/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>3533141
>most popular vtuber of all time
>of all time
That's Kizuna AI. Besides, Gura is just pretending to be awkward. She's a giga stacy in real life.

>>3533173
>Kizuna Ai
Lmao not anymore is she

>>3533173
>>3533202
Maybe AI has slightly more subs than her but she has 4 years of a head start and Gura will probably still surpass her this month. And other than that nobody else comes close in sub count.

>>3533173
>Gura is just pretending to be awkward
Her doxx archives say otherwise. She only feels comfortable amongst close friends.

>>3533310
I don't look at any dox shit. You can just tell by how she speaks and how casual she is at manipulating men that she is an ultra alpha female behind the scenes.

>>3533392
>He doesn't even WANT to know

>>3533141
Pasta time
>Cutest design that carried her to have the most subs in HoloEN even before debuting
>Sweetest and least grating voice in HoloEN
>So incredibly good at singing that there are several clippers solely dedicated to posting singing compilations and members-only karaoke VODs
>Very empathetic and understanding, stays humble no matter how popular she is, genuinely looks up to her co-workers and senpais and actively tries to learn from them
>Inspires others by being as earnest and uplifting as possible while streaming, despite clearly having dealt with severe depression in the past
>Good chemistry with everyone in collabs, especially Ame and Calli, doesn't force herself to do collabs unless she's comfortable and knows she can make it a great time for everyone
>Has the best understanding of what makes good stream content in HoloEN, a balanced mix between popular Hololive staples like Minecraft, Phasmophobia and RingFit and personal favorites that play well into a livestream format like Amnesia and Luigi's Mansion
>Avoids certain genres like RPGs and VNs because they generally don't make for good streaming content, especially if they aren't short
>Very self-conscious about getting stale with her content (ironically assisted by her ADHD), always makes sure to try one or two new things every week, doesn't hesitate to drop games that overstayed their welcome and are getting boring for her (Amnesia Rebirth, Skyrim, Visage, RDR2)
>Leaves typically niche content like watchalongs to members only, as not to take regular stream spaces that can be used for more mass-appeal stuff
>Has the self-restraint not to run her own jokes to the ground
>Meme pockets run deep, catches viewers off-guard every time she drops a cultured meme out of nowhere
>Story times range from interesting and comfy (plant cultivation stories) to batshit insane (bathwater pizza, dish mold, foot fetish stories), you literally never know what you're going to get
>Closet horny but keeps it classy
>Healthy relationship with chat, reads messages a lot of the time, often compliments them and jokes around with them, knows how to masterfully spin serious complaints into playful banter without souring the mood of the stream
>Overall just a meticulously balanced act in being cute, funny, endearing, smart and dumb, high-energy and low-energy, and inspirational and relatable

>>3533459
>cutest design
Her design is fucking nothing. She has boring white hair and a wide Stewie Griffin head. The best part of her design is her hoodie which is offscreen for every stream except for RFA.

>>3533459
While these are good points as to why she's a good streamer, I seriously doubt the people who sub to her are taking all of these into consideration. There's got to be a shallower reason as to why she keeps picking up an insane amount of subs.

>>3533569
I have Shit Taste: The Post

>>3533141
She’s one of us, but has charisma and powerful cute energy. Throw in her beautiful and passionate singing and her popularity is inevitable.

>>3533141
This is another bait. Move along. Don't be literal shrimps.

>>3533928
It’s bait, but we can drown them in how much we love the Shark.

>>3533861
>She’s one of us
She's a closeted homosexual?

>>3534150
I maintain that it is impossible for people to explain why they love Gura without shitting on other members.

>>3534708
Her voice is smooth and easy to listen to compared to the other ENs

Calli's lower register is nice especially when she sweet talks but she has a tendency to suddenly shout into the mic

Amelia has her weird lisp

Kiara is just grating to listen to

Ina is also nice but she's too low energy for some people

Gura is just the perfect balance for most, including me

>>3533861

I agree

Her voice is smooth and easy to listen to compared to the other ENs

Calli's lower register is nice especially when she sweet talks but she has a tendency to suddenly shout into the mic

Amelia has her weird lisp

Kiara is just grating to listen to

Ina is also nice but she's too low energy for some people

Gura is just the perfect balance for most, including me

>>3534708
That's kind of a dumb take though, any opinion can be taken as "shitting on others"

>Why do you like Coke over Pepsi
"I like Pepsi's taste over Coke'"
>Why are you shitting on Coke
"Because I need to have a frame of reference for you to understand my postion"

>>3535440
Ame's lisp is what gives her the W for best voice in EN by a long shot

>>3534299
Yes.

>>3533141
she is the daughter of someone in power

>>3533141
>socially awkward girl who gets nervous and mumbles half the time so you can't hear what she's saying
The mumbling and stage fright have both been gone for months, fyi.

>>3533141
>>terribly rïgged model even before the cat incident, her original model had a ton of problems that were never addressed
It is the most recent one. I think it will slow down her growth...

>>3533141
>Seriously, how does she do it?
A variation of the girl next door effect, every 20s-early 30s loser male with little to no romantic experience (literary millons upon millons of people in today's time) sees her as that one shy easy to tall to nerd girl they wanted to meet or did meet at some point in their lives and wished they could be with. Gura is a delusion for men in an age where delusions is where the most approachable happiness is found.

