/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>4060520
In the Nijisanji thread loving the collab.

>>4060520
Why would you watch females in a male dominant vtuber company?

>>4060520
>>4060629
Manjisanji

They're just untalented compared to HoloEN. There was a reason their apps were rejected.

>>4060559
fpbp

>hololive
2 cunny
>nijisanji
no cunny

as least give me the chance to UOOOOOOOHHHHH on chat nijisanji

>>4063615
You've clearly never watched them.

>>4063773
I have. And they suck.

>>4060520
NijiEN...

Just had 2 threads archived at 1500 replies

Holofag here, lets exchange pomu for kiara please?

>>4063795
>Watching reddit meme review
the absolute state of this board

>>4060520
NUMBERS

NUMBERS

>>4063787
It takes 5 seconds of watching their debuts to see what excellent singers Pomu and Elira are. You don't need to lie on the internet for 4chan gold, I promise.

>>4060520
>>4060559
we were busy hitting our threads 1500 reply limit >>4031112

Go ahead and have your bait thread to hate on nijisanji.

>>4060629
>>4061306
Fuck off as well.

>>4060559
also this

>>4060520
>haha look they don't have a bunch of underage and SEAnigger viewers
oh no...
anyway

>>4063747
No cunny = instant failure

That's why NijiIN failed

>>4064000
View and subcount don't lie.

I haven't watched nijiEN but aren't they all seanigs or something? Wouldn't they want to get americans or europeans at least. As it is nijiEN has a real nijiID feel.

>>4064546
They don't lie about how many people are aware they exist, sure.

>>4064546
Views and subcount have fuck all to do with talent
>>4060520
Niji is late to the punch everyone thats open to watching vtubers in the west is already attached to hololive.

those aren't even the worst numbers
they do better than anya atleast

>>4063919

>>4064590
You heard wrong, they're all in the US.

>>4060520
How does Pomu have more live viewers but less subs than Fish?

>>4064891
Susan NERFed Pomu's subs at the beginning, Fish actually used to be the least subbed.

>>4060520
I can give you two reasons.

1. They are females trying to break into a fanbase that only watches males. They are called Manjisanji for a reason.

2. Manjisanji fans are super fucking elitist and any western fans that the company does have are probably the kind that would refuse to watch them just because they aren't Japanese.

I don't like their future prospects

>>4063773
Not sure about that anon, but I was here defending the green fish until her debut (have to give them a chance), but just wasn’t impressed. I think the problem is it’s getting so competitive now, with so many to choose from. You got to choose.

>>4060520
I knew they should have had Wolfgang in the EN lineup.

>>4060520
im waiting for gen 2 before i decide to support them, if there's male, i will never touch this brand.

>>4064938
yeah but that happened to elira too yet she already got her subs back.

>>4064945
Fuck the hell off you piece of shit.

>>4060520
there are none

>>4065033
It's one thing to pick and choose which vtubers you like, it's another thing entirely to shit on vtubers you only have a surface level awareness of. Not that you're doing that but you get the idea.

>>4065449
>the hated him for telling the truth

I like that the autist in /jp/ who used to tell everyone "DURR FUCK OFF" anytime someone tried to talk in the Niji thread over there has now migrated to /vt/ just to bitch and cry that no one is watching his EN vtubers for some reason.
Rich.

>>4065525
Meds.

>>4065449
i mean... is he wrong?

>>4065449
Jeez man, I wasn't even being combative

>>4065503
This

>>4065592
That's cute coming from an actual schizoid but you forgot to tell me to fuck off. Maybe if you weren't such an obsessive autist, there would have been more people willing to watch the EN branch.

>>4065604
About the manjisanji thing at least absolutely. The only way you could make the argument that nobody watches females in Nijisanji is if you think everybody needs to make Gura's numbers to be watched. And checking on warosu, the first recorded usage of the term "manjisanji" was *yesterday*. This guy is trying to force a term he himself invented.

>>4064803
lmao ! shut that dude up REAL quick.

>>4065752
>First time anybody has used manjisanji was yesterday
Not a chance. Try looking up "mansanji instead of manJIsanji". I have heard that many times around here.

>>4066079
I just checked. The first recorded usage of mansanji was... may 17th. Less than a week ago. Almost like the people forcing the meme that people only watch the Nijisanji males are complete newfags. Huh.

>>4060520
Busy watching stream & backlog archives

>>4065752
today i will remind them

Hima, 1 year ago @ ~9k, now ~3k.
Shiina, 2 years ago @ ~9k, now ~4k.
Sasaki, 1 year ago @~14k, now ~7k.

>The only way you could make the argument that nobody watches females in Nijisanji is if you think everybody needs to make Gura's numbers to be watched
it's not about making gura's number, it's about the fact that their female streamer are reclining at alarming rate.
nobody wants to admit that Mansanji is a thing, but the evidence is hard to dismiss. The traditional Otaku is leaving Nijisanji while the Fujos are taking over which is why the males dominate Niji now. The Otaku has moved over to Hololive
not separating the male and female into separate branch like holostar & hololive is nijisanji biggest mistake

>>4066205
7k is more than a lot of Hololive members regularly get. Meds.

>>4064590
No one in SEA stream in those hours retard. It's fucking 2 a.m in SEA timezone

>>4060520
Perhaps don't go head to head with fucking Gura several times in a row?

>>4060520
>where are the nijisanji fans?
thats been the question from day 1

Truth be told, I'm actually surprised NijiEN didn't get nearly as much popularity. I was really expecting some big numbers after their debuts.
I'm sure they're doing just fine either way... right?

