/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>40577085
Superchats are a fraction of their income. Why do you think so many of them don't care about reading them?
Most of money comes from memberships, sponsorships and merch.

>>40577085
A 3view around 300 viewers can comfortably pay bills and live a decent life.
Imagine literally corpo chuuba then, even the males. They can probably use the money as toilet paper and still be fine.

>>40577136
This. Superchats are a scam if you actually care about giving your oshi money, it's used to banter with the streamer or trying to break superchat records instead

Didn't one of the NijiEN girls accidentally dox her youtube dashboard a while back and reveal she was making enough to live very comfortably even in a 1st world nation? And that was just the adsense numbers if I recall.

I want to fuck Roboco...

>>40577136
So why do Nijis constantly use it as their main metric for success? Why is it even a thing /#/ care about if it's so meaningless? Is it just because it's accessible information to shitpost with? It makes no fucking sense.

>>40577085
Roboco is just that good.

>>40577275
> Why is it even a thing /#/ care about if it's so meaningless
/#/ is filled with literal fucking retards, why do you think they're banned from every split on the board? They use numbers to prove some shit but they can't even read those numbers right.

Your average youtube "content creator" shitter makes a shitload of money from sponsored streams, that's why they're everywhere.
Now imagine how much money they make when they're featured in nationwide ad campaigns for companies like Lawson or Nissin.

>>40577085
Enough to take out a subprime loan so they can build a studio house.

>>40577275
Not many people care about it even in /#/ for the aforementioned reasons, but yes, it's the only publicly available source of revenue we have precise data about.

>>40577085
Designing/building your own home can actually be a lot cheaper than buying one, anon. It just takes more time and work.

Now you realize why people get mad when some of them can't even be bothered to fucking stream

>>40577085
Just 500ccv is enough to mog a normal middle class job.
Anything over 1k is six figures, sponsorship deals from being attached to a corpo just adds to the pile.

>>40577617
It still confuses me because there are so many variables at play with SCs:
>begging
>chat 'bullying' during a stream
>birthdays
>content type: GFE/BFE/lewd
>luck (might have rich fans)
>age restrictions to even SC in the first place
>might not have them enabled or respond to them at all
>local tax
It still just seems like a total waste of time to rank/discuss.

>>40577085
But I thought the buraku company takes all their money?

>>40577085
You mean they took out a loan to build a house.

>>40577085
I love how # ruined the money talk so badly that we now have people who think anyone in Hololive isn't a millionaire.

>>40577085
I thought it was well known that every Hololive member is loaded. There's a reason why thousands of people apply, you're pretty much set for life if you get in and play your cards right.

>>40577170
Really? It's that lucrative?

Significant others come into the picture when you're buying a home

>>40577085
>SC
Retard. Ask any big streamer, donations are a fraction of their income compared to advertising deals and stuff. Popular streamers get more than 1k/hr to play games, for example.

>>40578338
He's probably talking about some 3rd worlder.

>>40577911
Numbers are numbers. /#/ talks about numbers, no matter how insignificant the numbers. Doesnt matter if that is waste of time in your eyes, for /#/ it is still numbers. You can say numbers are /#/'s oshi, you wouldn't ignore your oshi just because she/he is a 2 view right?

>>40578378
ding ding ding we have a winner name one single woman who bought a house just for herself

>>40577911
>a total waste of time to rank/discuss
That's the reason why the rest of this board thinks /#/, and those retarded that took something posted there as bait in the catalog, is nothing but brainlet.
They don't really know what those numbers like superchat or ccv represent or how they work. The only thing they know is big number le good small number le bad, and they use it as a way to somehow own the tribe they hate.
Sometimes they don't even care about the number itself. They will twist the number just because their favorite team loses in their stupid number game, like crying about botting when the tribe they hated wins their daily CCV race.

>there are young women playing games for less than 15 hours a week earning a six figure income
>they can also take multiple two to three month breaks every year while keeping their full income
Not gonna lie, this makes me not care about working at all. I am not going to slave at a 40h a week job while some chuuba gets 10x more for 10% of the effort. At this point I'm just going to try to become a streamer

>>40578450
Yeah I make like 50k and can't even afford to rent an apt

SC becomes less important the more you gain an audience. For 3-views it's probably a big chunk, especially if you land a few whales. But when you have multiple revenue sources, it's pretty insignificant in the long-term. You're basically arguing over girls who make six-figures a year, even on the lowest end. Unless you're ID I guess, they're all pretty poor.