Just wait when she gets 3D model with her limbs completely dethatched from her body, and no gills

>>3533141

Read the Greentext in Vegetas voice then admit Gura is the best at the end

>>3540686
literally me

This: >>3533459
Which creates the effect of this:>>3540686

t. chumbud

>>3535440
I never noticed a lisp

>nobody talks about the little sister effect
>Time has exacted its toll on me

>>3540689
>no gills
This would be unforgivable.

>>3533141
I actually kind of like how shitty her model is. She looks completely retarded whenever she's looking up and to the left but retarded in like a cute way. It has old Miko vibes.
Also what's with the shitty eye tracking? Glasses irl?

Shark cunny

>>3533741
Just because people aren't actively thinking it doesn't mean it doesn't apply.

>>3542119
>Also what's with the shitty eye tracking? Glasses irl?

>>3542119
>Also what's with the shitty eye tracking? Glasses irl?
I think a lot of people thought that at first but it’s probably just shitty rigging again.

>>3542119
The bad eye tracking is one of the tell tell signs of umiushi’s handiwork.

>>3542004
There are a lot of people that see her as a daughter like figure. Gura’s mentioned that most of the EN girls see her as the little sister of the group.

>>3533173
>She's a giga stacy in real life
lmao no. If she were a dude, she would be a straight up incel

>>3542119
I'm with you on that. Even the eye glitching grew on me eventually. Her model is so retarded and sad looking that it only makes her more moe.

>>3533141
>how does she do it
She's cute and funny

>>3542640
We think so.

>>3533141
>god tier voice perfect for the "loli" avatar
>cute personality
>nice singing voice and sometimes play ukulele to compliment her singing
>horrible at games but somehow makes it entertaining without being toxic
that's it. This was the perfect formula to make her popularity skyrocket, it's a shame that cover obviously did not have high hopes for her and she got the worst rigging in holoEN, as well as less support from the company itself to boost her (cover promotes Mori because they went all in hoping she would have been Gura popular overall from debut until now)

>>3533141
she oozes femininity. Naturally, westerners are attracted to something so rare in their daily lives.

>>3545737
At least partly true.
t. Canadian

>>3533141
SHARK LOVE

>>3545737
Interesting. I don't get that feeling. I see her as a little precocious gremlin meme queen. Someone "feminine" would be like Watame or Uto. What kind of feminine moments do you see in Gura again?

>>3549161
I know you won't get it and I can't explain it without going into walls of text but for what it's worth - I'm 35 and she seems natural, as in, she is like the girls were in the 90s. That was the last time girls were feminine and to me personally Gura seems to channel the archetypal image of "girl" with which I grew up and knew.

>>3549161
Her squeels, her shrieks of excitement, loves painting her toe nails, loves baths, very emotional, wears skirts, soft voice

>>3549161
everything about Gura is feminine because she's a huge fucking faggot
>short and small (fucking weak-ass)
>to the point she's even mistaken for a child
>high-pitched sissy voice
>crybaby fag
>shy homo
>dickless
>humble like some pathetic bitch
>likes romantic and disney princess movies like a fucking 10yo GIRL
>loves singing (gay)
>she even cries at some stupid romantic songs (extra gay)
>likes horses (gay)
>likes cats (ultra gay)
>likes gardening (gay)
>likes cooking, like your MOM does
>can't even fucking learn to drive, like an asian woman (the gayest race of women)
>only good at rhythm games, the gayest videogame genre
there's absolutely nothing manly about this pathetic queer, I bet she's also fertile as fuck. Disgusting

>>3549432
This is it exactly. It's not really something you can find in clips because it's just the general way she carries herself through every stream. Maybe the most obvious tell is how she gets excited about girly stuff like wanting to do a slumber party with us.

>>3533741
There is nit a single fucking rapper that thinks about alliteration and shit like that when they write lyrics, the deepest they think about is rhyming (sometimes) and sounding "good". Gura probably does none if this conciously and nobody outside of schizos with too much time on their hands who hate actual women pick up on it conciously. She tries to make streams "fun" and people think they're "fun". And she's really good at it and has a lot of common sense.

>>3549662
Also only faggots play the ukulele

>>3539972
>>3541918
I have no idea what people are talking about when they say Ame has a lisp but what she does have is the kind of voice where she sounds like she's trying to stay quiet even when she's shouting. I hear a lot of streamers with voices like this and it's probably because they don't want to wake somebody up.

>>3533459
at first, i expect shark to have an annoyingly fake grating voice because shes the mandatory loli chara. glad im wrong. chicken in the other hand..

>>3550289
Well it is still a fake voice, just that she's really good at it.

>>3541246
>>3540686
That can't be it or Ame would have 10M subs.

t. eamate

>>3533741
my personal rrat to why gura is very popular is because she has mass appeal and know how to game the youchub algo.

>>3549545
I think Gura comes off as something of a tomboy but she has the girliest scream I've ever heard and when she claps, her hands sound small. That kind of gap moe is appealing.

>>3550381
Ame/Cura aren't the only ones dping this anon. Variations of the same things are found all around social media. From cosplay girls to streamers, you are acting like goslings only two choices to pick from.

>>3550498
>and know how to game the youchub algo.
she doesn't, that's just a happy accident

>>3549432
>>3549673
>"The years I grew up were the last time things were good!"
How typical. And yet I'm sure a boomer would look upon you with revulsion.

>>3549662
>I bet she's also fertile as fuck. Disgusting
y-yeah dude completely disgusting haha...

>>3549161
>I see her as a little precocious gremlin meme queen.
This is surface level first impression, it sounds like you only watch clips. That's just like 20% of her overall complex personality.

