/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>34179962
>Marin Kitagawa's husband

>>34179962
so true sister

>>34179962
Good ridance, no more moris or baes joining holo

>>34179962
Kek, seems like Twittards don't even know how much Niji makes. They always win the numbers game in the back.

>>34179962
Im starting to now get genuinely worried for the future of Hololive. Everyone seems to only care about sluts and whores and memes these days. Not genuine entertainment and roleplay

Cover leaked contracts? what?

>>34179962
Good. I don't want Gen 3 to be full of twittards.

>>34179962
And that’s a good thing now all the SJW Vtubers and Twitch whores can join Nijisanji and VShojo

>>34180067
Just stick to JP and you'll have nothing to worry about.

>>34180067
they dont watch streams
their twitter posts get 50k likes but their streams don't go over 5k

>>34180067
Keep this in mind: twitter and reddit numbers don't mean shit when it comes to actual viewership.

horrible western women and trannies want to join horrible western women and tranny groups
big shock

you can tell something is a shitpost immediately if it uses mouse's original S2 model reference, handy tip

>>34180058
The corpo does, the streamers not so much.

>>34180127
Noel is an actual whore and so is haachama, and no amount of gigachad pics or “based” you reply with is going to change that.

>>34180067
Jap vtubers are the only ones that still do kayfabe

>>34179962
good, people who actually want to be in hololive should join, not stupid whores jumping on the 'next big thing,' applying for fun, or using it to boost their RM career

>Pre-debut
roru roru rumao rumao

>>34179962
I'm actually happy since the types of people replying are the kinds that I wouldn't want joining Hololive to begin with. The problem is that they say this shit on twitter but are still going to submit an application to Hololive anyway.

>>34179962
Good, that'll filter retards and trannies from joining Hololive.

>>34179962
who gives a shit, they don't watch stream

>>34180144
This is true. Their twitter posts get way more traction than Holo’s but that doesn’t translate into views.

>>34179962
The best workplace where you get mogged by your coworkers and you have to move the whole world to not stay irrelevant and with miserable wages that do not even give you enough to live on, so you have to look for part time jobs. It wouldn't be the first time where a nijiliver feel like shit because they don't feel that they are part of something big like nisisanji, even if they work there.

But if twitter niggers and trannies don't wanna be part of hololive, then better for hololive

>>34179962
>doesn't matter their pay
FUCKING ILLITERATE SEAFAGS, DIE.

>>34179962
Good, we don't need more Moris or Kroniis

>>34179962
>English twitter users don't want to join hololive
Seems like a great win for hololive.

>>34180361
that is becasue they have a twitter topic.

>>34180297
Noel and Chammers have sex with men for money?

>>34180388
Adolf dubs confirm.

I mean none of the hologirls seem to really enjoy it. At least in EN. Vshojo and Niji seem like more fun

>>34180297
gigachad and "based" are r/holo's favourite retorts, so I won't. Still doesn't change the fact that you're pulling slander out of your ass, though.

>>34179962
>muh freedom
that is how you end up with the 5 shitters of iluna

>>34180067
vtubing got big enough that real money started being made, and once the west finds out there's money involved they'll water it down to mass market it to the lowest common denominator. if you want to find out what's going to be popular in vtubing, just look at the biggest fleshtuber streamers. for example: the next biggest vtuber is going to be a politics reactor, because this is what normies like to watch.

It's not surprising, Hololive has a reputation for being far stricter and "restraining" their vtubers.

The thing is, that's a GOOD thing - but as the POV of a selfish indie whore of course they'd rather be in "le talent freedom" corp where they can be as vile and unhinged as they want

>>34180453
Probably the same eggs that make the same claim about Kiara.

>>34180373
Aren't they 2 views, so getting into nijien would be a step up.

>>34180513
NijiEN wouldn't hire them. They only go for has-beens with high sub counts.

>>34179962
Only low quality people like to go to niji, that also tells you what kind of people are auditioning for niji, no wonder their livers not doing good. but if they are given the offer to holo, they go with the money.
As for vshojo, they don't take 2 views, min 4 views or 1 million sub.

>>34179962
>no mori 3.0
Good

do you really unionircally """""""trust"""""" twatter?
twatter niggers just pretend to hate mainstream trends despite being fucking greedy and casual as hell

its just a kind of virtue signalling. they are typical sjw/woke fucks with no talent

>>34180067
>Not genuine entertainment
But they do care about that, hence why Niji EN has grown so much well over a year now.

>>34180311
Production Kawaii is literally all kayfabe. Its not common in west anymore but it does exist.

>>34180566
True
Unironically 2 view indies have a better shot at getting into HoloEN

>>34179962
Good. Keep the tranny, twittard and twitch thot opportunists out. They're not wanted.

>>34180450
Nigger what?

>>34179962
Ayo what leaked contract?

>>34180297
Provide examples don’t just say “x vtuber is a whore” this and that.

>>34179962
>>Everyone wants to join Niji or VShojo
And none of them will

>>34180513
going from 2view to 3 views while also having 50% of that youtube income taken away is not a good sign. they are way too late into the vtuber train and if iluna has shown anything is that it wont solve you any problem.
Even fucking tempus makesmore moeny.
And whateevr merch you get will be overshadowed by luxiem.

>>34180067
>Not genuine entertainment and roleplay
Why would you watch Holo for that? If you wanted genuine RP that era is long over, and it was centered around NijiJP. Kasumi, Mayuyu, Riri and Uiha's 2434sys stuff. Everything Sayo and Iinchou trailblazed that people still shamelessly copy and get labelled "La Creatividad" for. Roa's entire schtick. That was the era of peak RP. Nowadays you have Salome, Debi, Joe, and Chaika who go hard on RP, while everyone else is more or less themselves.

