/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

You are probably very new to vtubers if you think they would collab together. Hololive doesn't let collaborations with small random vtubers happen since 2019.

>>405516
Are EN allowed to collab with people outside Hololive?

Now the retards can stop arguing about whether she's really Gura's sister or not.

Begone family parasite.

>>405579
I have been following Kana since her debut in April. I don't really follow Holo much other than watching a bit of Haachama, so I really don't know how they operate.

>>405579
Yeah, but just imagine the content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrPc-kef2V0

>>405579
>Hololive doesn't let collaborations with small random vtubers happen since 2019.
???
Haachama did a vtuber mixer in August 2020 which generated more subs for Mei than when she was mentioned in AI's TV program, other participants also got the boost
Polka pulled Polka to 10k subs in November 2020
Moona also did a few collabs with her art-sisters in December 2020, leading to Nato's monetization approval
Also not direct collab but Mori helped Riri getting exposure by showing her creation in that mixing contest which led to her getting decent sized fanbase with decent income (4m yen in SC so far)

>>405580
Ina not having any collabs with Pikamee yet suggests the answer is "no", but we don't know for sure.

>>405580
theoretically they can, but as with all collabs it requires management approval and the EN manager is cautious. Coupled with just how hard it is to get Gura to respond to anything and the odds are extremely unlikely she'll even acknowledge Kana let alone consider collaborations.

>>405583
people can call them sisters but it's meaningless unless they reciprocate in the same sense Ame doesn't consider Uto to be her sister.

>>406527
Ina just did a collab with Pocchi the other day

>>405516
kana BTFO
https://twitter.com/jeddisorange/status/1358627627423002625

>>406905
I think pochi is slightly different anon. She may as well be an honorary hololive member.

Kana does not need to leech to Gura though. She managed to establish herself way before HoloEn got released.

>>407230
Which makes it even more pathetic

>>407230
Yeah wouldn't she make more money as an indie as opposed to signing a contract with a big company

>fox
>cat design with bells included
>makes noises like a cat
What does it mean though?

>>405580
>>406527
Mori already has, 2 if you count the stream she did with K's. They probably have to get an OK from their manager first but i highly doubt they have a restriction on outside collabs.

>>407295
In theory, yes. This won't happen but hypothetically if she had the same revenue stream as Gura she would be making a fuck ton more money than Gura is right now.

I like Kana but why are Kana fans so autistic?

>>405516
Holy fuck how much begging did Kana do?

>>405516
Sad day. I hate that chicken...

Good

>>405579
???
https://youtu.be/8y0PNnEU4VM
https://youtu.be/lqWlA0dcQXg

>>405579
are you retarded? Pikamee and Ayame just had a collab like several weeks ago

>>407109
That's not how it works

>>405516
>adds her after she leaves her entire V-tuber group to die
Not exactly the best of timing

>>405579
They do sometimes among JP holos so far but it's pretty rare.

EN holos seem mostly intent on avoiding the other vtubers in the West and I think that's fine considering a.) things like vshojo are walking yabs and b.) the immense amount of leeches trying to specifically ride HoloEN. Probably if they do one, then it'll be like the dam breaks, and they'll all get inundated with requests from leeching whos 20x more than they already do. I don't think the ENs want to devote a bunch of their schedules to giving free advertising to people who have nothing in return to give them except drag their numbers down and distract them from things they'd rather be doing/games they'd rather be playing.

>it's real
Holy shit the meme is dead. Good for Kana.

>>411708
> Pikamee
>small
What did he mean by this?

>>405579
How is that a precedent for HoloEN? The gap between them and other western vtubers is too high. Everyone else is a small random vtuber compared to them. Unless you want them to collab with fucking Ny*nners or something.

>>406829
Hasn't Ina already had a collab with non-holos? Kiara is too much of a holo fangirl to want to collab with anyone outside the agency, dunno about calli, but maybe she doesn't want to collab with friends incase it gets out they are friends and she worries there will be some backlash over favouritism.

Ame and Gura being nightmare to manage probably won't be able to.

Though I guess thats just rrat head canon.

>>414483
>Kiara is too much of a holo fangirl to want to collab with anyone outside the agency
Didn't she express interest in collabing with Veibae?

>>405579
Are you new?

>>414145
The JP vtuber community seems much healthier than the EN one. Collabs outside of your respective clique seem more common there.

>>411861
>leaves them to die
>bread gets sponsored stream the same week

>>415394
I suppose JP culture has a kind of... drive to network built in, but EN is mostly made up of socially awkward cliquey weebs. One of my friends is afraid to collab with anyone outside her immediate group for example.

>>405579
clip watcher please go

>dooms company
>mom finally accepts her as daughter
Based mom

I never watched Kana before, is she as retarded as Gura or no?