>>3550381
The difference is Ame has to build her own fanbase from almost zero while at the same time culling them harder than Coco culling chinks.
She isn't kidding about mass banning her fans if they won't behave.

>>3550327
Are you one of those who believe she fakes her voice? I have watched plenty loli tubes for more than 3 years, she is a rare one that is not faking it.
Also that fake news was debunked by various audio anons already.
She does uwu voice sometimes but calling her voice fake is just nah.

>>3552404
Just saying it's debunked doesn't make it debunked.

>>3533173
the social awkwardness is 100 percent faked, she was nothing like that in her old persona streams.

>>3552404

isn't there literally a vlog video of her when she sounds completely normal? The one where she's showing off some stupid toys

>>3533173
lol nowadays Kizuna Ai does not even get 3k viewers

>>3553113
When did she stream Persona?

Is Gura "mumblecore"?

>>3553223
Kizuna Ai doesn't do many streams. She does things like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-DKk89GVFk

>>3553260

That's a redditor level joke

yet another Gura thread that turns into HERfaggotry and doxx discussion

>>3551941
>has to build her fanbase from almost Zero

They all did faggot.

No one found the Senzawa connection until 1-2 videos deep.

Gura just got more than all of EN even before their debut streams and fully cemented that lead with the "a" tweet

>>3553113
Her old persona called herself a NEET and said she was quiet and shy.

>>3554025
>1-2 videos deep.
Yes, the debut is one video & as you said yourself she has a lead even before the debut.

>>3553025
If you really think she can sing that well while maintaining a fake voice then I don’t have anything else to say. She has performed more than dozen hours karaoke with normal voice, grooky voice, sick voice and if there were any fakeness people would have already called out her.
Also the audio anons always provide spectrogram pics so yeah I believe in them more than a random anon saying fake voice. You can search archive /ggg/ audio anons posted it there.
>>3553176
> believing in that dubious doxx stuff
Anything beyond HER era is rrat at most. YouTube and those niggers don’t even care if it is true or not. It’s free money from bait clicking title.

>>3553995
All of HoloEN threads are full of people obsessed with doxing the talents, I don't understand it. You don't see this for any other branch of any other agency.

>>3555427
Because they're all newfags who choose to ignore and disrespect the VTuber concept.

>>3555427
The chinks and nips also do doxx stuff.
It is just not as convenient for us to search on JP branch than them.
It is clearly wrong and disrespectful but it is delusional if you think other branches are not affected.

>>3535440
>>3533459
I don't think voice has anything to do with it, Pekora has by far the most annoying voice I have ever heard in my life, and yet she is still the most popular HoloJP. And that's because despite her annoying voice she has a great and entertaining personality.

>>3556247
Emphasis on JP. For JP her voice is perfect for comedy, hence the comedian of JP.

>>3556247
Pekora has a really sweet and charming voice after you listen to it for a while. It grows on you. By far the most soulful, with subaru being a close second.

>>3555593
Oh no

>>3557810
Oh no
Uh oh
Oh no
Uh oh oh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_2bluVPsb0

>>3533141
>despite this, somehow manages to become the most popular VTuber of all time
It's because her model is that of a child, and she sounds like one too. This sells to a very specific niche subgroup with disposable income. If you are picking up what I am putting down.

>>3558035
I don't see Gura as a child. I see her as cute and short. It's different.

>>3558035
>>3558114
I sincerely doubt there are 2 million+ people who are subscribing to her and nobody else in Hololive, just because she looks like a child.

>>3533141
I totally missed the Gura Juice promo, didn't I?

>>3558171
Yes, but all it is is a stamina item. Just a thing you'll leave in your inventory for the rest of your life because there's no point to using it and nobody else can see that you have it.

>>3558035
are you telling me there are 2 million pedos

>>3558130
It's certainly not because of her braindead run of the mill same-as-everyone-else content.

>>3558219
I'm not really interested in the game, I just wanted a Gura juice to have.

>>3553113
you need serious reps if you believe that

>>3549662
MY SIDES ANON

>>3558297
Oh, then just save a picture of Gura's juice. You don't need a game for that.

>>3553113
Senzawa was drunk and stoned. Turns off your inhibition.

>>3558466
Everyone who says this never has proof to back it up

>>3558491
You dont even have dubs, shhb

>>3558222
Yes? Doesn't sound too ridiculous to me.
The rrat is obviously false though, there're several Vtubers who cater to them much more.

Senzawa strikes me as the faker persona. Just feels like she was doing an edgy internet thing, and got bored of it.

>>3558491
Stoned is debatable since dudeweed memes are so common, but she was pretty sauced for most of her streams.

>>3549662
>she's a huge fucking faggot
HOLY SHIT

>>3545400
>>3549972
Why do so many girls play the ukulele? I've noticed this trend.

>>3558757
Nevermind. The ukulele is smaller and has softer strings so it doesn't hurt your hands, so it makes sense that a small, soft person would learn ukulele instead of guitar.

>>3558757
It's cuter than guitar.

>>3558757
It's really easy to learn basic chords on string instruments.

I should know; I'm not trained in Guitar but I learned the basic chords in like 1-2 weeks and can "play" some songs.

>>3553113
I only skimmed some of her old streams. But, if she wasn't drunk, she spent most of her time in awkward silence. If she did say something it was just some random slurry of shit. The social awkwardness of her was pretty clear before she became gura.

