/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

more males

AI is the future.

Pander to normalfags.

>>40440412
YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST

>>40440412
>Fire current management in-charge of the girls besides Kiara's manager specifically
>Let the girls be managed by StarsEN management because they actually get shit done
>Issue an ultimatum to those not streaming to either start, taking it slow if they need to but no more than a month and then get into a regular streaming 4-6 days a week, or take the graduation route.
>Release EN3 shortly after ultimatum is made.

graduate them all. trash sidebranch

Terminate Myth and Council. Move IRyS to JP.

Mario Kart tournament deflection thread

Buy Phase Connect

>>40440762
>Terminate Gura
>Move Irys to JP
>Rework remaining Holo contracts to ban RMs

There fixed Hololive.
That’ll be five simoleons plz,

Go back to the old days
>Lockdown
>No males
>More VRchat
>More Minecraft
>Gura and Ina stream

>>40440412
>have sex with all the holos
>fire everyone after

>>40440412
Ask not how, but should you.

>>40440667
Unironically this. Stop dumping money into a dying branch and focus on your core audience (JP).

>>40441158
>More VRChat
get out

>>40440412
You can't save something that doesn't want to be saved OP

Graduate everyone but kiara, irys and fauna right before debuting a new gen. They'll get the memo

unmember and stop donating anyone who doesnt work

Debut a gen that's designated to only stream. No idol shit, no secret project shit, no home 3d shit. Only be cute and stream.

Sell it to Phase Connect

>>40440412
They don't want to be saved.

Assuming I can't just nuke the branch, make them stream MINIMUM 3 day a week, at least 10 hours total a week. Mandatory doctor notes if they are "sick". Mandatory interaction with their fans on twitter at least 5 days a week, including making tweets, liking fan art, interacting with other holomems. Cover song at least once every 3 months, Orisong at least once a year. Just off the top of my head, I would probably add more too if I had time to think about it. And if they didn't like it they could fuck off and I would hire talents who would be more than happy to do the bare minimum to be a part of Hololive. No more leeching off the Hololive name for anyone.

>Force all the girls to stream (especially Gura) at least 50 hours per month minimum, unless there's a really good reason not to. If they can't do their job, they're fired.
>For EN3, Hire 5 girls that actually are motivated to stream.
With these 2 simple tricks, EN will be able to win back their reputation.

>>40440412
It's done. I'm gonna watch JP play Mario Kart and return to happier times.

Make a EN "gamers" gen. One that doesn't focus on singing or dancing, just streaming. That way they don't have to take a month off to fly all the way to Japan to make a 1 hour thing that people will only watch once anyways. Oh and fire Mori.

how did this branch implode so hard jesus christ

>>40440412
Make this group a single Gen, then toss the remains in to Tempiss to die in obscurity.
Cauterize the wound to stop the bleeding.

>>40440412
I mercy kill it.

>>40443981
>Oh Nyo Zero Streams

>>40444094
You can't fail at your job if you don't do your job.

>>40440412
Fire all the women, and hire 100 more males.

>>40440412
Keep making these same threads over and over and over

you incels are not entitled a girlfriend, virtual or not. never forget that.

>>40440412
Streaming hour quotas

>>40444094
This faggot would rather eat shit than nothing.

>>40444495
Indeed, I should become gay and go for men instead. That's why I watch male vtubers

>>40443430
it's all too funny considering how uppity they were back in 2022 and early 2021.

I still remember how some of them even mock their own other branches and call them leeches and failures lol

>>40443430
Homos, Gura going on a health break, barely any streams in December and no EN3. Everyone went full-pessimism once Tempus2 was announced with no EN3 in sight.

>>40440412
More males, I'm predicting by the 5th gen, HoloEN will be unstoppable in all categories

It's really surprising that after all the shit that Sana got for not streaming that none of them saw that and thought to themselves "hmm, maybe I should be better than that" but instead didn't see it at all or decided that this was a good thing to emulate.

I blame the bootlicker sanalites for enabling this bullshit

>>40442941
If they can snag a great value version of Ko'ne, that would be great.

>>40440412
Failed branch on the failed market. too many pretentious western weeb I guess.

Why do these people even care so much for japs idol culture... dude, you're not Japanese, there is no such thing as idol culture in the west lmao. Stop pretending to be one

>>40444816
Correction *in 2020

>>40440412
Rebrand Hololive English to something else entirely while poaching the bigger assets of the current rising talents of small corpos

>>40445015
Sana had an actual job though that paid better and would continue to
support her long-term. These girls fully rely on Hololove and still don't fucking stream when there's nothing any of them can realistically do after this to financially support themselves. It's just insane.

>>40440412
Unironically remove Gura. show the entire branch her attitude and excuses are not okay.

Official Myth 3D debut rather than just plopping them out there. Release generation 3 assuming they currently have candidates on the back burner right now. At around six months down the line EN 4 is released. Before EN 4 get Council official 3D since they are already done with Myth's. Loosen management's restrictions on the girls and make them become more aggressive with permissions so the girls will have more things they'll be motivated in streaming.

When this accelerates to 75 mph, you're gonna see some shit.

New management. They are clearly incompetent and overcautious to the point that it's affecting the girls morale which then goes on to affect the wider fanbase and creates a toxic feedback loop. When management has even managed to make the redditfags riot it's clear they've fucked up.
I think everything has been going downhill since the Coco Taiwan incident when the management adopted this extreme overly cautious and restrictive stance toward the EN branch and never stopped.

>>40440412
What about getting 5 girls that actually like to stream for Gen 3? I might not have a diploma in astrophysics but this seems like the right thing to do.

>>40440412
Tempus3

Complete the trilogy.

>>40445991
We need a heel gen for Tempus, they would unironically become so much better

If EN is successful that means people liked Tempus time to debut Tempus 3 and 4 and have them collab with the girls to show unity. Take that incel idol culture.

>>40440412
Fire the incompetent fools that created this mess, or set them up for constructive dismissal. Replace them with people who aren't retards that think that what works in Japan will just magically work in the West. They should really understand the West well enough not to slam headfirst into culture shock when hiring Westerners to the point that it creates conflict that damages the business. Japanese companies, especially high-tech ones like Cover Corp, should damn well know how we operate. We have had extensive economic relations with Japan for the better part of a century. We have had significant cultural exchange for less time, but decades nonetheless.
Improve permissions. Give more support to the talent so they can do cool shit that makes money. Talent must also actually stream at least 3 days a week unless they're on sick leave, using vacation days, or a legitimate disaster has come up. I support being reasonably generous with this, it's a stressful job. But if they just don't comply with that and won't put in the bare minimum, especially after being warned and given extra support? I don't care what their name is, terminate them without hesitation.

>>40440412
The biggest problems they’re facing right now are sparse and inconsistent streams and a divided fanbase.

Consistent streaming is important because it makes watching someone a habit. One of the big strengths of a corpo or streaming group is that they can rely on each other somewhat for that consistency. If your oshi takes some time off then you can just watch her friend instead, preserving the habit.

But now EN has two things killing their viewers’ watching habit: a lack of streams and a division, made worse by Tempus(though not solely because of them), that has resulted in many viewers disliking some holos enough that they won’t watch them even if they’re the only one streaming. This limits how much other members can help maintain the habit, and makes viewers more likely to simply leave and find something else to do.

Obliviously more holos would help alleviate this problem, and if they had released them 6 months ago might have negated it completely. It’s going to be a lot harder to bring viewers in than it was to lose them, but it’s still absolute best thing they can do to stop the bleeding and start turning things around.

Getting existing members to stream more would also be great, but I don’t see any realistic way to make it happen. I’ve seen people suggest forcing them to stream, but that’s just a fantasy, cover would never do it and if fans found out it would be a huge shitstorm. Not happening, forget it.

More holos are the only viable way to make more streams, and more streams are the only way to save holoEN. They should aim for 2 new generations of girls this by the end of this year,

>>40446386
They're going to have to start firing people for not doing their fucking jobs at this rate.

>>40446386
they can't if they do , their homo champions mori and improve yourself will lose even more viewers

>>40445938
back when en first launched I didn't think their managers could be worse than the jp side

>>40446386
They stopped streaming because of the homos, which is the same reason why Mori streamed with the homos. Out of spite. Why should Gura allow homobeggars to spam her chat, and why should she let worthless faggots draft off of her success? Sink of swim, but do it on your own.

>>40447905
> Sink or swim, but do it on your own.

>>40446787
If that were to happen I would kneel do hard my legs would break

>>40446787
I agree, it would be good to start firing the managers. it wouldn't surprise me if their setup was similar to those twitter videos from last year

As easy and understandable as it is to blame the talent for lack of streams, I unironically lay full blame at the feet of management. I've personally seen chuubas I like have their motivation fucking tanked by shit managers doing absolutely zero to enable them to do things they like. You wanna talk laziness, how about these office niggers get off their fat yellow asses and send out some faxes to get some game permissions? How about the managers stop screaming and crying at any idea that has the slightest imagined yab potential?

>>40448507
I want their skulls.

I think trying to save hololive is just a lost cause at this point because of how fucked up the transition from vtubers being a JP only thing into being EN as well. At the time most EN people only watched clips of some cute girls they barely understood, they weren't ready to develop a healthy fandom. The EN vtuber market is still developing, but it's matured a bit and it's easy to see now that the holoEN launch was influential only for its intial novelty and that other, more recent players in the scene have been the ones pushing it forward.