>>40578338
Highly depends on your audience and how stingy / generous they are.
I know two 3views, one made roughly 17k in 3 months, the other made about 6.3k.
There's a reason being a 3view puts you at the top 1% of streamers and it's not just CCV.
>>40578450
6.3k is enough to pay all your bills, buy groceries, and save for the future at least in Australia. Idk about burgerland or yuropiss.
Definitely enough in any SEA country.

She took out a loan clipfags

>>40578520
Go for it boss.

>>40577911
Well like any other data it needs to be contextualized and interpreted, that's why it sparks discussions despite being accurate.

>>40577085
bit of context. She didn't design and buld a house. Seh purchased a new buld that was still under construction and was able to get some elements of the design changed to what she wanted like a roomwith lots of outlets on every wall for streaming equpment and a soundbroof room. She also didnt buy outright and has mortgage. She said that there was recently a change amongst lenders that meant they considered streamers a legitimate source of income so she was now able to get a loan of that size when she wasn't able to before.

>>40578545
just move to argentina

>>40578596
Yeah that's enough to live if you have roomates or something. Damn I'm glad they're doing well.
Do you know their average ccv? I imagine there's difference between like 150 and 500.

>>40578596 (me)
Sorry I'm retarded and forgot to divide by 3 in the second response.
2.1k is still enough to pay your bills, buy groceries and save for the future.

>>40578643
There work there? I'm a blue collar fag so remote work isn't possible. I turn wrenches.

>>40578596
>6.3k
>at least in Australia
at least make up a believable lie

>>40578695
The one that made more, has about 100 ccv less than the other, both 400-500 ccv on average. Most revenue comes from donations and then ad revenue because they're both on twitch. (Which is apparently better for 3views and high end 2views)
It's just the one that made more, has a way more generous audience. (He dabbles in VRchat which is apparently a welcoming community)

>>40577850
>Anything over 1k is six figures
7 figures*

>>40578716
2.1k in a year? That's nothing man. Like your a homeless person eating trash with that

>>40578793
Theyre males? Damn I didn't know anyone donated to guys. I thought the appeal of streamers both flesh and 2d is having a surrogate gf.

>>40578790
I mean, I live in straya and I can pay off my shit while living in a 2 bedroom apartment and be close to the city. I make more than that but my bills average out to about 1.5k after rent.
Your choice on whether or not you believe me.

>>40578520
And at least she plays games. Immagine all those twitch thots with vtubing models that do reaction streams once they get a considerable following. Disgusting.

>>40578887
You must be in a cheap spot.

>>40578816
Idk where you got year when I was talking about monthly.

This thread makes me want to become a streamer. How should an autist with a condenser mic and zero online followers go about becoming a semi-succesful streamer?

Theres a reason Aqua retired after 2 years

so why do some anons on this board still believe that indies are “just not interested” in getting into holo anymore

>>40578955
If being close to Sydney is considered cheap, then yeah, I probably got lucky with it.

>>40577085
For some reason the Japanese construction/housing market is totally crazy. Houses are worth nothing, all the value is in the land. It is extremely common to buy a house, tear it down, and build a new one.

Also, Japanese houses are just not designed to last for hundreds of years like western houses.

>>40579076
I'm sure most of Hololive live in Tokyo. Wouldn't it still be expensive as hell?

>>40579002
Agua is huge though

>>40578996
Start networking.
Get into streamer circles, even 2views that encourage and help each other. Just don't forget them if you make it and they don't, and you'll end up going places after a while.
That or leech excessively, but that's the path that most often tread, and get resented for later.

>>40579161
Yeah, a lot of the biggest Twitch streamers started as leeches

>>40579002
I wonder how much money she got as compensation for cancelling her appearance at LoL championship.

>>40579119
compared to other major cities like london and new york no not really

>>40578956
My bad my bad.
That's still not a ton. I geuss it just depends on where/how you live. I'm a retard with my money

>>40577275
Because you can't make threads about numbers you dont know.