You fuckers. You complained about her new model so much that she went back to the old model. You made her cry. Are you happy?

>>3558994
yes

>>3558994
What else did you expect from antis? Of course they wanted her to cry.

>>3558994
Not enough. We gotta complain until she decides to graduate

>>3558994
I bet she read some of the RHOMBUS superchats offstream.

>>3554025
>until 1-2 videos deep
Literally, from the first syllable she uttered, /jp/ was flooded with "IT'S HER".

>>3559662
Kind of depressing that this means that /jp/ is deeply familiar with ecelebs.

>>3560167
They have always been cringe hypocrites.

>>3533861
She's what Nyanners could've been if she was given a chance to break away cleanly from her crass foundations without insulting her original fanbase.

>>3561353
Pretty much

>>3533141
She's doing things to MUH DICC that's for sure

>>3561405
Gura is Nyanners, but it’s the good ending

>>3561353
>>3561538
Isn't Nyanners a very popular vtuber right now? It's not like it's a secret either, she's literally named Nyanners.

>>3561353
>given the chance
But she has had infinite chances from the very start? It's as simple as making a new identity instead of trying to use your old bagage to uplift to new bagage you'll one day abandon for a new spotlight.

Nyanners problem in that she wants her cake and to eat it too.

>>3561650
>>3562160
Nyanners has nearly 500k subs which is no slouch for someone without the Hololive bump but Gura has this weird insecure fanbase who can't praise Gura without trying to tear other people down. You'd think they wouldn't need to be so defensive when Gura has so many subs but maybe it's because they know people suspect her sub count of being illegitimate.

>>3562304
The bigger a fanbase gets, the more retarded it is

>>3562304
> maybe it's because they know people suspect her sub count of being illegitimate
That’s the dumbest shit I have read and people who believe that are just coping hard. Lol imagine being so blinded by jealousy.

>>3558035
Okay Brittany, go back to venting about pedobait on twitter

>>3562304
Actual distilled cope

>>3562304
>but maybe it's because they know people suspect her sub count of being illegitimate.
How fucking retarded do you have to be to legitimately state this as some kind of proof as to why people are defensive of Gura whatsoever?
Have you ever thought of the idea that people are very quick to dismiss the idea of someone talking down upon something that's just outright popular due to it being popular?
>weird insecure fanbase who can't praise Gura without trying to tear other people down.
Most of the fucking autism i've seen about "tearing other people down" is with TakaMori, and that's about it.

>3562160
>Gura has a defensive fanbase
>dur, why is Gura the most subbed Vtuber, she's boring and has patrician taste
>You only like Gura because you're Pedophiles
>Gura confirmed to be subbotting, just trust me bro
>You call this best singer in Hololive? RUMAO

Name other Vtubers in /vt/ which get this amount of retarded takes

People shit on her ironically because she's popular, not because she's actually any of this shit. Cumkeks are defensive because some people unironically believe these shit takes to be true

>>3563775
>Cumkeks
Another person who pretends to be knowledgeable and experienced yet doesn't know about the wordfilter.

>>3533141
>her original model had a ton of problems that were never addressed
????????????????????????????????????

>>3533141
>before the cat incident,
i dont follow EN, what is this about?

>>3564434
Gura raped a cat on stream, but it was an accident

>>3533202
china likes kizuna ai

>>3564458
>>3564458
That cat wanted it.

>>3564377
It is true. Although it wasn't as severe as rhombus Gura, it was agreed that it was a poor job, there reason shit blew up with the new outfit is that people built up expectations, that while not too high, still managed to be betrayed.

>>3564434
For a serious answer, her new outfit has cat ears but the modeler did a shitty job so they look like they're floating above her head. Like Akirose but unintentional. At least I hope Akirose is supposed to be intentional. Anyway, this has resulted in the modeler's entire career being absolutely destroyed.

>>3564511
People keep mentioning that Gura's face is messed up and I literally don't see it. Obviously I see the ears but I genuinely can't figure out what's being criticized about the face.

>>3562160
>>Gura has a defensive fanbase
>>dur, why is Gura the most subbed Vtuber, she's boring and has patrician taste
>>You only like Gura because you're Pedophiles
>>Gura confirmed to be subbotting, just trust me bro
>>You call this best singer in Hololive? RUMAO
>Name other Vtubers in /vt/ which get this amount of retarded takes
>People shit on her ironically because she's popular, not because she's actually any of this shit. Cumkeks are defensive because some people unironically believe these shit takes to be true

>>3564551
It's really not that big of a deal, it's just hyperfocus autism

>>3564551
There is a reason Rhombus Gura is a meme.

>>3564620
>>3564622
Is it possible that it's because people knew the cat ears alone wouldn't be enough so they played up other problems with the model to force them to fix it?

>>3533173
>She's a giga stacy in real life.
wrong

>>3553113
>the social awkwardness is 100 percent faked, she was nothing like that in her old persona streams.
wrong, if the only content of her's you know is the blue cat then you have no fucking clue about what you're talking about. she had another youtube channel before the cat. when she was in highschool, and while she deleted the videos years ago (the channel is still there), a few of her old subscribers have them posted on youtube still. she was a super nerdy socially awkward, painfully shy girl even then.

>>3559662
not even from the first syllable, pre-debut I've seen rumors saying gura was gonna be HER
the debut only confirmed the theories

>>3558757
easy to pick up quickly and easy to play with small hands

>>3564686
I honestly don't think they'll fix anything but maybe the floating cat ears and people are setting themselves up for disappointment

>>3564782
Why were there even theories like that? There's no way they could have possibly known, Hololive runs a tight ship. It's literally just because of the shark thing, isn't it?

