/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>3854755
I want to prone bone Gura so bad

Goomba roomba goomba roomba

Way too early dumbass, there's a bunch that haven't started streaming yet

>>3854755
Tojyo Ghoul finally beats Pekora again... but Gura decides to make an effort. Sorry Ghoul

>>3854755
Get fucked Tokyo ghoul

The behemoths of hololive...

>>3854755
Abayo kaneki ken-kun

>>3854755
I hope Gura keeps on the pressure.

>>3854755
Something's wrong with this list. I don't see Niji EN anywhere???

>>3854755
>Mori with two 20k viewer streams


I wonder if it finally clicked with Mori that you can get more viewers when playing good games?
Because she was recently talking about not having a lot of viewers as of late and people forgetting about her.

>Kuzuha almost beating Pekora and Gura on a non-APEX stream
KNEEL HOLOKEKS

OH NO NO NO HOLOBROS NOT LIKE THIS

>>3854755
LEEEEEEETTTTTTTT'SSSSSSSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>3859069
>>3859103
I love the /v/ in vt

>>3859103
Fucking kek

>>3859103
saved

>>3854755
fucking chicken can't get more than 10k XDDDDD

>>3854755
Imagine finally beating pegora just to get mogged by rhombic shark.

>>3858996
5k++ constant viewers is lot, even some of her own senpai's cant reach it. Indies would kill for Mori's viewership.

>>3859369
He needed two more chubas to do it.

>>3859267
Kek

none of you retards using him to falseflag have ever watched him lol

Gura was playing RE8 which is a massive buff game and Kuzuha is playing Valorant which doesn't draw as many viewers as his APEX streams.

>>3859483
>ignoring the Valorant stream

Shit, the next time he plays APEX he'll easily hit 35k+ peak. Pecucks are finished.

festival...

>>3858797
>Shark
>50k subs
>9k max live viewers in debut
>15k in waiting room last weekend
Saviorfags will save her they said. 2 more days to build up hype they said. It actually looks worse now.

>>3859669
Maybe she should do something other than play Apex all the time

>>3859669
>being below Shitsuri
MY SIDES

>>3859012
if he gets 194k live viewers I will

>>3854755
>Be the biggest and most popular VTuber of the "most popular" VTuber group in Japan.
>Get mogged by some mildly autistic farmer girl larping as a shark.

>>3859012
who?

>>3859588
Falseflagger

>>3859588
screenshot your membership or kill yourself

>>3859772
how is that surprising? a mildly autistic farmer girl larping as a shark sounds like the cutest thing in the world

People should be able to read the numbers without excuses, but it never happens.

>>3859414
most indies would kill for anya viewership levels

Are they promoting msi laptop?

>>3859772
You mean "midget depress lonely social anxiety autistic famer girl larping as a rhombus shark with floating cat ears"

>>3860049
>You mean "midget depress lonely social anxiety autistic famer girl larping as a rhombus shark with floating cat ears"
you just pointed out what makes her cute and adorable...

>>3859772
>mildly autistic farmer girl larping as a shark.
I love gooru.
She is perfect.

Can we have a non-cope day? Just for once.

>>3854755
>these gura and mori numbers
is resident evil a big buff game or is it just horror in general?

>>3860049
her ears is fixed.

>>3860169
Resident Evil, unlike Monster Hunter, is a game that America actually likes.

>>3859772
>popular in Japan vs. popular worldwide
Not a tribalist but what do you expect?

>>3860169
>buff game
Arguing over the game being played means you can justify low numbers when it’s not the game you want, and the other side can justify high numbers by a “buff” game excuse. Turns into endless excuses from both sides as the games move back and forth. It’s pointless excuses in general.

>>3860183
esl moment.

>>3860169
Horror is a super buff game. Most people would watch streamers for their reactions cause they're too scared to play it themselves. Gura on Outlast 2 and 3 would be a treat to watch.

>thread is a 24/7 shitflinging contest of gura vs pegora vs kuzuha
I don't get it

>>3860327
it do be fun doe.

>>3860327
Biggest entuber vs biggest female jptuber vs biggest male jptuber

>>3860169
>>3860240
>>3860262
Gura had good views on her MH, so i don't get what are you talking about...

>>3860307
>Horror is buff
Great, then whenever any VTuber (regardless of side) plays a horror game we can make excuses for why they actually should have lower views. Then when they don’t play a buff game, we can make excuses for their lower views. Coping 101.

>>3860387
>>3860405
I want more mid tier numberfagging

>>3860431
her average views are around 20k, 30k is a 50% buff.
mori's average views are around 10 or 12k, so 20k is about an 100% buff.
yes their views are great playing other games but you gotta admit it's a big difference.

>>3860327
Just another brand of console wars anon

>>3860572
People were curious on how will Mori handle a horror game. It was hilarious in the best way.

>>3860572
What makes a good VTuber is the ability to play NO GAME and still get good views. Whether by singing, chatting, or whatnot. So I tend to object to both sides making excuses for how buff or not a game is, as that endlessly changes turning into endless excuses. Then people try to calculate how much an outfit stream brought back viewers, and even that itself becomes an excuse.

