/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>3503796
Watch Nijisanji and you will get a girlfriend and hopefully marry her

>>3503796
I love women

>>3503796
now you will just hate real wamen

>>3503796
I hate mentally stable woman now.

>>3503796
Well?

>>3503796
that's not being a incel, that's just misogyny, a common trait in incels
being a incel is wanting to have sex but being unable too, so you still are one

>>3503796
I hate women without anime avatars now

You're free now OP

Hololive is just a continuation of what anime was for me. They're no different from the seiyuus that voiced my favorite anime characters in the end. I love the pretty drawing, not the ugly roommate behind it. I'll always be a 2D only man, and I'll never succumb to 3DPD.

>>3504328
Based

>he thinks normal women are relatable to endearing autists with decent voice talent who roleplay anime girls.

anon..I...

>>3504529
Did you mean "comparable"?

>>3504529
>he doesn't know

>>3504328
Well, at least the chubas have half real personalities

>>3503796
One day you're legitimately extremely sexist and a day later you realized you're just clinically obsessed with women. Now I embrace it and love women.

>>3504328
Let me you're one of those "people" who think YAGOO's holding a cue card telling them what to say?

>>3503796
This, but unironically.

>>3504718
No one thinks that, have you ever heard of improv or adlibbing?

>>3504653
Yeah, and I appreciate that sometimes. As much as I love idealized 2D girls, it's nice to have someone you can relate to. But that's about as far as I'd go.

>>3504718
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, maybe you should consider medication my friend.

>>3503796
Because of chuubas I developed fetish for old mentally ill women

>>3503796
I hate women more than ever unless they hide behind a avatar and make cute noises

>>3504793
the only medication for me is 2 lead pills to the back of your head

>>3503796
Anyone that starts supplanting their desire for love, attention, and affection with any vtuber needs to seek help. That kind of parasitic interaction is not healthy in the long run, and will just leave the person further empty and depressed, only encouraging them to continue forming unhealthy relationships with vtubers while their conscience keeps screaming that it isn't a good idea. They willingly sign up for a life of pain.

>>3504864
Welcome to idol and vtuber culture in general. It is built on suffering

>>3504864
I love my oshi and she loves me and no amount of your lies can change that

>>3504864
I'd be empty and depressed even without vtubers, at least with vtubers I can laugh and be happy while it lasts.

>>3504328
After getting into vtubers I cant really go back to anime. It sounds pedantic and convoluted but it feels fake, like Im aware that this is just some story a dude wrote and not an organic situation

>>3504864
reddit tier reply

>>3504864
Between parasocial relationship and no relationship, I'll take parasocial.

>Anyone that starts supplanting their desire for love, attention, and affection with any vtuber needs to seek help. That kind of parasitic interaction is not healthy in the long run, and will just leave the person further empty and depressed, only encouraging them to continue forming unhealthy relationships with vtubers while their conscience keeps screaming that it isn't a good idea. They willingly sign up for a life of pain.

>>3504864
It's better than an anime/manga waifu, dude. It's probably a tad healthier.

>>3503796
with you getting in to this hobby, you might as well go back to hating women because you'll never get laid

>>3520449
incel detected

>>3503796
The unfortunate truth is that it is nigh impossible to find women in real life who are like them.

>>3503796
That word does not mean what you think it means.

>>3503796
>implying coomer cartoons with pedobait voices and fake personalities have anything to do with women

>>3504864
>Implying most of the people here are going to get those things anyway
>Implying that actual women don't come with their own baggage
I say this as one of the lucky few here who has been in a relationship. The odds are so incredibly stacked against you anyway that you might as well lean on Vtubers. The dating market is fucked if you're a heterosexual man interested in anything other than one night stands, and the few women who are interested in long term relationships are best described as "damaged goods"

Say what you will about Kiara, I've been an emotional support twink for enough women to know that its less preferable than being KFP.

>>3521938
The thing about vtubers is that you never see their bad side, their down days and emotional vent and insecurity moments. You mostly see their positive and happy sides for the most part.

Being a boyfriend is in part being an emotional dumpster for the girl and I just like watching cute girls do cute things without that feeling of dread over when's the next time she's going to explode or hurt me.

>>3504043
too bad that don't exist.

>>3504095

>>3521938
Incredibly based. My condolences anon. Yeah sometimes the juice is not worth the squeeze

>>3525377
Doesn't incel literally mean "involuntarily celibate"? You can be a feminist and also an incel.

>>3525623
They are called Femcels

>>3525705
What do you call female incels then?

>>3503796
>I no longer hate women
Same except I can't stop saying "I hate women" out loud whenever a painful memory comes to mind, or I mess something up like stubbing my toe or burning food on accident.

>>3525894
Male = incel
Female = femcel

If you meant a Male that is feminist and an incel, he is still just an incel.

finding my oshi made me realize I'll still die a virgin, but for a different reason

>>3504864
Kek most people here will die virgins. It's either killing yourself, or watching vtubers and delaying killing yourself.
You normalfags tell incels to "get hobbies", incels find a hobby where they're not shunned and immediately normalfags get mad at incels.
What the fuck do normalfags want us to do?

>>3527354
>What the fuck do normalfags want us to do?
Get laid, virgin. It's EASY, so just DO IT.
There are zero barriers to you not having sex right now.
Sex will change your life for the better in every way and will make you agree with my opinions.

>>3527583
Meds

>>3527622
Meds AWAY, incel. I'm busy having a threesome with my girlfriend and your mother.

>>3527583
>There are zero barriers to you not having sex right now.
Prostitution, rape, and slavery being illegal are three big fucking barriers.

>>3504095
what's it called to be able to but not want to?

>>3504328
But those who are their boyfriends can get them to play their 2d characters in bed. You can only imagine it.

>>3528050
Regular celibate. I’ve read the word ‘volcel’ for voluntary celibate before, too.
And yes I join the thread to explain words, because I like words.

>>3527950
Prostitution is legal in a lot of places, both east and west. In America it should be legal in Nevada and even then it‘s anything but super tightly supervised since the internet made it easier. The problem in itself isn‘t even getting laid though, it‘s wanting a loving relationship, but bringing nothing to the table in terms of self care and self improvement. The truly horrible feeling of any attempt to improve your life being meaningless turns everything into a self fulfilling prophecy. And it‘s not like I am saying „just improve yourself“. Changing yourself is hard. Especially when you‘re under financial stress and simply have no time due to your job. Alternatively you have NO job and feel like shit, because societal expectations. There‘s worse ways to cope than watch an anime girl on youtube and if your oshi makes you want to be your best self more power to you. Or you could schizopost all day long, you do you.

>>3503796
It unironically has been a bit mindblowing watching women enjoy things and create, instead of constantly complaining and trying to destroy everything.

>>3522641
This 100%. Every relationship Ive been in sucked big time since I hated dealing with all that emotional baggage. With chuubas I get the good parts and none of the bad.

>>3503796
Based

>>3504864
and what are you going to do, help them?

>>3521057

>>3528229
What kind of fucked up cherry-picked, echo chamber life did you lead before chuubas?

>>3504864
feminist roastie hands typed this post

>>3528187
I was right on the verge of making it before covid jail and BLM riots destroying years of physical, mental, and social gains (went on my first date since high school in 2019). I'm in about the worst condition I've ever been in and nearing 40 to boot. My last chance was stolen from me. It's over.

>>3504328
Me too but people shit on me all the time and act like I'm the sociopath because I see roommates as voices actors and nothing more. I love that cat but her voice actor can just enjoy the success and try to not be too much of a downer.

Boys, practise some self love, develop your interests, work on personal and professional development and you'll find that you'll be alot less lonely. Even then, women are attracted to self confidence (a fine line between this and arrogance) and a man that is secure in himself. Worst case scenario, you end up alone but still loving yourself. :)

>>3528376
Presumably /r9k/. /vt/ is nu /r9k/ and you don't even have to scratch the surface much to notice.

>>3528409
It never is over anon. Love yourself.

>>3528431
How would you know? You're not a girl.

>>3528431
This is the dumbest bullshit ever written by someone who has not experienced 3 decades of crippling loneliness and the feeling of being so far disconnected from humanity that you smile when looking at gore videos on /pol because the only thing that makes you happy is watching people suffer more than you do.
What is the point of putting in effort if you're the lowest tier of human and nobody wants to keep you company? You won't love yourself because you'll still have crippling loneliness. You normalfags are killing yourself because of 1 year of experiencing THE SURFACE of what we have experienced for decades but worse.
Chuubas are the closest thing Incels pushing 40 have to human attention.

>>3528539
Why are you so certain I am not female?
>>3528581
Hahah buddy, I have been single my whole life. You have basically epitomised what I do in my spare time - watching brutal tortures and degradation just for petty entertainment. I have had many low points and I've been through this by myself. The difference between us is that I learnt to stop placing value in how others perceive me. It becomes toxic and it eats away at you. I'm far from pure, but I don't wish self loathing and a life of loneliness on anyone.

>>3528376
It's been interesting seeing the contrast in effort between your average female streamers and vtubers.
I also didn't used to believe that women could be entertaining and funny, and still believe there's good reason to believe that if you look at stand up comics who are women. Vtubers can be genuinely witty and do good improv.
Maybe it's because Western women are bogged down in a victim complex that colours
everything they see and do.

>>3528581
> Putting so much emphasis on others' perceptions that it negatively affects your life
ngmi

>>3503796
Same but it makes me hate people in general.

>>3504718
I mean they mentioned how during their first streams they have their manager on one ear to provide guidance, thats no rrat just truth

>>3521057
1. Most of them are introverted gamers who don't leave their house except when necessary
2. They hide their baggage and only show their most endearing side on stream
So chances are you'e met girls who are like them but they just don't bring any attention to themselves and won't learn their personality unless you are close to them.

>>3521938
It's still unhealthy,, but who am I to tell you that.
If you keep my oshi fed and happy that is your choice and if it makes you happy that is great.
godspeed anon

>>3504864
>Anyone that starts supplanting their desire for love, attention, and affection with any vtuber needs to seek help.
Nah, I'm good and fuck (( help)), I'll happily e,brace my mental illness even if it kills me than be a med popping zombie.
>That kind of parasitic interaction is not healthy in the long run, and will just leave the person further empty and depressed, only encouraging them to continue forming unhealthy relationships with vtubers
I dont mind getting leeched off of like that
>They willingly sign up for a life of pain.
My life is already like that so it's of no difference

>>3503796
Hololive turns me into an incel. I hate men now.

>>3528431
thanks anon, i opened up my laptop and got some studying done because of your encouragement.

>>3504328
>denial and delusion
gonna get pretty far with that combo.

>>3530001
I wish you every success, comrade.

>>3528409
never forget who took it from you.

>>3503796
I feel tricked. If this goes on like this I might actually go and get a gf. I want my wizard powers back

>Turned down sex once so I can't be classified as incel anymore.
In any case, stop thinking as yourself as someone who can't have sex and start thinking of yourself as someone who hasn't had sex yet. That small difference can really help with your self image and confidence.

