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>>40661384
Hagu Climate Map
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>>40704812
As a quick approximation, provinces coloured with blue should be rather rainy.The darker the blue, the rainier the area.
Rainy areas with a white diamond inside them would be snowy.

>>40705692
Can you do this for areas on the map already?

>>40705692
Actually, now thinking about it, some of this is wrong

>>40704793
If anything, restore their old borders. Tho I don't understand what this obsession with country size is.

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>>40706394
I think, therefor I blob

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>>40705934
Its not the best but it should be an alright for a quick approximation
Same rules, but significant seasonal rains taken into account.
Also do note that colours mean a significant rainfall, so black areas are not completely dry or without rain.

>>40707866 (me)
Also do note that the colours are given relative to the latitude average, i suppose.
South-western infinity is in no way getting as much rain in absolute amounts as /ggg/ is

>>40705692
I was busy. So then, that would be the gist of it? Those parts would be the "ideal" places for /wAIfu/ to be in?
>>40707866
Okay now I'm a little bit confused, which one has the correct climates with rain/snow?

>>40709161
the later file is more accurate

>>40705577
The proposed border changes in Indeia.
Note:
>AA + Corpo + Myspace is one thread. This reflects that nature and the break aways that will happen from this thread.
>The approval of 774 and pcg are pending, but /voms/, /vrt/ (whose idea it was considering he knows these threads well) and what was /aeg/ agreed that this makes the most sense given the circumstances of /aeg/'s demise.
>The changes as a whole reflect the regional changes that are a result of IRL and Lore.

pcg and 774, we call on you to see what you think.

>>40709774
small correction. looks nice!

>>40709161
If you want both rain and snow, you'd want one of the blue regions at a temperate latitude. The bits north of uoh and west of the neutral continent would fit the bill, I think.

>>40710488
You would be right. Both are areas where you would get rain and snow, but you wouldnt see the stupid amounts of snow the areas marked with white diamonds would get

also any climatefags present feel free to correct

>>40710080
nta but why correct that when it looks like shit.

>>40710633
It... Doesn't? Just looks like borders to me. No reason to modify those of a nation uninvolved and inactive.

>>40710872
Does it really matter if vsj lost like 10 pixels on a border to make it look better? Like seriously, vsj controls half the continent and this is just something minor. i don't see why this was even worth a correction.

>>40710955
Principle

>>40710994
That principle is already gone when PP redrew borders and no one cared.

>>40711055
Didnt he redraw the borders of threads that agreed to it?

>>40711093
Ahoy didn't agree.

>>40709774
I approve. This looks rather nice in my opinion. What has happen recently btw?

>>40705530
https://rentry.org/Rumina-Culture
This is the culture as of now!! tell me how you like it !!

>>40710955
As you say, it's just 10 pixels. This isn't a big deal, so just keep the original vsj borders.

>>40711504
If this isn't a big deal, then there should be no issue with just changing it slightly. But this is a big deal to you.

>>40711561
nta
if its not a big deal, then why are you sneakily trying to change the borders?

>>40711495
Oh, and welcome. As the pcg rep, I am pleased to meet you. I'll give you my thoughts in a moment.

fyi, i really don't care if someone wants to change vsj back since its not worth fighting despite me only changing it since it looked like shit. I am the one who submitted it.

>>40711608
nta
But no one is being sneaky since this is in the open.

>>40711681
I take it you arent the anon who is arguing about it then?

>>40711613
Nice to meet you too!! <3

>>40711734
I mean, I wouldn't try pretending to be "nta" if I was. There is no reason to do that kek.

>>40709298
Okay, got it, thank you.
>>40710488
>>40710610
Alright... I think I got it, would it be either of these places? I tried to outline the ones I was looking at, I know some are already occupied so I took a bit figuring this out. I'd say the ones that have the funny diamond would still be okay, given the heavy snowing and (rather unstable) climate of the place /wAIfu/ would be. But like kronieman said, maybe sticking to the neutral continent would be fair too.

>>40711937
Do consider that the areas west of hagu would be tundra with Earth-like-climate approximation and Cold semi-arid in the hot planet approximation.

The area on the neutral continent is a mixture of oceanic and humid subtropical in Earth-like (i think), and only mediterranean in hot planet.

>>40711755
Very well done on all of the lore. I am extremely impressed with the level of careful thought, and detail you put into it all that really makes it sublime in my opinion. The way you adopted Catholicism as a base for your own religion was done excellently, and I can see your society very well through that lense. There is a lot of interesting stories to be told with what you have now, and I await them. Great job.

>>40711681
Alright, thank you for your cooperation anon.

>>40712646
Thx!! I really appreciate the love!! I think i am a bit stuck right now given the drama yesterday about volcanoes but hopefully that works out well soon as I still don't know what retro and the bear were talking about totally..

Test.

>>40712878
Internet finally working, ok. Rumina writer. I have nothing more to say to you that hasn't been said but if you ever want some sort of Climate document (i know climeat made a short one, but I can try to build off it.) or help with your volcanos in particular, I am here. I am the v7 rep, pleasure.

>>40712973
Thx!! That would be very nice!! Nice to meet you too!!

>>40712339
I see. That's actually good in fact. In either of those it'd still rain/snow, right? I've seen some spots of the movies and I feel like that would fit well into where /wAIfu/ should be. I may consider the diamond spots just for extra snow. There's also this place close to /uoh/, its the one that other anon mentioned, right? What about this one?

>>40712847
Fuck retro, he complains about others interfering in his continents shit and then dictates what can happen there or not.

Fanfics up

Proposed changes to the Tectonic plates around the indie continent. Red is the revised line, but this whole thing is different as next picture will show.

>>40718320
Before the proposed change.

>>40718320
>>40718365
Can I ask why?

>>40718320
>>40718365
was this over my islands?? i think they are ruined now aren't they... :(

>>40718537
nah, they'd be just a bit to the east, and just as volcanic as ever
this whole idea is dumb

>>40718563
I would like to know why ultimately... Not to mention, fucking with the plates doesn't seem like a good idea at all.

>>40718448
>This comes from me for my own personal selfishness in wanting the lines moved away to some bit so i can simply feel fine about the way some natural disasters would interact with my nation.

from what i understand the current placement of the archipelagio would have to be changed slithly anyway because it was on top of the fault line and thus this instead moves the faultline

and by the time it reaches voms the southern one can be pretty much back to where it was before anyway. this technicly wasn#t even finished yet but someone decided it should be discussed as is already.

the nation that i do fuck over with this is tsun in my selfishness, and i fully admit to that.

>>40718608
i mean, i also am fucked a little harder since i have the as a whole closer to me, yeah sure it doesn't cross through but it sure the hell is closer on the second peninsula.

>>40718537
no it wasn't, i'm not sure yet if the faultline is moved correctly but it should not affect them at all and if it does then that would be fixed before

and so far many people were allowed all kinds of changes in regards to their climates, their topography, their borders, adding additional islands etc. so i don't see why THIS now is the thing thats wrong and not allowed

>>40718608
Slighty?? its way out to sea now...

