/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>magic and fun of Hololive
Around the end of 2020, I guess? Then I started watching vtubers outside Hololive and now I enjoy vtubers more than I ever did.

>>34188325
Coco's graduation
Rushia graduation

Stopped watching Hololive when they never played Genshin Impact. Only watch niji now.

>>34188325
When I realized that I'm a fucking loser. I religiously watched people having fun and being happy while I myself am stuck with the complete opposite. Nothing really changed after watching less, but I do have more time in my hands to spare. And I spend that time working overtime.

>>34188325
After watching indies for a while. Watching people you like belittle each other in an anonymous thread really puts into perspective how petty everyone is and how much 2 views don't deserve attention. I doubt it will be an everyday hobby ever again.

The magic hasn't died and it was never an every day thing for me to begin with, but I watch streams a lot less often now that I'm a vtuber myself.

after this board was created

>>34189534
It really is quite bad.

>>34189517
indie or corpo?

>>34190329
Indie, but I'm hoping to get into a corpo sometime in the next few years. Even if that doesn't end up panning out I really enjoy what I do.

>>34188325
Noel fucking a dildo on camera with her big brown nipples hanging out ruined her for me.

>>34188325
When I made a fangame and all the people I got in were chinks trying to get easy brownie points with their internet communities and Cover sock accounts who only ever came up with excuses. And my oshi, who was the only one working but got smothered by management.

>>34188325
Council debut
It's been on a rapid decline since we let those whores in.

>>34189534
>>34189698
Doesn't help that the moderation is lolcow troons/dykes

>>34188325
EN debut, then Coco's suspention and CN graduation really irked me, but latwly I've been watching more /lig/ tubers and enjoying myself

>>34188325
noticing that they never diversify their game choices and every new gen from a small corpo also fails in that regard
not only that, but the few vtubers who actually have interesting game choice will half the time abandon it in favor of chasing numbers or not pissing off people who don't even watch them anyway (i.e Nina Kosaka)

>>34188325
They don't play games I'm interested in

>>34190369
Good luck to you anon. Don't give up.

>>34190815
o7 Will do. It got a lot easier once I stopped caring about what this board has to say.

>>34188325
>what would it take?
When there is a decent number of cute EN chuuba with competitive level gaming skills. So far we only got selen and goomba, but selen alone can only do so much and shart got crippled by rhythm games' rights issue

Sure there are cute 2views with mad skills, but there are too much dead air and they still need to work on their talking game

>>34190877
The weird thing is that Tempus debuting and not being so bad has made more people wake up and realize male collabs are a symptom.
Basically, just remember why it is people watch you and don’t do anything dumb to completely fuck up those expectations (or make it gradual if you do want to change your content) and you should be fine.

>>34190877
You will fail, boring ugly whore

>>34190988
Yeah, that seems like a given. I'm hoping to be coworkers with those guys.

>>34190989
Rope. Now. Short drop so it takes awhile and you suffer doing it.

>>34188325
When I realized that vtubers have roommates who have side-gigs other than vtubing, or vtubing is the side-gig for them. That shattered the illusion for me and it's all been downhill from there.
It was pretty fun to enjoy my chuubas while ignorant living in la-la land.

>>34191045
Oof, struck a nerve huh? Kek

the magic of vtubers has always been seeing the perspective of failed normalfags, outcasts, and general weirdoes who previously struggled to find a wageslave career they don't absolutely hate
they have this platform where they can express their creativity, make connections otherwise not possible, and be themselves for literally once in their lives
and there are more of them, in more niches, and with more support now than ever
the only people who are still seriously whining about corpo politics are children who grew up with twitch streaming and youtube react content, one of the lowest forms of consumers

>>34191157
>the magic of vtubers has always been seeing the perspective of failed normalfags, outcasts, and general weirdoes who previously struggled to find a wageslave career they don't absolutely hate
What the fuck are you babbling about, retard?

>>34190958
I think what would help is doing more collabs that aren't just co-op games.
Like playing a story based game with another vtuber there to provide support. Not just with the dead air issue but with gameplay too.
This was a common thing with some let's play channels back in the day.

>>34189002
This. Coco's graduation due to isolation cracked the illusion heavily and Rushia from the legendary and untouchable gen3 getting terminated completely shattered it. I've completely lost interest in involving myself with vtubing beyond my oshi since then.

