/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

NIJIGODS I KNEEL

b2b niji gold

So who is doing god view?

>>38750754
Recent clip numbers
>>38691584
>>38691602
>>38691681
>>38691705
>>38691734

>>38750786
>>38750793
Nijisanji might actually win both golds for december.

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY *
>59,875: Hex Haywire (Nijisanji)
>58,201: Ver Vermillion (Nijisanji)
>56,500: Meloco Kyoran (Nijisanji)
>54,995: Doppio Dropscythe (Nijisanji)
>54,891: Kotoka Torahime (Nijisanji)
>50,004: Zaion LanZa (Nijisanji)
>48,669: Miko (Hololive)
>38,576: Nijisanji English (Nijisanji)
>34,671: Hololive (Hololive)
>33,937: Pekora (Hololive)
>25,106: Toya (Nijisanji)
>23,786: Subaru (Hololive)
>21,443: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>20,368: Korone (Hololive)
>19,751: Fubuki (Hololive)
>16,408: Shigure Ui (Indie)
>16,255: Subaru (Hololive)
>15,515: Fubuki (Hololive)
>14,228: Chloe (Hololive)
>13,442: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>12,387: Kohaku Teto (Neo-Porte)
>12,348: Suisei (Hololive)
>12,294: Met (774 inc)
>11,444: Okayu (Hololive)
>11,354: Katrina (Nijisanji)
>11,100: Ito Life (Indie)
>11,099: NeruMero (Indie)
>10,975: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>10,319: Salome (Nijisanji)
>10,119: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>10,106: Saku (Nijisanji)
>10,009: Fubuki (Hololive)

150k possible?
200k? How high can we realistically go?

Why do they copy Holo Mario Kart? I hope Towa sue them

>main pov qualifiers 140k
Mikocchi...

this is the last marika he organized ;__;

>>38750525
That a mumei meme you knob
https://youtu.be/83ZEyl0pIu8

>>38750662

>last thread was sub 400 replies
HOLY GRIM

BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED

>>38750850
>DECEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Aqua (Hololive) - 74,863 - Birthday totsumachi
2) Miko (Hololive) - 43,734 - Molly Online w/Suisei
3) Pekora (Hololive) - 119,225 - 2 million subs celebration 3D
4) Toya (Nijisanji) - 108,918 - Niji MK Cup rules & lottery
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 65,711 - Fate/Grand Order gacha
6) Mio (Hololive) - 69,368 - New outfit reveal
7) Mio (Hololive) - 88,166 - 4th anniversary 3D live
8) Fubuki (Hololive) - 34,626 - Fate/Grand Order gacha
9) Hisui (Nijisanji) - 43,193* - 3D debut
10) Hex (Nijisanji) - 59,875 - Debut stream

>PER COMPANY
7x: Hololive
3x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
2x: Mio, Pekora
1x: Aqua, Fubuki, Hex, Hisui, Miko, Toya

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
227x: Hololive
104x: Nijisanji
6x: Indie, Neo Porte
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
53x: Pekora
22x: Miko
19x: Kuzuha
18x: Aqua
16x: Salome, Subaru
15x: Nijisanji
10x: Marine
8x: Mio
7x: Suisei, Toya
6x: Hal, Hololive, Kanata
5x: Flare, Fuwa, Gura, Koyori, Noel
4x: Chloe, Korone, Okayu, Polka, Towa
3x: Ayame, Choco, Fubuki, Lui, Mayuzumi, Mel
2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Iroha, Lamy, Laplus, Maimoto, Mito, Mori, Mysta, Nene, Nerumero, Shion, Sora, Tsukasa, Vox, Yashiro
1x: AI, Akabane, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Furen, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hex, Hisui, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Lain, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Moona, Nagao, Naruse, Natsume, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Ui, Watame, Yorumi, Zeta

>>38750876
Catalog is churning out bait threads right now since jannies are dead.

>>38750866
who chinman? is the rrat that i heard from matome sites about how next year will be organized by kagai actually true?

list of the dead/dying indies/small corpos

>Castella Inomori https://twitter.com/CastellaInomori
>Melonbread https://twitter.com/melonbread_69
>Raina Chiwawa https://twitter.com/RaniaChiwawa
>Selkie https://twitter.com/SelkieVT
>AisRiale https://twitter.com/AisRiale
>Virion Kisei https://twitter.com/virionkisei
>Chaos https://twitter.com/lordcommandervt
>MoonJelly https://twitter.com/moonjelly0
>Suika Emi https://twitter.com/suikaemi
>Usami https://twitter.com/usami_vt
>Etherna Celine https://twitter.com/ethernaceline
>Etherna Helen https://twitter.com/EthernaHelen
>Makoto & Akira Misaki https://twitter.com/ggnlive_withyou
>Peari Morino https://twitter.com/MorinoPeari
>Orla Gan Ceann https://twitter.com/orlaganceann

places to end up for these streamers include
>HoloEN3 which has been running 'open auds' all year so far
>Tsunderia auditions entered "second stage" on Aug 27th low likelihood for some of these girls now

Hololive can never dream of getting these numbers without resorting to debuts

>>38750866
Who

>>38750931
i think he said it in one of his recent streams. he's too tired to organize stuff like this again iirc. dunno about kagai though

>>38750964
Im actually more interested on their first non wavemate collab schedule since its gonna be interesting to see how vox will kneecap the potential threats to his throne.

>>38750706
Did it really kill her short view?

>>38750931
Mayazumi

holo gold contenders

>13 Ayame birthday
>27 Kanata debut anniversary
>29 Watame debut anniversary
>31 Hololive NY stream

niji gold contenders

>11 Marika 2022 qualifiers
>16 Hana 3D debut
>18 Marika 2022 tournament
>20 Luxiem anniversary
>25 SMC live
>29 NJU 2022 day 1 (whole day free)
>30 NJU 2022 day 2 (30 mins free)
>31 NJU 2022 day 3 (30 mins free)

If I was a vtuber I would coordinate SCs and have my friends SC or comment specific setup comments/questions to extract as much comedy and clipable moments as possible

Everyone is off watching Niji MariKa so the thread is dead as fuck. On the other hand, during any big Holo events, this place was filled with spams. Do Holofans not watch streams?