>>40718674
this wasn't finished and done yet, i don't really care for changes to it for others that would have 0 impact for me to begin with, i simply gave it a shot and talking with clocks about sense for it currently.

the final version wouldn't even be drawn by me to begin with most likely

Retro, you're fucking retarded

>>40718891
yes, and so are everyone else, welcome to 4chan

>>40718863
I don't want to hear about others did y so I will do y when others weren't literally changing plate tectonics. Who even has a magic climate anymore? Also
> i don't really care for changes to it for others that would have 0 impact for me to begin with
Fuck off, that really pisses me off that you think so little of us that you want to change it without even considering us at all.

>>40718863
>>40718769
SERIOUSLY!! but plate tectonics is not sometihng that one person can decide on and being selfish over it like this really rubs me the wrong way!!

>>40718960
Yeah thanks for upholding the double standard where everything is fine as long as its done by friends but fuck that guy over there.

what part about this proposal wasn't even finished yet don't you udnerstand? But sure i can already guess where this mindset comes from seeing the arguments and honestly with all the shit i was given the last 2 days from pretty much everyone i don't care about it.

and yeah sure thanks for all the consideration i was shown by you and others over the past in amny regards. clearly only i'm an asshole, no one else.

>>40719250
double standard? fucker, name me one time when anyone has ever done anything like this? I am not basing this off those arguements, solely here and now, name me one time close to this?

>>40719060
The selfish part would have been the proposal. none of this was meant to jsut be decided because i said so. i never said i get to set this in stone for everyone else.

but some of you rather spin your rrats annd make it out like i'm the shithead because clearly i have always pushed all kidns of things on others and never been one to say that decision come down to thread ever at all.

>>40719402
I have not said that, I am pissed over this. No headcanon about me.

>>40719402
Well, I will be selfish myself and say no because i dont like idea of changing plate tectonics at all...

>>40719366
man you are getting riled up over me making a change that isn't even finalised but was a proposal and the one psoted wasn't even menat as that either but was me having a conversation with clocks and trying different things, want me to post the all the other versions too that won't even become a proposal because they are dumb for onen reason or another? ask Z he got one too.

But thanks btw for riling up the squad and creating headcanons of your own about me for 2 days straight now based on a work in progress map that is not even showing the finished product about a proposal i wanted to make.

yeah sure you all are nice and considerate and not being dicks yoruselves right now by basing shit on that.

>>40719509
Mate, of course I am upset. I really don't like the idea of moving plates to begin with because it just will fuck with everything, but when you make it "well, everyone else did x, so i will do x" you lost me.

>>40719594
This is exactly why this is some BS double standard, i don't even get to make a proposal without getting shit on while others pretty much get freedom for anything else.

i don't see why messign with climate is different that this and why the plates should be off limits.

i wasn't even given a chance to work this out properly before this was thrown in

But be happy, i won't even attempt a proposal anymore because all of you have now already formed your opinion based on a work in progress that isn't even meant how it is because i wanted to minimise the impact as much as possible before thsi was done.

congratz for having given me a fair chance to proeprly work this out before and propose this fairly

>>40720006
What do you even mean? No one has "magic climate" any more. We fixed that shit. Plates are even worse because of how it changes minerals, landmasses and stuff. As for it being thrown here, mate, I would get pissed off regardless of the context, which was presented neutrally which is why I went >>40718448
I don't see a situation where anything that was said above changes at all.

>>40719593
I bet my ass no one said that and it's just him having a psychotic attack, again.

At some point, you've gotta respect the lack of medication.

>>40720283
yellow woman bad.

I never wanted to force anything just on my own. nor did i wannt to fuck over other nations enitrely for my own selfishness.

i wanted to make a proper proposal and before that wanted to work this out with clocks as to not mess with other nations as much as possible. and if after that the consens would still have been a big no for such a change i would have accepted that.

but i wasn't even given the chance for that and honestly i'm sick and tired of getting shat on for having concerns of my ownin regards to my nation. gettign accused oof wanting some perfect nation that is jsut a mary sue. that i just hate everyone and think its some big conspirarcy to fuck me over with my persecution complex and whatnot.

i said form the start that i don't mind typhoons, hurricanes or tsunamis affecting the nation and after iw as told more properly about the earthquakes neither did i for that

it was mainly about the volcanoes that i worried and i jsut simply didn't want.

i also had no issues killing beloved characters of mine before. i have written about the big issue of champs having to live with persecution in /vrt/ and it beign an issue. and i also have written about issues of my nation like having a shit land army or needinng to import metals in huge masses because of lack in our own nation for it.

i also yesterday vented because the double standards to many things some uphold are annoying. not jsut in regards to me but overall.

i find it absolutly disgraceful how rumina anon for example got treated for wanting to write a nation where he wants and having to go to great lenghts of explaining it beign plausible because of perceived headcanons of others.

same with people now being angry about me makign a proposal for a potential change and makign the argument that with other things others too could do as they pleased and no one ever abtted an eye about it either or cared about realism for it too. but sure the argument "X did Y so i want to do soemthing like Y too" is of course bad when it comes from someone thats not a friend of those people.

but as i said, i am done, i will deal with it and accept it. i won't bring this up anymore.

>>40720283
Aight, for the future, here's how you handle this shit.

"ey yo sorry that's a work in progress, we are still on the very early drafts and this wasn't meant to be posted yet, as it was not yet decided whether this is the final proposal. Ignore this for now, please."

You don't just delve into a discussion which very quickly becomes shitflinging. Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying this insanity, but if YOU want to accomplish anything, you don't start throwing shit, even if the other party is doing that.

>>40721544
I don't think he realizes that no matter what, this was turning into this.

>>40722068
It didn't have to. It started out as a completely normal discussion.

>>40722095
> i don't really care for changes to it for others that would have 0 impact for me to begin with
This couldn't have been worded worse without any context.

I always blame trip and avatarfagging.
It's usually the issue, if not pisscord.

>>40722140
ok buddy.

>>40722119
And why should he? Considering all the other people right from the start would put too much load on him with the changes and murk the proposal. That's why it's a proposal. So we can discuss it. Alright, so it fucks over this and that guy. OK, so let those guys discuss it with the OP and figure out a solution where they meet in the middle. Ffs, why do I have to be the voice of reason out of all the people?

>>40722178
I mean you compare before and after and things look real peachy on one end and real sour on the other.

>>40722318
You sure you want to go back to the times of 2-3 threads per day that were nothing but soc and funposting?

>>40722318
It was always like this, don't try to say otherwise.

>>40722318
this beats zoning timeloops any day of the week
which btw, were fixed by a tripfag

>>40722318
Man, i member the threads being off topic and full of this shit regardless

>>40722381
The socposting was never as bad as it was made out to be, in fact, I'd say it being replaced with drama posting is worse. I honestly don't know what you all meant by funposting but I'm pretty sure it still goes on and has a worse effect if we have the same definition.

