/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>40253965
sex pic

>>40253965
Because you're an idiot judging things in a vacuum not realizing the reason EN is basically incognito right now is because they're prepping for huge things to come such as 3D Debut and 4th FES recordings.

Why do you think every EN person, Tempus included, have gone to Japan within the past couple months? Even Gura has gone.

But of course, logic doesn't matter to people like you.

Because EN isn't a big priority for the company and has less ways to grow viewership.
You can't go a day in Japan without seeing Pekora plastered on something.

>>40253965
it's not popular to say anymore since the nijileaks, but council really did flop and killed a fuck ton of momentum by debuting then NOT STREAMING.
The myth girls saw this happen decided it was a good idea, there you go, dead branch. As much as I love tempus they probably didn't help because unicorns have shit taste but they're definitely just a minor thing compared to the first points. Who knows maybe they wouldn't have put a dent into views if the girls actually STREAMED, kronii's number didn't suffer despite what faggots want you to believe.

>>40254079
>Why do you think every EN person, Tempus included, have gone to Japan within the past couple months? Even Gura has gone.
Source: my ass
>Because you're an idiot judging things in a vacuum not realizing the reason EN is basically incognito right now is because they're prepping for huge things to come such as 3D Debut and 4th FES recordings.
ID and JP can do this without going on giant hiatuses.
Just accept that working is too hard for most EN members.

gura's fault, if only she could numberfag and leverage her audience like pekora. mental illness shark

>>40254079
That's some copious amount of cope right here.

>>40254152
>kronii's number didn't suffer despite what faggots want you to believe.
Wonder what that drop coincides with. Also wonder why the girls who didn't collab with tempus are now the top superchat earners in EN.
In before "but muh merch". Yeah I'm sure the one metric that isn't public is the only one that didn't nosedive for the ones that did collabs.

>>40253965
EN's don't even care about numbers, they just want an easy paycheck.

Entirely different cultures. JP girls are entertainers and try to be professional about things like giving early notice of streams or making sure people know a BIG event is going to happen. Meanwhile EN treats it like "Eh I guess I'll stream for an hour today" and then puts up a frame 5 minutes before the stream starts.

>>40254091
Yet they thought delaying EN3 for HomostarsEN was a great idea.

>>40253965

>>40253965
Japs ppl are retared

>>40253965
EN is not a priority, never was.
Worst branch after ID

>>40254091
>and has less ways to grow viewership.
English is quite literally THE global language. Even shitheads living in fucking mud hut villages can grasp English. Meanwhile, the only people who know Japanese are either Japanese themselves, moved to Japan for some reason, or are a weeb who wanted to stop dealing with translators. "Less ways to grow viewership" my fucking ass, here's an idea for how to grow it: actually stream.

>>40254079
Holy hopium huffing heifer, Batman.

>>40253965
Year of the Rabbit.

>>40253965
Pekora is the actual number 1 vtuber and this board should just admit it already.

>>40253965
The only thing falling apart here are your mother's fuckholes after I had my way with them.

>>40254514
Your whore doesn't even like you, cumpedo.

>>40253965
Karma

>>40254324
By this point its pretty prominent. Guess which one is Kronii's.

>>40253965
>xyz happening in the islands of hopelessness
cool but still, nobody cares about Jun's cumbucket around this part brownie, and the few people that actually care are n4 niggers
>proof?
https://store.innersloth.com/collections/all-products/?sort_by=best-selling

>>40254079
>even Gura has gone
I refuse to believe it

Gura's sudden death really bummed them all out. Especially with management's refusal to announce it.

>>40253965
Gura with eyeshadow actually kinda hot

>>40254388
EN3 wouldn't really be worth the effort.
It doesn't solve the fundamental problem of limited monetisation avenues for Covers EN branch.
There's no advertising, limited licensing, no corporate collabs, no TV appearances, etc.
Basically all that EN can do to bring in money is supas, memberships and Cover commissioned merch.
Bear in mind these girls have a salary and a support staff.
So EN3 will only dilute their viewership, bring in limited to no new customers and result in the costs of the EN branch going up.
Literally pointless.

>>40256199
>So EN3 will only dilute their viewership, bring in limited to no new customers and result in the costs of the EN branch going up.
So you think HomoEN was a better use of those limited resources?