>>3564857
>hololive runs a tight ship
do u rearry beleib

>>3564857
People were already theorizing that Youtubers like Sen, Nyanners or Dakooters were going to apply to Hololive in some capacity, because why the hell wouldn't they, when EN auditions were announced

>>3565175
Damn. That's some multi-dimensional Ame levels of sleuthing.

>>3564551
Do you have brain damage? It's pretty clearly fucked even to total normies.

>>3565472
Can you post a picture that shows it clearly? If there really is a problem it should be easy to show it in a picture.

>>3533141
her old account was very popular

>>3562304
Dude, she's DEFINITELY not gonna see this. Try posting on >>>/reddit/ or >>>/twitter/.

>>3565376
I always doubt big compilation images like that because I have personally had the dubious honor of someone getting angry enough to make one about me due to my antics on another board, and they actually went to the effort of faking a conversation on Facebook to support their narrative. And I don't even have a Facebook. So I personally know it's not true and yet I started seeing the image passed around. Not much I could do to debunk that level of autism so I abandoned that identity. I think if more people had something like that happen to them they would take this stuff with a grain of salt.
However, this particular narrative's existence does explain a lot about the Kiara hate. People always dodge the subject when I try to find out just what is going on with this board and Kiara, and now I see it's because answering it involves doxing, and most of them are too smart to risk that.

>>3565522
Compare new outfit in movement to old outfit in movement. Look closely at the chin area.

>>3564770

Imagine lying to yourself this much. Gura is not socially awkward and she will never date you. She hates losers like you irl, but knows she can milk them so she pretends to be one of you. Get a grip

>>3565725
I don't think anyone operates under the illusion that a vtuber will date them. We're unlikely to even meet them. Frankly I wish more of them would collab with men and weed out all the people who see vtubers as their girlfriends.

>>3565695
Sensible, and I do have my own doubts about the images posted here or anywhere else, but the gen5 Kiara thing is pretty damn convincing for an rrat, not that it changes anything for me.

Sucks that some schmucks did you dirty like that though, but it just do be like that.

>>3558222
>>3558529
>see Flare is streaming right now
>open stream just in time to see her reading a superchat from some American saying "Flare is best. Even better than loli."
I hate westerners so much.

>>3533173
>giga stacy

>>3566391
DELET THIS

>>3566391
Anon...

>>3566391
THICC

>>giga stacy

>>3565725
Don't tell chumbuddies the truth anon. They'll kill themselves.
>>3565817
I agree with you, gfe fags are insufferable

>>3566391
>posting 6 year old underage hard-doxx facebook pictures
at this point you should just kill yourself and make the world a better place

>>3566391
My dox reps say differently from your dox

>>3566391
God look at how pale she is, that’s so friggin hot.

>>3566391
>>giga stacy

>flattens your oshi

>>3567119
Your reps are straight up wrong.

>>3565695
Kiara hate is a mixture of her current persona, stuff like acting autistic in several situations, numberfagging, being annoying in collabs, etc and her roommate using and discarding people as stepping stones when she went over to Japan.

>>3533173
>Gura is just pretending to be awkward
This.

>>3533141
Same reason Pewdiepie blew up, memes and clips.

And clearly Gura is trying to imitate him by spamming horror games, the little numberslut.

>>3567076
>>3567144
>>3567116

>>3567370
Are you saying she acted differently before?

Doxfags you truly need to kill yourself

>>3567556
Coping with ugly oshi

>>3567635
She could be freaking Igor for all I care and I'd still love her.

>>3567635
>giving a shit about how VA looks like

>Coping with ugly oshi

>>3556529
I'm not a hypocrite so I cannot tolerate a full stream of Pekora or Kiara without getting a headache and have to experience them through short clips. Although Kiara's voice seems to have gotten deeper from when it first started out so it makes you wonder if she's been putting on a voice and she's starting to speak normally due to criticism.

>>3567635
The longer the days go on, the more these antis can't hide their true intentions

>>3533459
I mean, she does have all that. But the subs is because of pedos and children.

>>3568609
They've run out of anything reasonable and just fling shit all day hoping something sticks, it's been especially bad the last couple weeks

>>3568656
Ina'nis also has a loli body but isn't anywhere near as popular as Gura. Is it because she has a pretty deep voice that's hard to mistake for a loli? Because otherwise I don't get it.

>>3568811
Ina doesn't have a loli body, she's just flat. Her face isn't childlike like Gura's.

>>3568760
Pathetic rly

>>3568826
Wha? She looks just like Abigail Williams who nobody denies is a loli.

>>3568873
What the fuck are you talking about kek.

>>3568883
Ina has the same artist as Abigail Williams who is a loli so the "Ina doesn't have a loli face" argument crumbles.

>>3568921
So it's impossible for an artist to draw two different characters?

>>3568937
Well, artists are frequently accused of sameface.

>>3568474
Or it's just tiring and unhealthy. Suisei lowered her voice after her medical check.

>>3568997
Yeah and I legitimately would not have noticed if she hadn't pointed it out so it wasn't particularly drastic in her case.

Thankfully Gura and Ina don't collab with Kiara that often so I can just ignore the annoying orange and focus on the DFC.

>>3564489

Who gives a fuck what China likes?

