/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

he is a whore

>>41517907

>>41521155
Nothing new

The half year has never been as important as the year anniv and barely anyone celebrates half years in Holo
Who cares

>>41521155
too busy fucking Kronii

>>41521352
No holo has ever missed an anniversary stream, my dude. It's a big deal.

Maybe management will be more careful about who they hire now.

>>41521352
>barely anyone celebrates half years in Holo
hahahahaha what a fucking cope

>>41521461
Laplus...

>>41521155
They're doing the same thing they did to Coco, they're gonna make his life in HolostarsEN so miserable that he'll want to quit.

>>41521461
lapuchan...

>>41521155
Vesper and Altare hate each other. It's common knowledge at this point.

>>41521849
>Build a house of cards despite everybody telling you its a bad idea and a waste of time
>Pull out one of the supports because you don't like its tone
>It all tumbles down

Bravo Cover, you succeeded where even the unicorns could not. You killed StarsEN on your own.

>>41521155
He's a lazy menhera bitch is my rrat

>>41522224
>>41521849
>make hololive just not fun in general on the internet
>act surprised when nijisanji is overtaking them
Ruh roh SUCK IT

why are they even celebrating half year?

sounds like a participation award celebration

>>41521155
Vesper is getting Coco'd. They're waiting until he leaves Japan to graduate him because they don't want him to burn down the home office.

Getting into hololive was just a bit that he took too far. He wants his old life back

>>41521950
Gura x Ame "Fuck off!"moment but with Twinks. Homos can be just as emotional as the girl's it seems.

>>41521155
He's going to join the girls branch, he's obsessed with Kronii.

>>41522574
source: the voices in ur head

>>41522574
And yet you'll still have people calling others schizos for calling it up until he announced his graduation formally. I really do believe he's just not a good fit for what Hololive expects out of their homos.

I don't watch them lol why do you people care what they do or don't do.

>>41522531
Yeah man it's weird like l dunno what it is with Holostars

Ok this is actually annoying.
Missing the first full tempus collab and 6 months anniversary? Like, get your life together.

>>41522999
Myth had to go through growing pains and lack of support for years and found their own success while Tempus can't even hold it together in six months with management and other girls helping them

Now this is interesting. I wonder if they're gonna acknowledge it at all on stream, cus you know there's gonna be a decent amount of spam about it in chat, which evidently makes blue boy see red.

>>41522999
Yeah really weird. Who would do such thing?

>>41521155
>look at replies
>look at QRTs
>It’s all women
>Literally only women are complaining
He will keep doing this until his men to women ratio goes up to 90%.
Vesper I kneel. He’s going to be the last brotuber.

>>41522999
>>41523503
nta but half-year anniversary is such a dumb thing to celebrate, it's embarassing. It screams that your group/existence only exists in a short time that you have to celebrate it 6 months later

vesper has no fans left

>>41523816
Yes he does. But they’re all male now. (based)

>>41523816
Tempus is fucked if Vesper leaves and everyone knows it.

>>41521155
This is what happens when management appoints a "leader" instead of letting them develop naturally.
Bae is also doing horribly as council's leader.

A while back I got shat on for predicting this man is all talk. All he ever did was talk about big plans and interesting things he's going to do but they never, ever arrived. Just lazy zatsus again and again, promising the earth. He's simply a talentless piece of shit that realized he's too old for this and I'm sure management are utterly useless, too. They're both as bad as each other imo and I just hope their ego clashing is enough to destroy whatever momentum is left in homoEN.

>>41524032
His final act as a bro-tuber is to kill that cancer that is Tempus... he truly was a bro all along...

>>41524040
The leader has always been Altare tho?
Vesper is only the wise

>>41521610
QRD?

>>41524040
>vesper
>leader
Kill yourself you shit stirrer dramafag. You don’t even know the first thing about tempus.

>>41524117
magni was a better choice

>>41521950
context?

>>41524040
But the appointed leader is Regis

>>41524222
altare is a succ up, magni is not

>>41522531
Axel wanted to do this.

>>41524040
Bae was never the leader of Council, anon. The head of it changed every single group collab so that retards like you didn't think any one of them were. I suppose it didn't work.

>>41523811
It's an excuse to do some merch/get outfits/etc. anon, it's not that deep.

>>41523811
Don't remember any JP having it. Just an EN thing.

>at least tempus stre--

i cant wait for vesper to jump off the holotanic and get poached by niji so we can get kino collabs with fulgur and doppio

>>41524440
>Bae was never the leader of Council, anon.

lol retard

>>41524669
he's gonna be the first male vshojo member.

>>41524669
Take rest of tempus as well

>>41524669
The only thing sinking is the quality of posts on here. You faggots are bigger drama stirrers than retards like Hero Hei, it's fucking embarassing.

>>41521155
What a fucking bitch. So much for the bromance then.

>>41524669
Offcolab with Aia Kino

>>41521461
In just one year hololive talents supposedly went on radio silent health breaks because of tummy hort, back hort, heart hort, phone hort, body hort, and brain hort. Vesper seems to have gotten into another fight with management so we are about to see anxiety hort added to the list of health breaks.

>>41524672
I accept your concession.

>>41524859
it's a gossip bait thread, what exactly are you expecting

>>41524669
he sucks at collabs & muh social battery hort
hes only good with kronii

>>41524732
Lack of information about Zen

>>41524945
These threads to die or get purged.

>>41525010
fulgur could squeeze blood out of an introverted stone so it's daijobu

>>41524413
ye, but its known that axel is a dumbdumb

>>41524440
No, Bae is the actual designated leader of Council.
The council meeting on everyone’s channel with a different head for each collab was a nice skit, but Bae is still the leader. It’s literally in her bio
>The Gods appointed her Chairperson of the Council

>>41521155
EN3 died for these unprofessional divas...

