/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>33096959
Yeah that's why it takes four years for Fubuki to get hers right?

>>33097048
/news/ roundup for 12-09-2022
>>33035765
Recent clip numbers
>>33019589
>>33019614
>>33019722
>>33019747

Another day of pointing out the slow death if HoloEN since their peak in 2020 and EN fags in denial

>>33097085
Anon, Fubuki had a figure preorder released back on 2020. Nendos are not really her priority

>>33097127
>if

>>33097119
The debut of luxiem has been a disaster for vtubing and /vt/ as a whole

Took a look at the current EN streamers for shits and giggles. Sonny is somehow doing decent with Splatoon 3 but I can't tell for certain because his number range is all over the place.
Afaict Selen's Splatoon 3 numbers were decent for her too. So what gives? Is it skill level?

>>33097165
you're only saying that because luxiem made holoEN irrelevant

>>33096995
It's because those that you mentioned are something that they themselves want to try or actually want to stream.

>They all have an healthy balance of "things I want to stream" and "things my viewers want to see"
Now this is just a massive cope, looking at both Ame and Mori's channels the balance are probably 4-1 for those that they only stream for themselves.

>>33097146
Nigger getting a Nendroid has been her dream for a long time, to the point where she almost lost herself when's he got the news, you don't even watch the girls you use to shitpost

>>33097185
chigusa...

Pekora Rust vs Subaru Holocure

Met is blonde too, right?

>>33096917
Nah, everyone wants to roast Krauts because they went full retard with Greed Deal 2 years ago. They are giant hypocrites demanding unrealistic scenarios while they were buying nuclear electricity from other countries while claiming "nuclear energy bad, ya", not to mention they are completely incompetent to deal with the current situation. Basically pic related but 21st century. But this isn't /pol/ so I will stop.

https://litter.catbox.moe/44uqk7.jpg
https://litter.catbox.moe/44uqk7.jpg

>>33097203
>you don't even watch the girls you use to shitpost
No one here watches streams, you all watch graphs

>>33097185
s-so many blondes...

>>33097185
HomoJPs are now NijiEN tier. These are the rules you make Nijiniggers

>>33097189
No I'm saying that because they brought in retards like you who fill this place with lies and deceit so /#/ had to become an anti nijisanji thread out of necessity rather than be the industry discussion thread it was back before captain cum scare and his chinkfujos ruined things

Why is Ina so rapeable?

How do we save them

If Kiara speaks German with her normal voice and treat it as her version of Kurokami would you watch her?
t. not Kiara

>>33096940
Sit down young newfag and allow me to tell you a story.

February 7th, 2018, the debut of Tsukino Mito, is the day that vtubing died. What Mito brought to the table was the popularity of cheap ass Live2D instead of the cutting-edge 3D that was the standard before her. The format she brought to the table also ruined vtubing. Before her the popular style were short form skits in which the vtuber had to showcase their creativity in a short amount of time to entertain the audience. Mito popularized being a lazy ass playing videogames for hours. Why bother scripting actual content when you can just sit on your ass and play videogames for hours to get popular?

Mito ruined vtubing and we will never go back to the glory days of content that existed before her.

>>33097250
>>33097185
>The blond debuff isn't real bro.

>>33097165
The debut of Myth has been a disaster for vtubing and /vt/ as a whole
ftfy

>>33097265
Ooh, someone is absolutely seething because his favorite girls became irrelevant and outdated.

>>33097185
How do we save nijien?

>>33097275
It's the flat tits and exposed armpits bro

>>33097281
There's a subset of people who anti her for blueballing herbl viewers of more German karaoke

>>33097281
Kiara please just use your fucking normal voice at all, I'll take any excuse.

>>33097283
So, was he right all along?

>>33097303
It's hilarious that cripple gold was made precisely because nijiniggers keep spinning lies like this, and even with that tally they still spin bullshit through their teeth.

>>33097324
Isn't this just because they don't have perms for german songs ? I assume it's the same kind of autism as EN perms. Even in her latest german Karaoke, she used german translation of english song that another vtuber made

>>33097299
Anon this board was created from the combined seething of 2hus after Myth

>>33097333
I unironically miss Kizuna Ai content and yeah, most gaming streams bore the shit out of me.

>>33097305
According to nijiniggers, lie and seethe about their numbers hoping that if they lie enough it'll become true

>>33097333
100%

Nijisanji has always been a pox on the vtubing medium.

>>33097352
just make a nijiEN tally, entry point 500ccv so iluna is a-ok and problem solved

>>33097365
I put more of the blame on /qa/niggers who wanted an eceleb board, but got fucked by the admins when they instead just made a dedicated vtubing board. Kamra got those fuckers in the end though.

>Myth got less viewers for their 2nd Anniversary stream collab with all 5 members than Pekora does on her average Rust stream

man, haachama has so many underlying issues...I wonder how she's still sane sometimes

>>33097380
hololive only gained popularity when it switched to the nijisanji model and started leeching off of nijisanji. sora was nothing more than a failed kizuna ai clone.

>>33097352
>Start bringing up idea about cripple tally exactly at the same time Luxiem blew up in China
>Only manage to win 1 month because Ina and Gura was out of commission along with their offcollab arc
Always made me chuckle

>>33097371
Man there was that weird point in early vtubing where everyone have zero fucking idea what type of content works so everyone just experimented. And it was exciting to see what content everyone could think of every week. The l2d meta becoming the standard probably snuffed most of the potential of this medium. I still watch azulim's videos

>>33097425
The Nijisanji model of talking about cocks and drinking cum.

