/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>41055504
Based
Based
I kneel Ayame-sama

>>41055504
>"I don't understand, what did I do to make these people mad?"
Bullshit, she knows perfectly well why she has so many antis

>>41055589
She just doesn't give a shit. That's the best method.

>>41055504
Is this from her member stream earlier?

>>41055504
>please learn japanese before telling me that
It doesn't need a whole ass language to know if someone is a whore

>>41055853
Yes

>>41055504
Heh. Rentfree.

>>41055504
Holy based, can't wait to see all the seething retards in here.

>>41055504
OJOU AISHITE

highly based

>Describes /vt/ as sad people who need to do their jp reps
That's amazingly accurate.

>>41055504
She truly unironically hates everyone who is not Japanese doesn't she? Fucking based.

>>41055504
Ojou please stop… if I kneel any harder I may do permanent damage to my knees

>>41055504
Source?

>>41056408
From her latest membership stream.

>>41055504
You mean she's starting to notice? I guess that's some progress for /vt/ then

She's 100% right

Bad leaker BAD

You get bocked too

On one hand, based, but on the other hand Ayame you ignorant slut you jst acknowledged them and waved a red flag in front of them. Hope Ojou has some rather thick skin as I’m sure there will be a lot more of this coming her way now

>>41057060
Japs have been doing it to her for years, she'll be fine

>>41055504
I don’t see what this has to do with /vt/ unless you think shitposts about her are actually serious and not mostly jokes

Are we becoming rent free in Ayame's head

>>41055504
So she finally learned from some EN members, huh
I mean, she's not wrong, but this anon >>41055589 is also correct - don't act like you don't understand why.

>>41055504
She's always been based.

Holy fucking based! EOP deserve the rope!

>>41057060
She always rants about antis all the time, it's nothing new.

She's always been oversensitive.
>>41057125
She sees all the /vt/ "memes" when they get posted on twitter and in the youtube section.

>>41057125
Are all those comments on her videos or twitter with /vt/ slang supposed to be jokes too?

>>41057272
Well some of them will be you autistic fuckwit.

>>41055504
Based.

>>41055504
Who?

>>41057272
I don’t go on twitter so why should I know

>>41057199
>Learned from EN members
Dude are you unironically retarded? Did your brain just rot out from all the rrats?
Ayame never got another contract that the girls started getting starting from gen 3 when things became a bit more serious. She stayed with hololive without the pressure to put out X amount of content per week. People on this board are seething because a girl studied and lived her life didn't stream X number of hours that THEY think is appropriate for a hololive member.
You people are literally braindead. She is a part of a holo family and one of the earliest members so they wont fire her. She is not Sana the whore.
And no one is forcing anyone to donate or keep renewing their memberships to Ayame but they do it because they love her. Keep seething though.

>>41057272
Wow you are actually stupid. Congrats.

>>41057635
ok Ayame

>whore who never streams doesn't feel bad about never streaming and laughs at the people who get mad about her not streaming
Wow never seen that one before.
Sana, Gura, etc. are the same. They simply don't think they have any responsibility to give back.

>>41055504
same vibe to me

>>41056469
Timestamp?

How is this based, fucking people who don't even speak Japanese are living rent free in her head. lmao. She must have really had to search to find these comments.

>>41058090
So Ayame graduation this year and joining Vshojo in 2024?

>>41055504
Based, I love my Ojou

>>41058594
Well people still follow Rushia.

>>41055504
>I don't understand, what did I do to make these people mad?
Nothing. For months at a time.

>>41056469
You pay for membership? She rarely streams. Sucker.

>>41055504
>"It doesn't affect me much, but it makes me think 'please learn japanese before telling me that.'"
Been trying to mentally unpack this particular line...does she want her overseas antis to more directly attack in a way she can understand or is this some round-about JP way of saying 'fuck off'?

>>41055504
>playing the uwu I don't undastand why you don't wike me card
Pathetic just like her fans

>>41058019
>responsibility to give back
wow retards really believe in this shit huh? they dont owe you anything faggot. they are like street entertainers that make funny noises and sing songs and if you feel like it, you tip them, if not, then you can move along or keep listening for free. How autistic are you?
NOOOOOOOOOOOO SHE BECAME A VTUBER AND THAT MEANS WE OWN HER SOUL AND SHE HAS TO DO THINGS FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS!!!

>>41055504
>learn japanese before telling me that
this is proof that Ayame is totally a Japanese supremacist, i bet her family were from the military and one of those that survived the US occupation

>>41059285
Go back, leddit tourist

This actually got me wondering, has Ayame ever done a collab with a ID/EN member before? If not that...has she even ever had any meaningful interaction with a ID/EN member in some big group event before? I always knew her as the one who didn't stream, now I'm curious if she is one of the JP who gives the least fucks on engaging outside NihongoLand

>>41059614
>been on 4chan since 2008
>watched holoJP since gen 3
If I learned anything by being around all these years, is that the biggest newfags and tourists always call others newfags and tourists.
It is true. Vtubers don't really owe you anything. It is your own mental illness that makes you think otherwise.
>>41059643
She said years ago that she doesn't even really reach out to JP girls either.

>>41059643
She did one with Kiara from Kiara's Holotalk stream.

>>41055504
>learn japanese
no

>>41059768
>watched holoJP since gen 3
>has never heard poor kids like Marine and Kanata talk about how much they want to give back to their fans for their support

lol twitter tranny, go back

>>41055504
If she actually said this then I love Ayame now. Absolutely giga based

>weebs: westerns should fuck off from japanese :)
ojou: yeah
>weebs: :(

>>41055504
>I don't understand
i wonder

>L-Learn my dying language then you can say I'm a bad streamer!
yo dayo

>>41055504
>learn japanese
what is the point of learning a language that is only spoken in one country and has dying economy with no future?

>>41059910
>uses "lol" on 4chan unironically
>calls me a tranny and tells me to go back
Did you miss the part about the contract that started with gen 3? Ayame never jumped onto that and just remained a part of the family and a part time streamer. You mongoloids think that if someone becomes a vtuber he must dedicate his entire fucking life to it, no matter what is going on in their personal lives.
And btw, you are calling me a twitter tranny for not attacking a girl for absolutely no reason. Holy shit what a sad little faggot you are.
But I love it. I love that sad little pathetic fucks obsess over Ayame this much. Keep seething.

