/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>33850218
The waifu era is ending, my dear boy. Normals have found out about it and taking it by FORCE. All the HoloENs are there for the simple action of taking your money ever since they found out that it was more financially sound than just being a twitch whore. None of them care. At least the JPs and Gura pretend to. It's all a job to them.

You too will figure it out yourself as time goes on. When Tempus and their sisters win this culture war and Gura finally enters their collabs. Only then, will you have permission to kneel.

>>33850218
That doesn't even exist in the first place though?

I suppose if you let 4chan do your thinking for you it could seem like that.

>>33850218
Gee I wonder who's to blame

>>33850218
the anon here has a point >>33850490 only this board is thinking that.

>>33850218
>Hololive
>Unity
Never existed among the girls. Not in EN and not even in JP. Women will be women no matter how much you pay them.

This is what happens when you experience hololive through /vt/ and twitter.

>>33850395
You can’t give up yet, the war only ends when everyone on our side stops fighting, we just won irys over to our side, I don’t think kronii and ame are too far gone either, they can still be brought over to our side

the JPs are fine I guess it's just EN

>>33850218
A house divided cannot stand.

>>33850641
Which side is that?

>>33850218
You people either have autism, borderline personality disorder, or both. God have mercy on your souls

>>33850641
for fuck's sake, enjoy the streams... war between the homofags and idolfags won't change anything and I mean it in the literal sense

only EN side. ID and JP literrally went to disney.

>>33850742
The side that doesn’t do Male collabs… people will say irys didn’t say she wouldn’t do it… but if you watch the video she came about as close to saying that as she could, saying she just wanted to collab with people she already knows

>>33850395
Is that why Mori has been steadily declining since trash taste?

Unity has always been a forced meme.

>>33850819
That’s cap… irys already came out and joined our side… this is absolutely making a difference, if nobody cares about male collabs then everyone would probably be doing it by now… we’re the only reason it hasn’t gotten that bad yet

>>33850218
its funny, 3 months ago, anyone questioning unity (supporting everyone in EN) would be called nijifag. Now if you are pro-unity, you are a nijifag. Its like we all woke up in a mirror dimension.

>>33850395
>>33850545
>>33850641
>>33850742
You see this is what I'm talking about, you are part of the problem. Stop trying to divide us, we shouldn't be picking sides and fighting one another when we're family...

>>33850976
It's what happens when something becomes popular and the cancer that is normalfags appear.

>>33851072
This actually triggers me holy shit

>>33850218

>>33850395
Doomking
>>33850641
Hopechad

>>33851225
Why? Idol culture is really toxic. Vtubers shouldn't act like idols, they're streamers first and foremost.

>>33851328
Someone put kronii's and irys's faces there please kek

>>33851380
Quit using your phone in class, it's gonna get taken away.

>>33851445
Can you argue that idol culture isn't toxic?

>>33851225
Remember. They're a rot that destroys everything they touch. Remember gaming in the 90s and 2000s? They ruined it. By consooooming microtransactions. And now its a blown out over saturated corpse that regularly produces mediocrity. They're here to do the same, just as they've always done.
>>33851380
Ah, here's one of them right now. Notice how this faggot who created nothing imposes himself as if he should have a say.
>company finds success doing something niche
>nooooooo, they should do what I want them toooooo, even though nothing I put in created it to begin with!

>>33851512
You're posting on 4chan about toxic culture, you are a tourist and nobody wants you here.

>>33850395
edelgard... why are you saying this to me...

>>33850218
hololive, the real one, is fine. I don't give a fuck about ID anymore and only watch two ENs outside of JPs nowadays.

>>33850641
You cant win because you people are sperg that dont even know who you are up against. For example, did whole thing is political? Did you know that, most likely not, you didnt. You dont even why it wold be political, then how can you argue against them. The people here think this is some random twitter/reddit people, no its the type of woke western demographics that have been worming themselves into other areas like videogames. I can bet you right now twitter trannies are seeing how they can get jobs at Cover or how to influence them.

>>33851576
If it's all about success then they should abandon their idol "roots" since most of the fanbase clearly don't want that anymore. I still haven't seem a single argument showing how idol culture isn't toxic.