>qualifiers
>already 150k main povs + 17 player povs
>holo sportfes..

>>38751037
what were they like before?

>>38751037
yeah
some anon posted her views by month and this month was looking grim due to susan preparing the algo for the short monetization.

When I say NIJISANJI, you KNEEL
NIJISANJI

Combined views

Mumei is creating her own aoi na

>>38751115
Anon that thread is dead even if there was little to no nijijp streams.
Your first mistake is thinking that nijijp is actually relevant outside jp or japan.

>>38751170
>>38751173
surely that will make their 3views into 4views afterwards right?

>>38751115
This thread doesn't talk about NijiJP except when there's a big race on. It's a complete blowout today so there's not much to say, and no one replied to my post asking for predictions so I stopped caring.

>>38751187
cope
nijisanji > hololive

>>38751180
the EN audience doesn't care about pokemon

HOLOLKEK STATUS!!!

>>38751180
Mumei keeps taking ideas from JP streams and none of them will work because the EN audience does not give a fuck.
Also, why did she swap timeslots with IRyS? I see more late night Mumei streams than IRyS or Bae these days.

>>38751235
honestly surprised how fast the fad died since even the pokemon fleshstreamers that i watched have lower numbers than the previous gen games.

numbers aren't that high but mumei's graph is sex, inclining at 3am est

>>38751269
watching seffyna playing minecraft

my cute wife

How will the strongest Mario Kart Holomems fare in Niji's MK tourney if they were in it?

>>38751269
MALDING

Imagine doubting ACCELERATE

So Miko really fucked up the undokai then, right? There's no excuse for the numbers not to increase from last year when all NijiJP events have ballooned in CCV.

>>38751329
That wouldnt matter since its always rigged for Kuzuhawinslol just like splatoon.

>>38751115
No one here watches Nijisanji even though they are all obsessed with them

And just like that no Niji liver will ever get below 10k ever again

>>38751417
>No one here watches NijiJP
ftfy

>>38751397
Loli man i kneel

>>38751426
like i said, nijiJP is mostly based on tourists, is like small slimes, everyone reunited makes a big slime

>>38751397
Im actually curious if Nijien will try to make their own koshien/mk8 tournament and how big that will be.

>>38751270
At least she has good taste and is watching the superior branch.

How do we fix Nijisanji?

>>38751417
>the general population of /vt/
>caring about nijijp
nice joke anon

>>38751400
People will cope and say that it was still a success because the main POV got more than last year (because there were less POVs). But the most damning thing is that it not only got less consecutive peak from last year by 50k, it got less than the one in 2020 by nearly the same amount. It's great that JP is doing as well as it is, but you can't be hiring 100 people in a year and doing all these big ass projects and have negative growth overall in the company. They really need to rethink how they're handling their non-JP branches, because they're not going to be growing anymore in JP alone.

>>38751481
>en branch doing anything notable on their own
management will probably take over mario kart and turn it international and koushien will have some japanese-speaking enshitter next year

>>38751481
They dont have anyone in there who organizes that kind of thing. Selen is the best one for it and even her takes an entire life to just organize a fall guys tournament

>>38751596
make them do a big event on vox's channel

>>38751481
makes me wonder why they haven't tried it yet. there's already enough people now

>>38751437
>>38751618
thats why i said here

>>38751596
GRIM

>>38751624
>japs will get to experience vox fujo fanbase cheering him on in a competition.
that would be something interesting

>>38751669
Thats why i said nijijp when you said nijisanji, little to nobody watches nijijp here while we do have some stealth nijien fags who mind their own buisness and a ton of nijien crossshitters that shitpost here.

>>38751397
>sucking the growth of your chuuba and dump it into main channel ccv.
What a good company's policy, am i right?

>>38751643
as i said before, no one in EN has the abilities many JP have to organizing this shit and do planning. Management now is assuming many of those roles for JP but for a while the own vtubers did it as personal projects.

>>38751779
thats why their main channel is huge and hololive channel is a flop

>>38751779
I mean thats a good tactic for them considering they dont have to invest that much to their talents and get to funnel that money to the company instead.

have you mumed to mumei today?

>>38750754
>it’s today’s thinly veiled foot fetish porn thread

>>38751912
No I don't watch her

>>38751990
homosexual.

>>38751930
>thinly veiled
>veiled

makes me think why anykara removed the 1st on everything from nijisanji's page? they are actually 1st on everything

>>38751017
Hololive crushed your nobodies as always, even with Holo having to defeat your artificially inflated numbers lol

>>38751618
I checked /NijiEN/ and most of them are talking about xsoleil and Zaion with maybe one person talking about the tournament in the midst of it
/2434/ is completely dead and the /jp/ thread is not much better
Kinda sad to see really, is there another place where NijiJP fans post?

>>38751115
Ninjawhat?

>>38752011
Faggot

>>38751481
Sub 60k like luxiem noctyx collab

>>38752030
*where English fans of NijiJP post
I know the fans exist somewhere, are they on discord

>>38751227
They just don’t have that Hololive charisma.

>>38751400
Nobody’s watching ninjosando or whatever.

>>38752030
>>38752088
>is there another place where NijiJP fans post?
english nijijp fans exist on such a small scale that
5ch and matome sites is your best course of action since niji reddit is also dead

>>38752154
xQc is a huge fan of niji JP

https://youtu.be/gL6RWauoDxE

>>38752088
>nijijp en discord
3/4 of the topics there are just interactions between en and jp livers.

>>38752184
>xqc fanbase
oof couldnt have picked a more anti vtuber fanbase if they wanted too.

