/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

why would they viewbot this one particular holo and no one else
face it, most chumbuds are literal children

Stop questioning it. Or else.

>>3381769
she has normie/lurker appeal unlike the others, a demographic that's far less likely to donate. youre making a non sequitur conclusion based on a single abnormality.

You are unironically a fucking retard

>>3381769
weak rrat

>>3381769
how long was the stream?

>>3381925
Even with the normie/lurker audience you'd think her base fans would catch up and not be literally dead last in terms of donations

>>3381769
Jesus Christ man. Just be happy for Gura. YouTube may have already killed ENs views somewhat as it is. Be happy.

>>3381769
Cumbuds are actually children. Not even joking.

>>3381840
Gura has the most reach thanks to the algorithm favoring her. Cover is buying viewbots for her so that Hololive content keeps going viral, she's basically a stepping stone.

>>3381769
It's a known fact that cumbud discord servers actively bot for Gura. They bot her subs, they also botted her live viewership for her costume reveal for sure. Notice how YouTube purges these bots for the first 5 mins before they go up again? Yeah, fuck Gura and fuck her fanbase.

>>3381769
Sounds like kfp cope.

>>3382049
Stream was 55 mins, made 10k. I think 100k likes just before it ended. 100k LIKES while live

Gura had around 100k likes BEFORE stream ended, in a 55 min stream.

>>3382116
I was thinking the discord servers definitely played a part.

>>3382116
KFPhaggot projecting again.

>>3381769
They grouped the five of them together for a reason. Gura's job isn't to make money off YouTube. She's just supposed to take in views to grow the brand. She's a gateway drug go Mori and Kiara.

>Gura has 2.6 million subscribers, so how did she get 194k live views? She also only had 100k lives when she live.
Huh.

>>3382116
Have you been sleeping for 6 months?

>>3382408
sub bots

>>3382105
meds

>>3382116
Seethe faggot. Seethe

If it wasn't for the YouTube bug, the Pekomama stream would have reached at least 200k.

>>3381769
Holy fucking COPE hahahah
Sorry Gura gets more views than your oshi

>>3383006
And then this one would have reached 400k

>>3383165
Sorry my oshi doubles Gura's revenue with half the views

>>3381769
Don't underestimate the power of the algorithm and children combined.

>>3383237
Gura barely ever reads superchats, she doesnt care about money, she makes more in memberships than anyone makes in donations

>>3383237
Are you forgetting memberships, little Tommy?
Gura has almost 20K members.

>>3383533
>>3383570
Sounds like a cope

Enjoy your sub bots, Chumkeks

>>3382116
Chumbuds win

All of hololive uses sub bots. this youtube glitch you guys always complain about is actually their real numbers without bots

>>3383702
So everyone uses bots then because it's happening with every streamer not just vtubers.

>>3381769
this is true. gura needs to be cancelled.

>>3383570
Only 20k? How cute

>>3381769
>>3382063
Did the medical staff that brought you into this world go out of their way to cause you to be brain damaged? No one could possibly be this retarded, right?

R-right?

>>3383645
Sounds like a newfag. Doesn't even know about her live views on her membership streams.

You seem to be implying a great deal of commercial and technical competence for a company that shit itself in panic when faced with a couple bots from West Taiwanese skitzos

>>3381769
Most of Gura's appeal are underage kids without a job or credit card or *edos. Where as the rest are exclusively watched by Simps and pay Piggus who can't get laid.

>>3381769
All me and my 194,000 smart fridges

>>3382345
You mean Ina and Ame, right?

>>3381769
Yeah the manager and his army of 1M (million) viewbots.

>1 mil views in 3 hours

as if we needed more proof that the Memeshart viewbots kek

Chumkeks be seething now that their modus has been found out

>>3384484
It was me. I'm the owner of a medium size tech manufacturer company that produces computer and other electronic for cheap. We decided to test our shit today specifically and used Gura an experiment, tuning all 174,000 computers to her stream. 20k of those are actual people though. Oh and we're Taiwanese.