>>40448507
plausible. seems more they are running EN like a rigid TV network where the talent don't have much say in things.
'Gura your last stream was a brand risk!! what's that fauna, you want to stream outside the usual two time slots? pushing it over here. exactly two streams today, mori and baelz. then we rotate again. ame wants WHAT approved in two months?'

>>40449827
If they're running shit like that, they really do just need to fucking die.

I wish I knew what the perceived problem was, but I just watch Mumei, and she streams a ton. I mean, not so much over holidays, but that's kind of a given.

>>40448507
This desu. People don't just lose motivation for no reason, especially in a job that all of them were doing for fun before they got hired. In most cases when employees give up at a job they previously enjoyed it's because of all the external bullshit and poor management preventing them from doing the part of the job they actually like. And at a certain point when you've been phoning it in for long enough it is almost irrecoverable, it's probably hard to just go back to work like nothing happened and start streaming as usual, the pressure gets more and more the longer you've been gone and you start stressing about how behind you are and having to deal with everyone's reactions to you being back. Doubly so in a highly public job where you kind of have to be in a good mood from day one and also when you don't have the financial need to force yourself to suffer through it.

>>40440412
Literally just fucking stream, you useless whores

>>40450048
Mumei even streams for us while on vacation, I feel bad for these fags whose oshis don't care about them

>>40451285
>People don't quit bad jobs, they quit bad bosses
The truth shall always remain.

>>40451472
Yeah, I couldn't even say she didn't stream over holidays, just not "as much." And I bet that silly dork even felt guilty over that. Dumb owl. Love her so much.

>>40440412
Let the talents make their own beds and the market run its course.
If it dies it dies

>>40450048
...Yeah, if you're just watching Mumei, you're not going to notice a thing. She's one of the good ones even if I don't totally click with her.

>>40440412
Move away from recruiting online and start recruiting from the cities. I think it's clear that chronically online menharas working remotely across the globe cannot meet working standards nor, and more importantly, maintain group morale and team synergy. The last two can only realistically be built up face to face in the same room.
The JP branch members talk and meet with each other in person all the time, builds camaraderie and motivation. Meanwhile EN is basically a global branch with meet ups being an herculean effort even within the US. Gen solidarity simply cannot be created over Discord.
Exclusively recruiting in one city would also allow Hololive to deepen the talent search, finding people that don't have much of an online presence for one reason or another. Obviously you want people who even have a clue, but aren't suffering from internet psychosis either. The online talent pool in the west is simply tapped out right now and you simply have to start looking elsewhere.

>>40451852
Not a horrible idea, honestly. US/Canada is so incredibly spread out that an offcollab becomes a huge event when it should be a common occurrence.

>>40451852
If only there was a massive city with safe and reasonably affordable outlying suburbs in addition to being a centrally-located business, tech, and logistics hub in the US, with a Japanese market right next to the airport in addition to a reasonably-sized local community of native Japanese-speakers... oh wait, we have one.

>>40452965
Is this some Californian reference I'm too American to understand?

>>40452750
Hololive probably made the same mistake many foreigners make when they come to America: they just don't understand just how HUGE America really is.
>>40453121
He's referring to Seattle.

>>40453121
>California
I did say centrally-located.

>>40453284
>He's referring to Seattle.
Oh, Rainy California, got it.

>>40451852
or you could have a actual mandatory 6months or something holodorm. hire lets say all over Europe and set them up in a place with great internet like the Netherlands. this way you can have easy dance/singing lessons together and build a bond. also makes for great stream topics about who did what dumb thing back in the dorms.

>>40453520
I'm genuinely frustrated in how long we've had HoloEN, and that there's been ZERO cohabitation. Not a single pair of girls rooming up, let alone a full Holohouse. Fucking pitiful.

>>40440412
make them stream
ez

>>40440412
Enforce Martial law!

>>40440412
By immediately terminating Ina and Gura's contracts. Haven't thought much past that point.

Go back to their idol roots.
Focusing on streaming was a mistake because NO STREAMS.

>>40443981
I don't understand the logic of including Gura in this group.

Hire some delicious european waifu babes that actually love to stream for more than 1 or 2 hours, stream most days of the week, and don't spend 30 - 50% of the year on break.

>>40454078
Unluckily for you, they are getting picked up by small corpos faster than you can say "NO STREAMS"

>>40453284
>>40453121
Chicago fits the bill too and is relatively cheap for a big city, they've got options. Setting up shop in a safe but business-friendly suburb would probably work out.

Send Reine-sama and her entourage go on behalf of Cover and have them "talk" to the EN girls

>>40454582
I don't see how a lesbian orgy could make things better

Split it into a Stars+girls branch and a pure no-males-allowed branch. Make it a lore thing to justify it. The former would be like NijiEN and the latter like old-school EN. The girls of each branch could collab with each other but the guys could only collab with the Stars girls. It would stop a lot of the infighting and help Cover see where they would make more money.

>>40454161
I'm sure they can find some. Honestly it isn't that hard to figure out how to save the branch.

Give us delicious waifus with a hot european accent who aren't complete hoes. Have them stream and count the dollar signs.

All we want is to form an unhealthy parasocial relationship with a woman who loves to stream games and isn't a whore. Is that too much to ask?

>>40454795
>Is that too much to ask?
anon...

>>40454773
It'd be one hell of a distraction, at least.

Invent a time machine and go back to 2020 when they still had something to prove. They're all more or less done with putting in any effort and have settled for the amount of money they're raking in.
Cover management has also already failed tremendously by not putting in some form of extended RM clause.
I'm also assuming the EN talents renegotiated their contracts to do away with the three stream quota. Adding another generation will do nothing to fix it. The new girls will see what the old girls are getting away with and you'll end up in the same situation of apathy a year after their debut.

Graduate all the non-whores and send them over to Nijisanji.

All the ones who collab with males can stay in their dying sinking company.

>>40440412
Step 1: Fire middle management, grant more power to the managers who deal with the talents directly, slowly hire on new people as needed. I don't have the chart of all the employees, but Hololive is fucking bloated.

Step 2: A Phase Connect style Phase Invader program for EN3 (girls). Bring in established hard working 2-3 views into English to whip these talent bitches into working. These ones know how hard it is out there and they'll put in the fucking work. Hell, Hololive JP has already established history of doing something similar like that.

>>40453634 (me)
right, also, figure out how to fucking streamline permissions and shit so you can get more of them so that some of the members might actually fucking stream stuff more

>>40454924
I mean kiara hasn't lost her drive. You need to find more euro babes like that who actually love what they do.

People like koyori, kiara, and watame. That's what will save it. Don't just give up so easily.

>>40444743
Quality over quantity as you people say :)

>>40440412
Start cracking the whip and force these girls to stream more. Start shit canning some even. Also don't cave to the schizos, don't show weakness like the faggots that locked the reddit, but don't antagonize them either. Instead go the tried and true divert attention away from complaints with a new gen. Start teasing the debut EN3 girls that they surely have right now, hell copy what they did with tempus and what nijis are doing and make a 2 part debut with the part two of the new EN girls debuting a few months apart, but make subtle teases to these hidden away girls to slowly build up hype. Also start giving schizos plenty of warning when a Stars may show up since they're mentally stunted and can't handle even the hint of a male holopro vtuber existing. Nothing wrong with advertising the boys and they should never cave to schizos telling them to stop advertising them on the holopro accounts, maybe throw them a bone and make a girls only news update or something but be sneaky and make the most update to date super duper coolest updates on the holorpro twitter.

Full gender segregation enforced with an iron fist. If they so much as indirectly mention a Holostar on stream or on twitter, they get suspended and fined.

>>40455579
From a business perspective it doesn't make sense to "crack the whip" on the current girls since they still generate a lot of income even as they currently stream.

A better strategy is to leave the ones who don't want to stream alone (like ayame) and provide more incentives to members who DO like to stream. For example, reducing the cut cover corp takes by a little bit if their average streaming hours per week go over 25 etc.

>>40455312
There is neither quality nor quantity right now, faggot.

>>40455304
Kiara is an outlier. She started by trying to make it as an actual idol. To her, Hololive is some way to cope with all of the bad shit that happened to her RM. The issue is that these girls don't really see vtubing as anything but a paycheck. It's the same thing with people auditioning and trying to get in. Every single person who has been in the vtubing game understands that the second they make it into a big corpo, they're already set. They instantly lose the passion they had to grow like when they were still 2view indies.
To fix this, you need to fix the work culture in HololiveEN. I have no idea how they'd even do it at this point without firing talents. Even then it's still incredibly risky and wouldn't really make much sense since they're still bringing in tons of money.

>>40454772
I'm surprised cover didn't make this kind of contingency plan. The same can be settled for future en stars. Creating a safe place for Gachikoi/ Unicorns and providing a barrier to people who force collabs on the talent.

>>40455918
I don't even want to fucking see people who won't do their jobs. Even Ayame has been streaming pretty regularly lately.

>>40455931
Show me your favorite Gura clip of 2023.
Come on anon the thread is waiting.

>>40456132
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R96HMgcGp8

>>40455957
>I have no idea how they'd even do it at this point without firing talents.

You dangle more money in their face if they step up and stream. Money is a powerful motivator. Offer additional benefits on top of that too.

>>40456387
They already make money, that's why they don't stream. You have to take away the incentive for NOT streaming.

>>40456132
Error 404: Page not found.