>>4066467
They've eclipsed almost all other non-JP branch members in just one week, I think that's doing fine.

>>4066309
They can't do anything Cover is actively trying to fuck them over right now

>>4065752
>>4066136
I saw it from that guy larping as a japanese 2ch user

>>4066205
>>4065644
>>4066205
Ah go fuck yourself. You think I don't know it's you trying to carry that bs into every single nijisanji thread? And even if it isn't, it doesn't matter, you're using that stupidity.

FFS, you all only talk about fucking numbers. It's like you all can't be normal fans, it has to be this trolling, numberfagging, tribalfag and all this all the time.

> not separating the male and female into separate branch like holostar & hololive is nijisanji biggest mistake

That's probably fucking why there's successful vtubers on both genders unlike holo with holostars. You can't be serious, even more with your 3-4-7k argument when this is much above the standard of this industry. I fucking hate numberfaggers like you.

>>4066613
And you decided he was a person who's insight you should trust?

>>4066205
>Fujos are taking over
if this market is so inundated with fujos, then how come they don't kiss on stream like crossick?

>>4066574
nijiaEN keep streaming over each other, cover doesn't need to fuck them, they fucked themselves

>>4066309
>>4066574
There's so much times in a day. Are they going to not stream every time a hololive streamer is out? ffs, just watch the fucking stream instead of being awful about numbers.

>>4066467
You are surprised when they are niche in the west, really? If anything, them having those numbers in 1 week and having between 3-1k is already much more than normal. Only retards with delusional thinking and any context of the market and from nijisanji would think thhey are doing bad. If anything, it's great.

>>4066938
They aren't fucking themselves. They are doing great. Even more considering how nijisanji isn't nearly as popular as hololive in the wes and comparing the others in the market.

>>4066735
A 5ch user is a figure of authority for those retards. They don't think that it's no different than any retard in here. It's just a random jp and they already go with this bs.

>>4066205
For males to dominate Nijisanji it needs to be a standard rather than an exception. Most female Nijisanji livers still regularly get twice Mashiro, Rikiichi and Chaika's views for example. And those are well known Nijis. Kazuha is the exception, not the norm. And I know you're talking about Kuzuha because all you people ever do with Kuzuha is numberfag.

>>4064803
Comparing a reddit show to a reddit sub nice argument

>>4066735
I'm not the one who's repeating it, I'm just letting you know that's who it originated from.

>>4066205
>Telling purityfags to fuck off is somehow bad
Yea hololive is so cool selling out and pandering to mentally ill purityfags

>>4066684
Not the one you're replying to but chill out man. I get that Holostars aren't as successful as their female counterpart but if we base on the live viewers alone, they'd easily trump most of the NijiJP talents who're even struggling to get ~800 viewers.

>>4067181
>a random jp
It wasn't even a jp, he used google translate Japanese and everyone ate it up.

>>4066136
he probably saw it from 5ch, 2ch, matome sites. One google search of "まんさんじ" or "まんさん にじさんじ" and its all from those sites.

>>4067443
>Telling purityfags to fuck off is somehow bad
there's a reason why what once was an industry leader(nijisanji) now getting mogged by hololive

>>4067460
>but if we base on the live viewers alone, they'd easily trump most of the NijiJP talents who're even struggling to get ~800 viewers
Amazing, you've made it clear that you don't watch Holostars or Nijisanji in one post. Aruran gets like 300 views on a good day when he isn't EOP pandering, and even then when he does he gets under 1000 viewers. And then there's Temma and Miyabi... Roberu and Astel are the only ones who regularly get above 1k. Izuru maybe when he does guitar and singing streams.

>>4067914
If you havent noticed yet, this is a bait thread.

>>4067914
The holostars are just a modern day tragedy. The more I hear about these guys the more depressing this shit gets.

>>4067460
>they'd easily trump most of the NijiJP talents who're even struggling to get ~800 viewers.

Do you know how to count? This isn't most.16 from 103 are below 800, most are above 1k, including both genders.

Besides, you clearly don't understand the fucking argument. It was a counter argument about how Himawari, Sasaki and Shiina somehow aren't successful when they pull of those numbers and many other females have above or similar numbers. Holostars are all behind their female counterparts, unlike in Nijisanji where there's male and female above 1k together.

My argument is about how male and female in the same agency favors both, unlike his retarded argument.

>>4068607
Manjisanji

I like them, but the fairy one seems like a basic white gal.

>>4068607
>Panders to the chinese
>Panders to purityfags
Hololive truly a moral less company

>>4067914
there's currently 9 livers in holostar, do you know the number of niji livers? it's over 180, more than half of them streams to 3 digit viewership

>>4068607
that pic is outdated that doesn't include their oversea branch for example

>>4068952
She is way more otaku than anyone in HoloEN.

>>4069151
>more than half of them streams to 3 digit viewership
And the majority of Holostars do too, what is your point?

>>4068607
It's you who don't seem to understand the argument. You're basically comparing Nijisanji's main branch to Hololive's sub branch. If you try to check out vtubers outside your Niji bubble then you'll understand that yes, Holostars isn't part of the main branch.

>>4069270
Still have no idea why half the people they picked for HoloEN were unfamiliar with internet culture. Ina and Gura are ok.

>>4067235
>The exception
O RLY? Explain this then.

>>4069364
The point is that most of Holo's sub branches (stars, id, en) could even beat talents from Niji's main branch and that is because Holo's got better managment and they also pay them their wages on time.