>>33097404
pekora's throat sounds really scratchy these days. hopefully she doesn't have to take an extended break for surgery.

>>33097404
>using Pekora
They even lose to Botan Holocure anon.

>>33097365
No, this board happened because chumbie meido was lobbying for it, then the great Christmas falseflag back in 2020 happened when "/qa/" invaded /jp/ but it was nothing but an excuse to create /vt/.

>>33097165
remember vox lore anon its so good,but now i dunno i don't watch them

>2view

https://youtu.be/4e7LRSB39mU
Subaru Holocure

>>33097467
JP still has at least 10 more members who can completely mog Gura with any content

>>33097470
They lose to Gura solo.

>>33097493
How do we save them bros?

Will Kiara play her German debut as normal debut just in German or will she go for something fancier like revealing that she got 200 hours in farming simulator?

>>33097404
Story arc anon may be onto something, honestly. The magic of Myth is gone, there's no more goals (last year, was "we want to go to Japan and do 3D together !", but now they used their 3D so much that the idea of 3D debut lost all purpose), they barely feel like friends, they broke all of their previous dynamic (Takamori/Amesame/Takotori/Bonebros) so it really doesn't feel like something interresting was going to happen in this stream. Ina is my oshi but I slept through the stream because I couldn't care less about Myth right now.

>>33097119
Siro is an absolute sweetheart. Don't you dare imply she had anything to do with the apocalyptic level event that is Luxiem. Luxiem killed EN vtubing.

>>33097504
start pandering more to /pol

botting the botted streams to out do the botted bots

>>33097499
Reddit Duck won't even hit 10k. All the weekend tourists that watch her won't be there. She doesn't have actual fans, just tourists.

>>33097518
>they barely feel like friends
kek, didn't Kiara sink that one with her statement in Reine's bday?
>Thank you Reine for making me feel like I have friends here

Miosha gonna stream EDF

>>33097522
I'm just saying anon, Siro was the earliest case ofa vtuber pandering to EN, which lead to chammers, then coco, then myth and now Vox Cumpscare.

>>33097551
Who got Mio so addicted to EDF? She streams it every few days now

>>33097551
Nobody watches Mio

>>33097545
this but unironically, didn't she struggle to break 10k during the minecraft festival overlap?
that's not 1st army behavior

when will we lower cripple tally requirement to 500 ccv so all of nijiEN can make it in?

>>33097518
Mostly I just find 2/5 of Myth terrible streamers that make me instinctively want to mute the steam. Too bad for the rest, hopefully they can form their own cross-gen cliques.

>>33097607
gura is chilling with snot and ina is just doing her own thing nowadays. the other 3 are irrelevant and need to graduate

>>33097607
A Gura/Ina/Ame stream would probably have gotten an higher CCV

>>33097471
How did this anon get his hands on vatnik cope?

>>33097640
unironically gura + ina is 20k + 10k = 30k
this means the rest of myth only managed to pull 2k viewers.

>>33097669
>debuff shark
>bringing numbers
she barely even made the graph move when she appeared at shion's 3D live. compare that to laplus who brought something like 14k people in.

>>33097630
Yeah you'd like that wouldn't you nijinigger?

>>33097573
she loves that long before becoming the game ambassador

>>33097522
Yagoo please save Siro. that bitch have so much wasted talent to just be in a sinking ship.

>>33070887
told you >>33072350

>>33097582
gay

>end stream after getting 5k viewers
She's here

>>33097518
At least Myth doesn't put up a fake show of forced camaraderie that JP does all the time.

>>33097573
She's in a way the unofficial ambassador of the game

>>33097701
You're getting desperate

>>33097742
she's in the game as a decoy and she was a guest on the pre-release streams.

>>33097736
>At least Myth doesn't do their job as entertainer properly
I don't see any reason to be happy about that ?

>>33097742
she is the official game ambassador

>>33097742
>unofficial
also the official ambassador of the game

>>33097701
And Pekora made 4k viewers left in Holosummer 3D concert, just graduate the blue women, fucking number poisons.

>>33097750
show me one recent example of the shark directly buffing a stream that isn't on her channel.

>>33097662
>meidos during Christmas 2020 suddenly decided that all VTuber content is allowed outside of designated chuuba threads with no explanation while people in those threads were protesting against it
Please point out which part of my posts is wrong.

>>33097281
I unironically would watch her if that happens

>>33097760
If you prefer your streamers to lie to you sure. Enjoy your fake reactions and fake friendship streams like that disgustingly fake Botan birthday 3D.

>>33097787
Kaela

>>33097787
H-HER TWEETS ANON!!!
if she tweeted about the stream, a 40k would've been the bare minimum!!

>>33097371
Kaguya Luna >>>> Ai.

How's the reine's holofeet review with Gura?

>>33097805
kaela was inclining long before she interacted with gura.

>vrabi streams over 10k so far
There is not A SINGLE entry in this list so far that is not surprising

>Full myth collab this low
>Petra (of Anya-Petra general fame) this high
>Salome this low
>774 Inc. and VSPO this high
>Koyori morning stream this high
>Choco twice at the list

It's a madhouse right now

Cry about the death of EN all you want they still live cushier and more fulfilling lives than most of you will ever experience because they will always be Hololive.

>>33097787
Just look at kaela and fauna's number now that gurabuff is not there anymore.

We can trade the reclining shark to NijiEN for Enna plus 2 draft picks for EN 3

>>33097787
She made Fauna reach 19K with her collab on her marathon. She was at 17K on the previous solo segment, so that's a whole 2K

>>33097818
No need to state the obvious anon. Kaguya was GOAT.

