/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

go eat your hugbox elsewhere, reddittwitterniggerrigg

why isn't Gura saying anything about her fanbase? this is not the first time chumkiddies sperg out

>>3395043
And?
Cover doesn't care about her

>>3395043
I hate hugbox niggers so much

>>3395062
cool buzzword salad faggot

>>3395043
>https://files.catbox.moe/aq75av.png
god why are these faggots so insufferable

Stay mad faggot. Your oshi gets what she deserves.

>>3395113
eat buzzword nigger rigger jew cover hugbox circlejerk kek

>>3395043
>https://cover-corp.com/contact/en/#lang
huh, it's weird how their feedback form still has chinese but not indonesian. will defintely fill it out, hope other true chumbuds do the same... whether or not it makes a difference remains to be seen.

what should I select for the inquiry type? Company -> other?

>>3395043
All these replies during SEAnigger hours. Like fucking clockwork.
Don't worry Cover knows they fucked up. Pissing off the hugbox is something they try to avoid at all costs.

honestly the one that should really get a new rig is anya

>>3395043
You honestly completely ruled out a couple of schizos from here sending actual death threats to the rigger when we have known people here who do nothing but harrass Kiara and tell her to die in subtweets and routinely falseflag and gaslight other anons for fun? Are you really that daft and optimistic here to think some idiot here won't carry out the mantra of "internet hate machine" to some random live2D rigger that personally offended them and actually send death threats? You are naive.

I didn't ever recall the dogfuckers from /jp/ to sperg out this hard over Nene's and Roberu's shitty 3D. What went wrong with you fags? Get a grip.

>>3395390
Yeah honestly hoping Cover fires this rigger before Anya gets her 2nd outfit, then she can get a new rigger with it like I was hoping with Gura but I guess Gura never put her foot down or went with the flow

This is the right appoach when it comes to Cover. Last thing you want is Gura making a public dogeza because of her fanbase going too wild on someone.

>>3395412
these aren't the same people, these are tourists from reddit that found vtubers with holoen

>>3395410
how is sending feedback by a form encouraging that kind of behaviour? scared you will lose face, enma-san?

>>3395428
>Last thing you want is Gura making a public dogeza because of her fanbase going too wild on someone.
A japanese company wouldn't make one of their own employees apologize publicly to another of their employees. They would handle that internally.

>>3395474
I'm not a tourist from reddit and I'm disappointed by the model. Nene's 3d isn't that bad and Roberu well he's not the face of hololive but it's still not as as bad. shitty 3d can be fixed a lot more easily too since it's not what they are going to be using most of the time. It's sad to see Gura not getting the treatment she deserves despite her hard work and how well she has done. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if there are psycho cover staff acting as schizos trying to damage control in this thread.

>>3395534
Artists are freelancers, not employees

>>3395548
meds
t. senior cover management

>>3395043
There's no death threats, that's just what they'll always claim to make the fans feel guilty about complaining

>>3395412
They did. It was just drown out by mass of holoredditors. This time even normies are upset.

>>3395636
This. Any time you hear the term review bombing it's these same shills.

>>3395636
>There's no death threats
there's always one or two because there are schizos and/or children everywhere on the internet, but those few examples always get used to justify silencing criticism.

>>3395477
I'm just amazed you're retarded enough to infer that from my post. I'm saying that there's morons here who probably DMed death threats on Twitter to the rigger and that you're a retard for inferring that constructive criticism is somehow being conflated with death threats when they are independent of one another. You're free to do whatever with the form but they already know about it by now. Do something more productive with your time instead of being a thin-skinned chumbud.

Death Threat is a Japanese meme. Most of the time they make it up to deflect criticism.

>I decided to send an Email to Cover regarding Gura's rigger and how badly they fucked up with her new model and asking if they could fix it as soon as possible. Apparently the criticism posted on twitter that is rightfully upset or filled with a bit of smugness towards the rigger fucking up even WORSE than before has been seen as hate messages or death threats to normal fags. Everything posted here is just crying into an autistic void but I respect the people bringing it up publicly but it has been drowned out by the hugbox nature of thinking any form of criticism means death threats. This leads to me to think that the nature of such people will lead to Gura getting SCs telling her to ignore the rigger haters after seeing this
>https://files.catbox.moe/aq75av.png
>If you want to help Gura's current rigging issues get fixed before your concerns are drowned out please email cover and voice your concerns. This isn't Gura's fault, this is Cover's fault for letting this complete hack work for their company still despite their track record
>https://cover-corp.com/contact/en/#lang

>>3395548
>It's sad to see Gura not getting the treatment she deserves despite her hard work and how well she has done.
It took Cover over 1 year to fix and redo Coco's rigging with her 2.0 update and she's more of a hardworker with her Asacoco shows in her early days. Gura only ever play games, let's not kid ourselves now. You don't see tatsunokos going on a rampage after her new year's outfit and rigging got revealed.

>>3395043
>artists does a poor job or makes a shitty statement
>gets well-deserved backlash
>claims death-threats, poor him
>suddenly all the cattle turns to his side
>artist gets away with another poor job
every fucking time

>>3395671
So the takeaway here is that EN's audience is more volatile in comparison to JP's

>>3395696
fuck off enma

>>3395689
There are a few cases of schizos review bombing stuff, but for the most part it is legitimate backlash passed off as "organized hate" or something like that.

>>3395764
Thin skin artists deserve execution.

>>3395712
are you a bot or something?

>>3395805
no its a baseddueler who got lost in his way to >>>/qa/

>>3395777
>There are a few cases of schizos review bombing stuff
Let me guess, stuff you like? It doesn't matter how you feel the quality is, other people can still genuinely dislike it.

>>3395043
Why not? Why wouldn't you want to send death threats? Death threats are great fun and very effective. I threaten everybody everywhete I go for any reason or no reason at all and I've never gotten in trouble for it. You should try it. Make a show for my amusement.

>>3395769
No, just chumbuds from here mostly. Literally no other place is sperging out about it, 99% of people who do notice are just "it'll get fixed!"

Death threats are fun for the whole family!

>>3395805
just ig.n.ore and re.p.ort those posts they even scan for posts with those words and even follow the reply chain and gaslight them. this website is fucked beyong belief. cover 100% hires people to shitpost and derail threads too, just to try and save face.