>>3384742
>0.1% of Taiwan's population viewbotted for Gura
based island chinks

>>3384611
No. They all have their roles to play, but Mori and Kiara are the big superchat earners.

Although… I say they all have a role, but I'm not actually sure what Ina's is.

Actually, I think Gura attracts a lot of slavs. I see them in chat, there's the cheeki breeki shit she did, and I also see a lot of them in her "sister" Kanna's streams. Slavs don't have money.

>>3381769
>>3382116
>facts
post your proofs faggots

>>3384297
>West Taiwanese
Taiwan isn't a country. Please consider using "chinese" because the Republic of Chia is the actual country, despite what certain elements would like you to believe.

>>3386160
>Republic of Chia
Sorry, I meant to type "Republic of China".

>>3381769
>bots

nah anon theyre kids

>>3383801
She should be cancelled for being a tranny lover desu

>>3384904
Not spoon feeding you newfag

TWAP
SAVE US FROM THESE SHITTY THREADS

>>3383237
Based sheep friend

Absolutely blown away by the amounts of cope gura’s reveal generated. Like ffs I knew some lonely weirdos would throw a fit for no reason but I genuinely had no idea how many of you there were. Major relief that your bloodline ends with you retard.

>>3381769
>Cover
>Doing anything for Gura
Did you not see the atrocious rigging? have you not seen how management fucks up before? Did you miss when they told her not to celebrate 1 million?
If anything cover has been trying to stop Gura's growth.

>>3388192
I have 3 children.

>>3388000
>I have no proof
Ok, faggot.

>>3388000
evidence isn't spoon feeding, faggot.

>>3383237
Dangerously based

>>3381769
Chumbuds are literal 5 year olds. They can't superchat, or even read.

>>3381769
5 years old aren't bot.

This is just niji level tier cope

>>3384726
What's unbelievable that a 2.6 mil sub channel got 1 mil views in 3 hours for a highly anticipated stream?

>it’s another thread made by retards that let Gura live rent free in their head
>the moment you call them out they resort to shit like “cope” or “not spoonfeeding you fag”
Holy shit, Gura Derangement Syndrome is a real thing. Imagine getting this worked up over fucking numbers of all things. You retards are genuinely mentally ill

>>3381769
They are not poor they are just ugly

>>3381769
She dipped out like 5 minutes after the reveal. Usually there are tons of superchats related to the various poses and accessories. She missed out on that.

Imagine getting less superchat on their new outfit reveal than Towa of all people

>>3381769
Yeah she uses view bots and I’m her boyfriend. Now fuck off.

>>3390672
That's pretty funny and cute considering I fuck her cunny every night

>>3381769
>Says Gura is using bots
>Doesn't provide one bit of proof.
>Says calling her child-age fanbase 'poor' isn't a real argument.
>Even though it just is.

Does Gura being more successful than your oshi make you mad OP? Yes. Yes it does.

>>3390765
Gura is(was?) my oshi.

>>3381769
I never donate to any Holo...Maybe I am a bot

>>3381769
update
$16,582 / 55:36

you can continue to seethe

>>3381769
gura doesn't encourage super chats, instead she encourages memberships.
that's why she's got one of the biggest memberships in hololive.

>>3390966
>Gura doesn't need supas because she makes it back in views and memberships.

I'd belieb it

>>3384890
Not a big influence really. For Russians I'd bet on maximum of 5k out of these 190k, but in fact it's probably more like 2-3k.

>>3381769
I actually work for some viewbot services. Most, if not everything that is viewbotted are Indian Music Videos, and some small time rap videos by wannabe rappers or music videos from aspiring musicians. Although I've seen some DIY channels, there aren't really VTuber videos in our services. For context and since I'm sure my identity won't be discovered, I work for Engaged Hits, and two other viewbotting services that I can't really share the name of due to reasons that I can be potentially identified.

