did have a short cameo in a recent event though it was just for covid safety practices.

>>4127904
>to becoming just nothing
This is hyperbole to the highest degree. She isn't on top of the vtuber world anymore but Ai is doing just fine for herself. She gets decent viewership when she streams. Her videos still do ok (especially her songs), and, most importantly, her content is still really good.

That isn't even considering her Tik-Tok account which has actually blown up, has millions of subscribers, and gets millions of views. That is a part of the vtuber culture that has been mostly ignored here but she is absolutely killing it on that app.

>>4128125
Kizuna ai is just the OG VA for over a year. This dude is straight up misinfoming people.

>>4133075
Ai fans have gotten used to it. People would rather throw out their uneducated opinions instead of doing the 10 seconds of research it takes to learn what actually happened. Point stands that Ai is still doing relatively well and us Ai fans still love the content.

>>4126789
Because most of them were hired actresses recording in a studio and couldn't sit on the computer streaming for hours an end.

And most of them eventually moved their gaming from pre-recorded to streaming (including Ai herself) but by that point was too little too late

>>4127449
>>4127590
What you guys are witnessing is more the fact that Hololive has an increased roster size that leads to more internal collabs than it is a willful downsizing of outside collaboration. Remember, there is some form collab rule in place that basically forces them to collab internally to promote lower traffic channels, and when your group gets above a certain size, keeping things fresh internally is easier than looking for people to collab.

>Now these days they have to write a fucking essay to request collabs with people because "Oh no icky males!!!"
Of course it had to be a male beggar. There isn't a "no male collabs" in Hololive as far as we know. The girls don't simply because there's more money in them not doing so. Pound sand and fuck off.

>>4133136
>>4133136
But how can she grow again when this shit keeps spreading to a big audience.It is so fucking tiring seeing her putting a lot of effort in different things only to be brought down by a bunch of misinformed retards

>>4123092
I know I did, people here like to talk about creativity in videos and skits but the truth is if you want to watch a fun video with cute girls you might as well just watch anime. Live streaming with anime girls? Now that’s a unique experience.

>>4120571
I'm not actually very nostalgic for those days at all, I mostly remember them for proto-tribalfags like braindead Kizuna Ai loyalists and other people acting like they had god tier taste for watching Siro. The corporate vtubers were boring as fuck and there weren't nearly as many good japanese indies as there are active right now. Even early Nijisanji got a lot better through 2019.

The western fanbase grew to be a lot more moronic than I could have ever imagined but that's a given in any circumstance. You're awfully pessimistic if you look at them as a measure of the state of virtual youtubers as a whole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-csTusLwZA

I miss 30fps-chan like you wouldn't believe. Her content had a self-aware edge to it that I really liked. Also, her collabs with Ai were the peak of pre-streamer chuuba content.

>>4134122
the Ai brand is too obviously corporate for anyone to actually trust what she says when trying to explain away the rrats. It's the same thing you see now with cover hate, people just don't trust managers in the entertainment industry

>>4128865
They added new VAs to boost video output since the original VA couldn't do 14 videos a week + her (failed) TV show + guest appearances on normie TV + live events, and for a while it looked like theybwere really gonna replace her, specially since her VA landed and anime job on her own.

Somewheee along the line the story just turned from "they are trying to replace Ai" to "they replaced Ai" despite her VA doing a fucking face reveal in one video to prove it was still her.

>>4134035
>Remember, there is some form collab rule in place that basically forces them to collab internally to promote lower traffic channels
There is no such rule, otherwise everyone and theor grandma would be forced to collab with fuckibg Choco, Aki and Mel, but yeah the main reason that there are less outside collabs is that hololive fucking tripled in size since 2018 and thus it's more likely that any holo will collab with another holo rather than outsiders, specially the new gens, people who used to collab with nijis still do it.

>>4134953
Mel, Subaru, Ayame, Aqua, Miko...

When did everything go wrong? Tribalism was pretty much non-existent unless you counted the bants. Did too many people respond to shitposts and baits? Were we outnumbered and assimilated by crossboarders forcing their culture onto us?

All we wanted was for everyone to succeed.

>>4135353
There was no need for tribalism since Ai was oyabun and too far ahead and the 4kings were always treated like their own special segment (technically competitors and not the same group/company but its always treated like oh its one of the 4kings, drawn together in fanart and stuff too). There were no other challengers to the 4kings. We also all shat on Yua.
>>4134993
Subaru was on Maimoto's channel in November last year. We'll have to see if he appears when she hits 1mil.

>>4126322
I know 4chan hates reddit but the vtuber reddit used to be somewhat decent and had posters from the Kizuna Ai and four kings times. Now its just filled with indies shilling. Its also more alive but still.