>>>3395805 #
>no its a baseddueler who got lost in his way to >>>/qa/

>just ig.n.ore and re.p.ort those posts they even scan for posts with those words and even follow the reply chain and gaslight them. this website is fucked beyong belief. cover 100% hires people to shitpost and derail threads too, just to try and save face.

>>3395877
meds

>>3395855
>not having autistic meltdowns and violent shitfits over the smallest things
what the fuck, how do these cucks even function? fucking npc so.yboys

>>3395906
kys basedjakposter

>>3395906
found the zomcuck pedo childpron poster, what up my dudes

>>3395990
I'm here for the dram,a, i love thrdrama

>>3395836
A.I. The Somnium Files was review bombed by one guy who claimed to be demonstrating a flaw in Metacritic but he later admitted that he was really mad at how the game continued (or didn't continue) the weird conspiracy plot involving A-Set that was presented in the prerelease YouTube stuff and the ARG and how she didn't get a super happy route in the game. The guy was legitimately obsessed with her and admitted later that it was really all about how the game was basically shit in every regard effectively because it wasn't all about A-set.The whole thing is pretty well documented if you want to look into it. Yeah this is a very specific case but the point I'm trying to make is that occasionally people do review bomb stuff. Zhangs freaking out whenever a game or a dev does something anti-Chinese is another example of it actually happening.

>deleted
based meido. FUCK ENMA AND FUCK RIGGERS.

>>3395855
Reddit and twitter were mad about it.

>>3396294
no, they are mad about us being mad about it because they are faggots. FUCK OFF ENMA.

>>3395769
JP's audience still have 100k youtuber expectations for their chuuba. EN audiences have gold play button levels of expectations.

>>3395769
Put it this way. Gura's fanbase are children. Part of the Zoomer cancel generation who are used to getting their using threats via social media. Chumkiddies are upset that thier favourite cartoon character moves funny and so they will band together, and throw death threats at those involved on Twitter, just like how everything else is handled these days. Most other Holos don't have this type of audience.

>MUH BLEEDING HEART
You need to go back.

>>3396504
Oh I'm sure she's happy about it ;)

>>3396504
The rig is very bad, not bad enough for the majority of her younger viewer base to care (ages 8-14ish).
Even in the case that they do notice, their brains make the connection that an attack against Gura's rig is an attack against her, and such they don't comment or show a negative reaction towards those who do call it out.

>>3395318
>it's weird how their feedback form still has chinese
It's not that weird when you know their japanese site still has pic related

I'm glad Matsuri didn't get any harassment from you chumkiddies for the awful mixing.

>>3395855
>Literally no other place is sperging out about it
Hahana, no. The Hololive employee that moderates /r/hololive locked the subreddit because so many people were outraged over it. And you know they're fans of lots of different vtubers because they literally flair themselves with an icon of their oshi on reddit. The fact is, the VOD for the outfit reveal is currently sitting at 1,300,000 views. That means that if even just 1 out of 100 people that watched weren't blind and noticed the awful rigging enough to comment, that's still 13,000 people.

>>3395043
>Apparently the criticism posted on twitter that is rightfully upset or filled with a bit of smugness towards the rigger fucking up even WORSE than before has been seen as hate messages or death threats to normal fags.
no. this is false. i read the entire twitter thread over a period of a few hours, starting from about 20 minutes after the rigger's self-promotional tweet. there were no death threats. NONE. the people claiming that were simply lying.

umiushi is chronically and grotesquely incompetent. cover must immediately and permanently stop allowing umiushi to work on any cover properties, regardless of the financial or scheduling consequences.

>>3395769
EOPchads aren't a bunch of sissy cucks like JOPvirgins. If my oshi ever experiences something like this, you can bet I'd go full karen. Imagine preparing for one of the biggest events of your career thus far, only to have everything ruined by some retarded chink. If you're a purported "professional" rigger and even the normies can tell your rigging is fucking trash, you're done. I hope to god that this is the last nail in the coffin for this shit rigger and that they get blacklisted from the industry.

>>3395043
Fuck your criticism. It's the same exact shit that's been heard for literally the 1,000th time at this point by the people that can do something about it. At this point you're just hurting Gura. Shut the fuck up.

>>3395083

Where were you fags when Anya got completely screwed with her rigging? That shit was entirely unacceptable and Gura's rig problems aren't even comparable.

>>3396903
people assumed anya would get fixed but she never did
now that same fuckwad fucked up another model, so we know that these errors won't get corrected with just a small fuss

>>3396903
complaining for several weeks in global, actually. in fact we started complaining about her rigging before we ever saw her move, simply because we were familiar with umuishi's hack job output.

>>3396903
>implying anyone watches HoloID

>>3396903
It's not surprising that the outrage grows when this keeps happening.

Cumbuds are the literal worst vtuber fanbase, even worse than nijifags

>>3397001
No, as bad as cuckbuds are kiaratards STILL won't stop shitting up the board with multiple threads every single day.

>>3397055
The Kiara antis are more annoying than the KFP, and I say that as someone who can't fucking stand Kiara

>>3395043
>https://files.catbox.moe/aq75av.png
>d*scord
>r*ddit
>tw*tter
heh. no wonder.

>>3396959
ok risu

>>3396680
Kek, i want holoCN2 to happen just to watch the meltdown and I don't even watch bugman chuubas.

>>3396903
She just debuted so there weren't that many people that cared.
And yet there was constant complaining about it in global.

>>3396903
But short stacks are based

>>3397145
This, it's not that people literally think you were sending death threats, it's that all of these sites are aggressively moderated to maintain a false air of positivity. Here reactions are allowed to occur naturally and express what people really feel: if you were in /hlg/ last night you saw all kinds of posts in waves
>NUMBERS
>TOES
>CUTE AND FUNNY UOOOOOOOH ToT
>RIGGER HATE
all unmolested at hundreds of posts per minute. On Reddit or any Holo/Gura Discord server only the first two are allowed (and even toes is pushing it), the latter two are either too sexual or too negative and jannies will jump into action to shut them down. The only things you are allowed to post are happy sunshine and rainbows, and if you want to criticize anything it has to be sugar-coated inches thick like
>Rigger love <3 let's all appreciate umiushi's work! For future reference I did notice her ears were a bit detached from her hair, but otherwise great job!
It's like these places are for kindergartners, but instead of protecting the feelings of literal toddlers who arguably need it, it's to protect the feelings of grown adult fans who can't handle hearing any overall negative reaction even vaguely related to something they like, even if it's for an obviously good reason everyone can see.

