/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

GFE is for losers

I thought GFE was a term for escorts (whores) who will pretend to be your girlfriend. Does this mean that GFE chuubas are also whores?

>>3691513

>>3691606
pretty much

>>3691606
No, because it's a collective experience. We are treated as one entity. If it was for each of us as individuals, then yes.

>>3691677
Anon.............

>>3691467
Which one doesnt

>>3691703
It's true. We're all treated as some sort of weird schizo boyfriend. That's why we're referred to as "chat".

>>3691804
Male chuubas

>>3691833
Are there gigolo VTubers that appeal to lonely fujos?

>>3691467
She keeps reading my super chats bro. She keeps praising me.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I don't want the GFE I just want the FE. God I'm so alone
Just joking hahaha it's not serious at all haha

Avoiding collabing with males just because of stupid GFE is one of the biggest shames in Vtuber, especially HoloEN. I thought we can do better than nips idol shit.

>>3691858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSWFfiYKIAY I don't think it's what you asked but masaru is a cutie

>>3691467
what does vtubers do to be considered GFE or not?

>>3691889
Anon this is a cry for help am I right?

>>3691889
what's your problem anon, I'm here for you

If I could pay a whore to actually emotionly fall for her own GFE and become dependent on my presence for its own sake, independently of the money I provide, I would go see that whore and wouldn't feel guilty or ashamed about it at all and essentially treat it as a real relationship

So the "whore" line doesn't really work to dissuade me. All it means is that I found love in my own way, through exploitation of long term manipulative mental conditioning and severe mental illness. But love is love, and a relationship is a relationship. And being in a relationship means you are a better person in terms of the objective moral standards of the essence of the universe and no longer have to tell yourself that loving yourself is enough.
I chooze GFE. I choose Rushia. I choose external validation of my actions over self-respect and acceptance of a fundamentally subjective universe.

There is a god, her opinion is the basis for the principles of "wrong" and "right", and her name is Rushia. I am justified in my existence through her approval, and those not approved by her are invalid.

>>3693946
>And being in a relationship means you are a better person in terms of the objective moral standards of the essence of the universe and no longer have to tell yourself that loving yourself is enough.
You are genuinely mentally ill.

can anyone here define GFE? why does certain chuba being considered GFE while other not? what did they do different from each other?

>>3693946
Based schizo.

>>3694048
Some tell people it's okay to think of them as a girlfriend, like Aqua and Okuya. Miko has told people that they don't need one as long as they have Miko.

>>3693946
>>3694219
so why does rushia being considered the best at this? what kind of GFE rushia provide that the other chubas don't, like what did she do differently?

>>3694309
Yandere

>>3694048
basically a chuuba that acts more intimate to her viewer, compared to her colleague/genmates.
Some just have higher GFE level than the others, for example rushia, i'd say her gfe is 8.5/10 then there's iofi who's sometimes do gfe but she's also a big time fujoshi that worship handsome faggot cocks, i'd say 3/10.

>>3694048
any sort of romantic roleplay and flirting with chat

>>3694391
who do you consider 10/10 GFE?

>>3694309
It depends how often they do it really. Many of them will say something teasing but some do it costantly.

I hear Flare does it to her members but I don't member her so I don't know. Maybe anti posting but I doubt she has antis

Does giving masturbation privileges count as GFE? Matsuri, Luna, Okayu, Flare, and Kanatan have all done it.

Did someone say GFE? A Polka membership is damn fine value when you think about the time and money one would need to invest to get even half of this love elsewhere.

>>3694037
Complete autonomy is mental illness
Interdependence and codependency are the building blocks of mankind.
Acceptance of the necessity to acclimate your thoughts, behaviors, and actions to somebody other than yourself is what being human is.

Stop denying yourself the capacity for you to reach a moral failure state. Who you are to the world is not up for you to decide, only influence.
You owe the world your acquiescence to an autonomy separate from your own, because you were given and implicitly accepted that as the cost for your existence when you were born through your birth, much in the way of Original Sin.

Why does /vt/ attract so many schizos

>>3694611
Not necessarily if she's just whoring herself out randomly. You have to understand it's about mood and intimacy more than anything else.

>>3694519
The first chuuba who lets her virginity be taken during a fan train offpako will be crowned GFE queen in my book.

this thread is very enlightening, im trying to write research paper on parasocial relationship and its effect on human's mind. all i need now is for some schizo to write a step by step guide how to do GFE properly

>>3695028
>need a schizo
I'm your guy, a completely self-aware schizo because of ridiculously effective compartmentalization and abstraction. What do you want to know?

>>3695028
you need to interview the chuubas, not the skitzo

>>3695464
write a guide of what you like so i can make one

>>3695608
How serious are you?

>>3695782
9/10
i love GFE and just recently debuted as a chuuba and wanna do some.

>>3691606
In some ways we are all whores to out own experiences.

>>3695464
>>3695486
i just need them to argue with each other on anonymous website and fully express themselves like this guy >>3693946 without any fear of social repercussion. also my sister want to start vtubing so i though i might be able to teach her few tips to bait out superchats.

>>3695028
Don't copy my ideas you little bitch, get your own social issues to write about. Bitch.

