/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

good

cluckbros...

Fingers crossed people like OP fuck off first.

good, and you should go back with them

He's old?

Sincerely, that's not a bad thing, they already get too fucking much for the effort they put and there's already too much normies around.
I have even thought a few times in the past that Holos got way too popular to be comfortable for me and it was better when they had to fight more to do good content

hopefully the next evolution for vtubers is vfuckers. superchat them for some private time, plug in your USB onahole, and experience the moist tightness of their body cavities

>>34134276
that's already a thing in some VR dungeons

>>34134115
good. I can groom my oshi more easily.

>25 percent dip and continuing
B O G G E D

>>34134115
Good news.

>>34134276
Someone already does that....sinc her drilldo with your an-hole and feels the pressure of it... Japanese tech is cool

>>34134115
Thank fucking god all the homocollabs were actually useful, I hope every ironic weeb vtuber gets whats coming to them

>>34134661
>the man with the bogged model crashes vtubing into the ground to save it
unironically based

>>34134115
Vtubers go up in the winter because people stay home more

>>34134115
I will be like with call of duty, decline for year or two and then huge incline again. Normalfags are too predictable.

>>34134242
>they already get too fucking much for the effort they put
Lmao no. They don't get nearly enough.

>>34134115
That graph puts it on par with the hype during the last part of 2020, it really doesn't feel like we're anywhere near that though. nor does a few months ago feel like it was the peak of interest. I'm not sure Google trends is the best measure.

>>34134766
i will freeze to death since putin don't give us gas and coal so be prepared for even bigger dip

>>34134115
Nuclear winter will get people to stay at home again

>>34134838
Stable electrical supply and intact internet infrastructure are not surviving nuclear winter though.

>>34134834
google trends is including YT data. Remember that the numbers are being cannibalized between everyone since there's much more vtubers too. If you remove new chuubas since then and add those numbers back to original holomyth, you approach their numbers during that date.

With normalfags gone, the real fun begins.

>>34134115
so what was the catalyst for the vtuber industry downfall? It seems like the drop started around july, homobeggars care to explain?

>>34134115
Good.

>>34135023
>so what was the catalyst for the vtuber industry downfall?
Mori.

>>34135023
novelty ended
it's not one specific thing

>>34135023
People are tired of being talked down to by zoomers whose only contribution to society is playing flavor of the month game #300

>>34134661
The homocollab saga was the Great Filtering. Whores like Kronii and Ame were exposed and will DOOOMP with their new normalfag/homobeggar audiences while True Idols™ like Gura and Kiara will maintain their numbers and continue with steady growth thanks to their loyal cadres of unicorns, idolfags, and gachikoi. We have determined who the troublemakers are in HoloEN and can take appropriate actions to minimize their influence and harm to the rest of the branch. UniCHADS, IdolCHADS, and GachiCHADS win again.

>>34134115
Vtubing died a long time ago because of pests like you.

>>34134115
I never watched streamers before vtubing. I'm not interested in EN ethots and the JP chuubas got boring over time as I just can't understand them well enough to enjoy the experience. Vtubing and face streamers are almost the same thing to me now and I'm likely not going to watch either in a few months. Back to anime and vidya for me.

>>34134115
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Pekora bought a fucking monkey!

>>34134115
But... not!/biz/ chama...

>>34134115
Whatever, just means I'm that much closer to either marrying my oshi or melting down spectacularly.

>>34135955
BUY BUY BUY

>>34135023
Kronii

>>34135955
First dip is the bear trap. This dip is the bull trap.

>>34134115
>the normies are moving on
I see this as an absolute win.

>>34135023
covid is over so normies are going outside again.

>>34134115
This isn't a comment specifically about OP but just a global note of deciphering Google trends graphs-- that y axis is not a raw number but a ratio of popularity, so it's not as simple as "number of searches mentioning vtuber."
Google describes it this way:
>Numbers represent search interest relative to the highest point on the chart for the given region and time. A value of 100 is the peak popularity for the term.

So according to this we're currently at 75% of peak popularity from... July this year it looks like

>>34135551
Sadly, the true idols will recline somewhat since fans of Kronii and Ame might be gone for good and no longer watching the rest of Hololive either.

>>34135551
>Whores reclining hard.
>Tempus 3 views.
Gentlemen, we're withstand the "End of the whores."
Unicorns and gachis REIGNS SUPREME once again.