Started watching patra and mary in 2018 and i still watch patra and mary as well as a bunch more so i guess i like vtubers even more 5/years later

>>34191138
That was a different anon, sweetie. That might have even been you replying to yourself.

>>34191157
Agreed, never understood why it's so common to complain that employees have to work for their employers.

Mayuzumi graduation. I liked to believe I watched vtubers with the curtains open from the beginning. I didn't really care if they were all fake, lying, working for tone deaf companies, I am just watching to waste time and put a smile on my face with antics and cuteness. I am here for the show even if it isn't believable. But it was like the final curtain opened. That pinpoint moment where he announced it, my passion evaporated, and I'm someone who (still) has merch on my walls and keys, and even learned how to use Live2D from how invested I got.
Before this, I was beginning to get annoyed with the whole concept when I realized even the offshoot youtubers I watch who mingle with my favorite chuubas, also had to deal with corporation influences and rabid fans despite being 3D dudes who live in mountains of trash. The fun and games aspect was waning a bit when an article promoting ROF-MAO made vtubers who I viewed as being wholly chill and moving at their own pace, into robots, with the added worry that they were pretty flippant about the long filming days and filming while sick. The indies I liked started to lose their flair and felt sanitized. Even the ones with single digit viewers, I got bored with, because while they maintain integrity and basically do comfy vlogs, I finally woke up to how repetitive it was.
I also realize, now that I stopped watching streams, I have lost this "guilt" as a viewer which is nice.
>my oshi feels bad so I feel bad
>people are annoyed at my oshi/annoyed at his associate so I feel responsible
>a vtuber got doxxed so I am anxious
I don't think those things anymore. You may laugh at these thoughts but this entire board is mired in them, tribalism doesn't only mean fighting the other tribe. It also means attaching yourself to the metaphorical tribe and making their issues your issues.
I still browse this board because even if I haven't renewed memberships in months or sat down for a stream since the summer, I have been addicted to this site for over a decade. Thanks for reading my blog.

>>34191369
It was but you seem mad too. Never gonna make it, femcel.

>>34188325
As a Soratomo, the magic has not died. Sora is still as magical as the first stream I watched her on.

>>34191493
Keep digging your hole, anon

>>34191493
Can't say that I am, anon, just felt like putting that out in the open. I'm also a man. I'll give you a few more replies since I've got some free time if you'd like.

>>34191504
She's a cunt. Fake as fuck.

When I found out that Mori is the grinch

>>34191891
Built for my goop

>>34191157
And then you realize chuubas are all those sorts of losers who lucked out and can now afford to show how much they hate the people from the place where they came from.

>>34192048
Most of those people never came from the fans to begin with.
If you ever get someone that's telling people to go touch grass or that openly mocks most vtuber fans for being single losers or whatever, it's entirely likely they're a fraud.

>>34188325
When vtubers became just ethots with an anime avatar. Now every bitch wants to be a vtuber without understanding its culture or tries to push shitty politics. None of this would have happened if HoloEN had never existed

>>34192183
So, around half of HoloEN?

>>34188325
After year one of Myth. I burned out.

>>34188325
>hobby
Holy delusion

>>34188325
i think when coco graduated, even though i wasn't a fan of her. the lockdown period was over and i remember thinking that this was a confirmation, the golden age was over. i'm just still here because i hadn't felt such happiness as i did during lockdown discovering miko, fubuki, korone and even nijisanji. i guess i do still enjoy some, but not in the same way

>>34194152
What would you define it as then?

>>34188325
Its never stopped

>>34188325
I will only talk about EN in general since JP timezone is hell for me.
There is simple a lack of talent, you just pick your favourite one, that is gonna stream games like the rest and thats it.
I watch JP chuubas Vods for ASMR since EN sucks in that regard. Decent singers (Live stream) we only have Enna and Irys.
Next gens of both Niji and Holo need to give us something new already.

When watame had that "problem" on her switch. I truly believed until then that the girls were out there to help and be a positive force on the viewers lives. After that it became just a time-wasting hobby I do when I don't have anything to watch or do.
There is not coming back after the magic is broken.