>>3691467
I'm here to make the case that Ame provides the most subtle GFE for her members

>Random "Hi" posts, feel like a text
>Look at this random thing I bought I am so happy I bought it
>Look at this funny video I found
>I can't sleep posts

>>3693946
Based but meds.

>>3691804
Suisei? She likes to bait people and later destroy their spectations but she'll never do it

>>3694037
I think he isn't wrong in the fact that having a person of the opposite sex love you both physically and mentally is some kind of objective achievement. Especially nowadays when less and less men are able to do so.

>>3691677
is there any gfe chuuba that refer to her viewers/chat as singular (you) instead of plural you guys/hey chat?
i know some asmr often do this, but regular gfetuber?

>>3691804
Miko, Flare, Okayu, Pekora, Korone, Mio, FBK, Matsuri, Shion, Ayame, Aqua, Choco, Mel, Marine, Botan, Towa, Luna to name a few.

>>3694649
That bitch is 100% menhera, she needs a psychiatrist. Or maybe she should just marry one of her gosling gachikois, they be happy together.

>>3696797
Asmrtist because they pretend to talk to a singular person in their videos, when they stream, which isn't often they still you guys and stufd like that.

>GFE thread
>no video link
i still don't understand the essence of GFE
is it chuuba pretending to care about you?

>>3693413
En doesn’t do gfe stuff. They just haven’t had a lot of collabs in general

>>3697013
Kinda sorta. Rushia does it really well since she tapped yandere fetish.
Kiara claims to do it but I didn't see shit
Choco probably? No idea what she says during ASMR

>>3694741
Anon this is 4chan what did you expect

>>3697123
>En doesn’t do gfe stuff
Ame is leading gachikois by the nose. If she leaned in as hard as Rushia this place will be even more unbrowsable.

>>3697013
Very few actually do it, people pretend shit like Ame being sweet counts but that's still not full on GFE. I don't think i ever seen a chubba go full GFE. Actual GFE is stuff like this

https://youtu.be/GcpF5LBX4d4
https://youtu.be/jHnXMbtybcs

>>3697211
If anyone's going to go full Rushia, it's gonna be Kiara. She's trying so hard already

>>3697244
Didn't Uto do an ASMR like that?

>>3697013
something like this maybe
https://youtu.be/wgA0FJGiYrQ
https://youtu.be/G4-8snH9Bgw
this thread is great if you're a chuba and you want to learn how to do GFE, if the thread are popular enough maybe it can become persistent thread just like chuba-specific thread on 4chan right now.

>>3697127
Kiara is just playfull but nowhere near actual GFE.

>>3695953
Interesting, unfortunately by posting here there is a chance that you are too grounded/too committed to staying grounded mentally for my advice to be helpful to you. It requires sacrificing some stuff few EN chuuba would be willing to, while keeping yourself (physically) safe.

Unironically, I can't think of a better way to tl;dr this other than "my potions are too strong for you, traveller"
I will go ahead and post if you ask me to after this, but there will be a lot of tips that seem absolutely unreasonable from a grounded, western perspective, for an "entertainer".

>>3697347
Funny, considering she pitched GFE on her debut

>>3697430
onegaishimasu
I'm willing to take it as far as i need to!

>>3697430
I'm not the anon you were replying to but I would still be greatly interested in seeing that list of tips.

>>3697604
Kiara says a lot of things

>>3691677
this is some impressive cope, anon

>>3697430
im interested in learning the way of GFE too, this is very fascinating topic to me

>>3697929
Like Nigga

>>3697670
>>3697839
>>3698071
Interesting. Alright, check back on this thread in like 2 hours. I'm at the gym and have been phone posting, but to do this I need to be properly at my desk

>>3698286
Sure. I'm going live in 45 anyway.

>>3698286
Good luck with your gym reps, see you in a bit.

>>3698363
I unironically checked my sub box to see if you're a chooba I watch

>>3698363
anonchama why you do this, now i know who you are...

>>3696799
All wrong

>>3698458
am i, anon kun? why not?

>>3698532
I feel so left out lol

>>3698532
oh yeah who am i

>>3698639
Share with the class I want shit to alt-tab to while Ame fucks around with gators

>>3698716
nayrt
Cadence Harper is live in (30 minutes now) with modded dark souls 3
https://youtu.be/rClw6v3yPDU

>>3698639
this is actually you >>3698868 ?

>>3691606
I thought GFE was a euphemism escorts used for sex, because having sex is something you do with your girlfriend

>>3698930
fuck
PLAUSABLE DENIABILITY

>>3698639
>>3698930
Post something in the stream chat

GFE is fun, most people who enjoys it knows they are living a fantasy, but living a fantasy that feels real for the meantime is enough to cure from the bullshit most people goes through in everyday life. I genuinelly don't see a problem with it, and most people criticising it bases their problems on the 0.0001% actual schizos.

Fuck GFE, I've got a daughter

>>3699015
why would she do that if she's trying to maintain plausable deniability

>>3699010
Be a based chooba and give a sign lol

>>3698603
State your reasoning.

>>3699065
Would you snitch? I wouldn't.