>>41059643
She even ignored an invitation from Coco (which was very much a hafu), to Collab in her Meme review, that alone spoke volumes for me.

>>41060387
I heckin love reddit and ayame too anon

>>41055738
yeah no shit given at all just talk about it on stream

>>41059768
Yes tourist, only ledditors use this "T-THEY DON'T OWE YOU ANYTHING" brainlet consoomer talking point to defend their daddy creators. The funny thing is that you actually try to pretend your thought is original.

>>41060387
I dont give a shit about ayame, I'm just laughing at your bullshit attempt to pretend you arent a newfag

>>41060422

>>41058586
Yea I really don’t get it. How hard is it just to ignore these people instead of giving them more to hate on?

So “rent free” is the new buzz word round here. I’m sick of you niggas

>>41060455
I mean theres nothing more reddit that obsessing over hololive in 2023. I barely watch any of these girls anymore. They are frankly boring as shit outside of big events.
Obsessed schizos are still clinging to a sinking ship and crying about innactive streamers kek. Nice fucking life.

>>41060602
If by new you mean 6 years old yeah

>>41060306
It allows you to consume media that hasn't been curated by certain cultural forces.

>>41057635
The problem is not even if she streams little or much; AZki streams like once a month and people love her while matsuri streams fairly enough and it's really hated.
It's more about how she only streams before and after big events to get maximum profit and always throws an excuse (either utterly retarded or pretty sad) but she always somehow recovers right on time for those big cash events.
Instead of acting smug about it she should realize her behavior is really, really scummy (and she knows, she's anything but retarded) even if it's just a coincidence (it isn't).

>>41060495
You are just mentally ill. In your own schizo mind, you have some super special connection with the streamer and she has to do EXTRA things for you, while you probably don't even buy merch, don't send supas and ride on gifted memberships. People like you are always like that.
>>41060527
Proof that I'm a newfag in the next life I assume? Let me guess, I'm not completely schizo about a life of a streamer so that is too "leddit" for you, right? It is unironically time to rope.

>chinks seething about japanese language
rumao

>>41060821
already proven by you not knowing about Marine, Kanata etc

>>41060820
No that's how schizo rationalise their hate.
No one gives a fuck about other streamers.

>>41059509
Ayame in shambles.

>>41055504
She says stuff like this all the time
She fantasizes about murdering antis in their sleep

>>41059643
A few years ago Ayame said the reason she doesn't collab often is because she doesn't like putting on a fake personality that comes with doing collabs.
(Also implying that collabs are fake and such.)

>>41061046
>No one gives a fuck about other streamers
that's equally as schizo, if you think everybody loves everybody in hololive and contempt or jealously doesn't exist, then you have a nice fantasy but better take your meds

>>41061046
Some people hate that their oshis literally have meltdowns due to overworking themselves while she does nothing. If every member in hololive was as selfish as her there would be no hololive, so in that regard I do agree with her antis.
Now japanese use any attack vector possible when they don't like someone and can be very vindictive with their approaches, sometimes they go as far as to harass and that's just not ok, I do not agree with that, but I ultimately agree she's not a good person.
I don't anti her but I don't want her near my oshi and I don't want to know anything about her.

>>41060946
See my point about the contracts and the different climate in the company after gen 2 when Ayame was already a part time streamer.
I think you are actually so dumb that you don't even get what I'm trying to say.
>>41061343
But collabs are fake. Some of them are really friends IRL but even then they make up a bunch of retarded stories about each other just to spice up the content. Didn't Subaru end up getting caught lying by overly exaggerating her stories about the girls?

>>41061474
She may be a bit calculating but I don't know why you consider her to be a bad person.
She seems like one of the nicer girls in hololive, especially considering her younger age.

>>41061474
But japanese fans are showering Ayame with money and EOP's that seethe about her not streaming literally dont matter.
I follow a few smaller companies now and even there, they have some girls that are full time streamers, some part time and some barely show up, or they switched to streamer/manager mode, and that is perfectly fine. Not every fucking person needs to stream 24/7 just to appease a handful of retards on /vt/.

>>41055504
wow people on 4chan have no life and cope by picking at random shit and insulting random groups
i would have never guessed

>>41055504
No one hates her, we’re just jelly her life is on easy mode

>>41061736
Exactly.
Retards here will say this is a bad schedule because it's not streaming every single day like some other holos.
Maybe it'd be bad if she streamed only for an hour like some holos.

>>41061730
>I don't know why you consider her to be a bad person.
Because she always has an excuse to not do anything but always recovers miraculously when big money is on stake. She took like 3-4 months because allegedly she was too depressed because her grandmother died yet she managed to recover just in time to shill her live, do her live, shill her merch, do a couple of collabs and fuck off again.
I just don't think someone who behaves like this is trustable, more so when you can compare her with another 30 hololive members and the contrast is insane.
>>41061736
I dont' know anything about what /vt/ says about her and I don't really care either. She has a lot of japanese antis and the ones who aren't just full schizo just say they hate how she only "goes down the mountain" when she has to "collect money". I even remember when she did her last live the twitter suggestion when you typed 百鬼あやめ was 集金, so that shows you she indeed is not exactly universally loved there.

>>41061730
i don't know whether she's bad or not, but she definitely doesn't seem sincere, that whole '3 month house move' and' 2 months no internet' were just such absolute bullshit. Her laughs are overhyped by her atms too, it ain't special and she's just carried by god tier character design.

Kind of funny her being a whore is an EN meme now though, some schizos take it for gospel.

>>41062168
Those events are likely obligations she has to do. It's actually quite professional of her to fulfill those obligations even if she didn't feel like it.

When you actually take a deep look at her, what does she do that's wrong besides not stream?
She doesn't have any side activities, she isn't out trying to squeeze money from other people in other accounts, she's doesn't force herself into collabs or events. She just does her own thing on her own terms.

>>41061211
jesas her grandmother must be turning in her grave. As for her grandfather, he will go grudge on her.

>>41055504
Cutest whore, very based
I kneel and sniff

>>41062379
They aren't obliged to do her birthday lives at all. They are obliged to do stuff for cover but those aren't mandatory and seeing how laplus just skipped her full-gen live I think it's pretty clear they can't be sorted out.
Also keep in mind japanese are very "group over the individual" and when you think about hololive as the group the way she just fucks off while the rest are giving their all is not well received. That I what I said about only showing up for the money. I'm just wanted people here know what nips (both antis and people who just don't like her antics) think about her as most people here don't speak japanese.