>>40722581
Yes, all drama/soc/funposting is still going on, but it doesn't take up entire threads anymore like it did during the summer. We actually get some occasional lore discussions done. And no, drama posting never replaced anything, it just melded with the other two back then, so now that the majority of fun/socposting happens on the cord, it's that much more apparent.

>>40722310
>implying reason played a part in this at any step of the way
The fundamental idea that the tectonics fuck over the Retro Reich is faulty, and everything that followed thereafter is just... Silliness.
The RR is about 700 km from the plate boundaries. You don't get frequent earth shattering earthquakes this far from plate boundaries. Pyongyang and Shanghai are about 6-700 km from the japan plate boundary and the strongest earthquake in their history is about magnitude 6. Just about makes your books fall off the shelves. Meanwhile, cities in China much further from the boundary have gotten 7.8 magnitude shakes. Far enough for the fault, there's a fuckton of variance in how tectonic activity varies. If Retro doesn't want earthquakes that damage buildings, he can just write he doesn't get them and that's perfectly plausible. It's not like he was on the boundary, or on top of a supervolcano or something like that.

>>40722868
>faulty
heh

>>40722868
Well people shitflinging all kinds of stuff against him probably didn't exactly help his perception.

>>40722868
And all of that could be explained normally but the shitflinging started.

>>40722836
>it doesn't take up entire threads anymore like it did during the summer.
But they do, you could make the argument that they do so with less frequency but threads are easily just as volatile and bloated with these types of things, even more so when bolstered by the cord, which holds its own slew of obvious issues that do a good job of counter acting its benefits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QMbljylmZA
Akira?

>>40723154
>>40723149
He literally was told this ignored it and went to make his own fault line

>>40722868
well maybe next time people that actually know stuff should talk normaly with him instead of everyone jumping in to shit on him or post his proposal before him with no explanation given.

>>40723227
I know, I was the one who told him that.

>>40723263
Name the people, anon. His proposal wouldnt have been good no matter what.

>>40723263
>post his proposal without it being finished
Im sorry, but shouldnt he at least bring that up to the thread to discuss first?

>>40723263
Well, yeah, whoever did that also fucked up. A nice old-fashioned all-round fuck up.

>>40723419
Who cares who did that, he should bring it to the thread before anything.

>>40723461
Oh but that is too logical anon. All the confusion he made would be gone if he simply explained it before even proposing.

>>40723287
Multiple people told him. Not even just you, it was several.

>>40723461
>>40723394
I don't see how him finishing up a proposal and his reasoning for that first is wrong at all? It's not like it could have been discussed then. Throwing this in when it clearly was still worse than intended with no context clearly was not meant for proper discussion at all.

>>40723662
You really want to push it onto someone else kek. He literally wanted to changed tectonic plates and you want to blame that person. Fucking hell dude, its not that hard to figure out that even if he had it perfect he would still get similar responses.

>>40723772
Friends before reason, you know how it is

>>40723807
Yep, all that persons fault, couldnt be the whole rotten base of it at all.

>>40723662
>not ready for proper discussion
>plate changes
I dont think its wise to hide that behind walls like you are proposing.

>>40723200
i watched till now
QRD on the capybara?

>>40723847
>>40723807
>>40723772
Its clear that other person ruined his idea before it happened. That is despicable

>>40723394
>>40723461
>>40723772
>>40723951
You make it sound like he tried to hide this from all and secretly sneak the change into the rentry without anyone noticing before talking about it. Man are you desperate to make him out like the worst person ever.

>>40724093
>so desperate
No one is trying to dumbass. Its a fucking ridiculous idea to change the plates regardless and you really REALLY want us to seem unreasonable. Actually, Hello retro or retros vrt sockpuppet.

>>40724093
No one is claiming that.

>>40724173
>vrt puppet
Oh that's silly, you know who it is. It's not anyone new.

>>40724299
That guy isnt new to anyone, shocked he hasnt brought up who did it.

Twist: Retro did it himself and is using this fake person as a cover and excuse.

>>40724462
Its cunt, naturally there ya go.

>>40724579
Can confirm, it was cunt.
t. Cunt

>>40723200
>video is private
Fuck. What the hell was it?

>>40724999
Sex

Meatbro going to come in like usual saying “why does this happen while i am asleep.”

>>40725269
at this point Im worried about him

>>40725269
You joke but look at last thread. he popped in and Retro immediately stopped having baby tantrums.

move the fuck on. show is over and if anyone actual wants to say anything serious too my face then do so instead of throwing balls as anons in here. and anyone wanting to defend me by spinnign their own rrats also can go and take care of their own buisinnes, i can talk for myself

>>40725269

>>40726162
Everyone is anon though nanora.

>>40714902
it would both rain and snow in both, but in the neutral continent area, it would be snow less often. But not unheard of or rare.

That area is probably Oceanic of some kind or Humid Continental. Warmer than the tundra, slightly colder than the neutral continent area, so you'd get more snow. I think.

>>40726773
how are you holding up climeat bro?

>>40727686
I think I should stop posting unless people ask for my help in terms of climate stuff.

Just when I think I was done with the respiratory virus I get a bacterial sinus infection. Next week it'll be COVID again.

I for one love climeat!

>>40725269
OGsuner is gonna pop up saying he spent the whole day on the toilet taking a shit

I wonder if /vrt/'s animals and plants are more Eurasian or American.

>>40728575
did you ever figure out things for nasfaqg birds?
Have you seen the Vitubian Whales doc? What do you think of marine mammals?

>>40728575
Oh bread dog, do you wanna help with the lupumpkins? I'd like a lupumpkin analysis for my land.

>>40728646
/nasfaqg/ birds are pigeons aka rock doves. Climate's perfect for domesticated pigeons. I haven't seen the marine mamnal document yet. If we have mammals then marine mammals are obvious. I want to see if we have marine dinosaurs.

>>40728810
Thoughts on the Brapgul?

>>40728810
Have you seen the nasfaqgian flowfish?
https://rentry.org/vt-cetology
Here is the whale rentry, its pretty basic but got some interesting ones at the bottom

>>40702466
I'm still lurking about! Just a bad combo of being busy most of the time and a slow writer the rest of the time. But if you ever want to discuss something, just post about it and I'll reply sooner or later. I'm actually a lot more productive with when there's someone waiting for me on the other end, so if you need something from me, let me know and I'll make the time somehow!
>>40727957
I don't even know what my climate is supposed to be anymore tbdesu. Since now we have warm earth and cold earth theory floating around.

Heeeyyy Retro, sweetie. This one's for (You)

>>40728810
Pigeons aren't the only birds in /nasfaqg/ There's migratory birds like geese, ducks, albatross, gulls. There's even imported small parrots parakeets who are just nice pets to have. Maybe there's New Zealand type birds like kiwis but I don't know how detailed /nasfaqg/'s natural history is.