>>4067235
>>4070140
Checkmate

>>4069364
there's 9 people in holostar, meanwhile in nijisanji you have multiple branch that perform worst than holostar ID,KR,IN and EN once their honeymoon phase over

>>4070140
Every single one of those videos is a big event lol. Hardly comparable to normal streams.

>>4070140
They were playing a mahjong tournament

>>4070140
What happened to their female chubas? Were they doing some concert or something that I didn't know about.

>>4070183
But you didn't say other sub branches, you said:
>I get that Holostars aren't as successful as their female counterpart but if we base on the live viewers alone, they'd easily trump most of the NijiJP talents who're even struggling to get ~800 viewers
And that's just not true. Keep backtracking though.

>>4070380

>>4070724
Manjisanji moment.

>>4070471
anon i know it can be confusing but that was different people replying to you

>>4070724
Holy fuck. Manjisanji/Apexsanji indeed. What the fuck is wrong with this company?

>>4070724
Holy fuck, LOL. How can anybody deny it anymore? MANJISANJI

>>4060520
I am not a fan of Nijisanji. I am just a fan of Pomu

>>4070992
Jumping into arguments late is fucking gay.

>NUMBERS IM COOMING
Holokiddy's think Capeshit is high art too.

>>4069413
Fucking hell, you don't understand the argument? This guy is talking as if putting male and female together makes them go badly. I'm talking that if Hololive and Holostars were just one company the holostars would do better, just like in Nijisanji, in the very links I sent the male and female are high.


> If you try to check out vtubers outside your Niji bubble then you'll understand that yes, Holostars isn't part of the main branch.

You fucking imbecile, I began watching vtubers with Kizuna Ai and then hololive, which I watch to this day. I also watch vtubers from other japanese agencies so I fucking know how the reality is. I'm not into just one place and think the entire world is around me.

>>4069151
Create a fucking new pic then

.>>4070183
>I get that Holostars aren't as successful as their female counterpart but if we base on the live viewers alone, they'd easily trump most of the NijiJP talents who're even struggling to get ~800 viewers
That's what you said and then you backtracked.

>>4070215
Fuck you. I hate this fucking place so much. Fucking tribalfsgs and numberfags, burn in hell. You're all disgusting piece of shits that deserve to die. You're the scum of this community.

>>4071260
uhhhh, meds?

>>4070860
>>4071070
>>4071074
keep using that term that's literally been in use for less than one week on this board lol, you're all really fitting in

>>4071260
Anon you are wasting your energy on a bait thread.

Lmao, people sure are getting uppity about Nijisanji nowadays. Seems like a few Holocorns are getting really desperate.

>>4071486
cope more, it has to start from somewhere.

>>4071486
And ?

>>4070724
i mean how do you even deny this?
the male livers are cannibalizing their own female livers to grow bigger while the female livers keeps on reclining

>>4071619
>cope
now you *really* don't look like a tourist

Male vtubers are more popular in Japan for the same reason regular male streamers are in the West. The most watched Japanese indie (Hal) is also male, so it's not a Niji only thing.

Kuzuha also BTFOs out of the stratosphere every single holo idol bitch there, it's not even a competition. Pekora's viewers are 60%+ foreigners.

>>4070724
>>4070860
>>4071070
What the fuck is WRONG WITH YOU? WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ALL LIKE THIS? Jesus crhsit, why the fuck you all can't be normal people and just enjoy vtubers? Why the fuck you have to be so combative, disgusting and piece of shits over all of this? Fucking put only hololive in everything, make all the other vtubers in the world to disappear. That's what you want right? Just leave hololive. Vshojo, Nijisanji, 774, React, make every single other agency to burn because of this bullshit.

I fucking hate this place. I can't even enjoy a fucking community with so much stupidity and toxicity while retards and imbeciles like you sperg over numbers and how 3 FUCKING K IS SOMETHING BAD. Tribal fags and number fags are the worst. You all make me disgusted and reading this bullshit just makes me hate hololive fans and even fucking hololive, an agency that I watch for 2 years.

The biggest error of my life was to come to 4chan.

>>4071602
>Holocorns
kek. at least manjisanji has a nice ring to it.

>>4071735
By using a month's worth of data over a single day? It must hurt to have a brain so smooth.

>>4072041
Is this a copypasta?

>>4071602
The think any competition is bad. When in reality having competition will just result in better content for us the consumer

>>4072092
Holocorn sounds really good to me. What's manjisanji supposed to sound like? If you want to promote overseas you're going to have to use something that makes sense in English.

>>4072040
show membership
not even that, show how long you've been subscribed to him
surely you can do this, right?

>>4072041
Cool story bro.

>>4072041
cry is free

>>4072040
>

>>4072041
Just ignore the Holofags and move on, their opinions really do not matter. Just enjoy the tubers you like and don't fall for all the numberfagging.

>>4072040
>Hal
>biggest Japanese indie
>Was under update until Sep 2020
>Hal has been a corpo shill longer than he has been an indie

>>4060520
>too late to the show
>took forever setting it up
>known for being able to work with males and let them work with the girls without idolshit bullshit, no males in first wave
Yeah.....they half assed it for sure.

>>4070724
I mean just taking a quick look at nijimado now
That image you posted is the most popular Nijisanji males up against some mid-tier popularity females when the truth is much more complicated. Mid tier popularity Niji females are much more popular than Mid tier popularity males
If Mito or Deron were streaming at the same time then you can bet at the very least they'd get more views than Fuwa in that image

>>4072041
This is what happens when a Manjinigger leaves the confines of their heavily moderated hugbox on /jp/. They can't handle the bantz of the streets and have a mental breakdown. HoloChads run these streets. Run on back to your hugbox Manjinigger.