>>41062749
They can be sorted out*

>>41060638

>>41062749
I'm sure she is also aware of that.
She knows that she has a fanbase that will stick with her through mostly anything, barring graduation or an extreme event. Why bother pandering to people that won't like her for who she is?

>>41055504
Good thing I understand Japanese and still hate her

>>41062880
I honestly think she should just stay quiet about it. I can understand Pekora or Miko getting mad or sad because people talk shit about them (100% schizo shit) but this girl has real shit on her based on her behavior over the last couple of years.
She should just keep farming the golden goose she got like she has been done. Expecting people outside of her die-hard fans to love her or to not speak their mind about her is just impossible. I do believe directly attacking her on her hashtags and stuff like that shouldn't be done though.

>>41063152
>Pekora
Kek

>>41055504
Based ojou clapping on the EOPs

>>41055504
I mean it's 100% deserved.
Bitch doesnt stream and seems ungrateful as fuck. Fuck her, marine, shion and all their beta-orbiters who enable their behaviour.

>>41061882
Cherrypicking a period in which she started to give a fuck (probably because birthday + christmas money) and you could only find 16 streams in (the mario kart one is a two parter; checking the last one's date) 2 months and a half. 1.5 streams per week.
And moreover 2 of them are shilling, one is the obligatory money collecting birthday (she didn't even bother doing a 3D live this time) and another one is a 20 minutes karaoke.
Amazing schedule.

To be fair, shion is kinda worse these days.

>>41055504
could you give us a source, or some timestamps?

>>41061211
Ayame cant deal with hafus and traitors with no honor

>>41063418
>marine
Hello, marineschizo
>>41063436
You're completely right on that.

>>41063679
>everyone criticizing marine for lack of streams is marineschizo now
nice retard

>>41063152
These are valid points based on logic. Criticism that should be acceptable but is often argued against because of people that are almost as annoying as the schitzos; the white knights

>>41063762
I'm not him but putting marine in with the rest of the girls who literally do nothing else besides streams is retarded.
Marine never disappears out of nowhere, she updates frequently and streams every week (Counting collabs, which are frequent). I don't know why some people complain about her lack of streams but at the same time complain about her being on everything. Fr pick a side

>>41063436
Gen2 could potentially give Gen3 a run for its money on being the strongest but unfortunately Subaru and Choco are left to do all the work while the other 3 are AWOL 70% of the year.

>>41063436
>>41063679
Shion has put more content out with covers and a new original. What is Ayame doing to put money earned back into her job?
Don't make this a dick-measuring contest

Deflection thread because Haachama has spent all the time after her Christmas stream with her boyfriend

She literally didnt do anything after her MEAT PARTY stream

>>41063762
>marine
>lack of streams
You just don't know what you're talking about. got it.
She streams less than before but she is in literally every concert and collab and she still streams. She still delivers to her fans. Just because she doesn't stream like Pekora doesn't mean she's Shion tier. She has also been very depressed lately to the point of randomly starting to cry so instead of being a insensitive faggot just shut up.

>>41063900
> I don't know why some people complain about her lack of streams but at the same time complain about her being on everything. Fr pick a side
>/vt/ is one person
Also
>I'm not him but putting marine in with the rest of the girls who literally do nothing else besides streams is retarded.
wdym? they dont stream thats the thing.

>>41063428
also 4 member streams recently

>>41055504

I will now shit on Ayame twice as much because i know it bothers her.

>>41064006
I do believe shion is worse these days but that doesn't make ayame good at all. They're currently the worst holos along with laplus.
>>41063790
There isn't really a place where you can discuss holos or vtubers in general. It's either hugboxes or just schizo cesspools. Just because I don't think ayame is a good person out of what I conclude given her behavior and don't want to have anything to do with her doesn't make me an anti yet people has painted me like that

>>41064112
No, the thing is you guys compare marine with ayame or gura when the situations between each member are so different.
Some don't stream for coherent reasons or because they have more important things to do (Surprise not all of them have their focus on streaming all day like pekora) like marine or suisei.
On the other hand you have Ayame, gura or shion who just disappear for months, do nothing and come back like its nothing

>>41060820
AZKi streams once a week as long as you include her appearances on other channels, which are plentiful. Also she is focused on music and putting out more lives and orisongs than most holos, so its not a fair comparison.

>>41064208
it always has.
she reads comments all the time and she'll stalk profiles of people that leave mean comments

>>41064020
>She has also been very depressed lately to the point of randomly starting to cry
Is it because of hitting 30...or something else?

>>41064208
>>41064380
Didn't she once address clipper channels and the comments on those? She kinda sounds like a control freak, jimmies rustled that she can't control what is said about her outside of Hololive channels.

>>41055504
>"improve yourself" but in Japanese

>>41064466
she likes to into other people's streams and ban commenters

>be a cute girl
>want to stream sometimes for fun
>Tanigo-san offers me a job to do exactly that
>stream sometimes
>people start getting mad at me for only streaming sometimes
>fuck off nerds, you don't own me and I owe you nothing rumao
>I continue doing the only thing I've done since I debuted
>more seething
>get a long DM in a different language
>run it through google and it's hate mail
>mfw people who don't even understand me are trying to shit on me
>rumao, you don't even understand the words I'm saying
>Offhandedly mention how pathetic these losers are
>they seethe more on their board, trying to pretend they can actually justify it
>I am going to continue to stream sometimes

>>41064410
I don't think it has been clarified. It might be though. Sometime you start doing jokes based on stuff that hurts you as a coping mechanism but that doesn't necessarily mean you are over it. Her throat also bothers her a lot and there can be other things we don't know.
I also remember she was feeling sad when she visited her dad a couple of months ago and she asked him to drive her back to tokyo because she didn't want to be alone (he did and he went back alone, around 8 hours total; very heartwarming story).
She hasn't been feeling fully ok and honestly her demeanor is the same as the one of someone with depression: she somehow feels ok but then something happens and she just can't help it and starts feeling really sad and starts crying. That's the reason she's been doing a lot of collabs and sleepovers. She doesn't want to be alone.

>>41061882
short streams are generally better.