>>33097827
Cope

>>33097787
Climax Story Live

>>33097787
Mumei's room review.

>>33097846
enna is too big for holoEN now

>>33097837
Anon, I don't even think HoloEN is in trouble but your comment is peak "appeal to class envy" and doesn't really work as well as you would think.

>>33097736
They're entertainers. It's their fucking job to put on a fake show of forced camaraderie. Why do you think vtubing should be a retarded reality show you fucking cancer? It's about simulating Idolmaster in real time, not about being real.

>>33097834
You seem to be a newfag because hardly any of this is surprising or unexpected.

>>33097804
Yeah, I don't give a fuck, anon, VTubing is by essence, a perfomative job. I would rather have vtubers who lie, but make an amazing and funny stream, than "honest vtuber" which is just a shortcut to say that they don't give a shit about the content they produce. Were you happy about this subpar "honest" myth anniversary ?

>>33097804
this is entertainment business faggot. If being genuine only led to the kind of content that Myth and NijiEN produces then I rather have what you proclaimed as "fake" Botan's birthday stream that actually kino.

So who wants to spend $11 to bot Enna until her channel gets banned?

>>33097834
Salome, my sweet buttercakes.

>>33097834
0 councilrys streams above 10k
just graduate them all

>>33097868
>umisea
So, Marine/Chloe buff then?

>>33097333
LMAO NO. Both Hololive and Nijisanji already prove you can still be creative with your stream, not to mention 3D are actually still being used, it’s not going anywhere
If you are a lazy ass playing video game that’s on you, but none of the point made in that copypasta can be considered “true”

>>33097868
umisea

>>33097870
that was more of good stream buff than gura buff

>>33097844
fauna can get good numbers without gura

>>33097883
Western fans want more reality in their vtubing content. You can see this with NijiEN. Niji livers feel like real people and Hololive focuses on creating characters.

We shitting on botan now?

>nene gave a hint there will be splatoon 3 tournament

>>33097895
>hardly any of this is surprising or unexpected.
In context and with benefit of hindsight, of course. But if you sent this image even 6 months back in time and posted in this thread people would call it absolutely fake and gay

>>33097185
NijiEN owakon

>>33097834
My Salome..

>>33097834
>>Salome this low
>>774 Inc. and VSPO this high
>>Koyori morning stream this high
Were you in coma in last few months?

>>33097945
>Western fans want more reality in their vtubing content. You can see this with NijiEN.
Nobody watches NijiEN except chinks. It's not representative of what western fans want. The Nijisluts are 3 views when they stream non buff content.

>>33097736
You must really hate musical, movies and literally any form of entertainment

>>33097870
This reminds me
Mumei + Gura = 28k
Whole of myth = 32k
i think we should graduate the other 4 myth members please.

>>33097956
Probably gura will host this.

>>33097967
See >>33097955, hidnsight is 20/20 mate.

>>33097945
But nijien is dead though?

>People unironically believe there are "real" streamers.
Lmao. parasocial virus is rotting your brain people.

>>33097914
>>33097942
Oh, so now people acknowledge Umisea is not shit? The fuck?

>>33097439
I still like the idea of 3D anime youtubers emulating flesh youtuber content because everything is possible in a 3D space. Now its mostly lazy ass and buggy live2D streaming in a fixed position which severely limits the real potential of 3D anime videos and 3D content is now treated as some holy grail. Maybe its the reason why I watch Hologra, Polka and Watame's 3D videos or the like.

>>33097818
I understand your reasons but Kizuna Ai was special in my heart as my first vtuber

>>33097969
Enna got almost 4k with a gigadebuff stream yesterday. She's stronger than anyone in Council now.

>>33097945
Oh shit I did not know Vox is an actual BDSM exhibitionist butler in real life. Big up to him for being his real self

>>33097996
You don't understand, they'd literally suck chink cock if it means they'll get to shit on gura somehow

>>33097275
>He think Ina wouldn't hesitate to blast your ass to hell and back with her futa cock

>>33097948
It's a nijinigger.
You can tell because they immediately when on a tirade about 'real people as streamers etc' a mindset shared mostly by Nijikeks.

>said to reine that she is the only one who feels like a friend
>reject tempus collab when others are doing it
>didn't schedule her sleep time to accommodate myth 2nd anniversary
>is now trying to debut herself as Holo german
Does Kiara really feels she doesn't belong in myth?

>>33097956
>Hosted by Nene
DOA. Not to mention her potential players are only mid to low tier Holos, high tier Holos are all busy with another game

>>33097972
You might be onto something there, there is a SIZABLE segment of the EN live streaming watching audience that only wants to watch "criticism and cynicism".
They don't want to watch professionalism and technical perfection, they prefer watching people failing and others watching and laughing at them.

>>33097776
Fucking cumtards leaving in drove. Cover made the right choice to put pekor after the reclining shark.

>>33097996
Marine is one of the top holos. Of course she's going to bring big numbers.

>>33098003
So we're going back to the Selennigger days now huh?

>>33097897
This. I cringe every time a Holo asks chat whether they would be interested in watching them steam a debuff game, and a bunch of yes man members will reply that of course they'll watch anything she does. The most dedicated fans will obviously watch anything they do, but a Holos' job as an entertainer means they should be appealing to a wider audience rather than just the ones with 24 month membership badges. I have way more respect for the Holos that intentionally go for the most buff content possible, because it means they're taking their jobs seriously.

Magandang gabi bayan.

>>33097776
Why are nousakeks like this?