>>3859012
>collab shill stream
Don't get too excited Nijikeks. He can't put those numbers up on his own.

>>3860713
>What makes a good VTuber is the ability to play NO GAME and still get good views. Whether by singing, chatting, or whatnot. So I tend to object to both sides making excuses for how buff or not a game is, as that endlessly changes turning into endless excuses. Then people try to calculate how much an outfit stream brought back viewers, and even that itself becomes an excuse.
why are you throwing Kiara under the bus like this?

>>3854774
Based

>>3859690
Saviorfags are the loud minority, guess that's not so obvious to everyone.

>>3860713
idk man, i think certain games or types of streams will give a streamer additional views.
sure a good streamer can make content out of anything and will still get good views but if i see a streamers get much higher numbers then usual it's hard not to attribute it to the game.

>>3860734
He got 28.5k on Valorant. Now imagine it when he streams APEX. COPE.

>>3860939
if it's games, why not have them play them at diffrent times... like no one says they can't play popular games lmao

>>3860940
again who?

>>3860939
>i think certain games or types of streams will give a streamer additional views
That’s not the point. The streamer should still be blamed for their own performance, regardless of the game (buff or not), and even no game at all. Otherwise it’s endless excuses.
>a good streamer can make content out of anything and will still get good views
That’s the point.
>but if i see a streamers get much higher numbers then usual it's hard not to attribute it to the game.
If one did manage to get access to a buff game that others cannot play, perhaps that too should be credited to the streamer. Otherwise there is too much crying over a particular game. You can even justify low numbers by saying it’s not a buff game.

>>3861127
The based vampire who mogs reddit shark regularly even though he has less than 1/3 of her subs. And looks like he's going to start mogging reddit rabbit too now.

>>3860431
The reach of Monster Hunter is fairly limited to certain audiences. Once you get past the hype of "playing a new game" the interest wanes fairly quickly.

Let me illustrate by listing all of the live views on it:
>May the hunt BEGIN - 21,697 / 28,992
>charge blade lol - 12,785 / 16,889
>meat spin lol - 14,584 / 17,025
>deep sea duo - 10,787 / 12,215
>Learn Hammer - 9,540 / 10,961

Did you notice something? Do I have to explain to you the difference between Monster Hunter and Resident Evil in the western markets?

>>3860940
Good news, he's still live right now. For every falseflag shitpost you put in here using his name and face, you can make up for it by sending 5000JPY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-sC4OuvAOE

>>3861262
you have never watched a second of him in your life lmao

>>3860405
>biggest male jptuber
What makes him so good anyway? I thought being male was a huge debuff or something

>>3860940
again collabing, stop embarrassing yourself already

>>3861383
>What makes him so good anyway? I thought being male was a huge debuff or something
you focus to much on appearances anon

>>3860327
Numberfags like chuubas with big numbers to coom.
Shitflinging is their method to keep their threads alive.

>>3861249
Gura and Pekora are already good streamers. They can keep people entertained even without the games. Horror games generally is a buff especially for both of them cause most viewers just wanted to watch their reactions. I don't know about Kuzuha though, but he is too reliant in getting high views by playing Apex and Valorant while pekora could hold 20k+ in a Japanese country quiz stream

>>3861476
>Shitflinging is their method to keep their threads alive.
Isn't that every thread on every board on this hellhole?

>>3861383
shitposting aside he's entertaining and not that bad at video games he has his retard moments though. he tends to speak without thinking at times which can be funny too.
people who bring him up in these threads only do it to troll, but if you don't mind male chuubas (or the industrial quantity of apex/valorant streams) he's worth a try imo.

>>3860327
>thread is a 24/7 shitflinging contest of gura vs pegora vs kuzuha
Perhaps a collab of Gura with pekora and kuzuha would keep the peace for one day?

>>3861528
Exactly.

>>3861508
so could kanata, but admittedly noels boobs helped her hold that stream.

>>3861598
I don't know about Gura but KuzuPeko collab would actually be based...

>>3861598
gura can't speak Japanese but if that collab happened i feel like it'd be big.

>>3861508
My point is that Kuzuha should still be credited for his high views, regardless of the game being played. Then when it’s low views (people lose interest) that’s his fault as well. I don’t watch him at all, but if he plays good or people want to watch for whatever reason, it still is to his credit.

Actual numbers

Does anybody here has the "top vtuber by month through the years" graph?

>>3860940
On a collab + tournament. Yeah, amazing

>>3861812
Everyone
>puts hashtags and everytrick to gain views
Gura
>yes yes

>>3861249
>If one did manage to get access to a buff game that others cannot play, perhaps that too should be credited to the streamer
Agree. There's a real buff game that anyone can play and get higher number than their average, then there was that guy who got 30k out of nowhere playing slither.io recently and that doesn't seem like a generic buff game.