>>416584
I like her more than Gura.

>>414277
Hololive warps some people into thinking that if someone is 500k or less she's unknown.
>>414145
Kana is fine though, she was Gura before Gura, singlehandedly carrying Tsunderia until she left some days ago, she's the reason the other girls could start with a live2D instead of an ugly ass 3D model made on a char maker, like her debut.

>>416584
>loli
>dumb loli voice
>throw herself to danger just because
>mild retarded
>most of her fans don't know what company she is(was) in
They are the most similar sisters out there

>>414483
Ina only collabed with Pochi mama. Pochi mama is very much a hololive friendly entity. Even yagoo has commented on one of her streams.

Kiara is very outgoing. If you watch artemis' debut. She was there commenting. She responds and reciprocates interactions with other non-holo vtubers.

The only isssue here is whether or not Cover will greenlight a collab.

As far as being "acknowledged" goes between kana and gura... that is a question mark. The only interaction she does on Twitter is to acknowledge her fanarts and streams posts. She only really responds if at all to her genmates or other hololive

>>416584
Different kind of retarded. She acts like she's a stupid helpless moe idiot but she admitted it's an act. Gameplay is just average. Plus her chat is nothing but Komrades, children, and cunnychasers.

>>416653
Also, remember Uto? It's better to avoid associating with hololive, I like Kana and don't want her to retire so soon.

>>416659
Ina - Pochimaru. Only non-holo collab

Calli collabed with Mr. K but I think this one is a special case since we are talking about remixes and i believe he was the one that produced the song. Suisei and Aki would collab with dude during akipella and that music space corner that suisei does so i think this is a special case.

>>416736
Uto fucked up herself, associating with hololive and depending on them to build your fanbase are different things

>>416771
Suisei actually appears on her indie friends channel rarely, but she can't stream it or advertise it.

>>416736
Uto had it coming for being an unashamed leech. Gura's my oshi and I hope they collab one day since they're both cute but there's no need to try and force it unless you want another Uto situation.

>>416653
>singlehandedly carrying Tsunderia
> she's the reason the other girls could start with a live2D
I'd like to see proof of that. She was obviously the most popular and brought in the most money, but Tsunderia had enough money at the start with to fund their first generation. I thought PPP was basically rich. Why do you think he couldn't afford 4 more models?

>>417254
It's not only about money, Tsunderia was mostly unknown without Kana putting them on the map

>>417254
Because she started like shit? If PPP is so rich why didn't Kana start with a live2D, like Char and Purin months later?

>>417343
read >>416658
>most of her fans don't know what company she is(was) in
>>417389
Because he's an idiot. He described VTubing like it was voice acting. Wasn't he only interested in starting the company because he wanted to create facial recognition software? Char has repeatedly said she has to provoke him into doing actual work, which from what I can tell is just paying for things. If money was really a problem, the remaining streamers would have left and the company folded already

Even if you guys agree or not, Gura even pointing her finger to Kana will boost her audience. Sure she is doing okay now but she will do significantly better if she ever get the hololive boost and we are talking about a 2M Gura boost btw. Just imagine Kana holding 10k concurrent viewers because she's doing a collab with Gura. Don't kid yourself. It is a big deal.

The only issue here is wether or not Gura will actually try to reach out and if Enma will allow it. As far as publicly acknowledging it, i doubt it. Gura is very passive ans shy. I bet many fans will get upset if she collab with Kana first rather than a hololive senpai.

>>417503
>most of her fans don't know what company she is(was) in
That just shows how much smaller Tsunderia was compared to Kana, most people found about her due to Youtube's algorithm rather than corporate publicity.

>>417700
This. People seem to constantly forget that Hololive are 'corporate' Vtubers. The corporation wants to make money and Hololive has a pretty good stranglehold on the market in the west.
Even though Cover don't seem to have any idea what to do with this advantage most of the time, they are smart enough to not lose an inch of it by promoting new upstarts and those who might convert fans away from them. Kana would benefit massively from such an interaction, and Cover can only lose.

And irregardless of any of that, Kana and Gura have probably never interacted in any meaningful way and are both weird introverts who are not going to go out of their way to initiate dialogue with each other.

>>417700
>fails to collab well with literally anyone
>leaves company because she can't work with others and wants to be independent
>mAyBe ShE'lL cOlLaB wItH tHe MoSt PoPuLaR vTuBeR oN tHe PlAnEt
>>417782
You...just argued that her leaving would hurt their visibility while acknowledging that she didn't give them any. Which is it: is her leaving going to hurt their discoverability, or were they completely separate and her leaving won't do anything at all?

