/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>SEPTEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Pekora (Hololive) - 54,023 - Rust
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 47,845 - Return stream
3) Ayame (Hololive) - 118,899 - 4th anniversary 3D live
4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 87,145 - New outfit reveal
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,743 - Dragon Quest Monsters
6) Marine (Hololive) - 45,140 - Super Smash Bros Ultimate
7) Sora (Hololive) - 84,063 - 5th anniversary 3D live
8) Botan (Hololive) - 81.036 - Birthday 3D stream
9) Miko (Hololive) - 39.905 - Holocure
10) Marine (Hololive) - 50.041 - Holocure
11) Subaru (Hololive) - 36.779 - Persona 4 Golden
12) Miko (Hololive) - 38.454 - Rust
13) Pekora (Hololive) - 43.118 - Rust
14) Miko (Hololive) - 34.041 - Rust
15) Suisei (Hololive) - 59.604 - Karaoke
16) Moona (Hololive) - 87.402 - 3D Showcase
17) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 81.240 - KZHCUP in PUBG Day2
18) Gura (Hololive) - 92.264 - 3D live
19) Pekora (Hololive) - 96.590 - Fate Grand Order
20) Pekora (Hololive) - 89.156 - Fate Grand Order
21) Fubuki (Hololive) - 52.733 - Fate Grand Order
22) Naruse (Nijisanji) - 34.966 - 3D debut
23) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 67.731 - The Strange Tales of Nijisanji
24) Mito (Nijisanji) - 51.019 - Birthday gyakutotsu

>PER COMPANY
19x: Hololive
5x Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
5x: Pekora
3x: Miko
2x: Ayame, Marine, Nijisanji
1x: Botan, Fubuki, Fuwa, Gura, Mito Moona, Naru, Sora, Subaru, Suisei

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
170x: Hololive
87x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
35x: Pekora
17x: Miko
16x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Salome
11x: Nijisanji
10x: Subaru
8x: Marine
6x: Hal, Hololive
5x: Gura, Kanata, Mio, Suisei, Toya
4x: Flare, Noel, Okayu, Towa
3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Fuwa, Mayuzumi, Polka
2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Maimoto, Mel, Mito, Mori, Mysta, Shion, Sora
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Fubuki, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Moona, Nagao, Naru, Natsume, Nene, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *
>51,019: Mito (Nijisanji)
>50,481: Marine (Hololive)
>48,871: Subaru (Hololive)
>36,657: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>27,341: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>25,000: Subaru (Hololive)
>24,887: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>23,084: Pekora (Hololive)
>18,776: Fubuki (Hololive)
>15,955: Fubuki (Hololive)
>15,908: Magni (Holostars)
>15,700: Korone (Hololive)
>15,572: AZKi (Hololive)
>15,266: Botan (Hololive)
>15,081: Koyori (Hololive)
>14,963: Shiina (Nijisanji)
>14,263: Calli (Hololive)
>12,771: Runa (VSPO)
>12,222: Yugo (Nijisanji)
>11,947: Koyori (Hololive)
>11,660: Salome (Nijisanji)
>11,506: Luna (Hololive)
>11,146: Mio (Hololive)
>10,995: Flare (Hololive)
>10,517: Shiina (Nijisanji)
>10,280: Fubuki (Hololive)
>10,142: Mysta (Nijisanji)

Anchor post for /news/.

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>SEPTEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Pekora (Hololive) - 54,023 - Rust
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 47,845 - Return stream
3) Ayame (Hololive) - 118,899 - 4th anniversary 3D live
4) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 87,145 - New outfit reveal
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 36,743 - Dragon Quest Monsters
6) Marine (Hololive) - 45,140 - Super Smash Bros.
7) Sora (Hololive) - 84,063 - 5th anniversary 3D live
8) Botan (Hololive) - 88,981* - 3D birthday stream w/NePoLaBo
9) Miko (Hololive) - 39,905 - HoloCure new update
10) Marine (Hololive) - 50,041 - HoloCure new update
11) Subaru (Hololive) - 41,806* - Persona 4 Golden
12) Tsukasa (Indie) - 56,583 - Streamer league mahjong
13) Pekora (Hololive) - 43,118 - Rust
14) Miko (Hololive) - 34,041 - Rust
15) Suisei (Hololive) - 59,604 - Karaoke + announcement
16) Moona (Hololive) - 87,402 - 3D showcase
17) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 81,240 - Kuzuha Cup PUBG
18) Gura (Hololive) - 92,264 - 3D live
19) Pekora (Hololive) - 96,590 - Fate/Grand Order
20) Pekora (Hololive) - 89,156 - Fate/Grand Order
21) Fubuki (Hololive) - 52,693 - Fate/Grand Order
22) Naruse (Nijisanji) - 34,966 - 3D debut
23) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 67,731 - The Strange Tales of Nijisanji
24) Mito (Nijisanji) - 51,019 - Birthday gyakutotsu

>PER COMPANY
18x: Hololive
5x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

>PER STREAMER
5x: Pekora
2x: Ayame, Marine, Miko, Nijisanji
1x: Botan, Fubuki, Fuwa, Gura, Mito, Moona, Naruse, Sora, Subaru, Suisei, Tsukasa

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
168x: Hololive
88x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
4x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
34x: Pekora
16x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Miko, Salome
11x: Nijisanji
10x: Subaru
8x: Marine
6x: Hal, Hololive
5x: Gura, Kanata, Mio, Suisei, Toya
4x: Flare, Fuwa, Noel, Okayu, Towa
3x: Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Mayuzumi, Polka
2x: Ange, Botan, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Maimoto, Mel, Mito, Mori, Mysta, Shion, Sora, Tsukasa
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, AZKi, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Fubuki, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Moona, Nagao, Naruse, Natsume, Nene, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

Just got back, which collab was fun to watch, the garlic phone one or the worms?

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CUNT EYE SHITSKIN THIRD WORLD SUBHUMAN JUNGLE MONKEY.
There is no creature on this planet more repugnant than a SEANIGGER.

The SEANIGGER is the lowest life form known to humanity. They are brown, short, ugly as fuck, low-income of less than 2 dollars a day, they roam half-naked in their cluttered shacks.
It makes me fucking sick that I have to share this planet with these disgusting shit-flinging, flat-nosed, mentally-ill... SEA APES
FACTS:
SEAniggers are recognized by the world health authorities as most disproportionately schizophrenic people on the planet.
SEAniggers have the smallest microdicks on the planet rocking a length shorter than 4 and a half inches fully erect.
SEAniggers have a tradition called "pagpag" which consist of rummaging restaurant's trash for leftover food to cook.

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CUNT EYE SHITSKIN THIRD WORLD SUBHUMAN JUNGLE MONKEY.
There is no creature on this planet more repugnant than a SEANIGGER.

The SEANIGGER is the lowest life form known to humanity. They are brown, short, ugly as fuck, low-income of less than 2 dollars a day, they roam half-naked in their cluttered shacks.
It makes me fucking sick that I have to share this planet with these disgusting shit-flinging, flat-nosed, mentally-ill... SEA APES
FACTS:
SEAniggers are recognized by the world health authorities as most disproportionately schizophrenic people on the planet.
SEAniggers have the smallest microdicks on the planet rocking a length shorter than 4 and a half inches fully erect.
SEAniggers have a tradition called "pagpag" which consist of rummaging restaurant's trash for leftover food to cook.