>>3861775
but the thing is changing the game he plays does make him lose views. the decrease of his average views from march to april coincides with the start of his valorant addiction. when he starts an apex stream and changes the game the viewers immediately decrease and he even gets complaints about it in chat (things like "why write apex in the title if you'll play valorant").
of course people watch him because he's interesting but there's more than just one factor. there's lots of interesting chuubas who have very little views and could only dream of numbers like his.

>>3861775
Apexautists aren't people, anon

>>3854755
How can a rabbit get so many views playing fucking dragon quest. She's too powerful

>>3861598
>Pekora
>Collab with a male
KEK! This will never happen.

>>3861598
>Gura
>Collab with a male
KEK! This will never happen.

>>3862098
The only male she'll ever collab with is me

>>3860405
>biggest male jptuber
But HAL hasn't been brought up once in this thread. Why randomly mention him like that?

Kuzuha has 1 day of solid performance after 2 months of solidly declining numbers and the Nijikeks are already acting obnoxious as fuck, lol. It even took a collab, a tournament, and a shill stream to do it but they don't care.

>>3861910
Gura does everything in her power to lower engagement

>>3862187
shibuhal doesn't make it to these lists as often as him. toya gets big enough numbers but he doesn't stream that much compared to kzh.
well, it doesn't matter in the end because those people don't know any other male chuuba anyway. they don't even actually know zuha they just use him to falseflag.

>>3861577
>male chuubas
Not even once

>>3862340
>Toya
I think you mean Towa and that isn't fair. I know she sounds like a dude but she isn't one, I promise!

If a pro-gamer became a V-tuber just for extra viewers (providing it worked), is that a real VTuber? What if a VTuber gets by entirely on game-skill, should they be included in numbers? Obviously the idol-stuff is personality-focused, cuteness, etc.

>>3862391
anon if the dudes you meet irl sound like towa i think you're just gay

>>3862398
You just literally described HAL

>>3862452
Im trying to determine if they should be considered as competing with each other if they are a different thing entirely.

>>3862398
The only criteria for a vtuber to be charted is to have the channel start from zero as a VTuber account. It doesn't matter if the person is famous or not.

>>3862398
Chuubas have a character, even if that character is shallow and somewhat forgotten after a few months. If pro gamer was just using an anime avatar that wouldn't count. If they redebuted as a mystical tiger man from the orient and kept up the bit (even if everybody knew it was him.) then they'd qualify.

>>3860713
People will or will not tune into a stream based on games. There are channels and streamers I enjoy a lot but I won't stop by them if they're playing a game I can't give a shit about. A lot of people feel the same, being variety streamer means your views will fluctuate on game. Just look at vod views of Village compared to all her Luigi's Mansion or Super Metroid vods. You can see what her audience likes.

Here are the actual numbers for today, please ignore the retarded OP

>>3862502
>famous or not.
I wasn’t mentioning famous, but rather if a personality streamer who is graded on cuteness, voice, singing, etc, should be considered as competing with a pro-gamer who gets by entirely in game performance. Is it really the same thing?

>>3861249
>That’s not the point. The streamer should still be blamed for their own performance, regardless of the game (buff or not), and even no game at all. Otherwise it’s endless excuses.
That’s stupid. There could be more than one reason why people might now watch a streamer play a certain game. Sure the streamer might be entertaining and you may like them but to see that first the person watching must click the said video. The reason could be that, like RE8, that people don’t want to watch it cause they hope to play the game themselves to avoid spoilers. Gura was streaming Re8 but I did not watch her, nor anyone else, because I knew I was going to buy the game and knowing the type of game it was being story driven in a way, I avoided it. No amount of entertainment or effort by the streamer would matter if the viewer does not want to engage. Also, you have to take into consideration the time the streamer does. Mori, her time, she tend to stream at really late night or mornings close to early or afternoon which people might not be able to make due to sleep schedule. Kiara was the same before during her Japanese time, where she was getting lower views because it was toward Japanese time rather than EOP so of course her viewer numbers were lower unless she was specifically catering to the JOPs.
I won’t deny it is the duty of the streamer to be entertaining whatever the game is, but there are factors that just doesn’t mesh regardless. You can be the funniest and most entertaining man on the planet but if nobody has time for you it won’t matter your skills.

Also, buffs and debuffs are a very real thing. Certain games that just came out will of course catch people’s attention more if they’re interested and old games that no one cares or know about anymore will be, surprise, make it so no one cares since before clicking on the video the first thing you see is the title name and thumbnail that will swim around in your mind of should I or should I not watch this, and the second is who you’ll be watching it from.

>>3861249
>regardless of the game (buff or not), and even no game at all
It's like denying that 3D debuts get higher views.

A chuuba generally has a dedicated base that will watch them no matter what they are doing. Where the buff game buff comes in is when the more casual fans decide to check out a chuuba they don't normally watch. A good example is that I absolutely never watch Okayu but I tuned into her recent Dragon Quest IV streams because I'm a big Dragon Quest fan and wanted to see how she played it.