>>40456505
Contracts don't work like this. You can be damn sure they renegotiated to remove the obligatory streaming after their first year.

>>40455957
leave the veterans to do their thing, get new hires who want to work and change your business strategy which is apparently letting talents slack off

Holo EN is dying not because of the homos
>lockdowns are over so the vtuber fad is no longer popular in the west
>too many EN vtubers that occupy any niche one can think of
>lack of talent among western women. The best EN doesn't hold a candle to the average JP talent pool in singing or comedic timing
>Japanese society values cuteness, the west finds cuteness cringe, women need to be strong
>JP vtubers all live in Tokyo, so they can easily do offcollabs or go to the 3D studio. ENs don't live in the same city, state, country or even continent
>nip women have better work ethics than western women. The health breaks are an excuse, if they are earning 5-6 figures of passive income every month, why bother even working longer hours for a slight increase? It's also the reason why men earn more than women, western men are more willing to do extra time
How to fix EN? Fire the existing ones and hire nips that speak English (or western women that speak Japanese) and are living in Tokyo

>>40456665
If someone came to me and said "keep paying me but remove my contracted hours" you best believe I would be telling them to get fucked.

>>40456383
I don't see Gura in here.

>>40456505
Exactly. They get a salary from the company, right? Dock it if their hours are too low. They get it back after they stream a certain number of hours, which they’ll have to do if they want superchat bucks anyway.

>>40456761
I just like faunas feet and it was adjacently Gura related

>>40454795
>European women
>not complete whores
>caring about anime and/or games
Who is going to tell him?

Tempus 3
Ban anyone asking for Hololive girls 3
Start saying Hololive Production is the name of the company so holostars (holostars OG, Uproar and Tempus) are hololive
Have Vesper do a big stream he hypes up beforehand with the guys, get 12-20k CCV, then raid Tempus 3 so their numbers go way up
Have omega post smugly on twitter about how cool it is that Tempus members all have 100k subs and take credit for it (this is very important)
Bonk Kiara for criticizing omega
Promote mori more since she will shill the boys

>>40456676
>get new hires who want to work
That's the thing though. No one who is getting into the vtubing business at this point wants to work, they just want to be streamers to collect a paycheck. If they were allowed to, you better believe they would be react-tubers who just watch videos all day and react. The problem with EN is that they let the first gen get away with not streaming after their first year. Council girls saw this and used it as an excuse to not stream either. The strategy for talents then became "why stream everyday when I can get away with streaming maybe once a week, collect all of the superchat money from my returns then leave again". The numbers are there, you can see how effective it is. Sana made more money from superchats in one day after her month long hiatus than she did busting her ass streaming for a week at the start.

>>40440412
>How do you save the branch?
Don't hire Koreans or Chinese-Canadians and avoid anyone into art

>>40456665
If the company didn't tell them to go fuck themselves, it deserves to go under. This is a fucking clown show.

>>40456745
Except your worker makes tons of money for you and will most likely keep making a ton of money for you but will work less. I don't see a world where telling them to fuck off is the right choice. You'd lose money by firing them at that point.

>>40456940
cucklings are mentally ill

>>40457331
I may be mentally ill but I'm happy

>>40457117
What not to do

>>40442550
Pretty good start. I have no idea why this isn't already the baseline

nobody tell the antis that the JP side more than 3 times the members of EN

just debut a new gen so they can start filling the gaps while the current ten are busy reaping the rewards of their success by fucking around in other countries or working on bigger projects or whatever they do

>>40440762
>>40441149
Terminate IRyS because she's a cunt
Fire Omega and anyone associated with Ina since their picks are cancerous
Create a new manager persona which is based off a used car salesman from Los Angeles (she will obviously be blonde because even though LA is full of mexicans, all fictional americans are blonde)
Debut EN3, but 2 of them are spanish speaking (one puerto rican and one venezuelan)
The venezuelan has to really hate communists (this is important) to the point where she has to edit some streams so she doesn't offend soiboi bernie supporters with her anti-Chavez rants
The puerto rican should be a mulatto who listens to reggaeton
The other 3 should be asian girls who hold citizenship in countries like south korea or vietnam
Kiara, Mori, Fauna, Bae, Ameglia, Mumei, Kronii are all cool. Gura never officially graduates but becomes a mascot.
Make sure Mori makes 10 more rap albums (this is important).

>>40457301
You lose even more money by destroying your brand's reputation.

>>40457368
>what is already happening anyway

>>40457434
>Create a new manager persona which is based off a used car salesman from Los Angeles (she will obviously be blonde because even though LA is full of mexicans, all fictional americans are blonde)
the solution was so simple the entire time...

Legitimately?

- Immediately get to work on Gen 3 and Gen 4 for 2023.
- You have better contracts with them from the start with strict guidelines on minimums of how many streams / how many hours they HAVE to stream a week or they're fired.
- When it comes time for the others contracts to be renewed, you put the same stipulation in place or you insta-graduate them, not even letting them say goodbye, instantly locking all of their accounts as well.
- You hire better management for them that comes from an English working environment background, not a Japanese one and knows how to handle them better.
- In both the contracts and the hiring process, you ensure that the talents are COVER talents. That means a no-competition clause for all of them. Extend that out to 5+ years after they leave the company as well so they can't pull a Coco.

It really isn't rocket science, it just needs to be treated more like the business it is and not just a dumping ground for people to do as they please under the company name. Non-Japanese people do not have the same standards and work ethic as the Japanese and have to be forced into compliance or they'll think they're in charge.

>>40457442
The question then becomes, "is it worth it to cut short term gains for long term gains" and then "how long will the vtuber bubble actually last". At some point vtubing will die. I imagine it's slowly declining even now with the high point being in 2020 due to covid.

>>40457442
Hololive is appealing to the masses of reddit retards who worship cover as a company and twitterati who seem to exist plus rando chinese chicks who are into genshit impact (hence the genshit designs) to get back into the chinese market in a roundabout way (yogiri should never have been graduated since she is taiwanese, hololive TW when?) and lay the groundwork for hololive ES complete with a low IQ argentine, a colombian socialist, a venezuelan living in the USA as a refugee, a random white person who speaks spanish and claims to be '1/4 cuban' (citation needed) and a spanish chuuber (no mexicans for s ome reason, mexican vtubers are really rare for unknown reasons it's all puerto ricans and argentines).

>>40457699
Vtubing is still growing, the only thing that's dying is HoloEN.

>>40440412
Honestly so much hate about Tempus (both original series and Deep space nine) could have been averted if they just put up a note saying that Gen 3 was coming soon, please anticipate.

The backlash is because people believe that Cover are now 100% focused on them instead of their core audience. The reddit mistake where they only promoted the stars side of Countdown didn't help this impression.

The Holopro unity is also weird. Most people don't care about the guys. Those that care about the guys probably don't care about the girls. Why force them to wade through content they have no interest in? Even Stars fans I know think this is way too soon and are worried that this will split their audience, just when they were establishing themselves. Absolutely nobody was asking for 4 more of them this soon.

>>40457627
This guy gets it.

>>40457627
Honestly, it surprised me that Cover didn't have a non-compete clause. In other entertainment-related industries, those kinds of things are standard unless the star you're signing up is too big to leash with a non-compete

>>40457627
The fact that they're allowing the talents to do RM shit within the same year that they debuted is beyond retarded.

I think a management replacement would be a good shift.
As it stands the EN management seems to be the window tribe of Cover. Meaning they're the people they wish would quit but due to Japans corporate culture and labour laws, they can't.

Probably best to go with a North American management team. Much as I dislike Americans and their ability to destroy everything they touch.
Either way whoever you put in place needs to be given carte blanche to do whatever it takes and full access to their revenue.

So what would we do from there?
First is we need to start organising events. Get the girls to do karaoke concerts in VRchat or something.
Start throwing out feelers for sponsorships. Be prepared to accept lowball offers. Because nobody is gonna give you much.
Run raffles for members to win a chance to meet their oshi. Not like in person, more a personal 1 on 1 (or small group) chat. Ollie recently got a lot of hype from her community by inviting her members to play Among Us with her. Do that.
See if you can organise charity drives. Sure you don't get much cash out of them but they're good press.
On top of all this give the girls more freedom in and support on their projects and more importantly when you give the ok on a project, you don't change your mind later on.
Finally figure out what their relative endurance and outside commitments are. All this "oh I'm ill" shit has got to be sorted out. If they're being worked to the point they go on hiatus on the regular then something is wrong. Either the company is fucking them or their community is fucking their head up.

>>40453610

I got news for you; outside of the fact they work for the same company, they've got individual lives, personalities, and family situations, not to mention other jobs / school / ambitions. With how many people there are in Hololive, I guarantee more than a few are married, dating people, or have actual children. This goes doubly for EN and ID who don't have the "Must be in Tokyo" requirement to their job. They're all over the world and it's very hard to go "Okay, uproot your entire life, move across the country, and live with me."

Just have Gura start streaming again

>>40458276
>I guarantee more than a few are married
to me
>dating people
me
>or have actual children
with me
the children?
also me

>>40440412
>Kino Japan ARC just Over
>Ina's coming back in two days
>Needs to be save

Graduate another girl
after Sana's death Council actually started putting an effort

>>40456745
You and the guy you are firing are expendable. They aren't, the entire channel revenue revolves around that person.
Brave replaced Gamebu seiyuus and the backlash killed the company

>>40458162
non-compete clauses aren't universally applicable.
In the USA yes you can go absolutely ham with them and basically make it impossible for someone to ever work again in any field.
But the rest of the world would look at such a non-compete, laugh, throw it out then hammer the company with fines.
The non-compete he suggests would not fly in the UK for instance. A judge would take one look at it and immediately tell Cover to call their bank and arrange a loan because damages are going to be expensive.