>>41525215
The gods got canned anyway, fuck Omega.

>>41521155
It's not his choice, management and the others are avoiding him because of his anger issues.

>>41522375
>NijiEN's medians have been dropping
>"Overtaking them"
Roru roru rumao

>>41525688
You meant he went menhera and ditched his friends

>>41524117
>wise

>>41525698
>said "nijisanji"
>faggot tries to deflect to "nijien"
No faggot, Anycolor as a whole is overtaking Cover because it's a poorly managed piece of shit with boomer japanese parasite managers while Anycolor is run by ruthless chinese people who will do anything and eat anything for a dollar.

>>41521155
>get in some disagreements with management, an entity which is KNOWN for operating in wasteful and frustrating ways
>accidentally piss off a higher up over some culture difference nonsense
>they decide to cut the nose off to spite the face
>suspend a new and fledgling talent during their period of initial subscriber growth
>come back to reduced numbers and memberships
>all of this comes from a chain of self-imposed management decisions that could've totally been avoided
If I was Vesper I would be leaving too, Cover corp. is beyond retarded.

>>41526147
>come back to reduced numbers and memberships
He was actually declining BEFORE his suspension, had a temporary buff after he got back.

>>41521155
Don't care but I hope he graduates

>>41521155
Just like most people here, he is off his meds

>>41526272
No shit, it's all downhill after the debuts and will keep being the case as long as everybody who ends up in Hololive sandbags the job (so forever)

>>41521155
a legit freak lmao

>>41523405
This is what good, fine shitposting looks like, very good job anon.

>>41524212
No one does

>>41521155
Did this fag really avoid getting terminated just to graduate anyway? Over a little argument with management? Did they hire actual children?

>>41526272
He doesn’t do interesting streams anymore.
Even ALTARE is pulling off bits recently that was Vespers wheelhouse.

>>41521155
That's two strikes. I'm not un-membering him now because there's a chance that it really is out of his control.
I skipped the burger stream because of the chewing noises, did he try to communicate anything why he's missing this stream?

>>41526970
>did he try to communicate
no

>>41526970
Didn't mention the anni stream at all

>>41521352
He missed the only all Tempus collab, he will miss this. He seriously needs to get his shit together.

No girls on the collab? Not a priority for Vesper, simple as.

>>41526858
they hired an impulsive oldfag autist who wants to have his cake and eat it too without realizing just how stubborn they get

>>41527669
Everyone was memeing Kronii into being a tranny but nobody realized it was Vesper, he wanted to join Hololive which is why all of his collabs are with them and she finally decided to transition.

>>41521155
niji's managers are better than holo's
t.axel

>>41527931
Tell us something we don't know

>>41524355
none, it's a schizo rrat

>>41527931
Holo mario kart better than niji mahjong
T. Chinman

>>41521155
he's off getting blackout drunk in a series of bars somewhere in tokyo. Even he doesn't know where he is. You'll find out next stream where he talks about waking up in the middle of the road next to some rural village after getting into a fight

He's fucking Kronii

Fauna was PRANKED

>>41528246
Hes a lazy cunt and she isn't in Japan. He needs to stop acting like a fucking woman already and do his fucking job.
He already got a second chance already and hes pissing it away. Fucking waste

>>41527931
so indogs pajeets > burgers huh

>>41526885
Altare? Pulling interesting stream?
LMAO

>>41528195
>mario kart
>mahjong
>comparing these two
he's not wrong

>>41521352
but they sell merch

>>41521461
didn't Cover miss Subaru's anniversary 2 years ago?

>>41527367
not a word

>>41521849
His own fault. He was never made for the corporate life, especially if he has to answer to incompetent people above him.

>>41528319
Why the fuck is he in Japan? lol

>>41528850
Based.

>>41528908
For six months. To sightsee? Certainly not streaming.

>>41528908
To play golf with yagoo and then immediately graduate.

>>41529126
Only when he hits 1million subs and considering how its looking. He aint ever getting that game of golf at this rate

>>41521849
I believe this, they probably cut his chance to renew his contract after the suspension and he met them in Japan, and he's just stopped giving a fuck because of it, the other day he joked about "doing solo collabs for 2 months" which sounds like a cry for help.

>>41528395
Nobody in HoloEN management is a burger lmao
They're all seadog bilinguals or stodgy Japs, only Axel gets away with shit because he's fucking his manager.

>>41521849
i believe this rrat

>>41529182
Why did Vesper make a joke about doing solo collabs for 2 months? He just missed the full Tempus collab and already knew he was going to miss the anniversary collab.

>>41530962
He wasn't joking. He just laughed when he said it. Slight difference.

>>41521155
>Vesper sees Tempus and EN on the way out.
>Goes out in a blaze of glory
pretty based ngl

>>41521461
Almost no holo has had half year "anniversaries" so it's not a big deal.

>>41534457
>>41522999
>>41523503

>>41534677
>EN

>>41534797
Now say that without crying sister

If the only somewhat popular member of Tempus bails the branch is actually doomed.

>>41534890
Already did. You're crying.

>>41521155

The absolute only reason I will accept for him not being here is that he's heading home and his flight was during this time and it was literally the only time the rest of the guys were able to get together.

Beyond that, I think it's BS for him to not be here and will personally stop supporting him, especially if he tries to pull the same "I have anxiety" excuse he did with the full Tempus collab. If you're too anxious to stream with others, you're too anxious to stream to 1k+ people.

No Vesper means only one thing, he went off his genmates during a drunk discord call.