>>38752184
Xqc was a 35p tho

https://twitter.com/ceresfauna/status/1601856899363717120
https://twitter.com/ceresfauna/status/1601856899363717120

>>38752184
>had xqc attention a month ago
>still no mindshare in the en sphere
case in point

>>38752247
>1.6k likes, tweet posted 11 minutes ago
Is this high or low for Holo tweets posted in the middle of the night?

>>38752282
Honestly seems to be another case of Rin/Pewdiepie scenario.

>>38752292
thats some reddit tier joke
even twitter won't even bite

>>38752088
They are on r/vyt megathread

>>38751779
Yes? The talents will eventually leave, but the company stays there
When Coco left, tatsunokos followed her and now they are cover antis
When Rushia got fired, fandeads followed her and now they are cover antis
If Pekora or Miko were to leave, do you think nousagis and 35ps would stick around?

>>38752292
fauna in general gets no traction on twitter at all

>>38752417
They don't even have to leave. Look at how many chumbuds are already Cover antis.

>>38751397
Uhhhh where’s King POV? Why are they letting Kanae taking the lead?

>>38752515
Seed. He won last year so main touney pov

>>38752417
But when koshien leaves the niji tourists also leaves though?

>>38752726
but at least they aren't becoming antis

>>38752417
>Coco left, tatsunokos followed her and now they are cover antis

Mumei is shiny hunting instead of having sex in the middle of night.

>Another boring manufactured Niji "tournament"
yawn

Nijisanji is creatively bankrupt

We never really talked about why Niji are successful with event right? Was it just the sheer number of participants that make it all the more exciting?

Quick, we need a graduation. Maybe we can sacrifice Aqua.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601849364632072192
Fauna rising up on exposure!

>>38752863
A tournament is good if there are conflicts
Hololive is very averse to conflicts

>>38752855
this is number thread, and 170k is the number

>>38752794
>but at least they aren't becoming antis
but nijisanji has the worse antis though? say what you want about holo antis but none of them hold a candle to niji schizos like the mito stalker.

>>38752917
kek

>>38752917
Go Fauna Go!

I find it laughable that anycolor spends so much just to keep the illusion that their company is still floating while cover doesn't need to. That their streamers and brand still have some value to sponsors and other companies when they're, in fact reclining, and stacking multiple buffs onto events, hoping that they could fool people. It's already a tale as old as time that they've done big events on Sundays, another tale that may or may not be true that they've manufactured or padded numbers because people wouldn't look at graphs or questions the validity of its numbers or even the fact that the success of their overseas branch wasn't due to targeted demographics but instead, due to prexisting fans born from the cultivate of nijiJP's efforts or Hololive's efforts in the SEA or other East hemisphere areas.

From bribing twitterJP or YTJP staff to blocking game perms, they spend so much, and yet... Those hands never hold anything substantial. Anycolor is just a company built for greed...

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th9Jt-bcgB0
>Only top 30
recline..

>>38752951
>170k meaningless tourists who won't come back until the next lame ass "tournament"
Yeah, nice fanbase you have fostered there Nijishitty

>>38752830
Oh hey, she got 7.2k which means she beat her first pokemon stream peak kek

>>38752855
>Nijisanji event
I sleep
>Hololive does the same event
Real shit?

>>38752990
okay but im curious what the top 50 is. anyplace where i can find it?

>>38753051
I mean considering kuzuha clique wins 90% of the time might as well sleep.

>>38753015
7.2k was a tiny z. actual peak is around 6.8k
pretty good for her that she has people willing to watch her at this time. Probably some asian viewers in there

>>38752830
Get you a girl who spends her saturday nights like this autist lmao

>>38752863
Because that is what the company has trained their fans to do. Having all of their events on the main channel means that all of these tourists are only subscribed or get notifications to the main channel. That is why Nijisanji members have garbage sub numbers and viewership numbers compared to Hololive. The people just aren't watching them and only show up when the main channel goes live.

>qualifiers
>no niji top tier nijis e.g. kuzuha, yashiro, fuwa, sasaki
>bunch of literally whos except kanae
>already 175k
I kneel

>>38752917
Elon is such an attention whore Holy shit nobody gives a fuck if Twitter did some sussy shit every big corpo does it

>>38752830
i want to fuck her until she makes her signature autist sounds

>>38753105
Are we sure that's a z and not people tuning it because something happened? Doesn't look like a normal z shape.

>>38753051
The Hololive Mario Kart tournament last year was kino as fuck. The Niji tournament is boring because over half the roster is filled with either 3 views or people who normally never stream. Also you know who is going to win in advance since the entire thing is rigged for Kuzuha or somebody from his clique.

>>38753103
I hate it when gamers are good at games. They should have had some nepotism hires for the job.

>>38753187
>Kuzuha
>Good at games
Holy kek

Sport fest... What went wrong...

>that cast with those numbers
it's over

Nijisanji at 175k peak so far, already at least 40% growth on viewership over last year.
I'd have to admit their business model works so well for them that they could still have insane growth even after lockdowns and the initial boom.
It's without question that their ceiling now is significantly higher than any other by a mile and more.

>>38753211
I really can't fathom what went wrong with it

>>38752917
kek! Now I can brag picture related is not an edit

>luxiem anniversary
>Marika tourney
>NJU
>NY mahjong
Bad season for holokeks

>>38753105
>>38753157
Retention-wise it's godly though, a beautifully almost flat graph.
And also yeah, both vrabi and vstats filter didn't detect it as a z kek

>>38753157
Checked global real quick. Looks like it was a shiny but not the one she was looking for.

Give me 1 good reason why no one in NijiEN can continually incline when Holo girls can do it at fucking 4 am

>>38751481
They won't allow them to stream on Niji main channel

Predict the phony numbers. It's going to be grim I bet.

>>38751437
It's weird how separate the JP and EN fanbases are, but understandable. Anytime someone uses a nijiJP here I assume it's someone falseflagging because the fans that do exist are very quiet.