I'm not sure what Japanese law is in regard to non-competes. But judging by Covers behaviour its probably closer to UK law than it is US law.

>>40457627
Seems fair. It's fucking beyond absurd some of these thots are pulling down 500k a year after tax and still can't manage a standard 4 streams per week schedule. People are buying their merch and paying for memberships and clearly half the talent feel no obligation toward their fans to provide anything in return so it should be Cover whipping them to not be lazy fucks

>>40458189
What "RM shit" are you talking about?

>>40458597
Laplus
Mori
Magni

>>40458597
Basically anything that dogwhistles your current audience to your RM persona.
Mori, IRyS, Laplus and now Magni have done it.

>>40458710
out of those 3, only laplus is a bitch. other 2 still does their holo job
but i agree, new hires should be banned from RM shit for at least 2 years

>>40458802
I don't actually see this a problem though because they will still support their vtuber persona regardless.

Now if they were streaming with RM persona more than their hololive vtuber persona that is a massive issue, but that isn't the case.

>>40458869
Mori is infinitely worse than Laplus. Laplus for the most part still does a good job in collabs and on the official channel and keeps her thottery in private. Laplus has never collabed with a homo on her channel

>>40458480
based on this https://www.nishimura.com/sites/default/files/tractate_pdf/ja/80459.pdf article from a Jap law firm, the tl;dr is that the enforcement of a non-compete would depend on whether the company can prove in court that they're not stepping on the employee's constitutional rights
Then again, it's entirely possible that Cover is playing by the labor laws of *each* country a specific girl comes from. I wouldn't envy their legal department if that was the case

>>40459029
>homo
oh, youre just one of those mindbroken fucks

>>40459063
>Laplus is worse than mori bros
>Praise the homos
Ok so you're just a retarded cuck, good to know

>>40457627
Can't really do half of that shit at this point or you'll risk a walkout

>>40459063
>Laplus antis are unironic homobeggars
Called it

>>40459001
>Now if they were streaming with RM persona more than their hololive vtuber persona that is a massive issue, but that isn't the case.
Except for every ounce of effort they put into RM shit, they're taking out of their Holo persona. You think IRyS didn't collect her $2000 paycheck from patreon when she took her break at the start of last year?

>>40440412
I merge with Anykara and accelerate

>>40459188
Over half of EN already dont stream. Fuck it, start from scratch if they have to, they will still have viewers because of holo name.

>>40459188
There is no chance in hell the girls are going to give up a 5 - 6 figure per month cash cow.

They would probably bitch but if push came to shove they would shut up and do their jobs.

>>40459136
we were talking about prioritizing RM shit instead of their holo job, laplus is the worst offender out of 3. mori shat 44 songs THIS year on her holo job. magni still hasnt produced content on his RM.
meanwhile laplus was just using her holo status to promote her RM whorish behaviour. but you say mori is worse because she collabs with males. mind broken cuck

>>40459063
>thinking referring to stars as homos identifies an anon as one thing or another

>>40459188
Oh no that means we might go without streams. Imagine how terrible that would be

>>40459288
>mori shat 44 songs THIS year
44 songs in 7 days? Impressive.

>>40459334
my bad, in 2022. point still stands, cuck

>>40459288
>but you say mori is worse because she collabs with males.
Yes. Fuck you homofaggot kys. There is one rule, give me CGDCT in your Hololive content that's it.

>>40459433
Thanks for your concession.

>>40459030
By the sounds of it then Japanese law is similar to British law in that you can not prohibit someone from continuing to work in the same industry and further their career in said industry.

International employees can always be a bit of a headache.
Mainly because while you will typically stipulate in the contract which nations laws apply, its all too easy for one party to just go "lolno" and drag you into their nations courts.
Especially in regards to employment law, the developed nations tend to get real possessive over their people.

This happened a number of times in the early days of the internet when US companies hired British computer technicians who would work remotely thanks to said miracle of the internet.
US companies would slap them with US legal contracts, the instant there was some kind of conflict the UK employees would drag the US companies into court over violations of UK employment law and win.


Considering we've seen a number of holos continue their own activities. Its pretty clear that Cover is applying Japanese law.

>>40446240
>Replace them with people who aren't retards that think that what works in Japan will just magically work in the West
Jokes on you faggot, that's exactly what's going on, EN management believes that Twitch is what western fans want

>>40459506
You're the one whose branch is dying because half your cockchasing whores keep shoving homo content into their streams

>Defending the lean chugging wigger
>"Ackchually guys homos are...le good"

If I go to my boss and say "I'm ill" and then proceed to take a 6 month break traveling the world on vacation followed by 2 years of showing up to work 1 - 3 days a week for 1 or 2 hours what will happen to me?

Cover can't force the issue, mandatory streaming would quickly turn into an "I'm here so I don't get fined" situation and then Cover would be done on the EN side at the very least, if not all of the company.
The biggest problem is that as it stands, EN is still profitable for Cover despite no streams. Retarded fans eat anything up and praise the talents slacking off because "they worked so hard (rumao), they deserve a break". Hard work and effort is not appreciated by viewers, dumb memes are. Cocer likely has feelers out for the market and see that large investments would not guarantee a payoff, hence they sit on their hands.
In a way, the problem is solving itself: as fanbass slowly peters out, eventually comes a point where EN is in the red, where Cover does one of the two things: they reinvest to earn more money (more company-mandated projects, more outfits, more 3D appearances, new gens) and hope that they see even more profit from it, or they downsize the branch and keep only those who have a personal drive to be in Hololive, cutting their costs and guaranteeing a stable market share with a core fanbase.

>>40459844
>"I'm here so I don't get fined"
which is still more than just not being there

>>40459817
If you're in HoloEN? A five figure check each month with hundreds of pathetic redditors saying "get well soon, you deserve the break kween" on twitter

>>40459188

I guarantee you can. If new Gens are coming in WITH those things in place, they'll literally know what they're getting in to. Cover literally has told us they get over 6k applications per gen, I'm sure they can find 5 willing to accept those terms.

If the EN girls choose not to renew their contracts with those terms, what are we going to really be losing; 1-2 streams a month that they barely manage to do now? Oh no, what a fucking loss.

>>40455016
>send all the vtubers who don't collab with males to a company where they will collab with males

>>40460026
They'd be insane to leave anyway. It's the easiest and most profitable job these thots will ever have to do in their lives, quitting because they get asked to do the bare minimum would be a level of retardation even women are incapable of.

>>40460026
Cover couldn't legally impose some of those requirements.
The non-compete is a complete non-starter outside the USA.
The rest are just going to kill motivation.

>>40449827
>what's that fauna, you want to stream outside the usual two time slots? pushing it over here.
That reminds me; I wonder if anyone of the new Tempus are gonna try to push for a stream besides PST Prime time like Vesper did. Sure sounds lovely watching a 1 A.M. debut.
>>40450048
Maybe it's just me or this board just being 100% down on EN, but I feel like I don't see enough appreciation for Mumei. Anyone remember when she shitposters were throwing around "Ayame of EN" and then she did an Animal Crossed into an archived Karaoke into an unarchived Karaoke?

>>40459518
Well, shit, good luck to Cover then. Looks like more carrots would have to be applied rather than sticks. It'd be easier to do that if Cover hired by city so they could centralize giving soft-incentives like branch activities, vacations, etc
Like, instead of just 'Hololive EN', we'd have:
>Hololive Seattle or Chicago (to cover US)
>Hololive... Paris? Berlin? London? (to cover EU)
>Hololive Sydney? Brisbane? (to cover Ukraine)
you get the drill. Each branch, its own management, and modeled after JP but adapted depending on on-the-ground conditions (especially labor laws)
Even the current girls can still be kept; split them according to what country they're in, and have inter-branch collabs when able
Of course, this won't have to happen at once

>>40460151
>motivation
they already dont stream though????

>>40460211
>*to cover Austraila
That was a typo sorry I suck cocks

>>40440412
stream.

>>40456505
Removing incentive to not stream requires removal of their management

>>40459518
Japan literally has a law called Restrictive Covenants. One of the subsections under it: Non-compete clauses, which specify they are legal as long as "the scope of the non-compete obligation should be reasonably limited and restricted to those obligations which are actually necessary to protect the company’s interests."

A 5-year ban on activities on alternate vtuber accounts would definitely fall into a necessity to protect the company's interest, which is to draw in an audience with specific talents. If that person leaves, taking their voice and personality to the same industry, they WILL draw away some of the former fans, therefore the business has directly lost money and therefore its interests have been damaged.

>>40460211
You severely limit your recruiting pool then and cause headaches in trying to figure out how to find people in the first place.
And cause huge headaches for corporate who will have to somehow coordinate and manage teams all across the planet.
Plus the costs of office space and facilities. Potential liabilities on staff like pension schemes and insurance.
Way way more work than it's worth.

I understand your goals here. But the JP office magic can only really work in Japan.
This is why Japan is their primary market and the source of the majority of their revenue.