>>34179962
>got mocked over /#/ so came to catalog to try again
these are some of the top twitter replies btw

>>34180667
Anon, they just released an entire wave of 3 views that are still continually declining

>>34180724
I’ll take a look

>>34180760
for niji they will you saw the shitters of the last gen?
the ACCELERATE is real and will hire anyperson.

>>34179962
>Contract leaks

Where can I find this?

>>34180450
Why must you lie

>>34179962
>Yeah Hololive is dead in the west
That would be good news if it was true, anyway enjoy your gift cards.

>>34179962
99% of all these western twitter whores should go to niji or vshojo anyways, so I dont see the problem.
I want more actual hololive fans to join and not more Kroniis.

>>34180777
>the first one
We did it unicorn bros! EN3 to collab with males just to piss us of!

>>34180297
Even Laplus started a Fantia account.

>>34180724
Weak shill.

>>34180796
I don't think Ren or Kyo are that. Can't help how shit Aia is or ADHD Scarle is.

>>34180742
>>34180820
Lurk moar newfags

>>34179962
The fact that most people are saying Vshojo really shows the state of vtubing in the west. En is a joke.

ITT: coping

>>34179962
Sour grapes

>>34180987
ren has barely a 2k median and ryo abrealy scrtches 3k
the post school season is hitting eerybody but is far more noticeable on nijien

>>34179962
Why you lie? Almost every reply says Hololive... Should have made a poll, so you niggers can't bait, spin and lie.

>Join Vshojo, keep doing what I'm already doing but now I can make them buy a super expensive pretty model for me. But then I have to interact with everyone else there.
>Join Niji, management kicks my face in because the branch can't recreate the success of Luxiem again
>Join Holo, corporate mandated synergy will probably put me in good company but now I have to interact with Holo fans

>>34179962
this is funny because hololive would never consider hiring these terminally online twitter trannys

>>34180297
What are you talking about? I only know of Noel as the girl who play DQ and love doing ASMR
It’s cool that a Knight actually like playing fantasy-settings game

>>34180724
They're trash.

i thought vshojo was a total joke and 'talent freedom' was retarded. but honestly i think they were right in the long run, they actually understand western viewers/vtubers much better than the japanese companies at this point. even in holoEN i've seen the girls talking about wanting to do things that would only really fly in vshojo, like youtube reacting for instance, along with other things.

i think in the end western vtubers should join western companies, they'll just fit in better long term.

>>34181079
Look at who is asking. Twitch streamer gets twitch replies.

>>34181201
>Join Holo, corporate mandated synergy will probably put me in good company
lol
lmao

>>34181334
And yet they're reclining and have maybe two notable vtubers on a view bloated platform.

>>34180470
>5 shitters of iluna
Who graduated?

>anon just posts some random ass vtuber asking a poll question out of the blue and a response from someone who isn't a vtuber

i hate this board. you all have autism

>>34181334
>they actually understand western viewers/vtubers
I'd wait until Lily's stream tomorrow to say that. If she gets less viewers than on her debut, then VShojo is the way. Otherwise it just means that it's not certain.

>>34181334
>western vtubers should join western companies
Vshojo is a containment company.

>>34181201
Vshojo won’t even look at you unless you’re already successful or are an ex-Holo

>>34179962
If I was born with a pussy, I would choose hololive easily
bare minimum, highest pay

>>34181507
The Vtweeters don't understand that Vshojo doesn't make stars, they take people that are already stars and the ones that aren't are cronyism hires.

>>34181201
>niji, management kicks face in
it's more like management ignores everyone except for luxiem. if you like the lack of attention, lack of merch, etc, then there you go.
i can see more vtubers aiming for Niji aiming for the scarle life - 3view that rarely collabs with someone else outside of her wave/generation, but by large tries to curate a small fanbase that's loyal to her.

>>34179962
>Twitter
not surprising KEK

>>34181424
So "view bloated" means real numbers instead of the fanfiction susan uses? Thanks for your important insight /#/.

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>>34180667
>why Niji EN has grown so much well over a year now.
yeah right, buddy

>>34180470
There's 6 Iluna members bro, did you 6 shitters, or was that not a mystake?

>>34181244
They chose Vwhorejo and Chinksanji because they know they got no chance being accepted by Hololive, fucking KEK

>>34181659
It’s sad that Ethyria likes to joke around that management forgets they exist and it’ll only get worse as more waves debut.

>>34180067
>Not genuine entertainment and roleplay
There's neither of those things in hololive (anymore). If you're not into pretending one of the girls is your anime girlfriend there's not a single reason to watch any holo.

>>34180144
>Nijisanji, 50k Twitter likes shitposting, 5k CCV
>Gura 5k Twitter likes linking her upcoming stream, 20k CCV.

Seems like Nijisanji panders to the wrong audience??? Imaging concerning yourself with Twitter traction

>>34181691
>Fanfiction numbers Susan uses that all lowball the actual number of viewers vs twitch bots.
Holy hell. Keep coping retard.

>>34180483
if you really think the overlap between people interested in politics and vtubing has that big of a crossover to become the "next biggest vtuber" I don't think you understand these communities very well. most people interested in vtubers don't want politics involved (even if they're involved in politics I'd guess), and most people looking for political content in terms of viewpoints with broad, mainstream appeal are going to be opposed to vtubing due to either preconceived notions about anime being weird or looking at it politically and deeming it problematic. I can't see any way for there to be a market for that type of vtuber on a large scale in the west. at least not anytime soon.

>>34180667
Good joke.