>>33097804
I'm not the streamers parents, therapist or friends. I'm a viewer looking for entertainment. Provide some or I don't care.

>>33098032
Well, let them. There's already so much of that on Twitch AND YouTube, I started watching HoloEN SPECIFICALLY to get away from all of that.

>>33097973
>Whole of myth = 32k
>32k/5 = 6400
>Mumei + Gura = 28k
>Mumei + 6400 = 28k
>28k - 6400 = Mumei
>Mumei = 21600
the true Gura killer

>>33097275
> Flat tits
> Giant ass
it's the best combo

>>33097804
well can you share what you think are authentic reactions and friendships from chuubas then? But to be honest if you actually think your example is totally real, I have an NFT to sell you.

>>33098025
>3 of the members are introvert
>1 of the member is a cringe-type extrovert
>Meanwhile here we have kiara, a turbo clingy extrovert
Yeah, you tell me why anon

>>33098050
This post kind of describe everything that is wrong with Ame

Westerners and the EN audience will never truly appreciate real vtubing because live2D stream is extremely inferior to flesh streaming. Vtubing was just a pandemic fad for a lot of people inclined to anime related content because of boredom and the japanese language barrier magically making it feel like its anime that needs to get subbed just like the good old days. What's the point of EN vtubing again?

>austrian
>kicked out of art school
>design by "Huke Boss"
>went on rants about the uselessness and incompetence of Italians
>detailed her fantasies of genociding the Mushroom Kingdom
>weeb
>abstains from drugs
>built a concentration camp for chickens in MeinKraft
>excellent public speaker
>made Gura do the Roman Salute
>was unjustly imprisoned by Jewtube for a period, during which she created her anti-Jewtube manifesto
>keeps sneaking extreme racist pejoratives against blacks into her streams
>her morning cry is the name of an anti-semitic satire magazine that ran in Austria and was partnered with the Nazi party
>called her KFP "the superior race"
>literally said "real jew" on stream
>literally said "6 million" on stream
>insisted that people should represent their country and have national pride
>opens a GERMAN ONLY channel

>>33098050
The correct choice is not to play horrid debuff shit for 40+ hours without a good deal of good streams mixed in (FUCKING SHINCHAN AHHHHHH). If you have to play debuff shit because you like it, please just schedule 2-3 10+ hours streams and get it done and over with.

>>33098082
this is a good one
i like it

>>33098050
I have even more respect for the master entertainers that take "debuff" content and turn it into entertaining streams.

>>33097551
>>30000000

>>33098031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2RcCwrK9a0
>sui jump into the fray

>>33098118
Holy shit. Not again

>>33097283
Uhm
what?

>>33098033
>>33098035
Good to know that Marine and Suisei saved Holosummer, Pekora almost ruined it.

EN GOLD

prediction for peko rust?

>>33098118
SIEG KIARA

>>33098166
Don't dox mito, faggot

>>33098136
Any examples? I'm sure they exist, just interested.

>>33098192
45k minimum. she'll BTFO myth before she even starts playing.

Just watch twitch streamers/fleshtubers if you want streamers that are honest. The essence of a vtuber is still the larping. That's why i don't watch en, they are just twitch streamers with an avatar. Even the chinks has a special term for this, 套皮直播主 which means streamers who wear a skin only.

>>33098050
The biggest rookie mistake a streamer can do is ask their audience what they want since they have no fucking idea what they want to watch. There's a reason this emote exist in twitch, it basically mocks reclining viewership caused by the variety content that their fans "really want them to do"

Is this the first time a first army has played splatoon 3?

>>33098192
32,565

>>33097804
>fake friendship
>when we have several instances of Holos interacting behind the curtains, offline meeting, discord stuff on twitter etc etc
Why is gokischizo like this?

>>33098219
Splatoon 3 since release?
yes

>>33097945
>Western fans want more reality in their vtubing content.
I ... Urg ... On one hand, you got a point considering how EN audience is like, but then you have to fucking follow it up with some retard shit

>>33097804
All good entertainers lie tho

>>33098080
Yep, that's something many fail to understand. The reason the vtuber market exists at all, with all the limitations of the medium in comparison with simply being a face streamer, is exactly because it sets a very clear line between
>entertainer
and
>"man behind the curtain"

You can enjoy Coco big boobed foul mouthed hijinks with the other girls without caring the least about anything other than what is presented to you on screen, in character, during the live stream.
The millisecond this illusion falls and all you are left with is with a flabby bellied cake make up filled regular ass woman as funny (or as unfunny) as every other facecam streamer before or after her.

>>33098213
I can't believe I have to agree with a fucking chink

>>33098192
2434

>>33098210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpQ3ox36K_Q
NTA, but this is a good example

>>33098118
Based, I will now watch kiara.

>>33098258
Only that, being a vtuber only needs you play a certain anime role. How hard is it to be a chuunibyou?

>>33098255
Koyori played on release day basically

>>33098102
Retards here have no idea how to even interact with normal people. I bet they'll go full meltdown if they talked to a turbo clingy extrovert like Kiara.

>>33098213
>Even the chinks has a special term for this, 套皮直播主 which means streamers who wear a skin only.
>>33098273
>I can't believe I have to agree with a fucking chink
There was some timeline skipping lately or something?

>>33098254
myth is full of fake friendships. for example, you can't tell me gura talks to myth members more than council members with a straight face.