>>4072040#
>Hal
>biggest Japanese indie
>Was under upd8 until Sep 2020
>Hal has been a corpo shill longer than he has been an indie

>>4072969
Nijinigger detected, using an inferior website instead of HoloTools!

>>4072041
Larper

>>4073224
I mean, you can check on Holotools too if it allows you to, the numbers would be the same...

>>4073034
This is what happens when a Holocorn leaves the confines of their heavily moderated hugbox on /trash/. They can't handle the bantz of the streets and have a mental breakdown. NijiChads run these streets. Run on back to your hugbox Holocorn.

>>4073102
He still gets more viewers than anyone in up8 ever did, even Kizuna Ai. She gets absolutely mogged by him.

>>4072348
>having competition will just result in better content
Your argument has merit if only Nijisanji actually tried. They debuted multilinguals in NijiKR and the first thing they did was to play Apex. Same thing happened with NijiEN, they didn't bother to innovate. How would it lead to a better content? Qunatity over quality won't get you far on a very saturated market. At least Vshojo tried to better the vtubing scene by expanding on Twitch.

>>4073586
>They debuted multilinguals in NijiKR and the first thing they did was to play Apex
Kanae played APEX for 9 hours in his debut and he's the 2nd most popular male vtuber in the country so if anything they didn't play enough

>>4073586
KR is on twitch though.

>>4073034
I don't go to /jp/ you fucking retard. I began to use 4chan just in this year.

>>4072348
As I said, those are fucking holofags. They only care for hololive to thrive and try to make "everyone" (just nijisanji, the other agencies don't exist) to be bad. I am a fucking hololive fan as well and it's infuriating seeing this.

>>4073586
Imagine thinking that the vtubers should behold to corporate controlling their content and what they do. The vtubers should do what they feel the best, the agency is only a support, not the main thing. That's the problem with so many of you, you all care more about the companies than the fucking vtubers. You all care more about numbers than the fucking vtubers. You all care more about being tribalists than the fucking vtubers. This is worse in here but this dumb mindset is all over the internet.

>>4074505
Anon...
You're taking this too seriously. /hlgg/ has over 200 IPs alone and you'll never know how many of them bother to venture out just to shit on other companies. Meanwhile this thread probably has 3 dedicated autists baiting you, and the rest just shitposting.

Just copy his post, play some madlibs with it and relax.

>>4074884
Watch

>>4073586
Your argument has merit if only Hololive actually tried. They debuted multilinguals in NijiEN and the first thing they did was GFE. Same thing happened with HoloID, they didn't bother to innovate. How would it lead to a better content? Qunatity over quality won't get you far on a very saturated market. At least Vshojo tried to better the vtubing scene by expanding on Twitch.

>>4063919
Kek this board is literally infested with redditors.

>>4074505
This most Holofags only care about the brand and numbers. They don't care about choco mel Aki roboco etc. They hate Ollie and Haachama for doing their own thing and not appealing to their incel fantasies. and most of them don't care about vtubing as a whole. Most of them will stop watching vtubers in general once their favirote retires. they're the definition of a fake fan

why are you so mad over the opinion of anons who don't even watch males, let alone nijisanji
does their opinion really matter?

>>4074505
>I began to use 4chan just in this year.

>>4075341
MALE LOVE

>>4075269
Can you really blame the false flaggers? It was still tolerable back then on /jp/ until Nijisanji went Reddit >>4064803

>>4075341
the fate of nijiEN and nijisanji females are on their hands, of course their opinion matter.

>>4075341
>nijisanji
Whats that? I only know of manjisanji.

>>4060520
that's not bad. Compared to twitch which has less discoverability than youtube, and youtube flooding you with content and an actual algorithm . Get 1-2k viewers per stream is great. You'd be in the top 1% of twitch if u did that there. I don't know if it is that impressive in youtube numbers but i like to think it's not that bad. Considering the only other people that get higher numbers are true youtube powerhouses or actors or something.

>>4075294
Fucking exactly. I'm a huge roboco fan and holofags act like she doesn't exist. Same is true for Choco, Mel and Aki.

>>4075433
I literally did faggot. I never was interested in here until this year and I had no idea how to use it either. I've been a redditor for much longer.

I don't think hololive fans have any right to say anything, if they spent an hour of their day watching that god awful reddit meme collab

>>4076567
To be fair, it's better than watching some adult male larping as an anime fagboy.

1-3k live viewers isn't bad at all when compared to vtubers in general.

>>4076709
No, no it is not.

>>4077071
We aren't talking about "vtubers in general" though. We are talking about Hololive/Manjisanji standards. Those two companies are on a totally different level from everybody else and with that comes extra expectations. Sure, 1k would be a huge number for your bog standard indie, but for the standards we are talking about that is absolutely bottom of the barrel. Perspective mate.

>>4077634
You don't know what Hololive and "manjisanji" standards even are if you think 3k regular viewers is outside of the realm of expectations for either of them.

>>4077071
Have you watched VSPO recently or even ShibuyaHal? If you're an EOP then you must have heard about Uto or Nabi right? Try watching chubas outside your Niji bubble.

>>4077783
>3k
not him but nobody in nijiEN got that number

>>4077942
Who? Are those Hololive members? Sorry, I only watch Hololive.

>>4077783
Hime Hajime has better numbers and more talented than NijiEN.

>>4078001
Not today at least.

>>4078102
Yes, I'm sure that's what your Vwhorejo threads like to believe.