>>41055504
Biggest cope/bitchy shit ever
>waah waah you don't like me so it's not my fault it's YOUR fault you don't like me waaah waaah your life must be a failure that's the only plausible reason you'd ever criticize me because i'm perfect
Fuck her

>>41065105
kek based

>>41064279
I don't know about Ayame but I don't think it's reasonable to put Shion on Laplus level.
There are mainly instances from what I've seen that lead me to believe Shion is at least respectful behind the scenes.
(Especially enjoying the offcollabs with 2nd gen and Suisei's party. Telling Subaru what her strong points are after the stream despite being pressured to just call her "Cheerful" again this year)

>>41064573
Ojousama I knee

I subbed and cancelled my membership with Ayame ages ago. She really is just a basic white bitch in JP skin.

You should do the same.

>>41065333
Laplus is fine, too.

>>41065333
Anon, shion has been found out playing valo with males (alleged bf, no proof on that since it's impossible to confirm though) every single day she's not streamed and even before and after her streams. She was playing with her squad even after the sports festival she couldn't attend happened.
All of this after telling everyone she couldn't stream because she was depressed. Shion is currently Laplus tier.

>>41064695
>That's the reason she's been doing a lot of collabs and sleepovers. She doesn't want to be alone.
I can save her...

>>41065638
Hasn't Shion also somewhat thrown Marine under the bus twice? She seems to be a bit of a prickly shrew with relations with others

>>41065638
Excuse me? She has never said she has been depressed. Her alleged account for valo is not confirmed even her. She didn't make any excuse for not going to the festival either.
I can see you don't watch her and you don't follow the scandal behind her, either

>>41057272
To be fair they're mostly making fun of her fans for enabling her, rather than Ayame herself. Everyone knows she takes long breaks and comes back only to shill her merch, it's the paypigs that eat it up that are the pathetic ones

>>41064466
to be specific she asked clippers to remove negative comments that are about her

>>41065772
Marine seems pretty sensitive lately and I can see why she wouldn't want any verbal abuse from Shion (even in jest). Shion isn't very proactive in inviting anyone to anything

>>41064466
Remember to follow Ayame-chan's rules!
1. Don't reply to conversations between holos on social media
2. Don't use fanart of holos as your profile picture
3. Don't use holos names as your own username in games
4. Don't request things of holos unless specifically asked
5. Don't comment unless you have something nice to say
6. Don't create clips that show me in a bad light
7. Don't comment in a language other than Japanese

>>41065772
I don't know about that though. In the leak it was said she mocked other holos like miko for the way she talks but that's part or the stuff that cannot be proven so I don't believe it.
>>41065793
The only thing that wasn't proven was the part about the sf and the bf, the accounts has been beyond proven since it was shown she was retarded enough to use one of her old shion accounts with a new name and she had other holos as friends too. Believe what you want. If people still believe in laplus and mikeneko I can see people also believing in shion.

>>41066035
kek i remember this one from like mid 2020. whats funny is that half of those things weren't even something she said then but now she's said them.

>>41065582
lmao laplus is a nijinigger

but for real
theres some mean bitches in hololive (like flare)
ayame is a pretty nice girl, doesn't deserve a lot of the hate she gets

>>41066115
>the accounts have been proven
You're wrong. What is proven is that she is steam friends with that guy but there is no solid connection between her steam account and that valo account in question.
I can say the same for you; believe what you want because people believing things that aren't entirely true run rampant here. You either didn't do as much research or you're thread-reading

>>41066232
Flare is just butthurt she got made a dark elf

broke: learning japanese to get a job in japan
woke: learning japanese to watch vtubers
bespoke: learning japanese to fluently tell ayame she's a lazy whore

>>41066266
I read the leak and everything both on 5ch and sukikira. I do remember people on /jp/ making up stuff trying to invalidate the leaks (didn't make any sense) to the point the nips were laughing at the cope.
I don't need to read mistranslation out of threads on western boards. Seeing the cryptic messages from some gachis also made it clear a lot of stuff is indeed true.

Everyone is saying "based" but obviously this affects the fuck out of her since she talked about it on stream so much.

If she was really based then she wouldn't give enough of a fuck to even look at those comments and yet she literally went through some guys entire post history and found something sad he said IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE.

That means she translated every single tweet in his post history. Lmao does that sound "based" like she doesn't give a fuck? No. If sounds like those comments rip her to pieced and she's coping with her words.

But everyone in thus thread is a pay pig cuck as usual and supports her no matter what. You guys are fucking idiots if you call her based.

>>41066232
Anon this isnt bizarro world...

>>41066035
>7. Don't comment in a language other than Japanese
Holy kek, did she actually say that? Plenty of JP may not cater to overseas fans often but they have the occasional 'Hey Guys!' summoning and short chat with those fans. No fucking? Ayame wants nothing to do with overseas fans who aren't able to type nihongo runes?

>>41066035
>7. Don't comment in a language other than Japanese
This is 1942 all over again

>>41066510
What grounds is it true? You see people making fake evidence against her too

>>41066442
>bespoke: learning japanese to fluently tell ayame she's a lazy whore
Its MTL so take with a grain of salt
芸者娼婦は家に帰る

>>41066232
Can't for the life of me figure out where anon's "Flare is a nasty woman" brain cancer originated from.

>>41066575
She's a lazy whore who doesn't stream or have a job but instead of spending her time learning languages to communicate with fans who love her she suits on them for being different. She really is just an entitled cunt to the core. Disgusting.

>>41066035

So nice of ojou to wite a guidebook how to alog her properly.

As nice as it is to live rent free in Ayames head its a little crowded in here.

>>41066558
Anon, I said exactly what you're saying here >>41057060
Not everyone in this thread is bending the knee to her

>>41066644
this is why you should have listened to her advice and done your reps instead of trying to take shortcuts, now she's just going to laugh at you

>>41066711
>Anon, I said exactly what you're saying here.
Good it needs to be said louder and to her face. Fuck Ayame.

>>41055504
it's okay because ayame is cute

>>41059285
>>41059768
so youd be fine if your girlfriend got clapped by an entire train of football players? im not a unicorn or anything but its literally her job to stream

>>41066797
Fine, I will fuck her if you insist.

