/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>33465396
>other companies

>>33465396
>trusting a single word from her tiny whore mouth
DYRBI?

>>33465449
it fits your narrative, so you're obliged to beleeb it.

>>33465449
Why are ksharts/vshojocucks like this?

>>33465396
Is this the contract that she would have signed with twitch, aren't they big faggots about streaming on YouTube?

>>33465396
Post full clip with context.

>>33465449
Please believe my wife, i beg you.

>>33465532
she's a known liar. Any time she clicks the button to turn on the "tears" for her model, what she says should be discounted immediately. I've never seen a vshojo stream in my life. Are you trying to pretend she isn't a highly documented pathological liar?

>>33465396
The other thread isnt even dead yet you shitter

>>33465396
TALENT FREEDOM btw

>>33465396
Ayy, post da clip, I mean the twitch clip, for timestamp.

>>33465449
I always trust individual streamers over corporate boot lickers vshojofags or kson

>>33465649
back hurts

>>33465584
Yeah but also consider, vshojo bad.

>>33465396
>I'll get fired
damn black company

>>33465649
You didn't trust Mike when she said Cover was bad.

>>33465546
Her personal contract might be like that, though it came out recently that twitch contracts only ever forbid multi streaming, not if people streamed on different platforms.
But twitch support and partner support were intentionally vague about it to keep people from streaming on other platforms.

>>33465728
Need correction

>start new branch from scratch with one other person
>have around 5k views on Twitch and tons of paypigs
>doesnt have to split donation and subscription money

>>33465546
Around a week or two after her debut on Twitch, they change their rules and it's now possible to stream on both YouTube and Twitch with a special contract. She got hard fucked kek.

>>33465817
And she's still saying it's too little.

>>33465866
The amount she's getting must be really bad then

How long till she will start blaming Kson for everything, Keyfags already started doing it

She probably cannot stream on YouTube under a new company for year because of Cover black company contracts. Twitch was probably s loophole.

>>33465396
>its in my contract if I tell you ill get fired
so chinks can learn after all

>>33465396
>Company and 9 streamers isn't profitable as companies of 71 idols

Who could have seen that coming?
Anyways, just needs to buckle down and work her ass off like the OGs before her.

>>33465866
She also said she's broke after she was fired, so ...

>>33465593
that's how they shill their dying vtuber

>>33465944
She also said she doesn't have a lot of money like about a year ago while she was still in a relatively good standing in hololive

>>33465396
>Had a mental break down and ruined her Hololive gig
>Had no real fall back in life so instantly went indie route to try and hold herself and her paypigs together
>Only the biggest whales stayed all those small dollars that made up a large chunk of her income fled like fleas from a rotting carcass
>Realizes she can't hack it as an indie
>Joins the first corpo that hasn't black listed her +"Talent Freedom"
>Contract says its a big no no to talk about certain things
>corpo did not pan out those corpo dollara like her old company
Oh Rushia your own retardation brought you to this point and nothing more

>>33465944
She was getting $1+ million from SC alone according to Playboard.

If she's broke it's entirely her own fault.

>>33465922
that art style is horrific, holy shit

>>33465944
I can't imagine a scenario where that could've possibly been the case that doesn't involve her being extraordinarily terrible with money

>>33465396
*yawn*. amerimutt here, good morning. shouldn't be checking /vt/ this early

Next stop: Nijisanji

>>33466008 (me)
never mind, it's still shockingly bad but Roboco belly

>>33465396
>Daily Mail tier clickbait title

>>33465944
Hurry up and send her some money, otherwise she might starve to death

Why doesn't she naked dogeza in front of Yagoo, apologise for five generations of her family, offer all of her money and possessions and beg and cry and whine to be let back into Hololive?

>>33466055
I can’t tell which is a further fall from grace.

>>33465396
that's interesting anon, so where is the full stream/clip?

>>33465980
She made more money than Coco, and Kson said she's rich and doesn't care about money anymore, she hired her own full-time manager and spends a bunch of money on random models and outfits, art, commissions, and other shit.
>>33466011
Spending her entire paycheck to go after antis.

>>33465944
She probably has a borderline or bipolar personality disorder, unironically

This is why you should consult your lawyer before signing any contracts.

>hehe, take that fancucks and keksons apoligist!!!

>>33466202
Pekora's monkeys?

>>33466158
If she somehow actually is starving after everything, then she deserves it and nobody should be trying to help her out of this scenario.

>>33465449
Not really, but I don't trust kson or vshojo either, so..

>>33466116
She wanted to but she was already fired in the 19th of February. That's why she tried to kill herself.

>>33466158
So that's the reason she is getting worse after leaving Cover.. Since he hired her own manager now, there's no one to control her when the menhera started.

Kson probably will regret that helped this excolleague

>>33466171
She trusted Kson

>>33466293
She's happier now, actually. Keep doing your English reps.

>>33466272
Now that's a rrat, it would also explain why her personal manager didn't stop her.

>>33465396
Her contract with VShojo probably says she has to be a Twitch Partner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvQ1_3q_d4Q

I don't trust some dude's translation of out of context statements posted without the source.

>>33465396
>still complaining about how everything is not "how she thought it'd be"
Fucking hell girl can't you do anything else than complaining? I know this thread is bait but if she's already starting to talk about muh contracts and shit I feel like it won't be long before she does something retarded again.

>>33466348
Rrat how? She literally said she tried to kill herself.

>>33465396
>It has to do with my contract
>If I say it, I'll get fired
I thought VShojo isn’t a company and only provides support services, so talent can do whatever they want?

>>33466299
>trusting kikeson of america
big mistake on her part then

>>33466377
it's not 'some dude's' translation, it's her own stream translation. I understand the caution but this particular instance is pretty true to form

>>33466423
It's part of VShojo's contract to not publicly badmouth VShojo

>I am going to sue my 5ch anti!
>Hello I am Mikeneko's lawyer. This is my twitter if you have any question do message me.
>One week later.....
gawk gawk~

>>33465892
I watched some of her streams, at the time it seemed to me that she was pretty unfamiliar with Twitch and I thought to myself that she's not adapting fast enough to the different platform and that this could impact her earnings. So is this really about her contract or is it just that she's unable to earn as much as she wanted to?