>>33098255
Ayame

>>33097969
NTA but he got a point, expect his follow is is retarded
Western fans want reality in their content is somewhat correct, but not from Niji, and sure as shit not from Holo

It's from, again, fucking Twitch, and I'd rather them go there than shit up the Vtubing scene desu

So the EN doomposting will never fucking stop until Myth returns to their near mythical (heh) numbers from 2020...

>>33097119
Wtf is a cumpscare? I don't watch nijien

>>33098313
>first army
>Koyori

>>33098321
all of hololive EN is extremely fake. i think this is why the audience got tired and moved on.

>>33098118
>opens a GERMAN ONLY channel
There's no turning back from this. Only a devastated Europe will appease her. Guess the Latinx will welcome Kiwawa when she finally retires there

>>33098150
>sui
>high tier
good joke holobros

https://youtu.be/rreqEEi4MYU
Moona met JPs

>>33098321
I was talking about JP Hololive ya dunce.

>>33098313
>Lower than Nene
Koyorifags please explain

So /#/ is reaching the conclusion that EN vtubing was a mistake ?

>>33098334
Stay away from cumpscares

>>33098321
Kiara literally said to Reine that she had made Kiara feel like actually has friends in Holoive. Even more damningly, she said she's glad Reine didn't start hating her randomly after they met. Something is not okay at Myth.

>>33098330
I mean, even disregarding the crummy timeslot on a Monday (it's less bad on a weekend, but 3pmEST is garbage for 4/5ths of NA) the anemic numbers for myth anniversary were exactly that, anemic.

>>33098330
It's not doomposting anon, people are talking about the perceived state of the branch.
The same talk happened for NIjiEN before Luxiem, NijiJP before ... well, before and after koshien and Gen 1, Gen 5 and HoloX with regards to their performance, and Gen 2 with regards to their attendance.

>>33098317
>if they talked to a turbo clingy extrovert like Kiara.
I mean, a lot of Kiara's problem with her relationship is that, she's all in or all out. She's very hesitant and somewhat shy if she's not confident with who she interract with, but once she's confortable, she's going to cling to you at full force. Talking to Kiara isn't difficult, it's being close to her who is.

>>33098348
It should've been Gura

hey, looks the bait, The SEA Hours already start...

>>33098348
3/5 of Myth and all of Council will never get to experience this.

>>33097897
>>33097899
>>33098078
Holy shit what is this retarded boomer mentality, imagine preferring scripted interactions in 20 fucking 22, if you can't find entertainment in real people reacting to real events you should unironically go and touch grass.
>>33098094
Vtubers and authenticity are a fucking oxymoron in the first place but only holoEN comes close to keeping it real. Shit like NijiEN's forced family tweets are just as disgusting as anything the JP side pulls.

>>33098080
I mean, sure, let them
But then you have to expect that EN number will never be bigger than it currently is because that section of the market is still significant

>>33098348
Sugoi

>>33097834
M-Myth gold?

>HoloEN being fake so people leave them
>HoloEN doesn't RP so people leave them

>>33098357
Koyori was playing at a bad timeslot with overlaps.

>>33098410

>>33098440
EN vtubers are just very mediocre

>>33098118
SIEG HEIL

>>33098440
can't win.

>>33098404
>release the monkeys!

>>33097834
In hindsight, an offcollab with a luxiem only don't 21k (nonZ) is kinda sad. Imagine what a Axel, Altare, Kronii, Ame would get (the Petra, Elira, Shu, Uki equivalents of Holo numbers wise)

>>33098458
PEKORA NO!

>>33098440
Just commit to either one then. If you can't pretend to be friends then stop pretending.

>haachama hits 1.4m singing dragon meido
kino... absolutely kino

>>33098118
Don't forget
>Forced Mumei to take down the Hindenburg reference in her Dan Dan because it pained Nazi Germany (Represented by KFP) in a bad light

Pls be able to tell its a joke

Can we just talk about Pekora's monkey?
That shit is the real number magnet.

>>33098493
Imagine Myth and council having LSF tier retarded beefs. Pure numbers.

Man this thread really goes to shit once Niji can't put up a fight. Are we going to have to wait for Koshien before there is legitimate competition again?

>>33097834
>Salome
>Rythm Heaven
>Sub 20k
grim..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5eEmkUw_Wk
who is the second girl from the left?

>>33097701
You may have not considered the fact that Gura has mostly EOP fans and can't give 2 fucks about a Japanese woman who they can't understand.

>>33098530
>19k is bad now

will holoEN ever hit 40k with a non graduation/debut stream ever again?

>>33098530
>Salome
>Grim
ftfy

>>33098458
A FUCKING MONKEEEEEE

>>33098538
Oh wow Ame is streaming with Jp.

>>33098538
EROHAAA

>>33098412
>only holoEN comes close to keeping it real.
You mean the branch who do those "unity event" and go "Love myth" when they barely can stand each other ? The only reason they're keeping it somewhat real is that they're so bad at acting that you can easily see through the act.

>>33098527
can you patiently wait until next year?

>>33097787
Anybody forget about the feet review stream on Reines channel

>>33098538
It's Ame with her ninja outfit

>>33098553
IRyS redesign will get 100k. Screenshot this.

>>33098538
Okita Souji

>>33098480
Anon, NijiEN got, on a much less cursed channel, about 24k for their Koshien watchalong. 21k is nothing to sneeze at on Petra's channel.

>>33098530
I'm actually sort of impressed she is still declining. Tempus and iLuna however you judge them seem to be stabilizing, a month or two seems about right short of tapping a new market like desperate lonely Chink women. Where does the decline end? It's been months.