>>3569287
Kizuna Ai

>>3564514
>Anyway, this has resulted in the modeler's entire career being absolutely destroyed.
Not yet, so far the only thing that has actually happened is that she went radio silent on twitter. I would love for it to be the case but lets not confuse ideal outcomes and reality.

>>3570002
You would love for someone's career to be destroyed? An ACTUAL ideal outcome would be for her to become a competent modeler.

>>3568826
Probably not 6-9 yr like Gura but Ina has a body of 10-11 yr “bony loli”. Her model fit this archetype to the tee.

>>3571000
Anon, she is way too tall to be a loli. Get it into your head, not every flat girl is a loli.

>>3571043
By that logic Gura is also too tall to be a loli.

>>3571043
Dude. She's Ame's height and she has really tall shoes. And Ame isn't even that far from Gura in height. Fanarts just exaggerate Gura a lot.

>>3570964
For delivering hack work like that? Yes. If I was an artist and I delivered an artpiece that doesn't follow basic perspective rules I should very well expect never to get hired again. Bear in mind that this isn't some amateur doing it in his own time as a hobby, that rigger was fucking paid for this.

>>3571072
Gura isn't even five foot, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>3571906
its okay when risu does it

>>3572014
Risu's problem isn't perspective. Look at her far eye and ear deforming properly when she turns, meanwhile look at Gura whose ears aren't even on the same angle of rotation as the rest of her face.

>>3533569
2 million people like her

And one you hate her

Something wrong with your brain man take some meds

>>3572014
>>3572087
What IS Risu's problem? You'd think they would have fixed it by now but it's still the same. I don't get it.

>>3572124
Risu has no problems. She is perfect.

>>3572090
80 million people liked hitler
they cant be wrong!

>>3572124
Her face plate doesn't have a backing layer. Refer to >>3571906 as a reference image. When Risu turns 45 degrees to the right, normally part of her jaw should be visible, but for some reason her model doesn't have that so she just looks like a faceplate.

It's funny too because Risu's model is one of the more animated ones in hololive. If it wasn't for that strange defect it'd be pretty up there.

>>3572149
Yes, but mainly because of her French accent.

>>3572217
I... actually never noticed the jaw changing when most VTubers move their head, but now that you point it out I see it. It seems like a lot more work than I realized goes into Live2D modeling, to the extent there's stuff that only my subconscious picks up on.

>>3572188
Yes.

>>3572424
Yeah, me neither. I literally crash coursed my way through this shit just so I can adequately explain why I have an issue with Gura's rigging without sounding like a complete sperg, and now I can't help but notice these little detials every time I see a vtuber. Yet another thing Umiushi has ruined for me, I guess.

>>3572511
>>>/pol/

>>3565669
I don't know what to say to this, so I'm just gonna eat a slice of watermelon.

>>3570964
she lacks the character for that. someone who has been rigging live2d models for this long would have got around to finishing the tutorial.

>>3533141
you can buy subs

>>3576082
Subs are unironically expensive to buy and Cover won't even buy their poor talents computers so they can start out streaming. (see Dagger)

>>3533459
lies. no one reads the chat because its impossible

>>3576401
I don't understand, why would they hire them if they don't intend to support them? Exactly how much money is Cover making off this?

>>3576654
we have been asking these questions for a long time.

>>3561353
only few turboautists know about that shit and even less care about it

>>3554108
>she was quiet and shy.
That's what your average Stacy says when she doesn't like going out as often as other girls do

>>3575661
They should get Shirasawa Kazane to do the Live2D for Gura, that's who does it for Naname and Luto and it looks great. Not sure why they picked a nobody like Umiushi.

>>3577097
i mean, i'd go with pretty much anyone who is reasonably competent and available soon. that's the thing, i don't think anyone is demanding she get the best. just not .... this.

>>3576401
how are those poor? they literally make more than you could get from any real job in a single day. if they cant afford computers they probably wont have the necessary skills either

>>3577147
you seem unaware of the revenue situation for hololive indonesia

>>3577140
Well I would say that a VTuber with nearly 3 million subs absolutely does deserve the best possible modeler because success should be rewarded, but I agree that I'd take anyone who doesn't produce a pile of shit.

>>3577147
If Anya didn't have a skill they wouldn't have hired her. I can't for the life of me tell you what her skill is supposed to be, though. She's been around for five months and all she's done so far is play obscure Japanese indie games.

>>3576654
It depends on their hiring contracts. A general rule is that the talents will get less income shares if they want more supports.

>>3577239
would there really be vtubers that aren't making millions? i can't believe this when literally everyone i have seen get $100 donations all the time

>>3577463
ok you seem unaware of the revenue situation in general

>>3577023
you have a very broad concept of what a Stacy is

>>3577277
one could really say the same about other vtubers too. if you are a normal person that just ends up on a vtubers stream from the random buttons then its very unlikely that any of them will provide you anything interesting. after all its just one of hundreds streamers playing some game or talking about something

>>3577463
I saw someone get a $100 donation just to say "Hi" or something, and I was like holy shit, then I looked more closely and realized it was actually 100 rupies. I did the conversion and found that 100 rupies is $1. So I would say just because you see the number 100 doesn't mean someone just gave them 100 dollars. Look closely and see what the currency is.

>>3577477
how are you so aware of it? do you work for them? lets say i give some of them $10... the stream host probably takes half of it but how is the rest split? i doubt that most of the money would go to my favorite vtuber like they want me to think

>>3577463
The average vtuber has like 20 live viewers. If you consistently manage to break 4 digits you're in the top 1% of vtubers. Hololive is the exception, not the norm.

