/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Anon discovers what an exaggeration is

>>33485082
I work in graphic design engineer and i know for a fart that it does not take that long to design shirts and stuff

>>33485266
Since I highly doubt you're membered to Noir, I'll just say that his estimate was 100% sincere. Keep in mind the boys have been more forward regarding management's bullshit compared to the girls.

>>33485266
Vesper is autistic, he's incapable of exaggerating.

>>33485374
He says most of it is literally filling forms and talking with management. I'm also an artist by trade and I would expect the creation of the merch proper to take 100s of hours (from actual artists), but the planning phase shouldn't take this long bar gross incompetency from people who have no clue how the design process should work. (With a Japanese company and inexperienced streamers who haven't designed products before, this seems totally possible.)

>>33485479
No, you are autistic and incapable of understanding exaggeration

>>33485082
This guy is basically male kiara with how much of the behind the scenes he has revealed in basically 2 months

>>33485660
But who's on first?

>>33485082
hot

>>33485082
I have worked in a team with off-shore members, and unless you standardize the shift, the work won't be *completed* on time.

>>33485082
Japanese Corporate Autism sucks shit I'm not surprised I guess the EN managers really are once again useless.

>>33485082
>I was watching Noir's member stream
Hahahah, what a faggot.

>>33485082
Welcome to Japan マザファカー

>>33485082
100 hours of something you will only do once a year is not a big deal

>>33485082
He also said that a song cover takes 100 hours of a talents time to make. Are you sure 100 hours isnt just his go to number?

>>33485082
He has been complaining since day 1. Just graduate and be an indie faggot.

>>33486156
I don’t listen to grays

>>33486156
>Women when they get pushed around by their company
>O-okay guess I just won't play that game or make that cover haha...

>Men when they get pushed around by their company
>That's pretty bullshit so I'm going to complain to my manager and tell my viewers until I make a compromise

>>33485082
>birthday merch can take up to 100 HOURS of the talent's time
Last minute Ame will take that challenge on.

>>33486156
Its the difference between Autism Complaining and regular complaining (people are 80% sure vesper is legit on the spectrum at this point with his love for Bikes and Trains).
For most autistic people even for something they love they hyperfixate on negative aspects in discussion mostly because of a need to explain why things happen the way they do and most of the time you don't need to explain unless something goes wrong or the like.

>>33485781
>how much of the behind the scenes he has revealed in basically 2 months
so none?

oh noooo, employees have to work, the horror

Once he explained that they have to be micromanaged by someone during streams it made sense why all the hololive members fucking hate being there.

The word autist and the notion of the spectrum has been abused so much, I wonder if it's retained any meaning at all.

>>33485603
I lied lol

>>33486607
fuck you frogposter

>>33486531
>they have to be micromanaged by someone during streams
What exactly did he say in that regard? And could it have been something specific to the first month after debuts? I doubt most of the girls' streams are being watched by their managers, considering how some of them behave while streaming.

>>33486531
??????
if this wasn't apparent to anybody who watches these you're pretty dumb
it's no different from a producer giving you cues on a set through an earpiece
you're putting on a SHOW, you understand?

>>33486607
Lmfao I still work in games, shipped 3 indie titles + 1 AAA, and the longest meetings I've had were on teams where no one knew how to approach their job so we just spent ages making up bullshit without a clear goal.

>>33486657
I can't recall and exact vesper quotes but I know that Magni is watched like a hawk to the point where his manager told him not to do hardcore on subnatuca and this happen in Raft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQSlLCXRrWY

>>33486128
He did?!

>>33486664
well Ame must not have a manager then because 85% of her on-stream actions make no sense from the perspective of anybody but herself

Oh no it takes them time to do shit? They can't just sign off on a paper and hand the work over to someone else? Can't Cover just magically make the merch exist already and have it be exactly what the talent wants?

>>33486664
I'm severely deaf, I wonder if that permanently bars me from Hololive? I know Japanese but I can't hear worth shit. I'm not sure so I can talk and read chat but unless Japan manager san can type with his Nippon keyboard folded over 1,000 times I wonder if that's what the hold up is.
I'm starting to think corporate Vtubing is gay.

>>33485082
why are these ""men"" so loud and bitchy like crying trannies compared to holo girls? arent these anglo soi infused niggers actually fucking lazy and weak?

>>33486850
>those buzzwords
Where did this esl get fresh off the boat from

>>33486841
Eh. I've ordered bookmarks and business cards. You just type in what text/design you want, pay for it and get it shipped to your house. I guarantee Cover is just being drama queens.

>>33486418
Why do people on this board think any interest in something means they have autism? Neurotypicals like to enjoy things too.

>>33486841
Anon, it doesn't take 100 hours to brainstorm putting an anime design on a cup or putting your face on a pillow.