>>34180816
Only if you're 100k subbed

>>34180777
>Collabo with Holostars because they want to create drama
But why? Instead of doing what is in their best interest, they choose to do controversial things. Just imitate cute anime girls for 2-3 years and you can earn money to spend a lifetime. Is it that difficult?

>>34181863
To be fair they're only able to joke about it now that Enna and Millie had a huge incline, making them actually relevant to management (though I'm sure the relationship is awkward with how they were left in the dust before they had to claw back up)

>>34179962
> Twittards don't want to join holo
This day just keeps getting better and better.

>>34179962
https://twitter.com/pipkinpippa/status/1575159072118153216
>N-no I don’t want the grapes.
>N-no the big three companies don’t live rent free in my head
>P-phase connect forever

>>34181978
what is your point? as if gura doesn't have tweets that get a lot of traction on twitter. 70k likes: https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1569475251259731968
and from nijisanji, pomu gets 790 likes on a stream announcement, and gets about 4 times as many ccv: https://twitter.com/PomuRainpuff/status/1574822672642490368
so I'd say, considering the number of subscribers each has, it scales about the same

>>34180796
>>34181773
3views who lack entertainment.
If those girls joined Hololive they'd get guaranteed 4-5k viewers minimum and Hololive fans would fall over themselves trying to justify why their high numbers are deserved and why actually Scarle's stream of consciousness tangents about nothing are "peak autism kino" or something.

Nijisanji is a sink or swim company, very few livers have anything handed to them for free. This means talents like Pomu or Selen can thrive and shitters will struggle. It's a much better environment for true entertainers than Hololive's sanitized culture of endless Rust and Minecraft streams.

>>34179962
Good. Most of them are likely males or whores and I want neither of them to be near Hololive.

>>34181433
Come on, anon. Don't be like that. There are at least half a dozen pre-debut vtweeting indies replying.

>>34182277
This. I fail to see this other than a big win??? e-celeb wannabe, dramatards, tryhard shitposters are what Twitards are. I am happy to see that they don't want to join Hololive.

>pre debut

Why not just start streaming right now?

>>34180723
Well holo have history of getting 2 view even recently (tempus top dog, vesper was litteraly a 2 view)

>>34182560
Being a vtweeter is easier.

>>34182643

axel was basically invisible

>>34181334
>'talent freedom' was retarded
It was retarded because it was part of the JP marketing campaign, so western opinions are irrelevant.

>>34182643
all of holox except laplus were 2views
axel was an actual 1view

>leaked contracts
the fuck is this guy smoking?

>>34181201
Kek anon vshojo doesn't buy you expensive models, they just give you the contact. The streamers pay for it

>>34180067
>Not genuine entertainment and roleplay
The EN branch was never about this by the way. HoloJP will always do fine, the nips still love them

>>34182509
>e-celeb wannabe, dramatards, tryhard shitposters are what Twitards
hahahaha, what gets me is their fakeass unity mindset, but once one of them slips, even for a bit (i.e. the Nuxfag), get yourself ready to be canceled. They are all unity this, unity that, but all I see is them trying to leech each others off and hopefully the other one gets canceled. KEK

I don't think anyone would choose to join hololive if it wasn't for the pay. The work environment of Nijisanji is far superior, they're having much more fun. Hololive vtubers are basically in a straightjacket from management

>>34183220
the permissions shit fucks over EN so hard. I get it for JP since they dont have free use but its really unnecessary here

Nijisanji is a place where the popular people are treated like royalty and the rest are nothing but underlings for them. (see Kuzuha cup)

Holo is a place where everyone gets treated the same more or less but probably has stricter rules on what the talent my percieve has harsh compared to Nijisanji.

>>34183220
True. Hololive offers literally no upsides for genuine creators.

>>34183220
Whatever you say, Li. Waiting to see more discord leaks of managers beating NijiEN over stream metrics and the accompanied breakdowns.

>>34183220
i bet you think parties are fun

>>34183296
Free use is nowhere near as clear cut as people think it is, and Youtube doesn't have to abide by free use they can nuke your channel at will, see also PDP and the shittery he had to deal with.

>>34183220
Btw how many nijis have had breakdowns due to management keeping them under constant pressure to get big numbers again?

>>34183408
Zero.

To join Vshojo, you have to either made it on your own or successfully join Hololive then retire, which is impossible for these 2views lmao. Keep on dreaming though. Tis another win for holochads, they're filtering themselves.

>>34180667
Niji has been rotting since Vox slithered in.

Ollie is more tolerable than I remember. Has she toned it down? She can be cute for sure but she can also be a bit much sometimes

>>34183430
Vox mysta yugo ren scarle that's just from the top of my head

>>34183220
>I don't think anyone would choose to join hololive if it wasn't for the pay
No shit, what other reason is there to join a corpo if not for the pay if you were an indie, there's no more freedom than that. If you join any other company it's because you like that company or it's what accepted you, but if you care about anything else holo is a no brainer, it's connections, money and fame for free

>>34183430
>Nijifags don't even pay attention to their own talents
Dire

Kuzuha「葛葉カップは色々言われたよ」
「いつ配信終わればいいのか分かりにくいとか」
「あと「最後はライバー全員枠閉じさせて公式枠に同接集めさせるべき」だとか」

This says it all about Nijisanji management,
numbers over everything.
Use Google translate it does the job.

>>34179962
>pre-debut "vtuber"
big grass

>>34179962
>ewwwww hololive? fuck that gfe garbage
>*sends in application*
>rejected
>Haha I applied as a joke I was only interested in Nijisanji anyway

>>34183220
Seriously? I can assure you that 80-100% of the current NijiEN talents aspired to get into Holo despite their ''dogshit work environment'', as the likes of you claim. Now can you say the same with the current HoloENs? Aside from Tempus, I am sure that none of the girls even tried to get into NijiEN despite their ''unity'' and ''most wonderful work environment'', again, as the likes of you claim.