>>33945163
Worms was fun. IDK about Garlic Phone didn't watch it yet but multi-language collabs like that are usually a bore.

THE NIP SLIP
THE NIP SLIP IS REAAAAL
I can finally die in peace

Also good lord the troon really wants that gift card huh

>entire EN branch relies on Gura's numbers
>Gura has no schedules and tells no one when she's collabing on another channel until the collab starts
>maybe
>sometimes she just retweets it
>sometimes she says nothing
Why does Gura hate advertising so much

>>33944902
This, it even got to thr point where she kept forcing the schizo stuff into her streams from how bad the flooding and spamming In her chat became, it seeped into other holo chats too which made her sad, any interactions with other holos would end up with the same old routine because all she sees in chat is thr dame "where is haato" and "coexist" stuff
I would genuinely not wish it on my worst enemy
I've been watching hololive since 2020 and only during that arc I just couldn't help but close the chat because it became unbearable

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CUNT EYE SHITSKIN THIRD WORLD SUBHUMAN JUNGLE MONKEY.
There is no creature on this planet more repugnant than a SEANIGGER.

The SEANIGGER is the lowest life form known to humanity. They are brown, short, ugly as fuck, low-income of less than 2 dollars a day, they roam half-naked in their cluttered shacks.
It makes me fucking sick that I have to share this planet with these disgusting shit-flinging, flat-nosed, mentally-ill... SEA APES
FACTS:
SEAniggers are recognized by the world health authorities as most disproportionately schizophrenic people on the planet.
SEAniggers have the smallest microdicks on the planet rocking a length shorter than 4 and a half inches fully erect.
SEAniggers have a tradition called "pagpag" which consist of rummaging restaurant's trash for leftover food to cook.

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CUNT EYE SHITSKIN THIRD WORLD SUBHUMAN JUNGLE MONKEY.
There is no creature on this planet more repugnant than a SEANIGGER.

The SEANIGGER is the lowest life form known to humanity. They are brown, short, ugly as fuck, low-income of less than 2 dollars a day, they roam half-naked in their cluttered shacks.
It makes me fucking sick that I have to share this planet with these disgusting shit-flinging, flat-nosed, mentally-ill... SEA APES
FACTS:
SEAniggers are recognized by the world health authorities as most disproportionately schizophrenic people on the planet.
SEAniggers have the smallest microdicks on the planet rocking a length shorter than 4 and a half inches fully erect.
SEAniggers have a tradition called "pagpag" which consist of rummaging restaurant's trash for leftover food to cook.

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CUNT EYE SHITSKIN THIRD WORLD SUBHUMAN JUNGLE MONKEY.
There is no creature on this planet more repugnant than a SEANIGGER.

The SEANIGGER is the lowest life form known to humanity. They are brown, short, ugly as fuck, low-income of less than 2 dollars a day, they roam half-naked in their cluttered shacks.
It makes me fucking sick that I have to share this planet with these disgusting shit-flinging, flat-nosed, mentally-ill... SEA APES
FACTS:
SEAniggers are recognized by the world health authorities as most disproportionately schizophrenic people on the planet.
SEAniggers have the smallest microdicks on the planet rocking a length shorter than 4 and a half inches fully erect.
SEAniggers have a tradition called "pagpag" which consist of rummaging restaurant's trash for leftover food to cook.

Banned lol

# is declining...

>filling captchas and doing it by hand, waiting on the cooldown
Somehow I think jannies are laughing and letting him doing it and bantering
>he does it for free
before some 40 posts or so (meaning some 45 minutes of doing it by hand) when they finally delete it

>>33945313
Advertising got so bad out west (especially in America) that everyone resorted to adblocks to escape the bog. Anyone that lived through it would have grown to hate the idea of shilling anything, even yourself. The fear (and shame) of being branded a shill is deeply rooted in the conscious of the people of the before 2012...

>holo”live”
>no one is live

What retard said haachama's English rust was at an EOP friendly time? She started stream at like 2:30AM EST on a weekday LMAO
Sometimes you guys forget 80% of the use lives in the Eastern and Central time zones

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That’s not the case for Gura tho. She just isn’t fond of “indirect communication”.
She’s a genius live in her streams but she surely isn’t the brightest bulb when writing social media posts.

What she lacks is a personal assistant (the JP girls call it a “manager” but it’s a misnomer) to deal with this on her behalf.

Guys I really dont want Twitch to die because that means those twitch vtubers will have to migrate to Youtube which means their content and their audience. It will become who can create or farm more drama for numbers.
This will truly be the decline of EN vtubing which is already not in a good state

>>33945838
this. these women desperately need an intern-kun that just takes care of that shit

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Fauna is

>>33945975
Jokes on you, the Twitch audience will get diluted and converted into a more sensible audience once they are out of that shitpile of echo chamber

>>33945975
>that means those twitch vtubers will have to migrate to Youtube
Oh nyoooo, not twitch vtubers, where the only people who can break 10k on a moderate basis are Shoto and Ironmouse (say goodbye to those numbers on youtube though pfhahha)

>>33945975
dadc, watch Japanese vtubers.

>>33945975
This is good though. Once they migrate they'll get integrated to Hololive through the algorithm.

>>33945771
No one said that anon, most of her English streams aren't during good EOP friendly time slots

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>What she lacks is a personal assistant (the JP girls call it a “manager” but it’s a misnomer) to deal with this on her behalf.
She does have one (and that is indeed a type of manager), but their duties are either not well outlined, or completely at odds with the idea of what a personal assistant actually does most of the time. Cover still operates like a tech company and not like an entertainment one (let alone an agency).

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The SEANIGGER is the lowest life form known to humanity. They are brown, short, ugly as fuck, low-income of less than 2 dollars a day, they roam half-naked in their cluttered shacks.
It makes me fucking sick that I have to share this planet with these disgusting shit-flinging, flat-nosed, mentally-ill... SEA APES
FACTS:
SEAniggers are recognized by the world health authorities as most disproportionately schizophrenic people on the planet.
SEAniggers have the smallest microdicks on the planet rocking a length shorter than 4 and a half inches fully erect.
SEAniggers have a tradition called "pagpag" which consist of rummaging restaurant's trash for leftover food to cook.

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HoloEN does not have enough entertainment value to keep people in

>>33946326
I wrote Hololive, not HoloEN.

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dude twitch viewers are used to 10 hrs to react andy, fauna using the raid farm for 1hr it's peak content. while they wank to her UUuuUUuu

oh hey mumei actually moved her stream time

Holobronies, tonight, I will remind you.

Nijisanji EN was always extremely small compared to Hololive EN. About 1/5 or 1/6 the viewers. They were just ignored and weren't taken seriously whatsoever. Then Luxiem debuted, and received a massive, overwhelming response. They were getting streams with more viewers than HoloEN, and getting dramatically more donations than HoloEn has ever gotten. Vox and Luca became #1 and #2 most donated youtube channels in the world, and have occupied the top 10 rankings ever since.

2 weeks after they debuted and it was clear they were a success, Hololive announced new EN auditions. Very obvious to any thinking person that these were males intended to rip off the Luxiem boys. Nijisanji fans said as much, although Hololive fans created various copes and denials. "It's not males, it's just open auditions." A few months later, Hololive made it explicitly clear that they were seeking MALE talents. This caused a massive meltdown on /vt/. The Nijis chatted about it on discord, correctly observing that Hololive was probably trying males because the Council was a disappointment. The screenshot was leaked, and the hololive shills on this board managed to turn all the rage and ire bout males, into hatred for Nijisanji and the screenshot.