>>3577583
you extrapolated from "i see hundred dollar donations frequently" to income estimates of millions of dollars. guy, you barely qualify as conscious.

>>3577551
yt has that weird shit but on twitch its always us dollars

>>3571197
>She's Ame's height and she has really tall shoes.

She's Ame's height without shoes. With shoes, she's like 5'2".

>>3577605
i do see them and those add up. the average stream seems to be around 6h long and even without counting carefully you can notice that they are earning hundreds of dollars every day they stream

>>3577670
i'm done with you. lurk more.

>>3577519
That's true but in this case we are specifically talking about what Anya brings to the table for Cover, who famously seek out any talents they can get with genuine skill. Don't get me wrong I like Anya and I have no problem with a streamer that "just plays some games" if I like their voice and personality. But I don't know what about her would make Cover go "Yes. We really need her working for us." Her voice is cute and well suited for a loli model, I guess?

>>3533741
she's a shit streamer

>>3577690
you must be a coping simp that can't really afford those ridiculous donations. trying to avoid seeing the truth so hard

>>3577742
there is a web site where you can look this up, you literal fucking mental retard. lurk more.

youtube algorithm likes her

>>3577700
what is even considered a skill in this case? the difference that can be easily noticed between vtubers are the different models but seeing a difference on anything else can be challenging. it follows the same model every time, girl play popular game, girl sings, girl talks about some rando nonsense. just feels like a niche that would be very hard to get into if you aren't the right kind of person

>>3577764
I just realized that the word algorithm contains the name Al Gore, the guy who invented the internet.

>>3577841
Well that's the thing, the others do have skills you mentioned like singing, drawing, or being good at certain games. I'm not sure what Anya is good at.

>>3577898
the wtf thing here is that those are not unique skills. there are many that do the same thing so what makes one choose just the one they did

>>3577972
I would say, probably that they not only have those skills but have also proven they can be trusted with sensitive information, because the nature of vtubers means that you have to be careful who you let into that circle. So that narrows down the choices somewhat.

Terrible thread award

>>3577898
She's good at JP. Every foreign gen hololive has produced so far has that one member who's really good at japanese so I think Anya fills that role in ID2

>>3578329
knowing at least some japanese was probably a bigger requirement in ID2 auditions than for EN

>>3578329
why did they take that country into this? feels like a really weird and random choice

>>3540406
Reine's sister confirmed

>>3549662
Kek

>>3578461
there's a reasonable market for idolshit and other jap media in SEA so it's good for testing the overseas waters, that's why both holo and niji did it

Gura is popular because she is cute and knows internet memes very well. That is all. Also she lives rent free in your heads.

>>3578543
even worse, I pay her for living in my head

>>3578577
you are just one of millions so she wont remember you

>>3578604
I think it's possible to support an entertainer without expecting direct attention from then. Look at any music artist, comedian, actor, etc.

>>3578652
its literally nothing to her. when you support one of the most successful in the industry its like a drop in the ocean

>>3577023
>That's what your average Stacy says when she doesn't like going out as often as other girls do
Then she's not a stacy?

>>3578604
Hey, that's ok with me. Nothing wrong with throwing some cash at entertainment. It may be a drop in the bucket for her but it's also a drop in the bucket for me.
Just doing my part by adding liquidity to the economy because she'll actually spend said money and I won't.

>>3578872
I won't make any claims about what she thinks or feels (because who really can?), but she does express thanks and appreciation for the collective support of people in her streams. That's enough for most people

>>3578994
cringe

>>3578604
so?

>>3579033
clown world. how can the simps be so pathetic that they will give away their money for few extremely generic words

>>3579120
stop samefagging already. theres no way a single board on this shithole has so many rich simps

>>3578604
And?

>>3579182
it's literally 50¢ for a membership in this shithole of a country. Hell, probably I am the one costing youtube money

>>3579307
why do weebs get so angry when they see someone that does not want to be as irresponsible with money as they are?

>>3579182
Are you upset because you sold your linkies at $30.

>>3579449
Anon, most of the world spends way more than that on other entertainment (e.g. streaming services, music, games). $5 to $10 a month is basically nothing, unless you are unemployed or making significantly worse life choices

>>3574412
>Brings Hitler
>Someone reply
>HaHA Go BaCk To PoL

>>3579647
i spend nothing on this kind of shit. only content i would ever consider paying for is niche content that is not even available anywhere. for popular shit adblockers are on and torrents are the choice for anything else. im not really against paying for something but weebs feel different.. its like they feel that they must pay or they will be a bad person, so its far more than just supporting someone you liked

>>3579992
>but weebs feel different.. its like they feel that they must pay or they will be a bad person, so its far more than just supporting someone you liked
where? all of Gura member streams are uploaded in nyaa, and nobody in /a/ /jp/ /m/ or any other weeb board of this weeb site will tell you anything for pirating, I don't know where did you come from but you should consider going back

>>3579992
Most likely just a shitpost bait but I'll bite.
I think you're generalizing the spending habits of an overall group based on a small vocal minority.
Majority of people who watch chuubas don't spend money. Another percentage subscribe and forget about it, and then you have the smaller percentage which are whales.
You need to get out of this place more, it's warping your perception on what is actually normal. The reality is most people just throw in 5 bones if they like the content and move on with their day.