>doompost months about how nijien will fail because there's so little brand recognition for niji outside of japan
>nijien finally debuts
>buttblasted because they have a sizeable audience and decent viewership
>NOW they are "a big name in the west" and its OK to compare them to holoEN
holofags having a consistent argument, not even once.

>>4078227
We will timeloop back to the initial argument 6 months from now when the 3 of them are hovering in the 500 viewer region.

All the manjisanji posts are samefagging right. I swear I've never seen this retarded word until like yesterday.

>>4060520
It's really simple.
Nichisanji banks on GFE streamers and the EN audience doesn't mark for GFE the same way the JP audience does.

>>4078417
Let me know 6 months later. Make sure to keep this post rent free in your head so you can link it back if NijiEN is alive by then.

>>4078419
just check the archive and decide for yourself if it wasnt obvious enough

>>4078227
nijiEN and holoEN are not comparable, they can't even beat ollie's numbers, literally losing to holoID, hololive's worst branch, nijisanji is an embarrassment

>>4066955
>Are they going to not stream every time a hololive streamer is out?
Yes. If you're going for the same fanbase, which NijiEN definitely is, you don't stream opposite your biggest competitor. On top of which they consistently, and I mean consistently stream at the same timeslot as Gura, the monster that takes viewers from even her own genmates when she streams. Even if you say that they have day jobs or whatever, there are 6 hours of primetime every day and most of them only stream for two hours. Just push your stuff two hours back and you'd get a ton more views.

>>4078510
This autist sure has a lot time in his hand and he spent it all just to force this retarded term

>>4069151
>livers

>>4078744
not only that, the 3 of them also stream over each other, it's like they want to fail or something

>>4078419
The word has literally been in use for less than a week lol check warosu

>>4071835
You sound like a /jp/ immigrant

>>4078845
>9 livers in holostar
It's not a lie. Unless one of them donated their liver

>>4072041
Seethe

>>4078925
If you aren't a /jp/ immigrant you're essentially admitting to being a newfag

>>4078982
>This is what /jp/sies actually believe

>>4078696
Elira definitely beats Ollie despite not having anywhere near the amount of subs. Seethe.

>>4079024
How long has this board existed for anon

>>4078227
>sizeable audience
LMAO even holoID regularly mogs them

>>4079024
he's right, back to your board /v/ermin

>>4078845
>>4069151
What will it take to get rid of this term? It's so bad.

>>4079109
It sounds fine in Japanese it's not like it's pronounced the same way as the organ or anything

>>4079077
This is our board, your kind gave it to us when you decided to squat in /jp/ instead of moving in. Don't go claiming ownership of the place now because you never had a claim to begin with.

dunno man. nijien is doing pretty well as far as i can see anyway

>>4078696
Holo's worst branch is Holostars

>>4079109
You're pronouncing it wrong.

>>4079148
You can't claim seniority over anyone when you're using the 3rd newest board on the site and you're admitting that you never discussed vtubers anywhere on this site prior you autist

>>4079148
>this is blahblahblah bunch of niggerspeak
>>>/v/

>>4079148
>our
Yeah, you should probably go back. How can you not cringe at admitting to being from /v/?

>>4079073
Ollie's numbers pretty much the same as Moona

>>4079225
>>4079280
Your seniority is worth jack shit outside of /jp/ and newsflash, this ain't /jp/. Crawl back to your little squatter's den if the thought of it makes you seethe

>>4079190
>>4079141
Either spell it differently or use a different term. It's never going to catch on by sharing the same spelling as an organ.

>>4079237
>Ooh look at me I posted on jp, this makes me royalty and you will give me the respect I deserve
>>>/jp/

>>4079349
>ain't
Go back.

>>4079421
Seethe

>>4079349
>>4079420
Go back newfag.

>>4079499
Seethe at your irrelevance /jp/sie

>>4079526
So irrelevant that it lives in your head rent free.

>>4060520
EN brand ranking
>1 HoloEN avg view: 13,836
>2 Vshojo avg view: 5,232
>3 NijiEN avg view: 2,367

>>4079549
Cope

>>4079563
Thanks numbers anon.

>>4079595
Dilate and 41%. You'll never be a woman.

>>4079563
OH NO NO NO NIJIKEKS

>>4079563
Well, you wrapped it up I guess, now those fags seething and dilating each other in this thread can go to fuck off at other things.

>>4079634

Cope until you start bleeding again from your ruined anus. EOPs are good for business, and they're a business first and foremost. Go to bed every night sobbing that your oshi, despite you finally having a third grade level understanding of Japanese, ignored your chat just like they do in the flood of other actual JPs and lonely fucks like you who flaunt their superiority that they learned an entire other language to be ignored in. You will never be special to your oshi just because you poorly speak her language. You are a name and some letters in a chatbox and nothing more. It doesn't matter what language someone speaks there, because unless there's a red color behind their text, your oshi will not care. And even then they might not even acknowledge your existence. Eat shit and seethe.

>>4079632
Nijisanji fans know that NijiEN is less popular than HoloEN and Vshojo, it's Hololive fans that like to argue about it for some reason.

>>4079676
Seethe

>>4079563
Is this console warring niggerfaggot shit

>>4079676
Sorry I couldn't hear you over the putrid smell of your neovagina.

>>4079563
>NijiEN avg view: 2,367
Literally indie tier. Nabi has higher viewer average than this.

>>4079563
How about Tsunderia or whatever their name is now

>>4079682
Cope harder, they were hyping it up as the holomyth killer and "40-60k on debut" before debut but then when the debut actually happened it's suddenly all "Oh everyone knew they were never going to measure up" and "it's all falseflaggers I swear"

>>4079736
Who?