In typical hololive fashion, they hired a bunch of overpaid nepotism artists to produce the designs, and they produced complete shit. Terrible designs, terrible rigging. The designs were released 1 week before the debuts, and it became immediately clear that these would never appeal to females. So they changed all the marketing overnight to sell them as "brotubers". A term which most people had never heard about before, but which immediately became popularized through their relentless shilling efforts.

In the space of that 1 week between the models being annouced, and debut, they completely blanketed the entire board in propaganda promoting these vtubers. A relentless, incessant shilling campaign, just completely carpeting the entire board in posts promoting Tempus. The shilling was primarily concentrated on Vesper and Magni, as they were the ones with the incredibly fucked-up designs.

And despite having shit models, with shit rigging, and hiring shitty low-tier streamers to fill them, they managed to get quite a few viewers. Proving that quality doesn't really matter, the only thing that matters is promoton. Its especially evident because of how much more successful Magni and Vesper became, the two guys who got the most shilling because of their fucked up designs.

This is part of a deeper phenomenon that is not often discussed on this board. The fact that this board is completely ruled by shills and advertising professionals from Hololive. They are running a little cult operation. They make posts telling you what to think about the streams, what to think about the vtubers, what to think about this or that company. They have a very large and sophisticated advertising operation that is totally controlling how and what their fans think about the streams.

Their fans don't seem to have any mind of their own, but rather obediently repeat the narratives they absorb here. That's why this entire board is completely dominated by hololive vtubers, and anyone outside of hololive is mocked, shit on, and basically run out of town. It's because this board is their little promotional operation to promote their corporation. And the mods are in on it.

Ok i went and searched through Ninas subathon and found her answering the question about whether she applied to Holo or Niji

>Applied to one of the two
>It went nowhere
>Says she loves them
>also still happy currently
>Tough choice which she didn't have to make since it didn't happen
>Talks about pros and cons
>Having to discard past identities
>Deleting past videos
>Restrictions
>But getting huge opportunities
>Has admiration for them
>A lot of different chances


Sounds like she applied once maybe and didn't get a response and gave up which is a shame

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would they be able to continue doing react content in YT?

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she's leaving once the law to make their public info legal

>>33946508
Cover scouting team is unparalleled in their ability to avoid yab-magnets for the most part.

>>33946503
people will attack you for this but it's true

>>33946503
We already know the jannies are schizo retards.

>>33946503
good, I hate nijiniggers but you have to acknowledge that those retards grinded for their success and deserve it
not only that but they were on the male/celeb collab train before holoen tried to jump in

>>33946438
fuck no, take for example the same copyrighted video, youtube take down your channel in real time, twitch is after you go offline, with lower chances if you have vod for subscription only (sub twitch=memb youtube) and it's triggered manually after request from the copyright holder.
it's almost impossible to get copyright strike on twitch, that's why disguised toast did full series anime watchalong without permit to prove a point (and farma a fuckton of money)

>>33946503
https://twitter.com/tanigox/status/1550482521393344513
https://twitter.com/tanigox/status/1556041337736089600

holounicorns continue to blame everyone but themselves over their infighting

Fauna is going to play Civ 5 next week(maybe)
buff or debuff?

predictions for the pico park collab?

>33946503
I didn't bite in the catalogue and I sure ain't biting now

on another note, I'm going to save https://twitter.com/search?q=%23nijiselfie&src=typeahead_click you know, for fun... and to have something in case something happens in the future...

>>33946503
meds

>>33946509
>>33946639
holy miss quote

>>33946509
they will find a way since that's the only thing they can do

>>33945975
Surprisingly, not even the Twitch vtuber scene is drama based.
It was mostly converts a d tourists that tried to start it, but they usually get ignored.
Their "react meta" meatfriends on the other hand would, but they probably never come to YT, or at least have to adapt.

>>33946509
Gura is going to do it

>>33946552
As far as i'm aware she doesn't have any yabs

>>33946651
24k

>>33946503
can I get a basic gestalt of this essay?

>>33946767
selenposter grifted a steamcard

>>33946508
Based on description she went for Niji

>>33946651
23k

>>33946767
>This board is a Hololive run shill campaign and real people actually hate them

>>33946651
20k

>>33946651
22k

>>33946503
I could type out a few paragraphs explaining why you are wrong. OR I can just tell you to rope yourself nijinog.

>>33946753
roru

>>33946503
The gift cards mysterious discord screenshot is also suspicious. High likely to be fake to try hide any discussion about current direction of HoloEN. I wouldn't be surprised if all those people spamming "gift cards" are cover shills. The campaign over it is literally identical to magging shit.

>>33946829
so just the voices in his head

>>33946799
She was definately talking about Hololive

>>33946753
are you talking about Nina Kosaka or some other Nina?

>>33946651
15k

>33946875
you know we can see that you're copy-pasting this shit directly from the catalogue bait? stop spamming this thread with your trash

>>33946910
Nina Saotome

>>33946767
NijiEN inclining, HoloEN reclining

>>33946741
Not yet coz they are surviving on Twitch, when they come to Youtube and have to work for the numbers things will become desperate and drama is the easiest way to get that.
Reaction wont work, neither coombaiting

>>33946651
20-25k. Feels like a haphazardly thrown together collab aimed at damage controlling their collab spamming fuck up.

>>33946954
ah the Dutch chuuba
please specify surnames when discussing chuubas that share first names with a bigger chuuba anon.
It will avoid a lot of confusion and headache down the line.

>>33946966
Reaction might work for a while if they actually take precautions to avoid the system, but never to the same degree as on twitch.

>>33946503
It's all just a cycle of picking a retarded hill to die on, being wrong about it and getting shat on by every other sector of the internet, and inventing a boogeyman to excuse the retarded shit they genuinely believed before it got shat on. Sums up all bronies to a T, even the casuals.

>>33946958
they are both crashing and burning as we speak
although for different valid reasons

>>33946825
>>33946837
>>33946838
>>33946995
thats too much for a game which needs people to keep talking, 15-18k is reasonable

Holobronies, this is the truth and you know it. This is the board you've been shitting up since it's inception.

Nijisanji EN was always extremely small compared to Hololive EN. About 1/5 or 1/6 the viewers. They were just ignored and weren't taken seriously whatsoever. Then Luxiem debuted, and received a massive, overwhelming response. They were getting streams with more viewers than HoloEN, and getting dramatically more donations than HoloEn has ever gotten. Vox and Luca became #1 and #2 most donated youtube channels in the world, and have occupied the top 10 rankings ever since.

2 weeks after they debuted and it was clear they were a success, Hololive announced new EN auditions. Very obvious to any thinking person that these were males intended to rip off the Luxiem boys. Nijisanji fans said as much, although Hololive fans created various copes and denials. "It's not males, it's just open auditions." A few months later, Hololive made it explicitly clear that they were seeking MALE talents. This caused a massive meltdown on /vt/. The Nijis chatted about it on discord, correctly observing that Hololive was probably trying males because the Council was a disappointment. The screenshot was leaked, and the hololive shills on this board managed to turn all the rage and ire bout males, into hatred for Nijisanji and the screenshot.