>>33098348
Mori met them all and all of them without fail will call her cool

>>33098440
The answer is simple
>>33098136
Just be entertaining. Ultimately one way or another if you aren't entertaining when you have as big of a reach as HoloEN does, you won't get the numbers. If that means selling a horror bit, sell it. If it means being real with fans at times, so be it. If you instead fall into the pit that Ame and Mori have wrt streaming (I stream for myself, too bad if YOU don't find it interesting!) then NO approach will save you. Thing is, being effortlessly entertaining is HARD FUCKING WORK, ITS MENTALLY EXHAUSTING, AND IT REQUIRES THE RIGHT MINDSET.
It's going to take something drastic to shake those two out of their little bubbles they've formed, and I don't think it'll happen anytime soon.

>>33098548
>30k is bad now
>25k is bad now
>20k is bad now
You are here

>>33098548
It was one of her buff game so yeah

>>33098548
After going apeshit proclaiming she's the next gura killer, yes it is.

>>33098588
i'll be in here a few months from now when that stream happens. You better be in here as well cause im going to mock you to death.

>>33098620
she's still getting better numbers than gura

>>33098527
Well, NijiFes and something will happen at the end of the year, no?

Just pray to the lord that Pekora doesn't feel like unbraiding her hairs again

>>33098506
Anon, you're an idiot for even posting that on /vt/.

>>33098412
>but only holoEN comes close to keeping it real
Ah, a HoloENfaggot, I see.
So tell me anon, how does the EN market doing right now with them being "genuine" compared to those who actually take their job as entertainers seriously like in the JP market?

>>33098580
>Extremmely buff content (review)
>Review feet of other holos (content involving other holos, buff)
>15K only
This is not the gotcha you think this is.

>>33098629
LOL no

>>33098634
>Pekora buys another monkey again and started spamming buffs for out of nowhere.

>>33097804
Nobody told him...

>>33098634
>Nijifes
Yeah, anon, about that...

>>33098054
Magandang gabi din sa iyo kompadre.

Suityan 20k

>>33098629
She's sub 20k, teethering off to sub 15k for a while now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJmnk_B8R2M&t=5s
MIGOOOOO!

>>33098548
>19k is bad now
it is,
for someone who once was able to pull 80k-100k in non-event streams every day

>>33098634
how many balls?

I forget Watame exists sometimes

>>33097736
Kind of hard to form solid friendships when everyone is spread out through 4 continents and even the closest ones are a few hours drive apart. Almost all of HoloJP is in the Tokyo area and a few even lived in the same apartment complex for a while. Even HoloID all live close to each other.

That's a lot of opportunities to form bonds we never get to see, lunch dates, shopping trips, late night sleep overs, nobody in HoloEN got that with the exception of Calli and Kiara at the beginning (which Calli squandered away by being a cringy edgy fuck) and IRyS and Calli now. Unfortunately, Calli is still too cool to be an unironic galpal and IRyS has formed stronger bonds with HoloJP as a result.

Makes me wonder if Ame and Gura had gone through with the streamer house idea how things would have turned out. Even if it had only been for a year that could have cemented a budding friendship that could have gone the distance. Maybe even pull in a few of the other talents for weeklong stays. Imagine the kino offcollabs, the bantz forged through hundreds of hours of late night talks, finishing each other thoughts, a true blue friendship without any of this faggy yuribaiting, the strong foundation Myth could have had.

>>33098571
They could've chosen not to say anything but they make sure that their fans know they stream what they want, not what the fans want.
>>33098646
HoloEN is doing perfectly well worldwide, they're far more popular in NA, EU, SEA and KR markets which have a combined population many times that of Japan compared to HoloJP which has failed to make any headway in any of those countries.

Salome died faster than when Gura was at her peak. Gura, at the least held on for at least 4 months with like 40k ccv or average.

>>33098735
Anon please don't say that out loud.

do haatons just not send supas and opt to gifted members?

>>33098648
>>33097805
>>33097942
>I-it doesn't count

>>33097834
I keep telling you guys Susan fucked the numbers again.

>>33098737
>Streamer house
Worst idea imaginable. Having all those moody women in a single house would be nothing but drama.

>>33098737
theres no excuse for myth. Council have the same situation as myth and they seem to be way closer to each other than myth ever was

>>33098735
Who is your oshi?

>>33098192
48k because she'll face the tank again while showing her new strategy she hyped during the past two streams. This and maybe some kino happening while she's rebuilding the Wall Pekora.

>>33098737
>streamer house
Bad idea unless you want them to hate each other

casual 20K+ with fucking splatoon, the first army meme is real

>>33098737
If Ame had not moved into the termite infested house that ruined her health permanently, things would be pretty radically different for her.

>>33098804
Noir Vesper

>>33098792
Council had to suffer through Sana's graduation and that brought them closer together, they also didn't have the burden of shouldering the entire fate of Western Vtubing all by themselves with minimal support.

>>33098786
Holoen need a numberfag that will make the management solve that shitass waiting room verification problem

>>33097283
Looking at her debut thread it's fun to see all the doomposting.
> How many subchannels are they creating?
> Not enough if you ask me.

took her an hour and a half to get 1.5k subs, not too bad

How does Fuwa with his most buffed game lost to Suisei playing casually?

>>33098757
After Haachama pulled that stunt with SCs, haatons probably decided that it's be better to try and convert greys to greens instead.

>>33098862
what is a fuwa?

>>33098745
>Unironically saying this
>When HoloJP and NijiJP manage to become mainstream in their respective country of focus, something that HoloEN fails to do even in NA market.
>Even actually reclines/stagnates compared to the JP and ID branch
So it's all just a cope, I see. Gotcha.