Sour grapes the tweet

>>34183672
Well several of the original Niji girls tried to join Hololive, because NijiEN didn't exist then. Much to Hololive's loss. Many people have speculated that if people like Pomu, Rosemi, and Millie were accepted by Hololive, it would be a different story. But here we are.

>>34183672
>>34183669
This. I am sure that those 900 who commented already tried applying to Holo, but got BTFO. Now they're antis hahaha

>>34183486
Speaking as a fan, having a direct channel to interact with HoloJP would be also a huge incentive too.

>>34183791
>Much to Hololive's loss
oh nyo, we lost Pomu, Rosemi, and Millie, and got Mumei, Kronii, and Fauna in exchange. I am sad beyond belief... Delusional

>>34183220
Mayuzumi - graduated because of differences with management.
Lulu - graduated because she was getting stalked but then was streaming with her flesh self anyway???
Bora - graduated because they didn't give a shit about KR and had no chance of getting a 3D.
Melissa - graduated over song rights, management not doing enough with music.

Rushia - Termination.
Coco - We'll never know the truth about this one but differences with management I guess you could put it down as.
Aloe - Was allowed to come back but refused, graduated.
Kaoru - apparently cheated on his wife and she found out or something.
Kira - sick.

>>34180922
A sexy one?

>>34183909
Swap Rosemi and Kronii and we'd be better off

>>34183931
Lulus problem was that the management told her to stop streaming so they could use the loss of revenue to build a case against the stalker
after the second or third one Lulu got tired of not being able to stream at all for months on end so she graduated.
at least how i understand the situation

>>34183672
>Aside from Tempus
Any of them tried to get into NijiEN? No way NijiEN management would let the likes of Vesper and Magni go, especially after seeing any of the current NijiEN RM numbers.

>>34184165
>Lulus problem was that the management told her to stop streaming so they could use the loss of revenue to build a case against the stalker
lol what, this can't be true surely.

>>34183966
if only...

>>34182382
Selen backed her the fuck off for trying to leech off her stream. That’s the reason Nijisanji is rent free in her head
https://sys.4channel.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.catbox.moe%2F23ybzo.mp4

>>34182405
>It's a much better environment for true entertainers than Hololive's sanitized culture of endless Rust and Minecraft streams.
NijiEN has more Minecraft streams than HoloEN by an order of magnitude. Holos also stopped playing Rust a while back.

>>34184393
>Holos also stopped playing Rust a while back.

>>34183966
No thanks swap Rosemi for Pomu and will be better off. Rosemi is a backstabbing whore.

obligatory

>>34180491
Too bad HoloEN is not strict enough.

Honestly speaking, just look at how schizo the hololive fanbase is. It's no surprise that some indies want to avoid it like the plague when holofans are known for doxxing and harassing not only the talents, but other vtubers related to them.

>>34184672
We really gonna make this argument after Vox's and Mysta's absolute shitfests (even if Mysta's weren't vtuber fans)

>>34184486
>for self admitted used good
How about no.

>>34184672
>Thinks this only applies to Holo.
oh boy.

>>34184486
Bro WTF?

>>34184768
>wants Rosemi Lovescock instead
I rather have Pomu for the Pomutori collab. Rosemi is a waste of space

>>34183791
>Well several of the original Niji girls tried to join Hololive, because NijiEN didn't exist then
Anon, you are living in a dream if you think that only their 1st gen tried to get into Holo. Selen, Enna, Millie, even Shu tried. No fuck it, I'm sure every nijien female tried. Vox, might be.

>>34179962
Lmak most comments are about either nijisanji or vshoujo or indie in worst case , no one want to join hololive

>>34184672
>how schizo the hololive fanbase is
>niji has a known chink fanbase
Hmm I wonder, which side I'll choose

>>34184765
Mysta and Vox chose the fanbase they have. They could've just streamed games and filtered women but schizo fans is just the cost of selling your soul.

Hololive talents don't have this choice, just by being in Hololive your fans are schizos by default. Even the most chill and friendly girls like Zeta or Fauna have to deal with deranged children who think they're a mommygf and lose their shit over the tiniest things. Then the management is always on the side of the schizos and never supports the talents it gets very stressful.

>>34184830
I'd argue a nonexistance would be better than endless DEEZ NUTS jokes and an unironic predatory lesbian

>>34184847
>lemme try applying for HoloEN
>gets BTFO
>hahaha! got you, I only like NijiEN and Vshojo!

>>34184917
>lesbian
bisexual*

>>34184905
>Then the management is always on the side of the schizos and never supports the talents it gets very stressful.
someone send this anon the Tweet concerning Kronii KEK, did you just wake up from your coma?

>>34184931
And somehow you guys still got that clock woman and brown woman , pretty funny

The big one for them is that Niji and Vshojo will let you collab with your indie friends as much as you want.
You can count the number of non-mama outside collabs that HoloEN has had in its entire existence on just two hands. Meanwhile Vshojo is a free for all and at least one Niji collabs with outsiders every week.

>>34180297
>Haachama
>whore
Lmao she said on her member's blog that she was hoping to find a boyfriend in uni but it didn't happen

>>34179962
I read through the replies and the reasoning for wanting to join vshojo is that they want to keep their own model. Which is pretty fair desu

>>34184996
the clock woman and the brown woman are better than 80% of the females on your branch, pretty funny

>>34179962
I’d never join Hololive. Being an idol is part of the package and I don’t have any musical talents whatsoever. It’s a bad fit.