>>38753229
it was a reupload which killed any momentum

>>38753265
Under 300k obviously
Could be under 275k

>>38753210
Minecraft is debuff. Look how disastrous Niji sportfest 2 months ago, same goes to Holo sportsfest

>first 100k in top 12
There used to be 25+ of them
What the fuck happened????

>>38752987
But it works though. Their box is bigger than Hololive's and they are less prone to yabe backlashes from their talents misbehaviors
Just look at Tempus. Vesper got suspended for being rude multiple of times and all the vesties were demanding cover management's head. Now imagine if Vesper fucked up even more and got graduated for it, all those vestie sisters would leave the box immediately

>>38753256
>4am
Look at the time in Jakarta.

>>38753284
I mean most the time i see nijijp mentioned here its either king or some nijien fag trying to push his nijien is the face of nijisanji schtick.

>>38752417
>When Rushia got fired, fandeads followed her and now they are cover antis
When Rushia got fired, majority of fandeads oshi hen to Lamy or Chloe.
ftfy

>>38753311
But I thought indogs are mainly nijifags?

Don't want to get banned but, whatever. I have to say it. Fauna's new outfit is mid.

>>38753157
She encountered a SHINY VOLTORB and had a bit of a fit saying 'AOI! AOI!' since she's farming for GOLD shinies and ran into a fucking BLUE shiny.

>>38753256
worldwide fanbase

>>38752987
Holo tears never felt so good now that their recline is confirmed

You guys make fun of accelerate but this is the end result.

>>38753302
Youtube algorithm?
Unironically I rarely find vtuber songs on frontpage lately

>>38752475
Chumbuds aren't cuckbeats, anon

>>38753256
Nijis stream under 10 people overlap it's not really the same

OJOU AISHITE

>>38753341
>>38753244
Ah so a tab in spike, cool.

>>38753224
>Growth
>When every single one of their "talents" has massively reclined
Keep believing in the dead cat bounce of these tournaments where they have to funnel the entire company onto one channel to "grow" viewership.

>>38753337
The hair is great but yeah the outfit itself is whatever

>>38753224
If it was last year, I would trust the incline, but there's too much bullshit for their numbers this year that I wouldn't trust it. The base/floor for most of their talents didn't budge that much while their ceiling increased drastically as compared to previous years. There was also the salome stuff getting 90ks over a few weeks then it dropped hard, or really questionable numbers for certain 3D lives that they had to a significant number of Zs happenings etc. Plus, much of it isn't due to an improvement of 3D, or innovating ideas from last year, it's the same old same old.

>>38753336
Honestly I dont understand nijifag logic at this point. They always brag about how they dont get big numbers in NA primetime since they dominate SEA but then they try to paint hololive as the one with the big sea audience.

>>38752794
>Saying this
>When the worst ever case of antis happened to Mito
kek

>>38753302
I told you all way back when Holy Shitto released that Susan was playing games with the algo.

Kronii has such a cute laugh bros...

Holobros...

JWU and Holokeks are already malding. Gonna be a good day.

>>38753406
Not really she laughs like a dork

>>38753336
SEA people are the biggest hololive tribalists. Especially funny when they talk about how big HoloID compared to NijiID is, when no one who watches Niji cares about ID.

>>38753411
Bros... they caught the Holobox funnel...

>>38753224
>trusting big event niji numbers
not even once

These JP cover numbers are pretty grim ngl. Something in the algorithm definitely changed.

>>38753359
Niji and isegye songs are doing really well anon. Multiple 1M+ views within 2 weeks.
The Algo prefers what the viewers want and click, therefore they dump Holo songs for better content like from nijisanji and isegye

>>38753423
>SEA people are the biggest tribalists
Fix'd

of course

>>38753436
Holocope and Holoseethe

Why the fuck is JP Primetime so much later in the evening than EN Primetime?

Why is Luna practicing drifting?

>>38753448
>Niji and isegye songs are doing really well anon. Multiple 1M+ views within 2 weeks.
Anon pls another anon posted the whole nijiutai board and they also have grim numbers outside 1 or 2 songs.

>>38753302
Algo changes have completely fucked over Music, from the changes back earlier in the year to now, it looks like every 'change' YT makes has taken another bite out of vtuber music views.

>>38753476
what the fuck is EN primetime anymore. Supposedly its the gura slot but everyone streams near midnight est

>>38753337
it's fine for a cute casual outfit and her tits look great in i it but yeah it could have had a bit more something going on

>>38752990
wait moona new ori song not in here?

>>38753398
>no proof
Holo reclined anon, even the cover ranking stream reclined, they used to get 3k and now there's only 1k watching

>>38753448
>Niji and isegye songs are doing really well anon.
I know Isegye has good number but need example for Niji

>>38753436
Do we ever find out what happened to the lost 30k people? thoughts and prayers for their families.

>>38753333
Given that she gained almost 0 new viewers from her redebut, most of her core fans just left to watch her instead

>>38753467
Still sub 300k, suipissers must have broken their spare phones.

>>38753363
Scarle is streaming solo rn. Granted it's fucking Scarle.

Here comes muh susan holocope

>>38753506
>most viewed cover song

>>38753490
>Algo changes
Proof next thread?

>>38753506
>Video is about cover
>"Where is the orisong?"
Anonchama...

>>38753511
NTA but I guess there's the XSoLuL song...

>>38753543
heres a non holo/niji example anon

>>38753500
Yeah because no one wants to go against Gura. But notice when she doesn't stream suddenly the timesluts like IRyS and Bae jump on the slot

>>38753500
That's because EN has MULTIPLE FUCKING TIMEZONES, whereas all of Japan has ONE.

>>38753476
It's not. 8PM PST/JST for both. East coast fags are irrelevant.

>>38753511
Xsoleil debut song reached 1M views in less than two days

>>38753224
Luxiwm unironic brings more jap fujo audience to them kek

holokek mad because of this

>>38753573
How do we just know that's not just filian reclining?