>>3699077
maybe

>>3699118
Cadence did just post something
hmm

>>3699032
I'm lewding your pink haired daughter and she loves it, she's my GF

>>3699179
I am the >One viewer

>>3699215
>pink
Literally who

>>3699237
ARIGATOU ANONSAMA

>>3699262
Your daughter, she's weaing a wig while I slap her ass dadanon

>>3699215
I'm gonna fucking kill you, anon

>>3699305
I said I needed something to do

>>3694677
>Complete autonomy is mental illness
>Interdependence and codependency are the building blocks of mankind.
>Acceptance of the necessity to acclimate your thoughts, behaviors, and actions to somebody other than yourself is what being human is.
>Stop denying yourself the capacity for you to reach a moral failure state. Who you are to the world is not up for you to decide, only influence.
>You owe the world your acquiescence to an autonomy separate from your own, because you were given and implicitly accepted that as the cost for your existence when you were born through your birth, much in the way of Original Sin.
That is a straight up spook. Fuck being emotionally responsible for anyone other than yourself

>>3699808
That shit sailed the second you imprinted on a parent

>>3699018
this, literally nothing wrong with it

Not doing GFE stuff won't stop schizos from treating you like GFE. Take for example Monoe, whose fans over in the VOMS general treat her graduation as if she had tearfully broken up with them, and then their shared pet dog died, and then she died, but she couldn't get to digital heaven because she made a pact with GYARI, who is part Satan, so they make memorials in the hopes that it will exorcise him.

>>3699018
>Be me
>Enjoying the fact that a cute anime girl is giving me compliments
>Some faggot might become a stalker cuz he's a shizo

We can't have nice things bros

>>3700146
People gave a shit about VOMS outside of Pikamee? Damn.

>>3700196
t. EOPnigger

>>3700230
>ESL
But weren't there like 3 of them? Hard to imagine people would gosling

>>3700284
their avatars is too cartoony, it's borderline /mlp/tier

>>3700328
There was that one (1) fan art of Pika that made me diamonds but nothing like that since

This thread is fascinating and extremely enlightening, but it also reminds me how cripplingly lonely I am

>>3691467
>Girlfriend Experience
At the end of the day you'll be reminded that this feeling you have is just temporary, you will never be with her.

>>3700389
Post it.

>>3700796
The only GFE that matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAId7IP2bR4

>>3700867
i really love her positive affirmation content.
it's such a shame that she's a fujoshi that's constantly thirsty for homopenis.

>>3700867
NO GOD WHY WHY

>>3700957
Have you reached the other side of despair?

>>3700862
pixiv proved me wrong

>>3700942
EYO THAT PIC

>>3701041
Post it anyway.

>>3701111
Can't find THAT one but I did figure out there is actual Pikamee R24

>>3691606
No of course not. They are all virgins.

>>3694309
Taste of Rushia GFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16rqMbXse9Q

>>3701484
Not sure how I feel about that. On one hand it's a pity suppa. On the other, at least she's distracting him from a break up in a funish way.

>>3691606
>I thought GFE was a term for escorts (whores) who will pretend to be your girlfriend
it is
>Does this mean that GFE chuubas are also whores
well...

>>3694048
it's about creating the illusion of intimacy, that there's a bond between streamer/viewer and that the viewer is special. there's plenty of relationships streamers can have with viewers that elicit a similar reaction: imouto experience, onee-san experience, etc.
>>3691858
it's pretty obvious that males can't provide GFE but BFE is absolutely a thing. among the Holostars you have Oga, Shien, Temma and Miyabi that all lean on it to various degrees - especially in Twitcast streams which provide a smaller and much closer experience.
there's a number of vtubers I've run across, agency and indie, that use Twitcast as sort of a alternative venue for GFE or similar streams regardless of whether they could do it as a membership stream or not. Twitcast can be used from simply their phone without a camera which allows it for other venues - rolling around in bed, in the bath, etc.

>>3699018
This is the clearpill. Contriving an analysis of GFE and parasocial relationships any further than this speaks more about (You) and (You)r complexes than it does those who partake in the activity.

>>3701887
I just want to hear the nice things from the cute anime lady. Is that too much

>>3696305
>Ame
>subtle GFE

>>3702066
I specifically said member shit

>>3699018
The problem with lies is that people will believe them. It depends on how impactful that lie will be to someone, and for a schizo that lie will turn into their whole life. Then, there's also the fact that GFE targets people who are more mentally ill cause they're losers lol. Making money of a lie that people believe crosses the line for a lot of people, most normal people will atleast find it morally questionable.

>>3702935
If someone's dumb enough to throw money at a stream because of GFE of all things they deserve no pity.

>>3703310
And yet Rushia is the most superchatted vtuber. You can't play the whole "ITS JUST A CHARACTER" thing whenever someone criticizes your actions because you lead people on to think its not a character. If its just a character and people shouldn't get too attached then why doesn't Rushia collab with males or give her viewers reality checks every now and then? Well thats because her numbers would decline because her fans don't believe its a character and I consider that extremely morally wrong. Most of these people have mental illness and just because they're desperate for affection doesn't mean they should get their money swindled. I mean you'll see people here every day telling themselves that this character is completely real and you don't feel like that is in anyway manipulative?