>>34184486
>Holobeggar
she doesn't even remain faithful to the orange person she tried to leech and hopped to a new girl lol

>>34185079
I agree that brown woman is pretty good at graduating and lying about her back

>>34184831
>Selen
No? She never applied

>>34183297
Do you guys really think Kuzuha is the only member that's ever organized a company wide tournament?

>>34180067
>genuine entertainment
>Hololive

>>34185117
The only reason Pomu is one of the top NijiEN is the consistent Kiara shill. It's reasonable to try to leech off of other Holos since Kiara's number is in the dumpster nowadays

>>34185155
yeah right, anon, a day-1 chumbud army not applying for HoloEN. True

>>34183444
t. coping unicuck

>>34185219
>Chumbud
She just sold merch from the most popular member for easy money
Even if she had a Holo oshi, it would be either Aqua or Towa for the Apex... not fucking Gura
Besides, its funny how both, Holobronnies and Nijiniggers think this narrative is true when in reality she was giving up and it was one of her friends that told her to try Niji
And she got in with a shitty ass joke application

>>34184219
Blame shitty jap laws.

>>34185152
just from her SC numbers considering the limited number of streams she had, I can assure you that she's better at something than 90% of the nijiEN females kek

>>34185057
No you're supposed to call them whores.

>>34184847
People that say Niji is because they know the company is a lot laid back when it comes to the pressures of doing good, and most that are saying Vshojo are just saying it out of being able to meet/interact with a Vshojo member.
It's like being asked which College/University you want to join
>You want to join an extremely strict one where you'll at least be guaranteed a career after you graduate, but have to work stupid hard and deal with pressures from your grades and the stuff you put out constantly
>Join a public one where your main objective is to make friends and live all the college bullsheit drama you normally live in at college but doesn't guarantee your future after graduation
>Get a student loan and bail out before even starting, and hope that your solo content will be enough to carry you in your life.

>>34184995
Management's position is literally always deflecting to the talents instead of taking responsibility for their talents like they're supposed to.
"Our talents do whatever they want, we have no control" is basically Cover's response to any drama while totally ignoring the fact the management are fully involved in it and exert an immense amount of control over every other facet of their lives. It just encourages people to shit on Kronii or Mori for being the nail that sticks out. They did the exact same thing with Coco until she was bullied out of the company after they isolated her. You can't just run a vtuber company like an amazon warehouse and expect your talents to be happy or motivated to stream. It's unsurprising so many of them hate their job and end up depressed.

>>34182211
>Is it that difficult?
Tell me anon would you do BFE streams and cater to a female audience and let them sexualize you for 2-3 years? It doesn't even have to be Vox level, just do collabs with other boys and be cute, don't discourage shipping with your male coworkers, do some light pickup lines with your chat, and be completely fine if they flirt with you back and change their usernames to [Your vtuber name]'s cocksleeve. Would you be able to do that? Is that difficult?

>>34185338
Good that now she will use these SC to gacha-ing in chink game , did you sc her too ?

>>34185310
True. The only one who noticed the tracing incident and even bothered to bring it all up on Twitter is not a chumbud. I believe you, anon

>>34179962
>Yeah Hololive is dead in the west
I fucking wish it was. HoloEN was a mistake and the beginning of the end.

One common mistake people make is when they go to Twitter and see a lot of people expressing one opinion and assuming that even remotely reflects reality, but it doesn't.

>>34181949
That's only true for the EN branch. I wish they did more high effort content like the JP girls.

>>34185451
>Thinking Selen would have a bronce shitter as a Oshi
The absolute state of Holofags / Nijitards

>>34185398
100% accurate analogy, Holochad. Chinks and Twittards don't understand that

>>34181863
Their fault for being the male cocksleeve wave. Only Enna didn't do any leeching and that's why she can carry herself.

>>34181298
>>34180747
I am not getting banned to educate you fucks by posting a picture/video of Noel with a dildo

>>34185451
what is gura apex rank again? kek

>>34180775
Name one thing she copied.

>>34185447
nta but that sounds incredibly easy, I don't get what you're trying to convey?
like what are the challenges there? oh no you have to pretend to be gay a few times a week for tens of thousands of dollars in superchats, the horror.

>>34185398
>You want to join an extremely strict one where you'll at least be guaranteed a career after you graduate
Sure anon

>>34185440
>They did the exact same thing with Coco until she was bullied out of the company after they isolated her.
Totally! Cover just had to annihilate a whole branch for her stupid mistake. The fucking nerve, Cover. LUL

>>34185565
>Apex

>>34185562
>NOOOO HER ROOMMATE IS REALLY HER
Nah. She doesn't advertise anything she does as her RM and actually spergs out when she fucks it up.

>>34185451
Call me when the shark gets good at Apex

>>34185448
Cannot rebut my statement? I thought all she was better at was graduating and lying? fucking kek

>>34185589
CN was not making money regardless, they were probably looking to annihilate the branch anyway once their contracts were up.
Pinning the entire thing on Coco instead of management's lack of guidance(they seriously micromanage every aspect of their streams but couldn't be bothered to review her stream materials beforehand?) just made it easier to kill HoloCN and have her absorb all the blowback for it.

>>34185501
>>34185565
>>34185628
>cannot deny brought argument
>let's bring Apex rank instead
The absolute state KEK

>>34185672
What argument? The fact that Selen needed money and did merch of the most popular member of Hololive?
It sold well btw
Next narrative Nijifag / Holofag

>>34185628
Who would want to watch Apex streams? I'd rather Gura continue to rarely stream than regularly play garbage like Apex.

>>34180067
I literally don't take Hololive seriously when it's EN. Like, I slander them and call them overrated without a second thought because I don't even pretend to think that any of what I say is reflective of HoloJP in even the slightest.