Although, that doesn't disprove the possibility of Cover utilizing view bots, I can input some info on how a viewbot is counted as a view. For one, Youtube detects clicks made on the site, so just providing a link and shifting through each video won't count as a click, and may not be counted as views. A non-proxy and non-VPN IP address is also necessary. For live-streaming views, it's difficult to spoof, unlike Twitch, and if you were to spoof it, you'd really need that amount of computers as provided in the number of live viewers to have such a count. So although it is possible to bot, it would mean that tens of thousands of computers have to be tuned in the livestream, although no actual "real life" viewers are present. We coders had to bypass a lot of restrictions imposed by Youtube in order to be able to at least sell our services to a certain extent. Twitch is fucking easy though and for being a mainly streaming platform, I'm surprised then haven't done anything against viewbotting too much other than purge accounts.

>>3390770
>(was)
Why anon-chama? Did she hurt you? Wanna talk about it?

>>3391997
I still love her, I just wish she put more effort towards it. It's like in a new relationship when the spark is starting to wear off.... She's drifting away anon.

>>3383570
>Gura has almost 20K members

Doesn't she have much more? Her community post about #catshark from two days ago has 32k likes.

I think she makes most money from memberships and not superchats.

>>3381769
>less than a hour stream
>boring design
>no accessories
>shitty rigging
No, I don't think anyone with more than one brain cell will bring up anything like that

>>3381769
This is actually an issue going around the JP circles. Most Niji fans are insinuating that Cover is bloating EN numbers because Gura's superchat amount just doesn't make sense. And Holofags are not finding the answers to satisfy the curious. It's actually getting traction among the regular peeps that haven't taken sides.

>>3392632
How do they explain Rushia's and Coco's highest earnings despite lower numbers? Bots with money?

>>3392900
Coco has quantity while Rushia has quality

>The numers I don't like must fake
Keep seething Nutsagis
This is the numbers Peko will never ever get

>>3392632
She just have a fuckton of normalfags subbed that got on a "wow vtubers cute" hype train. It's the same people who will say "I'm such a geek, I watched all the marvel movies", they don't do anything, but they are real

>>3381769
cope

>>3381769
>Is anyone going to bring up the fact that Gura or her management most likely uses view bots?
L O D S O
C O P E

WHAT'S THAT SPELL?

>>3381769
How much money did you make as a kid?

>>3392632
its a niji cope honestly. This low supercha is pretty normal in the west I mean look at this guy.

>>3394051
His fanbase is mostly children though. I dont imagine most parents are eager to let their kid throw money to funny minecraftman #27253

>>3381769
Are nijikeks gonna demand a recount?

>>3392632
The answer is fairly simple. Western streamer culture revolves more around subs (members) than donations (supachat). Not that I imagine small-brained elevens can understand this.

>>3382345
Exactly, she's just the normie bait

My fucking god, the answer to the whole "why gura dont get that many SC?" is just this fucking simple: lot of casual viewers. Casual viewers go to the most popular vtuber, which is gura because she is the only one going for cute factor this hard. That plus gooruh rarely reads SC.
WOW MYSTERY SOLVED

>>3381769
gura viewbotted
STOP THE COUNT!

>>3392632
>103.50$ crying about low superchats
oh I am laffin

>>3381769
Her fanbase is like 90% children, yes they're poor.

>>3386214
I'm pretty sure you meant "Eastern Tibet"

>concurrent viewer 40k->20k: so those were bots because yt fixed the algorithm
>hit 194k this stream: noooo, those were definitely bots

>NUMBERS REEEEEEEEEEE

What is this /v/ and a console war thread?

Ok I get it, I feel sorry for the holomem who are struggling to get PAST 1k but this is petty
>>3392632
gonna source that shit?
>>3392900
Coco's viewers are sympathetic wagekeks especially now we seen her fucking cry, Rushia is a damn hard worker and an amazing at acting her role, therefore both are pulling our heart srtings and getting rewarded for it as a result

>>3383237
This isn't the kind of way watamelon fans should behave. You're bringing shame to the Shogun.

Gura attracts more children than others.

>>3389461
Motherfucker she will be getting 3 million subs before the next holo will ever get to 2 million is it not enough already? She already is the record holder for the most viewed livestream in chuuba history. What more "growth" do you want?