>>40728806
If they're like pumpkins then you can look up pumpkin farming. Anywhere winter squash can grow pumpkins can grow too. Just need a wet and dry season in a place not too hot.

>>40728810
I like doves... thanks!

>>40729078
thanks alice, very cool

>>40729093
Pigeons are doves. Also thought about making pigeons gold colored but I need more research into diet and feather colors.

>>40729088
>If they're like pumpkins then you can look up pumpkin farming.
No but you're supposed to do that while I sit on my ass.

>>40729078
Begone female!

of all the anons to thirst over, why retro? Why not me???

>>40729170
Golden pigeons sound kinda cool

>>40729199
Well with that attitude you can educate yourself.

>>40729037
Happy to know you are still with us then! On some weird level ive missed seeing you around. Its a lonely corner of the world

>>40729370
Not rapeable or schizo enough, sorry

>>40729504
Femanons want that schizo seed

>>40729723
Raving madmen fuck the best, just ask Rasputin.

>>40729370
Don't worry Pink man's tulpa number 74, you'll find a femanon to post tits for you eventually.

>>40729723
Now it all makes sense with pp

>>40729970
PP is a femanon?!

>>40730104
You didn't know?

>>40729037
>now we have warm earth and cold earth theory floating around
I really hate how it has become like this, and the worst part is that I also know neither is going to help the situation. Sometimes I think we really should have gone with the magical patchwork climate to begin with, since at least that one can actually give people what they want, instead of leaving people confused and unsatisfied.

>>40730183
No. Fuck you. Fuck you for even suggesting that.

>>40730183
They are just the interpretations born from humane error, and I think they should be voted upon, or at least, it should be acknowledged that either is fine to use. We need a solution of some kind.

>>40730554
>they should be voted upon
When we know either proposal would have meant multiple active contributors have to either change their country's climate or accept that they have some kind of abnormality?
>it should be acknowledged that either is fine to use
The result of that would just be basically an inferior version of just letting people pick whatever climate they want. They are about as consistent as each other anyway, and at least random patchwork is going to make more people happy.
>We need a solution of some kind.
Well, that is the solution I am most in favour of, but I doubt it would be popular even though what we have now is hardly an improvement over it.

>>40730819
what we have currently is still within the realms of "somewhat consistent" patchwork imbecilic magic climate would be like taking a shit on the project

>>40730880
I don't know why you would think my climate map is not taking a shit on the project already.

>>40729483
That it is! I've got a story I'm slowly chipping away at, so expect that sometime in the next decade probably but oftentimes I find myself at a bit of a loss on what I should be doing.
Also, hello to all our new anons! I'm curious what our relationship with /rumina/ is like since we are in a similar boat to /nasfaqg/ of being holoworshipper-adjacent. From what I remember, there was some idle speculation about what was going on at the time of the yab and a moment of silence for the fallen as stories featuring Rushia were dropped for a while when the news broke, though the black sheep of our thread did release a cuckdead story at one point.
The addition of /wAIfu/ is also interesting since /wg/ isn't too keen on that thread. The clash of two different writing styles, I suppose. We even lost one of our more prolific writers to the "dark side". So definitely some interesting developments between Writhaven and our new nations!

So what's the problem now? Hunting monsters, so I've only been glancing over.

>>40730972
depending on which map we are talking about, it is consistent and would be reasonably accurate if not for the weird pole shifting and projection shenanigans that occurred in the spring

>>40731059
Mostly that we have two climate models that are not really compatible with each other beyond the tropics and strips of overlapping climate zones.

>>40731099
Yes, but I do not sus dropping either the pole shift or the 3.0 map any time soon, so that is a moot point.

>>40731181
Its not a moot point. The map has merit, its a good map given the circumstances it was made in. And its accurate with the "hot planet" approximation

Really, I think the earth-like climate should be mapped out and the two should be compared to see where they differ and how much and which interpretation is the most workable to most people.
And for those it isnt, we should figure out what workaround are possible

>>40731361
>The map has merit, its a good map given the circumstances it was made in.
Maybe you would be correct in that regard if said circumstances are still applicable to the project as is. The point of the hot planet approximation is to retroactively justify that, but not everyone is fine with that either. I also no longer feel like telling people whenever they ask how said approximation is going to change their climate when the whole point of it is not having to change their climate.
>we should figure out what workaround are possible
Like handwaving it?

>>40731181
So let's decide on one. Compile all the info for each of them, in a nice and readable format, present the pros and cons, show some maps,... and then once everyone is on the same page, hold a vote on which one we should follow. Some might need to revise their lore somewhat, but it's not like we are strangers to that.

>>40731558
you are being too harsh on the map. It is objectively speaking a fine work. The consistency in it is what is important.
>handwaving
ideally not. I am hopeful there are other, better solutions to things

Either way, just sweeping things under the rug and pretending that they dont exist does not work, and i for one would hate to see your apathy over the situation lead to the destruction of one of the most soulful parts of the project

>>40725269

Meat bros, is it gay to want to eat your homies?

>>40732739
you dont take little goodnight snacks off of your bros? whats wrong with you

>>40729078
Wait a sec, these are just saved from a twitter account aren't they?

>>40731796
>Compile all the info for each of them
To be honest, I don't know if I can do that in good conscience, knowing the implication should it actually be accepted.

>>40731869
What is the point of consistency when it is only true in certain circumstances? If you give me half a dozen different planets to work with, I can probably come up with one that matches any given country's current climate, but there is no point in it if said half a dozen perimeters cannot be reconciled with each other.
>ideally not. I am hopeful there are other, better solutions to things
Yes, it's called getting them to accept the changes we randos tell them to. I doubt that would go over well if the last few threads are of any indication.
I would say I am past the point of apathy long ago. It is more like full-blown antipathy since I have realised too late the terrible implication of what I did, and I fail to see there are satisfactory solutions to it. Isn't that what the point of this whole thread is? To have fun creating?

>>40734633
Why?

>>40734893
Where do I begin? /yah/ moving down to where RuMiNa is? /who/ being more like southern France than northern France? The northern half of /uuu/ being a tundra? Same for southern half of /kr/ when half of /vnug/'s lore is built upon it being a taiga? Half of /hag/ being a taiga despite haganon making it clear that it is not desirable?
The sad part is that the current Earth model is not completely without merits either. For one, /nasfaqg/ and /mep/'s desired climate lined up better with that, and I can probably find a few others that might prove more desirable if I delve deeper. It means that if we ever have to pick one to apply to the whole planet, it would just cause more frustration no matter which one we chose.

>>40735784
So that would be the colder planet option, what about the warmer planet option?

Is it really that hard to just make a climate and then tell everyone to just stick to it? I don't think its that hard.

>>40735976
The same as what I had made, because that is the point: we assume the planet's perimeter is different in a way where my climate map would make sense.