>>33466377
The actual context is she had a menhera breakdown because there weren't that many English comments in her chat recently.
>>33466423
They can, VShojo isn't stopping her from streaming on Youtube. She doesn't even stream there as Mike.

>>33465396
Kson is literally the Anakin of Vtubing

reminder do not trust nazuna she's a crackwhore and she always lie kson should talk to her this woman is nuts

>>33465852
Nothing has changed, you got gaslit. The problem here is that vshojo is essentially twitch company and their contracts reflect that.

>write some text on a stream screenshot in paint
>post it to /vt/

Please watch Risu's 3D Showcase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxnwBm49egM

>>33466360
Kson literally told everyone and their mothers that Nazuna's a twitch partner >>33466360

>>33466055
No japanese company will hire her again

>>33466546
>she had a menhera breakdown because there weren't that many English comments in her chat recently

Since VShojo is shelling out the money for a live translator, they've probably set up a minimum English audience she has to reach or else they take away the live translator.

So she's scared of not meeting the quota.

>>33466693
for >>33466546

This is why you don't put your dick in crazy.

>>33466690
Oh shit, thanks for the reminder anon

>>33466617
Okay, but I’m not trusting Kson, either.

Both Kikeson and Whoreshia are known liars. Can't trust either. If I had to guess, Kikeson probably did rope Whoreshia into vshojo with the "everything is perfect here, don't worry about a thing goy" promise, but Whoreshia is now greatly exaggerating what problems she might have.

>>33466693
>>33466759
Kson was incorrect. She was not a partner at that time, so there was nothing preventing her from streaming on Youtube other than a non-compete from Cover or her own menhera-ness.
>>33466748
Incorrect.
>>33466866
Cool slang, numberbro.

so this is how she became no 1 sc earner in hololive....

>>33466719
What about that israeli company?

>>33466995
Kek. Probably would fit in with them jews

>>33466954
>a non-compete from Cover
There's no such thing.

>>33466546
If a fleshtuber(let's say XQC) were to stream under an avatar, or even without any facecam under another name, on YouTube, would they get into some problems with Twitch's policy or not?

>>33466954
This anon know more than Kson who brought mike into Vshojo. Wow

>>33467072
She's his wife so he knows her the best. The people she knows in real life and talks to in private? They know nothing.

>>33466954
>Kson was incorrect
source: my ass

>>33466954
>She was not a partner at that time
That doesn't matter if she was at that time. It was decided the moment she joined vshojo.

>>33466272
And failed at that too wtf Rushia just jump in front of truck-kun at that point

>>33465396
get scamazzed lmao

>>33467212
I wonder if Nyanners and Melody will dab on her next for maximum effect

>>33467046
>it came to me in a dream
>>33467063
There is no restriction from Twitch anymore for which platform partners can stream on. As long as they aren't "dual streaming" or whatever you want to call that.
>>33467072
>>33467167
Twitch partnership status is public knowledge, dipshits. See here:
https://twitter.com/Twitchchanges/status/1567262590052564999
Note the date, it's a while after that clip.

>>33467347
Nyanners will do it the next time she's on Kiara's stream

>>33467406
>it came to me in a dream
Right back at you, schizo. Where's the proof of this non-compete?

>>33465396
Ye, something fishy is going on, she obviously wants to stream on youtube

>>33467347
Mel raided her during the stream. Nazuna asked if she'd been stripping. Was kino.

>>33467406
>There is no restriction from Twitch anymore for which platform partners can stream on. As long as they aren't "dual streaming" or whatever you want to call that.
It was always like that unless you got exclusivity written in the contract. Considering who founded vshojo, it's pretty much given Mike is locked to Twitch.

>>33465396
I think Cover prevent her stream as Vtuber in Youtube. Mikeneko is Pngtuber

>>33465396
Vshojo has a partnership contract with Twitch, which is why they are always protected from Yab stuff, so if Chuba streams on YT, it would breach the contract between Vshojo and Twitch.

>>33467406
>Note the date, it's a while after that clip.
It's 2 weeks after the clip.

It's not like becoming a Twitch Partner is an immediate process, she probably started the application process a while ago, and once it was finalized it went public and the tracker picked it up.

https://www.twitch.tv/p/en/partners/faq/ says 2-4 weeks just to hear back.

You also probably need to be in good standing to be accepted, so it's not like Nazuna could just do anything she wanted prior to her formally become a Twitch Partner.

>>33467767
Are you retarded?

>>33467470
Process of elimination. VShojo has no restrictions on which platforms the talent uses, several of them have accounts on a porn site even. Multiple stream on Youtube.

Twitch also has no restrictions anymore as of a couple weeks ago.

There is only one logical option remaining.
>>33467730
Incorrect. Affiliates (the monetized accounts that are below partners) had no such restrictions, but Partners had an exclusivity clause unless they had a specially negotiated contract.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/twitch-partners-multiple-platforms-youtube-facebook-rcna44477

>>33467730
>>33467780
But kson, ironmouse, nyanners and zentreya have all streamed on youtube since vshojo started.
As for protection from 'Yab stuff' - melody, nyanners and veibae have all had bans from twitch

>>33467953
I don't understand, so you are trying to tell me that Cover is preventing Nazuna from streaming on youtube?

Waah i thought i could bleed incels out of money from both mikeneko and nazuna account. Waah the injustice fuck kson hey incel im gonna kill myself please gimmie money!
- rushia

>>33468049
Cover is an evil company and they have clauses like that in their contracts. She can only stream on Youtube as Mikeneko but not Nazuna.