>>40253965
Anglos are fat and lazy

>>40254079
holy cope
the other branches can do the same but not EN?
KEK

>>40256199
Literally everything you pointed out works the same way for StarsEN but Cover has been shilling their auditions days before Tempus even debuted and who knows what today's announcement for the branch will be. Answer the question: why EN3 is a waste of time while multiple StarsEN gen aren't?

>>40256427
>>40256536

Yes HomoEN and HomoEN2 are a better use of those resources.
Fundamentally HoloEN3 is not going to bring any new customers who the existing girls couldn't bring in. If Myth and Council can't entice you to watch then no theoretical HoloEN3 (that they're willing to have) will bring you in.

But HomoEN can tap a customer base that HoloEN can't. We already know they have larger female viewerships than the Holo girls. That's new market territory. That's new customers.
Those customers wouldn't be drawn in by HoloEN.
So a second HomoEN gen will help expand Covers share of that total female EN audience and customer base. May be some dilution of their existing talents viewership, but that's tolerable so long as total viewership goes up. Which it is more likely to do because it's not a market that HoloEN can pull in.

This is a decision driven by market analysis. Not by a bunch of autists on 4chan who want shiny new virgin girl fantasy.
You will get an EN3 when a few existing EN girls leave. I reckon if 3+ leave they'll debut a new EN gen to keep the numbers up.

>>40256770
This new fanbase must not mean much if Cover continues to desperately try to force the homos into the Holobox at the expense of the earning potential of the girls.

>>40256770
>We already know they have larger female viewerships than the Holo girls. That's new market territory. That's new customers.
And they also have much lower total numbers wich might as well mean that they have the same female audience as the Holo girls but alnost none of the male one.

>>40254152
The nijileaks were what made me finally realize it was true and made me start to lose interest in HoloEN, funny enough. It happened not long after I first learned about /this/ place, so I didn’t lend any credibility to anything this board complained about at all. Hearing that actual vtubers who thought their conversation was private were saying the same thing about Council as /vt/ was made me realize that I probably didn’t need to get invested in Council that much or put in effort to get into the girls anymore.
Of course, I never bothered watching NijiEN either. I just slowly stopped watching vtubers until I started picking up small corpos again.

>>40256770
>Fundamentally HoloEN3 is not going to bring any new customers who the existing girls couldn't bring in
ID3 did it, Gen 3 did it back in the day, and JP still bring new fans fequently, and their ceiling are infinitely lower than EN.
>But HomoEN can tap a customer base that HoloEN can't. We already know they have larger female viewerships than the Holo girls. That's new market territory. That's new customers.
As >>40256952 with their numbers being constantly almost on the 3view mark that new female fanbase isn't that big, also Vesper already mentioned having a bigger male audience and I doubt the other are THAT popular with girls either considering their shitty models.

Your market analysis is a bunch of bullshit that you took out of fucking ass. A lot of smaller EN agencies are seeing growth, albeit small, and HoloEN absolutely doesn't fill every single niche out there, especially on the realm of gaming, actually fucking streaming and even musically.

>>40254079
>even gura has gone
What? Gura flatout sounded like she'd rather have a partial lobotomy than go to Japan. i've never heard anyone sound so unenthused about it in my life.

>>40253965
Tempiss

>>40256952
We don't have enough info on their youtube analytics to say either way.
But based on management decisions my guess is they don't think those viewers overlap a huge amount or feel there's room for that overlap to spill HomoENs reach into other sections of the female market.
Remember they are trying to game the algorithm.
I suspect a good chunk of the earning decline of the girls was their female viewership jumping ship and that this was the underlying reasoning behind all those early collabs.

>>40257127
JP has more revenue streams than EN.
There's an actual reason to expand the roster there because there's a lot more they can do with each JP girl.
With the EN girls your revenue streams are extremely limited and there's not a lot you can do with them.
Face it, EN is dead weight.

>>40257127
why target niche and fickle subgroups when you can do that AND more broadly target 50% of the population you're not reaching at the same time?

>>40257127
>ID3 did it
You mean Kaela did it due to streaming in NA hours where there will on average 3 other EN streams going on. So, its less finding new audience and more of Kaela taking in wayward viewers of other audiences.
And before you say
>BUT KOBO
You have yo remember, EN vtubing is limited to mostly weebs in the West. So the audience appeal is already very limited.

