/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Obligatory Yagoo at either top right or top left.

Matsuri probably also is pretty fucking high on suffering but it's debatable how much she brought it on herself.

>>3569496
Sio should be somewhere at the upper right.
AI, Delta, and Fumino Tamaki should be upper left.

>>3569496
Coco at the furthest right possible

>>3569564
chink love

>>3569612
Cope faggot your whore isn't funny or interesting

>>3569496
Ironmouse has to be maximum suffering, minimum deserved. Her condition is entirely genetic and there's nothing she can do about it.

>>3569612
This, but unironically

>>3569496
Honestly I would be Subaru at 100 on the suffering scale, maybe even lower for deserving it. Poor duck had a hard life from the get go and all of it was stuff that was out of her control or couldn't have been the consequences of her own actions. I haven't heard stories of many other vtubers who have gone through as much life long suffering as her, aside from maybe Kanata and Watame.
For that matter, maybe put Watame on the far left side somewhere. I know the story about her father not wanting her and would rather have put her up for adoption than take her in, and IIRC she had some difficulties growing up with her mom/grandma. I don't know her full story as well as others might but I doubt she deserved much of any of that.

>>3569496
Ollie near top right

>>3569496
The bottom 50 Nijis should be somewhere at the top.

>>3569564
Based

>>3569699
All these stories that vtubers say are fake they only do it for sympathy donos dont fall for it

>>3569496
Ame mid/high left due to her health problems
Mori low right as she refuses to learn Japanese despite living in Japan
Ina is correct
Kiara bottom right she deserves to suffer more
Gura middle

Before we debate gradations of suffering, it might be easier to start with vtubers who suffered very little. I nominate Reine, given her wealthy background.

>>3569768
they're not twitch whores

>>3569845
We may disagree on how much she deserves it, but Kiara has a hell of a lot of suffering with health issues as well.

>>3569848
Lamy is also in the low suffering category.

>>3569496
Kiara is 100% suffering, and 50% deserved

Polka mid left for what happened to her roommate. That graduation video still haunts me.

Top left for Delutaya

>>3569911
You don't remember the Janitor arc?

Where would Kiara be?

>>3569644
>isn't funny or interesting
At least she isn't Chinese and never will be

>>3570096
80/65

>>3569496
obligatory

Let's get this one out of the way.

Here's an updated version

Potentially inflammatory/debatable placements are currently marked with '?!', the ones that will likely get adjusted are marked with "?"

Keep 'em coming and try to be precise and/or provide some rationale if you can

>>3569911
Lamy is like a 20 on suffering, but it's all brought about by her alcoholism which is her own fault.

>>3570001
>not top right.

>>3569496
Nene should be higher on the suffering axis. The whole new outfit ordeal, having to wait way longer for 3D than all her gen mates and having to watch them appear in hologra months before she even had her 3D debut.

>>3569564
Based

>>3569564
based zhang

>>3569496
Haachama about 70 suffering/10 deserved

Where's he?

>>3570276
Just to the right of left-Yagoo.

>>3570276
Bottom right

>>3570170
fuck off ironmouse definitely deserved it

>>3569496
Obligatory anon in top right

>>3570170
Hoshikawa bottom right

>>3569496
First off, start with the extremes and then work from there. Who suffered the most? Who had it easy all along?
Second, a warning about the low suffering/low deserving zone. It means that the chuuba didn't suffer at all BUT that they deserved to suffer as much as one who suffered a lot in the opposite/mirrored side. That's basically a horrible person who got away with everything, and because of this I don't think Ina and Nene fit their positions in your chart, for example.

>>3570352
But then where would /vt/ go?

>>3570369
Now, that's bottom right.

>>3570170
Roboco should be on the far left somewhere in the middle because she is a precious angel that deserves love but she suffers from people being mean to her

>>3570170
I will post this on r/hololive, we might get a better insight and possibly featured at the next coco meme review

>>3570170
How is Ame not higher on suffering ?
>Was molested by her mom's boyfriend
>Was parent-less, eventually had to be raised by her aunt
>Was homeless
>Pretty much constantly broke until hololive

>>3570459
Sounds like a good time.

>>3569496
So Nene didn't deserve to not suffer? I don't get this chart at all. Also this thread is going to be 99% roommate shit because of that Subaru placement.