>>33467953
>Incorrect.
Incorrect. Lumi from Phase started streaming on YT even before the announcement and if you google you can find questions how partnership works even 5 years ago. There is plenty of examples for both exclusive and not exclusive contracts, but you cannot force somebody to not share the content they produced on other platforms unless they explicitly agree to that.

>>33465396
Don't manipulate what my wife is saying you retard

>>33465898
She was already streaming on YouTube though

>>33466008
Yeah, it's like the artist spent most of their life practicing frog facial anatomy and suddenly tries to draw people.

>>33467934
No, why asked?
Delutaya also wait for year to have real Vtuber body what if Cover prevents her in the first place?

>>33465396
>clipfag
>doesn't provide clip
>last thread was fake

>>33467909
Applying for partner doesn't make you a partner. Partner applicants do not have any restrictions anyway. Kson was wrong, end of story. Someone literally told her about it her next stream and she said "oh I didn't know she wasn't a partner".
>>33468049
Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause
>>33468323
>someone broke the rules and got away with it
Good for whoever the fuck that is, but that doesn't change anything.

>>33468049
Yes because this is only logical conclosion remain.

>>33468494
>Good for whoever the fuck that is, but that doesn't change anything.
You're retarded. That was one specific example. Why did you ignore the rest of the post?

>>33468466
your English is all over the place dude

>>33468494
>>33468606
I think you are retarded.
Her youtube channel exists.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5gs8EbpwbfQvrhizJx60TA

>>33467767
Mike has a model, what are you on?

>>33465866
while still getting monthly income from her YT memberships

>schizos schizing schizos
If you don't watch her stream, you deserve to have your (You)s stolen.

>>33468751
>The days of Twitch partner exclusivity are over. Twitch told partnered streamers in an email this morning that the platform was lifting its long-standing exclusivity agreement that denied partners the ability to stream on other services. Partners will now be able to stream on YouTube, Facebook Live, and other platforms — though in some cases, Twitch still limits what they’re able to do.

>“Starting today, you are now allowed to create live content on other platforms,” Twitch wrote to streamers.

>>33466390
>>33465449
>trust

she didn't deserve this...

>>33465396
Her translator can barely keep up with her saying "Hello everyone," why did you make it look like this happened at a natural conversational speed?

>>33468826
There are no streams there, Anon.

>>33469096
Fubuki said that her termination was supposed to be announced sooner. It was her short trip to the hospital that made them delay it.

>>33469347
That's right, there are no streams.
Do not come to /vsj+/.
Do not start posting random alphanumeric strings into YouTube urls.

>>33469065
https://twitter.com/DevinNash/status/1562217364699189248

>>33465396
the translator is a literal amateur retard. he can merely translate 20-30% of what shes talking. most are skipped.

>>33465396
She's not talking about vshojo here since it isn't a company

>>33469838
VShojo is not a place. Never was.

>>33465396
>contract explicitly forces her to stream on twitch
Wait a second, what happened to "talent freedom"???????

>>33470328
are you saying amerimutt niggers have such a thing? if they had the woke army instantly would have to be cancelled.

>>33470328
OP forgot to post the clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_lAb8m9MpI

>>33470328
Your only talent freedom is being able to say PEEPEE POOPOO every stream, be grateful

>>33469135
Kson literally used her as an asset to negotiate her exclusive contract full of benefits with Vshojo. No wonder she feels like that.

>>33471019
you reek of chink

To get monetized immediately they got her a partnership agreement on twitch. It is what it is.

>>33469135
She absolutely did.

>>33470328
It's Cover's contract, not VShojo's.

>>33469135
Should have done JAVs instead of joining another black company
Her remaining fans would love it

>>33465396

ルーシャ、お父さんはハムスター、お母さんはエルダーベリーの香り。私はあなたの方に向かっておならをします。

>>33471115
Its time to go back faggot.

>>33465396
Why does it feel like she's gonna do something stupid again and getting kicked

>>33471934
自分を殺す

>>33472251
Full exposure of Talent Freedom contract would be pure kino and I would forgive her sins personally

>>33469135
It's over for her...

>>33469135
...Did she not read her contract before signing it? She can't possibly be that dumb.

>>33465396
Unless she's actually getting robbed and making less money than working at McDonald's full time. She should accept it and stfu because no other company will take her. Vshojo is basically her last chance.

>>33472783
When you have loyal cuck fans like >>33471661 defending everything you do, you start to believe you can do any dumb shit and get away with it

>>33468862
I don’t think the money that is going to that cover owned channel will have one cent going to nazuna

>>33472058
ching chong ping pong peng

>>33465892
Merch and sponsorships are by far the biggest money makers for Corpos and talents. The margins on voice packs are insane, and physical merch has lower margins but it's still good. Also someone leaked what MiHoYo paid/was willing to pay NijiEN males to shill their games, they were willing to pay Vox 280k Yuan (about 40k USD). Keep in mind Vshojo doesn't have the brand power for sponsorships (except Kson based on her Coco clout), and Vshojo gets 100% of merch sales in exchange for a full SC/Dono split, which is peanuts compared to merch.

>>33468494
So talking about her Cover contract will get her fired from vshojo? you must be retarded

>>33465396
She doesn't understand the twitch affiliate contract. Not surprising since she's retarded. She's also greedy if she thinks she'll get more money on youtube

>>33473357
Yeah people always focus on the stream donations because that’s the first thing that comes to mind, but it’s really nothing in the grand scheme of things. People take viewership and think that everyone with the same numbers makes the same money

>>33473822
Yes? They obviously don't want to get destroyed by Cover for having a streamer that's leaking information about a competitor she used to work for. They would fire her immediately and tell her to deal with the legal fallout herself.

>>33473822
I suppose it might if it leads to a lawsuit from Cover.

>>33467406
I see you working hard on damage control intern-kun. Keep up the good work

>>33466008
:<

>>33466719
Thing is they are chinese controlled

>>33466262
if its actually the case, then unironically the only thing that could help her is a husband with full control over the finances. Its a hard duty, but I'm willing to take it for the team. You guys can enjoy her streams in peace knowing I will manage her in all respects.