>>40578996
Get a niche. One with a devoted autistic fanbase that doesn't have a big streamer for it

>>40577275
/#/ stopped really giving a shit about superchats as well once some of the Hololive merch figures were leaked. It's just the NijiEN sisters that keep on pushing it nowadays because of how much fujos donate.

>>40577085
>studio
Also, it's Japan. Compared to the rest of the world, housing is actually stupidly affordable. A few years back (dunno if this is still happening), you could literally be given a place for free if you go to the deep deep countryside just because the population there is dying off

>>40579338
I'm pretty sure a "devoted autistic fanbase" would sniff out the fakery. Unless you're talking about a JOI fetish or some shit

>>40579247
>>40579338
Another option that's probably riskier but I've seen it work.
When a new game, whether it be an mmo or gacha starts, be a content creator for it.
Bonus points if it's some asian one that hasn't come out to the west yet and you play on the asian version. You know the answers that new people are looking for and you build a following that way.

>>40579367
>Also, it's Japan. Compared to the rest of the world, housing is actually stupidly affordable
I doubt it's cheap in Tokyo

>>40579442
This.
I've seen gacha fans fund the streamer more so he or she can do pulls on stream.
Their viewers literally funding the streamers pulls that he can later claim a tax refund or deduction on as "work related" is insane.

>>40579439
That anon is posting here I bet they have some autistic microfixation that a couple hundred other people do too

>>40579537
I always thought being a fast food reviewer would be great too. Use your meals as a tax write off. There's some big YouTubers that do that but I don't think any live streams or vTubers.

>>40577085
Japan's housing market is inversely fucked from most of the rest of the world, as long as you aren't trying to live in the middle of Tokyo or one of the other major metropolitan areas. It's comically cheap to buy/build a home.

>>40579639
You mean Door Dash reviews? Mite b good but you'd still need to pad it heavily

>>40579687
I'm gonna move to Yamanashi and make my Yuru Camp fantasy life real.

>>40578996
>autist
Become a speedrunner. There's a high risk of trannyfication though.

>>40579024
They are coping or are genuanly stupid any indie who says they aren't interested in joining hololive are lying

>>40577085

a lot of perception of money is skewed by NYC/LA americans, where 120k usd yearly is just survival costs. real estate in japan is comically sane compared to that

>>40577275
SC is usually telling of some other metrics. If you get a lot of SC you most likely sell a pretty good amount of merch too, and have a lot of members. It's not the be-all-end-all metric but it's not useless either.

>>40579482
It's not, but even still, 2 minutes of searching on english listings and I found one for 100k usd. I'm sure a JP person searching for a long time could easily find a reasonable one

>>40579687
They're not being flooded by people needing housing, pumping up prices and attracting more rapacious investors

>>40579725
Oh yeah I mean people watch a stream for their personality at the end of the day. You could get a different item every stream review it tier list it then idk play a game that has something to do with that food item. Like if you eat McDonald's play mckids that stream. Then in between food reviews just play fotm games

If she moved outside of Tokyo, the government might have subsidized it. Land values are very low because there's very little desire to live in rural areas of the country. Just at a glance I'm seeing nice lots for $10,000-$20,000, which is nothing compared to America.

>>40577085

real estate in japan isnt like costal americas insanity

also theyre like, the biggest streamers in the world, the top 0.001%. if you maintain 75 viewers on twitch youre in the 1% btw

>>40579818
Yeah, them not mass importing immigrants to offset the sharp native population decline does a lot of wonders for housing markets if you're buying (assuming they'll let you buy, ywnbj >>40579734 ). Though this is partially offset by the fact that vast swathes of the country are being abandoned to decay.

She's in Japan you can build a house cheaper than it costs to rent a crack shack in Vancouver.
They also get insane discounts if they get married and have a kid as part of their policies to increase birthrates

>>40580064
it's lower than that for top 1%

>>40577085
>SC
SC doesn't matter unless you're a 3 view
Holos live off of merch and sponsorships.

>>40579367
Fun fact, houses in the JP countryside can get stupidly affordable. We're talking a house big enough to house for going for less than 15k. Unfortunately you will probably live in bumfuck nowhere, but if you can get a good enough internet connection that shouldn't matter for the average anon or streamer.

>>40579482
only if youre in central tokyo like shibuya and shit like that even the outskirt of tokyo are a lot cheaper for what i understand, and its only like a 1h train ride to central tokyo

Patra from 774 built a studio for $700k.