How anyone actively hangs out in that kind of sickeningly sweet environment is beyond me.

>>3397984
>complains about circlejerk
>circlejerks this place for being """""objective""""""

>>3396778
This. Didnt see a single one either.

>>3398083
My post does not even contain the word "objective," I said anons are honest.
Whether you agree with them or think they're objectively true is completely different, but you are 100% free to disagree however you want. You can even say my opinion is fucking retarded and only a drooling moron would ever come to such a conclusion. 100 other anons could reply to my post shitting all over me, and the thread would never be locked for "let's just say 'unnecessarily aggressive' opinions."

It's not the same.

>>3398083
Why do you post here if you love reddit so much?

>>3398314
I never said anything about loving reddit moron.

>>3397984
>I want to feel comfortable with the things I like, so any negative thing remotely related to them is forbidden!
It's not that different from an echo chamber. But I think that's just human nature. People always seek wellbeing, so when the feeling about the thing they like is not shared by others, they feel bad and do something about it.

>>3397984
the other anon who replied you is an idiot, you are right. This is why I am here, for more interesting discussions. Everything is too positive anywhere else

>>3396806
>At this point you're just hurting Gura.
this claim is objectively false, and you are utterly unable to justify it.

>>3397263
Anon....

>>3397984
I disagree. This place is no different than reddit, the only difference is that here you are forced to be cynical and negative for the sake of it or have the thread buried in soijaks or chink copypasta which kills discussion so hard it might as well delete your post.

>>3398677
>you are forced to be cynical and negative
By whom?

>>3398490
It's understandable that people don't like hearing criticism of things they like, and if they want to hide from it that's their choice, but it has to be allowed, otherwise you find yourself surrounded by yes-man morons like >>3396806 and never get real feedback about the things people didn't like.

There are whole communities of people like >>3398677 who have forgotten the difference between mere consensus and actually enforced opinions by posts that don't agree being locked and deleted. And to (you) directly you should know that's just completely false: 99% of posts in the Gura thread were positive and hype until we saw her ears, which were indeed obviously fucked up and the rigging is bad.
There's nothing wrong with saying
>Congrats Gura, biggest stream ever let's goooooo!
>outfit CUTE uoooooh
AND
>fuck umiushi, somebody needs to fire this guy, what the fuck was he doing
All of those posts are allowed here, one of them will be deleted on reddit/discord.

>>3398677
You know all the cunny/horny posting is the poster being positive

>>3398677
beign cynical is not something inherently bad tho. Sometimes you gotta hear bad opinions, even if it hurts

>>3398677
>here you are forced to be cynical and negative
I LOVE Gawr Gura and think her outfit is CUTE. She also has a heavenly voice and makes fun content for everyone!

Let me know when jannies delete this post for being "unnecessarily positive," whenever they do I'll take back everything I've said.

>>3398677
You're actually correct, there are things I avoid saying here since it will inevitably be dogpiled like you say, ruining the thread. Like reddit.

>>3399164
There's a massive difference between being bullied by other random anons for an opinion everyone else doesn't like and having your post deleted by mods because THEY don't agree with it. You can still post your opinion and keep posting it all day for everyone else to see, and they in turn can respond however they want.

>>3399252
>implying

>>3399164
>>3399252
And adding to this even the peer-bullying system is way more lenient here. On reddit if people don't like your post it gets sent to the bottom of the page and hidden by downvotes. Here bullying by (you) actually draws MORE attention to your post, spreading it to more people. Your view isn't stifled at all, people are just hurting your feelings by being mean and calling you a faggot etc.

>>3395043
>>3395241
>https://files.catbox.moe/aq75av.png
I like how the image with which you tried prove your point actually shows ridiculous the outrage is. This is Japanese levels of whining over the tiniest little things.

Of course you're crying about muh hugbox, 'cause to a sperg every normal person seems like a hugbox shitter. Talk about lack of introspection.

Also
> twitter is one person

>>3395696
>I'm just amazed you're retarded enough to infer that from my post.
Sadly I'm not surprised. That's exactly how these kind of shitters are.

>>3399252
one of the biggest differences is in reddit if people dislike your comment it gets hidden and it's position lowered so fewer people can see and interact with it.
here the more people disagree with you the more (you)s you get, making it easier to see your comment and making your penis bigger.

Why do people get upset about death threats at this point. What's some random schizo on the net gonna do to some random ass on the internet just ignore it baka.
Send me your best death threats bros if you dare

>>3399252
Eh no, mods have sperged out for completely regular posts on this board. Just watch as they sperg out over this

>>3399378
>>3399541
>this board
Things have been a bit rocky on this board because it (and the mod team) are so new, but it's getting better and moving toward how the rest of the boards are moderated.

>>3399252
I've actually called out people there as bandwagoning reactionary drama whores and called KFPs oversensitive blind simps that will only make an issue of something if Kiara is experiencing it, and got fairly decent discussion out of it. Tried that here and I only got schizos.

>>3399595
Well that's probably because there's like one actual KFP here, if you bring up Kiara seriously you're only going to be talking to people who either hate her or have no real opinion on her.

>>3395848
>Death threats are great fun and very effective.
>effective
Oh no some guy on the internet told me he'll kill me! I must change the way I live immediately!
Seriously, how is that effective? That's something a retarded child would do.
The only thing more dumb then sending these threats is pretending that threats you received are real.

meme death threat
any screenshot of one?

>>3399631
I guess that's true. I've criticized her and her fans several times on here, youtube comments and reddit, in order of worst to best experience.

I get the criticism toward umiushi but is it really worth so many getting so riled up over something that can be fixed? And for a minor visual flaw at that? I don't think that the world should be a hugbox but its clear there are a bunch of people who are much too emotionally invested in this who are conflating their sperg-outs with criticism. It's a 2D character whose design most people will probably ignore while they stream. We don't know what's in umiushi's DMs but since they -are- open, it's totally possible they've received death threats.