>>3862663
>don’t blame the streamer if the game sucks, and don’t credit the streamer if the game is good.
Anon…
>>3862736
>It's like denying that 3D debuts get higher views
Nope, it is crediting the new design/streamer look, or interest in it, rather then making an excuse for the higher views, or turning it somehow into a negative.

>>3862632
A VTuber is just a medium and what they do as a VTuber is irrelevant. There is no grade, only viewership. You can't beat numbers because they are an expression of interest.

Comics are comics, it doesn't matter if they're called manga, manwha or manhua or whatever. What genres it encompasses or the content that they share is irrelevant. Ultimately it is the numbers that rule above all.

>>3862911
Its more of a half and half. Sometimes even when a game is shit, a good streamer can still make it fun and when a game is good a shit streamer can still be shit and vice versa but those aren’t the only reason for high or lower views and buffs and debuffs.
Timing, engagement, spoilers, thumbnails and titles, etc, etc. i’m just saying that it all falling on the streamer is kindof a narrow view. Although yea, it would be their fault id no one want to watch since if said game was a game that, well, no one want to watch and they chose it but we’re arguing semantics.

>>3862911
>rather then making an excuse for the higher views
But 3D is an excuse for higher views. Otherwise you are implying that debut viewcounts are normal and the vtuber is to blame for not being able to keep that number consistently.

VOD numbers for last week
https://panora.tokyo/archives/25711

>>3863072
>what they do as a VTuber is irrelevant.
I’m suggesting that it’s not irrelevant. That it’s not just an image presented. That so much else is different, that it cannot be viewed as entirely competing with each other.

>>3862577
Oh? I'm surprised that Botan actually made it there

>>3863193
That's not how ratings work anon. At most, you are separated by time slot and that's it. That's how this operates, except on a 24-hour time scale.

>>3863234
Botan does well for viewers, and horse pussy is still a buff because Japan is insane. Towa is definitely the most surprising member of the list

>>3854755
I feel bad for Kuzuha for having to carry all of Nijisanji by himself.

>>3862632
They're both vtubers but their fanbase are probably different. We're comparing Hololive with mansanji right now so why can't idol vtubers and pro-gamer vtubers compete against eachother?

>>3863176
>Otherwise you are implying that debut viewcounts are normal and the vtuber is to blame for not being able to keep that number consistently.
No, rather I’m saying that the debut views are not somehow discredited because they are a debut.

>>3862281
and opposite happens

>>3862577
still no chicken

>>3863273
I wasn’t talking about ratings when I said: “That so much else is different, that it cannot be viewed as entirely competing with each other.”

>>3863362
>why can't idol vtubers and pro-gamer vtubers compete against eachother?
My point was whether they actually are competing. You see?

>>3863366
Views from buff/debuff games aren't either. It's just a notion that needs to be kept in mind.

How the fuck does Kazuha get so many views? Bots?

>>3863442
Like I said from the beginning: It doesn't matter. What is being observed is VTubing as a whole, not the individual categories therein.

These are VTubers by the very definition of the format in which they operate (a person represented by an animated object pretty much mapped to their motions). If a VTuber decides that he wants to be a magical girl babiniku singing and dancing or be the MLG of virtual entertainers does not factor in the grand scheme of the industry. That they think of each others as friends, rivals, enemies or non-entities does not matter. The only relevant thing in Vtubing is whether they're following the format from the beginning and that they're entertaining (quantified by numbers). If you take away the VTuber, you get a live streamer and within the greater live stream community they would be included. If you take away the livestream, they'd be part of the greater video streaming community... ad infinitum.

The various categories that you wish to ad or remove to differentiate the various individual VTubers from each other are irrelevant filters because all it does is obfuscate an already small subset of the greater video streaming community that also happens to include all of the individual categories of VTubers into them along with the non-VTuber counterparts. But even that doesn't matter when pretty much 90% of the community format follows the variety streamer model anyway.

>>3861508
Not when gura keeps dropping views when playing multiple playthrough, biohazard 8 and funk proves to be a buff to ENs numbers

>>3863234
She averages more than the 4 en

These threads were always bad but now every other post just reeks of underage /v/fags

>>3864159
>It doesn't matter
If the audiences are different as was stated (because so much else is different besides the image), then they aren’t truly competing in the way you may think, whether or not you say that “matters” is a different story.

>>3867786
All that you guys are doing is the equivalent of trying to play a game with completely different rules. Whether they are directly competing with each other isn't a question in the numbers game. Or do you think that the various prime time shows in TV/cable directly compete with each other? (hint: they aren't) What's being gauged is the ability of the VTubers to market themselves by drawing interest from whatever crowd happens to give them attention. From time to time, we have VTubers like Gura who serve as a barometer for how large the market potentially is for VTubers, and regularly we get people like Kuzuha and Pekora who tell us what is the current level of interest in the market.

Again, what's being gauged is the VTuber industry as a whole, not the individual segments that may also be attached to said market.

What site is this?