He probably:
- called Altare a dog eater
- Magni a femboy fucker
- Axel a dumb, chink himbo
- Hakka a taco snorting Spic
- Flay a gay bottom bitch
- Bettel a manwhore
- And Shinri a cool dude.

Also he had sex with Kronii while Mumei watched.

>>41535087
Oh. I am crying. From laughter.

>>41536706
Sounds like the most based vtuber hololive will ever know. The only thing left is fucking mori while calling her a wigger

If I recall correctly, Vesper has stated that he is scared to death of handcams.

>>41528908
3d

>>41536971
Connor already did that

>>41524355
they hate each other

>>41529182
Vesper could have pissed off management and received a 2 month collab ban.

>>41539570
What type of collab ban would magically allow him to do Monopoly one?

>>41540309
A collab ban because of the monopoly stream

>>41537064
He did them with Magni

>>41540390
People will say that joke was not dissimilar to the one Aruran made, but honestly it was more graphic and out of nowhere too. Nobody in the stream seemed to mind but potentially management did especially considering he was already on thin ice after the suspension. I can honestly believe that some kind of second soft suspension is the reason. Also the solo content for two months comment would make sense.

>>41528908
To burn Cover HQ down in case he gets fired

>>41541658
What joke?

>>41542025
>I would rather cut my dick off and throw it in the long grass
To Kronii when she offered him a trade in monopoly

>>41542025
He said he'd cut his dick off if he lost to kronii. I think he just wanted an excuse to talk about his dick with girls present and thats the best he could come up with.

>>41542144
I can see how that is similar to what pizza dad said. Hopefully, that didn't get him in any trouble.

>>41542277
I am an EOP so I am relying on translated clips, but he only said he cut "it" off and he only said it at all because Matsuri brought the topic up in the first place and forced the issue, Vesper just went there with no real reason other than he thought it would be funny, not really the same thing.

>>41542212
He means he's going to mating press kronii until his dick falls off.

>>41542277
Hopefully It did, fuck you! >:)

>>41528195
Yeah but Niji Koshien is bigger than the Hololive sports fes, summer fes, and mario kart combined.

He's too busy riding my dick in a seedy love hotel. I'm just out here drinking some OJ to get my vitamin C levels up before I get back to pounding him, later guys.

>>41542144
I'd ban him just for thinking any zoomers watching would get that reference 30 years after the fact.

>>41523816
Vesper had thousands of viewers on his random audio-only hamburger eating stream today.

>>41521849
I've been encouraging him to return to orc. Genuinely the only reason he's sticking around is because he doesn't want to disappoint his viewers by graduating, but he's absolutely clocked the fuck out otherwise

>>41547688
those were burger fans

>>41548092
>Genuinely the only reason he's sticking around is because
he made $600 eating burgers for an hour and dipping

https://streamable.com/2b22hj
https://streamable.com/shzdid
From Axel's membership stream from a few days ago

>>41552543
lmao

>>41552543
I have his fucking membership but I never get to watching his membership streams.

Isn't vesper still doing his D&D thing?
What are you guys talking about

>>41548092
I see, so being an Indie is a thousand times better than a corporate virtual slave

>>41552543
he called management niggers again...

>>41552543
I don't care how incompetent management is, losing your temper and getting into screaming matches with your bosses is stupid and unseemly.

>>41521155
Its over isn't it

>>41553828
I don't particularly give a fuck about tempus, but that Vesper guy is 100% correct in lashing out at management because everyone else just stands there and takes their fax machine bullshit. There's incompetence and then there's straight up sabotage and malice. EN management has proven time and time again they are the latter, not the former. There's being a clumsy idiot manager or staff member, and then there's actively being a piece of shit on purpose to everyone in EN to the point where motivation is entirely drained and someone gets so pissed off they don't even feel scared about getting fired. If everyone in EN collectively did that, they'd get staff and management that gives a fuck because Cover wouldn't be able to suspend both the male and female branches at the same time.

Always remember that Cover is fucking trash, the people enjoy the streamers, not the company. Cover has done nothing for anyone, and when they do, it's less than the minimum and they never EVER learn from their mistakes and just toss everything under the rug. I hope this vesper dude keeps shitting on them.

Realistically if Tempus were to announce a graduation before the six month mark, how long would it take for this board to become usable again? Three days? A week?

>>41554250
>I hope this vesper dude keeps shitting on them
I do too. Seeing a Homo getting the Stalin Special would be better than a white Christmas.

>>41554250
Tempus literally gets all the shilling tho? What the fuck are they complaining about?

>>41554344
week minimum unless there's some other major yab that happens with a Holo girl.

>>41554456
they get shilling, not support
cover are all like 'hey guys go watch the tempus streams!' but the management do them no favors and in vesper's case actively fuck up by not getting perms they ask for

>>41554456
Hey were gonna shill for you but in exchange you have to do everything we say and if you disagree were gonna suspend you publicly.

Hello, male vtubers are a mistake and I'm laughing at /MANS/ sissies.

>>41554584
Yes, That's called having a job.

>>41554643
Thats called being a cuck. if management wants to be retards they can pay the price and damage there reputation, vesper will do just fine as an indie. obviously not to the same extent as having the hololive brand but when cover isnt jewing your earnings and you have a loyal fanbase that doesnt give a shit about brand names you can go pretty far

>>41554250
>how do you do fellow /vt/ sisters
>t.vesper
fly home and take your meds bro

>>41521849
Thank god

>>41554817
Sounds like a good deal then. I wish Vesper Noir a merry and expedient graduation so that he can follow his dreams and pursue a relationship with Kronii at his liesure. Au revoir!