>>3703931
>Rushia doesn't collab with males
Not reading the rest. Reps.

>>3693413
Oh no, not the male collaberinos whatever will we do without them! :((((

>>3704189
I always found this one really funny. It really shows how little her fans actually care about kayfab and how delusional they are. This is allowed just because she's female god its fucking hilarious.

>>3704372
Most underrated and underused part of her lore. Need more collabs

>>3704372
>delusional for not caring about kayfabe
Why do people that whine about GFE constantly out themselves as mouth breathers? Yes, Rushia's fans didn't care about an obvious bit with another biologically female vtuber. If anything that indicates they're mentally sane.

I mean, she literally used to allow viewers to jokingly call her girlriend, but her vibe is more like that dorky college friend you're real close to... who you also wanna fuck. What would I call that?

>>3696799
>Towa

>>3704742
a prostitutes?

>>3704742
Friend with benefits unironically

What about the older sister experience?

>>3691606
Yes and the ones who say otherwise are cucks.

>>3704808
I do not comprehend.

>>3704867
Yeah that seems more accurate.

>>3704935
Hana was the closest I ever came to going full Gosling. I kneel to the coffee girl.

>>3704892
I’m still feeling Terumi out. Her breakdown last night makes me feel like she’s using chat for the BFE rather than the other way around

>>3704772
no wife

>>3691467
Does Coco do GFE? I want to member her and have her whisper sweet nothings into my ears.

>>3693532
This is dangerous...

>>3704977
I'm already teetering on the edge.I started practicing Indonesian so I can understand everything she says, even though she speaks English 90% of the time.

A milliion chuubas have crossed my path since I started this hobby, but always my heart goes back to Hana.

>>3705640
She's probably one of the few I'd follow if she went indie. Good god some of the sadder streams make it really hard to not saviour fag

>>3705743
I wouldn't worry about saviorfagging too much for Hana. She seems pretty happy where she's at and even though she still gets down occasionally, it always seems to be less about her numbers (she's stated many times that she prefers the smaller community she has now anyway) and more about life stuff we viewers can't really control, but of course it's always good to show our support. One of the Hana's strengths after all is her ability to bounce back whenever she gets down. It's very admirable. Perhaps it's the viewers support that so often allows her to find that strength.

She and Bon also basically get to as official mediators for viewers to get into NijiEN. For however small the English-speaking community of Nijisanji might be, that's a huge sign of respect from the staff.

>>3706081
I mean come on

Alright, so disclaimer: these are my opinions, based on my own feelings and observations. Obviously. Just like if you were a comedy vtuber, if somebody wrote a guide for being funny, it always has the implicit line of "how to be funny(according to my tastes and my perception of others tastes)". Consider every sentence to have 'IMO' at the end.

The first and most important overarching principle for GFE is authenticity. That needs to get squared away right off the bat. If you go into it in a very cynical fashion, intending to keep your role on-screen and off-screen completely independent of one another, I'm telling you now that you WILL fail. Think of the best actors in the world, especially the ones in the most compelling and authentic seeming romance scenes you've ever watched, the ones where suspension of disbelief came almost naturally. And then remember that that movie likely had bloopers. Lots and lots of bloopers, often more of them for 'intense' scenes like that, where those phenomenal, actually trained, professional actors attempted to perform that role over and over again, failing multiple times in the process, before getting it right. All for a few minutes in a film at best.
You? You'll be streaming. A continuous stream of consciousness, unpredictable interaction, with incredibly varied and complex stimuli, with no script. For hours. Likely multiple times a week. If the best actors in the world require a heavily controlled environment and multiple takes to sell a believable impression of authentic intimacy for just a few minutes, I say that anybody who thinks that a random person in a hobby doing that. Now, there'll be people here who say "Oh, but there ARE vtubers who can play a role, the entire time, while streaming!" and I'm here to tell you that those people are misinterpreting the point or are outright full of shit.
Yes, some vtubers have a solid character. And some of them stay in-character often, and sometimes always, like Luna. You know what's another common quality of those vtubers? There's an implied atmosphere of everybody being "in" on the joke that is their persona. Even for those chuuba who are nowhere near as flamboyant as Luna in terms of their characters intended persona, that aura is still quite clearly present. The idea of breaking the 4th wall is part and parcel of entertainment with those chuuba. Their inability to convince the audience that their characters persona is their actual persona, and the awareness of both the chuuba and the audience in the background to that fact becomes part of the chuubas performance.

But this doesn't work with GFE. Because true GFE can't be acknowledged on stream(and ideally, even off-stream) as an act by the audience and still remain GFE. Think about it logically, can a person truly enjoy a relationship as a relationship, even in a weird wiggly wobbly quasi sense, if they are thinking in the back of their minds "wow, they definitely are acting like they love me, but I know that they really don't give a shit about me" at all times?
It's remarkably interesting how accurate the phrase "The audience reflects their streamer" actually is, especially with regards to chuuba where personal appearance(and often, personal IRL circumstances) is taken off the board in terms of what may appeal to viewers.
Essentially, if you do GFE as an act, it will reveal itself, and reflect itself upon your audience. Look at some known non-GFE chuuba like Fubuki who occasionally engage in GFE type behaviour in their monthly ASMR streams. The chat and the attitude of her viewers don't change into gachikoi on a whim or flip of a coin just because of what she does, because they know how she really feels. She could do tons of GFE ASMR, and it wouldn't provoke an influx of gachikoi without a lot of dedicated effort(and even then, improbable) because she has already estabilished very clearly to her viewers that, from her perspective, there is a very well defined sense of distance between herself and her viewers.