>>3869295
https://vnuma.net/trend/

>>3869348
Thanks fren

pointless and non-tribalistic numberfagging
this is the daily average of tweets for every hololive member

Shirakami Fubuki: 77
Natsuiro Matsuri: 38
Kureiji Ollie: 37
Roboco: 35
Aki Rosenthal: 33
Yukihana Lamy: 33
Sakura Miko: 28
Shiranui Flare: 27
Tsunomaki Watame: 27
Airani Iofifteen: 25
Houshou Marine: 24
Shishiro Botan: 22
Yuzuki Choco: 22
Uruha Rushia: 21
Inugami korone: 20
Takanashi Kiara: 20
Moona Hoshinova: 19
Ayunda Risu: 18
Kiryu Coco: 18
Aname Kanata: 17
Oozora Subaru: 17
Tokino Sora: 17
Akai Haato: 16
Nekomata Okayu: 16
Omaru Polka: 16
Yozora Mel: 16
Tokoyami Towa: 15
AZKi: 14
Minato Aqua: 14
Murasaki Shion: 14
Usada Pekora: 14
Shirogane Noel: 14
Anya Melfissa: 13
Ookami Mio: 13
Momosuzu Nene: 13
Pavolia Reine: 13
Nakiri Ayame: 12
Hoshimachi Suisei: 11
Calliope Mori: 9
Himemori Luna: 9
Amelia Watson: 8
Ninomae Ina’nis: 6
Gawr Gura: 5

>>3869809
Friend....

>>3869809
Fubuki??

I am not a gamer and I still watch them.

>>3869809
>>3869855
>>3869953
She tweets a lot about otaku stuff that she's excited about. She also responds to people who doesn't even tag her. She did this thing during the singing drawing stream collab hosted by Miko. She drew along with them posting it on Twitter. She's quite fun.

>>3869112
>Whether they are directly competing with each other isn't a question in the numbers game
If a girl doesn’t watch sports, then football and her favorite boy band aren’t directly competing for her view, regardless of the resulting numbers, which is the point I’m making.

>>3869809
I’m actually proud of Gura here.

>>3871839
Her laziness legitimately makes me angry. Back then I was mad because she didn't capitalize on her popularity and she's still not making any original content. Oh well glad the bitch is reclining now, she deserves it

>>3869809
>ollie isnt #1
I call bullshit on this.The fuck is fubuki tweeting?

>>3871971
You're taking the anime women too seriously m8. Have you considered killing yourself?

>>3869809
>>3871839
>>3871971

>>3871971
She is lazy, but oddly she still ends up the best Holo EN to me. It is, what it is.

>>3871731
>>3871731
Again, this is inconsequential to VTuber numbers because what's being gagued is VTubers as a market, not the content which they provide (which is heavily varied as it is, with few specializing in specific things).

So is Kiara on the list now?

>>3872344
About think she likes, she also quote responses for her tweets and respond to them, she is quite active

>>3861812
>>3794849

>>3873915
25k views right now, she's gonna be on the billboard tomorrow.

>>3869809
Based Trinity

>>3871971
>glad the bitch is reclining now
it's the opposite tho

Here's a special number...

31k. Jezus this is amazing.

OH NO NO NO

>>3869809
These numbers include retweets, right? They seem way too inflated.

>>3881983
yes

>4/5 HoloEN are in the top 10

>>3873792
>inconsequential to VTuber numbers
I was talking about who is actually competing for views, but it’s still going over your head. You’re probably arguing, for argument sake. A personality streamer who is graded on cuteness, voice, singing, etc, may not be competing with a pro-gamer who gets by entirely in game performance, because the audiences can prefer different things. If that means you bright up numbers again, then you’re beyond confused as to what I’m saying.

>>3882588
>Kiara at the top
That certainly surprised me. Good for her.
>4/5 HoloEN are in the top 10
They’re just flexing at Niji EN at this point
>Ui-mama in
Also based.

>>3885895
All 3 of the NijiEN overlapped, at this point they’re just competing for the same audience amongst themselves.

>>3885115
Are you >>3862398? Because I have been telling you the same thing from the start: Websites like VNUMA are only gaguing the overall market for VTubers and it doesn't matter what content there is (which incidentally is mostly the same type of content), and that there's already categories in the greater streaming market that cover the specialties of the particular VTubers where they'd be included in (ESports VTubers would be in the ESports streaming charts, idols in the entertainment charts, etc, etc). I keep saying it's irrelevant and inconsequential because that has no bearing on whether or not you're a VTuber.

>>3886445
>Are you…
Yes, but that point was long over and simply meant to make people consider what it means to them, particularly in regard to how people compare the numbers of streamers with each other, when one streamer may not remotely be related to the content they watch (female idol vs make pro-gamer). Similar in how many would not think a pro-gamer becoming a VTuber, is actually the same thing as a personality idol (not referring to the label VTuber). But I think you are caught up on labels, when I was discussing how those labels can be used or changed. Then I went on to discuss how they’re not actually competing for the SAME viewers, because they’ve too different in content. But you kept bringing up numbers, and it becomes pointless to what I was discussing. Either way, I done.

>>3882588
Ui at #9, holy based

>>3888353
Gura is really milking Resident Evil. How is the buff that big for her?