>>34188325
I got tired of the never-ending Minecraft/Apex/Ark/Rust streams as well as gaming streams where they never do anything interesting and instead just blankly pretend to react to the game.
I didn't really stop watching vtubers less as a whole, however. I mostly switched from large vtubers to 2views because it's more fun to chat with the streamer.

>>34188325
All i know is noel is a man hating whore cam girl.

>>34196069
Please understand.
They HAVE to do Minecraft/Apex/Ark/Rust their audience is too stupid to comprehend any other game and they automatically debuff games that arent FOTM or f2p multiplayer.
That and hololive can't get perms for JRPG's.

>>34188325
Realized my oshi never gave a shit about me (or anyone else really). I never expected her to love me or anything like that, I knew that would be delusional and setting myself up for disappointment, but at least care about what they do and care about their viewers. You know, keeping a schedule, telling them to stop paying memberships when they move platforms, play a game or chat instead of putting on videos and cookie clicker while being bored on stream, accept criticism and I mean real criticism, not just sitting on them.
After I stopped watching them I didn't participate in any other community for a while until I started watching another one, and while it was fine for a while the same thing happened. They were always late, they blamed others for their own mistakes and never admitted to them, etc.
It feels like being spit on the face when you spend your time watching and put in effort to make art and complete projects. It's partly my fault for choosing shit people to watch, but it got tiring.

>>34188325
They killed the CEO OF SEX.

>>34188325
worms collab. i thought i can handle it, turns out it ruins me. i cant find fun without having bad thoughts behind my mind anymore. at this rate might as well move on.

>>34188325
Tempiss. Made me realise how vtubers are just a bunch of sub part 3 or 2 view flesh tubers who can't make it I their fleshy self. Finally switch back to fleshtuber who knows how to be a good streamer.

>>34196516
She's alive again

>>34196446
Who was your oshi and the second person that disappointed you?

>>34189303
Based and now you can afford Vtuber merch pilled

>>34196626
>She's alive again
It make me seethe even more, at least there is the big event like 24hours Mikorone once in every bloodmoon...

>>34188325
My former oshi swapped when she streamed so it went from evening streams for me to 5 in the morning, then she started doing nonstop collabs, playing Ark, Apex, etc- and I just lost interest after that because even when the stream was about a different game she'd still spend an hour chit chatting about what she did in Ark the other day. I even tried playing it myself to see what the big deal is and I just can't.

>>34191292
I'd rather watch solo streams where the chuubas personality and niche can shine..collabs are kinda boring if its overdone

>>34195307
Oh? This I haven't heard about before, what happened to Watame?

>>34188325
vtubers are just e-celebs and 3d streamers but with an additional layer of cope.
if your e-celeb/3d streamer doesn't fit you then either you just no longer like their content or no longer enjoy watching e-celebs/3d streamers in general.
it's that simple.

Do you want a genuine answer? I don't think it's what anyone wants to hear.

It was when I started using this board regularly.

>>34196852
See I think this board actually made vtubers more fun for me, up until the past few months when it has just been consumed with drama. I don't think I would have enjoyed it as much without a place like this to talk about it.

>>34196965
For me its the opposite. The only way I would learn about vtuber drama was through /vt/

Before that I would simply ignore it, but here its thrust in your face

>>34196852
I won't argue with that at all. This board is miserable about something just about every day, and the most active posters consider getting in pointless arguments with each other to be a significant part of their hobby.
Vtubers get a lot more enjoyable the less time you spend here.

>>34197069
It's genuinely all that gets discussed here. This is honestly one of the worst boards on the website in this regard. It's full of people that started using this website in the late 2010s that think you have to be an insufferable contrarian to even use this website at all.

>>34188325
First the meltdown about permissions severely limited what they could play because of greedy fucking companies like Nintendo and Squeenix effectively deleting 80% of their possible content, mostly things I liked to watch.
Secondly, Coco started poisoning the rest of the branch after pandering to reddit, and causing ARK streams to fill up entire schedules with 10h of content for 5min of "funny".
And lastly EN debut and pandering to the west with the blandest possible people made talking about the hobby impossible and generated people like the majority of this board.

In other words, they can't and won't make the content I liked watching them for anymore. Even Nijisanji slowed down.
And my oshi graduated.