>>33851714
Holy sea

>>33851754
>since most of the fanbase clearly don't want that anymore.
Top kek. You couldn't be more retarded or wrong if you were. Mori's been reclining since trash taste retard. The thing about you normalfag garbage, is you're not actually fans. You're just here to own da incels durrrrr. You stick around to do that for your little faggy culture wars, and then fuck off later. So what ends up happening is a spike of views and twitter likes, followed by a slow decline.

>>33851696
I've been on 4chan since 2013, just because I'm not a drone brainwashed by /pol/-like discourse doesn't mean I don't belong here, in fact it's retards like you who should leave.

>>33851754
You're probably baiting but I'll bite. The phrase idol culture is a thought terminating cliche that makes no sense in the context of vtubers. The actual things wrong with idol culture are casting couches and idols getting murdered by fans. Hololive is nothing like that.
Besides that, hololive started because sora legitimately wanted to be an idol. If you don't think the hologirls should be idols, I'd take it up with her faggot. Go ahead. Send her a supa about how toxic she is

>>33851705
Just by putting a separation between branches you're proving that no Hololove is not ok.

>>33851754
>most
JPs are doubling down their idol path, spamming 3D concerts every week and they're getting more viewers. While EN's numbers is dwindling.

>>33850961
>That’s cap… irys already came out and joined our side… this is absolutely making a difference
only this entire damn board is thinking about this, all you're doing is causing the girls trouble outside of this place by baiting tourists

>>33852044
EN and ID isn't hololive. JP literally classified EN as special guest during their 3D swimsuit concert.

Gura should kill all the homo whores

>>33851955
Mori has been reclining since Trash Taste? How come she got a contract from Universal Studios Japan and is the third highest subbed Hologirl? Something's not adding up.
>You stick around to do that for your little faggy culture wars
Sure sounds like the opposite, you people come from /pol/ and other retarded boards just to shit up this board and create division between the actual fans. You must lack a lot of self-awareness to consider yourself a fan when people like you make dozens of threads everyday trolling and harrassing the girls.

>>33852255
>playing victim
nta but you should kill yourself.

>>33852255
I don't know if you're a cuckbeat or not, but you do realize she has the most dead subs of all of EN right? She gets less views than the rest of them. No one here is being polemical enough to actually be reasonably compared to /pol/. Just because people here reference a culture war doesn't mean they're anywhere in the same ideaspace. You're being a disingenuous deceitful little bitch by acting like anyone who disagrees with you is a /pol/tard

>>33852159
I'm sure if you asked anyone inside Hololive if EN and ID are Hololive every single one of them would say yes.

>>33850395
What an insufferable tranny. This unicorn will die his fucking hill. Fending off the barbarian hordes you faggots will bring. It will be fucking glorious.

There is literally no "culture war" going on in HoloMyth. That shit only exists here, and even that is forced as fuck. I can't put it any simpler.

>>33852255
Wow, you really are goalpost moving motherfucker. She joined hololive distinctly to shill her music. Where do you even make that connection that her streaming recline has anything to do with her music deal? And no, we don't come from /pol/. We just know how this started. And you wanna know what else? collab beggars, and homobeggars are pretty fucking hated, even by other normies.
>You must lack a lot of self-awareness to consider yourself a fan when people like you make dozens of threads everyday trolling and harrassing the girls.
And there we have the newfag in his entirety. What the chinks did to haachama and coco was targeted harassment. A few threads on a mongolian basket weaving forum, or 1 or 2 comments, or superchats, is an insult to what those two girls dealt with by actual schizos.
As anon said. You should kill yourself.

>>33852571
There kind of obviously is. Even greys and redditors picked up on it. They're not gonna portray it as a strife thing, but yes when even Reddit is talking about collab begging and Resetera is talking about winning over IRyS then there is a culture war going on and this isn't the only place involved. HoloEN is defining what kind of branch it is.

>>33852657
Does IWyS seriously drink Barqs over Mugs? My basic bitch nephilim wife...

they've had a year or two to get to know each other
I feel like they gave it a shot but most of them just dont like each other.
and I don't mean a dramawhoring "they HATE each other" or anything.
they are just different people who like and want different things who were kinda thrown together randomly

>>33852571
Sure thing champ, their mod allowed thread about Kronii's tweet and deleted this.