>>38753608
Who? I only care about Kek Gaywire

>>38753608
IRstrokeks and cuckbeats status???? kek

Only Mumei, Fauna, Kiara and Gura for Wither fight apparently. On wednesday accotding to Mooms. Number thoughts?

>>38753608
>took 2 weeks to get to 1 million
Weren't the sisters saying it was going to get to 1 million faster than Reflect? Pretty grim.

>>38753550
>>38753598
The ad-boosted one? Rightt, "natural".

>>38753573
Can you post the other monthly stat below it? it should paint a clearer situation since damn, she lost third of her views from October to November.

>>38753646
10k chumbuds + 4-5k hoomans + 6k saplings + 2k kfps

>>38753374
I'm talking about Nijisanji, not their talents particularly. Their brand has ridiculous growth.
Whoever is doing their business strategy is up for a huge bonus I bet

>>38753653
>>38753655
Keep deflecting

>>38753646
>Number thoughts
>Kiara
>It will be forced to her shitty time slot
Not looking good

>>38753608
ok wtf?

>>38753678
sorry lucucks

>>38753614
because her ccv is supposedly still in the same range according to another anon in the fillian thread.
that and if youve been browsing shorts like i did youd notice that theres more corporate stuff being pushed there now and its a little more sanitized.
add to the fact that some anons have had less vtuber related ads (including xsoliel which is why i think its one of the factors in the less than hype debuts) seems to indicate susan is planning or doing something.

>>38753646
ABSOLUTE SHIT because it's going to be in the shitty chicken timeslot.

>>38753608
Moona's new orig 630k, and she HoloID with 800-2.5k ccv, depends on content.

>>38753608
And you all thought that his audience were gonna go to Hex kek

>>38753608
Don't forget about this. NijiEN is even bigger than HoloJP now. Holokeks are too busy with their EN vs JP fight and didn't realize their entire company reclined. That's because NijiJP and NijiEN focus on Unity so they incline together, while HoloJP deliberately ignores HoloEN so they both die.

>>38753678
That's a cute girl

>>38753608
>Thinking NijiEN music views are legit
There are always fools like you who easily fall for scams.

>>38753596
Shut the fuck up retard the literal biggest vtuber in all of EN streams in East coast prime time.
80% of Americans live in the east. No one schedules shit for west coast specifically

>>38753573
>en
Heres jp side

>>38753646
Depends on who puts up a POV. It should be Gura > Fau > Mei > Kiara.

Kiara Fauna together had like 10k viewers. So I expect the total box to be double that this time.

>>38753511
>>38753489
Lauren's song got to 3M within 5 weeks while Vox's reached 1M in 2 weeks

>>38753730
Shame you can understand about 20% of what she says in english

Are we sure Hololive is sustainable? Genuinely curious since their big events have had disappointing numbers this past year. With Nijisanji, Koshien, MariKa tournament and probably NJU all have bigger numbers so they’re probably doing something right.

>>38753712
Fillian streams on twitch so even though it's stable I don't see how it's really relevant since the style of content is completely different from her youtube

>>38753702
That's better than any Holo songs released in the last 2 weeks anon....
Aqua's didn't even get to 100k after 3 days...

>>38752917
ChadSapling ShadowPromoting Faufau!

>>38753739
Damn, the east looks like an overcrowded shithole.Thank god I dont live vthere.

>>38753778
>Genuinely curious since their big events have had disappointing numbers this past year.
Arent most of the holo events bigger than last year?

>>38753796
I accept your concession

>>38753712
Fillian is also reclining on twitch anon, what the fuck are you talking about? She's down about 10-20% in viewership over a few months.

>>38753786
because unibirth is a reupload, she already uploaded the song days or weeks ago until idk was taken out

>>38753614
also see
>>38753748
Its not just en or fillian related its susan related

>>38753813
Not really, Aqua, Suisei and many more have had worse performances in this year.

>>38753646
Single POV? it depends on channel. Probably 20-25k.
Multi POV?
Gura 15k
Fauna 6-7k
Mumei 5-6k
Kiara 3-4k

>>38753541
>>38753542
sorry anon i'm retarded

RIP Niji twitter numbers

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601851685915095040

>>38753813
don't reply to a low quality bait, retard

>>38753796
>bragging about living in commiefornia about bumfuck nowhere
Not sure about where you're going with this one

>>38753778
>Hololive dies when getting a lower number in one day
>Nijisanji dies when getting a lower number in one day
Maybe just accept that two groups are already too big to fail

>>38753813
Stop feeding the shitposter (You)s.

>>38753849
who had bad performances this year?

>>38753813
Individual events; 3DLives, birthdays, and annis, are mostly up but group events not so much

>>38753831
Yes and that one also didn't do any better than Luca's cover

>>38753778
Nothing is sustainable. Eventually people get tired of things. For example for games, World of Warcraft is slowly dying. FFXIV is slowly dying. Apex is dying. Fortnite is dying... I think? People just move on to the next fad.

>>38753813
Company-wide events experienced modest growth IIRC except for the Minecraft tournament. Solo events on the other hand improved significantly.

Looking back, doesn't hololive have significantly less company-wide events?

>>38752088
>>38752154
>>38752030
Its talked on discord and on twitter. some anons are also talking about it on /nijien/ since no one else is streaming
its not such a small scale as you say. there's niji jp only fans out there but also many nijien fans who also are jp fans. not the majority but at least 20-30%
heres some jp fans on twitter
https://twitter.com/Kurono_Mei/status/1601869039176851456?s=20&t=cAwAtlR1H-AG5I3giYzi8w
https://twitter.com/hikaru_clipper/status/1601866186488258562?s=20&t=cAwAtlR1H-AG5I3giYzi8w
https://twitter.com/ago_toya_ago/status/1601843740985151488?s=20&t=cAwAtlR1H-AG5I3giYzi8w
https://twitter.com/rorenppoina/status/1601869087013220353?s=20&t=cAwAtlR1H-AG5I3giYzi8w
https://twitter.com/yeejyaaaa/status/1601861928678461441?s=20&t=cAwAtlR1H-AG5I3giYzi8w
you can probably find more in the followers or retweets

>>38753869
Nijisanji is failing though. Literally everybody in the company has reclined and is losing viewership while Holo's like Pekora and Miko are putting up their biggest numbers ever.