>>40460704
That kind of thing is more applicable to company secrets rather than what is in effect an actor.
You can't bar an actor from acting, you can't ban a mangaka from making manga.
These kind of restrictions are all about protecting trade secrets and proprietary information. So you can't take your former employers methodologies and intellectual property over to a competitor.

>>40459844
Cover has not debuted EN3 because the talent pool in the west is abysmal and they don't want people to see that they lost their midas touch when they debut some side grades or even downgrades to myth and council and their numbers go under 5k ccv in a matter of weeks. They still want everyone to think that joining HoloEN is a golden ticket so the more talented ones apply to their company or are willing to drop their current corpos for them when they get a call from them.
They will probably debut EN3 if they see their revenue decrease dramatically and need to revitalize the holofan enthusiasm

>>40461059
Yeah this is why we're getting so many holostars.
There's a lot more good male talent in the west than female talent.

Two things would help immensely. Minimum streaming hour requirement and a consistent streaming schedule. In the west a consistent schedule is absolutely paramount to success, second only to god audio quality for your mic.

>>40459844
>or they downsize the branch and keep only those who have a personal drive to be in Hololive, cutting their costs and guaranteeing a stable market share with a core fanbase.
Amusingly enough I can see cover actually keeping Mori in this scenario.

>>40461278
Oh definitely.
Mori will get transferred to HoloJP before they get rid of her.
She's a bit of a prize cow for the company as she's the only one with a record deal.

>>40461147
Honestly the holostars are extremely boring and uninteresting people without any real talents. That's fine if the girl is cute and is an anime waifu (think iroha or ina), but when it's a guy you just don't watch.

>>40460754
I *think* it can be done if it was built slowly from the ground up, honestly (just the US and EU branches at first, or so)
Because as it stands (to me, at least) EN is too spread out.
Like what other anons pointed out earlier in the tread, JP has access to good corporate infrastructure (3D studios, activities with other JP talents, etc) plus all the other benefits of working in the same country you live in). Meanwhile EN branch members have to scrounge (maybe an over-exaggeration but still) for resources and infrastructure while being expected to perform at a level comparable to JP. Having them in one country (better if one city, but all right) gives a decent chance at setting up the minimum necessary infra
So it's either they go a bit full hog on the international thing (which they probably won't), or EN vtubers in general will just see HoloEN as a dead-end company where you'll always be second-class compared to the home office (which I personally find likely)
I'm crying in the rain here with this, I know

>>40440412
ban americans from watching vtubers
simple as

>>40461577
If you go this route you'll end up turning down good talent because they are not located in the right area.
Trying to arrange for each gen to be in a particular area and they just got to work the infrastructure out themselves. That could work.

>>40461278
In such a scenario, Mori, Kiara and Bae would stay guaranteed while Ina, Gura and Kronii gets the cut. IRyS vegetates in the corner as always and she's very easy to milk, so she also stays. Ame, Fauna and Mumei are uncertain.

>>40461944
>and they just got to work the infrastructure out themselves
Ah yes, that's worked out wonderfully so far.
"Hey EN, we're gonna need you to do all the shit the JPs do, except we're going to give you zero fucking support. Also we refuse to pull any legwork on perms. And you better follow our arcane and outdated rules."
Really keeping the current batch of ENs motivated.

>>40461147
Holostars pander to a different demographic. With holostars they don't want NijiEN to monopolize the EN male scene and there's a clearly lack of male vtuber companies so they are still relatively early to grab some marketshare.

>>40462140
Well if you have them clustered together. Their chances of managing to get that infrastructure going are a lot higher.
And you avoid facepalm worthy outcomes like Kiara trying to rent them.

>>40462096
>Ame, Fauna and Mumei are uncertain.
The de facto EN manager, the biggest streamer of Council, and a niche but frequent streamer who has basically never gone any real length of time without streaming are uncertain? Is this bait?

>>40461944
I'm the anon from earlier. Well, looks like that's the only scenario, no? I just hope Cover is willing to give them an incentive big enough to uproot and go to where they have to
They could try it out for EN Gen 3 or 4, actually

>>40440629
>>Let the girls be managed by StarsEN management because they actually get shit done
Vesper literally got suspended for yelling at one of them staff for being incompetent

>>40462294
>de facto EN manager
Man, the newest Teamate fanfiction is getting exciting.

>>40440412
I will not save the branch
I hate hololive
It cannot be saved anyway
Gura can save herself tho

>>40462613
Ame gives the girls more support than management does.

>>40462294
>The de facto EN manager
You can't be "EN Fubuki" when you openly hate your cuck viewers as much as she does. Her calling Gura a "fucking bitch" on stream killed her chances of ever being an EN lynchpin and cemented her as a bitter cunt who will always remain on the fringes of Hololive

>>40462720
Sometimes I forget that nearly everyone here is unemployed.

This entire thread is pointless because the only thing that will happen is the girls (besides kiara) will continue to not give a single fuck about streaming because they can get away with it.

Cover will prioritize holostars even though no one really gives a shit about them or wants to watch them.

>>40463245
>This entire thread is pointless
Yeah no shit none of us are actually going to be managing HoloEN. It's called a theoretical conversation you absolute autist.

>>40463245
Who knows, maybe a roving manager will see the thread and take some advice to pull HoloEN from the mediocrity it's wallowed in for the past year

Kiara is the only one who actually streams but has the least subs.

That just goes to show that not streaming is the best way to get followers and make money. Hence why they don't stream.

>>40463530
Sana understood this and ascended early.

>>40463515
given how they usually do things I'd expect them to only follow the worst advice in the thread

>>40440412
Fire ALL management and have all decisions be made by polls hosted on 4channels /vt/ board

>>40464528
GOOD point.

>>40457742
Even Reddit is bashing management and corporate at this point.

>>40464745
Those redditors are a loud minority, the majority of redditors browse reddit less often and will eat the slop. The redditors who dissent will be banned and relocate here or to discords to anti the current cover.

>>40459030
>japanese constitution has built in labor rights
Fuck FDR for ruining this country and failing to do the one thing that could have saved us from nightmare mode hell by passing his 'labor bill of rights'. The fucking faggot.

>>40458548
The problem is always
>hire nerdy sad shutin loser girl who used to be a neet or a janitor or a meme job like utaite
>suddenly she is making like 3 times what her doctor sister is making, completely btfoing 15 years of her family treating her as 'the dumb sister'
>now instead of being a poor loser nerd, she's rich
>now that she's rich she doesn't want to deal with nerd fans and is likely looking for a rich boyfriend to complement her
>stops streaming much at all
And that's how it happens. Money makes these dweebs think they're the best ever. Ironically the only reason Mori does anything is because she's a climber who wants to make her music big and the money is just a bonus to that, but for the ones who aren't motivated to gain fame and recognition it's just "wow, suddenly I'm rich and have opinions on income taxes".

>>40465083
>glowie with pp pic
Checks out

>>40465191
WHY CAN SO MANY JPS DO IT THEN

>>40465191
Off topic, but it reminded me of the FTX scandal
Would you the FTX girl?

>>40460145
You underestimate women.

>>40465191
>Money makes these dweebs think they're the best ever.
Become rich kids overnight. Grim

>>40465191
100% correct. This is the issue.

>>40465251
Americans are slut-whores. Japanese women are not. It's just nature.

>>40465083
Thanks for including the Pippa image so I knew not to read your post.

>>40465276
PIN
THE
WEASEL

>>40465251
>culture in the west
"I have money, fuck you, I'm better than you (even if I act like a faggot)"
>culture in japan
"Arigatou for the okane, I am proud to be your aidoru, ouen shite in 2023 kudasai."

but you forgot about girls like aqua and ayame who don't give a fuck

>>40465225
>desire for basic labor rights so we don't constantly get memed on by amazon, microshaft and tesla
>"glowie"
Okay faggot.

>Force them to stream
That's not how it works. Streaming only for the sake of streaming would result in boring as fuck content. Do you want the whole branch to stream P5R every single day for a whole month? And then move on to the next FOTM and only do that?

They need to WANT to stream and keep improving as entertainers.

>>40466023
>They need to WANT to stream and keep improving as entertainers.
Well they don't. So what now? Fire them?

>>40466048
Encourage them. Organize special events, tournaments, get new Holos and create an environment where everyone wants to hang out together and have fun streaming.

>>40466048
There must be a limit to time off? Meantime, EN3

>>40442063
Nigga that's exactly what they tried with HoloEN. You fuckers love to forget how Cover made HoloEN the "streamer" branch opposed to the "idol" branch that was JP, and look were we are right now. The supposed "streamers" are less competent in the streaming department than the "idols", who manage to do both. Maybe if the EN staff wasn't so fucking cucked and stopped with the mentality that the west don't like idols (because we absolutely do) then the branch wouldn't be in this sorry state.

>>40466158
>Organize special events
JP and ID has done this, they don't show up and EN of course will never organize anything themselves

>tournaments
See above

>get new Holos
Nope Omega wants more homos.

>create an environment where everyone wants to hang out together and have fun streaming.
It's their job, not a daycare. They're getting paid the same as a surgeon they shouldn't need their managers to fucking babysit them and create a "fun environment" for them to do what they're getting paid high six figure amounts to do.

>>40440412
You don't.
All the biggest potential female hires are either too big or were snatched my Fishman and other smaller corpos.