>>417795
>and are both weird introverts who are not going to go out of their way to initiate dialogue with each other
Hell Kana didn't collab with any of the new girls in Tsunderia, only with Char and Purin, both were her friends already.
>>417940
You can't be this binary with something like that, she gave some visibility but only the people that were there for the live2D reveal knows about tsunderia as a whole, since even during gen0 collabs they didn't advertise tsunderia and always felt like Char and Purin were just some other independent chuubas that she were friends with.
Also all her donations were going to tsunderia too, people knowing about it or not.

>>417940
What are you even talking about? That wasn't the point at all

>>418085
cute gakibutt

I know the whole acknowledged by my "sister" thing looks good and all but Gura and Kana aren't really the type that can make this work. They are introverts trying to be extroverts that has built a community around them. They have to do a lot more steps before this can happen. Like Gura collabing with anyone except for holoen. Maybe holoid? But shd can't even do that. Heck even Ina who seemed to be the most introverted has collabed with more people than Gura. Kana has to do the same as well. The jp schizos will never leave Gura alone if she even try to collab with a non-holo first. She has so much pressure under her. Kana probably doesn't want the drama that is attached with the holocrazies too

>>405579
>Hololive doesn't let collaborations with small random vtubers happen since 2019.
you havent been paying attention then if you've managed to miss all the collabs they had with small indie vtubers.

>>414348
Gura x Nyanners collab when?

Literally who is this beggar?
Another Uto situation?

>>414277
I know she's fat anon, but he means that even though she might have 350k subs, she doesn't get much traction nowadays.

>>405516
>>405583

that timing

>>405580
Mori did with K and Ina did with Pochi

>>416659
Gura responded once to Klaius but I think that's about it

>>416659
I'd rather they collab with English speakers. The jap collabs usually suck for EOPs.

>>422586
The western scene is an absolute cesspit though its not like they have very much to even chose from.

>>422054

I will personally find and burn down Covers headquarters if they ever allow this.

>>423341
I was going to say there is no way it would ever happen with Nyanners being a militant anti lolicon but she obviously cares more about money then her values

>>422054
One of the very few things that could actually make me unsub Gura.

I do hope for it since I feel that Kana and Gura would actually be great sisters in collabs

>>411814
Pochi is an industry professional much like Ui and Tamaki. They get special permissions. It does in fact work that way.

>>422054
I hope Kana and Gura stay as far away as possible from the VShojo """talents"""

>>422054
Froot and Ina will happen first

>>405579
Moona literally just collabbed with a Russian vtuber

Today I will remind you that Kana is actually HERE so behave yourselves.

>>422054
peepe poop jokes all the time are not good for gura
i can see a singing collba maybe wit mouse
or art one between ina and froot.

>>407514
FBK has been trying to tell us all along

>>405579
This isnt true at all and she just graduated from her normal group. Its entirely possible for someone in Hololive to collab with her but grabbing the big G might not be it.

Why is Kana's rigging so much better than Gura's?

>>424760
Yeah. Ina seems so laid back that this can happen. She seems to be on a playful relationship with enma as well so maybe she can get the permission. Cover doesn't really have problems collabing with indies though. This week, matsuri, choco and mel collabed with an indie that also collabed with suisie for a song.
https://youtu.be/-omKAd_sbFo
Moona just did a song cover collab.
https://youtu.be/3Zr8H4B3MYM
Towa will play with Qualia Qu.

The Apex tournament where we got to know Yomi, Sumire and Noah?
Did you know that both Towa and Matsuri will play again in an apex cr cup but this time it's mixed? They will play with dudes. They can be considered as indie i guess.

These examples are all very recent btw. I dunno how different En and Jp is different tbough but by the looks of it, the vtuber has more sway in the matter. They just have to have the conviction for it.

Gura does not strike me to really care about it.

>>430118
You sound retarded. Probably because they have different riggers?? Fucking look it up.

>>422415
Gura has responded to fan artists several times.

>>418085
her design is pure sex

>>427109
remember those vocaroos? she's definitely here

>>423366
>Nyanners being a militant anti lolicon
Her entire shtick is saying sexual shit in a loli voice.

>>431541
I don't, what vocaroos?

>>431642
>he doesn't know

>>431704
I know, but it seems you don't.

>>431642
Yes. Shes a retarded hypocrite

>>432157
Yeah, her entire existence is infinitely worse than anything Gura ever did.
Gura never sexualized herself aside from the RFA streams, and it still blows my mind how normalized that """""game""""" is. Even fucking Ina did one.

>>431541
deaf-kun...

>>422054
Never I hope

>>405579
How retarded are you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI29ccKgyAY

>>427109
KANA I LOVE YOU

>>430911
Why doesn't Cover hire good riggers?

>>439066
They do have like 2-3 good riggers, it's just that Gura and Ame got the short end of the stick while Ina Cali and Kiara got the good ones