>>3398385
go back there

>>3399834
not fix, rework is needed
And it's not only minor visual flaw

>>3399762
none

>>3399834
>is it really worth so many getting so riled up
No, but at this point it's almost entirely a Streisand Effect situation. If you had just let the comments play out people would be done talking about it by tomorrow, maybe bringing it up from time to time until/if it gets fixed. But now they're mad because they feel like they're being silenced. Hell, even this very thread only exists because of moderation, not the issue itself.

>>3399386
go back to r*ddit nigger. I don't care about what they think, the rigging is shit in my opinion so I gave my feedback respectfully using the form.

>>3395043
dude if you do one bad job thats fixable you don't need a giant mob at your fucking door step.

>>3399762
I kil you bich

Can you chumfucks calm the fuck down? Jesus Christ, it's been more than half a day since the reveal, and you babies are still seething? Be actual mature adults for once and stop fucking sperging. Cover already knows you manchildren are upset about your shark girl's costume having minor defects and they said they'll do something about it. Holy shit, stop being ass blasted already, stop making shit threads, and stop shitting up threads. Other fanbases dealt with with this problem with more maturity. You chumbabies are a fucking disgrace.

>>3399575
No it isnt you fucking fag. We all know what you redditors are doing to our site, now quit your fucking hotpocket position and while you're at it stop sucking eachother off in discord over any "wrong" opinions you smite.

>>3399970
It's not the cumbuds who are making those threads, retard.

>>3399944
It's more about Gura than it is about him, he did a bad job on something 190k people showed up to watch, so it's inevitable a mob comes for him even if only 5% of them are mad. It's like if you fucked up the stage lighting working a Billie Eilish concert or whatever.

>>3399970
EN was a mistake
Who expected burgs to be reasonable people, now we're paying the price

>>3400107
samefag

>>3400054
nobody deserves a mob for that either.

>>3400210
Not saying they do, it's just inevitable when you fuck up in front of that many people.

>>3400054
Yeah, I guess it's more reasonable / expected when you put it like that. Still unfortunate though, I've seen others justifying it almost like they're standing up for Gura but they forget she's likely above twenty y.o. IRL and has a voice of her own lol

>>3395062
kill yourself

Can someone explain the mentality of critisim=aggression or death threats? The only issue is the same critisim being said a bunch of times, which isnt an issue because a lot of people are going to point something out thats obvious, but when I read reddit and twitter replies, so many are like "ignore antis, something something harassment" when a noticeable majority of posts in those places are the same critisim: bad rigging. Only here are some crazies, which are just autists screaming in a void

>>3400313
To shut down criticism. Because Cover doesn't want to admit they fucked up

>>3400313
>ignore antis
Anyone who even uses this term seriously is a twitter newfag, it's the modern version of shutting down all criticism as being from "haters."

>>3396903
No one gives a fuck about HoloID you fucking manlet.

>>3400407
This, I think it specifically comes from K-pop/stan circles full of deranged teenage girls who can't stand anyone saying anything bad about their "bias" or whatever.

>>3400364
That was my guess, and the fact that too many peoole cant have a middle ground. They act like multiple people noticing an issues is a coordinated effort to harass, which it isnt. It works against having an actual discussion about a problem because people are to afraid to criticize or "step out of line"

>>3399834
you need to understand that cover has a years-long chronic history of total inaction in the face of problems, to the point that it's a running joke. the fact that the reaction is so widespread, and that you can find it on every platform where hololive is discussed, is being seen as almost a cause for optimism, because there is the thought that maybe this time, they will actually DO something, because their negligence finally affected something very high-profile.

these aren't minor rigging flaws. they are serious flaws, deeply below average for live2d rigging and well below the industry average. those with live2d experience have noted that they are indicative of an extremely poor level of skill with live2d rigging. the flaws are very distracting and will significantly detract from the visual presentation of her avatar on stream, and it is absolutely something that cover should scramble to correct, and to prevent in the future by blacklisting this rigger from future projects.

>>3400521
you get what you pay for,
its retarded to attack a amateur rigger for doing bad job if she is cheapest in the market

>>3400693
one of the greatest responsibilities of a freelancer is to refuse jobs that are outside your area of expertise. rigging live2d avatars is outside umiushi's area of expertise.

>Someone linked this thread on Discord

Honestly, If gura had recognized the defects and played them off there wouldn't be such a big hate mob for the guy.

>Can you chumfucks calm the fuck down? Jesus Christ, it's been more than half a day since the reveal, and you babies are still seething? Be actual mature adults for once and stop fucking sperging. Cover already knows you manchildren are upset about your shark girl's costume having minor defects and they said they'll do something about it. Holy shit, stop being ass blasted already, stop making shit threads, and stop shitting up threads. Other fanbases dealt with with this problem with more maturity. You chumbabies are a fucking disgrace.

>>3400887
She probably would have if there were enough mentions in the chat, but most people preferred to turn a blind eye on that.

If I were the rigger I would immediately apologize for the shitty job and fix the model. The fact that neither Gura nor him are saying anything is fucking awkward because the rigging was clearly and blatantly botched.

>>3400407
>there are no actual antis
>see mikomarine fujoshit incident

>>3400887
So you'd just want her to lie about being happy with the piss poor rigging she received so the rigger can keep rigging her models forever? No. The rigger has caused so much grief for Holos at this point that they shouldn't be rigging for Hololive at all.

>>3400816
How would you know that, anon?
Though I'm forced to believe you by the almost immediate arrival of a wojackfag.

>>3400693
>one of the most popular vtuber companies in existence
>one of the most popular vtubers at this time
>OH NO NO NO COVER CAN ONLY AFFORD THE CHEAPEST RIGGER
Ah yes, let's hire a shit amateur rigger who has no idea what the fuck she's doing. Surely having a L2D model that's worse than an indie's is what Gura deserves. What kind of shit logic is that?

>>3400981
It's fucking Japanese culture. That's why I hate those Japanese companies. Working their employees like slaves

>>3400940
>Kano chan's model has a better rig than Gura's and this shouldn't be a problem kek

>>3400981
this should be ruinous for the rigger's career. i am pleased by the silence, because any word from the rigger would be a suggestion that cover hasn't assigned a real rigger to fix it instead.

umuishi was no amauter rigger you retards

>>3401005
Just stating facts. Same with Coco and Watame's shit connection or Roberu's 3d.