>>3888510
25k peak

>>3888510
Her popularity is beg enough in the first place. That and she's the first one to have en subtitles in her peers so the any EOPs can finally follow the story from a vtuber they can understand.

>>3888353
What happened? Gura's previous stream was 2nd place, now it's 6th place.

Why did Vnuma change her numbers from 30k to 24k

>>3891414
It’s a different stream. And her current stream dropped down to 2k views (from 25k) just before she had quit, as YouTube was having tech difficulties.

>>3891414
Oh wait… I think I see your point now. Dunno.

Probably just an error, because this pic shows the correct viewers.

>>3892013
What is this? I have seen Gura's outfit reveal with a higher number around 194k.

>>3891414
Vnuma is abit fucky when a stream overlaps a 24 hour mark.

>>3888510
>Gura milking Resident Evil
Come on man, plenty of vtubers are playing that game. Yet when Gura plays it she is leeching and milking. Go fuck yourself.

Based @SleepMonster getting on the chart

>>3894427
Vnuma collects views in intervals of five minutes and gura got like 20k views in two minutes so it got missed

>>3854755
>People happy that Kuzuha beats Pekora
Kuzuha 29k+
Pekora 29k- AND 26k
Ayyylimao retards 45>29

>>3894609
he's just coping chimpken fag

>>3888353
lmao Kiara leeching Fubuki's idea

>>3898898
>one falseflagger
>people

>>3854755
PATRA ASMR!!!!!

>>3882588
T-Twapi, what are you doing there on the top??

>>3900031
She finally managed to appeal to nips. All it took was changing her voice

>>3900150
but she didnt change her voice

>>3900228
I wish she didn't change her voice. This old clip really tells it all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06MyQZMGQFc

>>3894935
ASMR is nice

>>3859012
its also a collab you cock sucker

>>3859483
its a collab dick licker

Someone grab the numbers

from VNUMA

>>3909135
Nijibros...

>>3909135
fucking HoloJPs made sure to put Kiara back at her place, kek

>>3909135
Holos rule nijis drool

>>3909135
>>3909244
Noooooooooo it was supposed to be Kiara time at the top of hololive. Fuck those jphags

>>3909244
>put Kiara back at her place, kek
Actually 31k is amazing for Kiara. “Back in her place” would be like 9k viewers or something.

>>3909135
nijibros...

>>3909135
Ironmouse is inclining!

>>3909785
>“Back in her place” would be like 9k viewers or something
Isn't her average viewers even lower than that ?

>>3910726
_ yes _

>>3909785
Her average are 3k, 6k at best.

>>3909135
top 25, nice. That's how you do it, no top 22.

>>3916027
top 25 is for faggots; 24 hits the right spot

>>3909135
Thank you for the blessed collab Shion

>>3909135
Its funny that when kuzuha not stream the list is longer than normal. Have to show some nijisanji on it i guess.

>>3919911
Kuzuha is on the list though, he just barely had 11k viewers.

>>3920040
Yesterday he had 29k or something. Why it drop so bad?

>>3920040
Shit, I didnt notice. Always expected him higher up.
>>3923227
Maybe Valorant is the Apex for nips

>>3923227
Playing with twitch gamers. I'd rather watch him alone, or with other livers. It's just way too loud. He also doesn't read comments during collabs. I'm sure others feel the same since his solo Valo stream 2 days ago was comfortably at 17-18K.

>>3919911
>implying
I've only uploaded a couple of these VNUMA lists and all of them have included the top 25.

>>3910167
What was mousey’s content? Connor?

>>3925559
Yeah

So what's the veredict?

gura is so fucking boring

>>3927362
Gura is a shit player. Peko took 9 hours and 2 streams to finish the game Gura 11 hours

>>3927362
What do you mean?
>>3927365
Is that a cope? Because of the timing and thread posted in.
>>3927572
>Gura is bad at games
Obviously, people don’t watch her for pro-gamer appeal.

>>3927362
Pekora is funny and fun. Gura is cute and fun. Both playthroughs are fun to watch

>>3859734
she's gonna do commentary for an apex tournament with towa

>>3854755
gura was higher then this... 34k at least at one point.

>>3927362
what website is this

>>3928368
VNUMA

Seriously, you guys need to learn to read the damn threads and lurk for a million years.

>>3927572
Gura had to stop yesterday because youtube died, so it would've been 3 streams and about 10 hours

>>3928414
Because faggots like you can't stop spoonfeeding

>>3927299
I have flashbacks of Hana's 'dad' again. People tuned in to watch the guest and not the streamer. I have to admit its effective. Even I tune into connor+mouse sometimes. Hope mouse can retain the numbers on her own.

>>3928677
He wasn't her dad?

>>3927362
Resident evil is a hige buff to en

>>3928747
I mean, allegedly

>>3928747
It's a rrat. A small one but persistent and has enough arguments to make you think

>>3928967
About time for them to consider playing better games than the stuffs they played in March and April.