>>41066675
I think alot of it comes from her negative reaction to her original image and 'requesting' updates that are more suitable to her. She used her inferior NYE avatar for ages because she hated her original design THAT MUCH. I've not followed through because I can't be assed to spend time searching but I have heard she has made efforts to somewhat regulate what her fans say/discuss in chat too.

>>41055504
If I got hate mail in a foreign language and it demonstrated that they knew who I was and what I did I'd feel like I had finally arrived and I was doing something important and special.

>>41066628
Again, the stuff about that dude being her bf or she having a sf or she dissing miko because of the way she talks is a weird rumour. In the leak it was like "I know a friend of a friend of the guy and he told me this!". That has zero credibility to me, it might be true but it might not. I don't have any opinions on it.
The accounts are hers, that just can't be negated. It's true. Even the more schizo data tables made afterwards show correlation.
She doesn't stream and while she doesn't she's talking and playing with dudes. Whether if one of those dudes is her bf I don't know nor I care but she is playing with them on her fans' backs while living off their money.
She's not as bad as laplus (very hard to be kek) but she's just there like every other holozoomer who loves fps and doesn't stream.

>>41066839
>its literally her job to stream

>>41055504
AISHITE

>>41063428
1.5 per week doesn't sound that bad

>>41066943
The Valo account is only tied to her because of the reason, "Oh, because she never streamed at the same time this valo account plays games!". How is that credible at all?

>>41066644
That barely means something like "comedian/entertainer whore goes home" but it's weird japanese.
Honestly if you post that to her you deserve to be laughed at.

>>41055504
Pretty based. Dunking on haters from time to time is the middle ground between awkwardly pretending everything is fine and having them live in your head rent free.

she also threatened to sue antis into bankruptcy (real)

>>41066675
Flare is nice but she's butthurt as fuck. It's not someone laid back enough you can just say stuff and laugh because she might get butthurt. See the dark and coffee elf jokes or the "I'm not cool I'm cute".
In that regard she's like suichan but somehow it's ok when suichan does it.

>>41061211
she looks so good and he looks like reheated leftovers which makes it the perfect photo for this headline

>>41066442
based
hopefully ayame reads this and gets angry

>>41067025
If you want to believe everything is just a big coincidence, you do you. For me the presented proof is more than enough and the accounts are hers. The rest I don't know.
Laplus going to that irl event was also a hoax, same as rushia getting to close to mfmf... everything ended up being true. If even some of her biggest gachis believe it (and those are the ones more prone to not believe anything) that just shows the evidence is solid enough.

>>41055504
>please learn japanese before telling me that.'"
Damn, kek

Tldr:
>Ayame is a lazy whore (as usual)
>Ayame is racist and hates non JP
>People in this thread say she's based but obviously she isn't since she's crying about this on stream.
>She went though a random guys entire post history because these comments hurt her feelings. (Good I hope it hurts)
>Ayame still doesn't care and only streams when she wants money.
>If the whore isn't streaming for cash once a year she's playing video games all day like a bum.
>Her fans in this thread have brain damage.
>Her fans in this thread are cucks.
>Her fans in this thread are pathetic.
>Her fans in this thread would be better off not existing.
>Her fans in this thread are the reason she is so dysfunctional as an adult and can't do anything productive to save her life.

Did I miss anything?

>>41055504
>"I don't understand, what did I do to make these people mad?"
She knows why.

>>41067528
Want some tissue to wipe away those tears?

>>41061211
total mutt victory

>>41067528
Now without crying

>>41062168
>goes down the mountain
Japs are funny fucks.

>>41067568
I don't cry for whores.

>>41067414
Gachis themselves aren't very sound in their judgement to begin with. I'm not completely denying the possibility of the speculations to be true but there is certainly nothing Concrete as evidence other than steam friends with one person.

>>41067190
>or the "I'm not cool I'm cute".
sounds like the opposite of Kaela but Kaela probably enjoys being called cute anyway

>>41067681
>probably
Kaela is just joking and being tsundere to be cute. Flare gets mad and loses her cool. She's a bitch I'm not going to even lie. That's why she's unpopular. She's a bitch.

>>41066955
1.5 per week is roughly 6.5 monthly which equates to a mere 78 hours for the year. That would set a new low by a vast margin even by some of the shitty standards set recently by Ayame, Shion and Aqua.

>>41067528
xxth post, based post

>>41067848
That'll be twice the number of hours streamed by AZKi.
Also curious how you always seem to forget about Marine when she streams even less than Aqua.

>>41066839
>average /vt/ poster tries to go 5 minutes without talking about being cucked by dozens of men which he probably fantasizes about
>fails miserably

>>41067671
You will never get full 100% concrete evidence validated by police but japs are very schizo with this kind of things; they always find out stuff on their idols eventually if they are doing them dirty. She never streaming also plays against her on this because and how the timeframes matched it just too perfect to not be true, she also is friends with laplus from before hololive and see how laplus is.
There wasn't concrete evidence of rushia and mfmf, there wasn't concrete evidence of laplus going to that fps irl event and again see what happened. "Where there's smoke, there's fire".

I guess fans really do mirror their oshi
Nakirigumi are so fucking condescending and arrogant, holy shit. They act like they are better than everyone. Worst people on this board.

>>41066232
>Flare one of the most supportive members is somehow a bitch
>Flare that everyone loves
>Flare that doesnt't like games like Amongus because friends and coworkers need to actively lie to each other to win
Flare is just a delicate flower. A true sweetheart of a person

>>41068371
At least Flare doesn't do male collabs which is more than most holoEN hoes can say now.

>>41068034
I didn't forget Marine but last time I mentioned her like you suggested, some Ichimi came in a-hollering and a-hooting about 'COLLABS, OFFICIAL CHANNEL, SHILLING, SHE PUTS IN THE HOURS YOU ANTI'

>>41068448
Marine has done her time. She is one of the most successful members. Ayame is a lazy clout chasing cumshot swallowing zoomer whore.

>>41068526
Way to prove his point.

>>41067632
That phrase is funny as fuck. They use "山から下りる" and "山に帰る" everytime time she "goes down the mountain" to get money and "goes back to the mountain" with the loot.

>>41067528
You pretty much summed it up. Thanks I'll close the thread and go eat dinner now.

>>41068371
Don't get me wrong, Flare is definitely a team player with regards to her coworkers but you can't deny she is a fucking control freak over her own image, to the point she has forced her well-regarded papa to make changes to her OG outfit (unprecedented in Hololive for these reasons, Nene was due to CN design).