>>41554952
>Kronii and Vesper gets to be the unhinged version of Pat and Paige

>>41554250
The girls had to dealt with this shit for years. Vesper might be one of the oldest members in Holopro and a dude and here he is throwing bitch fits and skipping important collabs after just 6 months. This makes him look like a spoiled manchild and it's even worse when he's showing less professionalism than a bunch of autistic women, despite being worth way less than them.

>>41555148
ah yes just lay down and take it like a good little goy, fuck off jew

>>41555285
You're right, he should totally lay into his manager again, but even harder next time. Call him a slant-eyed nigger, that will really show him.

>>41555148
That’s the thing. Yagoo wants to run the boys like perfect idols that sing, dance and shill merch but fails to realize the modern western male doesn’t fit within the mold.

>>41554563
>song on debut paid for by management
>debut watchalong organised by management
>collabs with whatever Twitch shitter they want rubber stamped while girls have to wait months for approval to collab with people who have already worked with JP
>Management wanting to fund a project for Axel because he got okay numbers on a 9 person cover
>EN twitter tweeting every shit they take
>Collab ban shortened due to “popular demand”

Vesper is just not cutout to be an Idol I really think he should just graduate and let Tempus2 mesh with the ogs

>>41555481
The rest of Tempus managed to not be suspended. Astel once “joked” about bringing a baseball bat to the office with no punishment. Maybe your epic based brotubers is actually just a whiny bitch.

>>41555481
This is exactly it, any made man from the west wont put up with the japanese work culture. it might work on the women and the wagies but for someone who was as well off as vesper there gonna have major conflicting ideologies. doesn't help they use japanese managers who only have to deal with the meek men of japan who have been indoctrinated by the work culture there

>>41555009
>the unhinged version of Pat and Paige

>>41555638
Kek Vesties are truly pathetic and twice as parasocial as any fan of the girls.
>h-he's too based for these nips!
Anon the dude skipped the collabs because muh anxiety meds, he makes some of the laziest content in the entire company especially when you think about someone like Ame with no background in tech constantly doing creatividad projects. Face it, he's a spoiled whiney manchild which is why he's still single at his age and working as an anime boy on the internet. And somewhat he's even unable to do that correctly.

>>41554817
Vesper already did really well as an indie. Won't roommatepost about it, but most people Cover hires were working for years before Cover picked them up. I was a fan of his before he joined Holostars, and Vesper's pre-Holo persona only started streaming in 2021.

>>41555806
>laziest content
so this is why you guys push vesperonii huh?

>>41555868
I sure as hell don't, literally only Twitter trannies want the homos to collab with the girls. And this dude leeching from Kronii after the shitshow that happened instead of telling her to fuck off is yet another proof of him being a retarded manchild.

>>41555806
>he believes the anxiety meds story
lol
also you ltiterally just proved cover are a bunch of incomptent fucks when ame basically has been the most creative content from cover in years, she probably has a manager who actually realizes her ideas are actually good and is willing to let her do her own thing, unlike all the other members complain when there projects/ideas get shutdown,
Also if you payed attention you would know he is trying to hide his job from his family, probably because he knows it cringe and embarrassing, but money is money. You can keep trying to suck covers micro dick if you would like but after years of seeing all the members complain about management its nice to see someone finally not putting up with there bullshit.

>>41521155
His main goal of joining hololive is to fuck Kronii. He achieved his goal, no reason to waste time with his genmates

>/MANS/ fujos seething in rage over Vesper not joining collabs and giving fuel to their yaoi fantasies
You love to see it.

>>41555982
Ogey. Hope he keeps up the good fight, maybe managemenst will finally get their shit together and realize male vtubers are all subhumans and trash the entire branch lmao.

>>41556056
The hate-sex would be something glorious.

>>41556262
Yes i hope so to, let covers reputation fall to the floor. They chose to enter the western market and now they can see the price for trying to carry over there shit ideals.

>>41554250
>but that Vesper guy is 100% correct in lashing out at management
There's a hierarchy in every company. Job interviews are created to weed out people like him

>>41556338
You're talking like he's some kind Marine or Suisei level member of Holopro. You are gravely overestimating the impact even a two sentence tweet announcing his termination would cause.

>>41521155
He'll do a 1-on-1 collab with Kronii this week.

>>41556407
Seems like EN management is just flat out retarded then

>>41556426
Obviously the Japanese side wont care, which isnt important since there opinion isnt important. im specifically talking about the western reaction.

>>41556407
>Job interviews are created to weed out people like him
people only start hating on management once they are 6 months in the job anon....

>>41556488
Hasn't that been obvious for over a year?

>>41556509
You can hate management, but lashing out against them is never the solution.
You don't just show up in front of your superior, insult him and then expect to keep your job

>>41556460
They already collabed last night on her bed

>>41556503
The Western side will pretend to care and then move onto the next thing to get outraged over. Your boy is not nearly as special and influential as you think he is, nor will Gaijin care as much as you imagine in your head. There'd be plenty of angry tweets and a big reddit thread, but it would all blow over in two weeks maximum, with Cover no worse for wear.

>>41556604
All it takes is one domino to fall, once people see that cover is a shit company to work for alternatives will start looking better, causing them to grow. it may even lead to new companies being formed. I think the last thing someone like you wants is more people supporting companies like phase connect/vshojo

>>41556604
Cover shat themselves to death and died because Kronii received mild feedback from a couple of her fans that didnt like her collabing with men. I dont think they'd hold up against the twitter tranny horde as well as you think

>>41556703
>>41556710
And then Katniss Evergreen will draw her bowstring, let loose a mighty arrow, suspending Yagoo on the wall by his blazer as the people rejoice.