The humor blunts the head of the outrage. Its why Asacoco was so good, it turned weaknesses and technical difficulties into humor instead of outrage.

>>3400991
There are actually obsessed haters, but like that term it's too easy to conflate with all criticism and inevitably gets used that way. Anything bad said about Gura is theoretically "anti-Gura," so you can call anyone who says such things an "anti" and lump their comments in with those of deranged madmen. The reason we use terms like "schizo" is to be clear you're talking about insane stalkers, not just everyone who doesn't like your oshi.

>>3395043
Literally all the holos have this flat face shit problem though

>>3399834
>I get the criticism toward umiushi but is it really worth so many getting so riled up over something that can be fixed? And for a minor visual flaw at that?
It's not a minor visual flaw and anyone with half a brain and a pair of eyes can see that. You faggots who are undermining the issue and giving umiushit a free pass are a part of the problem. A 2D model is a chuuba's livelihood and a way for them to communicate with their audience, no shit it's fucking important.

>>3399970
They'll 'fix it' by getting someone to clean up the ears, and not by fixing the holes in her chest/tail nor by fixing the flatness in her face whenever she turns, nor by fixing the stiffness in her body when she leans forwards/backwards, nor by fixing the fluttering her eyes constantly do, nor by giving her actual bottom teeth.

>How would you know that, anon?
>Though I'm forced to believe you by the almost immediate arrival of a wojackfag

>>3401123
So yes, what you're saying is that you would want her to turn her own model into a joke to spare the feelings of the rigger.

>>3401246
>>3401123

>>3400693
Why would such a big company hire a cheap ass rigger for it's bigger talent? It's retarded honestly

>>3401300
The money flows in nonetheless.

>>3401274
If you want to talk facts then you know what would have caused even less outrage than your proposal? Not using that rigger.

chumbuds
not even once

>>3401330
Following this logic every holo should have a shitty model which isn't the case

>>3401118
you're right. amateur riggers usually show more interest in learning the software and understanding how to use it, because they are motivated to grow their skills in their hobby. umiushi is well below the level of skill of a live2d hobbyist.

>>3399164
Coward. Revel in the (You)s.

I tie my entire being, ego and personality to product, so if you say that product is bad that means you're directly calling me bad and imperfect and I can't allow that on the internet.

Downvoted.

>>3399775
>youtube comments and reddit

The absolute hack of a rigger doesn't deserve to be harassed off the internet for yet another shit job, just let Cover deal with it. These Reddit whiteknights however deserve it and worse.

>>3401362
sure, this is already assuming a fuck up and defusing the outrage while it gets fixed. Wish Asacoco was still around.

>>3397263
HololiveTW, HololiveHK

>>3401166
So not being an autist is equivalent to giving a free pass to someone
OK

>>3395043
Chumniggers in a fucking deathrace to be more hated than KFP I see, godspeed retards.

>>3402301
KFP did nothing wrong

>>3399944
That's the thing, it wasn't just one bad job, just the latest.
Being fixable means nothing if they don't actually fix it.
And last of all it's not a mob at your door it's just mean comments online from people that wouldn't even step into your authoritarian shithole of a country.

>>3402301
Stay out of KFP business. We are irrelevant to this thread

>Chumniggers in a fucking deathrace to be more hated than KFP I see, godspeed retards.

>>3399762
Not even on 4channel, aside from the "haha, rigger sounds like nigger" posts.

>>3399970
>>3400107
Hi OP.
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Hey look, a chumbud!
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/search/image/dnpObd9Yza2r35EbaBEqkw/

Holy shit holo EN was a mistake, not the girls they are fine but you guys are insufferable cunts. This can only end poorly for gura you fags, stop being so self obsessed

>>3403323
>This can only end poorly for gura you fags
Nothing worse than this rigging can happen to Gura.

>>3395764
The ol gambit

>>3396879
A good opportunity for Anya. If the sperg out makes Cover change her rigging too, she'll finally be able to fulfill the niche she wants

If you still wonder why is EN so tightly managed by Cover this is the reason.

>>3403323
the rigging was a slap in the face and so disrespectful to Covers ONLY reason they are relevant at all.

>>3403553
It is very annoying that their managers are both so strict and so fucking lazy. They care more about stopping Gura from making short videos than they do about any sort of quality control whatsoever.

All Japanese companies are black companies.

Bros, just IMAGINE how fucked up the 3D debut for Gura is gonna be whenever it finally happens

>>3403717
Roberu...

>>3399472
fuck, its harder for me to write legit death threat than shitposting to waste everyone time. i need to lurk more, maybe 6 months is enough for me to be a motherfucking alpha chad who can write death threat effortlessly with industrial level of efficiency.

>>3403717
If cover fixes this shit AT ALL, I have a feeling that THAT crisis is averted. Unless they can't do the math from gura roommate to gura size.
UNLESS

>>3396903
The outrage was going to happen no matter what (Outfit is cute but very bland), and people then got hold of the mistakes and managed to track down the rigging record of this individual, who unfortunately accepted to rig GURA, probably not knowing how bad things could get due to her fanbase, and now the rain won't stop.

>>3403553
Cover fucked up and hired a zhang manager for EN and can't fire her because she would doxxx everyone.

>>3403813
There are probably dozens of riggers who’d kill to be guras rigger for the clout and would definitely at least give enough of a shit to not let the ears float

>>3403813
The outrage only happened because umiushi did a shit job. I wouldn't have cared about whether the rigger was an amateur or not if they had actually shown improvement over time. But no, it turns out the rigger has a record of making shit models which only made things worse. I'm not even a chumbud and this has me seething.

>>3403813
we have hated this rigger for a long time. there was no phase of tracking down the rigging record. we saw the announcement before the new outfit debut and the doomposting began in force immediately. it's easy to find posts complaining about umushit's record going back to december.
>>>/jp/30593740

>>3397263
Anon, stop being such a massive newfag, do your reps

Has anyone else noticed that in the original illustration the tale stitches have the same color? It’s not transparent it was made multicolor for some reason

>>3395083
All according to keikaku.