>>41068526
Name 1 thing she did that was clout chasing.
She is unironically the least clout chasing girl in hololive.

>>41068448
I'm not even an ichimi, I just don't like some random EOP who knows nothing to trash talk her and lie about her. She does stream albeit not a lot and not on her channel and she has her reasons, you just don't know nor care about them because you just want to hate on her.

>>41068448
Why wouldn't collabs be accounted for in this assessment? That is actual stream hours put in, just done on someone else's channel.
And more to the point, that is most often streaming without making any money off it whatsoever since generally speaking, the host channel keeps everything it makes.

>>41068371
>>Flare that doesnt't like games like Amongus because friends and coworkers need to actively lie to each other to win
Based, redpilled tomboy

>>41055504
>"It doesn't affect me much, but it makes me think 'please learn japanese before telling me that.'"
holy based

>>41068228
The Rushia situation wasn't entirely just how close she was to mfmf; you forgot to mention suicide baiting, dming her biggest paypigs, etc.
But that's neither here nor there. These are two isolated incidents and to tie them together is pretty misogynistic (I don't see how there is any other way these incidents can be tied together).
Treating speculative evidence against her as undeniable truth is what I find issue with. Tell the whole story, not just half of it which leads to misinformation

>>41068759
>I'm not even an ichimi
ok white knight
we got the mesage loud and clear

>>41059203
Both? If you don't understand Japanese, fuck-off. EOP's are ignorant fucks.

>>41068848
Misogyny is just a word feminists blurt out when they lose an argument or have nothing logical to retort with so they use it as an attack. It's like people who don't agree with something calling it "racist"

>>41068945
Fuck off you racist twat. Americans don't have to learn other languages because we're the best and we conquered the planet. We're better than you. Get the fuck over it or cry pussy.

>>41068930
NTA. Come on man. Attack his argument and not the character. We're all degenerates here posting anonymously so calling out someone for being a white knight while participating in this kind of topic is hypocrisy

>>41068966
Instead of focusing on the term I used, how about defending yourself against my assumption? Why are those incidents related?

>>41068848
Again, if you want to believe everything is a lie then you do you. The general concensus about the leak is that the accounts are hers and you and those guys on /jp/ are the only ones who decided not to believe it. It's fine, you are free to believe whatever, but to just deny everything because it doesn't have an FBI seal on it is dumb and disingenous.
Oh, and I forgot just after the leak happened she did a mengen in which she asked her fans "what would you do if I just disappear forever". She's not exactly brilliant. The evidence is there, up to you to believe it.
Doesn't really make sense to discuss this any further either. Let's agree to disagree and call it a day.

>>41068763
You could say the same about Ayame.

How can Ayame so effortlessly dominate schizos?

>>41055504
>she's the stereotypical queen bee(tch) who immediately goes for the "incel" low blow if confronted
h-hot

>>41069443
She really dominated them when she obsessively read all of their posts from literal unknown retards in a foreign language for hours on end and then cried about it. Haha based. Haha she sure owned them haha. Based haha.

>>41055738
Shut be fuck up Mori.

>Be a Japanese part-time streamer
>Browse through your Twitter hashtag for feedback after a stream
>See a bunch of comments in English
>MTL them and they're hatemail complaining about you not streaming as much as someone for whom streaming is a full-time job
>Absentmindedly wonder why anyone would care so much when they clearly don't even speak your language, maybe they really really love you and want more of you because of that?
>Browse through a couple of comment histories out of sheer curiosity
>They're just non-stop whining about streamers they don't even understand
>Have a laugh, feel a bit sad that this is their life
>Mention it on stream for your Japanese viewers before moving on to different things
>Your quip gets translated and posted on English-speaking website
>Multiple people convince themselves that they have easy access under your skin and dedicate some small part of their lives to writing nasty comments about you
>You probably won't even bother MTL'ing English comments again

>>41066943
What does "sf" mean??

>>41069410
Sure, we can agree to disagree but I'd like to at least respond to your last statements.

The steam account is her's but the valo account in question was never connected to her outside of speculation.
For her to talk about disappearing is natural regardless if the scandal was true or not; it's causing problems

>>41069759
Based

>>41058586
/vt/ doesnt know anything about Ayame beyond the memes
they dont know that shes the most easily anti'd member who hasnt graduated, worse than aqua even, she wont even let people use her for karaoke clips in mashups because doesnt like it when "they compare her to other members"

>>41069764
sexfriend
>>41069786
Really no point in discussing further. You will just find a way to justify anything regardless of how solid the evidence is.
I just wish you are right though. I don't really want anyone to get cucked by someone in hololive japan.

>>41070007
Thank you

>>41069759
It honestly is incredibly sad how the people seething in this thread can't even do this much self-reflection. They have to know how hard they got pegged here, right?

>>41059509
ITT:
>Japanese nationalist supremacy is based
Westerners are the true cucks of the world

>>41069436
>You could say the same about Ayame.
Not really. She rarely does an intimate zatsu with other members, but she does a song or two for someone's concert which is where people actually see her most of the time beyond company mandated appearances.
And sure, people can pretend those performances are super duper important as an idol, but streamers need to stream.

>>41068660
Her original model was not good, even if the design was sex. Lack made several updates after debut to make it look better (eyes, minor shape changes). Lack's early vtuber work was pretty rough, go watch debut Ririmu. And plenty of vtubers pivot away from their debut models as they settle into themselves. Also, Lack is Elfriend prime, so he was more than happy to make Flare happy.

>>41070204
Sure, let's forget about all of the OKFAMS and variants collabs and off-collabs.

>>41070007
I hope that she puts out a late birthday live soon to maybe absolve some of the theories.
I'd like to believe in her regardless since she's often respectful and kind but also has some darkness in her past that was revealed recently

Ayame's blown off showing up to tons of events now over the past year or two, she just doesn't give two shits about anything anymore so naturally she just doesn't look like she belongs in the company anymore. She's soft-graduated as some put.

This wouldn't by itself rub people the wrong way but the fact she does this, but also shows up for big money streams like her birthday and then fucks off again, and always has some excuse salad of "I'm moving/sick/my dog died/my grandma died/my dog or grandma ate my homework/Yagoo locked me in my bathroom" etc for the in-betweens, makes her such a transparent low-effort shameless grifter not even trying to hide it (and having been caught playing LoL while supposedly at the hospital) etc I don't see why you should put up with this retarded shit vs supporting a Holo who is actually streaming and keeping the company meta moving.