>>40256770
>But HomoEN can tap a customer base that HoloEN can'
This. It's like Genshin vs Blue Archive or Chainsaw Man vs Bocchi the Rock. Hololive is very popular right now but they're in the latter type, niche CGDCT while Genshin and CSM are literally mainstream. Holostars is the only way to get female customers and become mainstream.
>>40256902
>expense of the earning potential of the girls
Money they can make by becoming mainstream popular will vastly outweigh the simpbucks, YAGOO is playing the long game here.

>>40257212
If HoloEN is dead weight StarsEN is an appendix of that weight.

>>40257236
Because streamers (and idols) are all based on niches. They all get attention from their individuality compared from the others, and while having a good variety of skills/content is necessary for growth if you're exactly like everyone else why would people stop watching their previous streamer/oshi and start watching you?

>>40257381
>EN vtubing is limited to mostly weebs in the West. So the audience appeal is already very limited
Same thing applies to StarsEN.

>>40257469
Then why have both Tempus and JP homos failed to expand into a big new audience?

>>40257490
>Because streamers (and idols) are all based on niches.
you're almost getting it. would a company rather target a niche population in an audience they've already mined or target a niche population in their existing audience AND a broader play for 50% of the population? This isn't a pick-one scenario, they're gonna cater to women and niche male audiences instead of just niche male audiences alone

>>40257593
>50% of the popularion
Ah yes, every english speaking female is also a weeb.

>>40257559
Like I said, YAGOO is playing the long game here, he just has to keep doing it until they become successful. Holo didn't become huge until 4th gen, you know? Aqua and Subaru used to stream for 500-1k viewers normally and only get 2k on good days.

>>40257593
>they're gonna cater to women and niche male audiences instead of just niche male audiences alone
And how did that work out for them? Women are 50% of the population and none of the Tempus guys are more popular than the no-stream EN girls, 2 of them are in the danger zone and even if they're getting money why are you so certain that the same thing wouldn't happen with EN3? Also if Cover can get everything why not debut both Tempus and EN3 on the same year? Why doing only one of them is a better idea than doing both and getting a new niche while increasing your dominion over the one you already had?

>>40257469
>female customers
what about brotuber?

>>40257779
>Why doing only one of them is a better idea than doing both and getting a new niche while increasing your dominion over the one you already had?
why do you set everything up as a fucking sophie's choice? they're interested in doing BOTH, genius, if you think they're doing a shitty job at it then I don't disagree but nothing is even remotely as binary as you're presenting

>>40254079
Stop replying to #fags shitting up catalog.

>>40254091
lol, what was that again? By the way, Gura's dino plushie broke all hololive merch sale records. Or as Gura said, "obliterated" them. Yeah, try again

>>40257843
I'm not the one doing that, it's you beggars who keep saying EN3 would be a waste of time. Cover could've debut both it and Tempus last year but they decided to put all their chips on StarsEN for some fucked up reason.

>>40254079
>Even Gura has gone.
and as always, you faggots have no proof of the fact. shit won't be true no matter how much you push this rrat. ffs I'm a goob apologist myself and even my head is that deep in the "Japan trip" cope.

>>40257966
every single one of your posts boils down to "why do they do x and not y." you are actually doing that
>you beggars
lmao

>>40257966
Well they can't just shit out so many vtubers in a short amount of time like some sweatshop corpo, can they? People aren't going to like that plus they're gonna cannibalize each other.

>>40254079
This is cope in a monumental proportion

>>40258107
>16 months
>short amount of time

EN was what expanded hololive far beyond what cover could've ever expected so of course they're going to tap into it more. Also they're all literally a giant source of income after covering the initial cost. Hololive will try to diversify their roster more and more to tap more potential viewerbases and expand their portfolio. This is a no brainer, making a model and rigging is absolute peanuts compared to the potential (and proven) gain. They'll continue to make gens everywhere, the only real question is what type of viewership they'll want to tap still.

Why should EN care at this point? Cover Corp does nothing form them while they promote way less successful Hololive talents. ID1 got their 3D showcase in September but Cover still can't send Myth to Japan for there's. Myth was left out of Hololive Summer despite them having home 3D models. They promote the shit out of HoloX who are less successful than Myth. HoloX seems to have gotten as many outfits as Myth despite only being a year old. They even got their idol costumes before Myth. It took them 16 - 18 months to give Council a proper 2nd outfit. Gura's dino plushie broke hololive merch sale records and Cover still treats her like shit. She's asked for a daki for 2 years and they kept telling her no until this summer. Meanwhile they gave dakis to way less successful members and it's not the "child" thing because they also let Shion have one. Why should Myth care at this point?