My rrat is Japanese racism.
He's black, so Japanese management don't like him anyway.
My rrat is that he would have gotten a lighter punishment if he was white or asian

>>41556869
That explains so much. He's an got an actual chimp brain and can't help himself from going OOGA BOOGA whenever things go poorly.

soon bros we are going home.

>>41556798
Listen im not even a vestie or even really big on tempus, infact i havent even checked the new gen out at all, im just sick of management shooting themself in the foot, vshojo gained alot of eyes after kson and nazuna joined. if cover keeps fucking up and allowing competitors like nijisanjii and vshojo to capitalize and grow were gonna have issues. not so much nijisanji im indifferent to them but the last thing i wanna see is fucking vshojo dominating the west

>>41521155
Management hates him for not playing FF14. How did he get through the auditions? He was asked about playing FF14 and he said 'yes' and said something about 'playing right from the beta' and Omega immediately hired him

why did the "vesper is black" rrat start picking up steam again?

>>41556869
>DND guy
>goes hiking
>cycling
>tea autism
>builds computers
100% not black

>>41556971
Anon Tempiss is literally the biggest proof that management is retarded and the main reason why HoloEN is currently doing so poorly. The branch absolutely needed a new gen instread management shat out 8 new dudes that no one asked for.
But your right, if he gradyates maybe management will finally fix their shit and stop investing on dead branch while trying to appeal to nijisisters.

>>41556971
Management allowing one of their most junior talents to scream at them and throw hissy fits does nothing for Hololive.

>>41521849
I believe this rrat

>>41553828
"Parents fighting" doesn't it seem more like he fought with altare

>>41557135
Neither does debuting males or squandering dozen of projects, months of calender space while not even bothering to make EN channel content. The management team has scuttled millions in potential growth through laziness or malice. If self immolating tempiss gets a staff shake up done that's the only thing of value they would ever produce.

>>41556990
XIV is possibly the most boring MMO to watch someone play. I'd rather watch someone do EVE paperwork. That said it wouldn't surprise me if management unironically wants to push XIV as a Tempus collab game because that's a bad enough idea to be a Cover idea.
>>41557237
Altare is Omega, keep up on your rrats.

>>41557237
There's much more evidence to suggest conflicts with management is what's actually going on.

>>41557135
once again its this line of thinking that allowed vshojo to grow so much, they literally used talent freedom as a marketing point. Cover needs to loosen there grip the western talents, not to the same extent of letting them talking about how hard they got piped once or streaming with there boyfriends and flirting on stream with them but at least allowing them to have a bit more control over how they wanna run things.

>>41557061
>that no one asked for
False! Lots of people asked for them, such as people on twitter who don't watch streams, and people who only watch other companies, and the people who hang out on discord with cover's extremely credulous leddit mod

>>41556503
Lol even kiara or mori would have more impact on graduation than him

>>41557398
Performing the workplace equivalent of throwing soup cans at Van Goh's artwork to stop Global Warming is not conducive to your dreams of a more free Hololive.

a three member group of EN3 would have been more impactful than 8 fucking faggots that noone wanted. what a fucking waste

>>41556971
>>41557398
tbf arent three of vshoujos talents dominating rn? ironmouse, vei and pinkcat. last time i looked three of them had consistent 10k streams? and mouse is basically everywhere and knows everyone now.

>>41557314
But they used to talk about each other a lot though. About how they respect each other and they are each other's oshi. You don't really see that anymore recently. Along with his, iirc, mention that magni is his favourite member from tempus even though it's implied a lot that it was altare in the past is kind of weird isn't it

>>41557398
>>41557703
Vshojo peaked a year ago and have been in decline ever since. Veibae is down 22%, Ironmouse 35%, Nyanners 42%
This isn't unique to them, though, the entire EN vtuber scene is the same way, despite the JP side being stronger than ever. I don't think you can attribute this to what any one company is or isn't doing, the hype is just gone in general

>>41557703
Yes and there only gonna continue to grow, while cover has been stagnating in the west, even there golden girl gura hardly streams. Its obvious to anyone with higher then room temperature IQ that covers ideologies dont mix with the west. I dont want cover to go full woke but they need to find a middle ground to appease the west while still not becoming vshojo. Once again the japanese side has nothing to do with this, infact as far as i know there doing better then ever which is fine but i want more western vchuubas who dont just talk about cock cum and piss 24/7

>>41557860
While this is true to an extent if every big boom in the industry supports vshojo more while covers big booms become smaller and smaller you can see where the issues may arise.

>>41557986
Anon, again, see >>41557860
They're not "continuing to grow", they've been shrinking for a year

>>41558059
It's complicated to compare them to the other big groups since twitch and youtube numbers aren't equivalent, but I don't think they've ever been growing faster than holoEN or even NijiEN at any point, and they're reclining faster

>>41557860
>>41558144
actually checked it out and it doesn't look that bad besides less streams vei is stil getting high numbers, mouse is still a 8-10k streamers and streams everyday, pinkcat fell off though with a 6k average

>>41558291
forgot the pic

>>41541658
Magni baked a cock shaped cookie on hand cam during an offcollab and ate it on stream.

>>41558291
They're not bad numbers, but they're far from their peak and are trending downwards. In a year Mouse has gone from 12.5K to 8.5K, veibae from 12K to 9.5K, pink cat from 11K to 6.6K average
And again, every EN vtuber group is in the same situation. HoloEN are down 30% from their 2022 peak, NijiEN are down 47%. It's grim for everyone and it's disingenuous to point to any one company and say it's because of something they're doing

Im just gonna say this. Cover management has shown time and time again to be extremely controlling/incompetent and while this may work for the jp side its only hurting there western numbers. Vesper may have overdone it but at the end of the day he probably has the same views as most of the west, if cover wants to continue releasing new en gens that are less popular the the previous gen they can. I just pray vshojo doesnt poach more talents that get sick of en management.