>>34134115
You were supposed to use this time to seize power from your government to give yourselves infinite time, then use your vtuber influence to take over the planet.

>>34136437
A THOUSAND YEAR UNIREICH

>>34134805
Well, i don't agree that them playing minecraft, rust and apex is worthy or receiving tens of thousands of dollars every month. Specially the ones who barely stream.

>>34134115
Too bad the normies managed to ruin HoloEN during their visit. What they did is like littering in national parks.

>>34135023
2much meinkraft even zoomers will get tired of seeing same shit for 3 years

>>34134115
Yes, however you forgot one thing...

>>34137453
it's not even interesting stuff with minecraft, they could be doing one block challenges, a bunch of custom maps, actually exploring and developing different parts of the map but nope, just lazy content that might as well be a zatsu without a game distracting them

>>34137629
based phonix rebirths the vtuber bull market

>>34134115
Good

>>34137949
But Austria already sent in some strange looking creature singing about a phoenix.

>>34134115
good

>>34134115
good now get a job(including me)

>>34134115
>>34135023
It's a combination of covid being over and the vtuber space getting more saturated now. Covid inflated numbers a lot more then usual, but that's over.

In the short term, established vtubers don't have to worry about much besides a dip in numbers. It'll be a lot harder for newer vtubers to break out compared to before though. In the long term, big vtubers have to worry about their audience slowly moving on to up and comers each slowly taking a chunk of their audience with them. The problem big vtubers will have will be the exact same that regular streamers have in that, the longer they keep going the more they have to chase trends and memes just to keep holding on to the top position and unironically have to either start drama or comment about it because that's drives views.

>>34138269
>It's a combination of covid being over and the vtuber space getting more saturated now. Covid inflated numbers a lot more then usual, but that's over.
this graph literally says the opposite. Vtuber interest for Q2 and most of Q3 2022 is higher than it was in all of 2020 and 2021. Is everyone here that data illiterate that they can't read a fucking chart?

>>34138269
I'm scared about drama farming because I know that's whats eventually going to come

>doomerfags btfo'd for the reading the graph wrong
>thread dies
many such cases

>>34136437
More like the downfall of big corpos and the rise of small ones.

>>34135023
Mori and Kronii

>Mori: winning winning and winn -ACK

>>34134115
Looks like the EN bubble has burst.

>>34135023
Collab ban lifted

>>34135551
It filtered out the fickle fans, yes.

>>34136541
I do. They are contributing to society unlike most rich people.

>>34141671
>no true scotsman!

>>34135023
The zoomers were banished back to school obviously.

>>34135023
Sana graduated.
But honestly did she see the decline of Hololive coming and decided to dip while the going was good?

So it shows there's currently more searches for vtubers now than ever before during the pandemic and this thread is filled with faggotry about the death of the industry. Is everyone here retarded or doing a bit?

>>34138040
We don't talk about that lifetime. The important part is the phoenix has now revived and is stronger than ever.

>>34141937
A little bit of both

>>34141747
How can you be a true fan if it all hinged on her reading your mind and just hopefully not doing one innocuous thing you just happen to hate?

>>34135023
They debuted males instead of new girls and bikini outfits, says it all really.
>Nijisanji debuting male/mixed waves.
>Hololive debuting male gen.
>Vshojo debuting their boyfriends.
Deserved downfall.

>>34134836
Had people invested into finally extracting tha gas and petrol in the Mediterranean we wouldn't be having this problem but nooo, let's bow down to Turkey.
Anyway, forgo heating and proper lighting and fap during streams to stay warm

>>34134115
>That climb in March
What happened?

vtubing has been dying outside of japan since 2021

>>34135955
>>34137629
The copium overdose is already here

>>34134115
Good

Good

>>34135023
It's been stagnating ever since lockdown was lifted. There will be no crash, but I don't think there's an untapped market left, the market has peaked in the West.

>>34144259
the obvious solution is to pander to the new markets, like nigeria

>>34142169
I can support her up until she shifts course to some trajectory I no longer wish to be on. This can happen to any entertainer at any moment, and does all the time. I’m not going to go schizo and blogpost at her, I’m just going to move on. This hasn’t happened with my oshi yet, but if it does, I don’t need to mindlessly consume it and hold a smile on my face.

>>34137666
Minecraft zatsus are peak content, especially if they're building something interesting.