>>4073871
You mean PUBG

>>4079770
the indie that mogs "the biggest vtuber company in japan" lololololol

>>4077634
You are the one who need perspective, imbecile. 3k, 2k and 1k is great for Nijisanji and always have been. Not everyone need to reach 5k, 8k, 10k, 20k. Not even hololive does it. Fuck off.

>>4077942
He's not in a nijisanji bubble, imbecile. He actually knows that most indies and even agencies are much below that. Try watching other agencies like react and 774 yourself to see if they are putting more than 1k. Only Patra is able to do it.

>>4078419
It litearlly is the same person. Some retard trying to make it a thing.

>>4078696
And Holo ID can't even beat half of Nijisanji Japan as 85 of them have better views than them.

>>4078744
Anon, there's a thing called work which the three of them have. There's also a thing called good hours to stream.

>>4079182
Somehow Holostars isn't a cover branch but nijisanji overseas branch are.

>>4079767
>Cope harder, they were hyping it up as the holomyth killer
This board had like 2% Nijifags posting and 98% Holofags posting, you're arguing against basic logic that it was actually Nijifags making those claims and not falseflaggers that wanted to get a reaction out of shmucks like (you)

>>4079767
Can you point out these posts claiming they were the holomyth killer and prove they were from nijis?

>>4079750
no data. I went to grab the EN vtuber chart in the numberfag thread and average them.

>>4079854
https://youtu.be/--c7xMmcnHU

>>4079830
Sorry, I only watch the biggest numbers so no indies for me. Regular streams need to be >50k viewers for me to watch, events at >200k viewers, and vods at 2m+ views.

Who are you referring to as “the biggest vtuber company in Japan”?

>>4079848
>Anon, there's a thing called work which the three of them have. There's also a thing called good hours to stream.
See
>Even if you say that they have day jobs or whatever, there are 6 hours of primetime every day and most of them only stream for two hours. Just push your stuff two hours back and you'd get a ton more views.

>>4079919
>Regular streams need to be >50k viewers for me to watch
Literally WHO? Not even Pekora is making these numbers

>>4079736
>>4079830
Nabi isn't indie tier. Nabi is literally ame artist, same to Uto. All of them are heavily linked to Ame and has tons of amefags going to them as if they are part of hololive. Not everyone has this but as someone who is in contact with amecords, it's fucking obvious how they treat them in such way.

>>4079767
Cope harder my ass you motherfucker. No one with a mind and not a delusional imbecile thought NijiEN would do those kind of numbers and be holoEN killer. With all the context of the market, this is impossible.

>>4079907
Isn’t this a Holo clip channel? How did the clip maker figure out all those posts were from Nijis? Just what kind of connections does this person have to Hiro?

>>4079907
You're using a Japanese guy that made an edited compilation of 4chan posts as proof... so what you're saying is 4chan is your proof except filtered through a literal who Jap?

>>4079946
Have you actually done office work? Going to work constantly lacking sleep is not fun

>>4079563
>>3 NijiEN avg view: 2,367
Not bad for three members. Wait until the next wave is released you guys wont be ready.

>>4079958
The KING himself

>>4079946
Ok, they don't have gura. But then they have Ame or Ina. What are they going to do?

Besides, do you really think they think those numbers are bad? I don't think so.

I hope no one in this thread is serious...

>>4079989
Is Nabi affiliated with a company outsidr of her contract work?

No?

Then she's an indie dipshit. Stop making up your own terminology

>>4080044
>banking on quantity over quality mantra to help Niji's out
I've got bad news for you...

>>4066275
Not really lol

>>4080097
I've been arguing with the people in this thread while high on LSD for the past hour and watching VODs, it's fun

>>4079958
>>4080053
And ONLY his Biohazard stream. His Apex streams are too small for me, and I leave the moment he dips below 50k.

>>4079148
>This is our board, your kind gave it to us when you decided to squat in /jp/ instead of moving in.
The only people who care about that are 2hufags and other /jp/sies.

>>4079958
If a vtuber can't make those numbers, they are literally not worth watching. If they don't have numbers, they are shit content. Numbers numbers numbers

>>4080134
Browsing /vt/ and occasionally /ck/ while high is one of my favorite pastimes

>>4080125
Yes really lol

>>4080043
Yeah, because starting your stream at 8pm instead of six pm is going to take so much out of you
>>4080087
I don't think you understand, Gura is a fucking monster. Her streams never fail to get at least 20k and every time she streams everyone else overlapping drops live viewers. You never want to stream over her if you can help it, especially not consistently like the NijiEn are doing.
Also they are doing fine by vtuber standards, but for niji "Biggest vtuber company in japan and Hololive's biggest competitor"sanji standards they might as well be begging for scraps on the street.

>>4080294
It's okay to be a NEET but don't act like you understand what it's like to work lol

>>4079989
>>4079997
>>4080005
Funny how posts like these were nowhere to be seen during the lead up but then the moment the debut dropped suddenly all the nijifags show up in full damage control mode

>>4080358
I'm employed you dip, these superchats don't buy themselves.

>>4080374
Man open any of those actual threads and you'll see Hololive reaction images, Hololive comparisons, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who was making them in the first place

>>4080110
Technically yes but saying an "indie" BTFO them isnt right either, being known prior turning into a vtuber will already guarantee you something. If someone like pewdiepie became a vtuber will be be an indie that BTFOs everyone?

>>4080412
Gay.

>>4080374
Can you point out the threads where these posts were supposedly nowhere to be seen? Go ahead and link the NijiEN debut thread and show me all those non existent posts of people guessing 10k.