>>3569496
Nearly half of them are lying. It's statistically improbable for so many sob stories to be gathered in one place and it's not like theyre asked "Do you have a person traumatic experience" in the interviews

>>3570365
ah, true
the deserve axis also could implies the chuuba doesn't deserve the good life they have

>>3570507
Most people's lives are shit, anon. You were simply unaware.

>>3570459
She gets discord sex with Ina
So the suffering from before is nullified somewhat

Both Haachama and Haato on the 100 suffering line somewhere

>>3570507
Hmm I don't know anon, my life is about as shit as the median holo's. I think it's pretty normal to have had at least a few horrible life experiences.

>>3570459
She had multiple boyfriends so she doesnt count because they surely paid for everything

>>3570170
>sio
100, 100, without a doubt.

>>3570523
They live in Japan and not Africa. You're just a saviorfag

>>3570170
How did coco deserve it at all? Her suffering was caused by chink hivemind I’d say objectively that means she was doing something good

>>3569845
>Mori refuses to learn japanese

>>3570596
Very edgy newfags love pretending to be retarded by acting like Zhangs did something good

v0.02

>>3570365
Agreed with the first point but the second is not in line with the existing suffering charts. Just take a look at the chart /a/ made, Yotsuba/Yunocchi/Chiyo are bottom left and Umaru/Hyodo/Miyoshi are bottom right.
>>3570502
Again, that's not how it typically works. By "how much they deserved it" we mean "how much they deserved to suffer", it's a mental shortcut . All of the existing suffering charts work this way so I don't see why ours should deviate from this

Watame top left corner

>>3569564
Disgusting chang

>>3570664
Maybe she doesn't refuse, just eternal dekinai

>>3569564
已将50个社会信用点添加到您的帐户中

>My oshi: Top Left
>Your oshi: Bottom Right

>>3570591
>they don't live in Africa
Got a source on that?

>>3570596
Dude chill, I like Coco. But tisʻ just a meme. Holy fuck, stop being such a saviorfag.

>>3570755
Virtual Gorilla should be bottom left. No suffering, and he's easily one of the nicest vtubers around.

>>3570755
No way Subaru suffered more than Ironmouse, Subaru is still able to have a normal life, Ironmouse is in isolation until the end of her (almost certainly very short) life.

Also, move Coco to like, 70/30.

What about ALOE?

>>3570961
>no suffering
Uhh hearing loss though?

>>3571017
Huh? He's losing his hearing?

>>3571086
The retard thinks virtual gorilla means Amane Kanata.

>>3570755
I'd put Marine around the middle
She suffered a bit, but it's her fault for being fat.

Got some more strong candidates for the corners? Nijis/Indies welcome

>>3571108
Lmao
What a EOP loser

>>3570994
What about her?

>>3571108
Kek. I legit got worried for Gori-san.

>>3571120
Why is Nyanners at 50 for suffering? She’s got it made.

>>3571120
Entire cast of Gamebu top left
Narukami dead center

>>3570432
Thanks based redditor.

>>3571120
My niji boywife mashiro should be at lvl 70 suffering and didn't deserve it

>>3570507
A streaming company is self-selecting for autistic people that are one step away from homelessness, if they had good childhoods and paid attention in school they'd be in an office somewhere and wouldn't have had time to stream everyday for 20 viewers

>>3571171
If anything, we're the ones suffering because she exists

>>3570966
>>3571120
Coco’s suffering should still be higher than how much she deserved it
All she did was recognize china was a country and make a bunch of Bugmen angry

I think Koopa should go at like 45, 10

>>3570755
>not in line with the existing suffering charts
That's the thing, everyone has been doing these charts wrong all along. If you want to follow them, that's your call. Just be aware that it doesn't make any logical sense. If someone suffered a lot but didn't deserve it, that means the person deserved to suffer less, right? Then why the opposite wouldn't work the same way?
This anon >>3570521 gets it.

>>3571120
Omesis, Ponpoko and Peanuts-kun are somewhere around bottom left.

>>3571171
She has to be reminded everyday that shes an empty shell of a human being that sold her soul to be half as popular as people that weren't even born when she started making content. She will never be a professional voice actress and will have to be a dancing monkey for a fanbase she hates until she has a britney spears meltdown

>>3571223
yet somehow they're all concentrated in Hololive, an agency which relies heavily on donations and you can rarely find such things about other groups and indies(beside the one who scammed people by saying her electricity is getting cut and she can't pay rent). I've been dealing with gypsy gangs of child beggars and I can tell a real one from a fake.