>>34144354
>Nigeria
Only thing I’d like to offer them are some grey rads and mandatory removal from Japan.

>>34144354
You might be onto something >>34125693

>>34134242
Isn't there the risk now that they have a much more valuable work portfolio towards future careers post-vtubing that a downturn in Hololive's current situation would make the existing girls look more towards greener pastures now that they could better sell themselves ('I was X from Y, I'm a known commodity!') rather than them feeling the need to return to doing 'good content' as you hope?

>>34134115
Great time to get rid off of the unis.

good

>>34134137
Soon the bitches who betrayed their loyal fans will fall while the ones who cultivated and maintained theirs will weather the storm.

>>34134276
Akira did that already

>>34134242
Only the top 0.1% of vtubers make enough money off streaming to live off it alone, the vast majority are 2views you don't even know exist and don't have any sponsorship opportunities like Holo/Niji/VShojo.

>>34142240
Qrd on the VShojo thing, I already know about Nyanners

>>34134805
EN Holos and Nijis have had too smooth of a ride, time to light a fire under their asses.

>>34142240
Males were always popular in Niji, they're the main exception to the rule.
>>34147657
She started streaming with her boyfriend (Aethelstan)

>>34142990
Where have you been?

>>34135023
Oversaturation of pastel blobs and low effort content

>>34141729
Kek you're retarded

>>34135023
vtubers are too restrictive. Once you've seen a vtuber stream you've seen their entire channel. Also too childish to have a stance or opinion on anything so they're pretty boring

>>34135023
watch as how hololive will save vtubing yet again with christmas and new year event

>>34134115
Things suck when they're overwhelmingly popular. Dramafags come out the woodworks to ruin things for everyone and corpos start putting pressure to make things more profitable.

>>>/vt//#/
>>>/vt//nasfaq/
Why do you have to shit up the catalog instead?

>>34152060
>hololive
>save vtubing
Anon, I also much prefer holos over the alternatives, but please take your meds

>>34134115
Maybe it's casual fans? But I think it also has to do with burnout from the core audience that got hooked during covid but then had to go back to their jobs. Seems like many of the most devoted vtuber fans are in IT-type jobs with a lot of downtime, or at least the ability to have streams up on a second display. But there's also the rest of us fucking losers who are on our feet all day in crappy low paying jobs that barely leave you with enough energy to take a shower and feed yourself before flopping into the bed. Speaking as someone in the second category, I'm finding out that I'm far less motivated to blow several hours watching a stream after spending the last year back in the meat grinder. I'm nearly at the point where I'm going to drop my oshi because it feels horribly lonely to come home and watch vods of her laughing with the people who are able to be there for every stream. Vtubing is about the parasocial connection, the moment scheduling constraints deny you that feeling of "being there", you either move on or become a shallow clipfag.

>>34139955
thats what i think too. some are gonna leave, but some are gonna branch out when they get tired of the big 3

>>34134115
There's almost no more trace of the late 2019 to 2020 magic anymore.

>>34134836
I think it's clear EU is a deadzone when it comes to vtubers and the overall audience. The numbers will barely move.

>>34134242
>it was better when they had to fight more to do good content
This describes anything that sells too well.
Why show effort when whatever you does makes money. See: Pokemon

Demand for "I'm not your girlfriend" experience chuubas overrated.

>>34134115
Vtubing wont die, it will be replaced by whatever streaming technology comes next.

>>34134115
Thank fucking god.

>>34135955
It's going to ZERO
https://youtu.be/lbJxuxIpc_g

Miko's GTA bank account...

>>34134115
>None will survive the winter
Plenty will, just the normie panderers are about to have a bad time. We might even have another golden age as once the shitters in hololive like mori and kronii die off along with vshojo all we'll be left with are kino niche talents who are good streamers.
Bring on the bubble pop I say

>>34137453
>>34137666
oh? do indis push MC to hard right now?

>>34135023
Normies think that vtuber=Hololive and they got bored.