>>3395412
The difference is that their 3D isn't something you are going to see all the time. It's only for special events. Guta's L2D however is something you are going to see every single time she streams. Fucking that up is a lot more egregious the way I look at it. The spergs always blow it out of proportion, but people are right to be upset.

>>3403148
ok.

>>3395043
>Kris the holosimp
P*do alert

>Cover
>quality control
>despite their track record
Ahaha, what the fuck? Are you serious? Did you see Luna's 3D? Wait, of course not that was before pre-EN debuts. Have you seen Nene's 3D. Also where you guys have been when rigger completely fucked Anya? Not to mention that other girls have also some mistakes, check Ayame as a recent example but go ahead and try to shittalk Nana on twitter I dare you.
>but she's the most subbed!
I seriously hope numbers isn't your argument when even Pekora got denied by management.

>>3401192

>>3405117
What was the problem with Luna's 3D? Was it her mouth or the way her head looked like it didn't fit into her body?

>>3405384
Luna is a disaster in general, so many clashing elements it makes Kiara look well designed

>>3395043
Have sex incel

>>3396680
wait Roboco is censored for China???

>Have sex incel

>>3405431
You mean her outfit? I think it's nice overall, it matches her personality. I'm more curious about the issue people have with her 3D debut

>>3405674

>>3405712
For me it was the space invader bit going on way too long

>>3405117
>rigger completely fucked Anya?
Oppai loli was a gift, not his fault she squandered it.

>>3395062
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>>3405579
wa- OH GOD

this thread is full of discordtrannies

>>3406084
You think? Even reddit is being far more critical of this shitty model and Cover as whole than here, what the fuck happen to this board anyway?

cumtards are truly worse than zhangs

>>3405804
I can understand that. Personally, I was hoping for a bit of piano-playing since that's what I watch her for and she teased a bit about needing to prepare stuff for her 3D debut

>>3403813
>accepted to rig GURA, probably not knowing how bad things could get due to her fanbase
don't fucking give sympathy where it isn't due. What happened was no one's fault but the rigger for screwing up so bad and Cover for bringing her on for rigging repeatedly. If this blows over with nothing happening than there wasn't ENOUGH bitching

>>3405117
And all that was unacceptable as well, but nothing will fucking change if we don't start somewhere. Will you keep taking the shit they put with no complaint? Will you be happy when it stays the same years later? It "might" have been acceptable when Cover started but it isn't now, and hasn't been for a while. Either get standards or get the fuck out. And don't shitpost your retard opinions with my Oshi.

>>3406718
Holy shit, the entitlement. Nobody's forcing you to consume their content. They're not even charging you for it.

>>3395877
Take your meds schizo

>>3408282
Not OP, but yes, they are in the form of superchat, membership, goods and tickets to events. It's like a Kickstarter, viewers are helping fund a project with their money and expect quality work in return.

>>3405117
>Also where you guys have been when rigger completely fucked Anya?
just because you didn't see the complains doesn't mean they never existed

>>3406718
I completely agree. We should actually sincerely and politely complain. Twitter / Reddit rage is one thing, but having people send actual personal complaints is different. I know I'll be doing my part because I want Gura to look good and the chuuba industry to advance. Having hacks like this get jobs while potential real Live2D talent go unnoticed is bad for everybody.

>>3408759
All of the support you give is optional and except for stuff like membership or tickets they don't really entitle you to anything. Criticizing is free and even a good thing if you want them to improve, but acting as if they owe you a quality product because you donated money to them out of your own free will just doesn't make sense.

1.4 million views on the reveal and it hasnt been 24 hours yet. Imagine shafting your most popular chuuba, hope she graduates so she can hire competent people and not having to pay 30% tax just to get fucked in the ass

>>3395043
Does anyone know if the Japs are as critical of her rigging as we are? I'd say that if you think we're bad, they're probably a hundred times worse, but given that she's EN I'm not sure they care.

>>3403813
>managed to track down the rigging record
geeze, so they follow this shitjoke of an artist in twitter? I am just complaining about what you wrote there, I don't even know what you are replying to

>>3403813
The current bitching is VERY justified. Fuck that rigger.

>>3409300
I'm obviously not owed anything, but I can expect quality stuff from them as I know how much money they're getting from fans. It's like the rigger, she doesn't have to do a good job, but she shouldn't be expected to be hired again for Cover when other riggers have set the standards so high

>>3402480
Because of covid npcs online is now everyones front door.

>>3408282
>I-if you don't like it d-don't watch it
dear god, grow a pair.

>>3409300
so as long as they are not my slaves, I can't criticize them when they are offering a sub-optimal product, in the context of the bajilion yen they profit yearly

>>3410034
I don't disagree with any of that. But that's already a completely different stance than the anon I initially called entitled.

>>3410321
The post you're replying to literally says criticizing is good.

>>3410294
Nowhere in that post did I tell you what to do, if you don't like it and want to keep watching it, that's your choice, as is criticizing the content. Just don't act as if you're entitled to having whatever expectations you have for them fulfilled. That's not how it works.

>>3410609
>t-that's not how it w-works!!
Oh fuck, here you are expert of the field. All your effort to make this statement.
It would be incredible if you weren't contradicting yourself.
>your choice but under your terms.

>>3410351
>but acting as if they owe you...
Yeah right, next time this anon will tell me to use euphemisms so the absolute retard of a rigger and the incompetent who said "this live2d is okay, pass it to gura" don't get their feelings hurt

>>3398677
It was not by my hand that I am once again given cunny.

>>3399164
HIRO HE DOESNT SAY RIGGER HATE MODS DO YER JOB!

anytime people bring up death threats i tune out because it's literally the same as calling someone racist for saying something that wasn't racist in the slightest. normalfags always pull this shit and it's the reason society is so fucking useless.

>>3395043
She'd be better off just streaming with her Senzawa model than that abomination

>>3395043
>This isn't Gura's fault

How can you be so sure? It does look pretty rushed so perhaps Gura had some shitty stupid idea that made them redo the whole damn thing.

>>3414592
Every criticism is death threats. Muh starving artist should get paid top dollar for a shitty job because!!! Well because it’s art!!!

>>3395062
??????????
What the hell did he mean by this?