If Ayame was an indie none of her patterns would matter at all and I'd say "it's her choice she can do whatever she wants", and people confuse this independent line of thinking for applying equally to people working in a big corpo, but it honestly doesn't. She is part of a team and freeloading off the name and her formerly being known for actually-streaming. If everyone in Hololive acted like her the company would fucking die instantly, overnight. She's abusing her name/brand recognition for free money these days. I actually dislike the people who put up with such a shameless act and still give her money and defend this more than I dislike her. She's just doing what her shitty nature does, she's taking advantage of the situation and riding it out for every single last yen just because she can. But if nobody gave her money for doing this shit anymore, she'd maybe either shape up and actually-stream again or just quit and at least leave in somewhat good grace (although IMO it's too late for that now).

Remember, I repeat, if everyone in Hololive acted like Ayame does now, there would BE no Hololive anymore.

>>41069759
She has openly admitted that she gets upset at comments that are critical towards her. Even going so far as to demand that clippers go through their comments and delete posts that criticize her in anyway. If she truly didn't give a fuck she wouldn't translate someone's post history to find dirt. That's ridiculous.

I enjoy projecting every negative stereotype I know about women onto Ayame, even though I've never watched her.

>>41068763
>Why wouldn't collabs be accounted for in this assessment? That is actual stream hours put in, just done on someone else's channel.
Probably because its too much of a pain in the ass to track? Don't talk to me, talk to the folks who run Vstats and Vrabi.

>>41070290
I'm honestly 100% done with the zoomers. When laplus showed up I was really, really expecting a lot from her and see what happened. Every single zoomer who's lazy, doesn't stream and loves fps somehow ends up involved in shitty male e-celeb or offpako discord servers.
I believed shion was depressed but after seeing the leaks and how the problem was, once again, a fucking fps everything started to make sense. Those games are the cancer of hololive. See how every single holomem who has anything to do with them is in male shit: towa, matsuri, laplus, shion, ayame... the only one who hasn't been found out is aqua and given the aforementioned cases I prepared for the worst. Any zoomer who doesn't stream and loves fps is in weird shit with male discords.

>>41069759
Wow, you really fabricate it in such a way that it makes Ayame look like she's not desperate about it. Great job!

>>41070491
How can you watch her if she doesn't stream?

>>41069759
Okay anon, explain to her dictating to clipper channels to delete negative comments about her. How is that not her being an obsessive control freak but on 'us creepy kaigainiki'?

>>41069107
how so? im not defending multi-millionaires for failing to stream more than 20 hours a month and trash talking those who call them out.

>>41070491
She is a racist with no work ethic. I say the same to men.

>>41070208
Not talking the eyes, I'm talking the booty shorts update because Flare resented the high cut and appearing apparently panty-less. But even that touchup wasn't enough and she got a full-on makeover for her OG outfit with that new all-white get-up.

>>41070491
>y-you dont watch h-her!!
yeah nobody does cause she doesnt stream.

>>41070300
pretty much this. It's not even about hate. You don't need to hate her to see her behavior is not acceptable, not even in a kid the shit she pulls off is tolerable.

>>41070616
I can't speak for any of the others but I found it strange how nobody questioned why Shion was playing male characters on valo when she never selects male characters in any realistic-style games (Had to clearify this because of some of the nintendo games she plays)

>>41070894
I don't really know about fps but maybe she picked the dudes because they fit her playstyle? I don't see how picking a dude in a game means you are playing with dudes fulltime instead of streaming

>>41070744
I'm talking about refuting claims that anon has made rather than going straight to labeling. Which I find ironic because of where we are; you're not much better by being here participating

>>41071052
what claims?

>>41071028
No, I meant to say the assumed Shion account was picking dudes when she never does when playing valo or apex officially. Meaning it's a behavioral contradiction to try and tie that valo account to her

>>41071171
>>41068759

>>41068759
Anon, I don't believe she drastically increased her collabs and off-stream activities enough to off-set 400+ hours that she dropped in streams on her own channel. She may not be quite as bad as the likes of Ayame and Shion but Marine does earn a place in the discussion of Holos on the lower end of the spectrum and if nothing else, a comparison to her output in 2020 and 2021 (up to July). She has declined in overall output, that is irrefutable.

>>41071269
those claims are retarded
if she wanted she would stream
she doesnt stream becasue sh edoesnt want to stream
its that simple anon
if you bought her lies about hurt throat you are dumb

>>41071284
You say "As bad as" but do you know Shion's normal output? It would be awesome if everyone was as proactive as Subaru, Pekora, Koyori, etc. but that's pretty unreasonable.
Shion's output hasn't changed as much as tourists might think

>>41071412
Man, I don't even want to argue with you on this since you don't seem very open to discussion in the first place. Plus, NTA.
I will add though that you're assuming what she wants or doesn't want to do. You could be right but you're just as possibly wrong

10/10 would listen to cute noises again

>>41071632
Wy do you sound like a faggot?
Also NTA

>>41067333
>he looks like reheated leftovers
kek that's a fucking perfect description.

>>41071284
And she has her reasons: her throat is fucked and she doesn't want to get the surgery, and she's depressed. It was already explained above. Whether those points are enough for you I don't know nor really care, but she has her reasons.

>>41055504
Ayame is sympathy baiting for superchats by telling her fans that she is getting hate from foreign viewers when it is mostly just people making jokes. She figured out that hololive members can be carried by the brand name and it is easy to shit post about a streamer that does the minimum amount of work.

>>41072058
I'm aware and I'm in the camp that she should have gotten the surgery last year. As you stated you don't know nor care and I don't care about your caring or Marine's reasons not to. She is a pussy compared to Aki. Aki is back to streaming regularly and consistently whereas Marine flaked on the surgery and is still fucked up. Fucking wussy woman.

>>41072630
>I'm in the camp that she should have gotten the surgery last year
I concur. Aki and Suisei got it and it solved their problems. What she's doing is like when a sportsman refuses to get the surgery and goes for a conservative treatment that ends up not working for shit or makes it worse.
It's affecting her job and it's most likely affecting her mental health. She should grow a pair and do it, really. It's not even about streaming more, nowadays whenever she does a recording session or streams for like 2 hours her voice dies for a couple of days. That's not normal at all.