>>33852759
I wonder if just by having a third gen EN can start to look more like JP because more people means more chances for like minded individuals to form connections.

>>33850395
>blaming normies for ruining my HOBBY!

Fuck off, Vtubing started out just for fun. Then you freaks came in and made everything about your pretend GFs. Even /v/irgins laugh at /vt/. You're the ones ruining vtubing. Unicuck killing is the chemo we need.

>>33850218
t. retard who hasn't worked a single day in his life and thus doesn't know what "workplace unity" with women is like

>>33852377
>She gets less views than the rest of them.
Again, something's not adding up here. Maybe learn some mathematics before posting about numbers again?
>You're being a disingenuous deceitful little bitch by acting like anyone who disagrees with you is a /pol/tard
I'm not the one acting like that, you're the one acting like anyone who doesn't support idol culture shouldn't be welcome in Hololive. It gives me comfort to know people like you are the minority in the fanbase nowadays though.

>>33851051
But there are people trying to actively ruin this hobby all by themselves. It doesn’t go away just because you don’t acknowledge it. If you stick your head in the sand you’ll eventually find yourself in an alien environment and don’t even know how and why it came to be this way.

In short, don’t give up and fight for what you believe

>>33852689
>>33852788
I fail to see where "war" is. I'll concede and say that fans are probably at odds with one another in other places than just here. But the vtubers themselves just want to get on with it and do what they want to do. Which is all people should care about really.

>>33853098
I mean all I can say is do your reps on membership streams and listen to them talk about management

>>33853033
Where's the girl on your picture now? Dead. Pandering to normalfags is the shittiest thing to do.

>holo = family
>niji = co-workers

This was my impression back then before NijiEN

Watch NijiEN, sublime chemistry, not even shilling them, see for yourself

>>33853081
you're replying to a sjw redditor, that's just one of their tactics to beat you down

>>33853048
>posts music and anniversary
>doesn't mention ccvs
You can keep saying all you want. Doesn't make it true retard.

>>33850395
Normalfags ruin literally everything

>>33850218
>To me one of the greatest strenghts of Hololive over other companies was the family vibes that they gave.
This never actually existed, even in JP branch there are Holos that only stay within their inner friend circle and only interacted with other co-workers when the job required them to do so. What Hololive has over other companies is that these co-workers can actually get along well with each other at the very least, unlike in Niji where you have talents suing each other.

>>33853307
nijiEN is more like a co-ordinated discord activist group who all share the same views

>>33853048
Nta but you’re the one who said that idol culture is *really* toxic and you don’t believe that it could be not toxic. People disagreeing with you doesn’t mean that they’re saying you have to like idols. Can you only think in extremes?

>>33853249
She's dead because of mismanagement, anyone that isn't a newfag knows this.

BTW Kronii seems to be doing just fine without you freaks.

>>33853342
Holy schizo. No, it isn't.
These:
>>33853098
>>33853033
>>33852571
>>33852255

are.
And you are probably from the drama faction.

>>33853389
if holojp was like holoen people would be screaming at Kanata/Luna/Watame/Towa to collab instead of happily doing their own things

>>33853048
You do realize I was talking about CCVs, right? How about responding to my point about how you're actually literally incorrect about what idol culture is? How about responding to my point about you being in active disagreement with the entire JP Branch and Sora? Are you at least going to be honest enough to admit that you disagree with Sora? I might give you a shred of respect if you do.
And I never said shit about you being welcome or not welcome. Instead I just pointed out how you're arguing in bad faith and called you a faggot for good measure. If you're not willing to openly acknowledge that a. JP Branch is the main branch and b. the JP girls genuinely want to be idols, then we can safely assume you're just actively lying when you post

>>33853033
/v/ hates ecelebshit no matter what dimension it's in, retard.
>blaming viewers when it's the girls who have agreed to market themselves as idols over the past 3 years
You're an idiot.