>>3571120
Niji IN on 30 suffering and 15 deserve. They didn't put that much effort into it, but the hilarious mismanagement with the EN thing and the graduation after was something

too fucking lazy honestly

>>3571379
What about Niji Taipei and Shanghai then? They got yeeted way faster than IN

>>3571120
roa and meiro top right.

>>3571120
I'd put Ina further right for being Korean

>>3571286
Let's just change the text on the bottom then, for clarity

>>3571120
Adding another opinion that I think coco should be waaay more left. I think like 70 suffering (literally broke down crying on stream) and like 20 deserve it (pissed off the chinks which is based anyway).

>>3571486
kek

>>3571527
Just for meme review she deserved worse

>>3571486
Go back to fucking your boyfriend, Ayame

>>3571260
>>3571527
Cringe redditors pretending nothing is wrong with reddit shit review

>>3570459
Its getting her toes cracked "molestation" now?
There's no evidence of anything more than that

>>3571527
>>3571120
Also want to add:
Yagoo, ironmouse, and ame should stay top left.
Kiara is in a good spot.
Mori should be much less on the deserved it scale than kiara, close to 35ish perhaps.
/vt/, rrat, and op are all good in the bottom right.

>>3571120
Coco should be like, 65/20, I have no idea why you're so attached to having Coco so high on the deserved line, just because the first person to respond to your shitty thread was a bugman.

>>3571623
Cope harder zhang, her making meme review is massively overshadowed by the chink arc when it comes to Coco being under fire

Who should be absolute bottom left? Perhaps someone like Sora or Fubuki?

>>3571120
Hana macchia should be a 50-60 on suffering and a 10 on deserved axis.

>>3571733
Imagine liking someone not for their content but just because they accidentally said name of a country. I hope you realize that constant zhangposting doesn't change the truth

>>3571623
from a business standpoint reddit review is the best money printer imaginable, she gets all the content for free and doesn't have to put any effort into even trying to make it funny. Not her fault 15k subhumans will bury her in red superchats for showing their low effort tierlists

>>3571849
Gura, Sora spent years streaming to a hundred people.

>>3571120
This bastard deserves it all, apparently, and… well he does get a lot. Honestly I’m not sure which corner he belongs in. But I’m sure it’s a corner.

>>3571997
Don't compare daisenpai to that trash alcoholic meme shark ever again

>>3571950
I DO like her content dipshit, I’m just saying in the context of her suffering (angry Chinese) compared to what she did (naming a country) means that she should be in a different location on the chart

>>3571120
How about swapping anon with Ryan Gosling? He's basically the image of the majority of anons here.

>>3571950
moronic zhang, you only hate coco because she said a single word, it doesn't work the other way around. people like her for more than saying taiwan.

>>3572019
I was saying that Sora suffered too much to be bottom left, whereas Gura hasn't.

>>3571522
This, please change it to HOW MUCH THEY DESERVE TO SUFFER
>>3572046
I think goslings deserve to be top left. They did nothing wrong by loving and supporting their oshi.

>>3570666
absolute retards.

Jenma (30,80)

>>3572050
I literally said Taiwan is a country retard. Read what I wrote again instead of falling on the same NPC Cocofag response

v0.04, thank you all for the contributions so far

I'll improve the label on the bottom when I find out what font the original uses

>>3572360
Engineer gaming on 5 5

>>3570826
Mori is decent at Japanese though, she can have a regular conversation at the language. She's not fluent, but it's enough for what she's trying to do

How the fuck is the shark higher than nyanners? Some discord drama and a botched live2d vs getting doxxed and people calling her family. Plus the worst she did was being a hypocrite (which is itself is debatable), she should be 75 at most in the 'deserved' scale i.e. not more than kiara

>>3571120
Uto is basically very low suffering (say, 10) but deserved to suffer a lot. She kind of suffered a little when she was exposed and JOPs tried to flame her, but at that point her EOP army was already strong. You can argue that her having to embrace English and the EOPs is a way of suffering since she despised English but honestly that's more like karma biting her ass.
She's a prime example of a bad person (I would be entering roommate territory here but that's basically what everyone here does, so I'll leave at this) who got away with almost everything and reached relative success with very small trade-offs.