>>34197069
It's more like there was an imbalance.
Reddit is a massive hugbox where nothing goes wrong ever.
vt is where everything is going wrong all the time and the final yab will arrive any minute now.
There needs to be a balance. Closest is twitter but that's shit for it's own reasons.

>>34196755
Just unicorn shit, nothing normal people care about.

>>34188325
I watch less right now because Gura is less active. I thought I was a Hololive fan and a Myth fan, but it turns out I'm mainly just a Gura fan.
The magic isn't gone though, I fucking loved that 3D live.
When Gura is active and streaming often, I watch other Holos more often too. If she's not around, I mostly just do other stuff while waiting for her return.

>>34197069
For me it's the opposite of this anon..being a holobronny after discovering this board, I realised how fake everyone on the reddit page was and never went back to holo or reddit

>>34197187
/vt/ was an enigma to me before EN males (Niji ones too) because it felt like the most feminine male board, with all the overanalysis and worship. It legitimately got less fun when EN males showed up because the anons felt threatened and now every "oh my god becky did you see how iris spoke at last night's collab" is filled with boring ass unicorn discussion.

>>34196703
Same here. All those collabs were fun the first few times but now it's become the majority of her content, to the detriment of her solo streams; now it feels like the audience is just a third wheel. Most of those collabs aren't even in English despite her starting as an EN vtuber, so I can't even understand most of her streams anymore.

>>34197258
Different anon, but something I've come to realize from this is that the balance is unfortunately only going to be found in your own mind. The state of the internet is just not conducive to actually having any sort of palatable conversation on a public forum about practically anything.
Posting actually kinda sucks and is a waste of time, it turns out. I'd focus more on making friends that share your interests on these sorts of forums and social networks instead of concerning yourself with finding the right website to lurk comfortably; that sort of thing just isn't going to happen online anymore.

>>34196626
Kana, then Kiki.

>>34197405
It's times like this I wish I could go back to 2012...

>>34197261
Ah ok, I thought it was an actual event.

>>34190563
I started branching out shortly after Council went from streaming to..."taking it easy". I spent a bit of time only reading this board out of boredom.
Then I got so annoyed at all the bait about a particular small corpo and some of their talents, namely a certain blonde who jumped ship from another company, that I actually watched a stream, not clips, for the first time in ages.
That was a month ago, and this morning I finally tuned into a Vesper stream. I laughed enough at the traffic light that I was worried the car in front of me thought I was crazy.
Just be entertaining, it's not that hard. I'm fine with Tempus, I love PC. Hell, at least NijiEN has some good songs. HoloEN songs don't even appear on my recommendeds when I listen to other vtuber originals or covers or even HoloJP

>>34197405
The problem is most people lack the introspection to understand why they believe the things they believe.

>>34197549
Most people here are also SEAs who lack the ability to think and only browse this board to be le funny upset and throw fits.

>>34197261
You weren't even watching her and how she responded back then but you still sound so certain of yourself. This is why people don't like sharing in here.

>>34197374
Yup, I feel more or less the same way. I don't really understand how some of these posters I read the thoughts of function at all in real life. They have the same conversations about the same things over and over again regardless of the people they're talking about. She's lazy, she's a whore, he's a sexpest, X company is ruined. It's like I'm looking at the worst that fandoms on Twitter and Tumblr had to offer from ten years ago but these guys somehow pat themselves on the backs and call each other based for it.
>>34197505
Me too sometimes, but at the same time I know I can't recreate something that already happened. I'm just grateful offline isn't anything like online.

>>34188325
Around the time HoloEN debuted and cunts wouldn’t fuck off from the /jp/ thread.

>>34197549
I don't want to believe it, but this certainly seems true a lot of the time.
>>34197604
Get real, anon. A lot of these people are from the Anglosphere. That isn't to say that we don't have a lot of people from SEA posting here, but come on. A lot of these people are from Europe and North America.

>>34188325
started and ended after burning out from larger corpos
started again after finally finding a couple small corpos. It's great watching them grow

>>34197604
I remember when a friend of mind sent my a screenshot from someone going on another board basically admitting that they use /vt/ to farm (you)'s and don't actually watch vtubers.
I'd have to dig for the image but i'm too tired to do it right now.