>>3504864
Female hands typed this post

>>3528120
Good post, as good as a post in this thread could possibly get. Godspeed.
>>3530001
I was wrong, this is even better. Thanks anon, and may you find good people who love you.

>>3528376
It's just a matter of being on the internet. Pre-chuubas, just about every single prominent female voice on the internet spent 99% of their time criticizing media for not living up to impossible feminist standards.

Hating women doesn't make you an incel. I fuck bitches and I still hate them.

>>3531194
How's that STD working out for you, since you have to fuck homeless women? Huh, degenerate?

OP is a rigger.

>>3504043
same

>>3525377
Except he’s right you troglodyte

>>3504529
>chuuba’s
>normal women
Pick one

>>3532006
He's saying the opposite. Because chuubas are endearing autists roleplaying anime girls, you can't compare/connect them to the mindset of normal women.

>>3504864
It's all well and good you saying that, but what would you have people do? Very easy to diagnose a problem, less easy to fix one, and the broken have to have some comforts.

>>3527354
1. cure yourself of all mental disorders and emotional hangups
2. party in da club
3. travel and "find yourself" or become a manager of a JJB Sports (optional)
4. take an interest in things celebrities say, and get excited for new telephones
5. buy designer shoes
6. find a woman (any woman) and have at least a stable enough relationship that people don't think you're weird (children not required)

This thread feels like i'm posting with aliens

>>3532550
Aliens are so cool.

>>3532443
Good god, I'm glad I decided to leave the norm society and become basically hermit.

>>3504066
Being pathetic 24/7 is your routine?

>>3532550
What do you expect? You're literally posting with people who have been alienated from society. Normal people have gone absolutely crazy from dealing with one year of what posters here have been dealing with for decades, of course they'll be weird.

>>3532977
I can confirm that's literally my life.

>>3531910
That's quite the leap of logic.

>>3532977
More normalfags should have committed suicide.

They are very precious and need protect, not hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyz6q7j5wUc

>>3527583
>Get laid Virgin
You are either a master baiter, or are part of the culture that drives people to develop para-social relationships with idols and stars molded by handlers to make those para-social bonds. Sex is not the answer, finding stable relationships are. And the reality for most people is that they cannot have a stable relationship because they lack stability in a major part of their life. And if they do have stability, then they have to enter the dating world, which is scary to people who have naturally passionate emotions and a lack of a way to express them well. Getting your dick wet is not a cure.

TL;DR you are a faggot.

>>3532550
>normalfag gets confronted with the fact that modern dating has created thousands of eternal virgin outcasts who donate all their money to chuubas for 2 seconds of female attention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVDLTnQNemE

Now is the time to bloatmax

>>3541671
Literally every bottom tier man lifts now. You accomplish nothing by doing it.

>>3541797
You are fucking retarded. They all "lift" for the camera of social media but they fail to commit and get any results.

Now go fucking lift instead of being a crab in a bucket you pathetic excuse of a man.

>>3541797
I don't

>>3539072
stay there

>>3541797
>you accomplish nothing by doing it
Fucking LOL. Llifting (or any other good physical activity) does absolute wonders for your physical and mental health. Try it sometimes man - actually get into whatever sport seems interesting to you, you'll feel so much better when you get that sweet trickle of gains. It won't cure social autism or get you a gf, but who would you rather be - a bitter weakling or a demigod chadwizard?

>>3542256
What if you want to die but are too pussy to kill yourself?

>>3532550
>>3532977
Push a normalfag down into the abyss and he'll be crushed beyond recognition under the immense pressure. Pull an autist up and out of the abyss and he'll turn into a blobfish.

>>3542342
>>3539072
Stop pretending normalfags are different, incels are the exact same just inferior

>>3542373
ok normie

>>3542272
I dunno, you can probably try walking into the worst part of town with cash falling out of your pockets and yell NIGGERS as loud as you can. Would make for a nice hobby.

>>3542467
Too much effort, I'll keep living as unhealthy as possible while watching chuubas 20 hours every day and dream of what normalfags have.

isn't being an incel just giving up on life and self-worth to be a toxic drone online?

>>3530487
>when you refused to fuck a obese inbred girl at 14 and now 15 years later people call you incel online because that was literally the closest you ever got
God I wish death would take me but I suppose wasting away in front of a monitor while jap cunts do stupid noises is one step above that

>>3542772
No it's being dealt a shit card every time you work up the confidence to attempt to interact with the creatures that apparently are normies to the point that even trying is a completely pointless endeavour

>>3542772
That's what can happen as a result of being an incel

>>3542772
Incels are generally the way they are because of their genes and upbringing, neither of which they can control. Saying that being an incel is equivalent to giving up on life and self-worth is akin to saying that a paraplegic is giving up on walking. An opportunity cannot be given up if one never had it to begin with.

>>3542772
The word for that is hikkomori, or hikki for short. Incel is strictly about lack of sex.

>>3503796
Great, but that's not what incel is. If you are still a virgin, you are still an incel.
You are no longer a misogynist.

>>3528187
Prostitutes are just as bad as parasocial relationships, they leave you empty and are basically a really expensive masturbation session. Sex with no love only hurts you in the long run.
T. Somebody who overcame his prostitutes addiction and found more happiness with vtubers.

>>3544054
Escorts can also SMELL loneliness and will milk you for every cent. Chuubas are significantly cheaper.
People that tell incels to go to whores are the scum of the earth.

>>3543673
>heavily abused as a child
>heavily bullied growing up
>missed all important social milestones because I don't understand how people work
>try my best to be kind to other people so they don't suffer the way I suffered
>I'm the danger to society
I just want to go live in the mountains, away from everyone else.

>>3504043
lucky you

>>3544260
>tfw you keep trying to isolate from your friends but they all have saviour complexes and pressure you into social situations where you bomb and embarrass yourself on the regular

>>3544347
>he has friends

>>3544384
left over from highschool mostly, I'm 29

>>3544260
Pretty much this.
Also, until recently I was part of a small discord for a niche interest and I found out even they can't actually stand me and are all good friends, leaving me out of everything. I can't even make friends with other social rejects for fucks sake.
The point is vtubers never give you that shitty feeling left out or disliked, and I don't care if its unhealthy, it's all I have right now.

>>3544711
I was in that position. Now I'm in my mid thirties and have no one left. I guess there are a couple of people online I speak to now and then, but they're hardly friends, since we only talk briefly once a month or so.
Loneliness is a fucking bitch and I'm so glad vtubers exist to make everything less painful.

>>3544799
yeah they've all been bleeding off steadily as normie lives come to a head (moving for work, having kids so no spare time and such)
I expect it'll just be me and my gay friend that can't maintain a relationship to save his life within a year or two.

>>3528120
You've heard of numberfagging, now get ready for... wordfagging!

>>3544759
To be fair, the average discord group is even more toxic and menhera than normal people groups.

>>3544759
>The point is vtubers never give you that shitty feeling left out or disliked, and I don't care if its unhealthy, it's all I have right now.
Yeah, exactly. Hopefully we get waifu AI sometime soon. If every human is going to reject me, it doesn't matter how "unhealthy" depending on substitutes is. It's what I have to work with.

>>3544260
>be born a crack baby
>get diagnosed with autism, mild mental retardation and some shitncalled psychotic disorder
>due to this I couldn't talk until I was about 5
>pretty much had a shitty family, except my grandmother who practically raised me by herself
>always had gotten bullied in grade school and couldn't fight back because my mind wouldnt allow me to and let myself almost get my neck broken by some kid in biys restroom
>went through like 3 schools due to bullying and the third one I started to lash out and instigate fights with students myself because I couldn't properly cope or fight back against people who fucked with me before then
>as a result I became an asshole for all of 8th grade
>the few times I did fight back all of the teachers and principals shamed me for it and would write me up for it
>high school was pretty much a step up though I only managed to make one friend that lasted a bit outside of high school but he got married to some chick who already kids
>had a gf inhighschool but she was only with me out of pity, the moment she asked me out I knew but went with it anyways so i could experience what a relationship was like before I graduated early
>though I was too socially retarded in highschool to make friends so I always kept to myself and wandered around the campus during lunch hour
>made some online "friends" but they never really lasted and some would immediately smell out that I was weak and fucked with and I wound up just taking it
>go through college and outside of small talk with a few people and even managed to talk to a girl and got her phone number I never really did anything with in the end
>too retarded to have formed any kind of connections in college
>tfw 25
Admittedly I've fucked up and done a few retarded things myself that I havent mentioned above but regardless all of these things show me that I rightfully deserve to be alone and have no friendd

>>3545353
Part of my motivation in doing my Masters for CS and preparing grad school for AI is precisely this -- current methods of deep learning simply aren't enough to support anything resembling general intelligence. It's still something that will take me a few years to prepare, though.

>>3545572
Just start anew. Your past actions don't have to hold you back in the present or future. Looks like you already know what you want, it's now time to plan what you need to do to get those.

>>3545274
And that's the average. Some of the batshit insane ones (eg: the nazi diaper tranny server) make /vt/ look almost normal by comparison.

>>3545687
Kek this is bullshit, I'm a 38 year old incel NEET.
If you're a friendless virgin for more than a decade there's no turning back no matter what you try.

>>3504718
Hate to break it to you since you're a newfag, but the reason why its such a big deal for the girls to take a break, is because they have full time managers that watch over their live broadcast and tell them what to focus on next, specifically when it comes to paid promotional stuff

There's been many occasions where the girls state their manager is telling them they can't do X or they have to do X
Managers are also heavily present during collabs, and help guide the stream along, usually by providing talking points for the collab
During a Mel Ame collab, mel's manager had her do a japanese word pun that sounded similar to an english phrase, but Ame couldn't understand it, and had to wait for her manager to explain the pun, mel was not able to explain it well to her

When the girls take a break, they and their managers get put on sick leave, and because of nip culture, sick leave pay is very frowned upon, which is why the girls are reluctant to take time off, because it puts their managers in an embarrassing spot

>>3503843
You will never touch a boob.

>>3546032
But what about those 6 to eight hour streams? Korones 12 hour marathons can't have constant supervision.

>>3503796
I think they stopped me from going that route, I was like half-way into going racist incel and Chuubas, specifically the Holos made me drop all of that ideological shit, now I refuse to be racist or incel because that means I will lose a good chunk of women to fap to for free on the internet.

>>3527354
I used to be like you, I was an /a/utist since about 2009, in 2012 I started trying to change my life around, getting a job, interacting with people, eventually led to me suffering a lot, but through those suffering experiences I grew as a person and was able to finally learn how to talk to girls, how to get friends.
When I got my first gf, I was a retard about it and let her walk all over me, 2 years down the line and it luckily ended badly before it got to a super serious commitment, but the experience taught me how to actually be a man
Years later, after a couple awful girls, a couple jobs I wasn't okay wasting my life in, I finally got a job I was proud of, with friends that come to see me on my birthday to go out drinking, and a girlfriend now who is living with me for over 4 years.