>>33466265
Kson is more trustworthy than Nazuna at the very least

>>33474208
K "VShojo is an indie company" son? That one?

>>33473156
Her mikeneko channel isn't Cover owned and the Cover channel doesn't have membership any more.

>>33473822
It's the new schizo narrative from Vshocucks. Because Cover totally prevented her from streaming on Youtube as Mikeneko.
>But that was as an indie and she's now in VShojo and that's totally different.
But I thought Vshojo was not a real company and all of its associates were just indies with a "helping network" behind them?

>>33474003
>>33474004
getting sued is not the same as getting fired, saying she would get sued is still a valid point to not talk about her contract.

>>33468466
You realize that Kson had a different VTuber chatacter even *while* being in Hololive?

>>33474450
Talking about Cover on her Vshojo stream is no doubt something they told her not to do under any circumstances. Their JP marketing might have been anti hololive, but they can't legally go that far.

What's stopping her from streaming on YT as Mike(Indie) and streaming on Twitch as Nazuna(vsj)?

>>33474632
nothing, that's what she's doing

>>33474626
>Talking about Cover on her Vshojo stream is no doubt something they told her not to do under any circumstances.
If that was the case we wouldn't have this thread, now would we?

>>33474632
nothing, she's just upset about her contract. makes me feel that kson screwed her over to get a better deal from vshojo.

Don't mind me, just here to laugh at fancucks.

>>33474720
She has said this kind of thing multiple times while saying "I can't say anything" so this is really nothing new outside of the fact that it's the first time she does it on Twitch as Nazuna.

I thought vshojo whores are indies???? contracts??? getting fired??? huh????????????????????????????

>>33474253
so?

>>33474253
vshojo is an org. An org on twitch is a union of streamers who pool resources together and work together to get things they need done. It's not a company like Japanese vtuber corps and isn't subject to those kinds of rules. What kson's repeatedly said is correct. Nazuna is literally an idiot who cannot comprehend advanced concepts and is mistaking her twitch partner contract for a vshojo contract and also doesn't understand the basics of it. Vshojo does not enforce rules on her, twitch however does have rules which she doesn't understand.

It's not that she can't stream on youtube, it's that she can't stream on both at the same time. Twitch vods and clips have a 24 hour exclusivity agreement before they can be put on youtube (this is also why a lot of other streamers have their own clip channels, and ask other clippers not to immediately re-upload stuff since twitch is retarded and will piss on you for something somebody else does). If vshojo has told her anything about not doing any of this, its probably just to keep her from fucking up. Because she is retarded. She doesn't even have a different obs login for nazuna and already accidentally used several stream elements between identities.

>>33474632
nothing, She can stream on youtube as nazuna too if she wanted

>>33468466
Delu waited because of her own mental issues and various stuff going on at home. She was going to debut her l2d last year and had a breakdown right beforehand. Still 2 more days for her to get cold feet.

>>33474989
Quick VShojo interns! Deflect by saying the contrat is from Cover somehow!!

>>33473357
>Vshojo gets 100% of merch sales
Lmao what the literally fuck how is this acceptable? are kson and mikeneko insane?

Come home, Michael Cat.

>>33465866
Well, it will be little compared to her heydays, even compared to her last year. Right around last month, she should have another merchs coming up too for her debut anniversary. That's another hundreds of thousands

I'm willing to bet that if she's ever able to become green necromancer again, she will take it.

>>33465396
Why do you have to sign a contract when joining a group of friends?
Vshojo sisters?

>>33475218
You somehow didn't realize until now?

>>33475231
>Right around last month, she should have another merchs coming up too for her debut anniversary.
She wouldn't see that money until the stuff is produced and shipped though, and that takes around 4 to 5 months.

>>33475252
If money is involved you always sign a contract. The amount of "friends" who owe me money is why I don't lend anything anymore.

>>33475047
shouldn't she have, a lawyer reading this out to her and/or having his secretary type it up in a way she can understand for herself?

>>33465396
Feels like she is used by that whores (including trannyson) and waiting for the contract expire so can stream in YT, nothing in this world going to make me watch her in that mentally ill site...

If you're a Twitch partner, you can't stream on Youtube. I don't expect pagpag munchers to know that though, since they don't watch streams.

>>33474895
Yeah. I'm amazed how literally people here take the words from a woman so menhera she previously managed to get herself fired because of it.

>>33473357
I'm convinced they had no lawyers while signing and the contract was written in spanish somehow.

Wait why didnt Vshojo just get Mike in the first place instead of debuting nazuna in vshojo?

>>33475061
He is one step ahead of you >>33475047
Now she is mistaking twitch's contract for a vshojo contract somehow.

>>33475419
Twitch just updated their terms recently which means you can now stream on youtube. Dont know about her contract with Vshojo though.

>>33475419
Old news, I don't expect pagpag munchers to know that though, since they don't watch streams.

>>33475218
What's so strange about that?

>>33475419
twitch already dropped that rule, you just cant stream on both twitch and youtube at the same time
you are dumber than pekora's monkey

>>33475047
She also can't stream on Youtube, because Twitch determined Youtube (and Facebook Live) as competitors. She can stream on Tiktok and Instagram though.

Source is the twitter link above

>>33475218
>Vshojo gets 100% of merch sales
you shouldn't believe any anons on this imageboard unless he posts source to his claims

>>33475047
>vshojo is an org
Wait I thought VShojo wasn't a corporation and just a group of indies under a common name.
Make up your minds vsjcucks.

>>33475366
Yeah, but that's on her. Twitch partner contracts are unilaterally the same for smaller partners and you can only really negotiate better terms if you're a bigger streamer. her past history gave pull for that, but that's also not proof she would have similar numbers on twitch (as she now has a fraction of those numbers proves). You can re-negotiate whenever though, or wait for the contract renewal. She should also have a direct twitch contact for any questions regarding streaming on other platforms she can talk to. If she's unaware of this then that's also on her.