>>41558573
>It's grim for everyone and it's disingenuous to point to any one company and say it's because of something they're doing
except that it's really easy to see what HoloEN is doing wrong tho. I don't know about the other companies but really HoloEN is barely giving a fuck, they lost their single biggest talent and there is barely any event or collab with more than 3 people going on.
On top of that management is releasing homoshits instead of EN3 making things even worse.

>>41558577
>poach
>more
They grabbed someone who was already on her way out, and some roadkill that intentionally walked in front of an 18,000,000 wheeler truck. They didn't poach anything.

>>41556971
Vshojo dominate the west already.
Jp is next

>>41558684
I completely agree that the way their management is running things is incredibly retarded, but on balance you can't actually prove it had any negative effect, because everyone else fell by the same amount or more
Either there's a general industry trend downward or (and honestly this is just as likely) every other group is even more retarded somehow

>>41521155
Never trusted this guy.
He seems to be like one of those chill and cool dudes, but then one day he comes to work with a katana because "he felt like it", starts doing some weird movements, cuts his desk in half and leaves. Then you learn he was arrested because he tried to buy a coffee with some monopoly money and went apeshit when they didn't want to accept it.
Tldr, you can feel he's always one step from snapping. Who the fuck buys a spear, anyway?

>>41558577
> Mel invited Kson for whole year.
> Kson always evade or politely decline.
> Rushia was brutally terminated.
> Kson suddenly decide join Vshojo.
> She is grooming Akari RM now

She want to create Outer Heaven for Vtuber and /vt/ don't believe me

>>41558706
the only reason coco walked is because of how shit management was, they literally gave a chinese anti mod. They also probably kept her under heavy lock and key instead of trying to deal with the Chinese antis. And yes im aware what rushia did was her own fault but she was l the top super chatter earner, and instead of monitoring her and making sure she doesnt do anything stupid they let her leak shit to a drama tuber, obviously i can only blame management so much on this one but seriously how do you manage to let your golden goose self destruct like that.

>>41558941
Let me correct this sir.
>they literally gave a chinese anti mod
It's human error and understandable.
>Coco must unban her's gachikois and ban chink mod all by herself alone without any help.

This is not shit but totally malice toward Coco.

>>41558861
Or maybe western Vtubing IS HoloEN considering the 2020 craze was all started by them and every other competitor has as a slogan "we are Hololive but with muh talent freedom!", with HoloEN in such a bad state everyone else took a hit because they can't break into the mainstream.
NijiEN is an exception because they might as well be a Chinese branch, and for some reason Chinese fujos got tired of them.

>>41558941
>how do you manage to let your golden goose self destruct like that.
It's not just a JP and EN problem
ID is also like that (Ollie's downfall), i won't let that happen to Kobo too.
Cover really need standard operating procedure (SOP) for handling 'special needs' talents. HoloEN is somewhat lucky because their top girl Gura is relatively mature
t. Just a passing by indo

>>41559218
what happened to ollie?

>>41556604
lmao trashing your global market, which was the target of EN in the first place is apparently ok I guess

stay out of business, kid

>>41559246
only things i can think of was the rant where she went off on her Indonesian fans cause they asked to speak less english, and the large amount of male collabs

>>41559246
Ollie got used up like the village bicycle from the twitch crowd and thrown away when she stopped bringing them any value.

>>41559454
that rant was based though
>>41559477
probably, doesn't help that she likes apex which /vt/ hates watching

>>41559218
gura, relatively mature

doesnt show up to work

>>41559218
Gura is a memer. She herself is not a meme. Just a drunk being foolish. All the other popular holos are mental, they are the meme. In old words they are lolcows. What makes gura special is that she was so engulfed in memes that she dominated english vtubing.

>>41559345
They trashing it by refusing to debut EN3 instead throwing more homos, hoping one of them is gonna be new Vox. Vesper is irrelevant in grand scheme of things. They could terminate his ass and as long as they announce EN3 soon after people will forget about him.

>>41557300
Omega already tried and failed with the girls so now he's going to try again with Tempus after seeing how Fubuki and Iroha can make it work. That's the real reason both male gens are only 4 people, because that's the group size.

you guys know en3 will be mori to maybe bae level right so around 3-6k a couple of weeks after debut and thats after they decide if they want to do male and nijisanji/vshojo collabs

>>41556869
>he would have gotten a lighter punishment if he was lighter
Checks out

>>41557495
The fuck do you mean even kiara and Mori. They helped build EN vtubing vs some random nigger with 200k subs that seen around for 6 months

>>41559246
Sorry for my ESL-ness
3 things happened to her
>Connor and grifters arc
This caused her hated by the unicorns and trash taste antis, she's probably brainwashed by Mori/EN girls too into 'against the idol culture' mindset. The homo-friendly culture in HoloID didn't originated from Ollie, it's actually from Risu and Iofi. But Risu and Iofi never said anything akin to 'against the idol culture' mindset like some EN girls.
>Dead Meme Spammers arc
She's hated by people who disagree with her rants because they think it showed that she's privileged (i think everyone agrees that the spammers were annoying and if management intervened by moderating her chats more strictly, she wouldn't have to deal with them on her own)
>Accidental face reveal arc
Hoaxes and slanders from kikebook which reached normies ears. Also normies didn't agree with her rants too. This caused her having more antis.