I remember one of the biggest changes for me was when /a/ read molester man together, it was the biggest wake up for me to just put myself out there, or just suffer

>>3528229
Thank the managers
>>3528376
I take it you didn't grow up with women or date much?

>>3546170
This. The only eh part to me is that I rarely play games as much since watching them but I was already at that point prior anyways

>>3546170
I solved that paradox by remembering that the big man said that japs are honorary aryans.

>>3527354
In college I saw many weird, unattractive men still manage to get laid by joining an interest club (anime). Granted, the women they were sleeping with were questionable at best, but it is still possible.

>>3546188
>>3546334
I'm 38, I'm way past any of those things.
There's people for who it's truly over and chuubas are the only human contact they have.
Other people have described how they lose all their friends to them marrying and having kids.
Well you also reach a point where your entire family starts dying and you're completely alone.

>>3546082
That's the biggest reason why the girls are told not to
Korone has a certain level of clout that her manager has faith she won't mention chinese and american war crimes on stream, she's almost 40 years old
The younger girls aren't in the same position, it's another big reason why collabs outside the gen aren't allowed to last too long, the managers are the ones coordinating everything

For some reason, autists on here think that everything is scripted like a news anchor, when it's more like a talk show with scripted segments

One of the biggest failed segments was the Moona Kiara fight during the kiarapekora collab, the managers thought it would be great to have Moona come on during the collab and to have some fun, but pekora's audience really hated kiara for hitting moona, which is why it trended in japan on twitter
The managers took responsibility for it and just damage controlled everything to the point of not allowing them to collab with each other anymore, but constantly get told to say "everything is great, we love each other"
Moona and Kiara don't hate each other at all, but the fanbase reaction to the collab was so terrible that the managers don't want anything potentially out of hand to happen again

>>3546392
Then it's time to also find "normal" hobbies like sports or something and join an interest club like that. Or try online dating to practice talking to women.

>>3546392
My father is 61 and alone anon, my grandma is leaving his house and he is begging me to come back home because he is alone, when I live 1000's of miles away and already have a life of my own

This is the result of living a life in solitude, if you don't care about keeping friends, a wife or lover, you end up regretting everything
It's hurt me as a son, having to tell him that he needs to get out of that house and move, but he's like you, just conditioned to not do anything

>>3546401
>Korone is almost 40
Holy shit, really?
Doesn't explain why Kiara gets away with eight hour streams. She's a relative newbie.

>>3546467
Online dating is where the lowest of the low go. You'll never meet a real woman that isn't saddled with an enormous amount of baggage from online dating.
It's a combination of 600lb hamplanets looking for Prince Charming and crack whores looking for literally anyone

>>3545790
> Letting the world pummel you and control you and your future, instead of you grabbing your life by the steering wheel and doing things you value and believe needs to be done
ngmi

>>3545790
Normies can smell you aren't like them and will actively avoid you. Expect to be added to a groupchat out of pity then a second one to be formed without you in it behind your back after a few days

>>3546401
>One of the biggest failed segments was the Moona Kiara fight during the kiarapekora collab, the managers thought it would be great to have Moona come on during the collab and to have some fun, but pekora's audience really hated kiara for hitting moona, which is why it trended in japan on twitter
>The managers took responsibility for it and just damage controlled everything to the point of not allowing them to collab with each other anymore, but constantly get told to say "everything is great, we love each other"
>Moona and Kiara don't hate each other at all, but the fanbase reaction to the collab was so terrible that the managers don't want anything potentially out of hand to happen again
You have zero evidence for this.

>>3546497
Kiara is geographically isolated so had a little more freedom by virtue of not having the managers there in person

>>3546467
>>3546475
>>3546504
Not everything has a solution. This is something everyone has to come to terms with sooner or later.

>>3546545
my rrat analyzer says it's legit

>>3546502
Sounds like you're pretty low my man. Point is, it's not too late, so think of ways to actually get out to talk to people and force yourself to make a move. Even if you get rejected, it's part of the process of building confidence, until you actually find a worthwhile girl.

The biggest issue about being a gachikoi, is that the women eventually move on and forget you
Over the years I probably gave $400+ to reckful, only for him to eventually kill himself, and I'm just left with the remnants of the memories of him excitedly giggling at my dumb comments

People here think that
>well they are vtubers, they can do this forever!
Which is what Kizuna Ai attempted with the multiple VA's, and she got hit with backlash
Korone, just the other day, considered quitting streaming because of her mothers health

Every single one of these girls will eventually leave you, all the anons ITT need to come to terms with this, and recognize that gachikoi is a source of great attachment and abandonment

>>3546588
Giving up on finding a solution is how you fall into a hole of helplessness and hopelessness. Even if there is no solution, having a goal in mind helps.

>>3546613
I'm not even that guy, I'm 12 years younger than him but it's far too late by the time you're out of school to try and change that shit. You'll never meet anyone that isn't completely fucked in the head without the advantage of education forcing large groups of people together.

>>3546467
>doing things you value and believe needs to be done
That's literally the worst advice ever you could give to an incel like me whose only feeling he has left is hatred.

>>3546497
Kiara has Jenma, which is the only one who oversees her
>>3546545
>>3546600
Your opinions on this are exactly why the managers decided to do it, you guys got successfully damage controlled
Why do you think none of the hololive EN girls get to play with Coco? The managers won't let them, despite Coco talking to gura, calli and kiara all the time

>>3542256
I am too out of shape to get into anything. I just end up getting injured which further limits my ability to be active.

>>3546687
You are more than just hatred, you're just young, and wasted a lot of your life doing things that end up just making you lonelier

>>3546701
Start managing your calorie intake, actually talk to a doctor about it
Through dieting, you can lose a good 100 lbs in the first year doing very little

>>3546687
That feeling is temporary, and that's all you can do to try to improve. I hate myself too, quite often, but I try to think that even though I hate myself, I still have to try so that one day maybe I won't, and it helps a bit.

>>3546615
I already accepted this, I'm just here for the ride, one day it will be all over, like old youtube, or social media before the political correctness bots and mass reports or the voice chat and messages in XBOX which were funny as sin. I'm just gonna enjoy all of this as much as I can before it is truly over or gets regulated to hell and back.
>You will be 50 something or older and will still laugh at the remembrance of your favorite chuuba/Oshi doing something funny or cute, even if everything's long gone.
Be not afraid of the end, it's inevitable.

>>3546643
26 isn't even that old dude.

>>3504864
blow it out your ass

>>3546777
Oh wow, trips of truth for my post.

>>3546615
True, but even when the EN girls and Korone have finally left us new ones will be there for us. It won't be the same, but if anything that's like real normalfag relationships.

>>3546795
I'm on deaths door in a social sense

>>3546588
Like I said above, I was like this at 19, I have a whole sad faggot story that led me to just not giving a shit about my life anymore

Slowly, if you make positive efforts in your life, you get returns
You will feel yourself changing

>>3546588
>>3546643
You guys realize you sound just like the people in Twitter bitching about how society has hurt or oppressed them yet are doing fuck all about it other than to hate some nebulous concepts

>>3546857
I'm not like them because at least I'm not a woman and/or a nigger.

>>3546857
Unlike the twitter retards there's tangible evidence that the deck is stacked against us.

>>3546763
This, exercise determines fitness and muscle mass, but diet determines weight. All the exercising in the world cannot cause you to lose weight if you're still eating more calories than you're burning, it can only improve your fat/muscle ratio and hypothetically get you to bear-mode.
>>3546643
>>3546838
I'm nearly 29 and most of the people I hang out with on a regular basis I met post-school. One I see almost every weekend I met less than a year ago. "You can't make friends after school" is not real, you're weighing yourself down with nothing.

>>3546889
I dont think things are stacked against you. You've made yourself feel that way so you don't have to face the fact that you can change your situation because it's easier to blame external factors.

>>3546884
>>3546889
Yes, the deck is stacked against you
But you are also the result of 1000's of generations of your family creating children and enjoying life no matter how shit it was
How can you be so content with just ending that cycle, your great great grandchildren that will never be born because you thought it was too late to change

>>3546857
Niggers:
>we're so OPPRESSED by all the whites
>the government should give us niggers free money n shieeet cause we're so OPPRESSED
>we've been so OPPRESSED ever since we were born, it's not our fault we're failures!
Incels:
>we're so OPPRESSED by all the women
>the government should give us men free sex cause we're so OPPRESSED
>we've been so OPPRESSED ever since we were born, it's not our fault we're failures!
There is no difference. Women don't like you because you're whiny bitches with massive chips on your shoulder against some imaginary system you've built up in your mind to avoid actually being a likable person.

>>3547005
But then why do women crave BBC?

>>3546889
If gigachad took over your body today, he would basically be back to gigachad in 2 years. If you took over gigachad's body today, you'd be back to a your own shape in 2 years.

>>3547005
Not him, but how do you become likable?
People don't like me, but at the same time I've seen some real assholes with lots of friends and it just makes zero sense to me how genuinely awful people could be seen as great guys and how I'm somehow much worse.
Not even talking about sex/relationships, I just mean in terms of having friends.

>>3504864
I'm a virgin in my mid 20's despite doing all the meme shit like getting a good job and working out. Might as well do the vtuber cope

>>3525894
Retarded because there are a lot of desperate men who will fuck literally anything. Femcels don't exist outside of morbidly obese non-passing trannys

>>3547019
Because theyre told to by marketing agencies

>>3547034
Kek, I feel like complete shit every time I wake up for 2 hours. All my joints hurt at all times. I have trouble walking for more than 5 minutes. And I feel like I'm drowning when I try to tie my shoes.
Loving unhealthy for 2 decades is an irreversible death sentence. At least I won't suffer from crippling loneliness much longer.

>>3528431
Not having the approval of any other people is the biggest red flag for being a bad person, though. There is no such thing as "sexual/romantically active" good people and "not sexual/romantically active" good people. Sex and romance are cornerstones of a complete dynamic of human interactions and to be the type of person who misses one or both completely indicates that there is, in fact, something wrong with that person that SHOULD be addressed and rectified if possible.

>>3547005
>be nigger
>world is literally built to serve you, get jobs because of your skin tone, extra gibs, free get of jail cards, into high tier schools at reduced tuition and don't even have to pass the exams

>be incel
>world is built in such a way that if you're not a 10/10 social butterfly gigachad you're completely fucked at getting a gf, decent job or even an educaton

>>3547057
"Likeable" is more of an artificial concept. Just find the people you vibe with. Assholes attract other assholes and snakes, it's fine if you don't mesh with them it just means you're not an asshole. Party people mesh with other party people, same thing. Do the hobbies you enjoy and find people you want to surround yourself with from those hobbies or other activities like work or service.

Some cases there are things that are universally unlikeable (constantly one-upping others, anger management, etc.) but these can all be solved with classes and therapy if necessary.