>>33475419
https://youtu.be/uNVV1imefJA
Bitch is too powerful

>>33475720
she's clearly unaware of many things any streamer should be... Cover must have been very VERY kind to her to be so....fully trusting.

>>33475711
"Vshojo" is a state of mind, you can call it whatever you want.

people say that she cant stream on youtube because cover made all their talents sign something after coco graduated that places some restrictions on them for a period of time after they leave

>>33475630
That's for simultaneous streaming. The general partner contract doesn't prevent you from streaming on other platforms entirely, it's just about the monetization on them and timing of the streams. You have to sign an exclusivity agreement for that, in which case twitch should already be paying out big. I don't think nazuna is big enough for them to have wanted an exclusive contract though, that's for the super big fucks with 6 digit watchers regularly.

>>33475890
but she was able to stream as mike though

>>33467780
Pink Cat (Bad) does so called alt-stream on Youtube from time to time.

Im a fandead and i think cover should have have stepped in more quickly especially when she was one of their top talents.
But I think this current drama right now has more to do with kson either screwing her over to get a bigger cut or kson not understanding/explaining the contract more to her.

>>33473357
>>33475218
>Vshojo gets 100% of merch sales
They don't. If they did they'd have more merch available. Also the girls would have no interest in shilling it for them if they didn't get a cut. VShojo and the talents share merch and sponsor money. The girls can also produce and sell their own merch independently and keep all money from that.

>>33475890
rrat squashed by Mikeneko actually streaming there afterwords.
I wouldn't be surprised if a Noncompete clause existed that prevented from streaming as Nazuna (part of a competitor) on Youtube for a certain amount of time, along with her not being allowed to stream as Mikeneko on Youtube because of Vshojo or Twitch rules.

>>33475711
Because it's not a corporation, it's still an organization though. It's like OTK except instead of mizkif, esfang and rich running everything vshojo has mowtendo and that other dude running things so the women don't have to do anything.

>>33474618
No, She stream with real face at that time she only use Vtuber face in Mildom after graduation

>>33476060
That only applies to people who own their models and not nazuna.

>>33476027
You posted this exact same thing in /#/. Nobody believes you, holofag.

>>33476099
>Noncompete clause existed that prevented from streaming as Nazuna (part of a competitor) on Youtube for a certain amount of time
that's what I think it is

>>33474618
No, retard stop lying
She used real face or stream in Mildom

>>33476149
She owns her model. Her simps helped her design it. They all own their models.

>>33476171
I posted it here because people were sucking cover cock in that thread you retarded faggot.

so let's assume everything
>twitch partners due to recent change of terms can stream wherever they want, not simultaneously though
>mike is menhera
>most likely due to being on the spectrum with sub80IQ, Mike got confused and due to her schizophrenic nature heard some voices in her head that said "you can't stream on YouTube" and we had that unarchived stream

>>33465396
Lying about Mikeneko is pretty risky business these days. She's learning english, and she's happy to sue.

>>33476197
That's 100% what it is. There's no reason for Vshojo to enforce a clause like this on one of their talents. The restriction is from the Cover side, full stop.

>>33476217
>She owns her model
Why didnt they get mike if thats the case.

Talent """"""""freedom"""""""""

>>33476217
Having input on the design doesn't make you the owner

>>33476149
Everyone in Vshojo owns their own model. That's kind of the point.

>>33476292
>Vshojo cant even contest a clause like that.
Damn they really are useless.

>>33476322
why did they get hime instead of syd?
some people want to compartmentalize their stuff

>>33476322
Because she didn't want mike. She had nazuna made based on what her fans liked.

>>33476395
honestly if vshojo cant even contest something like this i have strong reservations of how much help they will provide kson and nazuna

>>33476359

>>33476322
They would need everyone involved in the creation of the mikeneko avatar to fully sign and waive IP and copyright ownership for their work to consider that. and it's probably just not worth tracking them all down to sign agreements about it. This way they couldn't have somebody pop up a year later suing for money they think they're owed because it was made on the back of their unpaid work or "work." You can thank Harmony Gold raping the macross license for decades for this level of precaution from Japanese companies

>>33476395
I mean vshojo doesnt really have any obligation to help rushia in that area so the blame lies more on rushia than vshojo

>>33475890
I agree
They can't stream as Vtuber but PNGtuber only and that suicide.

TWITCH is only loophole of this silence rule.

Holotard still can't understand Pngtuber and Vtuber

>>33476395
>>33476523
Are you retards seriously mad at them for not taking legal action against cover over a clause that may or may not exist?

>>33476603
yeah honestly this this whole incident is caused by nazuna and cover and has nothing to do with vshojo. its just cover corpo bootlickes who want to drag vshojos name in this shitshow that wants this.

>>33476395
small indie friends/org/club/gang pls andastand

>>33475959
>PNGtuber not count

>>33476664
But anons here are saying that the clause does exist and is the cause for her not being able to stream in youtube?

>>33473357
>Also someone leaked what MiHoYo paid/was willing to pay NijiEN males to shill their games, they were willing to pay Vox 280k Yuan (about 40k USD).
interested in seeing the source for this, its the first time i have read anything about it at all following NijiEN closely since day 1

>>33476140
>>33476210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRcJhh_6_vY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZQJSRd9NNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBIwXtYwsU
etc.

So that's her real face on Mildom, yes?

>>33475783
Wait for the mega autismo chinks to change that

Hololive really fired this bitch because she's fucking crazy, so crazy that not even the amount of money she was bringing was worth it. She literally pretended to kill herself by throwing her phone and streamed it.
The fools at vshojo thought she just triggered some incel spergs by having a boyfriend. Now they'll learn too.

>>33476834
>retard doesn't know she streams with a live 2D Mikenyan on Youtube after fans sponsored one for her

>>33476277
I wish her good luck if she's trying to sue people from all over the world.