>>33853516
>BTW Kronii seems to be doing just fine without you freaks.
kek, check back in 6 months time, cancer. It doesn't happen overnight. You fags will do what you do. Pop up to own da incels duuur, you will get bored, as you're trend seeking nigglets and look for the next thing, and kronii like mori will recline. We know your playbook long before you do, termite.

>>33853381
>>33853033
Fuck off unicuck.

>>33853558
>You do realize I was talking about CCVs, right?
No, you VERY clearly were not. Disregarded.
not in this thread, made u look lol

>>33853516
>She's dead because of mismanagement
Go watch her reincarnation fag, before your queen dies for the second time. And I'm not a clockfag.

>>33853516
You’re posting a page of about 20 superchats given to kronii. What the fuck is that supposed to prove?

>>33853516
she died because you normalfags screamed she should be allowed to date whoever she wants and claimed everyone who said the guy was a scumbag was a unicorn. he got her pregnant, cheated on her and dumped her and you faggots will never accept the blame

>>33853690
Wait what? I didn't realize all that crazy shit happened.

>>33853637
based anti-unicorn chad

>>33850395
>Normies
Nah it was freaks like you who are so desperate for any attention from a women. You unicorn fags gave these whores the idea of GFE and then bitch and complain when they give someone their actually interested in more attention

>>33851072
The cancer that is unicornfags appeared

>>33853763
I'm not sure if you're the same person as the "idol culture bad" poster. But you seem really SEA and I'm pretty sure you're just baiting (yous). The other guy seems genuine which is why I'm actually engaging him.

>all these beggars still trying to force the CGDCT = GFE narrative
Reminder that these people do not even watch streams and are only posting here because their tranny discord told them to.

>>33853634
>>33853625
>>33853529
J-Just wait, you'll see!! She'll regret it once she loses me as her BF!!!

>>33853625
"Hai domo, virtual Idol Kizuna AI desu"
>IDOL MEANS SHES MUH GF NOW!!!!

Holy fuck, KYS. you're really trying to take the high ground when all you do is bitch and whine and cry about your GF talking to a *male. Fuck. Just don't watch. Just get a real life. Just rope yourself. Or at the very least, fucking leave already like you keep saying you will.

>>33851225
Why does it trigger you? Are you the kind of lonely faggot that enables this behavior ? You probably would want one of the girls to graduate if they ever talked to a male before

EN had unity? Could have fooled me.

>>33853637
Normalfags are cancerous niggers for everything they get involved in, the minute "western vtubers" became a thing is when it all went to shit

>>33853679
>Go watch her reincarnation fag
Nozomi has reincarnated?

>>33853925
What kind of behavior are you even talking about? The screenshot doesn't have anything to do with the male collab shit. It's literally just normies hating even the idea of "idols" not realizing that Hololive being an aspirational idol agency while being a little tongue in cheek isn't some ironic pursuit. These girls actually want to be idols. Seeing people treat it as a joke as well as a negative thing is chafing, and an insult to the girls.

>>33852159
You are literally retarded, holy fuck I didn’t think I’ve ever see someone so stupid

>>33853988
>>33853847

Whine and cry more. All you do is seethe and create drama.

>N-NO I'm not mad, its the normalfags fault
LMAO

>>33853558
>You do realize I was talking about CCVs, right?
Now you're moving goalposts, but alright. Go on and tell my why CCVs should matter more than VODs.
>How about responding to my point about how you're actually literally incorrect about what idol culture is?
You're trying to argue semantics here, no one is against the good aspects of idol culture, we're against the toxicity, but you already knew that, you just wanted your dopamine rush from some sort of "GOTCHAS!!1!1!" moment.
>How about responding to my point about you being in active disagreement with the entire JP Branch and Sora?
I don't need to do that, Irys can do that for me: https://youtu.be/MR4O4MunCqM
Also funny how you're trying to claim the entire JP branch thinks like that when that's clearly not true.
>Are you at least going to be honest enough to admit that you disagree with Sora?
Not even Sora herself has a problem with male collabs and such, you're so fucking dishonest. No one wants the good parts of idol culture to end.
>Instead I just pointed out how you're arguing in bad faith
Now this is funny, you're using Sora and the JP branch as a shield to justify your bullshit and I'm arguing in bad faith? I'm looking foward to seeing how you'll spin my arguments next.