>>38753374
Lmao, holo funneled their entire company onto one channel in summer with their long awaits sexbait swimsuit and barely got 200k kek

>>38753862
Nijikeks are sweating

>>38753886
Huh so Hololive is getting more and more Vtuber centered while Nijisanji is getting more and more Company centered. Not surprising since Cover usually invests more in their chuubas while Anycolor focuses more on the company side.

>>38753608
>NijiEN music numbers

>>38753778
you're genuinely misunderstand things. Those events that holos done had always been for the benefit of the talents while the niji events are done as to prop up the main channel. Anycolor, as scummy as a company they are, probably padded, manufactured most of the events this year because it was highly unlikely for lize or kuzuha to be the finalists of the one year event. Two of the top livers being finalists, sheessh. In the end, those events never did help increase the floor of the talents.

>>38753909
Their individual talents? Sure
But the company itself looks still very strong

>>38753739
>Shut the fuck up retard the literal biggest vtuber in all of EN streams in East coast prime time.
Does she? Where are her streams then?

Uhhhhhh holobros? Why do the nijikeks have a 100k stream on right now?

>>38753906
>Its talked on discord
>>38752188

>>38753869
No, Hololive is still in danger in the fact that the company is too reliant on talents as opposed to brand.
Cover takes too long to hire people, and their new recruits are wayyy too underwhelming. If a big talent like Pekora or Marine is out of the company, Hololive might be fucked since they have to new members to take the reign.
On the other hand, a brand focused company like Anykara can survive any major graduations because they know how to cater to casual viewers. The fact that the company is still growing stronger despite multiple people leaving is a testament of that strategy.

>>38753937
Niji is all about the bottom line with little care for the actual talents. That is why they went public and it's why they don't even bother to pay their employees. Hololive, on the other hand, is talent focused since they know that a happy motivated member will naturally draw the views to them instead of artificially pumping them up with these soulless events like Niji does.

>>38753671
Nijisanji will never die for this exact reason

>>38753903
>>38753937

>>38753958
>Every talent is putting up all time lows
>BUT THE COMPANY IS STILL VERY STRONG
This is some nuclear level cope

>>38753984
I wonder what would happen if Kuzuha graduated

>>38753898
so you have proof of the previous numbers? unibirth was also a long released song, it just doesn't have any MV until now kinda like irys's gravity. You want to compare that to like luca's second or third cover lmao

Is it not like finals week for moom, why did she do 2 5 hour+ pokemon streams in the middle of the night?

>>38753937
You could say that, and that's why Nijisanji gets more popular than cover every year.
One model had shown to be more sustainable and more scalable than the other. Cover need to start to follow suit or else they'll be left behind the dust

>>38753983
If hololive is talent focused to make their chuubas happy, why are there so many long term hololive members doing the bare minimum or less? Is there anything cover should do to combat that or is it fine as a sort of passing the torch to newer talents?

>>38753937
And as we can see investing in individual chuubas is stupid when they can just disappear and all the investment is gone. See: Laplus, Ina, Gura.

>>38754011
our events are mogging your holowhore events retarded holokek
bring up big numbers because this is the numbers thread

>>38754015
Anykara can just find someone else to prop up for a few more months, like they did with Salome. The company has the resources to do it forever.

>>38753983
their employees are paid. vtubers arent employees, are contractors. they arent the same thing.
and if the vtubers feel bad about it, they all would be out at this point, but most of nijisanji don't graduate related to their sheer size

>>38754063
> like they did with Salome
Nigga! this aint Lottery!

>>38754024
Depending on the program the majority of her finals may be projects/reports, which can still be worked on if you completely ruined your sleep schedule.

>>38754015
Nothing. Kuzuha is not playing today since he is in the seeds yet niji manage to peak 175k with a bunch of literally whos.

>>38753953
Scummy or otherwise, their efforts had been very effective on bringing in viewership to their largest content/events. And that's how you grow the brand and win the vtuberbowl

>>38754024
She canceled a stream yesterday to finish her work so this is probably her making up for it

>>38754075
>ratiocope

>>38754063
>like they did with Salome
The biggest flop of the year. What a success story!!

>>38753969
thanks for ignoring all the rest,and thinking theres only one niji jp discord
and no most of the talk in there isnt about en and jp, at least lurk for once

Why are faggots still trying to keep this console war mentality when both Cover and Anycolor are partnered now?

>>38753608
i thought his viewers fuck off because of his constant yab? guess he went full shilling for this cover to get that many viewers so fast

>>38754063
> like they did with Salome
I'm still waiting for Gura killer

>>38754083
My point is that Anykara has the ability to hire hundreds of people to find a single gem. They will starve Cover out of recruits if they can.
Cover’s hiring strat is not working, just look at how long between JP, ID and EN. Even with new people, they have turnt out flops after flops.

A lot of Holocope in this thread. Just accept that the current strategy isn't working and Cover should debut JP7 and EN3 if they want to stay competitive. They need tourists to drive new growth in songs, views, and box, because the current audience can't last forever.

>>38754110
not ratio cope when having more members means youll have more graduations

>>38754106
Wait I thought that Kuzuha wasnt in the torunament anymore which is why I was impressed with the 175k since it showed that they can survive even if the tournament had nothing to do with him. If thats the case then i retract my statement since it seems that they still rely on him for big numbers.
>yet niji manage to peak 175k with a bunch of literally whos.
maybe because they are curious who is gonna be challenging kuzuha?
Im curious who else is in the seeds?