>>33486920
anglo soi infused nigger monkeys like you and these """""""""men""""""""""""" are actually fucking weak like anglo trannyggers. you anglo nigger baboons should be ashamed of yourselves. no holomem ever complained this immediately after debut

>>33486778
The Maglord has been pretty consistently Maggin' too close to the sun with some of the stuff he's been saying....Vesper too...and I would not be shocked in the least if management is giving them both special attention for it.

>>33486823
He said it in one of his earlier zatsus in regard to Altare who was planning on releasing a cover ever month or week or something, idk.

>>33486834
Ame practically manages EN at this point. Besides it's not like you can literally control a person like a puppet. The most extreme stuff is
>you're not allowed to do that
>let me check if you can do that
Here's a famous showbiz example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aANi6fUV9W8
>>33486847
They're not literally speaking to you in streaming. Usually it means having Discord open so Staff-san can message you about things as you're performing.

>>33486243
Imagine thinking you're a better person for being a streamer's paypiggy.

>>33486834

I think its initially guiding before they take the training wheels off

also Mag is the ballsiest of all EN when it comes to saying stuff

>>33486418
I can definitely relate, I'm the same way when I talk about my interests.
It has been really refreshing to see the boys lift some of the veil on what goes on behind the scenes at Cover. This is something we would've never gotten from the girls, let alone any JP mem.

>>33487128
Oh, Discord chats would be 100% doable.

>>33487101
I was gonna say something else but your post made me bust out laughing as I read it, holy shit keep em coming brother

>>33486841
Japan still uses faxes.
Faxes.

>>33487014
Anon its Bikes and Fucking Trains on top of that he is studying the dwarf fortress wiki in the background for hours every night because he wants to do a good stream of it eventually.
He has the obsessive capacity of someone with autism, he has the candid and blunt speaking of someone with autism, and he has a hyper optimization mindset when it comes to his content to the point of adjusting stream times and overthinking what his viewers would like.
He even shouted out another Vtuber with autism on stream.
The man has all the signs of being high functioning.

>>33485082
this isnt surprising to anyone
theyre a corporation, existing within the confines of one just means printing out 10,000 sheets of paper to act as a guideline and holy relic as a means of not getting sued because "X, Y, Z" all signed off on something
This is why you hear about delays from your oshi

>>33487219
good. i love shitting on you anglo subhumans so much
anglo niggers are weak as shit. no wonder you are easily beaten the shit out of by dumb feminists and woke fucktards.

>>33487144
>also Mag is the ballsiest of all EN when it comes to saying stuff
Which is good, most Holos seem to cower in fear of management, and management doesn't have a great track record in terms of making decisions that serve the company as a whole. I'd like to see more of the Holos push back, their decisions might not be perfect but they know their fans much better than some fucking manager who doesn't know who Hatsune Miku is or keeps spamming your karaoke with Crazy Frog requests.

>>33487295
to be fair, he also has childhood trauma from an abusive father who basically whipped him into being a perfectionist

>>33487144
yeah, it goes without saying that you'll be supervised very closely up to a certain time after your debut.
kobo accidentally leaked her discord chat once which showed her in contact with not just her manager, but also tech staff during her stream

>>33487166
Coco talked about it and described what a nightmare it was and people still question why she left the company.

>>33487293
Japan also uses floppy disks.
Floppy disks!

>>33487293
I still use faxes here in the US for hospital purposes.
At least in Japan you can just walk to a konbini.

>>33485082
He also talked about how one of the first things they are taught is to never do in screen recording if you can help it to avoid yabs.

>>33487430
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62749310
In their defense they are *trying* to phase them out

>>33487387

>tech staff

well its good that they get some help on that front?

I've been looking at the merch for the 3rd and 4th year of some of the girls and shit is starting to look generic, acrylic stands and the like, my guess is that all of that work is if you actually want have an input on what your merch will be.
Also remember that this is a business, a nip one at that, bitches won't take a risk ever.

>>33486778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCvLijtPlMk
Around one minute in Magni mentions that it's the first time management is interfering like this (by suggesting not picking hardcore which is reasonable).
But they don't actually stop him.

>>33487430
Their ATMs have business hours. Fucking robots have business hours and close down at night in Japan!

does Tempus exist for any other purpose than creating drama?

>>33486778
Magni is the most likely to yab big time, since he's an e-celeb orbiter. Even worse than Ollie and Mori.

>>33486499
management is off for the weekends and if you stream at 3am JST they will be sleeping, so if a yab happens then you won't get bonked until they wake up and watch the vod, or worse, if they need to damage control (rushia) and shit goes down on a weekend things can go south if the talent has no idea of how to PR.

>>33487745
idk if u watch them theyre pretty good entertainers, i dont know why you read what the gossip queens here say and think its anything more extreme than Kiara saying management of Cover is dogshit

>>33485082
>Can't draw the designs himself.
>Doesn't speak JP.
>Wondering why it take so long for merch.
>Cover Bureaucracy
Like pottery.