>>40580279
Patra is also an IRL ojousama, her parents hired a fucking private detective to keep an eye on her

>>40578636
Imagine taking out huge loan in this economy, good luck to her I guess.

>>40579346
/#/ stopped giving a shit once NijiEN started dominating the SC charts last year.

>>40580307
yeah me

>>40578878
Absolutely not. The most popular streamers are men and yes they get tons of donations.

>>40577275
>So why do Nijis constantly use it as their main metric for success

Because it's the only metric they can find success in. In reality, it doesn't actually matter that much. It's valuable, but not the most valuable thing.

>>40577085
>he thinks superchats (-30% youtube tax, -30% national tax, -30% corpo tax) is a vtubers main source of income
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>40577353
>banned from every split on the board?
I kekked

>>40578545
San Fransisco counts as 3rd world.

>>40580356
Cope.

>>40580196
Even if replacement rate for Japan was at 2.1, it still would not be US/Euro capital insanity.

Why?
Because if you get lucky with where you work, you can take HSR and maybe a subway stop. Which means you could live in the middle of fucking nowhere, and have no problem reaching central Tokyo.
Once the HSR between Tokyo and Kyoto has been upgraded further, there will be another small drop in the housing prices, as it means you now also have a entire rail line extra housing that can reach central Tokyo/Kyoto, without needing to live urban life.

>>40578494
riley reid, lel.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9632341/OnlyFans-Riley-Reid-drops-4-8-million-four-bed-six-bath-Pasadena-mansion-set-3-6-acre-estate.html

>>40580689
Yeah, it's a major cope by /#/ to stop caring about numbers just because the competition is now surpassing you.

>>40577275
Because Niji merch is literally all Chinese printshop tier copy paste shit.

>>40578494
It's a pretty common cope for unmarried 30 year old career women when they notice their clock is ticking.

>>40577085
Roboco gets paid extra because she runs the cover servers on her brain

>>40577136
>>40577243
Coco and its consequences have been a disaster for vtubing.

>>40581290
Explains why they make such retarded decisions.

>>40578042
She's not holoEN, anonchama. Money actually goes to the talent that earned it.

>>40580599
I live in the northeast buddy

I went from 1 to 20 views in 4 months, but where I live I need to make at least 3k USD a month. Think I can make it?

>>40578494
I did. :(

>>40581687
Why the fuck do you need 3k USD to survive, what in the world does your budget look like?

>>40581686
The rats that devoured the humans in NYC have evolved into skaven? America's urban centers are really fucked now.

>>40581801
So.
35% goes to taxes.
Between 1500-2000 goes to funding my apartment. I pay for electricity, water, downpayment, insurance, municipality fees, etc.
Then I need at least 300 for food, so ...yeah.

>>40581766
Post feet in socks or gtfo

>>40581943
>2k for apartment
Holy fuck please move somewhere cheaper

>>40581801
That's about right for a non hyper inflated US metro area. 1.5k-2k rent, 200 utilities, 300 groceries, 300 gas, 100 phone and internet, 500 toward big one time bills like taxes and insurance. A hyper inflated city like San Fransisco or New York is about double, mostly due to the rent.

>>40582087
I own it. That's why it's so expensive.

>>40582138
I hope that streaming is your part time job / hobby and not your full time job.
Don't make it full time till you hit 200 viewers.

>>40581064
You seem to know.
Tell me, exactly when did people there stop posting monthly scs earning? I want an exact date, with an exact thread.

>>40577085
They're fucking rich have you ever heard one holo complaining about having no money.
Everyone telling that top holomembers arent millionaire and that the low holo's arent atleast in the middle 6 figures are in denial.

>>40582087
Google New York apartments.

>>40581801
1500 rent
150 cell
120 internet
200 electric
100 heat
400 grocery
300 car payment
300 misc bills

>>40581766
Are you a Cuba?

>>40582386
Well......... I'm on government money....

>>40578636
Ahh, that makes more sense

>>40578578
Kaela probably does make 6 figures, her cut of SCs last year was almost $50k by itself

>>40582138
YOU OWN NOTHING.

>>40582138
Why not sell it and use the money to buy an apartment somewhere actually liveable? You've already said you're on the dole so it's not like there's a job holding you down.