>>40737134
Yes, telling them it is our way or the highway is easy. It is just that I can see three responses:
>accept it
People change their climate to conform to the map, even though it is not the kind of climate they prefer.
>ignore it
Which brings us back to the current inconsistencies and climate patchwork.
>leave
Which would drive off contributors active enough to make the issue relevant in the first place.
None of the options seems like an improvement over what we have, especially if we keep the point of it being a place where we can have some fun on /vt/ for a change in mind.
The province system was meant to remedy that, since it would allow people to pick where their country should be for matching climate, but it would not solve the issues for preexisting countries unless they want to move, and that probably will just bring us back to the pre-Nuefag days even if we assume people are fine with dropping their existing lore to facilitate the move.

>>40738771
So basically what we need to do is tardwrangle ourselves better and not change our climates to suit whatever we want.

>>40740873
Maybe, but isn't the point of this thread having fun creating stuff?

Yellow woman good?

>>40740873
I vote for /who/ getting sent to somewhere interesting. Anyone who agrees say I.

>>40741233
I

>>40741072
Fun can still be had even if there are rules in place.

So this and the interactive map are the two climate models being discussed right?

>>40741530
Not really. We want to even move tectonic plates now

>>40741644
Yes, and that's an example of a rule that ain't getting bent, as was seen. So let's make climate another rule like that. What was that saying founder used to say? Predicaments breed creativity or something like that.

>>40740873
Man, I feel like someone said that before....

I have not seen any bitching about not having a preferred climate. If any bitches would like to bitch, show yourself.

>>40742438
i just want to know which ones were sticking with. Do i get teak or oak trees dammit

>>40742553
You'll get a desert and be happy with it. Climeat, get on it!

>>40742553
>>40742636
What he said. Desert bitch...

>>40742005
Predicaments might breed creativity, but I am not sure if that means it is a good idea to impose predicaments on others.

>>40742553
No trees rrat

>>40742761
The best lore comes from it. If you cant accept it, you shouldnt be part of the project.

>>40742761
If it will result in a consistent world, then I do think it's worth it.

>>40742553
OG why do you insert yourself into these conversations when you know you are fine? Is it just the attention?

>>40742761
I'd rather have a consistent and articulate climate that makes sense generally all around than get rid of that interesting aspect of the world for the sake of "creativity" which might and probably wont result in lore good enough to justify the cost.

>>40743111
>is it just attention
Did you really need to ask?

>>40742553
I think /risu/ will have oak in either case since oak is a fairly diverse genus that covers pretty much the entire range of broadleaf trees, just that their nuts might not have the archetypical nut appearance.

>>40742895
>>40742896
I have since doubted that, to be honest. While consistency might be good, I don't know if it is worth potentially driving off people. I also don't know if I would want to accept the idea that limitations should be imposed to encourage workarounds, or that I should make the judgement of what lore is "worthy" so to speak.

>>40742636
>>40742660
>>40742814
got it, lots of trees and nice wood.
>>40743111
i wanna know the climate.

>>40743455
>I don't know if it is worth potentially driving off people.
I wholeheartedly doubt that any of the fuckers currently in the project are so spineless as to run away because their climate changed a bit, but that's just me.
If we don't eventually make a decision on this, it will continue festering, just like how the old country system did, before the province system was put into place. Newfags would simply be told that the spot they choose would have the climate that it has on the map, and that they cannot change that. If they want a different climate, they can always pick another spot. And oldfags would know what and how to fix their lore if corrections were needed, it's not like we are strangers to changing lore.
See, simple. So stop worrying so much and let's make a comprehensive list of what would change.

>>40738771
The thing is anon, I think there's even more of a disagreement than you lay out here. Because there are anons who draw enjoyment from their nation and the world all having one internally consistent climatology, that's one of the fun aspects of worldbuilding, to them. Those are the people that the current uncertain status quo puts aside. Can writers in that group also be accommodated? I think at least we should be able to give them an answer if they ask "what kinda climate should I have if I want to be consistent with most of the rest of the project?"
If there are people who adamantly want to have a climate that follows different rules, I guess that's their prerogative. I'm not sure there's anyone currently in the project who would leave over something like this, though.

>>40711495
Nice work! A bit terrifying for me but I can’t wait to see more

>>40743927
I will personally drive those spineless fuckers out of the project.

Meat bros, there's a lot of talk about how different fanbases interpret sex in their culture and how the sexualization of a chuuba translates into the universe and such.
Does Akira's intense sexual libido have any place in the current culture, I've noticed other ryona chuubas tend to share in this but Akira seems to be a special case.

>>40744687
You couldn't drive a fucking shopping cart down the isle, much less drive those guys off.

>>40711495
>Slavery is forbidden
The holodeath is real...

>>40743927
Fine, I suppose it would not be fair for me to deny people's choices regardless of my own stance on said choice. I will see what I can do. The resolution would be low though since I don't think we have a height map for 3.0.

>>40745123
Yes I could, they get offended and start to cry if you tell them they can't have a tropical paradise in the middle of a tundra.
It's not hard.

>>40746670
Low resolution is more than fine, it's just to have an idea. The finer detail map is probably best created as needed per-thread, using the low-res map as a basis. Thanks anon!

>>40746670
See I knew you had it in you! And don't worry about it being low res, we can make a higher res one once I get back to making the 3.0 height map.

>>40746670
Yeah it really is to let people get a general idea of how the two different scenarios differ. Doesn't need to be super accurate too. Ganbare.

clear

New administrative regions map, I basically just translated it from the shitty place holder I had made a few months ago, I really need help with this, both with making it more realistic and with making the borders cleaner.
I'm also struggling a lot with city placement, I'd say that's currently where I need the most help.

>>40749920
Here's the climate map. Really the biggest factor of consideration for the capital should be political and military. The Western part that's Cfb should also be where the wealth and population are overwhelmingly concentrated.

>>40752023
Oh this helps out a ton, honestly I'm glad I based off most of the agriculture on potatoes.
I do plan on having most big cities on the west, with a few very important industrial cities on the east alongside the smaller settlements. I'm just having trouble actually placing shit on the map on a way that looks and feels correct.

>>40749920
Maybe kind of like this? River valleys and alluvial plains can host lot of population and that's where most of the population should be. Hills and ridges should also serve as separators of the provinces. The Raika is the artery of the country so provincial capitals are probably located quite near it. The East is quite pastoral but the Northern most territory still has some good farmlands and climate near that river plain going into /uuu/ so the placement is kind of like Canada and specifically Alberta. Of course this is just a place holder. Orange is major cities, red is the regional capital, blue dot means it's a port. Capital is self-explanatory.

>>40753377
This does look pretty good to me.
I do figure that the way the east can have larger mining cities is by having them import food by using the rivers.
The border with Hoshiyomia in the west would also probably have a large amount of smaller towns as a result of trade I imagine. I guess the real difficulty of all of this is figuring out just how many cities and population centers should actually be mapped out and not just ignored.