>>33098858
I still find it funny that /jp/ heralded Pekora as the Mori of hololive during her debut and called her Bully Bunny.

>>33098858
Yua...

Miosha 10k

>>33098876
>comparing the highly competitive NA streaming scene to the shitty boondocks that is Japan's streaming scene
Fuck off last samurai, come back when you see any holoJP or nijiJP get a sold out cafe in Korea.

>>33098862
His casual is 12-15k. But his huge collab is 18-27k. He needs the others to suck their ccv

>>33098757
oh wow, that's quite a bit for a relatively medium size stream
I mean, 1.4 million isn't exactly a conventional milestone
does this have to do with coco? I feel like it does for some reason

>>33098737
>streamer house
Christ I’m glad none of you work for Cover. Also
>Calli

>>33098737
>when everyone is spread out through 4 continents
Not an excuse, especially for myth when 3.5 (Mori half of the time) are in NA. And they never took the time to meet until after more than one year and half. (And it was Ina and Ame with fucking council of all thing). They don't care about each other, about seeing each other or about spending time with each other. They're streamers, they could take a 4 hours flight and have two or three days of bonding/offcollab regularly, but they don't. Because they don't care all that much about each other.

>>33098827
Your JP oshi dumbass

>>33098348
Marine being hot IRL is undeniable now even a non jp says it

>>33098910
>Highly competitive NA market
>But can't actually compete at all
Yep, it's just a cope after all.

>>33098947
Oh, Tokoyami Towa.

>>33098858
Was he wrong?

>>33098934
>comparing a 4 hour flight to JPs who can literally just take a 4 minute train ride to meet each other
What's next, you're going to say that they can make genuine friendships even by spending time online?

>>33098934
Yup, reminder that it was Mumei that suggested and organized the first off-collab. Ame just streamed it. If Ame and Ina (or Gura for that matter) wanted to meet, they could've done it any time.

>>33098887
That just makes me think of how Mori was actually in the perfect position to get adopted by a member of Sankisei. And then she detonated her career like her name was Nagasaki and joined VShojo.

>>33098934
the only legit friendships in holoEN are gura/fauna , fauna/mumei and bae/mumei

>>33098962
The Western streaming scene is literally a hundred times bigger than Japan, retard, and that's who HoloEN have to compete with.

>>33098166
>pagkaing nakukuha sa mga kawayan labong
>translate.google.com
>Detect Language
>Filipino - Detected

>>33098981
I'm not saying it's not somewhat of a bigger commitment. But never meeting ONCE, in a year and half of working together ? Come on, anon.

>>33098789
Just let me have this. It's bad enough Myth is just going through the motions now. Ame too busy being the quirky one, Ina stagnating and doing her own little thing, the mold finally overtaking Gura, Mori too stubborn to admit the group has fallen apart, and Kiara being mememe as usual. Let me have an dream that they actually gave a shit about each other and tried to build something bigger than themselves.

>>33098980
Aoi chan . . .

>>33099019
>And they can't exactly compete in the said market too
Thanks for making my point stronger, retard

>>33098348
What did moona do to deserve it

>>33098980
He's exactly right, no one wants to watch scripted bullshit nowadays.

>>33098804
Amane Kanata

>>33098548
>Salome floor is 100k
>Salome floor is 90k
>Salome floor is 80k
>Salome floor is 70k
>Salome floor is 60k
>Salome floor is 50k
>Salome floor is 40k
>Salome floor is 30k
>Salome floor is 20k
You are here
>Salome floor is 10k

>>33098804
Akai Haato

>>33099036
You are a fucking retard, covid lockdowns were a thing.

>>33099075
SALAMI IS 1 SALAMI
STOP MOVING THE GOAL POST

You guys should've used cull cope to defend Salami's numbers.

>>33099075
Oh no no no.... NijiKeks!!!!
How do we save Salami!?!?!?!?

>>33097787
184k --> 193k from Gura's appearance

>>33099045
Who gives a shit about gen unity. It's much better for the girls to stick with people they actually like and care about.

>>33099096
She's 1/8 Salami now, anon...

>>33099091
Anon, the lockdown stopped 10 months before the first NA offcollab.

>>33099049
They successfully carved out a bigger chunk of the global market than JP has, kill yourself

>>33099055
Being the best hololive dancer

>>33097956
Nijikiller

>>33097804
Imagine hating this, now wonder that EN scene is failing when they are full of bitter cunts like you.

>>33098887
>Pekora
Yet another bitch that went on her idol journey and changed

>>33099112
if this was the case there would be 0 collabs apart from a few with council members and gura

>>33097956
Yeah, saw Suisex training already

>>33099107
that was all marine. she is the main draw for umisea.

>>33099120
>They successfully carved out a bigger chunk of the global market than JP has
Proof next thread, yeah? They can't even get a decent CCV nowadays while their senpais in JP actually gets bigger numbers than last year and I'm supposed to believe this entire cope kek.

>>33099119
Not everywhere, and they're also extremely busy with streaming/non-streaming work but sure yeah go meet up for an off-collab and the nijiniggers like you start complaining about recline the moment they don't stream because they needed to travel for that off-collab

Everyone in this discussion is retarded including me.

>>33099112
based that's why we get shiraken kino, chocosubaluna, pebot, snot

>>33099165
Good thing I'm not everyone or me.