>>40446386
>They should aim for 2 new generations of girls this by the end of this year
Yeap. People complain about ACCELERATE but it definitely needs to happen with HoloEN at least until EN4. HoloJP at this time had 28 members in 28 months, and while I didn't expect EN to have the same number it should've been at least 20, or 15 with a new gen very close to debut. Coverdrones (some might just be antis) believe that only 10 people is more than enough for a branch but that's completely asinine and if Cover listened to retards like them back in the day JP wouldn't have members who became extremely important for the overall growth of the branch like Korone, Suisei, Pekora, Rushia or Coco (as much as you might hate the last 2 they were absolutely key members). There's only so much the current roster can do, and none of them will suddenly learn a new skill or develop a new interest to bring a new audience with it.

>>40466224
>JP and ID has done this, they don't show up and EN of course will never organize anything themselves
They don't show up because most of them don't talk JP, don't keep up with everything that happens in the JP branch, and most of the stuff they organize is focused on their own chuubas.

>EN of course will never organize anything themselves
That's why I said they need to start doing it. They are very different branches, EN needs to pull their weight or keep sinking.

>It's their job, not a daycare
And they are doing their job. Look at Ina for example, she has streamed a lot less this year and she couldn't give less of a fuck about interacting with her fans, but she is still one of the top SC earners of holoEN. She could live comfortably even without her other job.

Most of the fans don't really care about the girls barely streaming, it's only a real problem for the enthusiasts and for the own holos (because they clearly lack any kind of motivation to do so). One of the main worries of management should be how to prevent the current talents from leaving, and not finding ways of annoying their money machines and speedrunning their eventual graduations.

The girls are decent enough streamers, they just need some guidance and real encouragement to do more than they are doing right now.

>>40445025
We already have a great value version of Korone in the small corpo sphere. But she probably would not join Holo because of permission bullshit.

Simple: The return of Ina and Gura will bring HoloEN back. The release of EN3+ will fill in the void of girls taking a break or having to travel to JP for Cover work. Especially for Gura. Gotta admit, when she's gone, HoloEN tanks. Hopefully, they find another popular talent.

>>40466698
>And they are doing their job.
They clearly are not. Streaming is their job and EN as a whole has the lowest streaming hours in Hololive by a fucking enormous margin. In fact to show you how bad it is if you take the 11 JPs who streamed the LEAST hours in 2022 they still have more total hours streamed than EN. Thats how bad it is.

I just don't see it working.
EN Management being run by retards aside
The JP formula works because they're just culturally inclined to feel duty to their fans. I don't see this one bit in any EN. Or a sense of wanting to be professional, wanting to be a good entertainer

>>40466644
>There's only so much the current roster can do, and none of them will suddenly learn a new skill or develop a new interest to bring a new audience with it.
There are so many other games that JPs play, why won't they just play them?

>>40466967
Their job is getting money and providing a product, and they are doing it just fine.
>But I want MORE of the product.
As I said, it's only a problem for the enthusiasts. You wont find the clip watchers or the usual donators complaining about it. They are even encouraging the girls to keep taking things easy, actually.
So if the fans don't see anything wrong with how things are now, the holos don't care and the branch keeps getting paid, why enforce the talents to stream more? You would only piss everyone off. I'm sure even Kiara would think you are just being a retard, and she grinds streams even in her death bed.

>>40466023
Cool, they can graduate then.

>>40466967
>Streaming is their job
When someone not in the company dictates their jobs. They are obvious Karens. Retailers must love dealing with you.

>>40467069
>The JP formula works because they're just culturally inclined to feel duty to their fans. I don't see this one bit in any EN. Or a sense of wanting to be professional, wanting to be a good entertainer
Basically yeah. The top JPs obviously have a lot of drive.

Miko does a ton of streams, obviously feels a lot of gratitute to her fans and does a lot of fan interaction stuff like GTA Online and the Soul Calibur matches.

Pekora clearly wants to be a top streamer to the point she's the mascot of /#/ and puts a lot of effort into her content to get big numbers.

Subaru has been through about a dozen gimmicks to get popular and jumps on any meme she can to get exposure

Koyori has been grinding out insane amounts of hours streamed to get fans and it looks like it's working.

Then you have plenty of mid tiers who provide plenty of content without going overboard like Botan, Lamy, Korone, Fubuki, Nene, Luna, Towa, etc.

Really the only ones in JP who are as lazy as EN are Ayame, Aqua, Shion and Laplus. The rest seem to have enough internal motivation to give fans content.

The answer is simple and the fact that none of you have figured it out is astounding.
Only hire hags for EN3.
They know what it's like to struggle. They'll 100% appreciate it more. The money, the attention. Girls who have never actually held a soulcrushing job in their lives will never understand how big of a blessing getting a cushy job where you get paid six figures to just talk to people and be cute.

>>40467181
>providing a product
The product is content and it's not being provided. Your point is "Hey they can drain a handful of cucks dry so why change it", that's a really shitty attitude so I don't think you're really defending EN as you are hammering home the point they're a bunch of entitled lazy whores who want to take advantage of their reddit audience with as little effort as possible. You can defend that if you want but ultimately you're the one they're fucking over.

>>40467346
You're confusing JP hags for Western ones

AV debuts

>>40467435
Based

>>40467086
What games? Are those multiplayer? And if they are, is there enough people interested in it? And if they're single player, what kind of games they are? Skill based, short narratives, one of the thousand Chilla horror games, long rpgs? You need to be more specific here, and there's no guarantee that these game interest any of the current members. As an example there's very few HoloPro members who play fighting games, and those who do are extremely casual with it and don't have them as part of their main content like how Apex or Valorant is for others. What makes you think any of them will start grinding one out of nowhere? And that argument works for other games and genres you think are under represented. They won't play them if it doesn't interest them, and that's why increasing the roster so you can have members with diverse interests is important for the health of the agency.

can't wait to see you fucks do a complete 180 when EN3 debuts and you'd stop putting shit threads like this. Doomposters and people who think they can "save" this branch are cancer that.

>>40467471
>can't wait to see you fucks do a complete 180
That means they girls are actually streaming at that point and EN3 was a success. There'd be no reason to make threads like this if that was the case.

EN exists because we allow it, and EN will end because we demand it.

>>40467300
Americans can't be vtubers because in western culture women are lazy as hell.

For the EN girls this entire vtuber thing is just a cash grab similar to selling their feet on onlyfans or marrying a rich man.

The less work and the more money the better in their minds.

>>40467369
Anon, I'm not defending them, I'm clearly calling them out for taking the easy way out and just ridding the name of the branch. The thing is, it's clearly working just fine for them, their usual fans don't complain and they don't have any real need of improving.

You want them to be more like their JP counterparts? That would require a completely change of their work ethic, and not just enforcing them to "stream more". I know it's pretty easy to say "just stream more, you are getting paid a lot more than I'll earn in 10 years you lazy whore", but the solution to the problem is more complex than that.

>>40467300
Do you honestly think they can keep this up for long? Be careful what you wish for, or may get an early retirement. The reason why Cover encourages breaks and are content that they are not over doing it.

>>40467567
>The thing is, it's clearly working just fine for them
It isn't. It only looks like that on the surface because actually holding vtubers to account on any other platform is unacceptable. Point out how lazy EN is on any other site and you'll get a flood of cucks calling you "entitled" and downvoting you. In reality EN has been bleeding viewership all through 2022. Look at this, EN was actually neck and neck with JP in terms of viewership all through 2021 but have fallen off a cliff in 2022. People are leaving and EN as a branch is dying. It's happening, slowly but surely.

>>40467461
You think every single game JPs play are ones they already love? I guess it's just baffling that they're so incurious. They're dogshit at all games anyway so who gives a fuck, fuck around a bit

>>40467694
I know. Streaming games 4 hours a week and couting how much money you made in superchat streams for 2 hours can be extremely taxing on both the body and the mind.

They should just take half the year off to avoid burnout. You're so smart anon. Thank you for explaining it to us.

>>40467502
yeah and then, hypothetically, they become lazy cunts and you go back to doomposting like hopeless sheep. It's a fucking cycle every time. Can you and the rest of the other asshats shut the fuck up?

maybe get an oshi that streams
https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1611672564098813952

>>40467720
Reminder that despite any cope the "entire industry" is not in recline. It's HoloEN specifically.

>>40467808
>Can you and the rest of the other asshats shut the fuck up?
As soon as they start streaming and caring again, chief.

>>40467844
Mumei is ok she doesn't stream the content I like. She's very niche and that's ok but it isn't for everyone.

I like watching games not drawing and singing streams.

>>40467808
And hypothetically you become a mouth whore for ice. You're welcome to ignore anything you dislike

>>40467847
Twitch vtubing is fine, but western youtube vtubing is on the decline. JP remains stronk.

>>40467902
It's a pain in the ass to hide your fucking doompost threads when I'm cycling through catalog.

>>40467926
No even western vtubers on youtube are still doing well. It's only HoloEN because they literally don't stream.

>>40444830
*pregnancy break

>>40468055
Yeah, with me.

>>40440412
En is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it, we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes a new En will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged(Mori, Gura and Ina), and the strongest will thrive(Irys, Kirara and Fuana) free to stream as they see fit, they'll make En great again.

>>40467960
Yeah, but what about all the behind the scenes projects they are working on? Surely those mean something, right? I mean everyone saw Ame's amazing birthday stream today. That creativity surpassed even Jerma! It completely justifies the jack of streaming.

>>40467733
It's no secret the supposed "streamers" of HoloEN aren't really streamers nor gamers, but to expect them to start showing interest in the is insanity. You won't get it from the current roster, so why not bet on new girls who might be more into actually streaming and playing games?