>>34185587
Cope all you want, but all it takes is for you to look at the content of Hololive Rm before and after joining the company to know how much of an impact Hololive has had in their irl content, Calli and Kiara are prime examples of that.

>>34183220
Nijisanji is run like a sweatshop now, it's all about pumping out content and getting shit on by management if you aren't bringing in enough quarterly revenue.

Hololive has better pay, better job security, better life-work balance, but is much more micro managed and is under more external pressure, since they're the biggest name in the business.

>>34185398
>Holo
>guaranteed a career after you graduate
Kek, arguably Holo's the most influential member among wester fans their biggest earner, who graduated and was honored by the entire company was instantly forgotten and surpassed by a mere gook who graduated Niji because of management abuse.

>>34185701
Probably a faggot from /hlgg/ or /NijiEN/, both are retarded as fuck.

>>34185629
I never say that she is good at SC too anon , about 1/5 SC came from her graduation , she should do more graduation stream

>>34185170
*HoloEN you mean

>>34185672
If she only needed money to leech off of Gura, she will not be bothered to start a witch hunt about the tracing incident. You don't know about the Gura tracing incident, right? Should I spoonfeed you about what Selen RM did? Nah... Do your own reps

>>34185808
I notice

>>34184765
And both of them told schizo fans to fuck off numerous times, what's your point? When's the last time Gura has ever told her crazy fans to not watch her anymore?

>>34185649
Retard, the reason why they micromanage everything now is because of Coco's fuck ups. They used to be very lenient and let the talents do whatever they wanted. The taiwan shit wasn't even the thing that caused all the red tape to go up, it was Coco making a suicide forest joke on Asacoco.

>>34185562
Why would posting Noel be banworthy? This is a holoboard

>>34185808
>>34185840
hahaha, Selenfags are in shambles. Cannot accept the fact that their oshi is a day-1 chumbud HAHAHAHAHA

>>34180144
And there's also the fact all those likes come from underage zoomers that won't pay for shit

>>34184905
Yeah sure you can, Bae filtered everyone that might go schizo by saying she had a holostars oshi

>>34185398
>but have to work stupid hard
Holos stream like 2-3 times a week and release songs maybe 1-2 times a year.
Nijis stream 5-8 times a week and release 3-5 songs a year.
VShojo stream 1-3 times a week.
Which company has the hardest workers again?

>>34185833
>If she only needed money to leech off of Gura, she will not be bothered to start a witch hunt about the tracing incident. You don't know about the Gura tracing incident, right?
Correct, and she sold all the merch after being a "martyr" for the Chumbuds
But keep coping retard
>>34185884
Go back to your cuck thread faggot
>>>/NijiEN/

>>34180297
> dramafag filtered
good

>>34185398
> extremely strict
I went to a university where the average SAT score is over 1500. My classmates and I didn't pick our university just for the career, it's because most of us consider being around the average state school student to be hell on earth.
I had a fucking blast talking about Deleuze and Schopenhauer and Kant with grad students at the bar. People who go to "strict" (I think you mean "selective") universities do it because those places have the kinds of people they'd rather hang out with.

>>34183966
Pomu should of made it in over Mori. Cover seriously fucked that one up.

>>34185884
>m*in thread nigger

>>34185861
>And both of them told schizo fans to fuck off numerous times, what's your point?
The point is that it clearly isn't working and that every big streamer has schizo fans no matter what, hololive isn't special about it
Also Vox is a massive schizo himself and brought them back

>>34185719
Anon you said after graduate not before joining or something

>>34184393
>Holos also stopped playing Rust a while back
Anon...

>>34185916
hahaha yeah right, she isn't a day-1 chumbud because Gura isn't good at Apex. But she'll defend Gura's emotes nonetheless! Being good at your own game is the only measurement on choosing an oshi, now I know hahaha

>>34185915
>Holos stream like 2-3 times a week
>Cherrypicking the laziest Holos
Now talk about how much Kiara and Koyori stream.

>>34186022
>Retard doesnt know about all the other times she condemned tracing
>cherrypicking that moment
I accept your defeat

>>34185165
?
Members got forced to participate if they told the manager they were free that day.

ルイス: マネから空いてる日を聞かれて答えたらKZHCUPにねじ込まれました…

>>34186022
Lurk more

>>34183220
>>34179962
NIJIPAJEET hands typed this

>>34185878
They're not talking about Noel. They're talking about Noel's rm. People literally just got banned a few days ago for falling for bait that showed the rm's picture. I found out about it because I visited /#/ and found that the place was actually decent and filled with people who were talking civilly about the state of the industry (i.e. the people shitting up the place weren't around)

>>34185966
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

>>34185827
If your taste for entertainment is just CGDGT sure, but most oversea viewers don't understand ramen language

>>34185915
Depends if you look past their streaming content, streaming isn't the hard part if that's all you're focusing on. Slowly but surely we get bits and pieces of how much work it goes into unique kind of content that streamers put out. Matsuri mentioning how much money and work goes into a cover, not to mention an original, the background obligatory dance lessons for the JP members, the amount of time it takes for them to design their individual merch when their bdays arrive, etc.

>>34184996
Cover didn't fuck-up choosing those two, the girls only have themselves to blame for their problems. Sana and Kronii could of been wildly successful streamers, if they wanted to do the work, but their own ego got in the way.

Does tribal monkeyism really need to bleed into every aspect of your life? Just watch which vtubers you like I don't see why their management choice needs to offend you so. Most don't have a lot of say in who hires them.