These westoid just couldn't fit in, perhaps Cover should looking for Japanese people who can speak English for EN brand.

>>33486847
Kanata is deaf in one ear and Noel is losing her hearing too, but yeah being completely deaf will likely stop you from getting in.

>>33488051
Maybe should consider learning English before talking on an English website

>>33487126
Altare? It's Axel that's pumping out the covers.

Trannies are mad about this lmao

>>33487949
your reading comprehension bro...

>>33487129
Greens are more relevant, it doesn't make them a better person.

>>33488118
this is a japanese site, amerimutt monkey

>>33488233
futaba channel is a japanese website, the owner of this website lives in France, this website's servers are based in America
You got anymore bullshit to cry about?

>>33488088
she needs to stop putting that shit in her ears then, fucking dumbass woman

its only funny when anglo men complain exactly like their feminist bitches

>>33487949
You can't even read

>>33487129
>proclaim green status for your favorite 2D anime girl giving you a better say on what she should or shouldn’t do
>laugh at grays
>get mad when homo greens tell you (the now gray) to eat shit
lol
lmao

>>33487949
>be an /a/ third worlder
>be illiterate

Works out

>>33486657
>I doubt most of the girls' streams are being watched by their managers
At least for Mumei she does, there have been instances on which she says she is going to ask her manager and gets an immediate response even before sending a message.
Plus vesper mention management watch the VODs if they were off for the stream and will reprimand bad conducts.

>>33487914
Kiara never goes this in-depth about her complaints. She will throw shade at Omega and his stupid lore and general inability to be useful, but if she complained like how Magni/Vesper do we would at least know who is actually blocking the HoloEN/NijiEN collabs. It makes me wonder if they are giving Tempus more leeway because they are desperate for them to get Luxiem numbers.

>>33488289
the 4chan owner is a japanense man called hiroyuki, dumb amerimutt monkey. he owns this site. your bs is total nonsense. it doesnt make any sense.

>>33487396
Yet she and Rushia right now are crying that the money isn’t good and that they have more administrative redtap restrictions than ever

>>33488423
>be retarded
>call others retarded
The third worlder cowers in fear of basic googlable information

>>33485082
Anon learns that jp companies move at a snail's pace to do anything.
Tune in next time for Anon learns anime isn't real.

>>33487128
What level of autism is this?
Youre making it incredibly obvious that you dont watch streams

>>33488397
Anon, we know you’ve never watched Stars and have no interest in them, but this is absolutely typical for StarsJP too and has nothing to do with numbers. They say anything they want and managers don’t really care.

>>33485082
100 hours isn't much considering how big a part of their revenue it is. Could be an entire year's worth of superchats at once.

>>33485266
You think this is an exaggeration with how autisti Cover is with permissions and that they have a permissions guy that can be gone for weeks and they need it sent to them in a fax.

>>33488582
It definitely sounds like a sex difference, guys are used to working out their problems through direct confrontation whereas girls find a way around.

>>33488393
Obviously they dont watch every stream.
Its usually only for events where they know they might need to help during them

>Retarded westerners think japanese corporate autism is just a hyper exaggerated joke
Yes I'm sure the endless satirical jokes and bits on Japaneses corporate life is not totally based on an out of touch reality with an ever aging population where in the young population are now overworked working the equivalent of 4 jobs under the guise of 1 because no one wants to work for these old cunts

>>33488432
coco complained about red tape trying to work with other companies, she's more free than ever to do what she wants... just look at the content she produces.
>>33488397
the girls do push back a lot too, they're just more cheeky about it
think you're living in confirmation bias land, chief

>>33488641
Of course it’s a sex difference, Vesper is proof of it
>be Vesper
>be told you need to stream at 10pm PST
>nah I will stream at 10am
>be told EU hours are shit
>streams double duty to on 10am and 10pm to prove the point
>Management yields after Monetization streams when he hits a record amount of superchat revenue
If I’m gonna trust anyone’s advice it’s gonna be Vesper

>>33488729
They sleep at work anon.
It's actually ingrained in their work culture that spending half of your 14-hour workday sleeping at your desk is a sign of how hard you're working.
This is how ridiculously inefficient Japanese work culture is.

>>33487128
Are you retarded? I don't even know what you're talking about.
If you're referring to how staff "micromanage", that's literally what happens in all of the linked vids here, including the real showbiz example there. You literally hear Discord in Magni's stream. You really think Holo acts that much differently than what we know happens with Niji talents who also chat with staff during sponsorship streams?

>>33488929
Yeah I don't believe they're micromanaged either, there's no way the world's best manager would be able to fully keep up with the fucked up streaming schedules some of the girls have.

>>33486664
>like a producer giving you prompts through an earpiece
>okay ame, when you tell that story about how you ate bread, make sure you REALLY sell how badly your tummy hurt!