>>40440412
get rid of all the current head management

Myth and Council can't be saved, but there's still hope for the branch if they find some actual streamers for EN3

>>40467890
>muh vidya
With fans like these, no wonder Cover doesn't bother with putting resources into EN.

>>40468558
when the majority of the content that your company puts out is video game streams of course people are going to have expectations related to those video games.

>>40467763
>I know. Streaming games 4 hours a week and couting how much money you made in superchat streams for 2 hours can be extremely taxing on both the body and the mind.
My oshi rarely reads superchats. It's no coincidence that the two absent from Hololive that don't do SC readings have the most viewers. They could easily add more streams by doing two superchat readings a week. Thank God they don't. Forcing more streams for the sake of more streams is retarded. Shit streams actually pushes away viewers. Koyori has almost 2000 hours but low viewership. Gura's 4 streams has more than Mori's 17. Being entertaining enough to attract more fans is how it works in the entertainment industry. Stop putting out boring shitty streams is how you save EN. Quality over quantity.
>You're so smart anon. Thank you for explaining it to us.
You're welcome.

>>40468246
What new girls? There are no new girls. Only Tempus and Omegas gambit is that you'll get so desperate for EN content that you start watching them instead

>>40468191
STANDING HERE, I REALIZE

>>40468801
Of course there are in the small corpos

>>40440412
I lost interest in holoEN back in 2021, what is happening with the branch that it needs saving?

>>40468801
I feel like I saw a similar kind of "own" on another thread but for your information I don't watch any of them.

>>40468654
Can't be entertaining if you don't stream.

>>40468654
You're the reason holoEN is going downhill. You keep supporting girls who put out literally no content. They still make money despite not putting in any effort at all so they don't bother?

Why would they? They have you to pull out your wallet and cuck for them even if they don't stream.

>>40440412
Streamers used to the western approaches to copyright and game permissions are ALWAYS going to feel stymied by the level of autism japanese corpos apply in this area. These girls cannot play games from publishers/devs that have a clear streaming policy on their website simply because they won't send cover a fax to be stamped by an imperial seal or some shit, it is fucking ridiculous.

Couple that with management deathly afraid of yabs that vet every unconventional stream idea and reject god knows how many and these girls are being PRIMED to produce bland, safe and repetitive content. Just because some talents are extremely creative and able to shine despite the restrictions in place doesn't mean it is not an uphill battle, especially when the EN side do not have the support system in place that the JP's living nearby to covers facilities and each other enjoy.

Delegate more decisions around perms and what kind of streams are acceptable to the EN side, create a new management team of competent people that serve ONLY the EN side and do not have to consult JP upper management to get anything done, treat them as essentially two different companies with the same ethos. And no more meetings at 3 in the morning

>>40468867
No streams (breaks, illness etc.), longest time since last gen in Hololive yet still no EN3, management more interested in pushing homos than doing anything with that.

>>40467720
>HoloEN really did a nosedive when StarsEN arrived.
>And it got worst when they did the collabs.

Hololive got the formula to a tee, the old-school idol culture which panders to Gachikois.
Yet they somehow want to experiment with a formula that Nijisanji had been known for.
Now they’re suffering loss, too much that they probably didn’t anticipate.

It was much easier in the past; if I want some normalfags collaboration, I will watch 2434.
If I want my unadulterated Idols, I will watch Hololive.

I want a time machine and snipe omega.

>>40468889
>Can't be entertaining if you don't stream.
Ina should work in bad health? Gura is officially excused also. Her 4 streams in Dec did as well as half of Hololive. Also ignoring that she was doing 16 streams a few months ago. Two months of low streams and all of sudden she's lazy and should be terminated. HoloEN's numbers have dropped significantly in her absence. Just shows the value of a quality entertainer.

>>40468652
Yeah, and they are wrong. Content creation is their job and while gaming streams are the most common simply because they are easy to make, it's not the pinnacle of their content. Karaoke, live performances, zatsudan, art streams, collabs, music production and the likes where the attention is concentrated for the japanese side, gaming streams are mainly there for fanservice, and that should be the norm for the ENs as well. Hololive's main draw is the idol appeal, always striving to perform better and better, and the connection that is forged between talent and fan as a result. You want vidya, there's tons of other groups of vtubers that provide that for you.

>>40469006

In other words, Coco was right

>>40469153
>Ina should work in bad health?
LMAOO she felt good enough to go on a fucking vacation in japan and hangout with everyone else. She's traveling around the world having a blast and spending the money you sent her in the superchats.

She isn't hobbled up in some bed being attended by a nurse. She just simply doesn't want to stream. That's it.

Get over it and grow up.

>>40469162
Well if that's the case then they should massively cut down on playing videogames and focus on other types of streams. When most of your content is video game streams you are a video game streamer and everything else is secondary content.

>>40442845
They're all motivated to stream, when they first start out. Then the reality hits them. They are denied permissions for every game they want to stream. Every creative, fun or interesting idea for a stream is shot down by management. They are told to do only 2 things: Minecraft and Apex. All the joy of becoming a member of Hololive slowly fizzles and dies, as corporate wall after corporate wall blocks them at every turn. They become a prisoner of the grind. Imagine this is your life: play games you don't like. Every day. Spend hours compiling reports of analytics to management, who also pocket a huge percentage your money. Money you earned from selling your soul and dignity by pandering to incels and antis, telling them how much you love them, whilst secretly living in fear of the moment they turn on you at the slightest misstep. The burnout eventually hits them, and the dread of streaming sets in. All you can do to cope with the suffocating pressure from management and fans is to pretend to be sick, and come up with weekly excuses not to stream, so you don't go mad.

>>40469307
Lmao you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>40469192
She absolutely was

>>40468919
>You're the reason holoEN is going downhill. You keep supporting girls who put out literally no content.
What is worse than no content is shitty content. Shitty content pushes away viewers to never return. For many, the more they stream, the less viewers they retain. Two low streaming months and you've already given up? You do know they are returning? Right?

>>40469371
>0.01 ARS has been deposited in your Hololive bank account

>>40469153
>Ina should work in bad health?
...You know she IS working, right? She didn't go to Japan just for vacations, she has been working hard on her other job for the last couple of months.

>>40469402
>Shitty content pushes away viewers to never return
So does not streaming. In those two moths of low content people are going to find other vtubers and fall out of the habit of watching you.

>>40462222
Can you faggots stop using all excuses in the fucking world to defend these retarded decisions? HoloEN had near total domination of the western female vtuber market until mid 2021. Anyone who thought about vtubers had them as the first thing that came to mind, with very few remembering about Vshojo and pretty much no one even acknowledging the existence of NijiEN. The gen that put the latter in the map still had fuck all ccv for their debut streams, and I could be wrong but I believe none of them even broke the 20k mark. Cover had literally everything to keep dominating the area they already had a strong control over and let Anycolor the have male scene, but instead they decided to give up everything for an absolute failed attempt to get Anycolor's share of the vtuber market, none of the guys will ever be SC kings like Vox or beat any of the other Luxiem guys on that area and now are shoving 4 more retards that will actually cannibalize the small audience they're struggling to keep. If we had EN4 by now HoloEN would still be on the top, but now even some NijiEN girls are gaining more attention all because Cover was too fucking stupid to keep going with a winning strategy. But yeah, 2022 was a year full of great decisions from the En staff.

>>40469456
>she has been working hard on her other job for the last couple of months

Too fucking bad. She makes almost all of her money from hololive and has millions of fans that she should feel responsible for.

If she wants to spend most of her time drawing then she needs to stop being a fucking baby about it and quit.

>>40469549
>but now even some NijiEN girls are gaining more attention
Even worse, there's small corpo girls and indies that are starting to catch up.

>>40469270
>who is Suisei, Sora, AZKi, Aqua
They all did. Many others do, too, when they want to concentrate on something, like Okayu did for her sololive+album release. Mori and Kiara also stop streaming when they work on something for a couple of days at least. Gaming streams are a stopgap for content drought and a chance for them to relax with fans that love them.

I'll say it, the EN girls were never good streamers anyway, their initial success was only thanks to the hard work of their JP senpais.

>>40469647
No you're wrong. They are definitely good streamers.

The issue is that they literally don't stream. That's the whole issue.

JP has no issues because they actually give a fuck about their job and stream content for fans.

>>40469569
I don't think she needs to quit, but she should be more honest about stuff like this when she needs to take a break from hololive. Using the health excuse and then pulling out a "I forgor my phone" when your fans get worried about you is just unprofessional and a little mean.

>>40469634
>Gaming streams are a stopgap for content drought
Again, when the majority of your content is video games they stop being a stopgap and they become your main content. People are going to expect video game streams from you and taking breaks to work on secondary stuff will be seen as an interruption in that main content.

>>40469240
>LMAOO she felt good enough to go on a fucking vacation in japan and hangout with everyone else. She's traveling around the world having a blast and spending the money you sent her in the superchats.
Why return when you have to leave right away to do Cover work in Japan? Did you actually think others thought she was still sick? Should have been obvious when she announced the date of her return. You are a special kind of stupid.

Gura openly stated that she was not excited about her planned trip to Japan. It was to be for work only. I'm glad they changed it and let the girls have fun while there. Thank Gura.

>>40469727
>They are definitely good streamers.
Ame and Gura are the only ones barely above average. Please don't tell me you think Ina or Kronii are good streamers.