>>3547019
Stop watching so much porn and being such an impressionable idiot. How many actual interracial couples do you see outside of Pornhub?

>>3547160
Every advertisement made in the past 5 years for starters.

>>3547160
>How many actual interracial couples do you see outside of Pornhub?
every single advert, every part of popular media

>>3547057
Being "an asshole" doesn't necessarily stop you from having friends as long as you can still be fun and enjoyable to be around. This is the key: you have to ask yourself, do people want you to show up? If you walk into a party, do other people have a better time because you're there? The people who have the most friends can create an enjoyable atmosphere wherever they go, and those are skills you can learn to have. Not just being better at conversations or funny etc., but learning skills that people can benefit from, like making cocktails or good snacks, cooking etc.
Obviously >>3547154 is also true and some people will naturally like you more than others, but the above skills are how you end up with something to do every single weekend and 20+ friends actively hitting YOU up to hang out.

>>3546966
>>3547005
The difference is that niggers don't view their own being as the root of the problem, instead assigning blame to ambiguous unexplainable hatred from whites. You're not really blackpilled if you can't recognise that you are fucked due to fundamental deficiencies in your own physical and mental being that result in your justified ostracisation for the sake of natural selection.

>>3503796
I dont hate w*men. I just treat them like I would with my dog

>>3546898
>"You can't make friends after school" is not real,
It's by far the easiest way to meet people. where do you go as an adult to meet people that isn't a bar?
>>3546992
>How can you be so content with just ending that cycle, your great great grandchildren that will never be born because you thought it was too late to change
saving them the same pain of life that I already have to suffer
>>3547034
>If gigachad took over your body today, he would basically be back to gigachad in 2 years. If you took over gigachad's body today, you'd be back to a your own shape in 2 years.
Implying anyone can claw their way back out of this hole, it's easy to fall, it's impossible to climb

>>3504864
Bitch, I signed up for it long ago.
I'm an ugly, weird social recluse who looks super young for his age. It's not a positive thing by the way, looking young for your age is only good for women and attractive people. All it gets me are teenagers trying to pick fights with the nerd to look tough in front of their faggot friends.
People don't like me or want to know me, I'm stuck in a shitty job I hate and my only social interactions are 4chan, a bunch of assholes on a few discord servers who barely tolerate me and vtubers.
Of fucking course its unhealthy, but its this or go completely insane/suicidal so if anything its a improvement.

>>3547160
He knows, he's just Canadian, he can't help it.

>>3547175
>>3547186
The advertisements are the result of an incredibly bureaucratized process where Human Resources suggests to depict interracial couples in order to sedate liberal academics. Normal people do not know or care about this at all.

>>3546640
Why do you think not feeling bad about a bad situation is better?
Why should people lie to themselves?
Happiness is not the end goal. True happiness is. True happiness stems from reality aligning to your desires.

For example, if you knew of a facility of slaves for life, and could not free them, but had a button to blow up the facility, would you walk away and let them live and hope some of them manage to keep themselves happy?
No. You give them relief from conditions that should not be allowed to exist.

>>3547175
>>3547186
God, you people are absolutely retarded. Actors in advertisements aren't actually in a relationship with each other. It's a marketing tactic to attract both whites and niggers at the same time. I seriously cannot believe I actually have to explain this to adults. How do you people even function?

>>3547315
>How do you people even function?
>talking to suicidal friendless incels

>>3547315
>guys it's not deliberate social engineering it's just marketing
kys kike

>>3547349
Social engineering to what end? So you can buy more their products? Yeah...

>>3547291
Never said that feeling bad about a situation is a bad thing. Completely giving up and thinking that there's no solution is. It's normal and fine to feel sadness when things are going wrong, but to wallow in it for too long only hinders you.

I watch them to try being happy in the moment, but half the time I just lay in bed afterwards depressed about how I'm a evolutionary dead end who will die alone unless I get a mail order bride (which, realistically speaking, will just result in the child failing to reproduce if they're born male)

>>3547238
>where do you go as an adult to meet people that isn't a bar?
Move around a little, live in apartment complexes and meet your neighbors. When you go to bars and restaurants, actually talk to the people who work there, get to a first-name basis with the servers and bartenders at your regular spots (or if you're older the managers/owners). Go to major events like conventions and concerts where you are guaranteed to have that interest in common with everyone there and talk to them about it.
I've met people from all of the above in the last 5 years, and if you start hanging out with them outside those contexts you'll naturally meet their friends, who can also become your friends, etc. Rinse and repeat to eventually have many friends. Of all the people I hang out with, literally a single one of them I actually went to school with, and it wasn't even high school/college, it was law school. Everyone else I met in other ways.

>>3547341

>>3547420
For a world where the average consumer is endebted for life into a system that oppresses them through over saturation of infotainment and everyone is at each other throats so much they'll never unite to depose the tehcnocratic theocracy that worships entertainment

Honestly the prospect of sex scares the shit out of me to an extreme degree. I've never jacked off in my life before until recently and after doing it made me feel dirty and impure, I dont even like touching my own dick that because of how it makes me wrong (I've rubbed it a few times mind you but still). not to mention the fact I spend more time playing video games and other more than I do porn, I have occasional porn binges maybe like once every three months but that's it and can barely maintain an erection for more than 10 seconds. Hell, I recieved my first kiss in highschool and fucked with me so bad I ran away to go cry in the parking lot because it felt like I killed a part of myself. More and more it feels like mind is telling me things like "No, don't masturbate you dont need it" with my body and brain legitimately rejecting it, "Sex and sticking it inside a woman isn't good for you" with me already hating the idea of putting inside a girl repulses me to no end as well. before any of you fuckers say/ask that I'm gay. I already examined that possibility and tried to see, turns out gays repulse me just as bad

>>3547441
>hinders you
The point is that if there's no solution, there's nothing to hinder.

>>3547420
Social engineering to increase the perceived sexual and romantic value of a relationship between a white woman and black man.

>>3547553
You're a furry.

>>3547553
What the fuck anon, you gotta unironically see a therapist or something for this shit, this is not a healthy mindset and being unable to get a boner for more than 10 seconds is not normal.

>>3547595
Nope, I hate animalfuckers too

>>3547564
Then perhaps the question you're trying to find a solution for is not a very meaningful question in the first place

>>3547553
Were you molested as a kid? That's really strange if even kissing freaks you out to that extant. I'd recommend seeing a therapist like the other anon says.

>>3547593
Yes, but to what end is such a perception valuable? It all bends back to the simple marketing of products. There is no mysterious plot against (You) trying to keep you lonely. They just want your money.

ITT

>>3546188
How old are you?
I'm almost 27, for example. It's far too fucking late for people like me.

>>3547657
suichan would never tell me to take the kike pills she understands my pain to a certain level

>>3547652
Nigger blood is easier for jews to control

>>3547466
>tfw go to gigs regularly (or rather, did, fuck covid) but heavy metal chicks are all completely insane

>>3547642
What is this meaningless word vomit trying to convey?
Sometimes you lose the game of life and are still alive to seethe about it, you're supposed to feel bad about it.

>>3547706
>almost 27
>far too fucking late
This mindset blows my mind, my fucking dad had a mid-life crisis after getting divorced and went from a D&D-playing nerd (the originalfag kind) with virtually no friends to a complete party boy who hangs out almost every single day and hosts parties of dozens of people at age 50+. He never knew any of these people when I was growing up, now you're lucky to be able to catch him free on any weekend ever. 27 isn't even close to too late.
>>3547740
Hey I never said they'd be sane anon, that does depend on the hobbies. Although d esu the more specific the hobby is the more likely everyone in it is somewhat crazy.

>incel
>incel
>incel
>incel
/vt/ truly is the reddit tourism board of 4chan

>>3547651
Nope I was not molested as a kid. That being said there were instances in highschool (way before the kiss incident happened) where one junior was constantly flirting with me, saying shit how she wanted to kiss me and gargle my balls, one day she screwing around about kissing and I decided to humor her so she'd shut up and when I got closer to her I freaked out and told her to get the fuck away from me and called her a skank. Other time was a girl giving me a love note in class and I got mad at it enough (cant remember why, I think I was focusing on class work or something that day) that I came to her, ripped the note in pieces in front of her and said "I dont like you and never will, get it through your damn head". After that the ending bell rang and I went home, supposedly the girl broke down crying after I left according to a friend

>>3547626
Meh, I've always had this kinda way of thinking for a long time and it's probably mixed with some other things I liked such as getting stabbed and kidnapped by girls + weird dreams of getting possessed, genderbent, used as a human sacrifice, etc. by said girls. Didnt even know any of those things were fetishes since I had them since childhood

>>3547814
interacting with women irl just made me hate them more ngl I only want a perfect anime grille real girls are awful

>>3547857
>a girl giving me a love note in class and I got mad at it ... I came to her, ripped the note in pieces in front of her and said "I dont like you and never will, get it through your damn head"
You got some real fuckin issues, anon, this is just genuinely mean and hurtful for no reason. And why would you freak out instead of just kissing the girl who said she wanted to kiss you? I cannot understand what could have been going through your mind in either of these situations at all, your way of thinking is utterly insane to me.

>>3547962
the letter thing i legitimately have no clue and to be honest with you i somewhat blacked out at some point with me only really remembering me coming up to her and me leaving to go home. my friend had to fill in some of the blanks for me. the other incident was more on me not being able to handle getting teased like that (i think)

>>3547441
>when things are going wrong
This is the thing. Normalfags have this idea that life is inherently good to some degree and assume that if someone is depressed, they're just at a bad point in their life. In my opinion, the ability to identify a particular time in your life as a "low point" compared to the rest is an incredible privilege. There's no one part of my life I can really call the worst; it's always been total, utter shit. From being bullied relentlessly at school, to being taken out and left to rot in isolation for almost a decade while my parents destroyed each other, to dropping out of college after becoming suicidal due to the sheer shock of reentering society after years of zero human interaction and subsequent inability to fucntion in a social setting. No practical or social knowledge, no skills, no connection to the outside world, no future, entire youth wasted doing nothing with nobody, and justifiably no motivation to do anything other than focus on literally useless, autistic obsessions all day. And of course, tranny-tier looks and extreme autism on top of that.

Now I'm "only" 21. But really, it's not age that determines what you're capable of. It's the opportunities you've been given that do. Some people were just not given a chance to live or be happy in the first place. THAT is the reality.

>>3544711
Keep them but instead of going to social situations, tell them you just wanna go with 1 or 2 people to their house, stay there and watch a movie / play vidya / watch internet videos, and have a drink or a meal, that easies the social retardation and alleviates the brain's need for interaction for like a month, so you will feel more at ease in the future.

>>3541797
DO YOU EVEN LIFT?

>>3547186
You've clearly never been to a welfare office, Cici's Pizza, or restraining order day at a county courthouse.