>>33485374
It's a Japanese company, you have to ask your boss, his boss, and his boss, send in a fax with your official hanko signature stamp, and do an hour of overtime if you wanna take a shit

>>33485082
Why do homo watchers take 100% of what these guys say as gospel with no exaggeration/lies to make themselves interesting? You understand a streamer is there to entertain?

How could this possibly take 100 hours?
>What do you want?
>Who do you want to do the art?
>Here is the art draft, anything you want changed?
That is all it takes.

>>33489062
They aren't women, they wouldn't lie for numbers.

>>33489093
paperwork and waiting for the 80 year old with the stamp to remember where he is, then the paperwork needs to be faxed

>>33487880
We knew all this stuff before, and all of it wasn't really that shocking revelation to begin with. Yeah, businessmen take weekends off and don't work overnight. Wow, shocking!
Plus, it's not that Vesper or Kiara snitching on some secret news, it just that a lot of EN (mainly Myth) is paranoid and secretive about stuff that doesn't really need to be secrets. JP talk about this type of stuff all the time, some are even open about how they playing a character on stream or how they use fake voices and not really try to hide the fact. You just don't see this type of stuff in EN yet.

>>33489062
I dunno, maybe because when everyone keeps saying how busy they are behind the scenes, if someone comes along and says that something behind the scenes takes a lot of time, I'll be more inclined to believe them?

>>33486279
It sounds cool when you put it that way but in reality the male talents have accomplished nothing with their pushback and lost permissions and caused trouble. Tempus is brotubers in the capacity that even their oldest member just acts the way kids do thinking they're adults when they can start drinking legally.

LoL Vesper just quit Spore because he was frustrated with having to mute the stream constantly to avoid DMCA risks and game crashes. He is both the most by the book of Tempus but also the most candid with the companies innerworkings.

>>33489332
>DMCA risks
>in Spore
?????
Does Spore feature Michael Jackson music or something?

>>33487676
based. planning for the machine uprising.

>>33489535
The evolution music is copyrighted somehow

>>33489254
>lost permissions and caused trouble.
qrd

>>33489332
Anon, the game crashed and he hasnt saved in 20+ minutes

>>33485082
They only have to design merch twice a year for their birthdays and anniversaries and depending on how popular you are get a ridiculous amount of money from it so 100 hours for that is nothing.

>>33487295
>he is studying the dwarf fortress wiki
YES! I'm looking forward to it

>>33489627
w-w-w-w-what?

>>33489648
Its a running joke that the boys during ingen colab streams will talk shit about various brands and the like and then say stuff like "pepsi perms lost" or things like that.
>>33489663
Yeah but he said he is not coming back even before then because of how annoying it was.

>>33489254
WE JUST LOST MANAGER PERMISSIONS

>>33489004
The girls stream 7 hours a week at best, that's easy as fuck are u kidding me?

>>33488929
Apples and oranges

Is this the orcnigger indie who went corpo and now complaining about corpo rules?
Once a faggot always a faggot ig

>>33489535
>>33489835
Just EA Jew shit.

>>33488619
>>33489706
i'm guessing the problem isn't just that it takes a lot of time, but that it's incredibly inefficient, they waste a lot of time on pointless procedures, etc. so it's very frustrating

>>33489706
There's only 2000 hours in a work year anon, at 100 hours a pop that's 10% of your time spent filling out paperwork to make acrylic stands, probably more if you factor that most of them don't work full time hours.

>>33486279
Suisei is the one who argues with management the most and she even brags about that
Towa is also up there

>>33488619
now imagine if they had to do some of that work for every single collab, karaoke or unique stream idea

>>33490099
And they are right. The managers are scum.

>>33490099
>Vesper is autistic
>Suzy is autistic
THEY ARE

>>33487102
and this....this is why he is sooo fucking great!
also, keep in mind, none of the stuff he gets bonked for is NDA level: the reason instruments are bad on stream is because 'music rights' companies are assholes.

>>33485082
>100 Hours to discuss something that happens once a year.
>" anyone who's curious why it takes so long for Cover to do things and why the talents stream so little compared to other companies"
Working for 100 hours a year, real slavery job there, no wonder they don't stream!
Do Amerimutts really? Go get a real job, retard.

>>33489254
>lost permissions
>Altare puts in handfuls of permission requests at a time because it’s the manager’s job to deal with it
They’ll be fine

>>33490710
In the off chance you're not trolling and are actually this stupid, birthday merch is far from being the only thing they have to fill paperwork for.

>>33488397
>we would at least know who is actually blocking the HoloEN/NijiEN collabs
It's entirely NijiEN

>>33490933
>Filling papers.
>"That's why they don't stream!"
He keeps going. As i said, get a real job.