>>40753377
>>40754481 (me)
Also, from what I read, the DwB weather allows for agriculture, as is shown in the administrative division of vladivostok
Dfc can also allow for agriculture, from what I'm reading off of google about the finnish countryside. So those zones could still hold some important population centers. Sure, less populated, but still important.
The main push towards the east I imagine would be the hunger for mining materials like Iron and other things.

>>40747102
https://rentry.org/cold-turkey

>>40729078
Holy shit i didnt know this place has horny femanons!

>>40711495
>tell me how you like it !!
I like it a lot

>>40741621
No, that one is also pre-polleshift

urgh

NO

>>40756585
Damn you work fast. OK, we got the document, now it's just about starting a discussion around it. We'll get this sorted out once and for all.

>>40744384
<3 but what's scary??
>>40745151
Yes.. it is!!
>>40759089
What did you like??

>>40711495
Great work sweetie. I love your style and moxie a lot. It all paints a lovely picture and I am proud of you!

>>40765807
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 Thx!!

>>40765599
>>40765807
>>40765868
Out of pure curiosity, why do some of you talk like that?

>>40756585
Prepared a few questions and objections. If you could, answers and discussion would be appreciated.
Also, thank you for giving the thread a chance to discuss this whole debacle.

>1. North-Western and Northern Ailivia - Objection
Would continentiality not in this area be high enough to plausibly justify a Dfc or a Dfd climate? And with /uuu/, the area is still under the influence of a rather strong warm current.
>2. /kr/ - Objection, Question
Would there not be a transition zone of D_ _ between the Cfb/c and ET?
How would the southern /kr/ change if we assume the warm ocean current to the south-east is strong enough to overpower its own countercurrent, removing the influence of a cold current from the southern /kr/? This is a plausible possibility.
>3. Western Neutral Continent - Question
Why is the area south-west of hfz mediterranean and not oceanic? Why is the area south of them oceanic instead, even though intuitively that area should be drier than the northern area?
>4. Middle Hagu - Objection
How is Dfa an option? Given the latitudes and currents, id assume Dfb/Dfc
>5. Fetish Continent in general - Objection
Feels too continential. Given the massive presence of ocean around the area, why would this areas not plausibly be Cfc, or at least have a mixture of D_ _ and Cfc
>6. Nijicontinent - Question
Why is NijiJP all aw/m and part of it not just Am? Furthermore, why does the Cwa in NijiEN reach the other side and it not being Cfa for example

Lastly, you mention having a weather pattern simulation of some sort? Is there anything you could share about it, this sounds extremely interesting to me.

>>40767291
Because this is how I talk, sorry mate. Idk about them, but i just talk that way.

GENTLEMEN! I HAVE 5-6 HOURS BEFORE MY SHIFT SO WHATS UP YOU SEXY FUCKERS!

>>40765868
hey rumina anon, i jsut wanted to apologize too you in particular about all the shit from the last few days.

know that i never wanted any of my shit to negatively affect you or come off as foorbidding you your islands. i'm sorry if this got you mixed up to some degree and might have brought you hardships.

i also can understand that you might not want to interact with me in particular anymore but i hope that it has not soured your interactions with others because there are a many good people here. this whole thing plus things outside the thread just made me really stressed out and it wasn't exactly the best of time for me.

https://rentry.org/2ziyd
i wanted to show you and the /yah/ writer this proposal and tried to make it in a way that you have the spotlight and freedom to write your involvement as freely as you want but if i soured the idea for you and you want nothing to do with that anymore than i can udnerstand.

all in all, i just wanted to apologize since i feel like i wronged you for no reason and a new writer shouldn't have to deal with that shit.

all right, thats all, don't want to interrupt whatever this is right now.

>>40769093
Discuss magic. In depth. Like down to the concepts that influence it.

>>40768193
You talk like a regular anon, hell, most people do. Even people like pg talk oddly but schizo long posts aren't unusual at all on this site.

>>40769375
Fuck. Im not a chuubanite autist. Im literally the MAGIC IS EVERYTHING guy.

>>40769434
Time to do your reps then. The rentry is right there. You got a few hours, said so yourself kke

>>40752023
There should be a dictator that declare eternal war with Hoshiyomia

>>40770002
I need more interesting lore

>>40769570

>>40769434
There's retarded
Then there's Risu Retarded

>>40771421
fuck you. Magic energy comes from the chuuba/space whatever the fuck. Energy goes to ground. Gets absorbed by trees/plants/nuts/gemstones. There you go.

>>40771603
More. Detail.

>>40771716
god dammit. You all really want me to go in on this dont you?

>>40771603
You've gotta be a special kind of moron to yell about magic and never once glance at any magical discussions or explanations.

>>40771753
Yes. Make newsuner proud.

Reminder that you don't need a degree to make magic, all you need is a lick of sense and a spine strong enough to tell pg to stop chewing out your ass if you don't want him to.

>>40771838
i dont yell. I meme. Do your reps.
>>40771894
Fuck it. Magical energy is absorbed and enhances growth of the plants. In the case of gemstones, they are absorbed and captured like a battery. Energy is then unleashed either slowly or rapidly via chemical reactions once triggered in the case of gems. IS that good enough?

>>40772105
Nope. You can go even deeper. You read the chuubanite rentry already? I will have you discussing concepts behind your magic whether you want it or not OG.

>>40772105
>i dont yell. I meme. Do your reps.
Close but no cigar. You repeat things cause your brain is a little too small for anything other than brain dead repetitions. Meme implies a bit of context at the very least, but I'll grant you that you don't necessarily need to have something going on upstairs to make them.

>>40772483
>>40772348
I will do it now. Baby niece is asleep anyway so I will read the chuubanite doc. Fuck it.

>>40768092
>1
My reasoning is that the northern coast of the Holo continent would likely be subjected to strong arctic wind from the large icecap covering the arctic landmass, which will lead to a summer too cold to be considered continental climate. You can probably argue that the /uuu/ peninsula can be subpolar oceanic climate (Cfc) instead due to the warm current, although I have my doubts about it spreading further than that. I also don't know why that warm current split into two off that peninsula.
>2
A transitional zone, if it exists, would be rather narrow there due to how thin the /kr/ peninsula is. It might be difficult to justify it having a warm enough summer and a cold enough winter at the same time to be Dfc. As for the gyre south of /kr/, I have my doubts about it doing much, since that warm current is warm only by comparison due to it being pretty much a subpolar current. It being stronger might spread the subarctic monsoon climate further west, but I don't know if it would have enough heat in it to power all the way to /kr/.
>3
I might have drawn that boundary a bit too south. Somewhere near 40-45 might be more reasonable. As for the oceanic climate south of it, it is mostly based on real life pattern, but is related to the colder weather reducing water evaporation that leads to wetter weather.
>4
Fair point, the continental climate can probably cover the whole coast, with the boundary to the subarctic climate going a bit further north.
>5
To be honest, I have always been a bit stuck with the climate classification of that long peninsula. I relied somewhat on the climate simulation I mentioned above, and the peninsula seems to go below freezing during its winter, hence it is listed as continental. That said, I can see a case for oceanic climate zones for that as well.
>6
Am and Aw are always present as a transitional zone between Af and C_a, although Am is more prominent in monsoonal regions. They are fairly similar in practice, and that is one of the reasons why I opted for listing both under the same category (the other being that of the low resolution - I separated them in the old map, and the result was not very satisfying since I missed some of the transitional zones). As for Cwa reaching the inland sea, that is a result of the Niji monsoon - during winter, the inland high pressure zone from the Lazulight-/haha/ highland will make offshore wind dominate the inland coast, while the reverse is true for summer. It can be debated whether the inland sea can generate enough moisture for a truly wet summer, so one can make a case for the coast being Cfa as well.