>>3927187
It's interesting how Kanata is very consistent in getting high placement these days and hardly anyone talks about it. Good for her.

>>3854755
daily reminder that live viewers do not mean shit

>>3854755
Another day of Gura mogging everyone? Not surprised

>>3930710
Yeah by spamming resident evil hat got mori 20k, 10k above her average

>>3930933
So?

>>3927572
I took 13 hrs on my first playthrough, doesn’t mean shit.

HOW CAN NIJIS EVEN COMPETE

>>3927362
Uhhh... nutsackis????

>>3940295
So this is the power of reddit shilling...

Isn't VOD views the only metric that really matters as far as popularity? Live viewers are just a subset of the VOD views.

>>3943446
Hahahahahaha
No.

>>3930710
Don't you mean of being mogged?

>>3943507
Your reasoning then?

>>3943562
>"Dude, trust me."

>Marine at 40k
What's up with that?

>>3944297
It's her return stream after coming back from a break and also it's a horror game stream, that always gets great views

>>3944297
She was off sick for a week or so. Also if you post the numbers at least wait until yesterday's streams aren't on the chart anymore please

>>3944435
I'm posting these close to 24 hours apart from each other. My previous one was almost 22 hours ago.

>>3943562
Weird how VOD views just started to matter when Gura started to lose in live viewers.
And how they don't matter when she has good numbers, I wonder why.

>>3944297
>2 Nijis in top 5

Based, Nijichads inclining!

>>3943446
Live viewers is just the poorer and bugged version of Vod views, we just use it because nobody will bother to do daily calculations

>>3944297
My god, Nijisanji really has become Mansanji haven't they? Either way, they still got wrecked by Hololive so I'm satisfied.

>>3944773
Mayuzumi stopped existing on stream have some respect anon.

>>3944297
Our captain is back at her throne

>>3944297
Crazy how many viewers Bahroo has

>>3943446
Yes

Live viewers is largely a meaningless stat since VOD views is much more important for how your video trends in the Youtube algorithm and how much ad revenue you get. It's just that Live viewers is a lot easier to track since there is a definite peak/average while VOD views could theoretically continue to grow forever.

>>3944786
Weird cope but ogey.

>>3944297
i love you yashiro

>>3944878
Next week vnuma is gonna start counting Codemiko, Pokimane and PewDiePie as vtubers as well

>>3944951
i mean they're already counting nyanners

>>3944664
Lol well I guess it's hard to come to a consensus in an anonymous site full of people being disingenuous.

Despite that, VOD views seem like the best metric. Average VOD views over time can tell you more than max live viewers (not as stable due to spikes caused by events).

>>3944664
>Weird how VOD views just started to matter when Gura started to lose in live viewers
Well Gura’s live viewers have been up lately. Also I’m not sure how VOD views wouldn't matter, since it’s the amount if people watching. The only difference would be that some where able to catch it live, and some were not able.

Why are people so stupid? What I mean is OBVIOUSLY THEY BOTH MATTER. VOD views are views, and live views are views. Both are VIEWS.

>>3945078
eh Id still give all the vshojos a pass, they do at least the bare minimum to be considered vtubers

>>3944951
>PewDiePie will be accepted as a VTuber
I wish we can come up with another term as a subset of VTubing, to separate people like Pewdiepie who are obviously not the same thing. It would be weird to add Pewdiepie to the numbers, since none of us care right? Do we consider him the same thing? I don’t. I think in the future almost everyone at some point will be labeled a VTuber, as it’s the future.

>>3944664
It always matters.
Only nutsackis parrot that stupid claim.

>>3944951
Are they? Do they use their VTuber models a non-trivial amount of time at all?

>>3945078
I can understand Nyanners given that she has pretty much stopped facecam AFAIK.

>>3944664
nothing strange, we are talking about cuckbuds after all

>>3945453
Then Bahroo should be fine by that logic too, since he has never streamed with cam ever. That would make him more of a vtuber than Nyanners actually.

>>3854755
Did Gura's massive costume reveal stream recalibrate the "bug" or something? Because she's pretty much constantly been getting way more live viewers while the total views haven't changed much.

>>3945545
>Did Gura's massive costume reveal stream recalibrate the "bug" or something?
No, it’s because she has a lot of subscribers, and some came back for the outfit reveal, then stayed because their interest was renewed. The question is whether or not she can maintain them.

>>3945545
lets see what happens when she plays some shit like metroid again

>>3860262
Being popular in one timezone is better for your live viewer count than being popular worldwide.

>>3944905
t. Chumkek cope

We all know Gura viewbots, which explains her absurd VOD numbers

That's why people here in the number fagging thread have generally accepted Live Viewers as the only acceptable metric - because Gura is a lazy, cheating scum that buys viewbots and sub bots

>>3945752
> imagine being this person who's constantly coping to the point of being delusional.

Here are some numbers

>>3945605
But wouldn't that cause the total viewers to increase too?