>>4123287
Dude, early 2020 can already be considered an oldfag due to the constant waves of newer newfags in that year and now.

>Searching Luna vtuber returns 99% Hololive
It fucking sucks. How does that mean you feel?

>>4135625
Nothing much considering she abandoned that shit for a long while already.

>>4134993
Mel had been streaming like once a month in her own channel for a while until recently but she still has been collabing outside of holo, hell just 3 weeks ago she did that Among Us collab with a buch of nijis and OGs. Ayame had also become a once-every-other-month vtuber. Miko was out for several months. Subaru and Aqua I'll give you that, and even then Aqua was in part because Mea sold out to the chinks and isn't allowed to interest with the holos.

>>4135625
She is shrinking even

>>4136358
It's true that there are the Among Us collabs, but I don't give them the same value as a one on one collab between Hololive and Nijisanji members. I view them more as a way to get to know each other to start other projects later on
>>4135516
Maimoto will probably appear, they still aren't collabing as much as they did before which is a shame since their collabs were really good

>>4135625
That tends to happen when you upload like 6 times in 2 years and then just quit unannounced

>>4136563
> I view them more as a way to get to know each other to start other projects later on
So like every other niji-holo collab outside of people who knew eachother from before like Okayu and Shiina?

>>4136872
No, I meant as a way to create relations between two chuubas, like 27-JK

>>4136928
Matuli is a well known menhera who keeps pushing away even other holos when she gets bored of them, even fucking Korone has called her out on it.

i wish hachiko did not have a twice yearly stream schedule.

>>4136563
>Maimoto will likely appear
He won't. Subaru has incline way too much recently to risk ot all by collabing with a male. She needs to take the Miko approach and pretend like that part of her history didn't happen. I bet that dumb Shiba dog is still seething to this day.

>>4126789
Some of them did try streaming, including Ai herself. Ai's earliest streams were in 2017, before hololive and nijisanji even existed. Siro also did streams; her Christmas Day stream fucking up is what led to Sora's Christmas miracle. It just didn't stick as a format due to the setup and time needed to do 3D model live streams at the time, which is why live streaming didn't take off as a format until nijisanji came onto the scene with Live2D avatars and proof that the long-form live streaming format works for VTubers.

>>4137244
I think the dumb shiba dog is more worried about the cancer instead.

Sometimes I miss the recorded video era but streaming really did change everything. Moemi will always be my wife though.

>>4137244
Do you actually believe what you say?

>>4135625
I would feel sad if she was still active.

>>4135353
SEAnigs and other assorted ESLs happened, go to the numberfag thread and observe the butchery of the English language going on in there.

>>4137118
From what I've seen in the /jp/ archive, 27 JK stopped doing collabs because they ran out of ideas. Except that it's been almost a year and a half since their last collab, so there probably won't be another one. Their stream archives on Matsuri's channel are also all privated while Yashiro's are up. According to this anon, >>4132189 they were all privated after Maimoito's 3D stream
Unrelated, but Matsuri apparently liked porn of them
https://twitter.com/salmon_683/status/1182258375607742464

>>4137329
Honestly it's quite sad how she has resorted to pretending that she and Miko used to be BFFs and begging for collabs just because she isn't making enough money as a vtuber and since nijis aren't employees like holos she doesn't have health insurance and has tondeal with government healthcare and their 50% coverage instead

>>4137538
Yes, we have seen many times that collabing with males hurts you. Subaru is not going to risk her recent success.

>>4138450
Source: your ass

>>4138571
I don't see how you can think that when there is a long and established record of females reclining hard once they collab with males. In Hololive you have Fubuki and Matsuri who still do it to this day and they have been hurt by it. Then of course you have the massively declining numbers of any female in Manjisanji. Miko and Subaru were smart enough to act like that part of their history never happened.

>>4138797
>Miko and Subaru were smart enough to act like that part of their history never happened.
You mean they were coerced by management right?

>>4139313
Not that anon, but I can see Miko choosing that for herself. She started to ghost Shiba once she got more popular than her thanks to the nigga meme. She's definitely conscious about her numbers and know that she'll be more popular of she stops them

>>4135516
I was referring more to the state of the Virtual Youtuber threads before and now. We had drawanon, subbers and even a jp blogger translating our reactions to certain events. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the overall quality of posts have depreciated compared to back then. When is there ever a need for tribalism? All it ever amounted to was even more shitposting.

>>4137799
They were always a menace. We had a sirosubber quit because of SEAs repeatedly tampering with his subs. Watching small indie streams spammed by BRs and mtl japanese was suffering.

I wonder what stage this fad is at now...

>>4121340
Who's we?
99% of the time its just one autistic dude who could be arsed to put in the effort.