>>33850218
You can blame Mori for this.

>>33853925
It’s probably triggering because watching people talk about how they want to ruin your hobby doesn’t exactly make others happy. Just my guess though.

>>33853910
Damn, watching vtubers has obviously impacted your mental healh.
I advise you to take a break from the internet and vtubing all together.

I will continue to piss off collabbeggars and root for my pure oshi in the meantime.

>>33854124
I mean, idk if you're that person but I am actually engaging you in good faith even though it's becoming clearer you're probably a nijicuck being paid with giftcards. I feel like a retard for even trying.

>>33853925
That youtube discussion had nothing to do with males, wtf are you talking about

>>33852255
They hated him because he spoke the truth

>>33854131
Anon, I'm not a collabbeggar. I don't want Tempiss. I don't give a fuck about any of them or even know their names. and I still watch EN. its not hard.

>>33853763
Last time I checked it's you guys defending the honor of whores like you're hoping to score.
You are the kind of trainwreck that would fall in love with a prostitute.

>>33854028
Looks like she nuked it again, only cover left.

>>33853750
yeah it's really sad, that's how I realized back then that these people dont actually care about the chuubas at all, they're just something to be used to satisfy their twitter crusades

>>33853910
>preferring the idol dynamic means you think every girl is your GF
It's funny because a very small minority of the girls actually do true GFE, yet they still avoid guys for their own personal reasons.
Not that a disingenuous ESL cunt like yourself actually cares about the nuance, since we all know you're only here to scream at the """""incel""""" boogymen you've made up in your head for the quick dopamine hit that comes from your false sense of superiority.
>get a real life
KEK, the irony.

>>33854125
>no one is against the good aspects of idol culture, we’re against the toxicity!
Ok? >>33851380
You’re trying to destroy idol culture as a whole, but since you actually got nothing bad to say against idols like Sora, you resort to this, which effectively means tearing down idol culture anyway.

>>33852571
Yeah it’s funny because this place is the minority of the opinion, they girls don’t give a fuck what this place thinks and it’s all schizo shit. If you look at Twitter or Reddit you see none of the bitching these weirdos are doing constantly

>>33854124
Yes it's their fault, anything they get involved in goes to shit
That's just facts

>>33854263
Your complacency will breed a environment where girls who simply do not want to collab with males get harassed and cancelled for perpetuating patriarchy.

>>33854125
You piece of shit. You're bringing male collab words into my mouth when that was never what I was arguing with you. And yes, the semantics here fucking matters because the phrase idol culture is a loaded term. It's a rhetorical piece you've been using over and over. Without it, the burden of proof is on you to say why idol culture is toxic instead of just letting the phrase speak and argue for you. Goddamn. I really hate smarmy little fucks like you.
The rest of your post is pretty much meaningless because I wasn't talking about male collabs. Though I'll take a moment to point out that you the CCV thing only matters because you were talking about popularity as if there were some mandate on "idol culture." But... there isn't. The mandate clearly speaks in the other direction. The JP branch is bigger, and the JP branch abides by what you seem to deem "idol culture." If you act like Mori is bigger than Pekora or... really 80 percent of the JP branch... then well there's really nothing more to say. You're just a lying faggot at this point

>>33854439
>>33854433

ugh can you fleshgolems just finally die already?
Take your meds, roasties.

>>33854373
>OP the waifu era is ending
>ME Pointing out that Unicucks are ruining Vtubing.
>Changes goalpost to say that I'm against Idolfags
>N-NO you're the one being disingenuous!

Fuck off. Whos the one self-inserting themselves to get a dopamine kick again?

>>33854433
I mean even Reddit at this point is against collab begging. And Reddit is heavily moderated to be forced positive as possible. If there really wasn't a "culture war" you wouldn't even be here arguing about this. You'd just ignore a containment thread like this.

>>33854618
Nigger

>>33854652
Yes, because what are unicorns in favor of? Idols. Is it really goal post moving to say you’re talking about hating idol culture by being against unicorns? And since you seem to be against that anyway why are you even pissed?