>>40258167
Tempus hasn't been here for 16 months. Also they need to wait for a while to debut a new gen after the new Holostars that's coming in 12 hours.

>>40258213
every single holoEN sucks so I'm ok with this, yes even the hafuu whore

>>40258058
Holy shit you're a fucking retard. Go back to the start of the conversation, my whole point was asking why EN3 would be such a fucking waste of time while Tempus isn't, while numbers wise Tempus is doing worse than any HoloEN girl right now. I never fucking said "Cover should've never debuted Tempus", that came from your schizo mind.

>>40258167
>>40258274
16 months since Council, you dumb mouthbreather. And a lot of people in this thread are adamant in saying that StarsEN is important because they target a new audience (even if Yagoo said they wanted male vtubers that a male audience would be interested in), so why would EN3 cannibalize Tempus viewership if they're supposed to have different audiences?

>>40258274
I thought Tempus and the girls didn't have an overlapping fanbase. Wasn't that the point? To make a "broader play for 50% of the population?"

>>40258327
Shouldn't you be over in /jp/? Fucking anti

>>40258382
shouldn't you be giving more condom money to your western e-whores?

>>40258353
>I never fucking said "Cover should've never debuted Tempus", that came from your schizo mind.
NTA and I half-agree with you but you are making up shit to argue about. Meds and a breather.

>>40258196
>EN was what expanded hololive far beyond
Incorrect. Hololive's crossovers with MAJOR gacha games expanded their reach. EN Indies and Kizuna AI did more.

>>40258274
Uproar was released back to back with ID3, holostar debuts have nothing to do with holo debuts

>>40258353
christ, you are losing it. if you're so invested in going back to the beginning of the thread then check how many of your own fucks and retards per post you had then and now. literally seething

>>40257092
Go back

>>40258213
Holox had 1 outfit in over a year, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>40258439
What shit I'm making up? This entire discussion started because of some retarded "market analysis" that EN3 would be a waste of time but betting everything on StarsEN was a great decision, even if it results in HoloEN being ignored. If that's somehow less made up than my arguments then this board truly became a mental asylum.

>>40258531
>seething
You know someone lost an argument when they bring the buzzwords.

>>40258618
everyone's telling you they don't want to argue with a shitflinging toddler and your takeaway is that you won?

>>40256199
Finally a post with common sense, after so long. Thank you, I was about to give up on this place.

People think that debuting EN3 will magically bring new people when, realistically, will just spread the viewers over more streamers.

And yes, Tempus was a decent bet, since the idea is indeed bring a different audience (even if I agree that they may have messed up after).

>>40258660
>everyone
Wow, all 45 other anons in this thread are telling me that. Didn't know I got so many (You)s and didn't even see it.

>>40258661
>spread the viewers over more streamers.
When half of the streamers don't stream and dead hours abound, there would be no competition within HoloEN for EN3.

>>40258440
>Kizuna AI
I miss her bros....

>>40258881
I mean, Gura and Ina are probably transitioning into part-timers, Kronii does not give a shit, Mori is almost completely isolated from the Holobox now, Mumei and Rrat have school shit and Ame continues to chase away potential regular viewers with her passive aggressive shit. It would be free real estate for EN3 if they put in some effort.

>>40258998
If EN3 has a Koyori/Kaela and she's interesting she'll easily become the top member of the branch, and maybe even rival JP.

>>40258661
It won't magically bring new people over but it will at least help maintain the numbers that they still have. People are losing interest because there aren't enough streams.

>>40259059
Hell, if Kaela didn't have the stink of the ID branch on her, she'd probably be 2-3x more successful.

>>40259269
Kaelawould need to be more entertaining to get those numbers. Just streaming a lot is not enough.

>>40259314
>Kaelawould need to be more entertaining to get those numbers.
You say that when Kronii exists.

>>40259345
Aren't Kronii's numbers in the dumpster?

