/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I'm unironically interested in live2d rigging now. Is it just as hard as 3D rigging? How much do you get paid to do it for small indies? Do you need to be a drawfag to even consider it?

>>3477570
fuck, I just noticed my typo, I have brain problems where sometimes I my typing doesn't match my thoughts.

>>3477570
>let's talking

SEANIG.

Rigging isn't an important part of the Vtuber process anyway.

>>3477670
you need some understanding of typical artfag theory for sure, like how perspective and what not.

Let's talking about grammar first, broski

>>3477732
Yeah just like the guy in the OP
Oh wait

So how does the rigging work anyways? Pointing at the process from the 2D character design to the movable implementation.

>>3477570
https://twitter.com/Shin_umiushi_O
best rigger in the industry

>>3477570
I'M A LIVE2D RIGGER, LOOK AT ME.

>>3477721
Clearly

>>3477570
Look at how they massacred my girl

>>3477570
RIGGER HATE

>>3477801
nigga this is unironically on the level of rigging she gave gura

>>3478182
NO NO NO GURA STOP TURNING EVERYONE IS GOING TO NOTICE THE EAR

Fuck riggers

How do you get paid to be Gura's Live2D rigger?

>>3477801
COVER COMMISSION THIS MAN

>>3477784
Navarro...

>>3480723
This expect replace the first r with a n

So, how much can you make as a rigger and character designer?
I have art experience, and I'd like to learn how to rig models (both to make my own and for commissions).

>>3480724
Apparently you just send a message on cover's contact form and they'll get in touch with you

>>3477570
LETS TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH OF A SEANIGGER U ARE ANON

>>3477570

>>3485247
What I find so fascinating about this is that live2d has a reflect motion tool. Like, you can just hit the button, and if you rigged it properly one way, you rig it properly the other way. He had to choose to not use it.

>>3477570

>>3485455
That is in fact part of the problem, the double rigger used the reflect tool on an asymmetrical model, which is why the cat ear is floating because on the left side its hidden by the ponytail.

Anybody have their personal favorite riggers hired by Cover? My top three is currently Keffiy, Jujube, and Naname.

How to do a better low effort job than gura's rigger:
>get blender
>add plane
>apply texture on a plane
>subdivide
>bend it slightly
>rotate
No drawfag knowledge required

>>3487055
This looks like a piece of paper being turned. No 3d illusion at all. You suck.

>>3487261
Still better than gura's actual rigging

>>3477784
this smells like 2003...

>>3487414
>it actually is from 2003

>>3487261
Yes, but it took me less than a minute to do it
If you put some effort in deforming the plane the right way, separate different parts to different layers, so that they would be at a different distance to the camera, then the result would be much better

>>3477781
I haven't watched it myself but I think Juniper(moth girl) has streamed herself working on her own rig. I'm sure there are better guides but if you just want to see someone work on it maybe check her twitch archives?

>>3477570

>>3477570
>Umiushi wa warukunai yo ne

>>3483086
Depends on how good you are at rigging, just check the Live2D discord server's marketplace. Might wanna act fast and learn now before the boom bursts if you're serious about this.
$50-$200 bottom of the barrel rigging
$200-400 beginner tier
$500-1000 medium to high tier
$1000 high to IV level rigging

>>3477781
check the /asp/ pastebin

>>3490867
Oh god imagine if he rigged watame.

Rigga please

Is rigger the new jogger?

>>3491515
What does wrestling have to do with it

RIGGER HATE

>>3492001
It works a lot better. The r and i look a lot like an n when reading quickly.

>rigger hasn't tweeted since riggergate
>normally tweets multiple times a day
It's over.

>>3492130
I'll believe it when cover makes an announcement.

>>3477784

>>3492130
optimist rrat: she saw the backlash and is now working on fixing / improving the rig

>>3493209
I fucking hope so, for her sake if nothing else, but I guarantee you if anything does get fixed it'd just be her cat ears and the transparency. The facial rigging is too well baked into the core of the live2d and in order to fix that they'll have to practically rerig that entire model, and that won't happen for six months at least.

>>3492068
you break chuuba bones and stuff

>>3339798 if you do wanna find it

>>3493209
>Gura 2.0
>It's even worse

>>3478182
>>3479927
Isnt there a way to program it that Gura always faces the same side?

>>3487308
AHAHHAHHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK KEK

>>3493326
pros could do the entire rig in a month or two (maybe more depending how complex you want some animations) and that's with having other commisions to work on at the same time

>>3494139
Yes, but do you really think Cover will shell out for that?

>>3491495
Are you telling me Cover is not willing to shell out at least one grand for their holos

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>>3496671

>>3477570
Whoa there, not the hard r
Just say rigga

>>3496422
It's the same company that spent a whole $30 to buy an unity asset for Botan's 3D debut

>>3496422
I don't think it's something as simple as "they're cheap", it's way fucking dumber than that.
Going by those Yagoo interviews that got summarized a little while back it felt to me like there's this weird ideal in the company that the freelance artists, riggers, music producers etc. they use are all part of the Big Hololive Family, which is nice and utopian, but once it starts negatively affecting your talents you might need to fuck off and re-evaluate.