>>33486279
>>33490099
Astel is another one that constantly backtalks his manager(s) and even got into fights regarding his projects and even side stepped them completely at some points to do what he wanted.
He has also threaten/baited graduating various time to get his way.

>>33485082
I wonder why they make talent handle so much of that?

>>33491253
It's alright, the tempus bros can somehow stream whilst being in perms hell and filing papers.

>>33491377
>"Ayame, Aqua, and Shion don't do streams! They're right in not doing so!"
This is what you're saying. Retard.

>>33487659
what is the issue with hardcore?

>>33491340
>He has also threaten/baited graduating various time to get his way.
That's the thing most people in Hololive (especially managers) don't seem to realize, the talents *are* the reason for Hololive's success. If you're a manager, Hololive isn't a success because of you, Hololive is a success DESPITE you.

>>33491468
I don't know how you managed to pull that out of me saying "The tempus bros can stream and fill out paper work and be in perms hell".
Can I have some of what you're having?

>>33491340
Astel is like a toxic girlfriend kek.

>>33491527
If he dies, it kills all momentum his Subnautica series had.

>>33490710
Holy cover dick sucking faggot, You will never be japanese or work in hololive

>>33486156
He's actually really happy and loving life as a vtuber. He just is pretty honest about things. I like it personally. I think we'd cut the girls more slack if they were more transparent

>>33490933
>birthday merch is far from being the only thing they have to fill paperwork for.

>>33491546
Retard.

>>33491623
Get a real job.

>>33491543
I thought that. But Hololive graduated Coco, Rushia, and Sana with no repercussions to their brand. A lot of the fans only watch because it is hololive and don't truly care about their oshii.

>>33488828
As an EST Burger I will never not be grateful toward Vesper for that.

>>33491846
ogey

>>33491707
The first post you're quoting is mine. Aside from this one, I wasn't even in your conversation.

>>33491846
Coco and Sana graduated over mysterious circumstances that were left undiscussed.
Rushia got fired following a massive boyfriend yab.
We probably won't get anyone else graduating over "creative differences" anytime soon because everybody in Hololive is so damn nonconfrontational, but if it happened with one of the boys, or hell, some of the EN girls, I could see them raising a stink about it.

>>33491637
Kiara is just as honest and everyone either hates her or simply doesn't watch considering her CCV. Hololive was invented to keep women in check and make them tolerable to watch and listen to. Kiara goes against this fundamental ideology. Only males can be honest and get away with it.

>>33488634
Don’t forget Ina finding game permissions underneath the pile of garbage in her room during her cleaning stream, or staff losing the physical copy and telling the girls not to play the game because of it.
>>33489161
I think it’s less that EN is being paranoid about it and more that they just don’t think it’s interesting to discuss.

>>33492099
I accept your concession.

>>33492321
>everyone either hates her or simply doesn't watch
I don't think anyone hates Kiara besides Kiaraschizo.

>>33492399
>staff losing the physical copy and telling the girls not to play the game because of it.
That's what cracks me up, for this to happen they had to:
>Keep physical copies of game permissions
>Not have any backups, digital or otherwise
>Somehow *notice* the permission form was missing (how does this happen?)
>Actually decide the best course of action was to tell the talents to stop streaming cause they lost the paper
It's so many levels of inane it borders on comedy.

>>33492422
Good, feel free to insult the other anon as much as you want, I don't even know what's going on.

>>33490093
I still think that 100 hours is only if you want to design the merch, there is probably an option to let cover handle everything.

>>33492689
What talent wouldn't want to design their own merch?
What talent wouldn't get annoyed they have to jump through 100 hours of Japanese paperwork to do it?

>>33485082
Ogey rrat

>>33492233
Rushia got fired for breaking NDA.

>>33485082
Would it takes less time and stress if they did it all for themselves?

Do these people do zero research before applying? I don’t feel bad for any EN because that’s what they signed up for

>>33491543
>>33491549
Astel gives no fucks and rakes in a shit ton of money, and to show how much fucks he doesn’t give, this is Astel’s tier 2 Membership (his tier one is 12.99)

>>33490710
What's your job?

>>33492321
Vesper is a lot nicer than kiara though.

>>33494634
he's just less esl

>>33485082
This makes sense when you compare Cover's management expenses with Anycolor's in their financial statement (much higher despite similar revenue) and the bizarre obsession with pumping money into vanity projects like ERROR. It's a classic, old as time case of middle management bloating into a tumor on the organization and thinking it's more important than the talents who are actually bringing in the cash. It's also demoralizing as hell -in any job- to be doing real work day in and day out only to be stonewalled by some paper pusher parasite.

>>33491543
Classic Japanese corpo. Managerial staff is more important than the talents who made the company/brand into what it is today.

>>33494853
Where can I see Cover's management expenses? Now those are some numbers I'd love to have eyes on.