>>33854503
Alright then, I'm glad we reached an agreement. So it's decided that:
A. The good parts of idol culture such as the concerts are fine
B. The toxic parts of idol culture such as being anti-male collabs are trash and should go
I'm glad you were reasonable in the end, but try to work on your anger issues.

Some EN & ID went to disneysea yesterday. They exchanged gift, too. I hope the talents keep this up, it warms my heart ngl.

>>33854433
If no one cares about what this place thinks then why do people constantly talk about /here/posting as if it's harassment? The two ideas are mutually exclusive. Either this place matters or it doesn't. Which, frankly, it probably doesn't and containment posting isn't harassment. Which throws like 99 percent of all "unicorns are ruining vtubing" arguments out the window, when they were already on shaky ground by equivocating everyone who isn't 100 percent forced positive with EN as being a unicorn. Almost every single stream the girls see is extremely positive no matter what they do. You can't act like the unicorns are looming over them and wriggling under their feet at the same time. It makes no sense.

>>33854838
Why do you keep bringing back male collabs like your life depends on it? Is it impossible for you to ignore? Do you have a point you want to prove? No one else was initiating this

>>33850218
>one of the greatest strenghts of Hololive over other companies was the family vibes that they gave
Huh? Hasn't that always been Nijisanji's strength? Hololive's strength is hiring talented people. In Nijisanji the individual people are less talented, but have great relationships with each other.

>>33855060
This has to be a joke, Nijisanji members have great relationships with another? Which Nijisanji have you been watching?

>>33854977
Being anti-male collabs is one of the parts of idol culture that's toxic. It's really not that hard to understand.

>>33854838
I think the agreement we reached is that you're a dishonest piece of shit that was just as engaged in the argument. Your irony is never going to help you in your life dude. Your friends are going to always be fairweather, and you're always gonna be stuck in the middle of any career you pursue. You've got zero integrity but you also lack the backbone to actively step on toes so you're always gonna be pulled on by some dumb moral vogue that pops up in front of you.
Anyway, I'm done. Try not to drown in your own smarm and smegma

>>33854831
Uhh yeah, did you not just say before that Unicucks and idol fags are different? Are they different or not?

>>33854809
It's okay, just take your SSRIs like a good girl and everything will be nice and dandy again.

>>33855109
Yeah? Pomu, Elira, Millie....etc. have a deep friendship going back for years from their time as small indies together. It literally feels like you're watching old friends (because you are). Most of the people were hired, not for their talent, but because of the relationships they had with other people in Nijisanji. So they have some tight friendships.

Seriously, Lazulight is legendary for their tight bonds. Or look at the bond between Millie and Enna, they might as well be attached at the hip. Or the great friendship between Pomu and Selen, they just streamed in each other's models the other day.

>>33850218
idolfags can live together with the fans of chuubas that are ok with tempus collabs but the contrarian bitch ame made that impossible
by deleting her lore about wanting to be an idol, her messages were clear that she hates hololive and its culture
the worst part? teaniggers always ready for whatever it takes to follow that bitch's steps and practice her optics of things

>>33853690
Kek you sly bastard

>>33854652
>>ME Pointing out that Unicucks are ruining Vtubing.
But they aren't? This is why you're a disingenuous cunt. The amount of true unicorns is nothing compared to the amount of people who just PREFER Hololive's CGDCT image, an image that has been very lucrative for them by the way.
Why is this point so hard for you retards to grasp?

>>33850218
My guy, do you really think random streamers on the internet working for the same company could be a family?
Don't be so retarded

>>33851754
>most
there is even more concert and such, also got big views and still keep inclining

>>33855699
>I disagree with you means I'm disingenuous

Stop moving the goalposts and fuck off already I'm not even talking to you.

>>33856649
nta but you kinda are lol

>>33855115
NTA why you imply something like "anti-collab" is exclusive to idol culture ? do you know celebrity, streamer etc also has this kind of problem ?

>>33855174
I don’t know whether you think that everyone you’re arguing with is the same person but I didn’t say that.

>>33855270
Ok I admit I should’ve been more specific, that was wrong to say. It’s just that with such a large quantity of members of course some are eventually not going to like each other. Or are just not able to acknowledge each other as much. That’s the problem with such a large number of talents.