>>33476864
Retard
I said Real face on Youtube
And Kumijou on Mildom.

> She can use Vtuber in Mildom not Youtube after graduation for period of time.

> use 2 years ago steream for lying
KYS asshole

>>33476570
That doesn't mean that she owns the model she uses.
It has to be "her IP" to begin with before she can "keep her IP".
This group of hers sounds more and more like a scam the more you tell me about it.

>>33477054
> Retard doesn't know she has lawsuit negotiation with Cover and she stop use it completly after had conclusion

>>33476855
searching the archive all i can see mentioning this supposed thing with Vox is the post in this thread and another unsourced one from a day or two ago
https://archive.alice.al/vt/search/text/mihoyo%20vox/
so going to have to call this bullshit unless someone can actually provide a source

>>33476950
They really should've known from her sperging on Twitter as mikeneko before joining Holo

>>33477148
The fuck are you even talking about?
Also kumichou = real face

>>33477177
Everyone owns their own IP
>that's a scam
retard

I'm starting to believe that Mikeneko might have actually leaked some private chat between her and hololive members to Korekore....

>>33477350
They didn't care, Vshojo just wanted two well-known names in the JP scene to parade around as trophies to promote their new branch.

>>33477432
I mean Daigou and Kumijo are different
She used real face on YT after graduation( not fking 2 years ago)
She used Daigou ( Vtuber) on Mildom

>>33476721
I agree with you. People are trying to drag down the Vshojo name by trying to insert them in this drama when its clearly Nazuna and Cover both being retarded shits.

>>33477593
Source: the voices in my head.

>>33477552
And the dramafaggots haven't shared it yet because....?

>>33477593
Holobronies become evil like chinks now.

> They really forgot what /vt/ withstood for and become to be evil like bugmen.

How mighty diginity has fallen?

>>33477532
The scam is how you people, and supposedly the menhera too when she joined, believe that sentence makes her the owner of their model.

>>33477552
>private chat
that wasnt even the worse part if the japs rrat is to be believed its the part where some info could be used as doxx as to where they lived.
then again its called rrat for a reason so who knows.

>>33466164
yagoo was right

>>33477719

>>33477578
>call me a liar when I talk about what she did while in Hololive
>get mad at proof in the form of streams from the time when she was in Hololive

Did you even read what you were replying to in the first place? What point are you trying to prove here?

>>33477578
>he used real face on YT after graduation
She streamed twice as kumichou then she used her vtuber model

>>33477719
>>33477593
Nobody cares about your trashy whore tranny company. It's a fucking blight on the Vtuber industry.

>>33477660
Imagine being the dramafag who doxxed Holo member names and address. No big dramafag would touch that.

So does the schizo who insists everything is Cover's fault not know non-competes are unenforceable in Japan because they violate the constitution, or are they just shitposting

>>33466164
name one woman who doesnt

>>33477660
because if you actually doxx holo names and addresses there is a huge chance that some deranged fan will actually kill you for threatening the safety of his oshi especially if you are in japan.

>>33478093
? Why do you hate Vshoujo so much?

>>33477961
>when she was in Hololive
Retardchama

>>33478239

>>33477273
>retard doesn't know she still uses it she just doesn't keep the archived VODS
Your move faggot.

Other than NDAs would could she even be bound by if her contract was terminated lmao

>>33478239
>Nyanners
>Froot
>Vei
>Melody
>Zen
Why would anyone not hate VShojo?

>>33478391
Termination clauses my dude.

>>33478239
>CUM PISS COCK ANAL PENIS SEX VAGINA PUSSY ANUS

>>33478361
Bro if you think cover would stand against that lgbt shit you're beyond delusional. Being supportive of it is the global(!) standard practice lest you want to remove yourself from the western market entirely.

>>33478421
Why the fuck would you hate Melody or Zen

>>33478391
Nothing. The constitution of Japan makes it illegal to restrict who someone works for or what they do there once you're no longer employing them

>>33478144
They're Chinese

>>33478550
Why did you summarize matsuri?

>>33478421
You forgot

>Coco
>Rushia

>>33478144
Hmm

>>33478563
>b-but cover
>>33478637
>b-but matsuri and marine
This is why no one likes your Vshojocucks, own up to your company's flaws and don't deflect to others

>>33478660
This has been tested in court numerous times and the only time it's ever held up is when it was someone at C-level in a major corporation anon

>>33478361
> support LGBTQ+ and abortion
Ok, not like it but not hate for this
> Charity stream
good no problem here

>>33478421
Never watch Froot, Vei and pink cat ( I'm new in Vshoujo regard). Zen is edgy cringe sexy cybernetic. I actually like her

low effort rrat from chink bug

>>33478550
If you think this is unique to VShojo, you must be very new to VTubers.

>>33478799
Did I say that?

>>33478550
Matsuri
Marine
Mel
Choco
Noel
Haachama
Risu
Erofi

>>33478756
Isn't froot the one who openly admirted of cheating on her husband while he was risking his life overseas?

>>33478737
what do you think of ace attorney?

>>33478606
>Melody
defends sex "work", thinks Epic Games should let whores participate in their Fortnite events, posts pro-lgbt shit on her twitter
>Zen
uses TTS to hide the fact that they're male

>>33478828
>>33478709

>>33478709
Nigga don't try to hold a moral high ground when you're standing neck deep in the same shit. You cherry pick with Vei, I do with Matsuri. She's not even the sole example of this but you're too much of a newfag to know.
Own up to your own shit for once.

Kazuna is dumb and cute.

>>33478709
It's not flaw anon
Erolive not just a meme


Flaw is you who forget Hololive success from lewd thing and Seiso is never exist

>Cover totally has an Non Compete Clause that prevents her from streaming in YouTube.
>Source? Just trust me bro.
What the fuck even is this thread?