>>3579992
I understand how you feel anon because I, too, don't like spending money on things that I can get for free. The biggest issue is that nothing ever is truly free. Other people are absorbing the costs for the people who are not paying. Sometimes it's out of good will, and other times it's advantageous for that person. Think about who made those adblockers for you. If it was open source, then they probably had a support/donate page.

Some weebs are just fucked up, so they spend a lot of money on this. That's not the average case

>>3580203
they are and im sure that its making many weebs seethe

>>3580216
the majority does not pay part sounds right but based on what i see on this site i would say that a weeb at least tries to buy as much stuff as they can. maybe someone is able to prove me wrong but until that weeb will mean hardcore consumerist to me. weeb products are not insanely overpriced for nothing...

>>3580476
You need to go back.

>>3580681
should have thought of that before putting big ads for the board in the most visible space of the site

>>3579992
>i spend nothing on this kind of shit. only content i would ever consider paying for is niche content that is not even available anywhere.
Despite vtubers growing in popularity this is still niche content. I'm also a freeloader, so I'm not looking down on you, but Cover and Niji are small companies serving a relatively small audience.

>>3580476
Do you tip a waitress? You don’t actually have to but many people tip anyway.

>>3580949
Depends on your country and location

>>3578994
Based capitalist.

>>3580949
this >>3581076
plus, that's retarded

>>3567110
Did you know there are adult Japanese women in their 30s that I unironically found attractive that have been trying to milk bfe experiences out of holostars. They had people come into a fan representation thing for v-tubers one time. I didn’t expect holostars fans to be hot women who were desperate for e-boy experience tbdesu. Really opens my eyes to how fucked the world is.

>>3581109
It’s their money anon. they can be as retarded as they like as long as they feel happy about it. That’s the whole point of free market.

>>3580938
not as niche as independent vtubers. with an audience of millions its hard to call the holo or other branded stuff niche

>>3581076
I doubt there are any country or location that not tipping is illegal. no one can force you to tip. It’s voluntary.

>>3581298
still makes them an asshole for not tipping in countries that do it.

>>3581511
I meant that in some locations and countries literally no one tips because it's not part of the culture. For example, it's not a common practice in Japan. Probably only foreigners attempt to do it

>>3579647
>music, games
To be fair those take way more effort to make

>>3581814
This. Some Jap restaurant, especially traditional one, will even see tipping as an insults... something to do with youlooking down on their wage.

>>3578604
It really doesn't matter. I get a dopamine blast every time I am throwing money to my oshi. I would probably spend it on booze, which would be killing my liver. But giving my oshi money pleases me without affecting my health in negative way.

>>3579056
you have to be 18 to post here

>>3578329
Who's the Japanese master in ID1?

>>3589303
Iofi

>>3589319
Iofi's collab translator niche, (2020-2020)
RIP

>>3589375
???

>>3589397
Refer to the big Among Us collab where Gura died every round and chumbuds seethed.

>>3589418
Oh, I thought we all agreed to blame Kiara for that even though she wasn't there.

>>3589492
That is the /vt/ way.

>>3589492
We did, anon just didn't get the memo

>>3580402
I'm member'd to Gura, and I'm personally fine magnets of her streams; pretty sure I asked someone here not to long ago of Mp3s of all her karaoke covers

I personally just view memberships as early screening; you guys have to wait 2-5 hours until someone else uploads the whole stream

>>3580203
Oh shit, so that is where they are. I've been asking for a while but nobody would tell me.

>>3572188
lmao at least be aware of where you are you dumbfuck

>>3589832
This isn't /pol/. The only Nazi supporters you'll find here are ones who got lost on the way to /pol/.

>>3589578
Another thing to consider is that as a member you have the ability to talk to the VTuber without as much chat spam, or if it's a game you might have a chance to participate, while people who download the streams do not have that opportunity. I'm not a member but I have respect for people who are, I think it's good of you to support the streamers you like, it helps them personally and enables them to continue streaming for the rest of us.

>>3589856
Man this place really has fallen if you fucks can't even take a joke about hitler without being forced together with the idiots who went so far they actually believe the contrarian garbage this place was known for

>>3589987
I like contrarian jokes as much as the next guy, but tourists legitimately look at posts such as these and use it as proof as to why Vtubers are a breeding ground for incels and racists.

>>3562304
>Nyanners has nearly 500k subs which is no slouch for someone without the Hololive bump
but she's the vtuber boost, her channel is a decade old

>>3572188
exactly

>>3590567
Regardless, she's very popular and the people who are attacking her in this thread just seem bitter that she dared to insult them and get away with it. Gotta push that narrative that anyone who goes against them immediately crashes and burns and that 4chan always wins and has a happy ending, even though reality has shown that's never the case.

>>3574412
>>>/reddit/

>>3591206
cope

>>3591466

>>3591700
advanced cope

>>3581130
The whole world needs a serious ass kicking to get back on track really.

>>3591161
>>>/pol/

>>3591865
The world's been having its ass kicked for the last year and a half and there are still people who deny their asses are being kicked. I don't think there is anything that can change the trajectory of the world at this point.

>>3590103
who cares? if you want a squeaky clean experience, fuck off to r*ddit. Jesus, at this point this place is another reddit colony like /v/. just leave

>>3533141
>uniquely appealing

It's the opposite, you don't need to be uniquely appealing, you just need to be generally mildly appealing and fun to a largest amount of people and inoffensive.

>>3597579
Gura is by far the most offensive member of HoloEN. Apparently people on YouTube like offensive things, same reason Pewdiepie is so popular.