>>3395073
>gonna source that shit
Not that guy but I've read snippets of it in at least 2 different matomes

>>3383645
>Sounds like a cope
no, the math has been done a number of times by numberfags. it works out like this

Gura has provably a min of 20k paying memberships (as in we can confirm a min of 20k live views for some of her member content based on likes); the real number of paid memberships could be (based on youtube statistics) as high as 200k; however this number is almost as unlikely as her having just 20k. Based on youtube stats, and some statistical sampling her actual number of paid memberships is most likely somewhere around 40-80k.

Her paid memberships come in two tiers, 5 per month and 10 per month. We have no way to know how many of her paid memberships are 5 and how many are 10; so all estimates for income assume all paid memberships are $5 to provide a min estimated income. This min income could be significantly lower then reality though.

at 40k paid memberships for $5/mo she makes a min of $200k/mo from the memberships alone, if that number is 80k paid memberships her membership income is as high as $400k per month.

even if you don't believe the statistical models used, and only believe the bare minimum provable numbers (9k confirmed paid members who voted on a pole in october; numbers from before she hit 1mil subs) she's still making a min of $50k/mo on paid memberships; which equals her estimated ad revenue though youtube and equals her estimated monthly superchat revenue. However the statistical models easily prove her number of paid memberships are much much higher then this 9k number, with the floor being a min of 20k, though even that number is pretty much assuming nearly historically high and impossible to match youtube engagement in her video content for her memberships. furthermore in live content such as yesterday's costume reveal, 9 in 10 comments in her chat are membershrimp, with nearly 200k live viewers (don't believe me, the view is up with the chat comments, count it yourself when the costume is being revealed with the highest live numbers, nearly every post in chat has a green name meaning they're paid numbers, 200k live viewers and nearly every single comment comes from a paid membership; which lends credibility to the statistical models that suggest it's entirely possible she has 200k paid members; I don't believe it, if you believe the traffic was mostly passive, then you won't either, but we know at least 100k of her live viewers were ACTIVE and passionate, as they were waiting before the reveals, and stayed after it, and still chat was entirely a wall of green member names with a rare white (unpaying) post interspersed from time to time. Meaning that estimated 40-80k membership number might be conservatives.

>>3390315
>What's unbelievable that a 2.6 mil sub channel got 1 mil views in 3 hours for a highly anticipated stream?
because it ruins the rrat that her channel is filled with dead subs. they need to cope somehow, so they claim it's bots.

>>3395335
orange posters started a war, now 10M is the new goal. Goombah is going to be a household name

>>3395599
Imagine if Gura started singing any kids song especially baby shark. Just her singing Disney songs in her last membership was super good. If she made that public, kids would flock to her

>>3381769
I think they viewbot everyone

>>3394209
Gura's fanbase trends younger too

>>3381769
This screenshot wasn't even real and everyone in this thread is fucking retarded.

>>3395512
I don't know why they ever claimed they were dead subs. Some channels just have casual watchers rather than diehards and never miss a stream.

>>3382116
Do KFP really?

>>3395979
>I don't know why they ever claimed they were dead subs. Some channels just have casual watchers rather than diehards and never miss a stream.
same reason why the anti's claimed chumbuds were bragging gura would get 200k live viewers then made threads before the stream claiming her channel was dead and chumbuds should cope since she didn't get to 200k. Those threads were hilarious when he live views rocketed up to 190k+

of course chumbuds never claimed she would get 200k, that was just anti's stirring up shit. just like they like to claim her sub number is dead subs. so a gura stream hitting 1.3m in <12 hours just ruins the narrative, so now they need to claim it's bots.

>>3395957
It was real.

Playboard just blkated the numbers as per Cover's request because the Nijifans found the inconsistencies

Playboard is under Cover's thumb and are using them to perpetuate the narrative that "Gura is the 2nd most subbed Vtuber"

It's actually been proven multiple times that Cover paid for viewbots during the "Hololive Boom" of 2019.

>>3382116
DO CHICKENFAGS REALLY??

>>3396071
meds.

>>3382116
Why are KFP like this?

>>3395481
Impressive mental gymnastics, but why do you even care how much she's worth?