As for the simulation, I tried the free version of Clima-Sim a while ago. It is a fairly rudimentary tool (at least for the free version), but it provides some valuable information like temperature and temperature difference, which is useful in mapping high pressure zones and determining where monsoon would happen, but I also used it to work out some of the more unusual landmass' climate. It is by no means a very reliable tool, but it is better than nothing.

It should be stressed that I am by no means the sole (or even best) authority on climate zoning, and since this revision is based on current Earth perimeter, others should be able to go through the same logic to work out their own climate map that might differ from mine. It does not mean they would be wrong for that - if anything, they might actually be more true to real life than mine.

Fanfics down

If we're doing fantasy punk, can we make cooler rifles?

>>40773095
NTA, but thank you for your work on this and for addressing those points anon, this is immensely helpful. What are factors that drive the strength of an oceanic current? I assume the latitude through coriolis effects is the main factor, what about oceanic depth? If a current through deep waters is "forced" into a region with shallower water, would that increase the current's relative strength?

I think this is my history of what happens... but i will likely alter things...


Timeline:
973: First Trekkers (30,000) head off to the east with the fleet. Eruption of a Volcano is the sign. 974: They take the island of idk, which is still recovering from the volcano. Slaughter all peoples and Elijah declares this to be the holy land.
975: Second Trekkers (50,000) head to this new holy land.
976: All of the other islands are seized, second trekkers arrive.
977: Prophecy of the Betrayal is revealed to the Trekkers. Third Trekkers depart (35,000) Plans to take mainland prepare for next year.
978: Year of Betrayal and the start of the Great Migration. First landing on the mainland. This is where foreigners become officially involved. Third Trekkers arrive.
979 to 983: Mainland captured totally as more and more Rushians flee.
986: Great Migration over with 1.4 million taken over to their new home, with even more dying.

>>40778609
How does this make sense with what you have?

>>40778609
Looking good, tho I would personally reduce the size of the first trekkers expedition, 30k seems a bit much. Unless of course that was the first wave of migrants from /rushia/, then disregard this and the next point.
If that wasn't the case and it's an exploratory expedition, I would also maybe push the 2nd expedition back a few years, 2 years seem kinda short.

And lastly, I thought we came to the conclusion that you wouldn't be claiming the entire archipelago until after /yah/ fell, with a constant struggle between you two for control of the island. I could be misremembering tho, that thread was a bit of a clusterfuck.

>>40779213
>>40779237
Im editing it already.
972: First Trekkers (5,000) head off to the east after signs of what is to come is shown to a charismatic man named Elijah who is divinely inspired by Rushia who tells him of a near disaster but an even brighter future..Eruption of a Volcano is the sign.
973: They take the island of idk, which is still recovering from the volcano. Slaughter all peoples and Elijah declares this to be the holy land.
973: Rushia Yab
976: Second Trekkers (25,000) head to this new holy land, they arrive
977: Prophecy of the Betrayal is revealed totally to the Trekkers. Islands seized. Third Trekkers depart (35,000) Plans to take mainland prepare for next year.
978: Year of Betrayal and the start of the Great Migration. First landing on the mainland. This is where foreigners become officially involved. Third Trekkers arrive.
979 to 983: Mainland captured totally as more and more Rushians flee.
986: Great Migration over with 1.4 million taken over to their new home, with even more dying.

>>40779345
Seems good now, numbers make more sense, no further comments from me, good job!

>>40779431
Still working!! Thx.

>>40779431 me
Actually, one minor detail that I would personally add would be months to some of these events. No need for exact dates but stating at least the month helps set it more on the timeline imo.

>>40779571 also me
For example
>976, February: Second Trekkers (25,000) head to this new holy land, they arrive in July.

>>40779670
>>40779571
Yeah! I am adding details as I go along right now. I have a plan for the First Trek to be peaceful until a certain incident happens on the island.

>>40780031
Nice, more details are always nice. Just make sure you don't bloat it too much.
Ahh, a conflict between foreigners and locals because of a perceived slight due to cultural differences, a tale as old as time!

>>40773095
>I also don't know why that warm current split into two off that peninsula.
Its because fluid mechanics are very complex, and modeling then pseudo-accurately takes away from the usefulness of the map. The ocean current map is there to show an easily understandable, but very simplified image of how the currents would affect different areas.

You could thing of that split as modeling a loss of coherence for the ocean current. It becomes less defined as a singular current and breaks off into multiple small ones that furthermore mix together in various ways.

Pic related, its a very rough approximation of how the ocean currents may look like if detailed. I did not think about the arrow colours much, so dont take them as factual. The point is merely to show how currents move.
Below is a real world example of a comparable current - the Gulf Stream evolving into the north atlantic drift (current), with arrow colours that should be familiar. The cold current coming in from the north is the Labrador current.
https://files.catbox.moe/5m1wxt.png

Another example, of what may be happening north and west of /uuu/. Norwegian current fading and evolving into what I believe is the transpolar drift stream, as well as contributing to the east greenland current.
https://files.catbox.moe/0aixsc.png

>>40777421
Do you define strength by velocity, or volume?
Latitude through coriolis effect is a major factor, but surface winds also drive them, as do of course, other currents. Various other factors also come to mind, water density and salinity. Ocean floor topology can steer currents, just the same as continents can.
I suppose if you took a lot of water and squeezed it through a smaller gap, it would move faster, but in total the same volume of water as enters the gap would come out the other side. You increase velocity, but not volume.

>>40780319
Timeline:
969: Prophet Elijah is shown signs of what is to come is shown to a charismatic man named Elijah who is divinely inspired by Rushia who tells him of a near disaster but an even brighter future. He preaches his word and gathers 10,000 followers by 971. The news of a Volcano erupting is the sign.

May. 971: First Trekkers (10,000) head off to the east.
They aren’t militant at first, but things change that. Their leaders are Elijah as the religious leader (Who becomes the First Patriarch) and Heraclius Argead, a Charismatic Knight who serves as the secular leader (Who becomes the first King).