>>34186073
>>34186129
defeated.. Imaging having an oshi who's a chumbud hahaha

>>34185915
This is only true for NijiEN. NijiJP, ID, and KR have dozens of talents that don't stream for weeks if not months on end without any issues. Even the figurehead of the company took a 3 month break recently, because she wasn't feeling mentally well enough to stream.

>>34180624
Who's mori 2.0?

>>34186161
I know anon, I was attempting to replicate it, the board was actually chill during the time these faggots were banned

>>34186411
>she did merch about that gif
>it sold well
Thanks for the money retards
btw her oshi's are Bora RIP and Chiichan, retarded tourist

>>34185111
Neither does Vesper, you just have to be willing to do a minimal amount singing, not even be good at.

>>34186411
Thanks for proving our point Holofag / Nijitard

>>34186446
I'm just gonna assume it's kronii

>>34186523
True! They are her oshis... But only after getting into NijiEN KEK

>>34186221
Sucks to be an EOP then. The language filter will keep out undedicated faggots, leeches, beggars and dramafags, as any hobby should.
I did my reps so I'm good with content now.

>>34182406

>>34185584
I mean yeah most anons would consider that horrific. They feel completely disgusted watching it so there's no way in hell they'd be able to do it themselves. You don't even have to pretend to be gay but majority of men on this board can't do some of the same things the top male vtubers do and put up with. You go to any thread with a majority of men and ask them if they could cater to a female audience and do a little bit of fanservice every week and watch them say they'd rather cut off their balls.

>>34186600
Wrong, she watched mostly Apex streamers on Twitch and Bora
Too bad you are a newfag to know this, lurk more before posting

>>34186221
Didn't seem to be a problem when none of these EN companies didn't exist

>>34186569
I did prove that your oshi is a chumbud, no problem Selenfag

I am just waiting for NijiENkeks to take off the contrarian glasses and realise that most of them are not entertaining, but I guess pure spite towards HololiveEN can make you swallow a lot of shit, even if indies are better than NijisanjiEN and HololiveEN

>>34186638
>she watched mostly Apex streamers on Twitch and Bora
True, but still has the time defending Gura's emotes

>>34186648
Strange, because her oshis are good at Apex, what rank is Gura?

>>34185989
What vtuber isn't a schizo these days. That's what makes them more entertaining and loveable

>>34186709
And so she did with other smaller vtubers :)
>>34186712
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bronce

>>34186659
meanwhile JPchads are just enjoying the shitshow

>>34186712
Gura doesn't even play Apex, doesn't stop Selen from defending her though KEK

>>34186769
BASED JPCHADS

>>34186051
Kiara is like the only EN that can keep up with NijiEN's stream schedules, and she's addicted to streaming. What does that say about Holos exactly?

>>34186235
Nijis have meetings almost every day for the same behind the scenes work Holos do and they still manage to stream a ton.
The amount of work it takes to talk to your manager about your numbers or pay someone to make things for you isn't really all that much, it's just time-consuming. You guys make it sound like Hololive are doing some groundbreaking work behind the scenes that no other company does, but it's mostly just generic corporate meetings and making thumbnails and other dumb mundane shit that even Phase Connect's 2views can do.

>>34186428
I was under the impression this entire thread is only about EN. JP is irrelevant since no one replying on Twitter or 4chan has a chance of getting into JP anyway.

>>34184234
>https://files.catbox.moe/23ybzo.mp4
topkek

>>34186764
Nta, but Enna wiped the floor with Selen in PUBG tournament.

>>34186800
yep, for easy money

>>34186905
It was the Yellow guy the one who killed Selen, but nice try

>>34186942
making money using your oshi, win-win! We can finally agree, Selenfag

>>34186905
>Ennatard still believe this
kek
It was the other guy, if Selen and Enna actually engaged each other, Enna would have disappear
>>34187015
>making money out of retards is a win win
FIFY

>>34187015
The absolute state of the faggots from the main threads

>>34187067
Selenfags can't accept the fact that they are second-hand chumbuds... Just say oh nyo and get it over with

>>34186635
>majority of men on this board can't do some of the same things the top male vtubers do and put up with.
most men have no problem roleplaying for money.
you ever watched a movie before? most of those actors are not in fact in love with eachother. you may be surprised to learn even the actors cast in "gay" roles who end up kissing men on screen are usually not gay.

>You go to any thread with a majority of men and ask them if they could cater to a female audience and do a little bit of fanservice every week and watch them say they'd rather cut off their balls.
/vt/ isn't representative of the average dude, it's mostly incels. most guys are like Vox and would absolutely jump at the chance to have thousands of adoring female viewers begging for their cock while they tangent about farts and dick jokes.

of course it is all roleplay and these dudes probably hate their fans or see them as subhuman, the same way gura or mori see their own fans, but that's beside the point. it's incredibly easy to play a role you're assigned if your income depends on it. you just start to compartmentalize and learn to enjoy it while at work but not letting it bleed into your real life.

>>34187126
Sometimes i dont know who is more retarded, Holofags or Nijitards

>>34186995
Enna did 99% of damage to her while Selen couldn't do anything about that and was like a pig in a slaughterhouse. And the only thing that saved her from being directly killed by Enna was Bobon carrying her the entire tournament.

>>34180311
you don't need to be able to kayfabe all the time, you just need to be able to bounce off your branchmates and create long form storylines with a simple "setup --> payoff" combo

peepee poopoo holobronies really?!

>>34187137
Na, Selen is more entertaining than most of Holo / Niji girls

>>34187171
>>34187250
I say Selenfags are the most retarded, what's wrong on accepting the fact that your oshi is a chumbud? That doesn't concern you. Yeah, you might be a second-hand chumbud, but that's not as bad as being an actual chumbud

>>34182211
anon there's a reason none of these "people" ever got past the first round.
I can GUARANTEE you that these retards applied at least 3 times for each EN audition and never changed anything about their applications, got rejected, and are now in full sour grapes "if I can't get in, it's because THEY'RE bad" mode.