Note how 95,10 was added despite no one mentioning it and it having nothing to do with anything. It should be at 100 on the x-axis anyway.

>>3572727
Nah, she's 100 on deserved. I don't think this is up to debate. Anyone that shits on their fans belongs there.
You make a fair point for the Y axis though.

A few dumb suggestions, may add more later.
>Suffering / Deserve
Hitomi Chris = 85 / 90
Botan = 15 / 10
Towa = 60 / 40
Ayame = 65 / 5
Aqua = 60 / 60
Shion = 30 / 70
Rushia = 5 / 60
Put a holostars row below the niji row

>>3572225
Did you mean 30 suffering and 80 deserve? Enma got all the flak for collab restrictions while Jenma got off scot free.

>>3572727
I think she was undeniably hypocritical and threw her fanbase under a bus, but her suffering can be improved a bit.

>>3572360
I suggest putting Koopa on (30, 60), she actually suffers quite a bit due to her health problems and bad luck.
Also, it would be good putting Civia, and other CNs maybe, around top left. Artia deserves to be on the right side.
And how about Aloe in (90,90) or (85,85)?

>>3572930
Aloe is already on there, newfag.

>>3569496
>>3572360
Botan and Okayu should be somewhere in most bottom left area. Both of them so far has the least suffering and don't do anything to deserve it.

yashiro kizuku relatively low for deserving, like 5-10. he's a total bro
maybe somewhere in the 40s on the y-axis for being a wagie

>>3569768
Dude, most of these women suck ass at thinking on their feet so they supplement it with real-life stories to keep chat entertained. It may be slightly exaggerated or have some parts left out, but I promise you a lot of it is the unfiltered them.

>>3572005
top right, that's for sure

>>3572615
just autism, its very obvious when she collab with JP senpais

>>3572360
Suisei like 5-10 in how much she deserves to suffer. 60-80 in how much she suffered
>rejected by multiple idols companies
>debuted as an indie VTuber and struggled to main afloat
>one last song as a goodbye
>by miracle, that song grabs the attention of INNK
>after joining INNK, management fucked her over
>couldn't release new songs as fast as promised by the management
>finally she is moved to Hololive where she is now
>becomes relatively popular in China
>2020 was a good year until September
>Coco and Haachama said the T word
>chinks don't like that, they throw a tantrum
>Hololive is forced to leave China
>loses a part of her fanbase in China
maybe 2021 will be different

Froot = 25 / 100
>>3572930
Spade Echo needs to be top middle/right, because she's a brat.

>>3570140
I'm sure the Chinese are eternally grateful she's not one of them

>>3572727
>he believed the sob stories about nyanners get harassed irl
"muh death threats" is the first thing people like her throw out when they're facing deserved criticism, and it's hard to take the doxxing thing seriously when she showed her face and used her real name regularly

>>3572322
Whether Zhang or Chang, both are ESLtards.

>>3571486
ayame...

>>3573292
Coco sucks

>>3572322
Taiwan is not a country, it's an island occupied by filthy western-backed rebels with zero legitimacy. Don't fall for the meme.

>>3572360
I would put Deluta on 95, one slot to the right, so basically right of Subaru. Move Polka up two spaces and two to the left.
I would say nyanners should be much further to the left but I don't want to make schizos seethe.
Watame should be at 0 "deserving", she did nothing wrong.
I also need to ask, why the fuck Kanata is that high?

>>3572925
>Did you mean 30 suffering and 80 deserve?
yeah I'm retarded
Enma (30,80)
Jenma(80,30)
Jenma still suffers from having to deal with yabs but managed to not get any blame

>>3572972
Harem protagonists like Okayu should always suffer at least a bit and both Okayu and Botan like teasing people, so maybe bottom row and around 15-25 for deserving? I'd say they're both a bit more deserving than Fubuki, though.
>>3572980
I think Joe and Maimoto would also be around the same area.

>>3573317
China is a dictatorship.

>>3572941
That's delta. I'm talking about Aloe.

>>3572360
Shigure Ui 40/40

>>3572360
Put Coco 50 more points to the right and airplane cat a few more points upward then you'll be golden

>>3573384
America is a third world country

>>3573317
She's a shit

Top left.
Someone please get her out of that shithole.

>>3573432
In some places. And?

>>3573346
Fuck off Chang.