I am one of those fags back then who believed that the Vtuber medium turned to shit when streaming became more favorable than recorded content which most people used to blame to nijiisanji and the 2d facerig fiasco which people now accept as a normal thing.
There was an unironic soul to the early Oyabun and 4 kings era where everyone was forced to create their own schtick and kayfabe, compared to the streaming era where it just becomes an anime twitch with extra steps.

>>4153640
>a bunch of corpos trying to be shameles brand ambassadors
>soul

>>4135625
Im going to start hoarding her videos before it inevitably gets deleted

I was a sora anti and called her a kizuna ai clone.

>>4154125
I mean, she kinda is. She even looks like Yua

>>4153899
Hey I mean there was a charm in seeing them do a bunch of shit and skits because no one has any idea what was the optimum content back then. It kinda reminds me of old youtube. Now all I see are minecraft streams.

>>4120571
honestly I'm glad for the new iteration of just like, live streamer vtubers
the skit-based kizuna ai and kaguya luna videos before that were some extremely unfunny shit
can't change my mind

>>4154695
Ai was fun at the beginning but got quite stale after a while.

Luna was almost always a blast to watch

>>4120571
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Livers
NijiENMa, pls.

>>4120571
And YouTubers pre-date vTubers

>>4155405
Kaguya Luna was /vyt/'s darling for a reason

>>4120571
Where is... vgaming...
>>4121358
I still didn't know japanese that well back then so I wasn't as deep into the hole as I am now, but I did watch Tama and Asano sisters a few times.

>>4153640
>compared to the streaming era where it just becomes an anime twitch with extra steps
vtuber streaming culture is incomparable to twitch streaming culture. It is not just anime twitch.

>>4156104
Nijisanji absolutely is. Only Hololive offers a unique experience.

>>4153899
Eilene definitely was corpo considering his affiliation with square enix yet made these videos
https://files.catbox.moe/ghfl01.mp4

Old youtube generally had more soul, corpo or not. The normalfag invasion of 2017 ruined everything

>>4156131
Hololive offers a weird mix of idol, anime and streamer experience. Nijisanji, as some other anon said before, is mainly twitch streamers with an avatar. It's not bad in itself, but their viewers will stick to those they watch and like, and not branch out that much.

I tried to go back to the old big five but seeing regular videos instead of streams now feels weird.

Cheatercat still gets invited to shill GFL and I see a random Siro tweet from time to time, but I wonder if they also do streams. Pretty insane to think that they were coasting on ad revenue alone instead of direct donations like streaming vtubers do most commonly now.

Siro has been streaming for 4 years yet still doesn't have membership

>>4157864
My fucking dick

>>4156536
>tfw Eilene didn't make video about Corona virus.
You fucking missed it, you fucking lazy jew.

>>4135353
>space sisters
holy fuck I completely forgot about them. Did they ever come back?

>>4121358
Speak for yourself. I used to watch the shit out if Eilean back in the day. Moemi deserves a greater following for the quality she produces

I began when Kizuna Ai threads started getting posted on /jp/, but for me it is HIMEHINA.

And Luna, rip.

I still remember the strange saga of this fella
wonder what sort of people his following is comprised of nowadays

is she doing okay
the success seems nice but the depression jokes get worrying

>>4167776
He is a literal whore now, kek. Eilene sold him to prostitution ring.
https://hlive.online/comdost

>>4167808
Still dumb that they shut down the whole group from doing VTubing after having them do it for about a year.

>>4164663
>holy fuck I completely forgot about them. Did they ever come back?
Owned by a Chinese branch, guess...

Is Akari the worst off of the Heavenly Kings?
>Entum runs her into the ground
>Noone cares about her anymore
>Views are on par with low tier Nijis
>Cry because your concert got cancelled due to low popularity

Ai and Siro at least have things going on IRL, Luna's roommate is extremely popular, and Noja apparently got a cushy job at Sega.

Was Hebiko the first case of mass saviorfagging?

>>4169762
The last time I saw Siro she was reduced to dancing in her swimsuit for attention

>>4169762
noja got a sega job? good for him
he also revived his channel a few months ago, he streams regularly now, his shit is like his videos, they're really chill

>>4169762
Entum stole Eilene's channel so I guess you could call it poetic justice for them. Akari did nothing wrong though.

>>4164128
she can't monetize a corona-chan video though. Youtube's been draconian these past few years. I fucking hate that jew Susan Wojak so much

>>4169948
Didn't Siro get her own movie or something?

Also her and baacharu were kinda missing for the past year because .Live was falling apart due to internal drama and they had to do managerial work

>>4156837
>weird mix of idol, anime and streamer experience
It's not that weird when you consider history. hololive is a creation of the 4 Kings Era of 3D and scripted skits. Unlike the Kings, they pivoted quickly to Live2D and streaming. So now they're basically an amalgamation of the history of vtubing. They had what worked for them, used stuff that took off for others, and kept things from another era just because.