>>34197764
I am being real. The board is at its worst during those hours, and it's a problem on the other two boards I visit as well. Of course there's also a lot more problems such as underage people, twitter refugees, reddit users (because 4chan is just reddit-dark now) and so on and so forth. There's groups dedicated to making this place the worst it can be and I'm not just gonna look the other way and pretend as if they're the same type of user as the ones that actually contribute and talk about streams.

>>34188325
When all this anti-idol culture stuff started going full force. It would take turning back time to be an everyday hobby again

>>34191448
Laugh at me if you want, but this is me: >>34197521
I was getting indifferent to vtubers too and mostly just reading this board wondering what I ever saw in vtubers for awhile, and then I started getting so annoyed at all the rrats about Lumi and never getting proof when I asked for sources that I just watched a damn stream and realized I liked her.
We all know /this/ board specifically is full of shit, but once you've debunked one rrat, it's both easier to ignore the schizos AND to realize when people are actually making a good point on a platform that isn't a hugbox.

>>34197261
normal people wouldnt watch vtuber or even be here in the first place

>>34197886
I still just don't buy it as far as /vt/ is concerned. I've read the board during SEA hours and some of the absolute worst things I've read here read distinctly like the words and thoughts of someone who speaks English as their first language.

>>34197766
>started again after finally finding a couple small corpos. It's great watching them grow
Getting into Phase Connect over the last few months has been a weird ride. It feels like I'm getting Baader-Meinhofed with how much people started talking about inclines and such.
Then again, I got into them because of bait and shitposts /here/, so of course the two would be correlated.

>>34197766
Honestly this. Small corpos and indies seem to retain the feeling pandemic Hololive had.
It just feels much more tight knit and like an actual community.

>>34197886
>>34198140
I don't think it can be bogged down to just one region. It's safe to assume that this board just naturally breeds a lot of shitters from all over the world.

>>34198396
I can agree with this. I guess what I'm really trying to say is that to pin it on the SEA boogeyman just kinda reeks of xenophobia and doesn't seem terribly grounded in reality.

>>34198175
I dislike Pippa immensely but if it wasn't for her and her schizo baiters, I never would have discovered Hime.

>>34190624
Why conveniently put the seaniggers ones out of that equation?

>>34197713
It's stranger to me because I am familiar with the way people on Tumblr interact and it isn't like /vt/ at all. /vt/ is a mix between kpop twitter and pull/lolcow. I would say the most tumblr aspect of this board is the worshipping aspect.

>When did the magic and fun of vtubers start to die off for (you)?

I just slowly got bored of it. I got into Myth, got bored. Got into NijiEN, got overwhelmed when they started adding the boys. There are some indies I still watch since I always saw VTubers as more of a small-scale experience, but there aren't many; and after finding some disappointing truths about who I had as an oshi, I lost all excitement I had for her and I'm sure it'll kill all my interest in the industry as a whole.

I still love Sui-chan and Roboco so maybe if I finally start doing my reps I'll use them for it, but I just got bored of VTubers, I guess.

>If you watch less now, will it ever become an everyday hobby for you again and what would it take?

I don't think so. Maybe if I befriended another one, I'd support them and their stream like I've done in the past, but I don't think I'm gonna put myself on that situation again.

>>34198020
I'm not sure if you're replying to the right anon. But don't take away that I truly think they're all fake 24/7, I was just being bitter and generalizing. I do (to a lesser degree now as I'm not losing sleep over streams) love my oshi. I wake up to his face on my wall every day still despite not wanting to watch streams. I listen to vtuber music still. Gossip was not the thing that was the final push out of my obsession, just being irritated with growing rigidity. I am not alone in this, and it hit especially hard when SEEDs discussed how things have changed 'from the old days'.
I mean, I am here admitting I am a fan of Nijisanji males. If gossip would make me hate everything I would have stopped watching ages ago as anything said on this board pales in comparison to outside of it, /vt/ is an oasis when it comes to discussion of Japanese males. No comment on EN boys since their stuff never really appealed to me, and I am not being tribalistic but it just felt too astroturfed and oversexual.
Reminds me a bit of how Jerma's humor is deteriorating so hard due to popularity that he pulled a "haha googling 'sidon shoving it down your throat' oh wow I didn't expect PORN to show up!" joke, and people ate it up

>>34188325
Around a year ago, not much interesting stuff was happening, streams felt like they were getting more and more repetitive, lacked variety, plus getting dissapointed by some decisions from the corpos I watched and new vtubers I found not grabbing my interest or dissapointing me, combined with the ones I watched and was interested on having schedules that were horrible for me, getting busier with non-stream related stuff and reducing the amount of streams they put out caused me to lose gradually lose interest in the hobby.
Add to that browsing this hellhole of a board daily without fully blocking out the shit spewed here and my interest only plummeted futher (I actually had a period of enjoying the hobby much more again after severely reducing the amount of time I spent /here/, but it didn't last long) and nowadays I mostly just watch clips if that.