>>40258434
I don't donate anything to vtubers. Try again anti. EN lives rent free in your head

>>40259389
They're going down recently but she used to be the biggest Council member and still has the most amount of subs from the gen (or second most if you include IRyS).

>>40259389
Her numbers are still fine. You #Fags don't understand logic, so you may need to realize most Vtubers are 0-10 views and hitting 100-3k+ puts you in top % of streamers.

>>40259447
She got those subs based on her model. It's the ccv where you can see how many people are still interested in her.

>>40258661
>People think that debuting EN3 will magically bring new people when, realistically, will just spread the viewers over more streamers.
does not happen

>>40259217
EN3 should pander to new markets instead of maintaining existing viewers. Covid aside, another myth-like breakout draws in NEW fans is what they need. It doesn't need to be the same scale as Myth because that can't be replicated, but as long as new people show up to watch streams I would still count it as a success.

>get a one in 100million chance
>instant millionaire and set for life
>have to work MAX 1hour/day
>they all blow it
i simply do not understand

>>40259686
Women

>>40259611
>does not happen
Exactly why KFP and Takodachis etc are always in NijiEN streams...yep.

>>40259761
>Women
Western women, specifically.

Bae, Mumei, Fauna, Kiara and Mori are streaming. Maybe the people who are falling apart is just (you)r oshi and the others are fine?

>>40259507
We are talking about numbers in the context of Hololive here, not in the context of the general vtuber sphere.

>>40259805
None of them streamed yesterday.

>>40254079
That's not how entertainment industry works.
You don't stay silent and hope people will still care about you.
You need to keep making trending stream after trending stream or people will simply forget about you.

It makes total sense. You just can't make "huge things" without being in Japan. You absolutely NEED to have a 3D debut to get any viewers.

>>40259812
>We are talking about numbers in the context of Hololive here
So her numbers are still fine then.

>>40254079
Anon, that much copium might be lethal.

>>40253965
>americans
>work ethic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc-MWiMDWno

>>40253965
Because they don't stream

>>40259686
self sabotage is incredibly common when people achieve success too quickly

>>40259790
Most JPs are just as bad.

>>40253965
>HoloEn falling apart
Here we go with this nonsense for the millionth time.

>>40260953
>nonsense

>>40260987
>another doom thread based on speculation and rrat

>>40254079
Go easy on COPIUM bitch, there is no need to TOTALLY ignore your fans just to work on project no matter how big it is

>>40260784
basically yeah. they're spoiled because they feel like they beat the game already, they're already on top and for a brief point had almost 0 competitors in sight and life was easy and idyllic. now that they actually have a lot of competition and need to work just to not fall behind, suddenly that's too much.

what REALLY REALLY does not help are all the fucking yes-men who enable this from them going "naah it's fine you need watch your health!! don't hurt yourself playing mario kart or overwatch for 2 hours a day twice a week you maniacs!!!!!!" that sycophant orbiter behavior just fucking reeks of a fucking dishonesty that makes me puke. they don't say that because they mean it, they say that because they're infatuated with the girls (which of course they won't admit to because "don't wanna be parasocial r-right that's the bad word h-haha") and think giving them whatever they want and being "understanding" is always the right answer and it's good for them. in reality endless coddling is making them spoiled and entitled. if you were working hard at a job and then found out you can do 1/10th the effort and still get paid about the same and nobody gives you shit for it, with the only reason to do more being because you just love working so much out of the kindness of your heart? would you? probably not honestly. i wouldn't.

>>40262264
Not only the toxic positivity frm the audience makes the situation worse their own management is also fine with it. I don't know how it works on the JP side (tho with some of their members being semi-retired it might be a similar situation) but the EN staff genuinely don't see anything wrong with having half of it's members not streaming at any time and actually encourages them to not "burn out" (just see the whole 1-hour limit bullshit Tempus had on their first month), and with the fans not showing any negative reaction to it they're only more justified by their actions.

>>40262615
The audience doesn’t say anything because they don’t want to look like schizos. No one outside of this board knows my opinions on certain vtubers because I care far more about my reputation than about providing honest feedback to some streamer I don’t actually know.
That said, it’s also why I don’t talk about HoloEN outside of /here/. I have nothing positive to say about them, so I just ignore their existence.

>>40262615
Well Cover views its talent different from Niji
They're more of an investment and if they burn out in a few months or a year? Thats a wasted investment.