While me being numberfag think Niji maybe is the better way, but me being vtuber fans, I rather see vtuber company who care about their talents rather than ACCELERATE

Uhh why is the Gyaru currently a 3view?

>>38754122
biggest flop of the year while being in the top of Nijisanji, one of the only 1 million vtubers in the agency and getting investment from them

>>38753862
>>38753914
Will my Holo Oshi lose a lot of twitter followers too?

So Anycolor gets the number victory this year, while Cover can have the moral victory?
Sounds about right

If niji has a graduation every week next year, will they be able to win yearly gold?

Is the Nijishill back?

>>38754131
most en nijijp discords are fucking dead compared to the lowest nijien discord anon.

>>38754202
Seeded players don't play today

>>38754204
none of them ever graduated because of complaints about not being supported

>>38754211
>Intro 2.5
They really spam those debut buff

>>38754052
but the chuubas in nijisanji are happy too bud(i said IN, not OUT)

>>38753862
roboco...

>>38754235
And they are still in the tournament which makes people curious on who they will be competing against.
Them getting these numbers without kuzuha in the tournament would have been something else.

>>38754220
Anycolor is better at peak performance while Cover is better at daily performance

>>38754202
he made it to the finals last year these guys wont be playing today.

>>38753849
Aqua had a better performance this year, 92k vs 84k from last year.

>>38754234
im not talking about individual, im talking about niji jp discords outside of 2434 club

>>38754277
Whos the guy in between kuzuha and rindou

>>38754175
Try harder
>Weve seen your rrat posted /here/ like thousands of times already

>>38754277
bruh why is axia in the image

>One (UNO) gold
>HOLOKEKS

>>38754303
some neet

>>38753849
Retard

People saying Anycolor fucked up on the Salome issue, but what the data actually shows is that their biggest events starts only getting ridiculous numbers AFTER Salome reclines.
Before Salome debuted, they literally only had (1) 100k+ streams, now they have over 30.
It's Anycolor doing what they do best, convert the viewers their talents gather into reliable tourists for their biggest events

>>38754288
are you talking about eop/esl nijijp discords or jp nijijp discords? cause i thought the original question was for where eop/esl fans hang out.

nijinigger so cocky about tourists number who will fuck off after the event is over

>niji box event with literally whos
>175k
>holo box event with a sub shitter holo
>picrel

>>38754321
More like Vtuber is growing in JP

>>38753953
That is the thing. The entire point of big spectacle events is to turn tourists into long term regular customers. You can pump up all the big events you want but if those people aren't becoming regulars than the event isn't a success. We can see from the massive recline of daily Nijisanji streams that the tourists have no interest in becoming regular customers of the brand. They are just there for the spectacle of the big event.

>>38754314
Three actually, this weekend was won by Anycolor in all fronts

>>38754220
>Anycolor gets the number victory this year
How? They can't even win a month with the power of Z.

>>38754175
>he says this when nijisanji accelerated so hard in indonesia that their branch went kaput and thought that there would be no superstars there
>then hololive just releases id3
ruru

Surely it's Nijimonth this time... right?

Come on bros let Nijisisters have this one. Their newest EN gen was a fucking flop somewhat even worse than Iluna, the entire branch is pretty much fucked and will soon compete with Jecorpos and Pippa.

>>38754389
I don't think Niji has had a very great month.

>>38754389
Maybe?

>>38754361
Anon nijifags consider that a win since big events mean big money for riku and the investors. They dont care about their oshi or the other livers.
I hope you didnt fall for the "real nijifans hate management and love their liver meme" since its opposite irl.

>>38754175
>They will starve Cover out of recruits if they can
>sort by subs
Roru, rumao even.

>>38754220
>2022
>highest median record
>highest number of 10k+ streams record
>highest massive collab numbers record
>highest SC record
>company worth $ billions
its actually over...

>>38754361
Who cares about regular customers? They don't pay enough money. On the other hand, big numbers for big events means bigger sponsors

>>38754472
I hope that retarded sheep dies along with her company.

Damn why so many sisters spamming tonight? Did their vacation end? Cover is probably trying to move gen announcements around holofes. If they centralize and combine the different anniversaries while also turning holofes into a huger spectacle and giving expectation of new tubers every year there it will be a good long term strategy. I can't see any other reason for their actions.

>>38754425
>Their newest EN gen was a fucking flop somewhat even worse than Iluna,
Not really.

>>38754472
Did I miss the outfit reveal? What was the peak?

>>38754444
Old fans are like that, but this new breed of obnoxious faggotry, yea, there's no way they hold the same mindset. They probably don't even know a single thing about Nijisanji Resistance for example.

>>38754494
(Lolisex) Council didn't do as well as expected...

you ever jack off and pass out for like 7 hours
anyways, anything interesting in that span, also is the nijitourney just gold for today or does it have more days

>>38754361
The company rather have 1 big spectacle event than their talents get slightly more SC/merchs anon.
Big numbers means they can get better sponsors and investments.
They could always just debut a new wave if they felt like increasing their non-event cash flow

>>38754494
Why do you think ANYONE in this thread is a nijiJP fan? It's all either nijiEN or falseflagging trying to weaponize nijiJP. That's how it's always been.

>>38754472
I want to put this sheep in the LAMY Podium(as Yellow Wamy)
But her being Watamage prevents me from doing so

>>38754389
Hololive has a hefty head start, niji doesn't have events every single day.

>>38754532
What was the resistance again?

>>38754505
One of the new debuts is already bordering on 3 view territory with their debut 2.0 stream. It's fucking grim.

>>38754494
Didn't you know? Everytime Nijisanji wins a gold Hololive has gone into bankruptcy, Yagoo is hanging himself and all the talents have been force into becoming street walkers. It's just the normal /#/ nijiniggers out for their monthly gloat.

>>38754552
I like Nui and Hayama Marin...

>>38754389
>NJU last 3 days of December
nah its already over before Christmas

>>38754574
>One of the new debuts is already bordering on 3 view territory with their debut 2.0 stream
Anon pls tell me your joking.