>>34188325
when covid slowed down and work picked back up, don't have enough time to go and watch a lot of streams now, just mostly a tourist.

also the fans, you mostly get either deranged unicorns or ultra-normies joining in due to the hype it created. both are cringe as fuck.

>>34197886
It's just weird to pretend anons who only speak English aren't the ones posting the vile shit alongside those retards you see.

>>34188325
Noel is such a cute girl, I bet she has cute pink nipples

>>34191663
please kill yourself

>>34188325
Last year. I still watch but idk why anymore.

>>34188325
I haven't really watched a stream in over a year. My magic died when I touched the apex, when Suisei beat Aqua in the mario kart tournament and cried of joy, while Aqua cried in pain. After that it was back to regularly scheduled programming of lazy minecraft and shovelware dogshit steam horror games.

Did you guys know that there's apparently a global rule that forbids complaining about 4chan? I didn't know that until today.

>>34199620
Sorry if I was confusing. What I meant is that I had no idea that I would actually start giving a shit about vtubers anymore, but somehow here I am, a few minutes after making my first visit to /mans/ to tell them how funny the Tempus boys are. It seemed like you were done with vtubing completely, so I thought I'd my experience.
I said "laugh at me if you want" because my oshi is Lumi and half the time people will call you a shill if you mention PC or Pippa or Lumi unprompted.

>>34203354
Then yes, I am sort of done with vtubing completely, at least until I get the spark back again which probably won't happen, as a good majority of my favorites are (still) Nijisanji. Being able to tune out the drivel said online and judge for yourself is what made me love vtubers in the first place, and the fact that some of them interacted with people I've been a fan of for almost a decade helped.
If I had to condense my reasoning: It's not the people behind the avatars or the people watching the streams,, but the boxes the vtubers are being put in, that turned me away finally.

>>34188325
Isolate all whore and homo. Let me enjoy pure idol in peace

>>34188325
when someone paid me to shill on 4channel.org

I barely watch clips now, let alone stream.
I just browser /vt/ but feel really empty.

>>34204902
No better time to quit reading than now.

>>34188325
We had it so much better last year.
We were fools to take it for granted.
>2021:
>we still had Coco & Rushia
>no Tempiss male collabs
>2022:
>no more Coco
>no more Rushia
>Tempiss turning holoEN into nijiEN lite

>>34188325
Myth debut (and JP5 debut)
Coco's fault

>>34197521
Fuck off and die homobeggar
Your whores and faggots are boring as fuck

>>34188325
>When did the magic and fun of vtubers start to die off for (you)?
Never really happened to me. As a mostly HoloJP watcher, they're still hard carrying the scene as far as I'm concerned.
They've hit some bump in the road but they always demonstrated to be able to get back on their feet and keep pushing forward.
Hell, one of my favorite streams ever, Pekker's Rust S2 finale, took place barely a month ago.
I just love group dynamics and I think they are still one of the strongest examples of why I do.

>>34188325
I started watching vtubers in 2017 and have stuck around since. 2019/2020fags were always fickle bitch tourists.

>>34210099
Then tell me what you think about Kerin's divebombing quality.

>>34188325
Not sure what is happening with EN since I no longer watching them. On JP side everything is still pretty good, I was having a blast watching Ayame's late night Valorant the other day. Both Niji and HoloJP have a lot of things going on so there are many choices to watch.

>>34211207
You hate to see it but honestly I kind of fell off with him anyway back during his noise complaint arc.

>>34189002
rushia got fired, cuckfag

Shit now that you mention it, I've been watching dog for more than 2 years already... I did watch her before but Im only counting the time I've been subbed.

Last time she had a fun stream was yesterday I believe, so yeah no worries here OP thanks for asking!