Shit's gotten ridiculous. Cover allows their talents to do whatever they want with their roommates. Look at Noel, Matsuri, Mel, Polka or even Kiara and Calli. B-B-but vtubing on roommate is different, you might say.
As many pointed out, Kson and Mike both already streamed as vtubers on youtube and did fine.
Now the next level cope is that Cover made them sign an agreement, after Coco's graduation that they are not allowed to stream as vtuber on youtube under another company. How is this shit in your head real or make any sense? Her contract got terminated by cover. It is non-existent at this moment. No way they can make such agreement and let it be legal. Mike is constantly throwing around her lawyer to sue every rrat on 5chan but she can't have her lawyer check agreements that have no legal standing?
The next point is that Nazuna said she would be fired FROM vshojo. How can some legal shit between Cover and her make Vshojo fire her? Cover a company in Japan while Vshojo a company in the US, just to remind you. Like she could just break the agreement and go for a settlement in court.
Stop it with the copium already. Nazuna is not talking about Cover.

>not one clip/timestamp of Nazuna in the thread
>284 posts
Why are Anons taking the bait for something that is so obviously fake?

>>33476060
>>33475639
Kson literally said this in her "Vshojo isn't a corpo" shill video.

>>33478869
so?

>>33465396
noobs everywhere, its very well known that if you have a contract with twitch, especially a partner, you cant stream at youtube, i am pretty sure that was known by hololive too, if she want to be successful at twitch she have to learn english, that is not a personal choice, its her job, in the same way than at any job if you want to get more income you have to study to get better and increase your value, there is no way around.

>>33479008
So those are bad things.

>>33478961
watch streams, tourist. no one's going to spoonfeed you

>>33477278
It's this. Nobody knows if it's real or not though. /#/ couldn't source it.

>>33478990
Retard
They split 2 types of merch

> Vshoujo merch = 100% to Vshoujo
> Vtuber merch = 0% to Vshoujo

>>33478869
That's bad?
I watch Tomari mari and that mean I have to hate Tomari too?

>>33478826
No, but if you have every corpo that has members like that, there aren't very many you can watch

>>33479076
>The usual shitposter deflection
Fuck you nigger, there is no stream. This is purely made up

>>33478944
Because this is an only logical answer remain

>>33479094
Nta but hey get a cut from the Vshojo merch too

>>33479147 (me)
meant to type "hate"

>>33479182
It's not a logical answer, it would be unenforceable because she wasn't a senior manager with access to strategic information (the only situation in which non-competes are allowed in Japan)

>>33466008
sora looks like picrel

>>33479182
Fanfics posted by underage retards are not logical though

>>33479135
Maybe, but okay, I'll admit that Zen isn't as bad as the other ones on that list and maybe I shouldn't have included him.

>>33479147
At least with other companies I can avoid members who act like that, with Vwhorejo, everyone is like that

>>33479094
Unironically asking, for what reason would the company even make singular talent merch then? If the idea is that the talent should make their own merch then what's the purpose of the company?

>>33479182
>>33478933
you can just tell which posts are made by the delusional japanese fancuck

>>33479160
>there is no stream.
u

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZsrSi5brEwo

>>33476107
It's literally listed as a corporation though, and they call themselves a company on their fucking website. You fuckers keep changing your narratives every thread about this.

>>33479215
Mouse talked about this iirc she said that the cut was around 5-10% if its vshojo merch.

>>33479326

Vshoujo = Vtuber support provider
Kson is their's customer and not employer. She is buying service

Imagine a chefs works at a restaurant and has to sign an agreement that he is not allowed to work for another restaurant in case he might quit. Is there a term for such an agreement and is such thing possible in Japan?

>>33479147
It's different when it's the core of the culture like in VS

>>33479278
there's Froot and Silvervale

>>33479336
Ero and lewd thing are only thing keep Hololive survive in the beginning state.
People ridicule Choco but Noel but they are true saviours of Hololive in JP side.
( Fubuki and Aqua are on CN side)

>>33479536
This doesn't sound legal at all.

>>33479536
The term is a noncompete (clause/agreement) and no, unless you're a CEO/COO or similar they are unconstitutional and unenforceable, as has been said many times

>>33465396
Look like Vshojo and Kson wanted to shill Twitch and other vshojo whores to Japan audience by hiring Mikeneko and forcing her to stream on Twitch but it failed. Kson (and possible Mikeneko too) ended up getting blacklisted instead

>>33478859
No. She's never even admitted to being married and there's literally nothing to back it up. The idea of a teenage girl in the uk being married to a us armyfaggot seems kind of far fetched.

Don't reply to my posts, I'm not gonna give anymore (u)s for your delusional baits

>>33479683
FUCK YOU
This mem post is not connect in this topic faggot. THIS PIC MENTION TOTALLY ANOTHER MATTER ENTRIELY.

T. SHIENTEI TIER2

>>33479683
>be successful indie
>join black company with the promise of "talent freedom"
>get fucked over
I'd feel bad, but she had it coming

>>33479683
>leaking mempost
>use for spread your narrative
>claim it as fact
Holobronies......

>>33479683
She's been blacklisted for a year

>>33479502
Why drag Michael along with her into this type of shit arrangement

>>33479931
>claim it as fact
Member posts are fake??

>>33479502
>Vshoujo = Vtuber support provider
So what's the difference between them and just hiring a manager, which kson already had?

>>33479683
>>33479946
No wonder when the US is China's bitch

>>33479683
this is about her getting tossed out of a collab with ironmouse and nijiEN i'm pretty sure

>>33479994
Your rrat is

>>33465449
GOTTEM

>>33480075
Proof?

>>33479994
Your rrat is totally fake and wrong
Holobronies pls have some diginity

>>33480182
>>33480116

>>33479989
> What if Mikeneko asked Kson for help and Kson was joining Vshoujo because of helping Mikeneko

>>33480038
Niji sure loves sucking chinese dick

>>33479094
>>33478756
>>33477719
>>33477148
>>33480240
learn2greentext

>>33478709
Marine would kill to join Vshojo.