In typical hololive fashion, they hired a bunch of overpaid nepotism artists to produce the designs, and they produced complete shit. Terrible designs, terrible rigging. The designs were released 1 week before the debuts, and it became immediately clear that these would never appeal to females. So they changed all the marketing overnight to sell them as "brotubers". A term which most people had never heard about before, but which immediately became popularized through their relentless shilling efforts.

In the space of that 1 week between the models being annouced, and debut, they completely blanketed the entire board in propaganda promoting these vtubers. A relentless, incessant shilling campaign, just completely carpeting the entire board in posts promoting Tempus. The shilling was primarily concentrated on Vesper and Magni, as they were the ones with the incredibly fucked-up designs.

And despite having shit models, with shit rigging, and hiring shitty low-tier streamers to fill them, they managed to get quite a few viewers. Proving that quality doesn't really matter, the only thing that matters is promoton. Its especially evident because of how much more successful Magni and Vesper became, the two guys who got the most shilling because of their fucked up designs.

This is part of a deeper phenomenon that is not often discussed on this board. The fact that this board is completely ruled by shills and advertising professionals from Hololive. They are running a little cult operation. They make posts telling you what to think about the streams, what to think about the vtubers, what to think about this or that company. They have a very large and sophisticated advertising operation that is totally controlling how and what their fans think about the streams.

Their fans don't seem to have any mind of their own, but rather obediently repeat the narratives they absorb here. That's why this entire board is completely dominated by hololive vtubers, and anyone outside of hololive is mocked, shit on, and basically run out of town. It's because this board is their little promotional operation to promote their corporation. And the mods are in on it.

>>33947052
I mean nijisanji declining because of a yo mama joke will never not be funny.

>>33946643
>holounicorns
>>>/blue_bird.png/

>>33946177
>but their duties are either not well outlined, or completely at odds with the idea of what a personal assistant actually does most of the time
The “manager” of the girls, from what Suisei, Haachama, Towa, Marine and some of the girls talk in their streams, has a job with pretty much one description
>provide with what the girls need to produce their content
Some girls use that to the fullest extent. Suisei, in particular, brags about hiding her (many managers) raw to make sure they’re working at their full capabilities to amplify what she herself can do.
Marine clearly does the same, Haachama doesn’t but used to use her managers as a “fig leaf” to get away with doing things that otherwise wouldn’t be allowed without at least some consulting with the upper management.
Maybe the greatest example of how much a good manager can be seen by on
>The Legend of Polka
where it clearly shows Polka and her staff are one well rehearsed team.
>Polka having the highest pedigree on producing this sort of content, of course.

Some other girls, conversely, do not have this good relationship with their personal staff and are unable to get them to properly support them, with Pekora being one of the most apparent example.
My general point is: the manager is there to serve the girls, much like a personal assistant and the girls can even fire / replace them (see: Suisei, Lamy).
What they do, like everything in the company, is up to the girls and entirely dependent on their leadership.
Some girls have it in them to whip their staff into compliance, some are too meek and lack the ability

Haven't seen the word "holobronies" nearly as much in the last few weeks while all the pro-tempiss anti-unicorn shit was being spammed. Now that's dying down and the "muh holobronies" shit is back. What a coincidence.

>>33947129
BASED
FUCK HOLOTRANNYJANNIES

>>33945975
JP vtubing has a language barrier and NA sleeps or works during JST hours, it's safe. EN vtubers can get fucked for all I care. Related to your point, I actually feel sorry for Ludwig. He may be a total corporate friendly establishment fag but in his latest podcast he lamented that NA twitch streaming is incestuous reaction loops and drama gossip and even his podcast partners shouted him down. It's like americans can't comprehend "normal streaming" anymore.

>>33946649
Probably a buff for the 1st stream because of novelty, since I don't think anyone else has played Civ yet, have they? Just AOE2?

Why do the Holotranny Jannies keep deleting this post for speaking the truth about /vt/?

Holobronies, this is the truth and you know it. This is the board you've been shitting up since it's inception.

Nijisanji EN was always extremely small compared to Hololive EN. About 1/5 or 1/6 the viewers. They were just ignored and weren't taken seriously whatsoever. Then Luxiem debuted, and received a massive, overwhelming response. They were getting streams with more viewers than HoloEN, and getting dramatically more donations than HoloEn has ever gotten. Vox and Luca became #1 and #2 most donated youtube channels in the world, and have occupied the top 10 rankings ever since.

2 weeks after they debuted and it was clear they were a success, Hololive announced new EN auditions. Very obvious to any thinking person that these were males intended to rip off the Luxiem boys. Nijisanji fans said as much, although Hololive fans created various copes and denials. "It's not males, it's just open auditions." A few months later, Hololive made it explicitly clear that they were seeking MALE talents. This caused a massive meltdown on /vt/. The Nijis chatted about it on discord, correctly observing that Hololive was probably trying males because the Council was a disappointment. The screenshot was leaked, and the hololive shills on this board managed to turn all the rage and ire bout males, into hatred for Nijisanji and the screenshot.

In typical hololive fashion, they hired a bunch of overpaid nepotism artists to produce the designs, and they produced complete shit. Terrible designs, terrible rigging. The designs were released 1 week before the debuts, and it became immediately clear that these would never appeal to females. So they changed all the marketing overnight to sell them as "brotubers". A term which most people had never heard about before, but which immediately became popularized through their relentless shilling efforts.

In the space of that 1 week between the models being annouced, and debut, they completely blanketed the entire board in propaganda promoting these vtubers. A relentless, incessant shilling campaign, just completely carpeting the entire board in posts promoting Tempus. The shilling was primarily concentrated on Vesper and Magni, as they were the ones with the incredibly fucked-up designs.

And despite having shit models, with shit rigging, and hiring shitty low-tier streamers to fill them, they managed to get quite a few viewers. Proving that quality doesn't really matter, the only thing that matters is promoton. Its especially evident because of how much more successful Magni and Vesper became, the two guys who got the most shilling because of their fucked up designs.

This is part of a deeper phenomenon that is not often discussed on this board. The fact that this board is completely ruled by shills and advertising professionals from Hololive. They are running a little cult operation. They make posts telling you what to think about the streams, what to think about the vtubers, what to think about this or that company. They have a very large and sophisticated advertising operation that is totally controlling how and what their fans think about the streams.

Their fans don't seem to have any mind of their own, but rather obediently repeat the narratives they absorb here. That's why this entire board is completely dominated by hololive vtubers, and anyone outside of hololive is mocked, shit on, and basically run out of town. It's because this board is their little promotional operation to promote their corporation. And the mods are in on it.

>>33947154
Same with the holokek spammer. It's all the same handful of people just shitting up the thread 16 hours a day.

>>33946649
why isn't she starting with an easier game like AoE2? IDs are playing that so she could join collabs as well.
Also did HoloEN management stop being anal about history?
I mean, I do get it, most historical references will have the Holocaust as a prominent event and management obviously don't want to force their talents to lie to their audience, but I feel like Fauna and Mumei are savvy enough to steer clear of it.

>>33947232
BASED

what set our sisters off today

>>33947253
She also mentioned wanting to play AoE2 with the ID's and Kiara, but wanna do it in a collab.
I am pretty sure Fauna has played civ 5 a good amount, so she knows the basics.
There also still seem to be some issues with civ 5 perms, since Fauna said she wanted to play it this week but the perms fell through, but she hopes to play next week.