>>3396720
>Impressive mental gymnastics, but why do you even care how much she's worth?
because you anti's keep posting "muh superchat" "muh VOD" "muh views"

in fact you fagots keep shifting the goalposts on things that don't fucking matter all the time. superchats only matter to small non-membered channels. it will never touch what these yt'ers make through memberships. thats the same for mori, tako and all the others. that you idiots focus on superchats when it represents 1/5 at most, the rev most of these girls make either through ads or memberships is just sad.

It went up like 15,000 seconds before the reveal.

/jp/ schizos meltdown is on full force today.

>>3381769
If Gura use view bot, the other HoloEN will have same amount of view bot too.
Means that Chiken still got lowest viewer.
Now fuck off!

>>3382116
The only botters are KFP, jumping up several thousand subs any time Ina pulls ahead.

>>3389519
Are their names Cope, Seethe and Schizo?

>>3396838
Your problem is that you say too much. A single false claim brings the credibility of your entire statement into question. In this case, it's what you said about ads. Ad revenue is the least significant revenue stream by far. If you wanted to talk about sponsors and other partnerships, then it'd be understandable, but you didn't.

Your "statistical modeling" and "this is my best guess, but it's conservative if anything" already reeks of "just trust me bro." But the fact that you think ads matter at all proves that you don't have even a basic level of knowledge on how money is made on YouTube. You also talk about it like she's somehow got massive engagement while the others have zero memberships, as if that doesn't run contrary to the provable fact that the average viewer pays so much more to the others than Gura.

Conventional knowledge says that when waifus are involved, whales are the biggest source of revenue, which is why people bring up superchats. Views and VODs are a cope, but so is your bullshit about memberships. It doesn't affect you in the slightest how much your favorite V-Tuber makes, so why are you embarrassing yourself trying so hard to claim superiority?

/hlg/ out of control in here
Gura won, deal with it

>>3381769
t. seething nip upset that a NEET from Montana can make more money than muh Grorious Nihonjin Waifu

>>3381769
Only children watch her, and children don't have any money.

>>3381769
>She made less than all of her genmates, and just calling her fanbase "poor" isn't a real argument.
They're not "poor" they're underage.

>>3395957
What website are you using

>>3392632
>because Gura's superchat amount just doesn't make sense
I don’t see how it doesn’t make sense. Not everyone that watches streams is going to donate. This is normal. I whatever money she didn’t make from superchats she likely got front the Ads on her VODs to make up for it.

>>3381769
What do you gain by lying lol
Calli made the most followed by Kiara, then Gura, then Ina. Calli probably had the benefit of actually reading her superchats which likely gives her viewers more incentive to donate.

>>3392632
lmao nijikeks seething they lost their record

To be fair her stream was the shortest and her outfit was by far the biggest pile of shit we have ever seen Hololive produce so far. Over 50,000 people left the millisecond her ears were on screen.

>>3382116
Is someone who actives the discord I can guarantee you the mods are way too retarded to be able to do that they are literally sub 40 IQ brainlets

>>3400583
>I have never watched an outfit reveal before, how did you know

>>3394439
Casual viewers don't cancel out the potential donating fans. This argument makes no sense.

>>3383570
Is there a way to see how many mmembers a chuuba has?

Gura doesn't have gachikois.

>>3397589
>stip effortposting: the Effortpost
rumao
>Ads don't matter
Explain why. You can check Adsense.
>Conventional wisdom
This IS literally "dude trust me bro".
>your opinion is worthless because you underestimate your guess
Would it be better if he didn't? He took a lower bound to show that membership brings as much as or more money in than ANYTHING else, including supas.
>>3395481
The statistical member message frequency during the stream is an overestimate because members are more active in chat. I have no clue how to estimate the bias here, but it's a very optimistic upper bound. The rest I really cannot argue with.

>>3400945
I just think she doesn’t really want to emphasize superchat culture. She specifically mentioned that she wants to make everyone have a good time and wasn’t into the idea of tiered streams when some people asked. She probably doesn’t want to set up such things to her fanbase which has a lot of (real) children.