>>3573384
>>3573432
Both are true. Reddit dragon is still a whore though

>>3572360
Noor didn't deserved the suffering of forced graduation, wtf

Dunno about Pika and the red girl, but Monoe graduated recently, maybe put her top left and the other two in the middle.

>>3573443
She's a war criminal citation needed so she deserves some suffering

>>3573346
Taiwan is a country and Coco is unfunny and unwatchable trash

>>3571633
molestation is any inappropriate touching anon

>>3573593
I licked my niece's ear as a joke, is it molestation to you retard?

>>3571120
nigga why coco so far on the right

>>3573640
reddit review

Yogiri deserved none of the things that happened to her. She didn't participate in the harassment, she didn't care about the conflict, but she still lost her entire career.

>>3573623
yes, you fucking pedo

Nina bottom left.

>>3573443
>former gang leader

>>3573623
jesas

>>3573350
Kanata is going deaf.

>>3573549
She got fired. And judging by the rest of Voms reaction she probably deserved it.

>>3573549
I'd place in Monoe top right honestly. She undeniably breached her contract, no matter how. Maybe 80/80

>>3573549
Magnet did something to get fired, so she shouldn't be top left. I'd say she's somewhere in the middle.

>>3573317
And fucks

>>3573576
>Taiwan is a country
Ngmi. Never fall for globohomo agenda
>Coco is unfunny
Not all hope is lost. I wish you the best.

>>3573623
you sick fuck, you're worse than a lolicon

>>3572360
Homo Suffering Deserved
Pizzadad 70 10
Kaoru(retired) 65 40
Astel 55 10

This is a tricky one. Opinions, gentlepeople?

>>3573640
Not far enough. No one deserves more suffering than the lizard

>>3573762
you fucker, china absorbing taiwan is the most globohomogenity thing there is

>>3570184
>The whole new outfit ordeal, having to wait way longer for 3D than all her gen mates and having to watch them appear in hologra months before she even had her 3D debut.

I don't think that caused her that much pain, being rejected for hololive 4 times in a row was far more traumatic

>>3573623
Is she cute?

>>3573679
She is doing fine right now though

>>3573791
I think all can agree shark is really low on the Y axis.
X axis is the spicy one.

>>3573791
15 100

this thread started good and is becoming shit sooooo fast, if people want to make another thread for discussing controversialas better do it now

>>3573802
An ethnostate absorbing a land occupied by people of the same ethnicity but much dumber is globohomo how?

>>3573843
You scared of a lil argumentation, piss baby? We can't figure out where to place controversial shit without talking about it first, and flinging shit makes things more fun.

>>3573688
>>3573700
>>3573767
retard I didn't fuck her or something
>>3573819
I would say so

>>3573849
next you'll xinjiang and tibet are the same ethnicity

Somewhere in the middle.

>>3573889
UOOOOOOOOH

>>3573849
>if we kill all other ethnic groups it will be an ethnostate :)

>>3573893
No, but they've been part of China for several centuries and even now barely counts as minority anyway. Just a matter of time till they are HAN'd.

>>3573771
what did they do?

>>3573849
>WE'RE ALL THE SAME AND SHOULD GET ALONG NO MATTER WHAT (BY FORCE)
literally one world government

Why is Kiara so far to the right? Not saying she can't be annoying or something, but these charts seem like really overblown memes to me - in more regards than just Kiara, no less.

>>3573889
How old is she when you licked her?

>>3573623
Hot

>>3573889
>I didn't fuck her or something
You might as well have. Now describe the shape of her breasts.

>>3573963
about 11 why does it matter?

>>3573958
The fact that Kiara isn't at 100 "deserve to suffer" is about as much restraint you can already expect from /vt/.

>>3573929
Unironically yes. How do you think the US became a white state in the 19th and early 20th century?
>>3573950
Pfft, no. China has no interest in lands they don't have at least a de jure claim on. Globohomo don't care about such an idea in the first place.

>>3573958
Kiara is the most annoying holo in existence

>>3573958
Orange woman bad. Too much of a menhera. Exaggerating certain girls in the chart is what makes it interesting.

>>3573989
>Her age is on the clock
Unbelievably based anon

>>3573989
UOOOOOOOHHHHH

>>3574012
>China has no interest in lands they don't have at least a de jure claim on
ah yes, the ancient de jure chinese lands of east africa

>>3573989
so, she was 12?