>>38754494
Company simping over their talents isn't sustainable nor scalable, especially when the talents can just change ship when they felt like it.
Cover need to figure that out else they're going to find out the hard way.

>>38754444
There are no nijifans, it's literally all just Holo antis (so zhangs) hoping to btfo Cover. It's even more obvious when they pretend to care about NijiJP.

>>38754608
>this month surely!

>>38754592
Are you using them to stir up shitposts? No of course not. It's nijiEN retards that know nothing about nijiJP trying to cause trouble.

>>38754552
I have never watched and will never watch a single NijiJP, NijiEN, or Niji whatever stream. Fuck that company.

>>38754574
>guerilla chatting streams in dead hours
already 2k and rising
Looks great to me. If a low tier Holo like Bae or Kiara did a guerilla chatting stream at this hour they wouldn't break 1k.

kek no wonder Nijisanji is back to viewfarming their big event again

>>38754626
>simping
God I’m glad you don’t manage anything.

God the things i would do to tired mumei

>>38754574
>bordering on 3 view territory with their debut 2.0 stream
Don't be like nijiniggers anon

>>38754652
>>38754674
>NijiEN numbers
>shits on a NijiJP event
its so tiresome

>>38754626
>Talents can just change ship
>Two most financially successful talents change ship and lose 90% of their income

need a different rat, sis.

>>38754434
shut up dude, this happened last year too

>>38754674
wow they did worse than iluna

>>38754647
anon doesn't know debut buff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfmD7WAtSVE
Oh that anon meant this one, not the debut 2.0

>>38754674
>Don't be like nijiniggers anon
NTA but he's actually pretty close to being right. Without that raid at the rate this bitch was losing viewers she'd have been at sub 2k by the end.

>>38754674
>worse numbers than iLuna
>One of them is currently streaming and is bordering on 3 view territory
Dead on Arrival

>>38754710
>2.5

>>38754637
>There are no nijijp fans
ftfy
weve seen time and time again how some nijien fags come here just to shitpost and sometimes get banned like during the selen costume reveal. i frequent both threads and i can tell you for a fact that one nijien regular snakeanon shitposts here since he was banned around the same time as that holokek spammer was also banned.

>fauna new outfit sex
>mumei 5 hour stream
faumei bros are winning

>>38754329
im talking about eop/esl discords. 2434 club talk about jp and en all the time, you just need to go in different threads

>>38754710
jezas.....

>>38754729
I don't know who started debut 2.0/2.5/3.0 bullshit but that's retarded

>>38754562
Back in the early days of OneColor, when they were new and actual black company due to being so new, a bunch of their talents banded together into a psuedo-union to address the issues they were facing. To their credit, management mostly DID fix their shit up and the Resistance disbanded since their reason for existing had fallen to the wayside.

>>38754720
https://youtu.be/SwOat0JYPAY

https://youtu.be/ilRJW3fMpA4
Pekomiko!!!

>>38754472
Love the sheep

>>38754763
What kind of issues did they have and who were the key members of the resistance?

>>38754710
>1.7k
The fuck thats actually faster than Iluna and even the jewcorpo in terms of audience loss.

>>38754710
>New debut from THE BIGGEST VTUBER COMPANY IN THE WORLD
>Worse numbers than Pippa
This is probably the most grim thing I have ever seen. Right up there with Salome's current numbers.

>>38754738
theres many nijijp fans in /nijien/ retard, you would know that if you are a regular, with how theres talk whenever jp events happen

>>38754680
Talents don't need that much money to begin with. Which is why coco resigned in the first place, had Anycolor managed her instead of Cover, they would make sure so that she will always still be bringing in value to the company to make ends meet

>>38754729
With that pattern, the next stream will be 2.75

>>38754710

>>38754763
Funny how the resistance dont exist anymore huh, what happened if according to this thread they are a black company????

>>38754794
>>38754791
Retards, it's guerilla, a chatting stream, at a terrible timeslot, and she's overlapping multiple streams.

>>38754710
Jesus, worse recline than even iluna

>>38754763
>>38754834
They do still exist, it's just Shiina and Chaika.

>>38754718
>she'd have been at sub 2k by the end
No she wouldn't. By 1 hour mark she was only losing 100 viewers per minute. Even without the raid she'd still be close to 3k by the time she ended.

>>38754771
This song is amazing and has the soul (the good kind) that all of her new stuff is missing. She needs to get back to this.

>>38754799
i meant nijijp en fans posting here anon
most if not all of the /Nijien/ fags that post here just do so to shitpost due to their retarded belief that shitposting here makes their thread better or something.

>>38754852
yes i know they still exist, duh. but why they dont do the shit they have done before?

>focused on talents
>their songs reclined
>outfit reveals reclined
>SC reclined
>NonJP viewership reclined
Doesn't seem sustainable to me doctor

>>38754836
But didn't you say that "context was cope" when you were shitting on IRyS' Splatoon numbers yesterday? Those numbers were still better than this big new debut by the way.

>>38754885
>but why they dont do the shit they have done before?
same reason why hong kong protesters dont have enough power to protest anymore. everybody else got silenced.

kek now i get it why Rikusama decided to do the mariokart tournament after circus soleir and not before in order to promote them. They cant even be bothered to bot those failures..

>>38754902
That wasn't me, I don't care about your shitty coombait whore. Don't lump me in with your holo vs holo infighting.

>>38754864(me)
>100 viewers per minute
100 viewers per 10 mins, for fuck's sake phone.

>>38754852
if they are still a black company, why they dont do anything like they did before?
maybe because conditions are better now? maybe because it was never about vtubers but the own employees at ichikara?

>>38754885
Make a talent assembly line, accelerate the standard to the ground and be able to throw warm bodies human wave style into chuba branches even if they go to two view or graduate.

>>38754930
>That wasn't me
Sure Nijikek. I believe you.