>>3706625
[cont]
So what does GFE need to be authentic about? It needs to be authentic in the girls interest in her viewers, it needs to be authentic in her desire to share time with them and communicate with them, it needs to be authentic in interactions between the gachikoi and their oshi provoking a sense of closeness/intimacy/romance.
You need to want to try. You need to find some kind of satisfaction in being with them. Fostering this sense of mutual psuedo-romantic relationship takes differing amounts of effort depending on what kind of person you are and what kind of life you lead. But in essence, most people on earth are lonely in some way.
Now, I'll say it outright; GFE that is really GFE can, in 99% of cases, only work when you have a desire for a romantic partner of some sort. It doesn't have to be an active one, necessarily. But the various hang-ups that stem from our love life or lack of love life can be freely explored TO AN EXTENT in this medium. So, honestly, if you already have a partner, or have no desire for one at all, GFE for you will probably not work. Because a girlfriend is there with you because she wants to be. You wouldn't be.
Whether you use it for reciprocal intimate conversations and sharing of thoughts and feelings, or using it for the socialization you would have with your SO if you had one, or projecting an image of what you would like to have in terms of your love life. Nothing helps foster bonds faster than allowing yourself to emotionall connect to a group of people who readily accept you, want to have fun with you, and want nothing more than to love you in this moment.
Moreover, another important part of this is the sense of exclusivity. Your viewers do not want to feel like cucks. They don't want to engage with actual romantic feelings for a person who they think is getting some on the side. This is probably the one most irritating for people on this board to read. But exclusivity is important. And no, not just on stream. Relationships change how you behave, and how you percieve and react to problems. It's hard to be dependent on chat when you don't need to be.
This is codependency, and it's a powerful tool to actually generate the necessary tone for GFE in your streams. What GFE looks like for you is dependent on you; think of your first crush, and how you might've thought about you'd try to impress them or get their attention or change/mold yourself or your behaviours and tastes in order to appeal to them. Think of what the idea of romance means for you.
All of this is to power four things:
1) A genuine sense of self-investment in the fantasy you are building
2) A genuine desire to participate in that fantasy alongside your viewers
3) A positive view of yourself and your viewers and your interactions with them, and an inherent trust in their response to you that you can't really find anywhere else in life
4) Become capable of viewing this emotional connection from a romantic perspective
5) aquire some sense of 'needing' your viewers as much as they'll end up needing you. People love to feel needed. It makes them far more secure in a relationship if they feel needed and relatively irreplaceable.

The rest of GFE is honestly just normal vtubing; applying thougts, ideas, and creativity to things you do with your streams(and off-stream). It's vague because the results of that vary as much as chuubas can vary. It's important to let those 5 points guide the content, of course. Sometimes it just guides how you talk to them during a regular gaming stream. Other times, it will provoke stuff like heartbeat ASMR or watch alongs of romance and such.

>>3706650
Thank you for all the effort you put into this, anon, it was really full of insights. I love you.

>>3706925
ditto

for me it puts in perspective just how sophisticated idol culture can be, and sometimes needs to be I guess

glhf idol-tachi, gachikoi, and parasocial relationship researchers

>>3696305
Yea I noticed that too. Being a member of Ame and reading her members only posts really does come off as a girlfriend texting you every day. But like the best girlfriend EVER texting you daily. Thank god she's so charitable. Strangest relationship I've ever had with a content creator.

>>3697326
She plays it with a bit of humor. Like she straight up calls her audience perverts. Though I did see a comment in the chat saying, "So this is what having a girlfriend is like." Or something along those lines.

>>3706650
Pog

this thread need more rushia clip

>>3710494
Find them, soldier

>>3710494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLV6ARPyIYs
This one is cute

>>3711372
she sounds like her breath smells like a breast milk

>>3711372

>>3711372

>>3691467

>>3705350
Like every GFE

>>3694048
https://streamable.com/jf57gm
This is GFE. It's literally just treating your viewers as a bf/crush/date. It's roleplaying.

Ignore all goslings who pretend Ame is "GFE", they just fetishized le epic normie woman (same with Takosharts).