>>33850218
Not really. But I watch Tempus and JPs mostly. Sorry that myth whores hate each other, anon. You chose poorly.

>>33850395
As a tempus fan. Fuck off.
The reason why the Shark is amazing is because does her own stuff. Let her be doing her own stuff. And in the infinitesimal chance that she decides to collab with them( Because I really believe that would cause more harm than good to my Stupid sons and Uncle, and eveyone else in EN) I hope she doesn't treat her audience like a full retard like Kronii did.

>>33851986
Like, is possible to be an Idol without going full Sankisea, but that puts a level of efford any EN lacks, because it would mean you would have to be hardworker, and have a great personality to do it.

Yep, and guess what caused it? The fucking homo's. Mori is leader and she is shunning any girl who won't collab with the homo's. This is partly why she seems distanced from Gura now. The other reason being Gura calling her pool of peace party stupid. I stand by the pro unicorn faction of Gura, Kiara, Irys, Fauna, Mumei and Ina (for now, eventually I think Ina will collab with the gay blue Korean).

>>33860135
Yeah, Ina is more of a "when" than "if"

>>33854481
>Your complacency blah blah blah

Shut the fuck up, I don't care about your pointless drama.

>>33850218
Stop getting your schizo fantasies validated by equally mentally ill dregs and stop consuming others'. Close the board and take your meds. You aren't completely gone just yet hopefully.

>>33850218
Man, families can drift themselves apart too

>>33852571
Remember when Mori said there is no drama in HoloEN? That means there is on going war

>>33850395
Have a little more faith in the girls, they're not stupid, they're not giving up their idol power as much as roasties would like them to.

>>33850395
>The waifu era is ending
I unironically agree with this. Anime is too popular for the conventional "waifu" to survive. Purity is for virgins and autists. More waifus like that whore from the Dress up anime are inbound.

>>33872827
>More waifus like that whore from the Dress up anime are inbound.
You mean the one that people conclude is a virgin? I don't think you get what a 'whore' is.

>>33873163
>virgin
marin has sucked off half the boys in the academy wdym

>>33850395
true, and the opposing force has been ineffectual at best.

>>33850218
I know you're joking but there are actual manchildren here who believe this shit.

>>33854883
You mean JP and ID

>>33853758
I see this quite a bit and am not I understand it fully. Aren't all redditors like this? At least, I thought that was what the site was like from the bottom up regardless, so it feels like pointing out that they are posting on reddit and then pointing out that they also post those other things is redundant.

>>33850218
They haven't given family vibes since Coco announced her graduation, but HoloX and Tempus have been a breath of fresh air, while half the JP girls feel semi-retired now.

>>33852571
>there is no culture war
YOU ARE HERE
>there is a culture war, but it doesn't matter and is limited to only a few tubers
>there is a culture war and it's a good thing
>we won the culture war

>>33851051
We are a family, and like all families we fight.

>>33853558
With Calli, Irys, and Bae you should look at their VOD numbers really given that they are often streaming when large chunks of the EN audience are sleeping.

>>33850218
This is the moment the cancer was diagnosed. Then it was just a question of how long would HoloEN resist the cancer.

This family unity is still going strong.

>>33850218
Yes and it all started when Tempiss showed up. Everyone will come to realize this eventually.

>>33851977
>since 2013
Go back to where you came from newfag

>>33862569
>I don't care about your pointless drama as I keep posting in the drama thread
lol sure bud

It's always fun to see the normalfags expose themselves because they can't help bu use the normalfag version of normalfag.

>>33875797
If was clear the males would become doom bringers, but who would have thought it would happen all so quickly?

>>33876095
>but who would have thought it would happen all so quickly?
Most of the people that have been /here/ for more than 6 months. The amount of astroturfing and raiding hitting this board since tempiss debuted has left it unrecognisable.

>>33875525
This is literally how it always happens.
They know this, but I doubt they are even looking forward to the end result. They just want to rebel against something.
Their true desire, however, is to be freed from their dissonant, miserable existence. They can't deal with the modern world and are shamelessly used and abused by those in power, because they lack defense mechanisms.

I'm not sure how I should feel about the fact my enemies do not have a real cause. They just have a desire to fight and die for something.