>>34134115
>>34143552
>>34135955
why bring the evils of technical analysis on /vt/ there is plenty of unhealthy obsessions here already
We're better off with statfags doing time series or regression analysis instead or something

>>34134115
Well all those who appeal to normy audience are beyong saving. then numberfaggot will suffer. Only those who achieved to build and fortify their niche are gona survive. (japan is fine though)

>>34137629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWGwRRPc6O0

>>34144088
some of these just retired to just other corpos (Yamiyono Moruru) or become indie (Lulu)

>>34134115
>none will survive
Invest in pippa.

should have ended here

>>34135023
It's a multi factor.
Covid ended but Twitch fleshstreamer is still strong. Covid is not the strongest factor in Vtubing decline.
IRL variety streams and content reaction has reached its peak and steadily declines.
More and more actual musicians actually going for a cut of the livestream pie really hurts mediocre artists (most of it are vtubers).
Dilution of the medium by normies made the whole thing not worth the trouble getting into.
Vtubing wont massively decline, it's just a short term, 2 years trap (honestly needed by the industry) so the beggars and leeches can fuck off from vtubing. It will take off once again when tech progresses.

I will say Hololive will decline and become middle tier, and I say this as a holofag. The talents will be happy and the business is sustainable once the management get their shit together when it comes to controlling their overseas branches. A new company will eventually takes over with a unique approach.

>>34135367
Good thing western people's interest is wearing off. They just ruin every kind of hobby.

>>34134115
Based, cant wait for this industry to die already

Its a typical market correction, anon. The uptrend is still strong

>>34137453
minecraft minecraft minecraft minecraft minecraft i want to watch minecraft i want to watch minecraft. i want to watch a hololive hunger games in minecraft. i want to watch building relays in minecraft i want to watch running around in circles while talking in minecraft i want to watch funny large group collab shenanigans in minecraft i want to watch comfy building from imagination streams in minecraft i want to watch long and short minecraft streams i want to watch alpaca taming sidequest in minecraft i want to watch group building projects in minecraft i want to watch minecraft.

>>34135023
Tempiss debuted on july 22, no more explanatuon needed.
>b...but covid and lockdowns ended
Cope, those things ended like 8 months ago an the graph was still rising

>>34134115
So EN3 soon?

>>34134115
That's just HoloEN dying.

>>34135023
big dick trendsetters don't want faggots

>>34134805
Yeah, being a millionaire for playing Minecraft 10 hours a month isn't enough...

>>34135023
>so what was the catalyst for the vtuber industry downfall?
Time. Nothing lasts forever. Especially not a shallow gimmick.

>>34169343
>Especially not a shallow gimmick
Absolutely years. They've been going years and it's still shitty 2D crap 90% of the time, with 3D content being scuffed to fuck. Nothing has improved despite all the time and money they've had access to.

>>34137629
I wanted to say that this won't happen because our state-media is too retarded to pick 1 song that doesn't make your ears bleed, but then I rembered that Kiara is in fact A*strian and those people know how to win this shit, so yeah I guess she has a chance.

>>34152424
That's an interesting point

>>34169378
Cover developed the tech to pin pngs on 2D models years after indies started to do it. Nijisanji still can't. The bar for corpo rigging is so low it's practically buried. Everyone's been doing basically the same content for years, with the only variation being which fotm streamer game everyone plays at the same time. Vtubing absolutely deserves a crash. How could anyone possibly not lose interest?

>>34169378
Cover is a talent driven company, I'd say the tech is secondary to the talents. And it's not even a question of quality, just look at Aqua's and Gura's popularity despite their inactivity. People just watch what they already know, Hololive was first for many, and they're not willing to try out new things. It shouldn't be a surprise interest for vtubers lowers when the only talents people watch put out increasingly less content and are becoming more like TV everyday

>>34163760
Nice bot accounts Pippa

>>34170029
It is a well known phenomenon that basically all ecelebs eventually lose their popularity as the world moves on to the latest shiny thing. You can only ever delay this by reinventing yourself and basically remaining as the shiny new thing people look at. Vtubers have basically not done this in ages. We've been seeing the exact same content from the start. The last big "new" thing was myth. It's been downhill since then as people got bored and left. The tech remaining the same is just a facet of this.

>>34147657
Veibae revealed some big fleshstreamer as her bf, and mouse flirts with bubi´s RM onstream a bunch

>>34145344
>Isn't there the risk now that they have a much more valuable work portfolio towards future careers post-vtubing
lmao doing what? sitting on their ass playing minecraft twice a week? vtubing has virtually no transferable skills except for going 3dpd flesh streamer

>>34135023
Covid buff is over same as every other hobby

>>34134115
More like it died when you EOP faggots ruined the hobby, you can see the literal decline happening and it only spikes up due to new gens/waves.