Frog found a new copypasta to spam?

Keep running away from the truth Holotranny Jannies. This board will not allow your censorship of the truth and only the truth.


Nijisanji EN was always extremely small compared to Hololive EN. About 1/5 or 1/6 the viewers. They were just ignored and weren't taken seriously whatsoever. Then Luxiem debuted, and received a massive, overwhelming response. They were getting streams with more viewers than HoloEN, and getting dramatically more donations than HoloEn has ever gotten. Vox and Luca became #1 and #2 most donated youtube channels in the world, and have occupied the top 10 rankings ever since.

2 weeks after they debuted and it was clear they were a success, Hololive announced new EN auditions. Very obvious to any thinking person that these were males intended to rip off the Luxiem boys. Nijisanji fans said as much, although Hololive fans created various copes and denials. "It's not males, it's just open auditions." A few months later, Hololive made it explicitly clear that they were seeking MALE talents. This caused a massive meltdown on /vt/. The Nijis chatted about it on discord, correctly observing that Hololive was probably trying males because the Council was a disappointment. The screenshot was leaked, and the hololive shills on this board managed to turn all the rage and ire bout males, into hatred for Nijisanji and the screenshot.

In typical hololive fashion, they hired a bunch of overpaid nepotism artists to produce the designs, and they produced complete shit. Terrible designs, terrible rigging. The designs were released 1 week before the debuts, and it became immediately clear that these would never appeal to females. So they changed all the marketing overnight to sell them as "brotubers". A term which most people had never heard about before, but which immediately became popularized through their relentless shilling efforts.

In the space of that 1 week between the models being annouced, and debut, they completely blanketed the entire board in propaganda promoting these vtubers. A relentless, incessant shilling campaign, just completely carpeting the entire board in posts promoting Tempus. The shilling was primarily concentrated on Vesper and Magni, as they were the ones with the incredibly fucked-up designs.

And despite having shit models, with shit rigging, and hiring shitty low-tier streamers to fill them, they managed to get quite a few viewers. Proving that quality doesn't really matter, the only thing that matters is promoton. Its especially evident because of how much more successful Magni and Vesper became, the two guys who got the most shilling because of their fucked up designs.

This is part of a deeper phenomenon that is not often discussed on this board. The fact that this board is completely ruled by shills and advertising professionals from Hololive. They are running a little cult operation. They make posts telling you what to think about the streams, what to think about the vtubers, what to think about this or that company. They have a very large and sophisticated advertising operation that is totally controlling how and what their fans think about the streams.

Their fans don't seem to have any mind of their own, but rather obediently repeat the narratives they absorb here. That's why this entire board is completely dominated by hololive vtubers, and anyone outside of hololive is mocked, shit on, and basically run out of town. It's because this board is their little promotional operation to promote their corporation. And the mods are in on it.

>>33946651
>80% of EN in a single stream
lmao if it doesn't even get 30k

>>33947253
Were they ever anal about history or was it just the perms?

>>33947333
seems so

>>33947322
Tempus bait doesn't give as many (You) anymore.

>>33947327
ah good to know
Hopefully Mumei can finally get perms for her history related streams as well

don't burn all your IPs at once froganon

>>33947253
didn't kiara just make a reference to the holocaust in GTA due to Trevor's shirt?

>>33946651
It will beat the VR anniversary.

>>33947327
They might be anal about someone wanting to play 5 and not 6 lmao

>>33947360
iirc Mumei wanted to do something history related, not exactly a game, and that was shut down stating that history = politics or some shit like that.

>>33947222
>since I don't think anyone else has played Civ yet, have they?
She said she was the one to request perms and has been waiting on them, so I would guess she's the first.

>>33947346
If Kiara and Mori brings their typical personality I can see people start leaving

5k waiting room

>>33947486
Already looking grim. Looks like only the boys can bring big numbers. Gura can't even do it anymore.

>>33947401
Kiara's always been a loose cannon.
Management probably doesn't want the anti holocaust holos to get bullied by her and Mori's gang, which is probably why there's a blanket ban on history stuff.

>Koyori ghouls and goblins
For the motherfuckers in this thread who told me I was shitposting when I joked about Koyori Playing Mario because of Pekora, I'm taking my W for this one.

>>33947486
Grim

>>33947401
A one off joke is probably different than asking for an entire stream
Plus who knows maybe Kiara got bonked afterwards

>>33947360
>>33947449
>and that was shut down stating that history = politics or some shit like that.
Then she decided to make a history related MV and fucked up and had to recall it, proving management right that a girl in her 20s LARPing as a history of expert is not the best combination

>>33947449
>that was shut down stating that history = politics or some shit like that.
Iirc they were looking for history stuff that would offend literally nobody, and discovered that everything offends someone.

>>33946482
any reason why?

>>33947661
To be fair, that was on Kanaru being the absolute lazy piece of shit that he always is.

>>33947721
Same difference

>>33946651
how fun is pico park compared to worms?

Now that EN3 is just beyond the horizon and with the recent and ongoing Kronii drama, it'd be interesting to see if the new recruits would pull a Bae during their debut. Defuse the bomb from ever exploding by not setting it on at the start. It'd halt their momentum but they don't have to deal with drama in the future.

>>33947661
The joke is that the video offended noone

>>33947754
management enforced, just like with ID3

>>33947754
I buy the rrat that they deliberately chose EN3s that are all pro-homo. Hope I'm wrong.

From a brand management standpoint Tempus was a large and mostly unnecessary risk. Even the girls that aren't interacting with them can expect viewership damage from this brand dilution. Everyone should understand HoloENs new direction is akin to the New Coke fiasco in the 80s, the posterchild to why you should be extremely careful when you're managing the branding of your core product.

>>33947754
They would honestly be dumb not to. Don't have to be overt about it or anything, just add some of the Tempus or Holostars guy in your list of favorite holos if you ever plan to collab with them.
Might be smart to do even if they don't plan to, just as a precautionary measure.

>>33947754
I actually think that this generation might surprise us, because i'm sure that a least one of those who had Kawaii as a second option actually got in.

>>33947746
Pico Park is a game that depends on extreme coordination between all playing and one that can become terribly frustrating if someone is not treating it seriously and fucking up on purpose.
I wonder how this collab will go.
>good thing the EN girls are all on the same page and with the same goals in mind

>>33947754
>>33919304

>>33947829
But anon, look at the roddit updoots!

>>33947889
>one that can become terribly frustrating if someone is not treating it seriously
"Fucking pink whore" posts are in our future.

>>33947891
I wish my twitch oshi would get into Holo, but she said joining any corpo wouldn't be for her and she likes her indie self-management style.

>>33947850
>They would honestly be dumb not to
just watch them hiring again people that know shit about vtubers or hololive and they will commit the same errors as kroni

>>33947829
>Thea ban was cut short by fan demand

>>33947946
They all say that at the start. Remember Kson. Didn't last long. They know corpo is the meta. It's cope at this point.

>>33947948
https://youtu.be/CShnBoulwV8

>>33948019
More like desperation because they weren't doing as well as they stupidly thought they would.

>>33948054

>>33947829
there is a reason why people keep calling en management retarded, they dont know what they are doing

>>33947829
This is what happens when the entirety of your market research consists of reading your own hugbox reddit.

>>33947754
Anon... There's no EN3...