KEK GURA BTFO

>>3415327
Gura's talked about how there where problems with her original model before debut that had to be fixed in a rush, it's the same fucking rigger. Its also foolish to deflect the blame to Nacho mama when Kana, Luto and the donut girl look amazing.

>>3395717
Wasn't it the same idot who did Cocos that did gura?

>>3396937
And that's exactly why I have no sympathy for him people didn't make a stink over anya and nothing happened and if nobody made a stink over gura you know damn well he wouldn't fix her but you know he's working on overdrive fixing his mistake now to try and save face.

>>3399834
Did he fix anya?

>>3415327
the problem with gura's avatar is that it was rigged by shin umiushi, who does not know how to rig live2d avatars.

>>3395534
>he doesn't know about #notatsukinotanoshii or #seiyuushield
ngmi

>>3399834
>minor visual flaw
This kind of downplaying by Cover shills is fueling outrage even more.

>>3425501
No

>>3399834
At best I expect the floating ear and the literal holes in her model to be fixed. The awful warping and incorrect perspectives from autorigging will likely be left alone because the reddit/twitter/discord hugboxes are full of braindead normies who will only acknowledge the most obvious flaws that can be circled in red on a single screenshot.

>>3403539
God I hope so, I want to make a "hit them with the flat of my blade" joke so bad

>>3396903
Fuck off flatnigger.

>>3396778
I also didn't see any. I was even proud of /vt/ (or anybody else) for not going maximum schizo for once. Chumbuds kept it civil.

>>3442522
Anya rigger did God's work.

If Anya really thought her concept art is flat, she need new pairs of eye instead of new rigger.

>>3396903
Normies don't know that Anya's rigging got fucked. Hell, it wasn't until this most recent fiasco that I found out that she wasn't supposed to be an oppai loli. She's made jokes about it in collabs so I always figured it was the intent. Anybody who isn't completely on the up-an-up with riggers or doesn't watch Anya wouldn't know that anything was going on.

>>3395043
"Death threats" is the easiest fucking dismissal buzzword you can come up with, as if one child or schizo typing "wtf I kill u" has bearing on any situation - if it even happened, because they never post a source or a screen.
If you ever find yourself in hot water or in need of sympathybux, just cite death threats and post a screen of your burner account threatening you and telling you to off yourself. Normalfags and wokies alike will line the streets to wag their fingers and admonish all the terrible people in the world before canonizing your precious martyr's soul as an internet saint.

>>3408282
That argument only works for indie content creators. Unlike an indie, if we don't collectively donate to Holos, they WILL get fired. So yes, just like any other customer-service transaction, expectations of quality are integral.
We are entitled because, well, we really ARE entitled anon

At this rate, Hololive Indonesia is going to shitcanned for attracting worse retards than the Chinese

>>3395636
and even if there are one or two, who the hell are afraid of death threats? Am I going to the police, crying and begging for protection if some faggot from china says that he will find me and murder me? hahahaha fuck no. It's funny how it's always brought up as some excuse to shut down sometimes legitimate complaints.

>>3399378
Based meido strikes again. I kneel

>>3399775
Good, optimize your experience and stay the fuck there faggot

>>3403962
Nice rrat. It's been known since the very last callab Gura had with a JP - the amogus collab - that chumbuds are psychotic

>>3399655
>obviously underaged

>At this rate, Hololive Indonesia is going to shitcanned for attracting worse retards than the Chinese

>>3405117
Marine's 3d was so bad her reputation with the fandom took a hit.

>>3395043
> grade A weeb
> beta male
> virgins
> sending a death threats
yeah, that's as far as they can do. never took death threats from them seriously
what are they gonna do? go out? pfftt

>Jannies aren't doing anything about the KFP samefag wojackposting quotenigger running amok on the board
It's open season then I guess

Rate this thread!!

>>3437565
OH NO NO NO
MELON HEAD LOOKIN ASS

why are cumbuds like this?

>>3398677
fuck.
off.
return. Go back.

This place is great because it is NOT a social media. We do NOT vote neither up or nor down AND THERE ARE NO MODS THAT ENFORCE A CERTAIN NARRATIVE for the most part

>>3399834

>>3399164
THIS PERSON HAS FEELINGS ON THE INTERNET QUICK, SEND HIM BAD VIBES AND CALL THEM A FAGGOT. as long as your post doesn't get deleted by mods, you have nothing to complain about. Like it or not, this is the true free speech WOKES preach about

>>3395548
>Roberu
>still not as bad.
fucking kill yourself.

>>3397984
literally the big three of hugboxes.

I wonder if 4chan were more popular, it would adopt nepotic practices like those other sites. Or it is not more popular *because* it hasn't adopted such

>>3399575
>Things have been a bit rocky
its been proven EN cover interns are moderating certain generals based on the similar posts getting deleted on plebbit/global threads

you're retarded if you think this board is in any way "free" but I agree that 4chan in general is the place for normal reactions of people

>>3399164
>there are things I avoid saying
because you cant defend your shit opinion. only the well defended opinions rise to the top. if you're opinion is a failed opinion which doesnt pass a simple common sense test, you're out.

>>3437565
Yes, it's a small visual flaw that will be fixed. Stop getting so upset over it. I know you have OCD but control yourself man.

>>3455989
I love this autist

>>3463812
Today I will remind newfags again: This rigger never fixes his shitty work. If he will its only because he got paid extra by Cover or Gura herself. He is chineese

>>3463900
chinese, huh? now that makes things a whole lot more suspicious, especially with how a lot of them are sleeper agents for China and would love to sabotage Japanese related things for the for even the smallest of slights against their people.

>>3463664
what are your credentials to say that is has been proven?

>>3463900
>>3463992
>>3463812

>>3464163
This is why you don't sign contracts in countries with biased and/or shitty courts.
>>3463992
Yes. I also heard he is CCP member.

>>3463992
she's also bretty close with enma

>>3464068
common sense and pattern recognition

>>3395043
>https://files.catbox.moe/aq75av.png
every time i think people are sperging too hard over something that doesn't matter, i get slapped in the face by all the stupid hugbox faggots and it makes me think "ya fuck it they deserve death threats"

>>3464587
I'd rather have any pattern shown here, similar how I posted >>3464163 this screenshot. I feel like calling you names for saying "trust me bro" but its saturday. Again, what are your arguments to say that cover's unpaid interns infiltrated the mods?