>>33494151
The thing is they can't without breaking company policy.
The process likely goes something like this based of my own cubicle hell.
>talent wants to have a say in their own merch
They first need to go to the manager who puts them in contact with the proper person on the Japanese side and then get an official company translator involved who has to manage the back and forth.
Then they have to send the request up the ranks via fax having it signed off by every level of management along the way and then send it back down the way. This process likely takes a week on average.
>talent submits their concept
Now they go through the same process again except if anyone says no at any point it needs to be sent back down the line and then reworked which is a lot of back and forth.
Then the concept gets sent to through the proper channels to manufactures and the like who may have their own modifications to fit their equipment. Which causes the entire thing to go back to the modifications stage.
>Talent has to deal with swaths of email chains after stream about this with the added complexity of needing an official CoverCorp TranslatorTM to act as a middleman slowing things down further.
You think someone like fucking Gura could handle this while streaming? Her NEET ass is likely socially drained for a month or two after something like that.

>>33494321
Post where we can find evidence that isnt just conjectures, speculation, vague statements and memes.

>>33488432
No she isn't wtf are you talking about

>this is an exaggeration
>it's blown out of proportion
I am happy for you that you never had the displeasure of working with a Japanese company at any point in your life

>>33485959
>I guess the EN managers really are once again useless.
Didn't they fire all their EN managers after Council and now it's only the ones that live in japan?

>>33492448
I think a lot of people dislike or don't care about Kiara

>>33491340
He graduation baits as a joke, he's never done it to "get his way." He's said before he'll never quit unless he's fired.

>>33496120
All the EN managers were in Japan to begin with.

>>33496272
So that's why he can just talk openly about being a kemoshota lover on his stream. Kinda based.

>>33494970
I don't have them on me but it's not a rrat, it's been distributed here. Basically as a JP company they're obligated to report a small financial statement for government records, which is then available to the public for a fee. Some /#/schizo went and paid the fee. It's not super involved but it does detail revenue vs expenses and total profit.

>>33494321
yeah I don't understand why they don't just go to coverinsider.info and just read all the internal practices explained in meticulous detail

>>33497075
I'd like two rrats please !

>>33494853
That "bizarre obsession" isn't just cause. They are paving the way to be a multimedia company. They may want to be the next Touhou.

>>33485660
He's 100% right, vesper is incapable of exaggeration

>>33497264
gotta pump up those doujin numbers first

>>33497264
>Touhou
lol
Touhou can do it because there's nothing to license.
Meanwhile at Cover, most of the output is from the talents themselves and out of their own pocket.

>>33494365
Astel is flat ass broke. He's been putting in so much money into his projects this year he's had to allocate his actual monthly salary to them. And since Cover didn't tell JP about EN debuting, it kind of messed up all the budgeting he did (ie Astel viewers/members leaving for EN and thus he makes less money).

>>33497734
how do we save StarsJP bros...

>>33497565
>most of the output is from the talents themselves and out of their own pocket
But it all ends up being attached to the same character, which is Cover's IP, anyway, doesn't it? Cover seems pretty lenient with her license. HoloCure exists.

>>33497358
Not really a fair comparison. Touhou is like 25 years old.

>>33492233
>Rushia got fired following a massive boyfriend yab.
I really wish people would stop listening to dramatubers. She got fired for breaking NDA by leaking private discord messages from her manager to Korekore

>>33497911
Cure exists because they make 0 money from it.
I can go ahead and spend thousands of dollars on Touhou songs in rhythm games.

>>33485082
who the hell gives a fuck about chuuba birthday merch every time
who buys that shit

>>33497734
>It came to me in a dream

>>33485082
>He estimates that on average, simply planning and discussing birthday merch can take up to 100 HOURS of the talent's time.
now apologize to her for calling her lazy, when she's battling Cover to do her shit

>>33498102
I get your point, but, original Touhou songs, or original songs (by other people) inspired by Touhou?

>>33487126
To be fair, Axel said he did either like 100 or 1000 takes (can't remember which) when he was recording for his latest cover because he wanted to get it just right, so that could actually be true in his case. Axel has kind of a relaxed attitude towards streaming, but he's a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to his music content.

>>33486976
That's Japanese corporate culture. It takes a long time to get anything done because nobody wants to be ultimately responsible. Yes one dude could just sign off and go "Ok we'll run with that" but they're terrified of being accountable if anything goes wrong.

>>33498094
>I really wish people would stop listening to dramatubers
I think my brain is on par with rushia's because I've never made that connection. Suddenly all the retarded posts that I have previously assumed were bait make sense.

>>33498263
grown ups are talking chumpedo, shoo shoo

>>33498211
Merch is big money for them especially stars who have a lot of fans that buy a ton of merch
Like even for Tempus I saw a LOT of girls who bought one of each Tempus shirt per color

>>33498220
It's stuff he talks about himself in streams, mostly members. He talked about being broke after his 2nd anni as well, because besides the initial budget Cover provides them, anything extra is paid by the talents. Astel has also been working on a murder mystery TRPG that he's commissioned art, music, and possibly even a translation for. Cover doesn't pay for any of that since it's a personal project. And he's giving his fans the first part completely free.