>>40263228
Sure, but I think being incompetent with game permission, music permissions, multiple delays with new costumes, denying most project ideas coming from talents among many other shit they've done burn their vtubers harder than having them stream multiple hours per day. Kaela and Koyori are out there with twice as many hours streamed in 2022 as the average from Hololive with no sign of burn out. Pekora, Subaru and Miko stream less but almost every single day and also don't seem to get tired from it. While I agree that burning out is different from each person it's impossible to believe the EN side is suffering this because they stream too much.

>>40263414
I think a big issue on the EN side is they're getting frustrated with how little they can actually do.
If you look at them the only one in Myth who seems to have a lot of energy is Mori and its all going into music. She's planning for her future there. Smart girl.
The rest it seems like they're just getting sick of Covers many restrictions. Which come with it being corporate as fuck.
With the JP girls theres lots of room for collabs and a lot of company projects they're getting thrown into constantly. None of that in EN.

>>40259762
Why should KFP be there? Kiara is one of the most consistent streams in EN. Just because you don't watch her doesn't mean she never streams.

>>40263414
not him but i think the other side of the coin of the coddling is that the company is also worshipped just for existing. the girls can do no wrong and yet the company cannot either. there is nobody to blame, no point to calmly socratically discuss where and how things might be improved even just in-theory. so, when any fans make even a tame suggestion, because the M.O is that the girls and the company are blameless, then whoever steps out of line is -automatically- in the wrong by default. automatically. it's a devilish system of control really.

>>40263759
also, tying in the fact that the girls and management are insulated from any real cross-examination or questioning, and that the Cover road map unironically is the "don't ask questions, consume product and then get excited for next product" meme, if the girls are in fact feeling not happy about things like >>40263707 here, then nobody is able to help them. nobody can get through to management because any fan saying anything besides praise is an evil superhitler rapist. nobody can just tell a girl what they think without the fans jumping him.

most disheartening is if the girl herself is a lazy shitter she can just lean back and let this system insulate her and protect her from having to think about anything at all or even consider what the fans actually want or like vs what's easiest for her to do. if there are any EN holos who actually-want to be good performers and don't want to be shitters? cover, the fans and her own peers all make that very hard to do. it's a culture of dogmatic mediocrity.

>>40263707
That's why Cover should open up the corporate restrictions and actually work WITH the talents to make their ideas work like, you know, what the management of a talent agency should do. It seems that lately the JP side of management is actually more open to work out with the members than the EN staff, which is ironic when everyone and their mothers years ago said that the EN side would be much more forgiving.

>>40263759
People only complain about Cover when there's a graduation/termination and then forget about it after a couple of weeks. Even when the company has 0 direct fault into the decision they still shit on them, but nobody fucking dares to criticize their corporate decisions, and you can clearly see in this board. Them taking almost 17 months to debut HoloLIVE EN3 and focusing 2022 on StarsEN/Tempus is a smart decision, "quality over quantity", avoiding cannibalization of their audience, muh new market, muh barely existing female audience, yadda yadda, and you're already seeing the same kind defending the possibility of a StarsEN2 barely 6 months after the first gen (tho I still doubt that's going to be today's announcement).

>>40264059
Why would Cover loosen those restrictions?
Covers primary business is focused on Japan. EN is a low profit side branch.
Those restrictions and SOPs are made with that Japan market in mind.

>>40264059
>>40265024
You have no idea what you are talking about. JP can create a lot of fun content with those "restrictions" while EN can't create anything fun because of burgers alone. Last time there was a fun video by Mumei it has to be taken down and self-censored due to her not wanting to hurt the feelings of American people.

>>40256503
The ENs do not live in Japan

>>40259790
Rushia...Laplus...Ayame...

>>40264000
not disagreeing in general. but nothing stops the girls from being good entertainers in streams that are already greenlit.
plan ahead, know what you are doing, put some heart into it and roll with the punches. that's literally their job.
a good JP can play any game and try to make it entertaining even if it's dog shit - an EN will get frustrated, let it show, proceed to make the stream a miserable experience and throw in the towel.
there's a difference in mentality and professionalism that scouting apparently never considered and it's honestly frustrating to see.