>>33948019
this is how you know Omegay only looks at the Reddit echo chamber for "feedback" and still does to this day

>>33947940
The ones playing it right, like Luna with her audience, only do it because the other players are absolutely submissive and adoring of the streamer
>and also because she would kick out anyone trolling or underperforming
Now this has potential to be as frustrating as the Fauna led Ender Dragon fight

Don't you sisters have Xenoblade part 15 or Powerwash sim with Aster to be watching?

>>33947891
>They won't stream, because the (bad) examples previous EN generations have set. They see that you can get away with putting little to no effort in and still stay on and be rewarded by guaranteed cuckbucks.
Fucking grim. Time to start doing my jp reps

>>33948019
I actually wonder, where was this "fan demand"? because i had no idea that there were anything apart from some homobeggars until that point

>>33948155
Reminder it was Mori who told Council to "take it easy" lmao

>>33948019
So they will concede to homobeggar demand. Guess everyone should make demands, then.

>>33948167
Imagine if they actually fell for nijiniggers masquerading as holo fans on their subreddit calling for coed streams rumao

>>33948054
I know that fitting the model with the voice is important but I really hope they dont hire more people like this...

>>33948219
The unicorns around here are too timid for that

Ame what the hell.

>>33948241
I'm starting to think that is exactly what they did

>>33948277
>but I really hope they dont hire more people like this...
Anon do I have to remind you again who's in charge of the EN branch

>>33948366
let me have hope anon, at least until EN3 debuts

>>33948329
Great start

>>33947780
The most "offended" were people claiming to have been traumatized by the Challenger explosion...but somehow they didn't recognize that there was no reference to it. The video parodied a SpaceX accident.
The whole thing was bullshit, no one defended Mumei, and management made her eat shit.
Shamefuru dispray.

>>33948329
she started the stream on Mori's channel lmao

>>33948054

>>33947829
That's not to say it's impossible for them to have their cake and eat it too. The key will be in having a low ratio of male oriented collaborations compared to the usual content.

>>33948219
you get banned if you do anything other than homobegging on reddit

>>33948432
She said she took it down by herself didn't she?

>>33948420
Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane. Just accept the truth.

>>33948504
She did, multiple times.

>>33948519

>>33948489
Looks like after that Irys post anything related to homobegging can end up banned or deleted

>>33947661
She didn't even do anything apparently the guy who animatee it was just told to do what he wants

>hide ccv
>enjoyment of stream goes up exponentially
See ya later fuckers.

>No Gura tweet
Yeah, I'm thinking sub 20k

>>33948504
>>33948583
Whenever it's true or not doesn't change the fact that new version is inferior and utterly ruins main jokes of the MV

>>33947829
funny because Tempus feels like something a mangaka would add to their work when they need some sort of conflict to keep the plot going but can't think of anything good, so they end up adding forced drama

>>33948476
Well about that, can't say it started well

>>33948635
I wish the CCV was the only thing i disliked about holoEN nowadays

>>33948589
I want to impregnate IRyS!

>>33948635
you can't do that anon, that's against the rules. Watame will twist your balls now.

>>33948241
Consider we talking about EN management I wouldn't be surprised.

So the future of HoloEN is grim. I think it's time to jump ship but then there is not a single fanbase who accepts criticism.

>>33948670
Unlike a manga though they can shelf them after the arc is over.

>>33947780
>The joke is that the video offended no one
>>33948432
>The whole thing was bullshit, no one defended Mumei, and management made her eat shit.
That’s true but the simple fact Mumei pulled it to figure out if someone had a legitimate claim or if it was bullshit proves the point that the whole subject is a minefield.
Luxiem are getting a taste of that, with the “roman” thing of theirs (which is not really Roman btw).

Now, there are two ways to deal with it: to create unnecessary controversy and be defiant or to color within the lines and avoid anything political, cultural or polemic at all.

Guess what made Hololive the cultural safe heaven in these divisive days?

gigabased gura with the silent treatment
she's the only one that understands how hololive should be and will not let the whores to latch on her success to mask "why they are not reclining"

How is this getting less than a Gura stream when she is part of it, nevermind 7 other EN members. Do significant segments of their audiences hate collabs that much, even if CGDCT ones?

>LA CREATIVIDAD 2D MODELS
Owakon numbers

>description doesn't show Gura in it
>no gura avatar on the screen
>gura is dead quiet
>gura didn't tweet and has no schedule
yeah there's no way to know gura is in this. how would chumbuds know to show up?

>>33948241
Nah, I think there was honest demand from clipwatchers who only thought as far as "I like X, I like Y, therefore I want colabs between X and Y." The bait is being stupid enough to think that the unicorn problem would somehow be different for them when it's common fucking knowledge for female streamers on every platform, in every language. More likely, they got baited by stuff like Towa getting an army of EOP saviourfags after Japan lynched her for the vaguest hint of a male.

>>33948765
Come back home to HoloJP, anon

>>33948904
Gura has given no real indication to her fanbase she is in it.

Bros...why they hate numbers so much?

I was wondering how Ame would debuff an 8 person EN collab on her channel.

>>33948904
Your average fan doesn't know this Gura collab exists because she said nothing about it anywhere, and also when you open this stream you can't even see Gura >>33948933

>>33948904
Chumbuds don't follow other talent because Gura didn't train them to do so.

>>33948904
If you only follow Gura you have 0 reason to even be aware of this stream

>>33948035
>They all say that at the start
I'll keep beleebing in my twitch oshi.

Omegay will see this as people wanting to watch more cross-gender collabs instead of girls only collab, when it actually means, people who want female only are leaving altogether

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-7l0Hb63Y0
give it to me straight, can she break 100 viewers this stream?

I genuinely feel these intros are the dumbest shit EN does. You guys don't have enough members for anyone not to know who the fuck you are

>>33948765
finally, my time spent making sure that the normies see
>holoEN = nijiEN
and
>idol culture = toxic culture
is taking shape
now I just need to push out the remaining unicorns and the nijification of holoen will be complete
I still have to see what to do with Gura

>>33949090
DOWNARD SPIRAL
>DOWNARD SPIRAL
DOWNARD SPIRAL
>DOWNARD SPIRAL
DOWNARD SPIRAL
>DOWNARD SPIRAL

>>33949143
Irys needs the promotion desu

>>33948904
Where's Gura? If it's not obvious when you open the stream you've already lost a potential viewer

>>33949143
is sound check

>>33949090
Omegay is greatest thing that ever happened to Nijisanji

>>33948933
She's on the thumbnail! Barely!
And the homopro twitter account no one follows tweeted it too!

>>33949090
finally, its all coming together

oh funni! kiara did a troll on the first puzzle! this will be a good collab!

>>33948904
>Please Gura SAAAAVE UUUS
Disgusting, the rest of EN shouldn't be that reliant on Gura

>Kronii leaves on her own and fucks everything
Pottery

>>33949277
>kiara did a troll on the first puzzle! this will be a good collab!
kek, I called it! >>33948125

>all these bored "hey"s from kronii
Jesus woman at least be subtle with it

>>33949297
gura is not stupid though, she understand that the only reason amelia had to organize such a big collab after not doing anything for MONTHS is to "make up" for people and "not leave" normalizing anti-idol content

Jesus please fuck off Kronii

>picrel
>not even 20k
14 MILLION DEAD SUBS

>>33949230
She's not even the blue one kek

It's actually been awhile since Gura absolutely did not advertise a collab at all. Like damn, I expected a retweet

>>33949608
>open stream
>don't see Gura
>close stream

Oh this stream is gonna be a disaster.