>>4080294
>he’s a chumbud
>never fails to get 20k
>doesn’t know how to open up playboard or vnuma

>>4080575
And here comes the nijicope

>>4080610
Nigger it's a joke

>>4079989
nabi is only up there because of her hololive connection. This is the true strong indie chuuba.

>>4076375
>>4077071
>that's not bad.
Its bad when you consider the entire promotional machine that was behind them

>>4080728
You mean the promotional machine that people on this board kept saying wasn't enough and are now saying was too much?

>>4079311
This is including Elira's debut numbers into the average though. That's not her average for regular streams.

>>4080044
>Not bad for three members
How the fuck does the number of streamers affect the AVERAGE? I swear, you nijiniggers are all retarded.

>>4080884
It affects the numbers of viewers they get, thus the amount of average viewers

>>4080753
People were saying it wasn't enough becausethey were expecting 40-60k. Now they are saying it is too much because they fell so short on expectations it makes makes me cry for the wasted money

>>4080753
It wasn't enough at first, but then they started buying hundreds of thousands of ads (a lot of them on hololive videos).

>>4080753
Imagine having to pay for advertisements to promote your new EN project when Covers gets the chinks and seaniggers to do it for free

Kek

So yes, it reeks of desperation because their competitor does absolutely fucking nothing and still mogs them

>>4080958
So basically what you're saying is people on this board expected too much and were disappointed? Just another day on /vt/?

Rent free

>>4081037
You shouldn't be proud of having a fanbase built of chinks and SEAniggers

>>4080828
Playboard doesn’t take the max average, but does the same sampling method for average CCU, so short debuts factor in a lot less if your next 14 streams are longer.

Also, her debut, guerilla, and intro 2.0 aren’t counted anyways as Playboard doesn’t have the live view trend for them.

>>4081059
>keep getting called "biggest Vtuber company in Japan"
>Nijiniggers keep claiming that they are better and more talented than Holo

>absolutely get assblasted when they attempt to make an EN Market

Disappointed doesn't even begin to describe what people here feel

>>4081059
Nijisanji is the Pepsi to Hololive's Coke. They should still manage to get in the same ballpark as Hololive.

>>4081037
>they do it for free

>>4081151
Are we still arguing numbers or talent? Because those are two totally different ballparks and one of them vastly more entertaining.

>>4081159
So you are saying Pepsi is full of male jizz while Coke is like drinking pure heavenly nectar? Interesting.

>>4081159
In Japan maybe, in the west it was obvious Vshojo had more of a presence as Hololive's competitor

>>4081223
why are you so obsessed with males and semen?

>>4081223
Why are you thinking about a male's jizz you colossal homo

>>4081223
I'm saying that they are supposed to be on a somewhat equal playing field in the industry. That they haven't managed to crack into the EN market even slightly is an embarrassment.

>>4081336
In Japan anon
In Japannnnnnnnnnn

>>4080294
Assuming they work 9-6 yes it does. Though if they start streaming 6pm I'm guessing they leave work earlier so that means you need to be at work much earlier. Pomu was already complaining about having to stay in the office to finish stuff,

>>4081367
Hololive is also a japanese company and they managed it. Niji had a head start in terms of resources and still fucked it up.

Most EOPs have never even heard of Nijisanji. What do you expect?

>>4081214
This is the numbers thread, if you bring up quality here you're coping

>>4081260
And Hololive is also a Japanese company, what's your point?

>>4081417
Overtime yikes

>>4079907
Thanks for this, it made me laugh out loud. What a hilarious video.

>>4081427
Hololive had the presence in the west even prior to HoloEN, Nijisanji never had that, Nijisanji is a competitor in the Japanese vtuber market only

>>4081538
That sounds like cope to me.

POMU LOVE

>>4081550
Nigger I'm literally telling you Hololive dominates the western vtuber market and you're telling me that's cope

>>4081591
You're making excuses for why Nijisanji managed to place a distant third behind Vshojo and Hololive, yeah that's cope.

>>4081505
Nijisanji is only relevant as a competitor in the Japanese market for vtubers, not the western one

>>4081616
If saying Nijisanji is only relevant in Japan is a cope I guess that's cope then

This thread is stupid and gay

>>4080294
They are doing much better than any other branch they have overseas. Anycolor has absolutely no reason to think that this is only decent, only that this is a big success, even more when they maintain KR and ID to this day while also doing original songs, merchandise and many other stuff to them. Reminder that to a lot of people in here, KR and ID are failures, but those same branches still get investment in events, content and new vtubers. EN is above all of those already, except Bora Nun, so you might wonder again, what Anycolor is thinking about this branch?

>>4081336
>>4081427
They didn't blow up anything. They are getting 1k-3k viewers with less than 80k subs. Have some perspective, even more with all the context.

>>4081616
You can't accept the truth.

>>4081650
Exactly. Retards don't understand this.

>Vhojo,nijisanji,kizuna ai collabs
>Nyanners dropped the Bomb on kizuna's face
>Cover removed the HoloEn collab ban
>NijiEN tedyloid collab(who is somehow connected to kizuna ai)

This is interesting.

>>4063795
Niji bros...

Nijisanji fans? More like Hololive antis in disguise

>>4082040
ID absolutely is a failure. They fucking stream to sub 100 viewers all the time. That is pathetic. No amount of money that AnyColor pumps into ID as a band aid for their failure will change that.

>>4082482
and that's totally fine!

>>4082258
>Defending one of the worst collabs in the history of vtubing
Please have some standards.