>>40582678
NEET bucks 4 lyphe

>>40582087

tri state area studio apartments are like 2.5k a month lol

granted theres a fuckton of cheaper illegal ones

>>40583056
The thing is the affordable areas have no work. That's why they're affordable

>>40582436
People still post monthly, but they stopped posting daily rankings in April 2022, when Luxiem and Noctyx were topping the charts on an almost daily basis.

>>40577085
I'm just happy for her, man
Fuck you and your numberfaggotry

>>40577136
Not to mention the live concerts are pretty expensive too. Just to watch on youtube it's like $100 and like $200 to physically go to the event.

>>40583138
Yeah true, but he mentioned being on government money and wanting to be a streamer so I doubt that's a factor. A lack of work in country areas is only really relevant to people who give a fuck about their careers, there's usually some form of blue-collar or service work to be found pretty much everywhere.
>making it as a streamer is super conditional though
This is true, but if your only obligation is streaming you'll probably fuck yourself over with shitty NEET habits. Getting a dead-end job at a boring gas-station to supplement your income in a rural area while trying to be a streamer is completely doable. If you don't care about a career anyway.

>>40583056
I have 40 square meteres here and I already live in bumfuck nowhere. I live an hour and a half away from civilization and my friends. If I isolate even more I'll go crazy. What's holding me down is that we're mid recession so I don't think anyone's gonna be able to buy it anyway. I have no education and no means of getting educated, so my jobs are extremely limited right now to the point where the only jobs I can even take won't pay enough... so why bother doing anything at all...

>>40583362
Yeah true. Hopefully there's some rural areas in his state cuz I imagine he's in a blue state if he's getting enough neet bucks to afford that.

>>40579367
Bro, a tiny apartment where Cover is situated is in the thousands per month. And when I mean tiny I mean a rat box basically. Japan is not affordable at all.

https://www.timeout.com/tokyo/news/survey-tokyo-is-the-fifth-most-expensive-city-in-the-world-for-expats-061322

>>40583428
>hour and a half away from civilization
>1.5k at least to maintain apartment
What fucking hellscape is this place anon? I never even want to set foot there.
>recession
Fun fact, it hasn't actually properly popped yet and guess what will lose the most value when it does?

>>40583560
Tokyo is expensive if you're looking in the 23 wards like a dumbass, outside of that you're looking at cost of living comparable to Poland, even cheaper if you're willing to live somewhere that has bad connection with rest of Japan like Takamatsu or Kushiro

>>40583869
I used to live in Tohoku and it was cheaper than my Eastern European shithole home in many aspects. The less dense areas of Japan have almost free real estate, it's fucking mental.

>>40583869
Time to become a rice farmer in the middle of nowhere.

>>40583869
>where Cover is situated
>just don't live in Tokyo
yeah why doesn't everyone just like y'know not live in like expensive cities dude

Oh look it’s another thread where poor people who can’t afford superchats kid themselves that they don’t matter yet every holo slobbers over those dudes who drop akasupa every stream.

>>40583746
Bro this is how it is in most civilized places...

>>40577617
>we have precise data about.
*citation needed*
iirc it doesn't register SCs during mengen streams

>>40584754
Boy am I glad I live in a mid-tier country then

>>40584212
I said "23 wards" for a reason.
Source is livingcost.org because I know the next thing your dumb ass will try to say is that I made it up.

>>40583869
Damn, that is like half of my rent

>>40585483
How far of a train ride are those spots out?

They're retarded millennial/zoomer women who think a million dollars means they never work again. The reason women are most consumer spending is because they blow through money like it's nothing. All of them think the money will keep coming forever, then when it doesn't they'll be angry and confused. In 20 years you'll be at walmart celebrating trans rights day buying some soi milk bug-flavored iced cream and Gura will be there asking if you want to pay a dollar extra for plastic bags (a result of President Hunter Biden's new mandate to stop pollution by plastic bags) and you'll lock eyes for a moment, then she'll look away- she knows you know she knows. She fucked up. The end. That's the rest of her life

>>40577136
This is true but somehow people on here argue that superchats are a huge amount of income when the facts don't support them. We've seen vtubers go a month playing a game they couldn't earn superchats on so it couldn't be that big for them. Unless they earn 100k each month in superchats, it really isn't that big for them.