>>41559739
This, pretty much won't care about his graduation and will be instead hyped for EN3. And the majorioty of hololive fan will be the same. Most of them don't even know how many stars graduated and don't care much about it, will be absolutly the same for tempiss.

>>41558573
>It's grim for everyone and it's disingenuous to point to any one company and say it's because of something they're doing
NTA but the companies must've noticed the hype is dying down and I would therefore expect from them to do things to mitigate that. If all 3 are shrinking, it means all 3 failed to take proper measures to ensure more growth. As I only watch Holo, I can only comment on the HoloEN handling regarding this matter, which has been abysmal. Had they analyzed their audience and the situation in the west correctly while also replacing their incompetent EN managers, perhaps they could have been reclining less or even inclining. Imagine a world where that happens, and while Niji and Vshojo are down 30-40%, Holo was up even by 10%. That's what it would mean to be, consistently, the top Western vtubing agency. Instead, we get whatever this shitshow going on is.

>>41560115
If the Homo-friendly culture came from Risu and Iofi, why are you putting the blame on the EN girls when they don't even interact much?

>>41560471
He means specifically for the ID branch.

>>41560611
EN girls never said anything against idol culture either. Before you mention Kronii, I have to remind you Ollie existed before her.

>half-year anniversary
Who the frick cares?

>>41560801
Apparently his entire branch who showed up and management

>>41560898
Put your tampon back in becky you're free bleeding all over the place.

>>41560898
>management
shoul have gone to vespers hotel room and dragged him to the offcolab with axel if they cared so much kek

>>41560801
>Misses collab with the newcomers, they had to change games last minute
>Misses 1/2 year anniversary which was offcolab
What's next?

>>41550011
Burger-fans or "Burger (Ham)" fans?

>>41521155
I wouldn't stand working with homossexuals either, good for him

>>41555410
Is there any actual proof he went off at his manager? People assume this but he seemed to be on pretty good terms before this.
Could be anyone. Could be altsre for all we know.

>>41521155
He and Gura are actually planning a big collab together. No, it's not a coincidence

Is /vt/ now contrarian enough to think shitting on management is not justified?

>>41561779
We don't know who it was he went off on. But, from what he said on his return steam, he made it pretty clear that he lost his temper on SOMEONE.

>>41558928
OK. Was wondering if I'd missed something.
So it could be anyone but everyone's parroting that it was the manager.
Considering the example axel used here
>>41552543
about a hypothetical fight between parents I wonder if it was not between vesper and altare?

I've not been keeping up, but whatever happened to vesper's "learn nip via senpai tweets"?
Did he ever say if/when he'd ever continue that? Or has he not mentioned it?
The answer would be rather telling I think. His manager was instrumental to that and did a lot of work for that to happen with the translations and even selecting appropriate tweets, which he seemed to be thankful for hence my saying he seemed to be on good terms with his manager.

>>41562408
The last time he mentioned his manager it was (again) about tweeting more, which he seem to agree with. He does seem to be in good terms with his manager. But never confuse their personal managers with the higher ups.
There were a few cases of conflict with personal managers (Mel), but most of the talents both live and stars have a good relationship with their personal managers.
And it makes sense, their job is to assist you and help you push your projects and convince the higher ups. They are SUPPOSED to be on your side in any kind of negotiation.

Vesper having a good manager and being in a beef with higher management is not a contradiction.

>>41554344
probably less than a few days because Cover would probably drop JP7 or ID4 early to distract everyone.

>>41563354
JP7 in time for them commenting on HoloFes4

Don't worry bros he's fine, just learning how to sing ahah

>>41556604
A ton of people would celebrate him getting canned because it would mean one more step towards HomoEN being eradicated.

>>41523405
>and lack of support for years

>>41554344
Less than a week because Cover always tries to cover up some shitshow with a new gen. Just look how they brute force debut Tempus when Sana announced graduated despite the guys wanting to delay it out of respect to her.

>>41554250
Anon even if you are right and Vesper has good reasons for fighting with management they aren't going to listen to an employee. Cover took the side of the manager that was stalking Mel and they only got rid of the manager when she hired a lawyer. Japanese corporations have such a rigid hierarchy they would rather burn down the entire EN branch than replace a few managers.

>>41524207
vespers a nutcase

>>41529055
Is that the max length you get as a tourist? That's a long ass time.
And it's not like he really knows anyone there or speaks the language.

>>41552543
>https://streamable.com/2b22hj
Wow, did everyone in the management was like, "Yeah his rigging makes him look like a fucking muppet, let's roll with it !" and were expecting massive success ?
That's where the nijisanji usual posture of being stuck in stone while they're talking comes in handy. I can't handle all those fucking head movements from hololive.

>>41568385
Tempus was probably rushed to capitalize on the rush of tourists that Sana’s graduation brought. Even Axel is rigged weirdly for a Keiffy child.

>>41568539
> Sana died so the boys could live

Vesties actually seem like the worst fanbase and I can't tell if it's falseflaggers anymore. I don't think even Lucubs are at this level of "he does no wrong."

>>41534457
>>41521352
The first six months is the important one, no holos celebrate half year anniversaries after the first year… but the first 6 months is an important milestone, unlike the first 18 months or the first 30 months

>>41565729
>Cover took the side of the manager that was stalking Mel and they only got rid of the manager when she hired a lawyer.
Between this and someone the other day that Japan does not care about workplace misconduct; I was wondering is it actually possible that some segment of Cover's staff as well as the Hololive fanbase look down upon Mel for being the squeaky wheel and standing up for herself? I mean, she didn't go all out litigation on Cover but even doing what she did...would that be a step too far in the eyes of some who believe in suffering in silence to maintain monolithic uniformity?

>>41561019
god i wish i could go to his hotel room...