>>3548039
Again, this is completely nuts and not normal. You blacked out from sheer rage at receiving a fucking love letter? How does that not sound literally insane to you? You probably created the single worst memory of a young girl's life and crushed her self-esteem maybe forever because of a letter. Get some help, for real.

>>3544347
those people will do it to make themselves feel better, they don't care about you (or they care a little).

Hololive showed me that women can be beautiful goddes and good people, but most decide to be a monster bitch so My misogyny increased like My love for the holos

>>3548492
>You probably created the single worst memory of a young girl's life and crushed her self-esteem maybe forever because of a letter.
extremely based

>>3546475
Tell your dad to web search MGTOW and hopefully he'll gain his balls back and stop being a bitch.

>>3542256
>a bitter weakling or a demigod chadwizard?
Neither, they're equally bad.

>>3548524
that's literally what I said, it's just a case of "we should invite anon he's such a fucking loser we'll be the good guys" and it's starting to get to me

>>3547814
>nerd
>dad
Apparently not enough of a nerd to not have sex

>OP says there's this group of people who will never be loved by a woman
>filled with people telling them about all the other stuff they could do to avoid having to agree with OP
Incredible
If you don't have a solution for the people here on how to almost certainly find a loving sexually active relationship with a woman, your posts are useless and you aren't helping, you're quite literally pushing them deeper into the hole by trying to push back against them by offering stuff they don't want.

>>3548293
Your genetics and upbringing determine your starting point once you're on your own, but from there you have a lot of choices. Life is indeed not fair, some people reach adulthood with a great life already set up for them while others get there in a hole they have to dig themselves out of. Sounds like your start was pretty shit and I'm sorry to hear it, but your path from there is yours to choose. Even if it takes another 21 years to make up for it and do for yourself all the things your parents and your schools should have done for you, you could be 42 years old in better shape than you are now, maybe even good, or 42 years old and in exactly the same shape you're in now; that much is up to you.
You speak of privilege and not appreciating what you have, but even having the faculties to have a job and be independent is worth not taking for granted. There are people with conditions so bad they'll never be able to live on their own and will always be at the mercy of their parents, and eventually some heartless state facility. They have no hope and no future, but you still could.

>>3548492
eh, she's fine, last i heard she got married with someone and living relatively alright. i think a week after that happened she moved schools apparent but i had the stomach flu so i was out that entire week

>>3548793
>If you don't have a solution for the people here on how to almost certainly find a loving sexually active relationship with a woman, your posts are useless
Almost like the world isn't nearly this black-and-white and while there is no foolproof secret there are many things you can do to improve your chances.

>>3548873
>i think a week after that happened she moved schools
Confirmed she was fucked up, so obliterated by this madman with an irrational hatred of human affection that she had to leave the school.

I'm a 30 year old KHHV, if I "man up and be myself" would things improve?

>>3548986
Kind of, but it's not as simple as "be yourself lmao." You have to actually work at being a better person who makes other people's lives better and who they enjoy being around, AND actively seek out dating/sex if that's what you're after.

>>3548936
Sounds based to me. 3Ds are fucking awful and considering what a comparitively easy time girls get when it comes to relationships knowing a few out there have to deal with a harsh level of rejection typically reserved for men makes me feel slightly better.

>>3548838
>if you put in a huge effort now maybe by the time you're in your 40s you can get some damaged goods 4 times divorced gf to suck what little life you have left out of you

>>3548936
again, ishe's fine if she was able to get over it and get married to someone. If she were to have killed herself or some such due that it would suck but it is what it is

>>3549252
if she'd killed herself we'd be one step closer to perfection as a species

>>3547553
I kind of feel this way too, but in my case its probably because my worst bullies were girls who were total assholes towards me. Eventually the guys started being kinda cool, but women have almost always been cunts for some reason and its left me with a sheer sense of disgust towards the idea of intimacy with them. Luckily, I've never been shown any affection by them so I don't need to deal with it.
Also, not into guys either, I like 2D for reasons I don't understand.

>>3549303
2D is the image of a woman without the disgusting reality is the personality

>>3549223
Hey, like I said where you want to go is up to you. Maybe it's not even getting a gf, but just a decent house, a job you don't hate, and some bros you can hang out with. Maybe someday you CAN look back on a "low point" and be able to say life is better than it used to be. Even if it's not what you wanted or what it could have been, that's still something.

>>3527354
The average normalfag won't really care about your hobbies. From my experience, they're actually really nonjudgmental, and in fact tend to like it when you show genuine enthusiasm for something, whatever it is.
>What the fuck do normalfags want us to do?
No person in their right mind goes into 4chan to waste their time trying to "teach" people what to do. The people who come here to harp on about "incels", "schizos", "virgins" or whatever just want to feel superior. They don't want you to do anything and have no real insight to give, they just want a feeling of reassurance; i.e. "wow, I'm sure better than these guys".

My personal guess is that they're failed normalfags. You know, the kind of guy who's always trying to get laid but sucks at it. Gets laid once out of a hundred tries, then comes here to "give advice" as if he were an expert on anything but being ghosted.

The alternative is that they REALLY think they have any business telling other people what to do, which is just as pathetic, if not more so.

>>3530487
True.
T. Former monster virgin

>>3549362
Shutup nigger.

Conform to the culture or gb2 reddit

>>3541797
>Literally every bottom tier man lifts now.
Do you?

>>3548545
>>3549271
>>3549223
>>3549310
>deleted
literally why

>>3549362
>No person in their right mind goes into 4chan to waste their time trying to "teach" people what to do.
I've been here for over 12 years and reached a relatively successful normalfag existence, I just want all other anons to be happy.

>>3549491
They all dropped at the same time, poster probably got banned for excessive off-topic posting. Friendly remainder to always sage when posting off-topic.

> tfw too much of an unsuccessful poorfag to attract any women

>>3549491
Butt blasted jannies defending women from evil incels

>>3549499
Shut up

>>3548884
Stop talking about other shit, then. Stop pretending that other aspects of self improvement are worthwhile, it detracts from literally every other point you make about the actual goal.
If you were brave enough to tell people that if they fail they should commit suicide, you'd help far more.

Stop telling people to develop Stockholm Syndrome for reality.

>>3549499
Unfortunately, what works for one person might not work for another. And in the end, if you’re telling people what they are doing is wrong, it will frustrate them in general and make them feel worse about themselves. All 4chan does is let people vent about how terrible things are and take comfort in the fact you aren’t the only one suffering. It’s not a place people can get better.

>>3548838
Yeah, it's true that there are countless people out there with worse luck than me. I think hopelessness comes in different forms, and that just because something is theoretically possible, doesn't mean it's practically possible. Like, it's theoretically possible for me to have unpaid sex because women exist in my area, but it's still never going to actually happen.

But I understand your point. If one is to live anyway, why shouldn't they do as much as they can to improve that life while they have it, regardless of anything else? If you have any interest in living, it's sound logic. As for me, once vtubing dies I'll most likely be taking myself along with it in the interval between its fall and the emergence of the next big cope.

>>3528120
Please anon, you're lost
the based deparment is that way.

>>3503796

hating women has nothing to do with being an incel. You can not truly hate them until you have had sex with many of them, lived with them, dated, them, etc.

>>3550441
There's more to life than finding women and having sex, anon.

>>3504718
Anon please they're clearly using an earpiece

>>3550601
It’s just easier to imagine since when people look around at people who seem to have happy lives, sex is the thing they have in common. Finding something that makes you enjoy life might be impossible for most people. That might end up feeling hopeless, so thinking having sex solves it at least gives them something to shoot for.

>>3521057
pain

>>3550601
Stop telling people how they should feel. It's not your place, and nobody asked. You make things worse.

>>3548293
Life isn't inherently good, nor is it inherently bad. It's neutral and has its ups and downs, and sometimes those low points last a very, very long time. But as with most things, it's temporary, especially if you have an able body to change things

>>3551027
You're already letting society and the sexual marketplace dictate how you feel, which is feeling like shit.

Obviously it's your decision if you choose to let it affect you that way, but claiming "there is no solution / any other way" is unironically wrong.

>>3551174
I will never be such an inhuman pile of trash that I would forget that other people's opinions of me matter more than my own.

Happiness is not the goal of life. Apotheosis is.

>>3551174
Why is it so hard for people like you to accept that some people are born to lose. Everyone can't be a winner or find happiness, it's statistically impossible for everyone to find someone.

There's nothing wrong with grasping at what little happiness you can find, even if it's a vtuber's facad.

>>3551238
The people who don't try are also statistically less likely to succeed, your point?

>>3551273
That it would make no difference if they did try, or they did try and decided to give up, can you read?

>>3551273
>statistically less likely
0% is not any less likely than 0%

>>3548293
I'm 26 and it doesn't get better. I wish I'd killed myself earlier. Every time I remember my place in this world I feel such a deep, seething hatred that the world is allowed to exist in this state. I want it to burn. I want to kill as many happy people as I can. I want to remind them that they didn't earn a single thing as I watch them bleed.

>>3549657
Jannies aren't human.

>>3551357
Based tbdesu. I've of course had similar thoughts myself. No idea how I'd ever go about it in my gunless country though.

so u are telling me that all you retards get more affected by loneliness with the years instead of getting used to it?

>>3503796
You do know hololive girls are all just playing characters, right? IRL they are the same as the women you always hated.

Except for maybe Matsuri who is basically a man trapped in a girl´s body.

>>3551357
26 is still so young... even if you have lost faith in yourself, I believe in you. It isnt worth much, but I do pray for your happiness. Life is often full of suffering, but we are the ones who make a reason for ourselves to live... good luck man

>>3552457
proof?

>>3552299
Most of them are reaching their 20s when their body starts screaming for SEX SEX SEX.

>>3552457
>girls irl that i hate are lolicons

oh fuck, that's pretty hot

>>3547553
Are your parents religious puritans who told you sexual thoughts are from the devil?

>>3552299
Yes. Don't let the lucky few who get immunized to it tell you otherwise. Humans are made for sexually active companionship by design. Without it, they begin to break down psychologically. Why do you think the body is programmed to fail sexually as well as mentally with age?

>>3546795
26 is ancient for a person in my position. I've gone through ever chance I'll ever have at a normal life, and have nothing to look forward to that I could attain without reaping its rewards when I'm past the age I can enjoy it at.

>>3504864
You're right, but you should still shut up about it. Let me live my delusions in peace.

>>3551357
Shoot yourself then.

>>3552991
i was referring to 25+ years old anons who call themselves hopeless and irredeemable depressed.

>>3553118
>Humans are made for sexually active companionship by design
>Why do you think the body is programmed to fail sexually as well as mentally with age?
would that suggest the opposite?
also im a 28 years old virgin and my only worry is getting sick due to my unhealthy lifestyle,
life can be enjoyed in solitude.

>>3552299
From time to time normalfags drop in, lonely after multiple failures at relationships that may have been their own fault or not, thinking they are in good company.