>>33949608
>Sana
Anon...?

>>33949649
why? for damage control collab? nah fuck management

>All these Mori tier nitpicks on Kronii
People suddenly don't find Kronii's killjoy debby downer antics endearing, what a surprise

>>33949428
>>33949459
>>33949277
kek, today’s collab will be the last straw for a lot of people in the western audience which will bow out of the hobby entirely and go back to anime and vidya.

The industry is one “Zero Two” tier of waifu to collapse entirely in the west

>vtuber collab
>no vtuber icons on screen
>but they did introduce themselves as if it was a tourist friendly stream
???

>>33949738
>muh management
Bro, Gura hasn't streamed in ages. The point is so people can watch Gura instead of thinking she's fucking off doing nothing again

>>33949649
>It's actually been awhile since Gura absolutely did not advertise a collab at all. Like damn, I expected a retweet
My rrat is that she's genuinely annoyed by the homo collab spam and the girls disregard towards the culture that got them the success they couldn't get on their own.

>>33949649
Why should she? Just listen to them, even Kiara can't fill in the dead air

this has slippage chance for the cripple tally, I wonder what will the cope be
>it's on amelia channel!
>gura didn't advertised it properly!
>its saturday and everyone is resting!
>its school season, they are busy!
>its 90F outside!
>ze cull

>>33949820
yeah, how about you watch one of the 3 public streams she has this month?

>>33949800
>watching gura
with this shit muh creatividad models, yeah good luck

>HoloEN collab
>19k
>HoloEN collab with males
>31k
Really makes you think

>>33949907
>31k
???

>>33949820
>rrat
>when she updated her twitter bio to picrel when tempus debuted

>33949907
>31k
what did she mean by this?

How much did council pico got a year ago?

Sub-20kers btfo, though this would easily be 25 by now with a Gura retweet

>>33949944
>combined ccv

>>33949886
>this has slippage chance for the cripple tally
??
To what?

20k for ALL GIRLS
And it's even on Ame's pathetic channel!
Get a clue, Omegay.

>>33949944
Combined CCV cope.

>>33949757
Because we now have something to compare her usual shit with. Mori with TT and now Kronii with Tempus.

>blaming Tempus for HoloENs shit performance again
Man you faggots are a bunch of crybabies.

>>33949886
Mumei will get the gold

easy 20k

Gura could boot up Minecraft and do better than this

>Combined ccv
>Can't fucking count

>>33950025
yes! make gura collab with the males!
that's guaranteed to get numbers since thats the meta

>>33950007
Why are homofags such nijiniggers? Its been clear for years that YT does not always remove your view if you're multi stream drifting. God knows how that shit works.

>>33950001

>>33949907
real fans left, only Reddit tourists are left
that's why individual ccv's are crashing

>>33947702
Good owl finished her uni hw early

and suddenly the homobeggar lmao

>>33950071
not only that but she could do it right now in the middle of the ongoing collab and achieve it

>>33950061
Actually you're right... goddamn these deadpan voices of theirs, at least Mori's kinda endearing

>>33949886
Let me get this party started

WHO WOULD WIN THIS FIGHT FOR WESTERN VTUBING SUPREMACY

>THE TOP VTUBER GROUP IN THE WEST WITH A COMBINED TOTAL OF 14 MILLION SUBS
>one humble brit coomer boy doing a run of the mill gimmicks free gay baiting stream to his fujos

THE ANSWER WILL SHOCK AND UNSHARK YOU!

rrat: mori wants to finish this kusoge quickly so she can get back to srs bsns
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1573739469177397248

>>33950063
fuck off Homobeggar

>Sylvie only has 300 ARS amazon gift cards left
>bait is more stale than usual

Urban dictionary collab got 21.7k with only 4 girls
This is currently on track to do only slightly better than that, but with 8 girls
What went wrong?

>>33947702
She wants to watch Koyori playing Ghosts 'n Goblins

>The GIRLS are getting BAD NOOMBERS because the BOYS are driving PEOPLE AWAY
>Collab with 1 single boy in it manages to casually get 17k
>full HoloEN collab barely gets 2k more
It's time to accept who really runs the show here. You lost unicorns, get the absolute fuck over it.

the absolute last delta iv launch
can't even break 40k
ulakeks...

>>33950217
mumei and gura's room review got like 27k with only 2 girls
what gives

so whats the cope now? it's a
>single POV
>saturday
>not in the morning
>almost every holoen member
>NOT A SINGLE OVERLAPPING STREAM

>>33950217
>>33950124
so bae ch > ame ch

*yawn* this homobeggar is too obvious

>>33950192
>finish
If they did that this stream would last until tomorrow.

>>33950217
myth

>>33949757
I never found them endearing.

>>33950217
Mori is numbers poison
Ame channel is numbers poison

>>33950283
>uhhhh xqc is overlapping them also more cull just flew over my house.

>>33950319
i legit can't find a good argument against them tho...

>>33950283
Anon, its eeeeeasy
the answer is MALES
they need them, everyone outside here likes them now

>>33950217
Advertising, content type and timeslot. These are ALWAYS the answers, why do you people keep asking?

>Homobeggar can't count
Wait Homobeggar is Nijifag?

>>33950283
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BUT T-THE H-HOLOLIVE A-AUDIENCE WATCH IT B-B-BECAUSE O-OF CUTE GIRLS D-DOING CUTE GIRLS NOT BECAUSE OF ENTERTAINMENT

>>33950283
College football season

>>33950192
kek, quite the contrary, she’ll pick up Live a Live 2 and Va22Halla because she needs to take it more easy

>>33950395
why do you even need one to reply to bait?

>>33950440
nice, added to the list

>>33950217
number poison: Mori, Kronii, Ame

>>33950406
Cause they don't actually want answers, they just want to spam "EN dying" over and over.

>>33950440
sure anon, the fucking weebs that like to pretend that underage anime girls are their gfs sure do enjoy watching the game

>>33950061
Exactly. This is why Kronii was fucking stupid to drop the mask with her homo collabs because it gave people something to compare her usual behavior with. Now we know what she's like when she doesn't want to be there compared to when she does.

Homofags are getting retarded beyond belief. Is it just nijiniggers picking up their torches or do they just not understand that tourists watching new toys give them a small boost to some whopping 15k ccv stream areas?

>>33950512
IRyS as well

>ame debuff
>mori debuff
>chimken debuff
>irys debuff
>surprised it's sub 20k

>>33950345
Is just Time zone hours for kiara retardchama

>>33950283
it's not on Gura's channel, chumpedos only watch Gura solo content, checkmate

>>33950584
>Is it just nijiniggers
Yes.

>>33949759
I mean
Anime Fall season is packed with tons of normalfag animes so I would not be surprised if the western vtuber audience decreased by November.

>>33950584
and you are losing unicuck
males are ok now, get comfy because the next thing is nijien collabs

>>33950597
>surprised it's sub 20k
what did she mean by this?

Are ensharts this retarded, or are they going to start to blame everything on homobeggars?

>>33950597
>Ignoring time euro time zone -> always debuff
Why not put your comment is debuff and just kys already

>>33950197
Where's the begging?