Heading into the school year. Any idiot knew this was coming.

towa and suisei are on breaks

kek

>>34135023
Rona is over so no more sitting Infront of computer screens all day every day. Also a horrible amount of oversaturation, there's like a gazillion vtubers now when a couple years back it was a neat novelty.

>>34147879
Yeah, that one clip about asameshimae /nakadashi with her boyfriend literally gross me out. It was not funny, it was just unfiltered cringe and I can't believe people found it interesting.

>>34134115
I think this will be healthy for the industry as the girls will have to actually stream and be entertaining and pandering to make a living.
Way too many are just coasting off the fame their company has.
Also: twitter normies, homobeggars, and all the anti-unicorn crowd will abandon the girls and they'll come back with GFE and pandering to make a living.
Unicorn bros and sis. We won.

>>34134115
About fucking time, this “hobby” is just watching ethots larping as anime girls to steal money from Asians.

>>34135023
Have you people never heard of a fad? Every popular thing has a bunch of posers that will move on to the next popular thing as soon as it is ready.

>>34134115
But...they were suppose to replace all the toxic fans of HoloEN

>>34134115
Today, vtubers.
Tomorrow, /vt/.

>>34134115
The ones with a personal cult will survive, the one with a shallow fanbase no matter how big, will fall apart

>>34169378
2D is acquired taste. If you want 3D there are already better ones before Hololive
I can see normalfags don't appreciate live2D avatar

>>34134115
pretty sure that's just russians dying out en masse

>>34134115
>normies leave
>only shizos and unicorns stay
>all the homo-endorsing chuubas become 3 views

>>34142240
>>34147879
huh, everything new in vtubing lately (at least from the big players) hasn't been aimed at the original crowd that liked vtubers first. Interesting. It's been since Ethirya for niji and Council for Holo that we don't have new vtubers for male otaku. Iluna's girls dont count they are for the sisters, except Maria that is on aussie timezone.

>>34134115
normie broes where are we all going, please tell me. don't leave me behind with all these schizos

Roru

>>34176250
but do chuubas have enough of a core audience or will avatars just be reserved for streamers who don't want to clean their rooms?

>>34135023
- Pandemic is over
- The Coco/Hololive separation broke the illusion for a lot of people
- HololiveEN was a massive success but it triggered a mass over-saturation
- The over-saturation is not stopping anytime soon and now anyone in their grandmother's can be a vtuber
It's all ultimately going down the same path Machinima and Let's plays went down. It was a unique thing that the most "talented" dominated, but then over time, it became infested and over populated
What's worse, the variety of the shit that they stream is crap. The days of waiting for Korone to stream a dumb ps1 game like Pepsiman are over. The stream meta is Ark, APEX, RUST or Minecraft with little to no entertainment value.
Kizuna Ai "going to sleep" was the biggest sign to me that vtubing isn't the same anymore.

>>34134115
BUY THE DIP
THE
DIP

>>34176206
I mean considering the absolute low effort from most western vtubers that are literally just camgirls with extra steps and the incredibly high amount of SEA fans there are for this, that's not entirely wrong

>>34134115
>interest has more than tripled over the past few years
>the magic is over

>>34185731
>extra steps
let's be real, it's less steps at this point

>>34186085
True. Not having to do their hair and sort their makeup out so it's pretty much just switching on a camera and mic. Maybe mess about with OBS a bit.

vtubers achieved success and are already falling into decadence, hopefully enough people leave and they realize just having an anime avatar and playing FOTM isn't going to be enough anymore. unless they feel like streaming after their day job.

>>34135023
People on the internet generally have a low attention span. It's amazing it's lasted this long, but now people have seen the 3D concerts, there really aren't that many more tricks to show. People who stick around now will stick around only if they're a fan of the specific streamer, same as any live streamer.

That all said, vtubing isn't going to abruptly end. It's just that it's hit it's peak and will level out to it's base now unless another pandemic happens keeping everyone locked inside and needing entertainment again.

>>34134115
>normies leaving is a bad thing
look at this dumb fuck here

>>34187899
>unless another pandemic happens keeping everyone locked inside and needing entertainment again.
Or a war. A war might work

>>34189977
if gura got drafted would (You) volunteer?

>>34190842
>He wouldn't volunteer to destroy america and ending the draft.

>>34146415
Nature is healing

>>34193392
Deus vult.

Give 5 more years and then you will be right. No normie will keep watching fubuki in 5 years.