>>3573989
>about 11 why does it matter?

>>3574069
China is not trying to annex those lands, silly anon.

>>3574029
If her age is on the clock, she's ready for my cock

>>3574126
>

>>3573989
living the dream

>>3573989

>>3573989

>>3573989
how old where you?

>>3573989
Pikamee you shouldn't be posting here...

>Game requires Kiara to do a simple task
>She immediately fucks it up
I want off this timeloop

>>3573259
Nah she's definitely a case of play stupid games win stupid prizes. She was about 13 when she first started using this site. Anyone past that age, and their teens in general, knows that when you were at that age you were very stupid and gullible. She definitely had some lolcow material going for her and it isn't a stretch by any means to believe there were some anons more than willing to fuck with her back then. I agree with the other anon, she needs to be bumped up on the suffering scale.

>>3574304
Being in her late teens/early 20s when the shitstorm kicked off is reason to believe her even less. That's prime age for the "I am literally being raped by your words" mentality

v0.045
I'm going to the psychiatrist, I'll be back in a few hours and fill in the rest of the suggestions so worry not
>>3572811
Sorry about that, I'll leave it out for now

>>3574544
Whatever you do, don't let them give you meds

>>3574544
Do Holofightz characters count? I can think of some characters to fit the 100s areas that are hard to fill.

>>3574544
>schizo is making the chart
oh no no no
Also what did Froot do?

>>3574662
Cheat on her husband.
Scam /k/.
Lurk more.

>>3574544
Good by schizanon don't take your meds

>>3574662
Apparently she cheated on her husband/boyfriend when he on on service(?). Ask in a Vshoujo thread I don't know all the details

>>3574544
based schizochama

>>3574544
coco and kiara literally did nothing wrong

>>3574717
Kiara is debatable. Coco is not.

>>3574717
one brought redditors into vtubing, other is incredibly annoying egocentric whore

Shouldn't Towa be higher? I mean, of course, she is kinda dumb, but did she really deserve all the hate she got?

>>3574717
based

>>3573767
Lolicons are based retard

>>3574544
Coco’s “deserved” is way too high, “meme review sucks” argument being shilled still would only really put her at 20 deserved maximum

>>3573623

>>3574824
t.Redditor

>>3574824
Coco is unironically a sweetheart and also the reason we have HoloEN and got rid of the chinks. Anyone that think she deserved to be that high on deserved is delusional or even worse, chinese.

>>3574764
>brought redditors in
Take your meds fucking retard
r/hololive and r/virtualyoutubers existed long before Coco did shitpost review

MacArthur was right

>>3574932
Coco enables them as long as she is giving attention to then

>>3574899
HoloEN was a mistake and ruined vtuber culture in the long run

>>3575015
t. seething dogfucker

This thread sucks. There's barely any rhyme or reason to these placements. No one on this chart should be higher than deserves-25 except OP.

>>3575015
Even without HoloEN that was bound to happen eventually and vtuber culture is not that nice anyway

>>3575015
Without HoloEn, Vshojo would be the biggest english speaking vtuber group and the one everyone would look up to. Think about it.

>>3575076
go back to your hugbox

>>3575076
Ui deserves to get fucked hard

>>3575085
Every HoloEN expect maybe Ina already acts like regular twitch thots there isn't much of a difference

>>3575120
imagine actually believing it

>>3575120
ikadachis...

>>3575120
Based retard

How is Suisei ranked so high? The worst that happened to her is temporary bad management, overall she's successful and respected by pretty much everyone. I'm sure it was hard for her to build her career from nothing, but it's not exactly more suffering than Mel (who should be higher).

>>3575168
Imagine watching western whores.

>>3575229
agreed. having some failure as a traditional idol isn't comparable to losing your hearing and ability to perform your passion (singing)

>>3575015
No it was not a mistake. It was a bold powergrab over the western entertainment culture. Considering the simpbucks going to japan -not moishe spielbergs pockets, this equals a declaration of war.

>>3569564
ogey zhang

>>3574544
Artia should be way further left on x but remain in the same place on the y

>>3574544
Please add Miko in top left

>>3575476
how has miko suffered? remove your mikopi bias if possible.
she was basically in a similar situation as sora at the start, but had to shafted into hololive after some unpopularity.
i'd say 45 / 5

>>3575546
She got bullied for her speech impediment and had no friends in school. Not sure what else.