>>3551357
>I feel such a deep, seething hatred that the world is allowed to exist in this state.
>I want to kill as many happy people as I can.
To do what, bring it to an even worse state? Why do you think this world is unjust in the first place? Those aren't rhetorical questions, I sincerely want to know your answers.

>sees a chicken
>"KIARA!"
Every time.

>>3504864
Hello Mr Anno, how is that Ulraman movie going?
Now, assuming you aren´t baiting, what people like you fail to understand when you post stuff like that, is assuming that all people who cling to escapism are doing it out of choice.
Some people are not choosing to form fake relationships over real ones, they just simply CAN´T form real relationships, and escapism is all they have left.
Telling them stuff like this does nothing, telling them "uh, you would be happier if you had real gf" won´t change their mind about anything because they KNOW they can´t get a gf even if they tried.

>>3552457
In my opinion, just a few years go westerners looked down upon gaming and otaku hobbies as childish interests which just exacerbated for normal people that much harder to admit they are otaku and like gaming etc, even worse with women. That's why I have rarely seen genuine female streamers who streamed games before the vtuber boom. But with Japan, I have seen numerous female streamers that could play games competently before vtubing was getting popular. So, no I blame all this negativity in western mindset that keeps asserting that otaku activities are inferior hobbies and anyone that are otaku are creepy incels, etc.

>>3554722
>So, no I blame all this negativity in western mindset that keeps asserting that otaku activities are inferior hobbies and anyone that are otaku are creepy incels, etc.
not just otaku activities but anything that doesnt fit whatever qualifications they have

>>3547005
Niggers ARE getting free money and shit though.

>>3554207
The world is unjust because DNA uses its hosts for meaningless, thoughtless propagation and its failures are doomed to a life of suffering and agony, whether a short life or a long life, through no choice of their own. And people are conditioned to be content with this, because it's "how it is". Content with unmitigated suffering. Content with the deprivation of basic human decency and dignity for millions. Content with people not being able to have in their lives what is needed to be fully formed human beings.

I am tired of half-way good and shades of gray. If the world cannot be good, it doesn't deserve to exist at all. I'm tired of people justifying misery and moving past it and finding peace with suffering and pain and death and scarcity and hunger and sickness just because they don't give a shit about the people left behind. They only care about the people that were like them, the ones who just fell off the wagon a little. But the people born wrong, raised wrong, never had a fucking chance. There was never hope for people like me, never meaning. Just a bunch of platitudes and self-content assholes more than glad to say whatever they can to smooth out the wrinkled edges of a fucked up species that constantly churns through its weakest links through abandonment, mental anguish, and deprivation of basic necessities. Weak links seen as barely more than animals, especially when they're weak links socially. Sometimes less than animals. I hate all of you more than you can imagine. I hate the fact that the human mind was built for me to only be capable of being a true human being when it has sexual companionship. I hate the fact that I need the cynical, cutt-throat monsters that make up the rest of mankind to survive or be happy or even think straight. Fuck all of you for you vapid, pointless, useless suggestions, fuck all of you for the help you will never provide, fuck all of you for your sense of pride for things you did nothing to earn as you come here to look down upon pain and misery and shame and exit the front door telling yourself smugly that it doesn't matter and to move on with your life, fuck you for your disassociation and your revulsion and your apathy and your "balanced" approached to other people where you erect wall after wall to make sure they can never feel even a lick of genuine human emotion directed at them, never an ounce of fucking love because that would require you to actually become emotionally invested in and potentially risk your own mental stability for the sake of a living breathing person that you revile, that you wouldn't even consider human. I hate all of you for every fucked up interactions you try to portray to show up your moral superiority while you already sit at the top of the mountain, and I hate you when you tell it straight and say you don't give a shit; we already knew regardless of whether you say it or not that your lucky ass personality is tied to your lucky ass brain and lucky ass body and lucky ass series of events and that you use your glide through life as a cudgel with which to beat the people below you into actually trying to be content with being lesser than you and lesser even than those above you. This world is cruel, unjust, broken, evil, and it molded most of mankind into a carbon fucking copy of its characteristics because they've been mind-broken into closeted sociopaths out of a desire to survive longer than the insignificant people beneath them on the totem pole.

Now go tell my post is too long already so we can move past this retarded dance of you pretending you
>sincerely want to know your answers.

The only reason I haven't killed myself is that it would make my mom sad and korosan making dumb noises is the sole solace I can take in this miserable life until my mom dies of natural causes and I can finally end it without worrying about her

>>3559615
This is delusional. No perspective. Go outside and meet people.

>>3559615
I was not pretending anon, I read the entire thing. Thank you for replying. I'll respond to what stuck out to me the most:

>The world is unjust because DNA uses its hosts for meaningless, thoughtless propagation
There is no inherent meaning or thought to propagation, I fully agree. To take that even further, there is no inherent meaning to anything, because the concept of "meaning" is made up by humans; it is purely subjective. There is no inherent meaning to what you are reading right now - everything I'm writing is ultimately just a series of lines on a screen - but despite this, you don't curse words as "meaningless," do you? You have assigned meaning to them - or rather, others have given you a meaning for words, and you accepted their meanings without resistance, allowing them to take root. I cannot tell you who or what to turn to, but I hope you can release some of your resistance and give a meaning to human life in the same way.

>And people are conditioned to be content with this, because it's "how it is". Content with unmitigated suffering.
Just because people choose to live on in a blatantly flawed world does not mean they are content with its every flaw. You correctly say that the world is unjust, that some people are less powerful than others, but have you considered how much power the average person has? Is it enough to lessen the suffering in the world by any noticeable degree? The problem is not satisfaction with the way things are; it is the powerlessness of individuals to fully understand and change the world. But the situation isn't hopeless; there exist solutions to this powerlessness in organized political action. That's a much, much larger conversation though, and the one we are having is already large enough.

>I am tired of half-way good and shades of gray. If the world cannot be good, it doesn't deserve to exist at all.
A fully perfect world does not exist, not even theoretically, despite what you may think. It is fully, demonstrably unattainable. If you don't believe me, look up "Gaunilo's lost island argument" - I was going to try to explain it myself, but he did a better job. The impossibility of perfection does not mean that the world should be destroyed. It means your standard for judging the world are flawed.

Finally,
>This world is cruel, unjust, broken, evil, and it molded most of mankind into a carbon fucking copy of its characteristics
People definitely do reflect the attributes of the world they grew up in. But you neglect to mention any of the positive characteristics here, despite acknowledging that some exist with the "half-way good" comment earlier. Why? Once again, this is a sincere question, though I'm not necessarily asking you to your answer. I doubt I'll be able to get back to this thread for a while, if I'm able to at all. Just think about it, if I can ask that of you.

>>3559615

it's okay to press enter

>>3528050
Homosexual

>>3559615
Ok

>>3543673
This self-pity is pathetic. Make something of yourself, life is long. Make your own opportunities instead of expecting them to come to you. Nothing is going to change if you're going to sit around crying about it all your life

>>3503796
You're just a simpleminded oaf if you somehow see Vtubers as anything but a trend for roastie whores to hop on the paypig bux train.

>>3554722
>So, no I blame all this negativity in western mindset that keeps asserting that otaku activities are inferior hobbies and anyone that are otaku are creepy incels, etc.
You're wrong, naive, and a bit retarded. The west glorifies nerd culture intensely to the point of being mainstream, whereas the consumerist otaku youth of Japan are still at odds with the fundamentally conservative Japanese society. Otaku culture has the same exact stigma in the East as nerd culture in the west had in the fucking 60s.

>>3565565
Good post but you are in the wrong board, friend. We only argue about pointless shit and stir up drama about cute anime girls here. For blogposting, Go to /lit/.

>>3566318
Only recently and it is to reform it to their interests just like what happened to Star Wars. Before 2010, I bet nobody admitted they liked Star Wars.
> in the fucking 60s.
Try 00's.
>whereas the consumerist otaku youth of Japan are still at odds with the fundamentally conservative Japanese society.
Sounds like someone that has never been to Japan. Sure Japan in general just like rest of the world look down on otaku, but they have places just for otaku to go and big manga industry compared to that, West doesn't have such luxuries.

>>3566036
I've dedicated my life to getting to positions of power and denying women and niggers of opportunities.

>>3566764
Forgot to add the image I added is what I'm complaining about, the source of what nerds were frustrated about. The way normies perceive the otaku activities were not positive until 2010 in the west. In contrast, Japan for all its conservative politics and that gave otaku more breathing room. If they wanted, they could have banned Maid cafe and Doujinshi festival, they don't. West would have banned them if they existed in the west. Australia would for fucking sure, don't know about America or Canada.

>>3559615
First, use paragraphs if you write a novel.
Now that we got that out of the way, let's talk.

>The world is unjust because DNA uses its hosts for meaningless, thoughtless propagation
tru
>Content with unmitigated suffering
false
>Content with the deprivation of basic human decency and dignity for millions.
You can't start off with materialistic truths about DNA and then go all ethereal on me. Dignity and decency are pretty flimsy concepts and as subjective as it's get
>Content with people not being able to have in their lives what is needed to be fully formed human beings.
What constitutes being a fully formed human being?
The Junky doesn't mind he's sitting in the gutter and has no friends nor place to sleep,
He's on fucking cloud nine for the duration of his trip, content or euphoric In a way normally not attainable by even the most fullfilled of abstaining adults.
>If the world cannot be good, it doesn't deserve to exist at all
But it still does and still will.

>I'm tired of people justifying misery and moving past it and finding peace with suffering and pain and death and scarcity and hunger and sickness just because they don't give a shit about the people left behind.

We might reach a common ground here. The first original sin of human interaction is hypocrisy and it shows every time a champagne sipping burgie advocates for socialism because poverty, while he's nothing but disgust for the woes, personality, interests and politics of the low income working class.

Sorry, I might got a bit distracted here.

> I hate the fact that I need the cynical, cutt-throat monsters that make up the rest of mankind to survive or be happy or even think straight.

When they cutdown the forest near my place of birth I wept for every tree. When I was a teenager they bullied a random schoolkid while I was on the way to the trainstation I intervened and almost got shanked for it by the bullies older brother.
I'm doing voluntary work in an animal shelter even though I'm 11 hours at my job including commute.
You'd still hate me if you knew my politics or ethics.
You need to get perspective, friend.
The self-centered of the people you hate isn't theirs alone, It's also your own.
Exhibit a:
>Weak links seen as barely more than animals, especially when they're weak links socially. Sometimes less than animals.

As a friend of all things breathing I feel hurt whenever someone says such a thing,
because it reveals what they truly think about the nonhuman inhabitants of this planet. But If i'd hate everyone who uttered it,
I'd not only be alone, but also as miserable as you sound. I already came as close as your post reads to shooting up a school back in the day. Granted, through different reasoning, but the conclusion was the same.
I used to say "If It'd kill every human on the entire planet, I'd shoot myself without batting an eye."
What changed?
I only experienced mankind at their worst until a lucky coincidence opened the door for me to experience them at their best. I never truly belonged but I got to be part of genuine, true human interaction. How I always wanted the world to be.
Lots of gay ass hugs, lots of gay ass charity, lots of gay ass friendship. It did not matter if you were disfigured, on any spectrum, fat, unsocial. No condescending assholes involved.
Besides all the fluff, there was still respect, and if you made an ass of yourself you were told, kind, mind you, that you can do better, even if you were on the spectrum.