>>3706650
Now this is the kind of unnecessary rants I come to this site for. Thank you, but let me add an exception.
>>3706625
>Think about it logically, can a person truly enjoy a relationship as a relationship, even in a weird wiggly wobbly quasi sense, if they are thinking in the back of their minds "wow, they definitely are acting like they love me, but I know that they really don't give a shit about me" at all times?
This can apply to any kind of platonic/fictional relationship, I saw many t/a/rds fall for their waifus and go to extremes to prove their fervent love a few years ago. No matter how much I loved any anime girl I couldn't delude myself to imagine scenarios even if I'm a professional daydreamer but that was because in the back of my mind there was this giant sign full of neon lights that said "FICTIONAL DON'T EVEN TRY YOU RETARD".
Granted, I never felt a need to get a gf and thought I would never be a gosling until a month ago when I discovered a certain indie that initially fit perfectly into what was supposed to be my ideal girl but after going full menhera shortly after that the realization came: real relationships are less realistic than you think.
In short, what matters is not how "true" a relationship really is but how you feel it is. There's always an idealistic factor to it, and GFE is just another way for humans to play pretend and let themselves live in the fantasy of a perfect partner. Escapism isn't healthy, but I'll be damned if it isn't fun as hell.

>>3717985
99% of waifutards were just LARPing, that's always been the case.

>>3699001
no, GFE is essentially intimate roleplay that escorts can (or cannot) provide. if they don't provide GFE, that means that they'll still either fake their enjoyment or get into it, but GFE usually means stuff like hugging, kissing, more intimate things during sex, whereas no GFE means that it's just fucking without any of the social foreplay and trappings. they can still do naughty talk and the like, they just won't want to cuddle with your ugly ass and pretend to like it.

>>3718026
I'm talking about /a/ circa 2010's, when there were still a few genuine waifufags left. I had just came to the site back then so I may have overestimated it a bit but you'd see really well made pics for the usual valentines collage, and it would be the same guy doing it every year like Mikufag and Horofag.

>>3711372
holy shit, now i understand when people say she's GFE. even just sitting here my heart race a little bit, wtf...

>>3711372
I felt nothing, maybe this is why I can criticize GFE so much?

>>3718766
>>3718863
the duality of man

>>3704189
>>3704372
>expecting anyone to feel sexually threatened by Tamaki, who looks like a girl, sounds like a girl, acts like a girl and who's roommate is a girl
SSR level retards, holy shit

>>3719018
That's the joke you autistic insolent fuck

>>3719018
What im trying to say is that her character is a male, which shows that her fans can't separate character and reality. They would probably feel threatened by a male-to-female character even though technically they shouldn't.

>>3711372
anyone have more clip of her? the more clip i saw of her, the more it's turning me into gosling, i think i need to join her membership to get more.

>>3706650
I kneel.
I personally like to think that GFE comes in 3 tiers:
Tier 1: The general cute voice, never mention men romantically, treat viewers really really well stage. This is the tier of GFE that, for instance, ALL holos do, the plausible deniability tier (which causes brainlets on this board to think they don't do GFE kek).
Tier 2: Basically what you've described, the high-effort GFE tier.
Tier 3: Menhara tier. Very rare. If they're not streaming, they're on discord with their gachikois. They've somehow, (quite masterfully) figured out a system to give intimacy to individual members while at the same time treating them as a collective. Talk about everything about their daily lives short of doxxing themselves. They are basically the free-use orgy of Vtubers, and rarely last long before the whole thing implodes, and it WILL implode. Not very healthy, and to my knowledge, not even polka reaches this tier.

>>3719082
>That's the joke you autistic insolent fuck
Is it? Your buddy >>3719090 wasn't in on it I suppose
>>3719090
>which shows that her fans can't separate character and reality.
Can you really blame them? Norio herself is one of the few 'vtubers' that make almost no effort to seperate fiction from reality. She literally streams herself on her own channel. Tamaki is less like a vtuber (i.e. the feeling of the character being its own existence) and more like an anime character at this point. She announced that she was getting married and was surprised at the fact that nobody felt betrayed, because she was somehow still under the delusion that anyone was still invested in Tamaki as a separate character.
>They would probably feel threatened by a male-to-female character even though technically they shouldn't.
The only ones who could reasonably pull that off are trannies, and nobody is sexually threatened by someone who has probably chopped their own junk off.
It's quite simple really: Unless you are some sort of actual method actor, the roommate is part of the character, because the vtuber utilizes the roommate to provide authenticity.

>>3698603
Miko explicitly says she has no interest in men.
Pekora is the most asexual vtuber.
Aqua is daughter experience.
Marine is more like a fuck buddy than a girlfriend.
Luna is more like a little sister.

Matsuri, Korone and Towa are wrong, they absolutely do GFE

I don´t watch the rest so I don´t know.

Shit I thought I was safe because Gura doesn't do gfe but reading through this thread I've realized she's just subtle about it. Where as Rushia clubs you over the head and drags you back to her cave Gura sneaks up behind you and hugs you until you fall in love.

it's none of them

none of them do

At least, none of the holos do, some indies might.
>>3720287
>Luna is more like a little sister.

Fuck you, Luna is sexy.

>>3720287
Not mentioning Men or being overly nice to their audience is GFE. I'm sorry that you're such a brainlet that you can't comprehend how real women act.