>>4170480
>Didn't Siro get her own movie or something?
She did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80fo6lY8zO4
Kakyoin Chieri, Kagura Suzu, Carro Pino, Mokota Mememe, and Yamato Iori also helped out with the movie.

>>4169762
As a former Akarifag, yes. Content got worse after Eilene was gone. The 2nd outfit she got wasn't great. I like the current one though the colours could be done better? Her neck injury took her out of the game for a long while but she wasn't doing so hot before that even.
>>4169948
She's got like tvshows and shit doesn't she? Her outfit is so fucking fancy compared to the old days. A little over the top for me.

>>4135625
It makes me feel dead.

>>4138076
Holos aren't employees either, what are you even talking about? It's literally the same thing, with the exception that cover gives a ridiculous small salary. The money they make is all from membership, superchat and merchandise, same as Nijisanji.

>>4169865
Did absolute chain smoker Kurumi come before or after her?

>>4139456
And that's incredible stingy and bad behavior anon, for real. Even more when other vtubers in hololive itself aren't like her and collab with much smaller channels.

>>4169948
Siro has like 1-2k watching her streams.

>>4171068
Kurumi first iirc
>>4171046
Stop getting baited

>>4171082
A few Hololivers are like that though. Most of them don't even collab outside Hololive

>>4171117
Kurumi got saviorfagged pretty hard so I'd say she was the first. I miss when she was more than a cameo, but I liked Gorilla's inclusion to Tenmakinin, so I was conflicted.

>>4134122
Let me offer my worthless perspective. I know that Ai's VA was not replaced and that all of the problems she's having are not her fault but rather the fault of her management. Nevertheless, I actively refuse to watch anything she does even if I hold Ai herself in high regard for both being the progenitor of modern Vtubing and for soldiering in the face of all that's happened to her. Why? It's to make sure that every other company understands and, more importantly, is MADE CONTINUALLY AWARE that they will pay the iron price if they try to replace their talent and that the audience will never forgive such a move. Companies fundamentally have a short memory. Anything that's not pertinent to the next quarterly report may as well have happened in the age of the Roman Empire. If Ai were to recover her crown, then you might unironically see the same shit that happened to her happen again to others because the suits see it as a sign that replacement is a risk that can be managed (rather than a certain harbinger of demise) and that upd8's mistake was merely in their approach to replacing Ai rather than the entire premise of the move. That's my rationale. It might sound retarded to the rest of you, but I honestly think that Ai continuing to die on the cross of irrelevance as a sacrifice to save the world of vtubing is a preferable outcome to the possibility of what happened to her and the Gamebu happen again. It is because the suits and management has seen and continues to see what is happening to her that they are always reminded that they are mortal and should not make the same mistake.

>>4171326

>>4171326
>It might sound retarded to the rest of you
Oh, it most certainly does anon. Make sure you put your helmet on when you go outside.

>>4171146
sure but they didn't collab like her.

>>4171637
Let me redirect you to this comment
>>4134993

>>4120571
You're just a bunch pretenders if you don't know about the VRchat arc and the legendary Kaiji's collab

>>4121450
How new

I remember watching DMM's vtuber and feeling bad about her low views, even though it was a corporate marketing attempt

>>4121358
>He didn't watch kizuna ai and the asano sisters just as they debuted
Time to leave tourist

>>4121358
>he didn't watch himehina
newfagchama...

>>4173893
New enough to still refuse to let go of my homeboard for more than a decade now.

>>4171326
This is incredibly dumb. Gamebu already serves as an example to the industry on why replacement is a bad move. Ai, on the other hand, is a victim of rumors generated by the fan community getting out of control. There was never any intention on replacing her; it was the fact that the Multiple Ai project was happening at the same time as the Gamebu incident that caused the fans to assume the worst. If anything, Ai's situation should serve a reminder that the fans need to keep themselves in check lest their unfounded fears end up causing damage. Yeah, upd8 fucked up by not clarifying the situation sooner and on top of their bad management, they ended up getting shut down so they paid the price in that regards. But the fan community isn't completely blameless either. Don't jump the gun if you don't have all the facts. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

>>4174188
I didn't want to watch Kizuna Ai either. I was so fucking happy when the floodgates opened and I finally had some choice.

>>4174130
What's DMM?

>>4120571
Hey!!! Meika!!

I don't know what the /jp/ threads were like but I remember people responding negatively to me being into Omesis because they didn't think they looked fuckable enough or something.

Big surprise, all of them went on to become Hololive fans.