Something changed.

I stopped rooting against humanity and actively began trying to improve it. I'm now a (trans)humanist. Humanity can do better and should do so, even if it requires changing our DNA, but nothing in this world deserves complete extinction. Nothing in this world deserves anything, honestly.

But as a self centered human with self centered ethics and self centered causes I'm egotistical and presumptuous enough to try and force my delusions unto others, because delusions is all everyone else has, too.
tl;dr: A change of perspective can do wonders, even to you.

>>3504864
Holy based look at all the retarded parasocial fag replies seething. the moment people thought of this as more then entertainment is when vtubing started to go downhill

>>3567267
t. Normalfag

>>3559615
holy shit I thought I was on /r9k/ right now. Unironically seek Jesus man. It might help

>>3567327
t. Former R9Kfag that stopped wallowing in self pity.
It's not that hard to improve yourself. you just have to actually try. Also why the fuck is this thread still up? nothing to do with vtubers. You guys should go back to your containment board and stop ruining vtubers with your GFE parasocial bullshit

>>3527583
>get laid
how about kill yourself?

>>3567378
>just try bro
go back to lereddit
And this is chuuba related, they're the only things stopping us from killing ourselves.

>>3567378
>former R9K
>R9K
no you aren't

>>3565565
Postmodernism is a cancer failures and usurpers use to justify their sicknesses. Bow before a morality not of your own making, one that is inconvenient to follow, one that allows for failure states. Kneel before it even as you remain fully aware of its creation and hammer it into the world until you impose a concrete will onto the world. Subjectivity is a foolish lack of a path for fools to bumble around in the dark with.

Saving the world is all well and good, but loneliness is deeper than that. It's deeper than hunger. It's deeper than anything physical. Human relationships are the way we define ourselves and our roles in the great play of life. And if you don't have love, and sex- you will always be a side character. You can be as compelling as you want. You can do great things. But the man people know is the grounded man, the earthly man. The one who cements himself in the minds of woman as a prime candidate, satisfying one of the most basic primal instincts one human can have for another of their value. When a woman gives herself to you, body and soul, as a man, you have been truly given a moment of apotheosis, because you have just now been validated with approval for an act that lies intricately tied with allowing you to make more of yourself with another persons deepest, most primal approval. Sex with a woman that loves you is the deepest love any can feel, ever. It is what makes the soul what it is, wherever it exists, and without it, it withers, until you become a machine who has lost the fucking plot.

There is a reason no truly beloved great men of sound mind, great conquest, and happy story lived as sexless hermits. And they never will. Because sex, love, and romance affirms something deeper than anything else could. It is a requirement to know who you truly are, even if you don't realize it.

>>3567372
I will not be "helped" until I feel the love of a woman.
I am not going to cope with my celibacy.
I am not going to become okay with it.
I am not going to calm down.
I am not going to be happy with mediocrity.
I am not going to accept inferiority.
I am not going to simply accept my failures and live with them.
I will not become a machine.

I refuse to be a clump of stardust animated by neural electricity. I am alive. I am lonely. I am a human. Humans need love and sex to function, and I have neither. But at least I know the truth.

>>3567378
Cope. We will always be here, and we have nothing in the world we enjoy, so we spend it on chuubas and other things to reinforce GFE.
You will not take it away from us.

>>3567551
just build up your virtue. If you really want to escape from the despair that is modernism, seek things that would make you a virtuous man. You won't find that while sulking about things you don't control nor will never control on 4chan

>>3567226
And you will still never be acknowledged as a complete human being by anybody other than yourself.
You're wrong, by the way. You only have your delusions.
The people who make it? They fall in line with the delusions of the rest of the world. Post-modernism and all other ideologies that promise you complete autonomy over a moral road are the same as having no moral road, no matter how you might choose to dress it up.
Your failure to lock yourself to a standard you might not agree with is just an aspect of your weakness, your weakness as a human being to accept that you have failed, that you have not been chosen by humanity in its fullest sense to be considered as, and dignified as, a human being.

Subjective morality is, was, and will always be just a cope of failures and rejects. You will be a slave to a system that will churn your body, mind, and soul to bits, freely using the products of your labor to allow other men the capacity for self-actualization.

And you've deluded yourself into thinking you've actually done something
You haven't. You've just been broken. And the people on the other side? They're laughing at us. They're laughing because they know they've won. They go home to a warm bed with a person that loves them, their souls and minds entwined and connected in a way you or I will never know, and it is through this that they have been actualized human beings who know their truest worth and place in the world. Meanwhile, you are just a cuck.

>>3503796
ok tranny

>>3567677
I told you what virtue was. It is being an individual who has claimed the truest acknowledgement of the validity of them being a human by a woman, through voluntary romantic sex.
I cannot 'seek' it if it is impossible.

>>3567677
And here at least I can protect ths last hope I have of ever feeling even slightly human by keeping myself involved in the crazy codependent reciprocal parasocial relationships offered by women whose past and current lives are well documented and easy to research to validate my investment.
Hololive hikki codependent mutual parasocial relationships that I unicorn for is all I have left, and I will fight tooth and nail as bitterly as possible to protect it from taint.

>>3563527
You don't know shit about people except for the lies you tell yourself, or other people, or both.

>>3567752
>They go home to a warm bed with a person that loves them
More often then not, love doesn't last for these people. Women are more depressed than ever, 15 year olds are on antidepressants these days.

Submission to the biggest narrative doesn't correlate with happiness, friend.
I don't know where you live, but if it is a lockdown state, then consider the following:
They got to feel what you've endured your entire life for a year and are already going crazy. Somehow thinking the powers that be will give everything they took from them back if only they take the vaccine.
And now they fake, lie and skip the line just to get the stupid vaccine first.
It was hard to observe all this and still holding on to my transhumanist ideals, even the upper class looks like hysteric slaves right now.

I have not been broken, I just turned my sight to what truly matters, creating a better future for every living thing capable of happiness.
But if nothing else, It showed them that they're weaker than a shut-in. And you how fragile the people you thought unattainable really are.
Is this what dignity and self-actualization looks like to you?
Then I can only repeat my words: a shift of perspective could do wonders.

>>3553724
No. I won't give you or anybody else the satisfaction of a slightly more convenient life. I'm going to be petulant, petty, self-righteous, egocentric, selfish, indignant, and I don't fucking care what that means. I'm going to push and scream and claw and bite and tear everywhere I can

I don't give a fuck if I do damage or if I do anything at all but I'm going to do everything I can to hurt and destroy and tear you fuckers down. I will break anything I can and that in and of itself doesn't bring me any joy but it ignites the last feeling left in me that I enjoy when I come back to reality, the sense of anger at your fucking lives going alright. As long as I tear into the fucking eyes of even one innocent, happy person, I will make them acknowledge me, I'll make them see me.

I'm not going to be a ghost. And my humanity has been denied to me by you people. I've become invalid. But I won't become invisible.
Because I fucking hate you. It hurts every day of my life to hate you this much but I will keep fucking hating you and I'll keep trying to hurt people no matter how much it fucking tears me up inside because I will not delude myself into thinking I can be considered human without ever having a romance and sex life, and I won't let you ignore me without lashing out.

I don't care about being a statistic. I've been defined as a monster not deserving of what a true human needs to be defined as such, so my other choices are slave, monster, or corpse, and I'm gonna be a corpse anyway at some point, so I'm gonna be as much of a monster as I can be until then.

Because I fucking hate you.

>>3567970
You have become a machine fit for nothing but use by another. Don't presume yourself stronger than them because you have lost touch with your capacity to feel loss within your soul.
>More often then not, love doesn't last for these people. Women are more depressed than ever, 15 year olds are on antidepressants these days.
It doesn't have to. Even the knowledge of knowing that you are among those who are acknowledged by the greater entity of humanity is enough. Because to ever have something like that, you must be worthy. And if you are worthy, you are worthy. There are no take-backs. And if you aren't? You aren't.

You're a slave. A cuck. A tool. You mewl vapidly at a feigned sense of purpose, servitude for a species you have been ostracized from.
I won't become their complacent little worker bee. I will not bow to a species that rejects me.
But you can die a slave if you want.

>>3568060
A human without a lovelife I am, but not without friends who supported me in the most dire of times. As I did for them, they gave back with a ribbon wrapped around it.
Being undesirable to the other sex might not be your choice, but being a monster is. You could be a well respected man in your community, someone who will not be lowered into the ground without as much as a single tear falling instead.
But what kind of monster are you, cause all I see before me is a slave to the pussy.

>>3568163
Womans sex drives and love are the gatekeepers of codifying human value.
You can tell yourself a million times over that you live life to your rules. It doesn't change that there is the platonic ideal of what a MAN is. And you are either a man, a woman, or not human.
>You could be a well respected man in your community, someone who will not be lowered into the ground without as much as a single tear falling instead.
A bunch of fake tears of fake people who know deep in their hearts with every single interaction with people like you and me that they are BETTER than you or me, and they treat you like it.

You can be the lowliest peasant, and meet a eunech who has saved millions. And you will be eternally grateful for his existence. Because of how he served you, as your lesser, while you had sex and love and he had none. Because people do not love you for being a good person. Women love men for being good men, and vice versa.

You say pussy all you want. That pussy is the difference between a man who is a MAN, and a man who is a worm. And everybody knows it. I sure as hell do. I sure as hell know how the story goes each and every time, what happens when that casket is lowered, who truly mattered in the end, and it isn't the fucking sexless virgin who saved lives, it's the lives he saved that end up loving and fucking.

I will not martyr myself for an entire species that despises me enough to exclude me from its most basic methods of validation.
I will keep my dignity. I will keep my sense of self. I will keep my sense of self-worth. I will remember what should have been a birthright, and what wasn't, and what that means.

And at the end of the day, I won't die serving something that hates me. No matter how hard you work, no matter how hard you fight, when you do that, you die on your fucking knees.

>>3567752
Anon you are supposed to acknowledge the humanity and personhood of others and treat them with dignity. This is going to sound odd, but when one commits to doing that, it bears good fruit.

It sucks because it often isn't returned. People are self centered and generally only look out for their own benefit and use other people as tools.

Do you want to be like them, one who self centeredly wants to be acknowledged and loved? Or do you want to take the higher path and love one's neighbor?

So far, you state sorrow for wanting to feel loved. Maybe a change in direction would be for the best.

>>3567551
So much handpicked word and roundabout way to just say “my only goal in life is to fuck but I can’t” you are not an intellectual. We are in a fucking anime girl board..posting anonymously. Why the facade? Why the justification? if you can’t get laid no matter what, it just the way it is accept it and move on.