>>34187176
Rewatch the VOD again blind faggot, plus Selen got stuck on the car and didn't even aim at her
>>34187284
>Her oshi is Bora / Chii chan
>NOOOOOOO ITS ACTUALLY GURA
Not everyone likes a girl who barely streams and suck at Apex

>>34187239
They actually are defending this fatass.

>>34187317
It looks like you are the one who didn't even watch the stream/VOD. Selen got mogged hard by Enna.
And being stuck in the car, either because of her lack of gaming skills or because of her fat ass, only proves how inferior she is as a gamer.

>>34183220
kek thanks for the laugh anon

>>34187433
The cope is strong in this one

>>34187317
>Her oshi is Bora / Chii chan
Yeah right, a whole branch of Holo rejects and their oshis are all NijiJPs. Imagine believing that HAHAHA

>>34187317
Didn’t selen rage quit a Apex tournament while also rage quitting the personal goal she set for herself

>>34183672
anon he's pretending to be retarded to farm (you) s

>>34185562
Why would you get banned for that?
here is a fresh picture of shirogane noel from hololive 3rd generation with a dildo I just made myself.
Can you explain how that makes Shirogane Noel from hololive 3rd generation a whore?

>>34187473
Absolutely no cope here. The only thing I see is some fagoon seething about facts.

>>34184672
> mental midgets self filter
Every post in this thread just makes me more and more hopeful for EN3

>>34187545
>Enna
>the only games that she is good at are Visual novels and horror kuzoges
ogey?
>>34187509
No idea about the others but she only watched Apex streamers, unless you are coping that HoloEN have actual good Apex streamers then i think you need your meds

>>34184486
ONE LETTER
N
E

>>34187512
>Didn’t selen rage quit a Apex tournament while also rage quitting the personal goal she set for herself
She never RQ, she took the L
>unironic threadwatcher

>>34187185
Keyword is "simple". None of this chuuni Omega shit. The real life chuuniland, Bri'ain, got that way by refusing to change old traditions no matter how ridiculous they got, to the point that a guy with a wig ceremonially knocks on a door with a giant stick and everyone slams the door in his face to show that the English are free, or some shit like that.
Once you've existed for almost 1,100 years, you can do whatever the fuck you want. If you're an idol group trying to come up with character personas, keep that shit in your own notepad.

>>34185762
Even a Harvard graduate will be blacklisted if they continuously shit on their prospective employers.

>>34180723
Yep.
Aloe, literal 2 view got into gen 5, right beside monster like Polka, Botan or Nene.

>>34186495
I'm sorry for being retarded, then. Carry on I kneel

>>34187665
>Enna
And yet, Selen is even worse gamer than her.

>>34187911
Visual Novels and Movie "games" aren't real games btw

>>34187777
Remember that the Harvard alumni book has an entry for a certain Ted Kaczynski, who when contacted about his entry, told them to put "Florence ADX" under "address".
You can absolutely graduate from Harvard and be a fuck-up, and spending the rest of your life in prison in a place where you're locked in your cell for 23 hours a day and they can wake you up in the middle of the night for your mandatory hour of outside exercise sounds like the ultimate blacklist.

>>34185562
Right, so you made it up then. Got it.

>itt /vt/ shows they're identical to twittertards in terms of bad takes and cope

>>34188001
>aren't real games btw
Yet they give enough skills to mogg Selen in PUBG.

>>34188133
>taking credit from the yellow guy

>>34188163
The yellow guy only finished the job. Before that Selen was raped by Enna.

>>34188218
>Yellow guy -> kills Selen
>Bobon -> kills Yellow guy
>Enna -> downs Azusa
>Bobon -> downs Enna, she get revived, then downed and killed
Somehow it turned into Enna killed Selen

>i will never go corpo
>i will never trade my freedom as an indie
>only plays apex
>90 days ccv at 3
?

>>34188471
1-2views thinking their opinion matters.
It's even funnier when you remember Holo is a walled garden of unspecified requirements, Niji is a cabaret club that can only be accessed with a 100K+ ID, and you need to know the owner to access the VShojo mansion.

>>34188456
>Enna -> deals 99% damage to Selen
>Selen -> gets raped by Enna
>Yellow guy -> finishes Selen
>Bobon -> kills Yellow guy
>Enna -> downs Azusa
>Bobon -> downs Enna, she get revived, then downed and killed
I never said Enna killed Selen, but if Bobon didn't distract her, she would.

>>34188471
Those who commented in that Tweet are delusional. Wanted to continue being an indie my ass, the moment Holo offers them a contract, they will throw all of their RM bs in a heart beat. Fucking delusional attention whores, e-thot wannabes, and poor man's Nyanners/Senzawa tryhard shitposters

>>34188471
Please understand they don't actually to succeed

>>34188937
>lying
https://youtu.be/huWu67ZE09M?t=10116
>Enna didn't even shoot her, she was hiding from Selen
https://youtu.be/TO9vyidkTdk?t=10169
Go back to your Visual Novels, Ennatard

This thread is just Pomu and Selen fags crying like it matters.

I've seen too much of "Pre-debut" and 2 views under that tweet.
A lot of them would be 3 views under Niji but probably below Scarle and Aia, especially those going Niji for the queer inclusivity, the rest would just die because ACCELERATION.

>>34179962
No one replying would realistically say no to any of those three.

>>34189599
More like the usual catalogfags that end up bleeding into the generals on occasion.