>>41569896
>Sana the lowest council member, didn't stream because back hort and dog hort
>Vesper the biggest Tempus member doesn't stream because can't be bothered and boy drama

>>41565729
What? That's not what happened. The TLDR of the events is basically
>Mel keeps getting called up by her manager for non work related meetings
>Mel complains to management
>Investigation happens and manager gets fired (this is the part that always somehow gets omitted or is misplaced in the timeline)
>Manager starts stalking Mel
>Mel complains again and asks Cover for assistance
>LOL, we already fired the guy. You're on your own kid.
>Mel gets a lawyer
>Turns out Cover is actually still liable to ensure the safety of the talent (duh!)
>Apology and Dogeza soon after.
Mel isn't poor by any stretch of the imagination, anyone who knows her roommate is aware of this. If Cover actually did take the managers side she would've left Cover period since she doesn't actually need the money.

>>41570169
meru...
she's 3rd in line for title of Daisenpai after roboco and Sora herself
scouted, asked to join, didn't audition
wasn't even meant to be in "gen1" cept chris was such a fuckup she was added to that group
incredibly sweet, inoffensive and wholesome whore
>whoresome
and yet all you fucking nobs can meme about is
>hurrrr manager wape!!!1
when at most it was harassment because the nip manager was the typical passsive aggressive modern japanese male incapable of actually physically overpowering a woman
meru..

>>41570976
The chain of events was far worse since Cover was taking the side of the manager until the police got involved.

>Mel's manager was finding excuses to keep her at the Cover office late into the night to creep on her
>After months of complaints upper management moved her manager to a different hololive member
>Mel started getting stalked and harassed by someone who knew her hololive schedule
>She had to cancel the 3D for her birthday stream
>Cover still wouldn't fire the guy
>Mel gets a lawyer involved and the police prove that the harassment is coming from the manager's work email account
>That manager finally gets fired and Cover updates their policies

Roomate? What do you mean?

>>41575815
Lying nijinigger

>>41561313
>drops a cover song on Altares Bday
It's all for the giga-bit

>>41577750
But what about now?

>>41575815
That's appalling

He's just one of those guys who hates authority. When my boss starts giving me shit IRL, I get annoyed because all hierarchies are fake, I can quit at a moment's notice and work for someone better. Same mindset

>>41582626
Shouldn’t have joined a corpo then

>>41575815
>That manager finally gets fired and Cover updates their policies
they did, but now multiple girls have male managers like Ame and Mumei with Henma.

>>41521352
Myth's half year was KINO
So was Lazulight's

>>41524222
The gen "leaders" are a meme position but even if they weren't, I wouldn't want a leader who complains about the work uniform.

>>41524355
Context: C'mon dude, we all saw the same dream.

>>41583323
Wouldn't it be crazy if we did though?

>>41580681
Have faith in the Bit-lord ye of little faith

>>41556558
You absolutely fucking can when you work a job where you aren't a disposable pawn.

>>41583941
Cover has shown that they do think as the streamers as disposable and replaceable. They 100% side with managers instead of the streamers. They let go of Coco, they fired Rushia (but this was due to NDA so whatever) and they don't particularly seem to give a fuck that Gura isn't streaming at all or that she has lost all motivation. The way they see it is as it's generally seen by successful companies: you don't wanna be here anymore? fuck off, there's thousands of people out there that will gladly take your place. Vesper isn't untouchable, none of them are. On any branch.

The same shit happens with video game studios that are accused of putting people through hardcore crunch time. You don't wanna crunch? fuck off, 1000+ applicants want your job anyway and we'll replace you within the hour. Keep in mind holostarEN auditions are still open, and they tweeted out a reminder of those auditions like two or three weeks before tempus 2, and tempus 2 was already picked out at least 5+ months BEFORE that tweet, meaning they are still looking for more guys to get into holostarsEN. Plus the JP side of holostars has also gone through ragequits and graduations. I admire Vesper for not being scared of losing what is otherwise an easy income job that can potentially be very fun as well, but he is by no means untouchable. The backlash Cover would receive for firing him would be minimal, they'd just bullshit corpo-talk their way into it being an amicable split. Then they'll throw in some mori+kronii+starsEN collabs so the twitter mob forgets and all will be forgiven.

>>41584466
CoverJP are ruthless as they should be.
CoverEN is just stupid.

>>41584466
Cover seems like that and not AnyColor, the corpo that has more streamers than some of their lower end vtubers have CCV?

>>41584466
take vesper's cock out of your mouth. this is pathetic. you're trying so hard to cover for an almost 40 year old grown ass adult who only cares about money.

>>41584466
>Cover has shown that they do think as the streamers as disposable and replaceable
Who is Coco's replacement? Who is Rushia's replacement? Who is Aloe's replacement? Who is Sana's replacement? If their talent is so disposable then why haven't they fired the ones who don't stream? Why don't talents get fired after they screw up? Why not just replace everyone that graduates with a different voice and pretend like nothing ever happened? They're supposed to be easy to swap, right? If they side with management over the talents, then why does Mel still have a job?
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Just because you get a ton of applicants doesn't mean that they're all good applicants. This isn't Nijisanji where they debut new talents every other week, Cover is very picky about who they hire, Nene had to audition 4 times for fucks sake.

Not surprising, Vesper has long talked about Northernlion being his biggest inspiration for streaming and that guy's content has similarly gone off the deep end the last few years

>>41585454
NL is still funny though

>>41585454
I dropped him when he started suckin Hassan's dick and streamed with AOC. No quarter for commies nor their enablers.

>>41585454
Haven't wat he'd him since around the time Kate got pregnant, tf happened?