>>3717985
>>3706625
I think this thing can be enjoyed even if in the back of your mind you know it's bullshit or nonsense. Of course it is, but you can't deny how you feel. Even if the back of your mind is yelling at you, that part of you is just there to keep you grounded and prevent you from actually going too far, if that makes sense?
'Cause if you enjoy this kinda GFE thing too much that you start to believe it could happen for real, that's kind of dangerous behaviour.
It just feels like a fine balancing act, if that makes sense. Too much of that "don't enjoy this, it's just bullshit" will make you, well, not enjoy it. You'll feel too guilty. But too much of the "this is completely for real and we're ACTUALLY together" and it starts to affect reality and that can be a bit scary or sad. Does this make sense?
>Escapism isn't healthy, but I'll be damned if isn't fun as hell.
Well said.
I remind myself it's just a fantasy. My oshi represents the kinda person I'd be really into if I met someone like that for real. She just kinda ticks all the boxes for me. I have that voice in the back of my mind, albeit it's not just for this, it's for anything I enjoy. But I also try to say "of course I know this, shut up, let me just enjoy something for once". I indulge in the fantasy, and I've been able to smile a lot more and enjoy these streams even more.

>>3694677
>>3694677
This is so wrong in every sense of the word and retarded that I don't even know where to begin.

Move aside with your interior girlfriend experience. Make way for the superior WE

>>3722809
>WE
Whore Experience?

>>3717281
That looks so fucking fake, I'm sorry to say it, I didn't even get past the 5 seconds

>>3716724
This doesn't look right, I don't know I like it

it's funny because I prefer black hair

>>3723123
That's because it is fake, this isn't remotely in-character (for both the roommate and the vtuber-persona).

It's fucking bizarre that MORI of all people pulled off such an obviously gosling-baiting GFE stunt.

>>3723255
the only rrat i have for this is that she souds high as fuck i this clip

>>3723123
i mean... isn't GFe supposed to be fake?

>>3723255
I agree. Mori is quite shameless in that regard. I won't be as bold as to say "she is just milking the paypigs" but i find it hard to deny, or argument against.

>>3723376
Thing is, gfe is about emotions and how those make you do things. Here mori is doing things to bring out emotions in you, something i consider wrong; manipulative

>>3691467
have sex incel

>>3699808
You found it at least important enough to reply.

>>3723979
>>>reddit.com
That way nigger

>>3721644
>Fuck you, Luna is sexy.
I don't know why but i laughed hysterically when I saw this sentence.

>>3721035
Gura is very subtle about it most of the time
But then she hits us with
https://youtu.be/UK8hojSjIQA?t=12307
>Winks at your girl like
>...
>Oh what girl? Haha sorry Guys...
>Me! Of course.

>>3691467
how do I get over my love of subaru even though she doesnt know I exist

>>3730371
rape is the only way

>>3706625
>>3706650
TLDR learn to fucking write fag. This is not reddit. Did anyone ever tell you less is more?

Ame is peak GFE

Simple as

>>3730371
Use the literal meaning of idol and worship her like a god you won't ever reach.

>>3694677
You don't even need to bring "objective moral standards" into it. There's no point to trying to be utterly independent, because nothing exists independently.

She tried.

Polka???

>>3730734
Fuck you you absolute room temperature IQ nigger, it's enjoyable to read

>>3718863
I felt nothing as well because I already have someone to love and I know she loves me back

>>3730841

I reach god every night before I sleep anon, god will accept you if only you devout yourself

>>3731646
no you dont lmao

Gimme some indies that do that.
At least on the same level as Rushia.

Imagine being Aqua's girlfriend...

>>3738101
You will never be a woman.

>>3738101
>two complete autists who can't function as proper human beings
Yeah no, that's a terrible idea no matter how you look at it.

>>3738101
sex everyday

>>3741703
Asking Aqua's mom to buy us condoms!

>>3758072
Yeh for like a week or two. Then you'd be lucky if you got to touch once per month since she'd have her share of it and would go back to her games.

Dragon GF get

>>3761469
she does GFE? i don't really know about her previous stream, please enlighten me

>>3761469

Cool brand new waifu, anon. I'm sure she'll notice you were one of her first ever fans and thank you for it.

My time has come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_2P7N_4y_k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGlfi9brQM4

i can't believe there's still no channel dedicated to upload GFE clip. there's got to be quite a demand for it, especially if you don't really have time and just want to have quick fix of your GFE for the day without having to go through hours of streaming contents just for a drop of that sweet sweet nectar.

>>3768244
>on-demand GFE
Scary times we live in.

>>3771186
imagine the possibility...

>>3691889
Same haha

>>3694677
I agree with you, true love means to be completely imersed in one another, being two parts of the whole that can't function separately. I still don't know if it's a warped vision of things or the society itself is warped. Codependency is love.

So it's true then, rushia gives the best GFE...

>>3694677
This anon is 100% scientifically, epistomologically, metaphysically and biologically correct. The nuclear family is the smallest unit of mankind. Anything smaller is an aberration.

>>3778854
she's the best yandere experience

>>3699808
>>3722491
In my experience people who recoil at the idea that some baseline level of codependency being normal is like the other fucking side of the insane codependency coin.

Usually they were people who at one point who were so codependent on someone that they had to step back hard but they're usually still like that on some level they're not even conscious of. Or they are conscious of it but it's like, the particular exception that applies to them and their situation but no one else. Or they're a person with severe problems with perception of emotions (ie. autistic or sociopath) who get the physical and social aspects of relationships but never figure out the emotional bits and would never be able form that kind of relationship in the first place and are basically not bothered by the idea not being able to.