>>41068193
youre the one whod let women walk all over you while expecting nothing in return, cuck.

>>41071284
She streamed less but she also had the most watched 3d live other than coco graduation, one of the biggest breakout hit songs, singlehandedly brought back hololive summer and made cover a ton of money with it and played one of the main roles in the Aquarium visual novel
Sure it'd be nice if she could stream more but acting like she's sitting around doing nothing is just vt schizo nonsense

>>41073582
More success =/= more effort
I agree with you that Marine had a very successful 2022, hell she left Pekora in her dust even to a certain degree. That said, I'm not gonna give her a 'free pass' on not giving as much effort just because she had more success. She may have got more bang for her buck this year this past year but I'm gonna judge her for her lesser amount of 'buck' expended still.

>>41058594
I wish. She'd still stream more than Hime.

>>41074017
less streaming =/= less effort, she's putting her effort into other things because she cant stream

>>41070491
The reality is much worse, she is very much a woman in that she is super boring and only talks about the most banal shit possible to the point that no one outside her forced corpo pretend-friend group in the company likes her

Imagine this bitch doing some egosa and stumbling upon some /vt/ messages and using DeepL on it to find out people think she's a joke and now they live rent free in her head.

>>41055504
Based Ojou.

>>41084698
I can smell your tears through the screen lol

This thread is full of people seething because they feel personally attacked. Keep up the good work, ojou.

I will keep writing hateful comments in English on YouTube and on her Twitter and Ayame can't stop me

>>41085567
Feel free to pass along our 'kind words' to her, if Ojou gets ass-blasted enough she might even talk about this in a public stream rather then hide in members only like a petty little bitch.

>>41086141
she said you should superchat mean comments if you really wanted post them (real)

>>41086548
Why would I give her my hard-earned money, since she reads my comments for free? Ayame is the perfect representation of the modern woman: arrogant and slutty

>>41087166
she might read them on stream and laugh at you

>>41087331
I have no fetish for being humiliated like the Nakiricucks

>>41070616
Consider how social media completely cored out millennials and gen X, and those generations had the benefit of only being hit by them in their teens and early-mid adulthood. Then realize that instead of a worthless boomer parent telling them to go outside so he could watch the game, zoomers had absent gen X parents handing them a fucking tablet to shut them up, exposing them to this algorithmic meat grinder before they even hit puberty. They never stood a chance. Once you know this it becomes so obvious why you just cannot trust anybody under 25 to act like a decent human being.

Senpai, valo...?

>>41064695
so much suffering, she should just graduate, better for her, and for everyone else

>>41055504
>"It doesn't affect me much, but it makes me think 'please learn japanese before telling me that.'"

Based あやめ様 learn nihongo fucking mutts

>>41066035
>Don't comment in a language other than Japanese
天皇陛下万歳

>>41055504
>"It doesn't affect me much, but it makes me think 'please learn japanese before telling me that.'"
Me reading all of the retarded shit Holonewfags have been posting since 2019

>>41069084
Bitch the only thing you’ve conquered is a Happy Meal

>>41092945
>>41093563
Now go post in Japanese you faggots, since English is too inferior for you

>>41055504
>Doesn't care enough about her fans to stream more than once a quarter
>Cares enough about her antis to pick out a single comment and rant about it on a membership stream

>>41094316
Calm down, okay?

>>41068666
>Name 1 thing she did that was clout chasing
APEX

>>41094492
Wow…okay pack up the thread anons; all that needed to be said has been said.

>>41070185
>Japanese nationalist supremacy is based
nigger they cant be based, they lost so bad they shamed themselves and emasculated all their descendants, they used to get by force all the women in asia, now they have to settle with cartoons and shut themselves at home, enjoying ntr

>>41064695
I MUST SAVEEEEEEE!

>>41066558
Hello, BASED department?

>>41066035
Literally 1984

>>41064380
She only reads red superchats.

Her antis are some of the most confusing I've ever seen. They complain that she doesn't stream but also whenever she does. They talk about her more often than her own fans do while calling her obsessed.
If we were in the bizarro universe where she streamed consistently, I think her antis would just stop paying attention because they only want reasons to shit on her like a farms-tier lolcow.

>>41066232
Flare is better.
Ayame is the biatch.
Atleast Flares streams a lot than her and she's honest unlike Ayame who is only good at being cute even though her cuteness is cringe.
Chloe's cuteness was better today than Ayame.

Ayame even forced her docchi docchi now to look cute but It's cringe actually.

>>41066558
I don't know man. I feel like Ayame was referring to me when I also did lots of long ass tweet about her too.

>>41067378
She's not base cuz she said it on memberstream where 90% of her viewars can't watch.
She's just a coward biatch who likes to talk shit at your back.

Fine I'll say it in Japanese.

Yuu aa leijii entaiteruudo bicchi hoo wudento bii shitto wizaut yua dezain

>>41097681
Kek

>>41070300
t. seething commie

Profiting from the work of others is the smart thing to do.

>>41098111
She's just not the smartest at doing it, Shion and Aqua don't get as much hate because don't farm farm pity points in their few streams as hard.

>>41097681
Top kek

>>41070300
>>41070854
Hololive should make those appearances contractually obligatory then. This is a job for then and they're all hurt a lot more in the long run for normalizing extra-contractual obligations like that.

>>41098111
The attitude of the seething anons is the actual capitalist response to the matter.

Did anyone try to check if these words are real? Because they are spicy.

>>41055504
Based

ITT SEAniggers seething that cute Japanese women has better life then they could ever dream of.

>>41058019
I mean I honestly think that’s a reason why sana left
During some of her last streams the way she talks about herself sometimes was pretty self deprecating, as if she didn’t think she deserved anything, even her friends

>>41100803
She won't fuck you.
You can stop.

>>41101405
She’s already fucked my ears pretty well in her mengen ASMR streams.

>>41097016
>the most confusing I've ever see
don't bother zommer, your entre generation were borne already confused, go back to twitter

love my ojou
simple as

>>41100162
they are 100% real
she also said more stuff
she always says this kind of stuff in membership streams
one time she talked about how she dreamed of throwing an anti off a cliff

>>41102926
based kill those unity faggots.