>>33950283
20-25k was everyone's ballpark answer though? I don't really get the fuss. This is exactly what everyone fucking expected, Gura barely got 30k for her gigacollab. The numbers seem to be 14-17k for homo collabs, 20-25k for girl collabs (25-30 if on Guras channel), and 30-45k for anniversaries and holiday events.

>>33950597
oh the cope on this one

# answer me honestly what is the actual cause of decline? Males or low content output.

Which is worse, an EN collab on Watson's channel or a jp collab on Haachama's channel?

22k!!!
GIRLS ARE WINNING
GRADUATE TEMPISS

>>33950726
>deflecting away from Homos
nice try

>>33950747
Both.

>>33950676
They are just nijinnigers screaming and using homos against holos now but still losing as always.

>>33950666
>>33950584
S O O N
it will be EPIC and WHOLESOME

List of Chud cope:
>I-It's the novelty!
>J-just wait a month or two!
>It was mostly greys on the chat, t-trust me!
>it's a s-slow decline..
>D-drama b-buff!
>collabs do well, but solo content will tank trust me!
>t-they don't d-donate!
>the s-silent core audience is leaving...
>B-But twitter l-likes..!

>>33950755
Haachama's, if it's not her schizo arcs, her channel is basically dead

>>33950747
The one singular answer is: lack of creative streams
Doesn't matter how entertaining you are, doing the exact same content every single day gets stale.

>>33950747
Both is the real answer. Anyone saying one or the other has an agenda.

>>33950747
Look up the chart and tell me what happened around when numbers started dropping

>>33950747
Yes for both.

>>33950747
Males cause it only affects some of the girls

>>33950745
>14-17k for homo collabs
For big or new homo collabs. See what happens when you start actually making them a normal thing, like with Kobo.

This is what was happening for first time Myth/Council collabs too. The "ooh how do these two interact" factor. Do I really have to explain this or are we just all larping it doesn't happen every time, including in JP?

>>33950747
>low content output
Dead hours has always been and will always be the main killer of EN.

That and the lack of non-streaming content is also a killer.

>>33950217
>What went wrong?
no gura retweet

>>33950825
is Omega finally letting his/her toys play with Nijis?

>>33950638
Nah, if the season with AoT and Demon Slayer didn’t manage it won’t be a good season that will.
I’m saying the opposite: a crappy season as usual but with some seasonal waifu like Zero Two could easily be it.
Maybe even a new couple of Azur Lane ships

>>33950747
Gradual culling due to a series of dramas starting way back in Fall 2020, overseas audience peaked then and has been sectioned off into shrinker portions ever since due to vtubing being a niche market so there isn't an replacement of inflow to bring in new fans fast enough to replace the ones leaving.

>>33950747
look at the dates when it started
you know what happend then

>>33950745
>Gura barely got 30k for her gigacollab
Got above 30k and with problems twice. Anyone were expecting the second would get less

>>33950825
Seems like they are testing a server for all of them to play in, may be they start with Bae/Mori/Ame/Kronii and then they sneakily they invite nijiEN

If Vesper was in this it would be 30k already

>Everyone guesses between 20-25k
>Streams hit that within 30 minutes
>Doom posting ensues anyway.

>>33950756
it will gradually go up for 2-3 hours if they went that long.

>>33949886
>no tempus

>>33950755
Ame's
Haachama can reach these numbers with polka playing clubhouse 51 outside of prime time, if you put people that are somewhat equivalent to the ENs in this collab, that stream on haachama's channel would easily get 70-80k

Why are we shit talking these numbers again? Did people really expected some insane 40k or something like that?

DREAM OF NIJISANJIFICATION
DREAM OF NIJISANJIFICATION

It'd be more entertaining if I actually believed there were any good faith poster going around sperging about unicucks or unironically using the term "chud". Like with nijiniggers there are actually people mad at holofags and vice versa. /mans/ doesn't behave that way or use that language so its just pure falseflagging anyone can see a mile away.

>>33950781
I just want to know where's the begging in this post >>33950063

>>33950951
Tempiss did NOT cause the decline

>>33950951
still waiting for your b-b-buts

>h-heh ... we knew this was a sub 30k stream from the start!

>>33951029
why are you deflecting from the Homos and trying to keep them out of the argument as reason for the decline?

>>33950975
Nijinnigers always with their small dog syndrome

>>33950975
You do realize that the fact our predictions were right is not a good thing, right?

>>33951053
Sounds like what Salome posters would say.

>>33950951
>we got the 12k median floor!
>we got the 11k median floor!
>we got the 10k median floor!
>we got the 9k median floor!
>we got the 8k median floor!

stfu cabrón

>>33950951
it was actually tempus?
based

>>33950745
Last year we had 110k people watching HoloEN among us collab now they can't even hit 50k with 8 people. Don't you see how our expectations for them has fallen continuesly throughout the year

A last alliance of men and fluids marched against the armies of unicorns, and on the very slopes of Hololive, they fought for the freedom of whores. Victory was near, but the power of Gura's numbers could not be undone...

>>33950747
HoloEN is nothing but bunch of streamers with anime avatars, there's no journey to cheer on them during or interesting plans for future
There's reason Aki grinding Splatoon is getting better numbers than them, none of EN are challenging themselves

>>33951096
fucking Cover debuting StarsEN0 last year causing EN to suffer the same -2000 - 2500 they did this year

>>33950889
Which is what piss me off the most about the whole homo shit. Even with 11 members there are still a lot of 1-on-1 collab that have never been done or rarely. Shit the last Fauna/Kronii was a year ago

>>33951133
>our
if you say so nijinigger

is Gura muted or what?

>>33950961
That is unironically true. Just for the shock factor. Like why is this old ass grandpa randomly in this pico pico park collab

>>33950833
Wrong.

>>33950975
those predictions were doomposting anon
>>33950747
covid ended
also girls are bad at managing ads

>>33951204
shy dumb shark

>>33950961
>>33951208
t. omegalul cope

>>33951155
How can this be possible if Tempus just started collabing with HoloEN a month ago

>>33951155
>combined ccv for so many POVs
>first full branch collab <---biggest factor
>vastly more popular content
This threads hates context with such a passion its unreal.

>>33951036
left recovered and stabilized with upward trend at 9k
right keeps crashing DESPITE a brand new English Branch

>>33951007
Nijinnigers don't talk, just like shitposting and screaming like always

>>33950747
Low content has always been a problem, but it's one they endured. Adding males on top might push things over the edge though. Especially since that they add to the low content problem for people that dislike male collabs, since even a single stream makes up a major chunk of the average EN's week.
They shouldn't be having a major effect yet though.

>>33951199
You literally just said that everyone predicted it was a 20-25k stream, what the fuck?

>>33951155
>110k people watching HoloEN among us collab
If we're adding up POVs, the worms collab literally just got 29k last night.

>>33950975
Everyone guessed 20-25k with logical reasons that no one refuted.

I would actually fear for the safety of this board if Gura collabed with a male.

>>33950951
If I had to guess
>1st recline: end of covid and casuals stop watching
>2nd recline: Post Coco graduation, the good feels month is over and those voting with their feet regarding Cover-Coco snafu depart
>3rd recline: I'm honestly at a loss, what happened in November 2021?
>4th recline: I'd like to say Mori + Rushia but that happened a couple months prior
>5th recline: Tempus?