>>33876413
Man, this reads depressing. I should've posted an uplifting image with it. There is already enough sadness in the world.

>>33850395
The time when all of holoEN collabs with homos is the time I stop membering any of them and unsubscribe.

EN Gachikoi will migrate to a new agency.

>>33876592
Where's the third panel where she whispers "Improve yourself" into his ear and then leaves to collab with tempiss?

>>33877155
I chose to treasure the good days.
In this comic, Ame is more of a stand-in for whomever is making you feel this way.

>>33851380
I hope she sees this post bro.

>>33876876
It's wiser to move on before this happens. Witnessing the holoEN getting ravaged is a self-torture.

>>33877758
nta. You're right,
but I'm too invested in the shark jp arc to let it go just yet. Hope she's gmi.

>>33875672
It is better for animal.

>>33873564
Maybe in your NTR doujins and fantasies but the source material pretty much confirms she only has eyes for the MC and has never done anything sexual in her life. The author's other series has the MC wanting to fuck his cunny little sister, who is actually more likely to become a whore

>>33850218
Good. The corruption of this niche is a clear sign that those that lament the change simply and utterly failed to protect it. The sooner something dies the sooner something better can take its place. If nothing comes to fill that hole, the niche as a while deserved to stay dead. What's the issue?

>>33876095
It was either going to happen immediately or not at all.

>>33876876
If you were to migrate right now, what company choice do you have in mind?

>>33850545
Ame.

>>33851380
Why is it your place to change the culture of a japanese industry aimed at japanese audiences? fucking americans

>>33850545
If anyone in this thread is unwilling to blame Cover themselves for introducing HoloStars, then at leat blame Coco for opening the doors to HoloEN which led to such a rapid decline

>>33883103
Cover isn't going for the "idol" angle anymore but rather a general entertainment company. And HoloEN aren't Japanese, to expect them to conform to Japanese culture when they don't even live there is retarded

western vtubers should just be in western vtuber corpos and JPs in JP corpos. there's clearly an incompatibility issue here with regards to the company culture. westerners expect to behave and be treated like westerners, and when the YWNBJ sets in they start to push back and it creates problems.

i genuinely thought the vshojo 'talent freedom' thing was a complete joke, but based on what i'm seeing in holoEN, i think they actually understand what western talents/viewers want better than hololive. reacting to youtube videos, collabing with anyone without backlash, freedom to discuss any topics on stream, etc. etc. i think in time holoENs are either going to graduate to go indie/vshojo, or are going to continue pushing changes in hololive that bring it closer to how vshojo operates.

>>33883613
fuck off and use your calarts or pixar avatars then and never touch anime again

>>33850218
*cums on you*

>>33883613
Cover doesn't ENFORCE the Idol angle, but most of the talents are perfectly happy conforming to the concept regardless. This creates an expectation in the audience. If EN didn't want to follow that, they were free to either make their intentions clear immediately, or to go somewhere else entirely.

And you have no place whatsoever in the negotiation between talent and audience.

I mostly watch ID so the feeling is still there.
Not sure how long it will last though since 9 is likely the biggest a group can get while it still feeling like family.
>b..but JP
Lol, Watame is my oshi but yonkisei feels so distant from one another. JP in general is very cliquish which is understandable since they're so big

>>33850218
literally just stop reading /vt/ what you're observing is mostly weird delusions and discord niggers raiding. There's pretty much zero evidence for these rats in the actual streams.
Sad thing is they're not even normies, going on the internet to harrass the fanbases of obscure female content creators on a mongolian basket weaving forum to sate your weird degenerate cuckoldry fetish is not normie behavior. I can smell the scent of hotpockets and moms basement on these people.

>>33850218
snot won

>>33850218
lol. The family thing is just pushed by the company, most of the girls don't actually love each other and care about each other much. Some of the girls don't even talk to each other. The company itself sees the talents as expendable given how they handled Coco and Rushia. You don't just fire your "family" members or push them towards graduating, regardless of how bad they fuck up.

>>33889543
>You don't just fire your "family" members or push them towards graduating, regardless of how bad they fuck up.
Imagine not correcting his family member's behaviour. Good luck with that.