Fun fact! None of your favorite chuubas make as much money as you think they do. YouTube takes 30% of what's left after Apple takes 30% if the payment was made on an iPhone. I've never bothered to look up what management takes of the remainder, but anywhere from 50-90% would make sense.

Your waifu only gets to keep 35% of your money at most, and that's before taxes.

>the holo who puts the least effort into supacha reading makes a disproportionately low amount from them
Fucking mystery.

>>3401702
Same with Ina but she consistently makes more.

>>3401574
>Overhead exists

>>3401574
People use iPhones to watch this shit?

>>3401702
Gura reads supas once a week, sometimes.

Ina never reads them, at all, since debut.

>>3401487
Putting effort into your posts is great, as long as the effort goes into conveying facts, and not just cherry-picking numbers to extrapolate as high as you can. "Statistical models" use distributions and simulations, not just applying multipliers to the biggest number you could find that might be relevant.

Ads bring in a constant stream of crumbs. This is common knowledge. It doesn't need to be proven. That's why big YouTube channels do merchandise, sponsorships, promotions, and so on.

Claiming that you underestimate your guess isn't the same as actually making a conservative estimate. This guy just comes up with the biggest number he possibly can using flawed math, and then says "and that's low if anything" based on blatantly unscientific methods. This isn't to add credibility, it's a last-ditch effort to make the numbers look higher than you can even fudge them to be.

>>3401821
>>She consistently makes more
>made like 5k less than Gura from the outfit stream alone
>has the lowest superchat donations overall, even lower than Amelia
Source

>>3401574
Everybody knows that, Coco even talked about it. They get more from memberships.

>>3381769
Ayame made 3 times more than gura because she milk her viewers dry by streaming 4 hours, thats weird for outfit reveal

Also gura new outfit is complete garbage

>>3390310
Man people really gave a lot of money to Ayame. Ayame's outfit is terrible from the point of its design, her head is way too huge. At least Gura can get the rigging fixed, nothing can fix Ayame's bobblehead except it being redrawn.

>>3400512
I don’t know what I saw but I coulda sworn Calli made 19k in superchats on the outfit stream. Turns out it was 16k like Gura, though Gura made slightly more.

Kiara actually made the most in superchats from her outfit stream at 17k

>>3402155
Ayame's head is pretty in proportion when you consider the fact that she's an anime character. The more they design the girls to be proportionate to real women the uglier they'll become.
Be grateful for Ayame!

>>3402202
Actually nevermind. Calli did make 19k. I dunno why this website keeps fluctuating the numbers. First it said 19k, then I checked again and it said 16k. Then it said 19k.

>>3395481
Okay this post is a bunch of word nonsense, but it got me thinking is it possible to get an entire log of the live chat, and then have something parse that to see how many unique member names show up?

>>3390310
Gura made 16k by the end. Still less than Calli and Kiara but more than Ina. Amelia might end up earning more than her if she draws out the stream long enough.

Cope and meds.

>>3382116
>like 5-6 beginner webdevs that don't know what nodeJS is (this is what their programming channel consists of) are viewbotting for gura

>>3401506
Yeah.i feel like Calli and Kiara earn so much in Superchats because they actually pay attention to them, giving the viewers incentive to donate more. If you go to the superchat section of Calli’s outfit stream you can see people spamming superchats in hopes that they’ll be read. And Kiara not only reads superchats, she straight up asks for donations sometimes.

>>3402342
I was thinking so too, I might do it just as an intellectual excercise. I think you'd have to run it for a WHILE to get all members though. Theres probably people that don't even watch live and get the membership for the badge, too.

Throwing money at vtubers is probably the most stupid thing ever, why would I drop $100 usd just to send a silly message she might not even read? even if she did, blowing money on that 30 seconds of parasocial relationship is the last thing I would do with my money. I'm thankful some irresponsible people waste their money so I can watch vtubers, but having a larger simpbase donating supachato just shows your fans are more retarded.

>>3381769
stupid rigger you realize that adblock affects the views. i turned my adblock off for this one.