>>3573443
>White in south Africa
>Family was shot at like 2 weeks ago (brother was in the hospital)
>Hired contractors robbed her compound
>Literally never sleeps
>Children infect her chat
>Probably a former gang leader
>Her bikini became undone one time when she went swimming and never goes to the beach now
>Literal niggers raid her compound at least every 2 months
>Has probably killed people due to the absolute state of SA
>Had a liter of puppies that all died expect for one jokes about it on strem
>Eats ramen with mayo
Rose had a hard life

>>3569564
HUMAN RIGHTS

>>3575610
She was in hospital for a long time in 2020 but that was pregnancy.

>>3575229
I am the same anon that wrote >>3573054 and even I think she is too high in suffering

>>3573443
She had her chance but /vt/ has been ensuring that the "wrong sort" doesn't watch her streams so now she has ~50 viewers and will never make enough to leave.

>>3575546
Didn't she have health issues that lasted several months last year?

>>3575610
>>3575720
>>3575871
completely forgot about those, i agree she could be somewhere top left (zero suffering deserved)

>>3574544
>removing the orange
cringe

>>3574544
I think Suisei is a bit too high, somewhere around 40-60 would be better, maybe even lower depending on how many sob stories there are. Sure, she was /vyt/'s official pitysub along with her friend Chigusa, but she's now a top 30 vtuber on every metric, collaborates or has collaborated with a number of her oshis' VAs and composers of their songs, has a supportive family, and can continue her music activities more or less as normal regardless of her health issues. Compared Kanata who's right next to her and has had to drop live singing because of her ear condition she really looks out of place. And after everything (and there was a lot, Entum management made INNK look competent) Chigusa had to reincarnate and is a mid-tier Niji now. I would probably place her between Kanata and Suisei on the suffering scale, nor am I aware of anything why she would deserve it in anyone's mind. Being Chigusa might or might not be suffering any longer, but being Suisei definitely is not and she herself has said she's living her dreams right now, last time on her stream yesterday. Would probably also knock Suisei a notch or two on the deserving side, not because she deserves it, but because she does take evident pleasure in killing her friends in violent video games and I'm sure there are enough chuubas more innocent than that to fill the row.

And of course, they weren't the only official pitysubs, but two that are still alive and well and their stories therefore remembered. At 100 suffering and 0 deserving there ought to be a memorial to all the talented chuubas who never made it and had no one to mourn them when they quit.

And speaking Ansta-bu, Inui Toko might be a good fit for 0 deserving, 15-20 suffering spot. I think she also had a slow start, but also didn't have to trailblaze like Sora did. These days she has a lot of suicidal chatters treating her as a therapist for no clear reason beyond not having the heart to tell them to kill themselves, but seems to otherwise more or less live her dreams.

>>3575965
it is based, because the orange has absolutely nothing to do with vtubers

>>3575546
>Known to have health issues
>Was supposed to be the Sora of another Cover project but failed and got scrapped
>During the height of her popularity, she was forced to take a break due to aforementioned health issues

Roa did nothing wrong
Fucking retards

>>3576002
The orange is /vt/ culture and arguably the first virtual youtuber

Also I just enjoy how irrationallanger people get when seeing it.

>>3574544
Shigure Ui has to be a 5/5 unless there's some trauma rrats I've not heard about.

>>3576032
t. bully

>>3574544
Bea cunny for top right

>>3576051
t. menhera

>>3576032
I mean she kinda deserve it a bit due to using the senpai card to exert dominance. I agree that it should be lower though since she did not deserved to cancelled.

Put Aki on 40+ suffering due to all her problems when streaming and breaking her leg

>>3576047
i want to fucking beat up shigure ui, so she's a 5/60 for me

>>3574544
Don't know how much trouble youtube got but it deservers at least 90 on the x axis
Youtube HATE

>>3571486
I find her to be a comforting woman

>>3576092
she hasn't suffered any where close to enough, put her middle right

>>3576185
based, Youtube is worst than everyone in the chart

>>3576185
youtube 20 / 100
twitch : 30 / 100

Put Debi at 0 80 because I fucking hate him

>>3576037
AO is forced /qa/ garbage, they're only tolerated now that they keep it in one thread

Narukami should be bottom right

>>3575101
give me that juicy rrat

>>3576278
EOP retard redditor

>>3576278
Narukami has done nothing wrong.