Holofags really live on muh numbers and 5ch matome memes huh

>>4082548
Cope

>>4082632
Seethe dilate ywnbaw ywnbjzzzzzzzzzzzzxxzxxxxxzzhdogsiwjwidndkwkw

>>4082674
Welcome to the /v/ in /vt/, adapt or seethe eternal

>>4082628
They hate Nijisanji because they're EOP's that got filtered by it

>>4082482
You only need an average of 20 live viewers to be in the top 1% of all live streamers.

>>4082700
I mostly hate Nijisanji fans who think themselves better by virtue of watching Niji when Holo was blowing up in the West

I especially hate people here who call Holos "Baby's first Vtuber"

I watch Kagami play Duel Masters from time to time but I'm not a retard that goes around shitting on Holofans for watching Holos

>>4082840
50
The number is 50

>>4082482
Anon, think for a second. Why the fuck they would disband IN and not do anything to it but do it with ID and KR? By the reasoning of faggots from here, discordtrannies and redditors, only the japanese branch would exist.

Btw, 3 of them at the very least are between 500-400.

>>4082700
I don't even speak japanese and still enjoy nijisanji, so those really are retarded eops who are on a big brand loyalty delusion while me, a unityfag enjoy vshojo, nijisanji, hololive, voms, 774, react, live, kizuna ai..

>>4082879
Those are bad nijisanji fans, I agree. But the holo fans doing similar behavior are bad as well.

>>4082879
>I especially hate people here who call Holos "Baby's first Vtuber"
There's nothing wrong with Hololive but this is often true. Hololive girls serve as a gateway to other vtubers for many.

>>4082937
blame the /jp/ nijis they actually made it worst. Even gatekeeping fellow nijis.

>>4082879
As a Nijisanji fan I hate those posters too, but it's best to not engage with them rather than have the meltdown anon had earlier in the thread

>>4082937
>Those are bad nijisanji fans
But they are the only nijisanji fans, even in here you have the supposedly "good" nijisanji fans wearing their /jp/ pride like a badge of honor

>>4060520
i need someone streaming at EU primetime to hook me on the others, i can't even be bothered to check vods if i have no chance to ever see atleast one live

>>4082974
>The biggest Vtuber company in the west opens up people's perception to Vtubing in general

Wow, amazing take anon.

But there is a difference between "Baby's First Vtubers" and "Gateway to Vtubers"

Baby's first vtuber is derogatory, implying that Holo fans are just people who have scratched the surface and therefore "not true Vtuber fans"

I'm a holofag, but it's barely been a week or so since they debuted. At least wait for a month which is around the time viewership numbers stabilize for new vtubers.

>>4083327
Growth in the industry as a whole has stabilized. It's very unlikely we will get another Miko who starts off streaming to double digits and is now one of the biggest vtubers in the world. Their numbers aren't going to grow especially once the honeymoon period is over.

So many (you)s in this thread. Thank you op you made my day

The persecution complex holofags have regarding niji is insane, what caused it?

>>4083712
They're bored.

>>4083712
remnants of /jp/ culture, which is why everyone who claims to be from /jp/ should be rightly laughed at and mocked from this board

>>4082040
>>big success
not really no

>>4083712
It's a carry over from /jp/. Manjiniggers constantly raid /hlg/ and the Nijimeido never does anything about it. However, god forbid one of us Holochads go over to the Manji thread to return the favor......banned on the spot. Fuck them and their entire little hugbox.

>>4082992
>>4083004
And I dislike those /jp/ types as well. I want a vtuber community united, not separated.

>>4083922
You "raid" yourself holofag, just look at the quality of this whole board (99% holo just in case you hadn't noticed the numbers), is that the niji boogeyman as well?

>>4083922
You sound like a butthurt little bitch lol

>>4084095
Spoken like a true nijinigger

>>4083913
It definitely is. Nijisanji EN currently is only behind Vshojo which streams on a different platform and on HoloEN. Tsunderia, Prism Project and other agencies from here who don't get even 50 viewers.

This is big for a company like theirs considering the level of penetration of nijisanji in the west is niche, and I say that as someone who likes nijisanji vtubers.

>>4084117
Concession accepted.

>>4084116
It's the mansanji guy. Some nijifag created some psychological reprehension in his mind and now he's like that.

>>4084137
>This is big for a company like theirs
Lmao no it isn't, this is the biggest vtuber company and the only one that can consistently fight on par with hololive. It's like you're saying the xbox isn't doing too bad in Japan compared to Sony and nintendo.

>>4083922
tbf its mainly /vyt/ than /jp/niji but they share the same people anyway so yeah.

>>4072041
Nice larp nijinigger

>>4084145
Cope

>>4084207
> this is the biggest vtuber company and the only one that can consistently fight on par with hololive

Well at least you can admit that, this is more than any other conversation I had in here about nijisanji and hololive. I also think like this.

> It's like you're saying the xbox isn't doing too bad in Japan compared to Sony and nintendo.

This isn't a good comparison because xbox is extremely niche. NijiEN numbers aren't on that level. I would agree if all NijiEN had like 50 viewers, but when they have 1k to 3k depending on the stream, it's a different situation.

>>4086127
> Well at least you can admit that, this is more than any other conversation I had in here about nijisanji and hololive. I also think like this.
Forgot to say but I mean that holofags in general have so much distaste and tribalfag mentality that they don't recognize this aspect most of the time. I of course mean that in Japan, btw, as overseas holo of course have a superior advantage.

I'm just watch both branch, and doesn't care about numbers, all things matter it's how much entertainment you get from streams.

Want Ame and Pomu collab, because they two dorky gremlins