>>3496422
I bet this guy actually charges premium rates.

By the way, I'm 99% certain the models need the talent's approval before being greenlit because we've already heard them talk about how much input they have. I can understand this happening once, but to 4 different girls? (5 if we count Korone's shitty birthday cake)

So either they're getting scammed hard or the girls simply can't tell a shitty rig from a good one.

tl;dr hiring indies is fine but Cover needs a dedicated Live2D expert to do QC.

>>3497919
Or the girls see the the outfit a like day before the deadline, and only have time to make small individual adjustments. We don't know shit about how Cover works internally.

>>3497919
>>3498136
I think it's more likely just Gura being her autistic self and/or being afraid to rock the boat, especially since she'd have to go through a translator.
Also even if she wanted it changed, if it was just minor corrections it'd be one thing, the rig being garbage from the bottom up is another.

>>3498389
This. She has mentioned that when it comes to friends she is someone that just goes with the flow right? I’m sure it’s not different for her in a work atmosphere for someone who does not have a lot of professional experience in the ‘corporate environment’ if you could call it that.

>>3498389
Why do they have a fucking manager then? It's her job to advice the girls, to provide quality control, and to clean up their mistakes. If there is a person to blame, it's not even the rigger, it's the manager who looked at it and thought that this is acceptable work.
Why do they pay any cut to Cover if the company can't even provide this basic service?

>>3493209
That's what I'd be doing. You don't want a name this big attached to 'you fucked up'.

>>3477721
You could even argue it's the most important part.

>>3491495
this type of animation is also used in vidya as well if you're interested in getting a job in that industry.

>>3487261
>>3487913
You don't even need drawfag knowledge for L2D rigging except for basic understanding of perspective (if you watch a lot of anime, you will know what looks good and what doesn't).

The Live2D model is a collection of separate parts that you attach together on layers and deform as you need. The way it was done >>3487055 was crude but understandable. Hell, you could rig up the equivalent of an L2D using 3D modeling software like Blender because L2D and 3D modeling operate on the same principles. Supposing that L2D's motion capture and physics animation are manually animated (I don't know since I don't know much about L2D beyond the stuff that I've read on it on the page), you could in theory automate the whole process in Blender since it has physics baked in.

>>3500139
Anon would have to live somewhere in East Asia to make it.

>>3497919
>>3498389
>>3498611
How can you deflect blame onto Gura when Coco got stuck with umiushi for over a year, is it a coincidence that Coco ditched umiushi and got rerigged by keffiy, one of the best in the industry, when she had the chance?
Whats more likely for Cover: Matsuri, Coco, Anya and Gura didn't complain or that they did complain and were told its too late the work is done (shoganai) your next outfit will be better trust me.

Is there anyone out there that can beat Brian Tsui?

https://youtu.be/nADpylb8Gdo

>>3501588
Hair looks flat. It's on the back of the head but in front of her chest. Should be lying on the shoulder (although that's probably extremely difficult to make). Very good rig otherwise.

>>3501085
Not deflecting blame onto her I just didn’t think she spoke up for herself. Hopefully I am wrong and she did though

>>3501758
The hair isn't flat, the whole character is, since there is no actual volume being generated to handle the images. If you want to make it have the impression of the 2D image having volume, it would probably have to be manually rigged and it will likely be way more work than what it's worth.

>>3501085
>or that they did complain and were told its too late the work is done (shoganai) your next outfit will be better trust me.
This 100%. And these fuckers take 35% of their earnings

>>3501588
https://youtu.be/1lDi8dkBKPI
Woah

>1. Spam Cover with demands to fire the rigger on their report website
The goal is to make Cover understand that it's not just a few people who are upset with this but many. It should ensure that this won't just get a band-aid fix but that the rigger is permanently let go. Perhaps it will even cause Cover to treat the chuubas better although that's wishful thinking.

>2. Harass everyone who defends the rigger on twitter
The goal is to not let the "vocal minority sending death threats" narrative take root. The white knights need to get BTFO wherever they pop up.

>3. Bring up on social media how unfair it is that the other 4 got 10/10 models while she's stuck with this piece of shit, whenever the other 4's models are mentioned
This will ensure that the drama won't "blow over" and stays UNTIL the problem is fixed.

>4. SC Kiara about it because Kiara has no issue openly shitting on Cover and raising a stink
WORST case scenario, a few viewers who don't browse social media will learn of the problem and we will have an actual hololive member representing our case. BEST case scenario, a clipper clips and it blows up, informing thousands of hololive watchers who aren't browsing leddit/twitter of the crimes committed against Gura by this scam artist.

ALL RIGGERS MUST HANG

>>3502416
>>2.
Harassing implies that you're being actively hostile. Dispelling the narrative is simple though: demands proof of death threats.