>>3576278
dude is a rratposting chuuba
the mascot of /vt/

>>3574544
Everyone who has had to interact with Kiara gets +50 to suffering.

>>3574544
Based schizo. I'll concede to this middle ground regarding pink cat
What suffering did luna have?
>Engineer gaming
Cringe but I'll allow it. If we're doing memes, watamelon could be middle bottom

>>3576278
This but with Connor

>>3576580
>What suffering did luna have?
tendinitis or something like that, maybe some luknight can contribute more with that

>>3573689
>Nina
Would be middle left due to her mental struggle and heavy amount of reps.

>>3574544
Coco is 50-45 at worst.
Yogiri is 95-10, the rest of HoloCN should be moved a slight bit to the right.

>>3576632
Luna had a bad case of tendinitis and also she hurt her neck on her 3D stream

Merry somewhere between uto and rushia

>>3575825
She's still a top quality entertainer. Sooner or later a clip will get popular, hopefully.

>>3576680
The harassment from the chinese certainly places her at least in Kiara's level of suffering. Even 4chan is not that bad.

>>3576788
also lumi somewhere bottom left while we're at it

>>3575926
Miko pumped and dumped a lot of people on her way to relevancy, tho. She deserved at least a bit of suffering.

>>3574544
>>3573443
add Rose, she got robbed recently and she has to sleep with a knife under her pillow in case nigs will come at night to slaughter her family

>>3574544
I feel like Mori should be just above Narukami.
She DID suffer, but a good part of it was self inflicted.
Not considering her childhood.

>>3576887
a claim like that deserves elaboration

>>3574544
The chart is all over the place but FBK being at 10 and Rushia at 5 while Ollie is that high is probably the most offensive placement. You guys don't even watch clips.

>>3577326
that's what happens when we let a schizo make these things

>>3576192
>>3576092
t. Biichi

>>3573813
>>3570184
Remember that she is fucking cursed.

>>3573813
>>3570184
don't forget having to eat school lunches in the toilet cubicle and being mildly shunned by her classmates

>>3576997
Why are we not considering her childhood? Subaru and Amelia being ranked so high shows that we're counting home life and upbringing.

>>3577800
Well, to be fair, Mori had it pretty bad, but Shuba and Ame went through hell.

>>3577036
Not that anon, but I know Mikochi is (or was) very good friends with Nijisanji's Shiba.
I've also heard that she used to collab outside Hololive a lot back in the day, so maybe it's something like that?

>>3574222
over 20, but who gives a shit its irrelevant

>>3578140
Based Lolicon

>>3578140
I don't think it was wrong of you to do if she took it as a joke (hard to judge with children, I was kinda weird and easy to upset). But if I ever did that, I would be so embarrassed that I would still sink into the ground whenever I remembered it 20 years down the line.

>>3578354
She calls me her boyfriend as a joke as well, it is all in good humour don't worry

>>3570596
She doesn't

>>3578534
she does, cope more

>>3578567
Nope, she doesn't

>>3574544
x90 y10

>>3578991
not chuuba

>>3574544
x55 y40

>>3579038
neither is the listener, rrat, anon, gosling, chris etc. yet they are on the list

Reminder Sio did nothing wrong

>>3574544
x5 y5

>>3579474
SEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>>3579238
Yes she did

>>3571623
Meme review gets her +30 deserved it. I still think 85 is excessive. 50 deserved it IMO.

>>3579238
>it's impossible to make a shitpost on 5ch whilst also looking at the Apex main menu

>>3579633
>>3579584
Lies and slander.

>>3575631
>white in South Africa
Everything after this is just a given with that prerequisite. It truly is a nigger hell there.

>>3579670
tfw too poor to save rose and her family

>>3579474
what is this?

>>3579670

>>3579670
they have only themselves to blame

>>3579927
>be boer
>settle virgin land
>bantu niggers migrate
>now it's their ancient ancestral land

>>3579736
Footage of Aloe's last moments in Hololive.

I'm back, bump limit reached so continuing here:
>>3580271
>>3580271
>>3580271

>>3579736
lurk

>>3578567
korone should be a 20 on the deserves it, how dare she say taiwan AND florida

>>3573989
hello UOOOHHHHHH department?