>3945812
Imagine this being much of a newfag that can't do his reps

You don't even deserve a (You)

>>3945752
can you at least make your bait a little more convincing

>>3945812
stop replying to obvious bait

>>3945722
if she streamed in earlier times like Ina that wouldnt be much of a problem, but yh, since gura likes to start her streams relatively late, making it unwatchable (live) for euros and late for people in the east americas who need to sleep early, I agree.

>>3945752

>>3945752
>viewbots
YouTube nerfed VTuber views by their anti-viewbot AI. Gura and others was already hit hard by it.
>That's why people here in the number fagging thread have generally accepted Live Viewers as the only acceptable metric
To support Gura? In that case, Gura also has high VOD views, so you point makes no sense. In that case low VOD views with high live views, would be a better metric for finding live viewer bots.

>>3945890
I'm bored

>>3945820
>Pekora consistently high high live viewers
>Gura somehow has higher live average viewers
WTF?! I didn't even notice that before. Just what does Pekora do that she somehow kills her viewership in between streams?

Another one

>>3946248
Comparing their highest viewers was more surprising because of the giant gap.

>>3946248
Pekora has become a mascot of hololive by this point so she actually has a lot of randos who come and go.

>>3945820
Didn't the pekomama stream get 126k peak viewers? Why is Peko's max listed as 66k?

>>3946382
>Pekora has become a mascot of hololive by this point so she actually has a lot of randos who come and go
But that’s also the criticism of Gura.

>>3946414
It's only the last 15 streams.

>>3946414
that playboard source only counts something like the last two weeks or so for their averages

>>3946431
I forgot to mention her but that's true.

>>3946248
Because it's only the average of the last 15 streams and Gura has 1 of them with almost 200k viewers.

>>3861383
fujo

>>3945820
I will post this again after Gura´s outfit buff is out

>>3946414
All those "i" buttons tell you their methodology for the particular stat.

>average video views count the last 30 videos
>average views/subscriber count videos up to 90 days
>viewer feedback counts the last 30 videos, the three other info buttons compare the stat with similar channels
>live streaming stats for highest viewrs and average viewers count the last 15 videos

For the last 15 streams, Gura has been performing very well across all numbers.

>>3946623
That depends on how they calculate the number. If they use a mean average, then you may be right. If they use a median average, then that stream is factored out.

>>3946623
The live views (in pic) skips Gura’s outfit reveal stream, and she is still doing fine.

Remember to be civilized and unbiased, anons.

>>3946248
Playboard just tracks their last 14 streams and for the last 2 weeks Gura has been out performing Pekora by quite a bit. Also, It's not just her average being boosted by the 194k costume stream. She has consistently been finishing ahead of Pekora on the daily chart in general these last 2 weeks.

>>3946623
Gura has finished ahead of Pekora most days since the costume reveal. It's not just the costume reveal. Face it, Gura is inclining right now.

>>3947460
And she is going to incline even more when she's near 3M... holy scary shark

>>3947528
We don’t know. She obviously makes a big mistake when she hides her karaoke streams behind a membership, since it cannot bring in or maintain a viewership. And she was hurt the most when she didn’t have variety to her streams about a month or more ago. It’s possible she goes back to her old stuff of 11 games (like metroid) in a row and no public karaoke.

>>3947664
What I meant is that fans will go chimp mode and do any mean necessary (promoting, spamming accounts) to get her to 3M as fast as possible.

>>3947664
You make some good points.

She's probably not streaming for the sake of the numbers that we care about, so there's no guarantee that she'll go out of her way to make content that generates high numbers.

With the 3 million subs celebration, surpassing Kizuna Ai subs, and birthday stream coming up, I'd say that we are in for some good numbers though.

>>3947664
Those streams make money by attracting members though, so they might not get massive views but they definitely help the bottom line.

>>3947528
She'll reach 3M before EN2's debut...

>>3948177
At her current rate, eight weeks.

>>3948177
I wonder if it will ever hit her that she more or less did a speed run to top chuuba by the time she gets to celebrate her first anniversary.

>>3948177
I wonder if Kizuna Ai will congratulate her when Gura hits 3 million

>>3947952
In a recent collab with Ame she couldn't admit to being the 2nd most subscribed vtuber, she just froze and Ame had to say it was her.

>>3949681
Got the stream and timestamp?

>>3951069
https://youtu.be/oRMh4sP4J4s?t=6495

>>3951069
Fish tank podcast on ame's channel. Nearing the end, at the start of the second debate.

>>3948177
I just realized she is going to hit 3 million before any other Holo hits 2 million. My god.

gura is boring as fuck.

>>3951398
Thank you anon

>>3949681
That is because she wasn't sure if she should count the Orange as a vtuber.

>>3947460
meds right now

Why Matsuri had more Vod views last month than Gura according to Holostats?
I get the other two above her but not Matsuri.

>>3947460
>>3947483
maybe next time double check before talking nonsense, here is a comparison of both of their streams after Gura´s new outfit

>>3953569
Can you provide a screencap of this? Maybe point it to an archive if at all possible. Anyways, one of the more likely scenarios usually involve VODs becoming public again. It's either that or events.