>>40585483
I guess it depends on travel time then. But from my experience travel in Tokyo is piss easy

>>40586217
>>40587679
We only the studio is "not in the Cover HQ" and "in Tokyo". Even if we assume the second part means Tokyo Prefecture it could even be somewhere like Hachioji. For the sake of the argument I'll just take the time to get to the Yamanote Line.
>Kawaguchi: 17 minutes by JR East local train to Ikebukuro(170¥)
>Tokorozawa: 22 minutes by Seibu rapid train to Ikebukuro(350¥)
>Machida: 39 minutes by Odakyu "local" train that skips some stations but it's still "local" because Odakyu to Shinjuku(380¥)
>Kashiwa: 26 minutes by JR East rapid train to Nippori(470¥)

>>40587724(me)
*we only know

>>40577136
/vt/ really needs to learn them. Hololive makes most of their money through cross promotions

>>40587724
Don't they only have to go to the studio for recordings and 3Ds? You can probably just go live in Saitama or somewhere else cheap and commute in when you have to.

>>40577275
Nijisanji doesn't get cross promos or sponsorships anywhere near the level as Hololive.

>>40588312
just because you don't watch their stream ti doesn't mean what you're saying it the truth

>>40584091
This guy has the right idea. Vegetable farming on a plot of land, decent internet connection and a shitty phone from 2016 is enough for me to live happily till I die

>>40583154
It wasn't because of Luxiem and Noctyx, sister.
Do as I said here >>40582436 change monthly for daily.

If you're a gaijin it's probably hard to capitalize on that.

>>40577700
This, you basicallu design your own house, as realistically as possible, without spheres, circles and whatever engineering headache you might think looks cool, and you just have to get the simple overlook on numbers and math and the contruction will be simple and any other usual house. main cost would be materials (if locally availabe it's cheap), the real headache for her house I imagine would be the electrical wiring and water/drainage because of it, bonus if it also has ethernet outlets for LAN purposes

>>40592860
Original "today's superchats" poster's last post: >>21951844
Someone noticed they stopped posting, so they temporarily posted for a week: >>22094190
And that was it, nobody bothered posting daily superchats after that, because /#/ got sick of seeing so many Nijis in the daily tally.

roboco has lots of members for her ASMR though
also houses in japan are cheap outside tokyo

>>40597237
>because /#/ got sick of seeing so many Nijis in the daily tally.
You are assuming a lot of things. If that's the reason, nobody would post the the daily CCV tally when there's a Nijisanji tournament, since they are full of livers.
It stopped because the original anon wasn't around, and people weren't interested in keeping it going because of the merch exploit that was found on a hololive shop. Not everything revolves around Vox.

>>40597676
this

>>40599687
Dropping daily ccv tallies would make it way too obvious, because then what other numbers is the supposed "number thread" supposed to talk about? It would just become the niji-anti thread at that point.

building a house in japan is pretty cheap, they're literally designed to be knocked down and rebuilt every 20 years. it's mostly the land that'll cost you but there are literally thousands of dying cities and villages in the countryside where you can buy a lot of land for next to nothing

>>40577275
>Why is it even a thing /#/ care about if it's so meaningless?
/#/ doesnt care about superchats and constantly corrects people on the subject retardchama

>>40602075
they cared about SC, but the moment Holos started falling off, and Rushia/Coco are gone, there's no point in dabbing on nijiniggers

>>40577085
Astel, a Holostar, spent 7 million yen on his recent 3D anniversary alone.

>>40602434
I hate you Luxiem sisters so much. There's no point in arguing with a wall.

>>40581064
And it a nijicope when holo merch number were leaked.

Merch>SC, everytime

>>40586267
? A house is literally one of the best investments you could ever have. What the actual fuck are you rambling on about

>>40586267
>They're retarded millennial/zoomer women who think a million dollars means they never work again.
what if it's 5 million though

>>40577275
They are Chinese. They lie to you about Cover leaving all of the talents penniless and begin coping hard when faced with the facts that this is simply not true.

>>40604168
Why does that matter? Numbers are still numbers.

>>40586616
>We've seen vtubers go a month playing a game they couldn't earn superchats on so it couldn't be that big for them
Those games are usually sponsored, idiot