>>40275294
Rushia streamed consistently

>>40275528
Scouting saw two pro-artists who barely ever streamed in their lives and thought they would be great choices for their STREAMER focused branch. The first worked somewhat if we don't consider the hiatus Namek she had last year, but the second one was a huge waste of time that ended up graduating before completing a full year. I don't remember if the whole scouting power of Cover meme started with Myth or is older but it never existed in EN.

>>40254079

>>40254079
Even when EN does huge collabs they never even get close to the numbers Pekora managed. I'm sure your "big thing" will save EN though.

>>40253965
>HoloEn falling apart
Tempus killed HoloEN.

Yagoo doesn't care about the Western market or fans. Tempus exists for the Chinese fujoshi audience and Cover is perfectly willing to sacrifice everything for Chinese money. Due to Coco they couldn't do this, so they devised a plan - make a disposable HoloEN branch which nobody will watch, and then create a male branch which is the actual goal. This branch, being Western, would be exotic and appealing to the target demographic - Chinese fujoshi - and would have plausible deniability of not being made for China. But something unexpected happened. Myth became a gigantic success. And that was a problem, because no matter its size the Chinese market is larger. This explains why Mori wasn't penalized for her constant yabs, why EN management never actually helped the girls in any way, or actively sabotaged them like they did Gura. THE GOAL WAS TO DEMORALIZE AND IMPLODE HOLOEN because its success and existence was a problem for Cover. Us actual fans fought and still fight against Tempiss, and as such are antagonistic to Cover and maletubers. This messes up their plans.

This literally explains everything. The "incompetence" of HoloEN management is intentional, and they're intentionally trying to destroy the girls so they - at best - end up as appendages to males like in Nijisanji. This is why Gura doesn't stream anymore and all of them barely try. They know this. And they can't get out. Yagoo sold their and our asses to China.

>>40276254
don't know why they let EN implode and anybody can see that weird shit's going on behind the scenes but the Tempus is for chinese fujos/yumes rrat is unlikely. maybe a bit on the side with blue man and aussie dog.
i think tempus as a group is supposed to fill in for EN gamers because they can't get the girls to play and enjoy niche games the male demographic wants to see. Deep rock galactic, vesper nerd shit, more tabletop, etc.
this plus group unity collabs which was never a thing in myth and got destroyed in council since sana checked out.

>>40253965
Don't MSPaint gyaru the Golgotha

>>40275843
There was a 4chan artist that would have been perfect chuuba, but she was dedicated to industry and was latina, so on the gravy train. She was really funny. Similar personality to Lia.

>>40253965
because they're not streaming, and whenever they do it's zero effort? it's not that deep anon.

>>40276990
Vesper is the only one with "exotic" game tastes, which translates into varied mp games for collabs. But outside of him the other 3 have a pretty generic, vtuber-core game selection, and are going through a lot of the games other HoloPro members played before them.

>>40277297
No more artists. Unless they're actually good streamers who also happen to be do art Cover should move away from this type, especially ones that have pro contracts outside of Hololive.

>>40275974
Show me your 194k outfit then nousagifag

>>40277840
Pekora for her outfit reveal last year

>>40277688
They can't play anything else due to perms

>>40253965
what the hell is even this image? what is it even referencing?

>>40263759
>cover can do no wrong
I been shitting on them constantly since they pushed Tempus over the girls.

>>40253965
Normalfags moved on, and weebs will watch JPs even if they don't understand what they are saying.
Also ENs barely stream.

>>40253965
A bunch of incels angrily arguing with each other about average stream hours and CCV like it's their stock portfolio will never not be hilarious.

>>40277688
>don't hire artists especially ones that have pro contracts outside of Hololive
JP worked so well because every single girl was a NEET and failed nicodouga entertainer. Most were pushing 30 and had nothing else in life besides hololive, there was a feeling of vindication in becoming successful.
For Kronii, Sana, Ina streaming is like a side hobby they do for fun. It's why Ame motivation burned so strong that first year.

>>40253965
Because EN is a bunch of whores.
It takes talent to find women who like to larp as pure idols while they ride cocks every night and even get pregnant behind the backs of their fans.
Must be some kind of new /vt/ fetish to cuck your fans like Gura does.

>>40280708
You mention unicorns but they undeniably care a lot about the girls. The worst you can do as an entertainer is be apathetic. Fostering mental health doesn't make for good drama.

>>40280585
It's absolutely hilarious, also the fact that you're here just makes it gold.