I know being called incompetent in whatever form (including insults) isn't a death threat or a personal attack, but how do you go about convincing others that this is the case when most people have such thin skin?

Same rigger
https://youtu.be/t6aDyNxZE40?t=8042

>>3497919
It wouldn't surprise me of the talent are heavily consulted on the design aspect, but the rigging ends up being a "you get what you get" especially if Cover is trying to rush things.

Fire all riggers except keffiy when

>>3506725
Gura looks so goofy looking to the side compared to the indie. You can drive a container ship between her eyes when she turns.

>>3499420
Yes but that's speaking as a rational person that takes pride in your work. You'd probably have also given it a once over to make sure the ears were attached and that there weren't any fucking holes in the middle of the model for one of the top vtubers in the world.

>>3501085
>Coco got stuck with umiushi for over a year
As far as I know Umiushi is only credited for her NY outfit, not the original.

>>3510848
>especially if Cover is trying to rush things
Doubt it, they seem to have plenty of time for test streams and naked incidents.

>>3500765
Not necessarily, freelancers can be hired from all across the world, especially in this day and age.

>>3512340
The indie has the same issue, she's just stiffer so it doesn't show up as well, kinda like Gura's original rig.

>>3514451
I pixel counted both of them. At least the gap between the eyes shrink relative to the width of the face on the indie. On Gura the gap grows proportionally which is part of the reason why she looks flat.

>>3514708
You mean the width stays the same right?

>>3514894
yep

>>3500139
Examples?

>>3515980
The neptunia series makes heavy use of it, off the top of my head.

>>3515980
Nekopara was one of the first eroge to have live2d. A lot of gatcha games like Bandori use it too.

>>3516039
>>3520096
I'm assuming it is more prevalent in Japanese games or Asia than in Western games.

>>3523964
It's predominantly used for anime styled characters so of course it would.

>>3477570
At least 10 people looked a Gura's rig and thought it was ok before the outfit stream

Frankly if you're really looking to harass the person the best way isn't to call names, but to show that you can do better work than they can in very little time, constantly. Getting your own incompetency shoved in your face all the time, especially when it involves your job, is an awful thing.

Course that assumes they care, which they probably don't. But even if they didn't it would still be damn annoying for them to be forever compared. in their twitter.

>>3528514
Yeah, so how about we post some actual good riggers in here instead of the absolute dregs of the industry?

>>3510978
tou_illie and rariemon are gods

>>3500610
The way it was done by anon was not a crude version of it at all. He just had a bent picture that was being rotated in 3d space. It looked exactly like what it was. No illusion. no deforming. It wasn't good at all.

>>3531791
Rariemon is on a break I think, the last rig he did was months ago.

Good morning.
I hate riggers.

>>3512340
>>3514451
HanaFlo is part of Kawaii, another small vtuber company similar to Prism that debuted their first gen recently.
Jank is a little bit more apparent when she brings out her hands but she's cute so I think it's fine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHaCr_1l_cs

>>3539797
To be fair most vtuber hands are janky, even the ones done by supposedly good riggers like Coco's 2.0 model (Keffy). There's not alot of use cases for having hands pop up so most riggers don't bother and the ones who do add it as an afterthought.

>>3532325
Just like gura's rig amirite?

People were shitting on him for using auto but how you are supposed to draw the polygons?

>>3541471
Shitty ms paint mockup, but it should look something like this. The polygons should follow the lines of the skirt, instead of being applied over the fucking lines. The way he did it is akin to carpeting over the hinges of a door.

>>3542117
Just for reference

>>3542117
wouldnt the buttons get mangled then?

>>3543836
yes, hence shitty ms paint mockup

>>3543879
ok I get it now

>>3531791
tou_illie rigs' mouth tracking is really superior

>>3487308
What's wrong with this aga-
>Looks down
Holy shit oh no no no no

>>3493996
>>3544088
What's the problem? I might be selectively blind so I'd appreciate knowing exactly what to look for.

>>3487308
Next to the other girls it looks a thousand times worse

>>3477570
Here is the worst thing, at least one of the new girls for gen 2 will have this rigger, and will have as bad if not worse rig than Gura

>>3545295
Going by the current pattern of both JP and EN the worst rig of a gen over compensates and become more successful, so its actually a big brain move

>>3546042
Anya seems to disprove your hypothesis.

>>3497919
Ame briefly touched on the designing part at the end of her reveal stream.

>>3497919
Girls have input into the initial design, not the completed rig. What the fuck do you think, Cover gives them the rig and they have an option to decline? They all have debut deadlines set, anon. They only ever delay shit if the rig is just not done at all. Gura said that even her original model came in the last minute, literally days before her debut. These outfits seem to be similarly rushed, half of the planned features are missing, like Mori's removable jacket and Ina's butt wings and other accessories. I don't think the girls can do anything about the finished product.