August. 971: Land at the island of Argead (This is where the Knight gets his surname), things go along fine at first until the wife of Heraclius is kidnapped and raped by the King of the Island (Dec 971), Aristophane.
A battle occurs where the King is slain by Heraclius in single combat (Jan 972), and the zeal of the Trekkers overcomes their large opponent. As revenge for the sacrilege, the entire island’s population is killed. (By June 972).
Word is sent back home which arrives in November.

Feb 973: Russia Yab which causes the other trekkers to believe, second and third expeditions are organized.

March 974: Second Trekkers (25,000) head to this new holy land in May. Arrive in Agread in September, and conquest of the other islands are started. Third Trek organized.

975:
Third Trekkers (35,000) depart in March and arrive in July.
Rest of Islands are taken (October).
The full Prophecy of the Betrayal is revealed to the Trekkers in October after islands fall. They try to send word back, but it is too late.
The plan to take the mainland is prepared.

976: Year of Betrayal and the start of the Great Migration (Feb 24th).
First landing on the mainland (April 24th).
This is where foreigners become officially involved.

977 to 983: Mainland captured totally as more and more Rushians flee.

986: Great Migration over with 1.4 million taken over to their new home, with even more dying.

>>40780730
Retro refused the volcanos and had a plan for you anyways. You should work with him

>>40781331
And we have explained to him that the likelihood of an eruption affecting vrt is next to zero, and that even if they did, he simply doesn't have to write about it. But you are right, ruminanon, retro posted something for you and yahanon a bit up in the thread.

>>40780730
Blah blah blah, where is my man ORCA?

>>40781331
I am sorry!! But i need to focus on my own ideas first before outside factors are considered. I made a mistake earlier with that and i dont want to repeat it until i am on the map and ready!!

>>40781542
But he made it clear he wasnt ok with it. Thats the problem.
>>40781630
Thats fine, just no volcano. Sorry.

>>40781594
Dead, gone forever.

>>40781707
Where does it say ruminarep cant have a volcano?
Fuck, given the location of the islands they HAVE to be volcanic, essentially

>>40781707
As i said, I am not worrying about others right now and will get rid of it if it is a bother!!

>>40781820
ORCA is the strongest, all kneel to him. He guides the people of Rushia to the new land and parts the seas with his gift subs.

>>40781827
Did you not see how much he was against volcanos, so much that he wanted to move the plates themselves to avoid them? This is a group project and his concerns are valid as his nation would go to hell if any ash landed in it.
>>40781880
Oh and also what about holodead? Deadbeats and fandead are friends after all. I just want an answer on this, not lore related but how your nation sees them.

>>40781972
Did you miss the whole part about how his entire reaction to the volcanoes was an overreaction and that the existence of volcanoes is not that bad at all?
Or did you perhaps forget the fact that that area has volcanoes to begin with, ruminarep isnt adding any fundamentally new features there

>>40781972
I dont know!! They were our friends so perhaps we feel decently about them but i cannot give a breakdown of our feelings on them at all without more things done.

>>40782063
The islands are new features though. They never existed until now and thus his concerns are justified. How would you feel if Krakatoa went off right next to you? This is a first here and worth noting. I dont want the precedent of natural disasters from one nation being allowed to effect others without consent

>>40782088
Why not??

>>40782168
I dont have diplomatic relations yet… srry…

>>40782163
Who said it is next to him or Krakatoa?

>>40782163
The island existed there, it is the large one in map 3.0, now broken into many smaller ones because it makes more sense that way. That island too, was 99% certainly volcanic. As is the mainland west of them, most likely.
Id be fine with Krakatoa going off next to me, although there is no saying these islands are Krakatoa.
The volcanoes are not going to affect retro in any meaningful way. Its a nonissue

>>40782202
I mean you can just say what your relations are based off of the chuubas, Mori was okay with Rushia when she left and Mori has good connections with Vshojo who Nazuna now belongs to, it's cool!!

>>40782319
how bout we dont pressure the newfags yet mr.anon

>>40782273
But he said no. His opinion matters as much as Rumina anons so it needs to be considered and prefered if anything since of how important he is to this project. It would be like Mans detonating a supervolcano off morig.

>>40782373
> It would be like Mans detonating a supervolcano off morig.
lmao
no

>>40782345
I'm not pressuring him!! I'm just telling them it's alright to make friends...

>>40782319
Pls dont pressure, i dont even know their writer!!

>>40782395
I feel like /mans/ already did that in a meta sense

>>40782373
>how important
Everyone is of equal importance.

>>40782425
I'm sorry...I just wanted to let you know you could have them as an ally if you wanted.

>>40782395
Idc he said no so that needs to be respected.

>>40782490
Hah, no

>>40782526
This is the deadbeat writer, nazuna anon.

>>40782526
>>40782572
If it is, very nice to meet you!!

>>40782273
Nta but retros voice matters equally here regardless since his fears are valid to him.

>>40782679
Imagine telling scientists that a volcano cannot erupt because someone is afraid of it. That’s essentially what you are saying.

>>40782769
This isnt irl, this is a group project.

>>40782572
There's a few of us. I haven't done my reading reps in a couple days, too busy with monster hunter, is /morig/ relevant to /nazuna/ in some way (beside the obvious)? Their writer can reach out to /morig/ in his own time, there's no rush. Given the distance, I think our contact would be limited, besides some refugees we welcomed during the yab.
>>40782623
Hello!

>>40782839
<3

>>40782820
You drove him away anyways, so why does it matter?

>>40782820
>>40782923
You're both retarded, stop posting and do 200 pushups.

>>40782572
its obviously not kek

>>40783185
Had its intended effect, didnt it?

>>40782373
Oh my now there's an idea...

>>40783738
>risu gets hit
Oh my indeed.

>>40783805
>supervolcano
everyone gets hit

>>40783946
Risu is the only nation that will start a timeloop though

>>40780380
>Do you define strength by velocity, or volume?
I guess in the current situation, the relevant measurement is the heat carried by the water. My thought is that a faster current would carry warm water farther, since it spends less time being cooled down. I think a faster, more directional current would also mix less with neighbouring water currents, which would affect how much it cools down too. Does this sound plausible?

>>40780730
Phone almost dead, so I'll be quick with this. Looking good, the only comments would be about the followers of the first expedition, and island ownership again. If Eliah gathered 10k followers, I feel it would make sense for some to be left behind on the mainland before venturing out to sea. Ya know, so that while they are out there securing the promised land, the ones left behind can further spread his word to gather even more influence and followers.
And not all the islands remember? Want to give something for yahanon to play with, as well as giving you both a shared conflict to interact over. I'm watching your sneaky ass, trying to get them all for yourself. Not on my watch!

Other than that, looking good! Also will be expecting a story of the first trekkers and their arrival on Argead in the future, I have a feeling that would be kino!

>>40783805
The fallout casually passes over moriji and dumps its entire load down on Risu.

>>40784116
I will break all the rules!!

new bread?