>>40469041
That's pretty crazy. Thanks for the qrd

>>40469770
And those retards are unwanted, yes.

>>40469488
Not Gura. And you know it.

>>40469600
Exactly. Hololive isn't gaining much in the male scene and is actually losing in the female one, and the longer they keep delaying EN3 (and EN4) for whatever reason the more they'll lose. Debuting new gens is literally the only way to increase the ceiling of popularity of the branch. New girls will bring new interests, new idea, new collabs, possibly new units and a new audience, but for some godforsaken reason Cover is unable to see this, the corpo dicksucking fanbase on reddit and twitter is unable to see this, and even the retards in this house of lunatics are unable to see this. It feels like an immense part of the HoloEN fanbase wants to see the branch shrivel and die with no streams, motivation or effort put into it. Motherfuckers should've been hounding Cover on every single official channel for EN3, Myth 3D showcases and CouncilRyS 3D debuts before HoloFes. These retards only complained when Holox got theirs before anyone from the foreign branches WHEN THE FUCKING COUNTRY WAS STILL IN LOCKDOWN, but now that Japan has open borders people are suddenly fine with how things are? Goddammit, a huge part of the audience should just go to Canada and as for health care, because I'm sure the doctors there will recommend the exact same thing for every single one of them.

>>40469807
>Ame
She's abysmal. She doesn't have the disposition to stream video games which is funny since she's supposed to be the "gamer" of her gen.

>>40469600
For real even the Chinese vtubers which was hated by the majority and are made to cell on their own Chinese YouTube are now gaining traction on YouTube.

>>40469762
Why do you defend ina when she says she's "sick" but somehow feels well enough to take multiple international flights, go on vacation to hangout with all of her friends in Japan, travel all over the world, and still does work drawing art.

And yet her simps still talk about her like she's crippled in a hospital bed being attended by a nurse. It's sickening.

Ina isn't sick she simply doesn't want to stream. She is sick of her job and she's sick of her fans. She is most likely disgusted by her fanbase and wants to be left alone to draw her art. That's it.

Same with gura. She simply doesn't want to stream and interact with her fans. It really is that simple.

>>40469856
If they were unwanted then there wouldn't be so many video game streams.

>>40469922
>Defending her
>When I'm already calling her unprofessional
She fucked up big time and I honestly don't feel like keep watching her, but she doesn't need to graduate if she wants to keep working on her other job, she just needs to be straightforward and say she has some priest duties to attend to.

i wonder who is the next EN that will give Cover the middle finger and graduate. Hopefully Gura so the management will receive a wakeup call from their mismanagement

>>40462583
Gotta fucking clean the chinks out and go talent first.

>>40469142
This is what's so stupid about the whole thing. Pre-EN everyone knew that hololive was a million times more popular with foreigners than nijisanji was. When given the choice, westerners chose the idol route, even the ones that whined about idol culture still chose to watch the idol company instead of the other one. Pseudo-idols were the west's revealed preference. Despite this, management decided to abandon the successful formula and pursue some bastardised version of the nijisanji model to appeal to the west. Unsurprisingly it's failing.

>>40470102
Honestly Gura graduating is exactly what the branch needs. It puts them in a sink or swim situation so either they start managing the branch properly or they die out.

I'm kind of starting to wonder if Western women weren't the reason why Europe was never conquered. The asiatics imported a few of them and were like 'let's not'

Cultural equivalent of land war in asia.

>>40470005
The video games are not the focus, you obtuse retard. It's an excuse to hang out with fans. The problem is that it attracts manchildren that bitch and whine when vtuber play game bad or play game they no like and ruin the mood. 99 times out of a 100 when a vtuber gets pissed is because one of these faggots throw a hissyfit in their chat and distract them from. These are the unwanted ones, not those who can appreciate a video game being played by the talent while also anticipating other, more self-expressive content as well.

>>40470161
>Honestly Gura graduating is exactly what the branch needs.
It would be the end of HoloEN. Other corps will be begging her to join. Gura will finally be able to do the content that she desires. With all her chumbuds following. Unlike other fans, they don't have such brand loyalty. Most only watch Gura. So not will Hololive lose fans, they will be competing against a growing base of fans. No recovering from that.
Seriously, do people not know how much of a cash cow Gura is?

>>40470491
If they're not the focus then why are video games the majority of their content. What type of content creator you are is defined by the majority of your content. Anything else is copium.

>>40470550
Apparently Cover doesnt

>>40470550
Traffic, Yes.
Money Grab, No.
Calli and Kiara makes more than Gura. did you really think majority of guras viewers are working adults?

>>40470730
>SC is the only thing that matters
Gura has the hololive (including JP) merch record.

>>40451589
based

>>40440412
Release a full AI gen that actually stream regularly.
e-whores will be obsolete real soon.

>>40470550
It's not gonna be the end, but it will be a huge blow. Big enough to probably knock them out from their current position on the en vtuber market. So this would mean that to claw their way back they'd have to actually put in effort. If they can't do that then they will die.

>>40469549
Didn't read, seethe harder

>>40470909
What merch? I still think Kiara, Calli Vinyl records and Arguably irys has more. The only worth noticing on guras merch was the good smile nendroids which was sold out and reproduced.

>>40465251
Only hags do that. That's why hags are superior

>>40471318
Beggars continue to show how little brain cells they have. News at 11.

>>40470730
>Calli and Kiara makes more than Gura. did you really think majority of guras viewers are working adults?
If you haven't noticed, Calli and Kiara's SCs have dropped greatly, while Kiara has taken the lead in SCs. Gura never was the top SC earner, though she gets more individual donations. Still nothing to scoff at...especially the memberships.
Did you know that Gura has never asked for superchats or memberships? She said, "Don't feel the need to donate, your company is more than enough." She fully knows that YT and Cover takes most of it. She also knows that the huge majority of money earned is actually from merchandise. Her merch has broken Hololive records. We are still waiting for the merch announced on her last 3D Live. Another reason for Gura's frustration. Her Daki is going to make her a fortune. Smort Shork.

Merge with IDGOD

>>40470909
>(including JP)
What sold Gura to the JPs was only her design. Cover can recreate the same idea of design for any other vtuber.

>>40470948
You are not counting the backlash of forcing Gura to graduate. HoloEN will lose all respect. Whichever corp Gura joins next may become the new frontrunner.

>>40471447
>streamer doesn't need to stream because her merch does all the work
>and that's because of the streamer and not her model

That's a really sad take tho

>>40471788
>What sold Gura to the JPs was only her design. Cover can recreate the same idea of design for any other vtuber.
Whatever design Gura uses, she will make it work. As shown in the past. Plus it's no coincidence that design is based off her old avatar that wore a shark costume...and says 'Shaarrrk!'

>>40470550
She is a private person with a legion of fans from hololive that, whilst willing to follow her, will have expectations of her content that will probably make her reluctant to jump right into being a vtuber again, at least one that streams as their main content. I think it is far more likely that when she leaves holo she disappears completely from the internet or goes back to making videos occasionally and that is it.
It would be a massive blow to cover but I don't see her actually joining any kind of competition or recruiting ex talents like coco
>>40471358
Dino Gura plushie is the one that broke the all time record

When will you guys realize hololive is a Japanese brand from a Japanese company and hololiveEN /was/is/will always be/ a sidebranch created to get fans to watch hololive (JP)? A big hololiveEN lineup would just steal overseas viewers from the JPs

>>40471850
So you really believe that what carried Gura wasn't also her design? Give Gura something like Sana's design and see what would happen.

>>40472048
The design is a factor in every chuuba, but it's not the main one. If it was as important as you seem to believe then all of the gura clones would have 4 million subs, rather than being much closer to 4 hundred (picrel).

>>40471996
She also talks about content she is unable able to do. How management complains that she gives them too big of a perm list. And still brings up how much she misses Muse Dash during rhythm game streams. Before her absence, she's been showing more frustration with management, from her 3D Live being cut, to her future projects being threatened. Even letting everyone know that Management tweets on her account. Not excited about the upcoming Japan visit because it was to be work only, but at least that seems to have changed. Thank Gura?
Gura often says she's reluctant to stream when unhappy. So a happy shork is a streaming shork.

>>40472341
I mean, Petra is a chink...

>>40472447
I am aware of all of that, like I said in >>40469006
management is an active detriment to most of these girls rather than a support structure like it should be. Unfortunately no matter all the stuff she wants to do in a world free of them, I still don't think it is likely she actually would make the jump to another vtuber company or even go back to being indie, I think the best chance for a happy streaming Gura is stuff actually changing behind the scenes in holoEN.

>>40472447
>her 3D Live being cut
People don't put enough attention to this fact. Her live was 48 minutes long, and I'm pretty sure this was the shortest 3D live any HoloPRO member had, especially one that was so hyped like hers. Something terribly wrong must've happened in the backstage and anyone would have their morale and motivation shaken after it.

I mainly watch the girls from HoloJP, the real branch that runs the business; I never asked, wanted or cared about a HoloEn branch so I don't give a damm if that shitty clusterfuck of sidebranch dies tomorrow.

To me the girls from small corpos show much more appreciation with their viewers that these entitled lazy whores.

And in the end if there's some of HoloEn that can be saved only rescue the ones that truly deserve to be there, the ones that go radio silent and ghost theirs fans can go, the ones that have their own agenda trying to boost their personal career (Music, Voice Acting, Art) using Hololive can go,etc.