>>33498951
>Astel has also been working on a murder mystery TRPG that he's commissioned art, music, and possibly even a translation for.
That shit's never a good investment.

>>33498367
Gaaaay. Sure you're not responsible for the bad things, but you're not responsible for the cool and good stuff either.
Take the risk, salaryman!

>>33485082
Is this a nijiseethe thread? I genuinely cant tell with these anti threads being made by the hour
Are they seething now because their shitty livers can only sell keychains with stolen art? I dont read retarded posts

>>33499107
Yeah, there's no such thing as a 'profitable' TTRPG these days unless you're running the tightest indie ship possible or you're a giant conglomerate like WotC.

That said he might not care about profit. I know if I had the thousands of USD to spare I'd totally publish a TTRPG just to fulfill my dream of doing so.

>>33499262
(You)

>>33499224
>Take the risk, salaryman!
Unless you're at the top of the food chain, I think a single failure can kill forever every prospect of going up in the corpo ladder.

>>33486279
That second one just descrined Kiara.

Come on people, merch is a huge income for Cover / hololive members. And they have merch usually like twice a year, birthday and anniversary. It's only natural that they wanna do a lot of back and forths to make sure they come up with the best ideas and designs to maximize the number of people who might get interested and buy the merch. Why do you compare it to ordering business cards or some custom company promotional goods?

>>33500077
This confirms that Kiara is not a woman

>>33498263
She should battle deez nuts

>>33499107
>>33499307
The plot is lore-related, it covers what happened on his ship before he crashed on Earth. He likes TTRPGs so he probably just wanted to tell that story through that medium.

>>33486664
>Earpiece during streams
Ssg cover corp. Learning from the best. Now they just need to force overtime and not pay their streamers!

>>33498094
is that why her vods/videos are deleted even though the channel stil exists?

>>33500706
What's your logic here? What are you trying to imply?

>>33500492
You do know that was hyperbole right, they're not even watched that closely with everything they've gotten away with so far and even Magni said it was the first time management suggested he not do something when he was picking hardcore for subnautica
If they did that Polka would quit on the spot since that's literally what upd8 did to her

>>33500903
>imply
huh? im asking if the nda is the reason for that, coco's channel is still up even though she upset china

>>33501267
Oh yeah. Coco didn't break NDA, she wasn't fired. Rushia was.

>>33501267
Go to sleep, boy. There are classes tomorrow.

>>33501204
Anon, it was an upd8 reference joke...
I don't even watch Tempus outside of clips

>>33501267
god you dont know anything uh?? go back

>>33485266
Fpbp

>>33501267
Haachama and Fubuki are still around even though they also upset China, your point?

>>33501267
do your reps newfag-chama

>>33487293
Japan uses condoms
Condoms!

>>33500108
Because you already have the character and you know you have to theme it around the character or have a picture of the character on it.
'I want a drinking mug with characteristics of my character'
'I want a body pillow with my character printed on it but in undies'
'I want a boob mousepad but with my character on it'
You can only go so many ways with common merch. Nendoroids of a character will always be Nendos, etc.

>neet thinks having to do actual work equates to "OMG A HUNDRED HOURS THIS IS LITERALLY SLAVERY"

I'm gonna side with corp here no cap

100 hours that is indeed a lot of time, so my estimate is 15 to 20 days when they organize stuff like this then

>>33502408
>t. elderly japanese businessman on his phone standing in front of a fax machine

>>33486506
You mean meaningless work when they could be doing something else for work with those wasted hours.

>>33499224
RUMAO. They don't care WHO you are and WHAT you've done for them in the past. A single misstep will net you a demeaning corner job made to demotivate you into quitting.

>>33503464
Dang, it's that bad eh?
Japan is a weird place, but I guess if you were really gunning for the top you'd go an entrepreneurial route.
Promote yourself to competition salaryman sama!

>>33485082
Considering at least some of the aspects in question it makes sense
>Artist contracts + NDAs + ensuring said artist has the time and can get what you need done on time + covering payments
>Probably checking the validity and cost of any more extensive merch ideas
While I think 100 hours is an exaggeration most of it would be a fuck ton of red tape and discussion while the creative process is significantly less.

>>33486128
I could see it for a first time cover or a perfectionist, but there's no way that the talents who put out monthly covers like Okayu take that long.

>>33509459
That's because you get used to how everything works as time goes on and you go through the process multiple times. You know what forms to fill out, you know what will be brought up in the discussions and can cover them ahead of time. Once you know the process you can streamline it like crazy because you know what each step is.

>>33485082
anon I came to watch vtubers to laugh, I didn't want a course in economics.