>>3465465
>cover's unpaid interns
they're paid
>infiltrated the mods?
they didnt, they just asked hiroshimoot about it for quality control, he said yes.

again, once you look into the moderation of both r/hololive & certain generals on this board. it becomes obvious that if you cant notice it, I cant help you because you dont sound like someone who wants to accept other viewpoints.

that screenshot is also an elaborate "trust me bro" whereas mine is condensed. yet you believe one while ignoring the other?. do you need a lot of words to make you believe in something even though they may be wrong?

>>3396903
>Rigger used Anya's chest rigging for the new indie he just did
>uses matsuri's side-tail rigging for gura's new outfit
>has fucked up, so far, 4 different Holos and one of them (Gura) twice
>constant shoddy mistakes
Yea, why is anyone mad? Can't imagine why.

>>3465640
>they didnt, they just asked hiroshimoot about it for quality control, he said yes.
oh shit, then YOU are the infiltrator!! fuck dude, you better share those emails between cover and this year's moot. Man, I can't wait to read all the back and forth

>>3465640
>Cover pays a mod to jannie on 4chin when they won't even hire one for Gura's stream chat
yeah, ogey.

>>3463812
>it's a small visual flaw
it's a fundamentally broken rig made using fundamentally improper technique that needs to be redone from scratch.
>that will be fixed.
umiushi has never fixed any hololive rig. never.

>>3399970
>Other fanbases dealt with with this problem with more maturity.

Does your fanbase lose their shit at the slightest mention of the independent nation of Taiwan?

>>3463664
>proven
So where's the proof?

What the fuck is wrong with you people? It's just some fucking pixels with a cute girl voice shut the fuck up you fucking faggots.

>>3469838
there has been a long pattern of things like this and cover never addresses them. this time, due to the relatively new english fan base not being desensitized to it, and due to gura's massive audience for the outfit stream, the dissatisfaction is much more widespread. it's believed that this incident may present an opportunity to correct cover's neglectful behavior toward their talent.

>>3464068
>credentials on an anonymous image board
You don't get how this works do you?

I think the actual question is, how are literally -all- of the new outfits worse? All of them. They vary in quality, and rigging aside, all of the designs for EN are inferior to their debut ones.

>>3395696
If you're a person on the internet and you dont expect "death threats" then you're a fucking retard and deserve to off yourself. This faggot got to work on one of the biggest Vtubers models and did an extremely incompetent job. People have a right to be mad, he has a right to be shat on. Just because a handful of people make "death threats" doesnt mean the hate isnt deserved. This is like saying people who touch up historical art poorly dont deserve the hate they get. Fuck off and kill yourself.

>>3396318
Not really? Hugbox faggots got downvoted into oblivion, all top posts are criticisms. Gura's prechat was on fucking fire with the riggergate too. Normalfags don't like this shit one bit.

>>3409565
EN has quite a number of JP followers just from the en>jp clips that you might find. It's just hard to find where they actually lurk.

>>3475961
on a
>trust me bro
basis? yeah

>>3470318
Cumshart cope

>>3475987
Of course they are inferior, they are casual outfits that are no effort to expand on the lore of the characters.

>>3395083
>why isn't Gura saying anything about her fanbase?
Because it's not really her job to control how they behave, unless they're active in chat

>>3476285
the link between classical art restoration and a cute same-desu drawing is kinda... but I share your anger. Cover did it again (but of course, the one that should get most of the hate is the riger)

>>3395083
Because the Seiyuu Shield is bad practice

I wouldn't have noticed if you faggots hadn't pointed it out. But I bet you sound far more sperging in your complaints then you realize; hence why people are defending the rigger. Not your personal army but you are correct in assuming your better off with just sending a complaint directly to Cover as opposed to discussing things with the fanbase.

>>3480446
>I wouldn't have noticed if you faggots hadn't pointed it out.
Are you blind?

>>3480446
no. this time, they're going to lose. they are going to eat the fucking cost and fix something for once instead of leaving it permanently broken.

>>3396709
Why would we, she's not the mixer, and while her cover might not be as good as it could be it's not strictly speaking bad either.

What if.... Catfish nagged everyone about this and end up herself.
What have you done?

>>3482816
*end up sabotaging her own character design and rig

>>3395083
Because chumbuddies aren’t the ones doing it. They didn’t even notice a problem. It’s crazed KFP numberfags trying to create drama.

>>3395043
Okay we know the fuck-ups, but who has the best model overall? I knew subaru got an upgrade once but i never noticed a difference.

>Because chumbuddies aren’t the ones doing it. They didn’t even notice a problem. It’s crazed KFP numberfags trying to create drama.

>>3455989
Now let him do the other girls like this.

>>3489025
Proofs?

>>3395764
Seen this too many times to count in my life.

>>3396504
>most other holos don't have this type of audience
Oh I can think of one that browses twitter and says expressly dumbshit.

>>3396903
No one complains and Anya gets her new outfit fucked by umiushi. Considering its Cover they're still going to use the same rigger on Anya because they believe no one cares about her.

>>3480204
I see. So Artia was innocent as well.

>>3490210
Oh shit when did Gura watch Wolf Warrior with her chumbuds? I must have missed that watch along

>>3395043
we have zhang lurkers lol
https://twitter.com/Fufu_Ginko/status/1391340238203613191/photo/2

>>3490619
This isn't a surprise to anyone

>>3490286
I wonder what Gura's social score is? High enough to escape being made in to fin-soup?

>>3490286
Not Artia, retard. Stop believing everything on reddit.

>>3395043
>>3395241
>hugboxing
What exactly are you expecting from the VTuber community? This is one of the most agreeable communities on social media ever. They pay lots of money to a drawing making cute noises. If you're expecting criticism or perfectionism this community is one of the worst places you could possibly go to.

>>3395043
>all criticism is bad criticism
And these people unironically don't sense a hint of irony.

>>3396903
That's exactly the point, people let it slide once and here we are again.

>>3398677
>This place is no different than reddit
How to instantly reveal yourself as a redditor.

>>3489236
but, is she gay or european