>>3782454
nah nigga you just a fucking loser

>>3783274
eat my balls anon

Why does this have to be my lot in life? Am I really so repulsive, so unworthy of love that I have to pretend an anime robot talking head will ever make do?

This thread and its topic might be the most pitiful thing I've every witnessed after almost 2 decades of being on 4chan (2005) old /a/ here. Jesus Christ. This board is not for me. I'm out. Bye.

>>3784181
Western (and Western-related civilization, like Japan) civilization is just a slow march towards worse and worse female behavior. it used to be expected that a woman would be a virgin prior to marriage, then it became, well she's a slut, but at least she's pretty cute, to she's fat and a slut. You're not missing anything desu. Women these days will invite you over to their dirty apartment (like literally pizza boxes and dirty plates on their kitchen table) and joke about how they got high and gave their fish weed.

>>3691889
We're all here for you anon

>>3784185
I sincerely doubt that, this is pretty standard.

>>3784185
Oh no. Stop. Please don't go. You're so important.

>>3778854
No one comes close. She needs us as much as we need her.

lol no one in hololive does GFE you faggots literally water down every Japanese term you ever hear

>>3778854
Only if you understand japanese

>>3761469
>gf
more like twitchwhores experience

>>3796133

>>3804399
>tfw no self-hating mentally ill gf
WOW just end my shit ANYTIME

>>3804399
The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>3779774
>grew up and practically raised by my grandmother alone
Well there was no hope for me anyone. Kinda gay how I'm the only one in the family in finished highschool and college.

>>3782454
Dont know, all I know is my grandmother basically taught me growing up is to barely rely or be codependent on anyone (which is ironic given the board this is but whatever) nor put trust in other people (also grew up christfag family too) because of how likely everyone is to betray and backstab each other and to finally be self reliant for the most part as well. Vtubers, waifus, etc. Is fine and far as I'm willing to go and would rather not be in a real relationship or be emotionally responsible for someone who isnt myself. I'd rather be alone and isolate myself desu

>>3782454
>Or they're a person with severe problems with perception of emotions (ie. autistic or sociopath) who get the physical and social aspects of relationships but never figure out the emotional bits and would never be able form that kind of relationship in the first place and are basically not bothered by the idea not being able to.
There is nothing wrong with that

>>3694677
>you were given and implicitly accepted that as the cost for your existence when you were born through your birth
being born is not a choice, it is not physically possible to decline the burden of existence. i know because i would have if i could.
>much in the way of Original Sin
you mean jewish fairy tales
i agree with your conclusion but the premise you used to get there is beyond silly. end justifies the means, i guess?

>>3807902
Whether the reason that we walk a path is fair or not, we walk a path regardless.

>>3807640
It's a bit of a problem for the rest of civilization, though. Actors in civilization that aren't well-meaning and invested in its perpetuation are weak links at best and threats at worst.

>>3691606
all women are. no exceptions

I WANNA HOLD RUSHIA IN MY ARMS SO BADLLYYYY

>>3784724

>>3811580
You couldn't be bothered to even use a sheep picture, huh?

>>3810369
I'm pretty sure she would gladly hug a fandead if she were confident there were no repercussions
Actually, I'm pretty sure she'd hug EVERY fandead if it was possible and there we no repurcussions
Come to think of it, certain Rushia streams can get as little as ~8k viewers. Judging by likes of her mengen streams and actual chat activity, I can imagine she has maybe ~1-2k people in her mengen at the very most.
If she gives a solid hug lasting ~15 seconds to each fandead present, and it was the lower bound of fandead present, that's a 4 hour-ish stream of hugging to hug 1000 people.
4 hours is definitely within the average stream time.
I think we can do it.

>>3810369
She wants to hug you too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fijR4sYDPo

>>3804399
Fandeads are truly in heaven

>>3804399
Holy mental issues

>>3807640
>There is nothing wrong with that
Never said there was, it's just not the norm, it's dishonest to be presented as the norm to people who are having issues, and it's probably not something most people can or should do.

>>3814645
>>3804399
Not once in my life has a female so very desperately wanted me like this.

>>3815091
its fake anon
she's faking it

>>3814715
yep, very lucky they have someone like that .

>>3815265
Just embrace the kayfabe.

>>3815265
she's a god damn anime girl, obviously it's fake, you are required to suspend your disbelief

>>3815265
IT IS REAL TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>3815629
Don't Take Your Meds

>>3804399
ruchan...

>>3815265
I hope she is, but I know that a lot of GFE indies have the parasocial relationship ruin both ways where they feed off of the affection of chat. I always wonder how much Rushia needs the fandead

>>3812305
imagine handshake event with hololive member. you can shake their hand through a hole in a wall while infront of you is a screen with their character on it.

>>3821446
Even better; haptic feedback glove VR handshake event!

>>3778854
Maybe Watame can compete, I mean those 8 hour streams are like you're spending the entire day with her

>>3827001
Spending 24 hours with Mr Koro!

>>3801222
i need EN chuba that provides GFE at the level of rushia's