I guess with Ame and the homo stuff?
I never really thought too critically about it, never questioned if I was actually enjoying it, just watched cute girls be cute and kinda retarded, have fun with their friends, pull off their little projects, etc. It brought me pretty consistent enjoyment for about two years, never really had any complaints. Then Ame told people like me to fuck off (albeit more nicely put) and that burst that bubble. My enjoyment came naturally and I doubt it's something that could really be replicated or rekindled even if I tried to force it. Without Ame I still have a couple holos and indies I watch but I don't feel any investment in any of it now. It felt fun to be a hololive fan I suppose, now I just don't care.

I don't know man I just watch my oshi. I'm not worried about losing magic cause my oshi has a second job and does vtubing as something to express their creativity and suppressed emotions.

>>34188325
I was a clipfag before and started to get bored with the lack of interesting clips. So I decided to pick some oshi and actually watch streams andv VODs. I have been enjoying myself since then. Pekora, Subaru, Kaela and Risu were the ones I picked

>>34211564
Go have autism somewhere else, R*ddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO6PP7rIHZ8&t=1s&ab_channel=AmekiCh.%E3%80%90Hololive%26VtubersClips%E3%80%91
Yes, Kanata uses the exact same word for Rushia's situation as she does for Coco's. The clipper had to clarify this in the comments because autists like you were likely harassing him over it

>>34188325
I don't think I've ever thought of vtubers as magical beyond being impressed by the tech and the kayfabe, but fleshtubers can do the same things, too, just with different tools.
That said, I used to watch a lot more talents before finding my oshi. Now I'm content with watching only her and merely keeping up with the others through this board, clips and social media.

As soon as fucking Tempus came into being it ruined the entire fun dynamic of hololive. Instead of one big happy family now it's whores vs idols 24/7, and it sucks.

>>34188325
I was watching 3D collab from hololive girls that i had really been looking forward to, and realised halfway through i wasn't enjoying myself at all.

But the magic is not dead for me, it ended up changing to different target. HolostarsJP had their first live concert coming up last december and I bought a ticket since i wanted to see how cover does male idol concerts. It was great. The MC sections got me more curious about the guys, and after the concert i started watching their streams. Sometimes i still go to hololive channels because two of my main oshi collab with few of them. It's like visiting an old friend whenever that happens.

>>34211472
god i love his skits so much
i stopped watching for a while is he still going?

>>34188325
Yogiri graduating and nobody caring

>>34217974
Have you told your parents that you're gay yet?

>>34218646
Funny that you ask.
as a lesbian it's actually weird that i got into holostars and lost interest in hololive. maybe i am straighter than i thought.

>>34218877 (me)
but yeah, i have told them being gay.

I still watch vtubers every day, but I probably watch my oshi a little less, partially because she streams less than she used to and partially because there's only so many mario/elden ring streams I can stomach.

I'm probably going to keep watching vtubers for the foreseeable future because vtuber asmr has more or less cured my insomnia. I just need to get a more comfortable pair of headphones.

>>34215814
lmao youre pathetic on a message board full of people fully aware that they are pathetic.

>>34218565
She didn’t deserve it. A whole branch crushed like that.

>>34218877
So you’re a lesbian who watches Holostars, and I’m a straight anon who watches Tempus.
Did you sift through copious amounts of homoerotic fanart and laugh over how the usual /vt/ browsing experience just got flipped on its head?

Never lol. I only watch clips and streams for games or watchalongs of media that I like or media discussions which I treat like podcasts (vtubers tend to have way better voices than your average film/anime podcaster). I have no interest in any other content other than for a quick giggle or interesting storytime or interesting event. I have an oshi duck but I only watch her anime streams because having a cute anime girl feeling emotional over old anime I like is a nice sensation and helps revive my nostalgia for these old works and spurs me on to one day make art that has the same effect. I can only imagine myself hard falling for someone and watching them religiously if somehow there's a vtuber who has Subaru's or Kronii's voice and does in-depth analysis of Heidegger or Romantic Poets or Picasso or something. Otherwise, why care so much about this shit? (Incidentally if any of you are women who have the voice an interest in educating the public on the deeper humanities and classics, please please please consider becoming a vtuber. There is an untapped corner of the market you can cover. I would shower you in sweet sweet greens)