>>33480002
Logistic, Tech support ( which Kson's lack), legal and negotiation with third party

>>33480303
> Hololive just gave Hololive summer and less restriction about lewd for Marine.
> Marine said on stream that she fought to the dead for it.

>>33479683
wow kson going menhera, rare event.
what article is she talking about?

>>33480466
are you using deepL?

>>33480572
How do you know?
English is hard for me
I'm ESL

>>33466299
SNAPE
HE TRUSTED YOU

>>33479683
Expecting japanese to use Twitch is as delusional as expecting EOPs to use NicoNico or Bilibili.

>>33480513
Something that will make /vt/ become unrest for several weaks at least. It will hell unleash day in /vt/.

The best is /vt/ never guess right what she said that day

>>33480466
And that's why Marine would rather be in Vshojo than Hololive.

>>33480763
Shaka or something is their 2nd or 3rd biggest streamer and is on twitch.

>>33480631
>How do you know?
because instead of
>this
it's
> this

>>33480779
Now it's not even DeepL. It's just random words thrown together at this point.

>>33480513
The pandora box which can end all enjoyment in every Vtuber communitys.

Kson just protect us form dirty shit because only she can tolerance this act

>>33481066
The pandora box
Kson is protecting us form real shit happened to her IRL

> You should not ask any Shientei about this. She want us to enjoy Vtubers

So any rrats here on why vshojo didn't put nazuna on YouTube? She did admit she is not making as much money before as she did?

>>33479025
>its very well known that if you have a contract with twitch, especially a partner, you cant stream at youtube,
That's literally not true. You can't simultaneously stream on both platforms.
She could stop a stream on Twitch as Nazuna and start a new one on YouTube, no issues. Or stream as Mikeneko, because the Twitch contract is signed with the person behind the avatar, not their "identity"

>>33465396
Less viewers, less gachis, less streams, less merch (none), less sponsorships (none), little understanding of the new streaming platform and ad revenue. No wonder the money is gonna dwindle, she's gonna have to learn to adapt to the new environment.

>>33481233
Some sort of agreement between nazuna/cover or cover/vshojo or vshojo/nazuna. Not sure which. Nobody actually knows.
As far as money goes she did get a lot of bits, subs and hype trains during that stream so venting paid off.

>>33481608
She failed to adapt to Holo and failed to adapt to being indie. Third time's the charm?

>>33481741
We know it's nothing to do with Cover, because that would not be legally enforceable since they terminated her contract

>>33481954
We're talking about new contact after termination which she mentioned about lawsuit.

>>33481954
>We know it's nothing to do with Cover
We don't know that at all

>>33481608
>>33481798
The main issue I see is that Vshojo's Twitch audience doesn't overlap with Nazuna's to help her grow. In fact, they despise them and would rather have her collabing with males to "own le incels".

She would fare better pulling a Hime on VShojo and start streaming more often as Mike on YT.

>>33482034
>>33482055
You can't sign a contract that forbids you from doing things unrelated to current, active employment, it's literally in the constitution

>>33482157
Doesn't matter, non-competes get enforced anyway.

So....nazuna could get sued by hololive if she jumped on youtube?

>>33482068
I started watching after she joined and don't care if she never collabs with a male

>>33482221
Only for C-level employees. She's literally not important enough to the business for it to hold

>>33482233
Could they put it in her contract and sue her? Yes. Would they win? Based on precedent, no.

>>33482157
The japanese constitution?

>>33482341
Yes, specifically the part guaranteeing people freedom of choice of employment, which most non-compete clauses would violate

>>33482221
If there is a non-compete agreement in place Cover needs to pay her at least 50% but even up to 110% of her salary as compensation. She also needs to have signed this agreement for whatever reason.
Then even if she breaks such agreement it is not like Cover can fire her from Vshojo. But I don't believe such agreement exists.

Nazuna streamed as mikeneko on youtube before and didn't get sued. It thinks it's the company brand name on why she is not super big on youtube therefore streaming on twitch to get big enough before switching to youtube again.

>>33480310
All of that can be done by a competent manager, and vshojo isn't exactly competent either as a company.

why did enna private her cooking stream?

Here's a timeline since you corporate cocksuckers don't seem to get it.
>Nazuna gets terminated abruptly and suddenly
>Nazuna is rightfully afraid for her future
>Cover takes advantage of this and signs a non-compete clause with her in exchange for some monetary compensation (maybe her last superchat check or something)
>this lines up to when Nazuna seeminly forgives Cover
>Now Nazuna is screwed because of the Non-Compete clause, and can't say anything because of the contract which also forbid her from badmouthing Cover

contract? But it's not a corporation....talent freedom.....it was all a lie?

>>33483662
> menhera throwing a tantrum
Schizomenhera and her fanbase really are akuje

>>33483662
>Source: It came to me in a dream

>>33479439
No wonder Vshojo (the corpo) are going all out with GoodSmile merch. They're getting most of the money.

>>33484023
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

>>33483662
>can't say anything because of the contract which also forbid her from badmouthing Cover
But she has been talking shit about them after that "statement" in which she lied anyways.

>>33484322
Occam's razor: the menhera is just being extra menhera to get more cash out of her paypigs

>>33484322
What you described is impossible, you can't pay someone to sign a contract saying they won't work somewhere else because it violates article 22 of the constitution of Japan

>>33465396
I like how the first reply to this thread was >other companies and everyone just ignored it. It's obviously not VShojo lol

>>33485695
Blue dorito can do no wrong

>>33485695
You are both bad at reading.

>>33485870
They literally cannot, because what retards in this thread are accusing them of doing is illegal at the highest possible level (literally forbidden by the constitution)

Bait or not, it was really kind of obvious she was pushed into a company she didn't really understand, and it kind of reeked of desperation to claw back the popularity she had in Hololive.

>It has to do with my contract. If I say it, I'll get fired.
A company that already fired her can't fire her again, by the way. TALENT FREEDOM