>>33485082
>trusting anything this faggot says

>>33509459
I'm guessing there's no streamline process for shit like cover song or projects, so when a Holo brings up a project proposal to management, it'd sit around in their mailbox for 2 weeks before getting kicked back for failing to fill out form DD-1312 and signed by 3 people in completely different timezones. If you're an old timer then it's a minor inconvenient, but for a newbie who doesn't speak Japanese it'll frustrate them to the point they'd just give up instead.
Marine and Suisei used to have to really push their managers to constantly check on their emails because communication falls through the crack if you expect every party does their due diligence. Sounds like if you want something done, you will have to constantly badger management and do all the legworks until you get a definite "yes"

>>33510817
But enough about when your father said he was leaving for milk

>>33511784
>homobeggars are redditards
literally can't make this shit up

>>33486506
>>33486841
No one is complaining about them working, it's about them having to spend dozens of hours on pointless busywork to make a tshirt or mug instead of streaming. When indies and small corpos can stream 12 hours a day but we have constant dead hours because they have to wait for a translator or stay up past midnight for a manager meeting, then yeah it obviously affects us.

>>33485082
Now I don't even blame Gura for being burned out if it's like this.

>>33512166
That was globaltard speech though.

>>33486531
Proof?

>>33486664
Meds

>>33485082
>Many rounds of back and forth with Cover
>Loads of paperwork
>All communication going through one of Cover's approved translators (unless you speak JP yourself)
This is pretty normal for a Japanese company. I don't see why you make this pout to be like something big and new

>>33492321
It's the voice

>>33494853
Anycolor had it worst with forcing their talents to do idol shit when they just want to play games

>>33489113
>men never lie for clout
Ogey retard

>>33487745
no

wtf you have to actually work to make a living????

>>33485082
this is expected in corpo vtuber esp japanese corpo like Cover and Anycolor.
I only watch Niji and they always say how busy they are off stream not only for organizing stream, collabs, paperworks, voice packs, sponsorships, checking copyright, they always planning things 2 weeks to 1 month ahead apparently, and other things that they dont mention.

>>33485082
>Cover is able to turn simple merch design conversations into a 100-hour ordeal for the talents
And they were right to do so since now we know that retards like Mumei need to be tard wrangled into being normal. A fucking nazi Germany reference. And you can't spend even a minute if your time for some quality control?

>>33488088
>Noel is losing her hearing too
QRD?

>>33520692
^This.
There's also Rio(StarsJP) problem with a giga retard developer who tried to strike the gameplay of his game with him having full permissions from the company, which later apologized to him on twitter.

>>33509214
>Artist contracts + NDAs + ensuring said artist has the time and can get what you need done on time + covering payments
How does that even remotely contribute to 100 hours of work? Communication like this can be spread out over a long period of time, sure, but it's a couple 5 minute emails here and there, especially when you operate as a company that contracts a lot of artists and have established standard procedures.

>>33521446
they are being siphoned of life by her tits

>>33497264
if they want to challenge 2hu, they may as well close up shop already

>>33487396
Coco yabbed constantly and would do shit like hang Kanata from a tree. She was a sponsorship disaster waiting to happen.

>>33485082
>open communication with corporate
>necessary legal papers provided by corporate
>paid translator provided by corporate
wtf is OP's complaint here? Sounds to me like he has it nice.

>>33485082
Another thread for Nijifags to larp in. Wonderful.

This is very interesting and explains a lot of otherwise mysterious data points. It makes sense why things like getting perms are treated like herculean tasks, because in hololive they are.

>>33485082
I hate his fake Chinese laugh

>>33490099
Reminder that she was blocked from asking for collabs at the beginning, was only able to be invited by someone else first, she appearing on Aquas Dadada tenshi was one of her first collabs cause Aqua asked her

>>33503464
Yokoi was assassinated by Yamauchi's friends from the yakuza. Nobody can convince me otherwise.

>>33525920
It was obvious from day one.

>>33498263
>people with an actual job in the same company all stream more

>>33523871
I never said that they want to challenge Touhou.

>>33526605
she volunteers with animals (:

>>33486778
The manager must be a colossal retard then, since he collabed with an open racist.

>>33489627
>>33489835
one of the random exploring the overworld songs in skyrim is copyrighted too because who the fuck knows why

>>33526704
if you want to be the next 2hu you have to kill the current 2hu. there can be only one 2hu

>>33527955
Guess so. A better wording would've been "they want the company to be Touhou-like"

>>33498263
I never did, I knew there were a lot of shenaningans behind the scenes, just didn't know how much exactly

>>33485082
>He estimates that on average, simply planning and discussing birthday merch can take up to 100 HOURS of the talent's time.
So this is why HoloEN doesn't stream. Imagine the time that could have been spent on streaming - wasted on bitching about stupid shit like merch instead. Why are women like this?