>>3568281
You do understand that the most worshiped and revered man that ever walked this earth is a virgin, right?

It is to the point where nonvirgins cope by saying that it he had to have someone secretly and had kids all in secret.

>>3568281
Who give a shit? when you are ded you are ded

>>3568007
When you act like a monster other ppl will react accordingly. you hate the world? The world hate you back! You are not so special that the wold need to beg you not to be a monster. Is being a monster fun? Are you really happy being a monster?

>>3568526
Again. I will not be a slave. Some things are more important the happiness, life, and the human race in its entirety. The sanctity of my dignity is one such thing.
>>3568592
I never claimed to be anything but angry. You can accept being inferior if you want you fucking cuck.
I might be weak enough to lose but I'm sure as fuck not cucked enough to lay back and accept it, be okay with it, or fucking pretend it's okay that I did.
>>3568673
The man who likely did not exist as he is envisioned and written? The man who is an idea, not a man? The man who is god, who is seen as separate from mankind and humanity?
>>3568742
I give a shit. Rage against the dying of the light.
>>3568903
There is no winning proposition left. There are only propositions more or less balanced. That the world would hurt even a little after ripping away my ability to be able to call myself a human being in the eyes of mankind means that hurting it back, even a little bit, is at least a little more balanced than before.
There is at least some pride in lashing out. Fuck your slave mentality. I won't be broken just because my existence is inconvenient.

>>3504864
this is why i became a /u/schizo

ITT: a thread full of cucks willing to defend their emasculation.

You've all given up, enjoy the bitterness you've subdued into apathy as become one with the nihilistic knowledge of your eventual death and grind out the rest of your life as a creature that accepts itself as a meaningless pawn in the grand scheme of a subjective universe. Enjoy your weird ass MGTOW, live on video games and anime, separate yourself from love, inhuman lifestyle, feeding the machine with your lifeblood until you fucking die.

Meanwhile, the people who have become self-actualized known what fulfillment is. They feel the strength of their own purpose and identity. They know they matter. And it's precisely because of the companionship that they have.

You will never change the truth. And because you're too weak to fight it, you chose to accept it. I pity you, you'll not only die alone, you'll die believing you deserved to die alone.

That's worse than an entire lifetime of the pain I'm feeling, to an unimaginable degree, it makes me physically ill just thinking about it. I hate all of you simpering little cowards.

This is why nobody here will ever help the true beating heart of incel misery. You never had an answer from the start. You had excuses, and mindbroken puppets ready to tout them.

>>3567832
Your full of shit. My best friend is terminal and has been wheelchair bound since he was 12 and still knows how to be kind. He struggles every fucking day. My other good friend died at 27 after struggling with cancer. All he ever did was help his family. No you're the one who doesn't get it. You have no excuse. All you are is scum. Until you learn to care for others no one is going to care for you.

>>3569828
This

>>3569854
>Until you learn to care for others no one is going to care for you.
I've been kind to others my entire life. I just didn't let it break me. I've never once hurt another person. I tried my fucking best, I had plenty of friends, and although I never enjoyed that type of companionship, I did my best to help them when I could.

Your friends, if they were without sex and romance, almost certainly had it eat away at them inside, you just didn't fucking notice. This is the stuff nobody can ever talk about, because of just how much of a pathetic, disgusting failure of a man you are if the truth becomes known. And if they did, at least they died knowing that the world was losing a true human being.

You keep pretending that a man can be satisfied without sex and romance in a true, actualized way, that they can be called a MAN instead of a person.
And you will continue to be wrong, because you didn't learn shit from the suffering of the people around you.
It's a story to you. They're fucking characters to you. You never cared about eh nitty gritty of their misery.
It's scrubbed clean with bleach to make sure it looks pretty in a picture. You don't know the bitterness thought alone to oneself in the night that one would be looked down upon for sharing.

But go ahead and use their misery as a cudgel to bludgeon others who suffer, what a wonderful use of their memory, you fucking coward

>>3548838
> but from there you have a lot of choices
no you don't
you carry the burdens, obsessions and damage from the life you lead no matter what you do, and you cannot undo it because you'd be undoing yourself
you don't get reborn as blank slate character once you're out of your shit period
>while others get there in a hole they have to dig themselves out of
some people are in a hole with no shovel
some people have no arms and a shovel
this normgroid retarded cope where you need just world to exist to some degree is the most infuriating thing to me
being a defeatist sack of shit is not a productive mindset, but at some point you have to realize when you're pissing against the wind
>you could be 42 years old in better shape than you are now
retarded cope
there's developmental stages that if you miss you remain a permanent mental cripple, some people are so damaged they cannot find love
not because of some cliche like "they cannot fathom someone loving them" but because the crushing regret and feeling like you're going through the motions, like some paraplegic make a wish kid scoring a touchdown in NFL
>They have no hope and no future, but you still could.
The illusion of hope is the most nefarious.

>>3547453
haha loser

>>3570036
Yes it has ate away at him. No he has never been able to get a girlfriend or get laid. He even has a micro penis. We even talked about my girlfriend at the time maybe helping him in that department. But he wouldn't go through with it. He still knows how to be kind. He still volunteers to go help kids at his local school. He still spends his time talking and caring about his friends and family. Shit, we went to college together and he got a social work degree because it was so important. He has gone to the capital and spoken to national committees to help other kids get treatment for his disease. He has been a delegate to help get laws changed that really matter. You act like you know him but you don't. We are like brothers don't talk like I don't see his struggle. You are the only coward I see here. He is a real man. A greater man than you or I could ever be.

>>3569828
Is it really emasculation if I’m only attracted to little girl? To fulfilled my goal would be wrong in normal society’s standard. I don’t want to live in the woods so I play by society’s rules.

You people are fucking crazy

>>3570597
No, we remained sane while the world went crazy.

>>3570088
You need Jesus, and with Jesus I mean psychedelics.

>>3570256
You see his struggle and then call such a struggle insignificant, using his other struggles as a bludgeon? Somehow, I doubt it.

>>3569627
I didn't even say His name and you knew who I was talking about.

Stop idolizing sex. Get therapy.

>>3571121
Okay, but how will psychedelics help somebody get laid?

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>>3571295
You'd be surprised how many peeps got laid because of it. There was a whole movement about it, flower power and all. They still help people get laid at festivals and retreats to this very day. But both you and I know that wasn't what I'm getting at.
You are so entrenched In your mind that you can't even consider different perspectives other than with a dismissive handwave.
You aren't scum, but
>>3571272
>>3569854
has a point.

Just look how many people, anonymous and on a totally unrelated board, took time out of their day just to reach out to you.
The dudebros as well as the ones who kinda get your situation.
You got treated with respect and consideration, nothing in return was asked. Is it really all just a farce to you?

>>3570597
I AM CRAZY FOR MY OSHI'S CUNNY

>>3571484
If you're asking me if I feel better, then no. If you're asking me whether I will change my mind on the importance of a loving companion, also no, I don't even intend to consider it until I have it. And if I don't, I won't.
The question of the sincerity is entirely different animal. You can sincerely want to help me even as my soul and identity rips apart at the seams. I'm not going to give it that chance. I do not intend to reevaluate my value system before I have found what I value. That's a losers game.
For all the grandstanding on how unimportant love and sex is, having it would fix any toxic hang-ups faster than anything anybody in this thread has suggested. Bizarre secondary measures are cope.
I appreciate any sincerity. But I'm not going to simply accept a place as a lesser being. I would rather burn in hell with my pride in tact. I may not deserve my pride, but it's mine, and that's important.

>>3571484
>took time out of their day just to reach out to you.
You genuinely understand nothing. None of them were reaching out to him, they were reinforcing their own belief that the world is inherently just and fair. The equivalent of a communist party member talking to a starving peasant, "explaining" that land redistribution was a good thing, actually, and that the peasant need not despair. The explanation is not for the peasant, it is for the party member.

>>3571293
I will stop idolizing genuine female companionship as soon as I have it. And since I never will, I won't.
Also, god impregnated the Virgin Mary. Literal God Sex is what made Jesus so great. God who said our purpose was to go forth and multiply.

Stop pretending that sex and love is not fundamental to a fully actualized existence. None of the examples in this entire thread have shown me that it isn't. Because, simply put, none of the examples are seen as Men, instead of just "people". A Mans place is to be wanted by a Woman as a Man is wanted by a Woman. Overanalytical takes on the nature of reality need not apply, the eptiness of a human soul is far more poignant than all the stars in heaven.

Really, at the end of the day, I will not choose to be incomplete. I will be whole, wholly human, wholly a man. Or i choose to hate instead. I am so, so fucking tired of half-way measures. I am not going to accept some fucking half life.

>>3571368
What? I can’t hear ye

Honestly, this thread has made me feel worse than the usual approaches to incels somehow. Angrier. More willing to do bad shit to make sure my oshi and other members of Hololive stay in line with GFE. I'm thinking about being capable of doing things that I really wish Inwasn't because all of you infuriating pieces of shit can't help but expect me to keel over and die for your sake.
All I wanted was love. But you and the rest of the world rips that away, over and over. I'd gladly take pain and death and suffering of any kind in order for a garauntee at that.
But to not even entertain it and instead jump to all the shit I should be concerned about instead, as if my own identity isn't important enough to matter? Fuck you people. Fuck you for trying to lessen the load of the sick on society, rather than trying to lessen the load of sickness upon the sick.
I wanted to be more than this. But I'll never have the fucking chance, and i hate this world for it.

>>3572331
welcome to the real wold

>>3571944
No, you are the one who does not understand. And none of them stated or even implied the world was just and fair.
This was solely about the issue of attaining something worthwhile when you got handed a shit hand in life.
"Give and take", "Respect and be respected".
Those are fundamental truths about human interaction. You can't even fathom how often i got to hear how people thought I am an asshole at first glance and how quick that changed once we interacted with each other.
Yeah, If you are disfigured, socially maladapted or straight up mentally ill you'll have it tougher.

Yes, the physical truths of a biological existence can hit some poor awarenesses so hard they can't even partake in human interactions.
This is not the case here.

This is about someone with a very capable, eloquent mind.
Some people will never change their tune because they're only surface-level, even If you are a messiah. But others will take notice.
Treating others with respect, being good natured and doing something noteworthy to better peoples lives will increase your odds, no matter the handicap.
I am not a friend of well-thought out discussions. They bore me. But I have been where some are in the past and hope to be able to provide some insights in the hope it might help.


>>3572331
You do you, man. But all everyone talked about was lessening the sickness of the sick, or as you would call it, coping strategies. I will live my life as a sexless but fulfilled man, you are burdening my heart, but there are many voices in their crying out for help.
"Stop being an incel" didn't even enter the serious discussion. So actually, you are completely in the wrong about what everyone tried to tell you.

Your crusade would be based on a lie.

>>3572331
How are you so sure that we want to help you? Maybe we reply to just egg you on?

>>3572736
Enlightened.

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