To give people something to talk, here are ALL of the streams by either HoloEN or NijiEN to have beat 20k from August to September 12 (meaning the two streams from the current day aren't in yet)
>pic related

date,peak,nameEn,branch,title,video_id
2022-08-07,58292,Ike Eveland,Nijisanji EN,【SINGING 歌枠】My way of thanking you all for 700K【NIJISANJI EN | Ike Eveland】,klCUa2n3MWs
2022-08-30,51520,Selen Tatsuki,Nijisanji EN,【NEW OUTFIT REVEAL】The wait is over #SelenLaundry【NIJISANJI EN | Selen Tatsuki】,r4nXZ7BBTnE
2022-08-25,43091,Petra Gurin,Nijisanji EN,【NEW OUTFIT REVEAL】spot the differences! #PetraHandArc【NIJISANJI EN | Petra Gurin】,Azz606574xE
2022-08-27,40308,Rosemi Lovelock,Nijisanji EN,NEW OUTFIT REVEAL #RoseAttire【NIJISANJI EN | Rosemi Lovelock】,E-Aej0UaEAc
2022-08-28,37977,Elira Pendora,Nijisanji EN,【#NIJIMelodyTime】 end of summer singing time~! 【NIJISANJI EN | Elira Pendora】,oygRG7OrYQI
2022-08-14,36531,Elira Pendora,Nijisanji EN,【#にじさんじ甲子園 2022】 NIJISANJI EN KOSHIEN FINALS WATCHALONG 【NIJISANJI EN | Elira Pendora】,SoAjB-1cMBM
2022-08-23,36453,Hakos Baelz,Hololive EN,≪1 YEAR ANNIVERSARY≫ One year later... #councilTHEfirst,-3ZfeLpr-v8
2022-08-28,35309,Petra Gurin,Nijisanji EN,【#NIJIMelodyTime】connecting the world with music【NIJISANJI EN | Petra Gurin】,wou0sdn7Bno
2022-08-28,34760,Millie Parfait,Nijisanji EN,【#NIJIMelodyTime】 Kraoke NIJISANJI EN Millie Parfait ,LcsVdC-qXlA
2022-08-28,33768,Yugo Asuma,Nijisanji EN,【#NIJIMelodyTime】International Karaoke Relay【NIJISANJI EN | Yugo Asuma】,LAFi8qxHMvk
2022-09-11,32232,Gawr Gura,Hololive EN,【Gura's Big Brain Games】Back to School! ,ee5jkEXRm2c
2022-09-04,30762,Gawr Gura,Hololive EN,【Gura's Big Brain Games】,B_JOXosJVNo
2022-08-28,29925,Pomu Rainpuff,Nijisanji EN,【#NIJIMelodyTime】My first NIJISANJI karaoke relay!!【NIJISANJI EN | Pomu Rainpuff】,BhHI4_7hDmg
2022-08-28,28541,Enna Alouette,Nijisanji EN,【#NIJIMelodyTime】 24HR Relay !!【NIJISANJI EN | Enna Alouette】,n6cAE2ue84w
2022-08-05,28009,Nanashi Mumei,Hololive EN,【MUMEI'S BIRTHDAY】 Celebration Time !! #itsMeiBday,gpVQHURm76Q
2022-08-28,27846,Shu Yamino,Nijisanji EN,It's Time to Sing!!! #NIJIMelodyTime 【NIJISANJI EN | Shu Yamino】,PZUVEN0k2Uo
2022-08-09,27034,Vox Akuma,Nijisanji EN,【NIJI EN OBJECTIVE POWER TIER LIST w/ REN】your faves will be bullied【NIJISANJI EN | Vox Akuma】,Y6H3UztyXBA
2022-08-13,25830,Luca Kaneshiro,Nijisanji EN,【#にじさんじ甲子園 2022】NIJISANJI EN B LEAGUE WATCHALONG【NIJISANJI EN | Luca Kaneshiro】,xR2tXdDl9H4
2022-09-05,25137,Vox Akuma,Nijisanji EN,【UNARCHIVED KARAOKE】A sing-song before I go【NIJISANJI EN | Vox Akuma】,7FqQ-sQPmiA
2022-08-28,24028,Uki Violeta,Nijisanji EN,【#NIJIMelodyTime】karaoke relay!! 【NIJISANJI EN | Uki Violeta】,PV5VFvD3mZY
2022-08-28,23378,Reimu Endou,Nijisanji EN,【#NIJIMelodyTime】Singing time !! 【NIJISANJI EN | Reimu Endou】,i9Ack50aGLY
2022-08-28,23267,Gawr Gura,Hololive EN,【RUST】bigfish,dmuGXzYXomo
2022-08-12,23030,Gawr Gura,Hololive EN,【RUST】HoloRust SEASON 2,ScZy5gEw374
2022-09-04,22792,Enna Alouette,Nijisanji EN,ENGLISH KARAOKE (UNARCHIVED)【NIJISANJI EN | Enna Alouette】,yzrYThmYvw4
2022-08-11,22754,Gawr Gura,Hololive EN,【THE MORTUARY ASSISTANT】Shark help!,_aeIw9DJnBw
2022-09-10,22264,Gawr Gura,Hololive EN,【HoloCure】New members! electric abooaloog,zDICSOdPa6Q
2022-08-21,21770,Hakos Baelz,Hololive EN,"≪URBAN DICTIONARY CHALLENGE≫ the internet is a great place w/ Kronii, Mumei and Gura",jWvpe0Hs5wI
2022-08-29,21745,Gawr Gura,Hololive EN,【MINECRAFT】SUMMER FESTIVAL #ホロ鯖夏祭り,okCqDd122ak
2022-09-07,21590,Takanashi Kiara,Hololive EN,【HOLOCURE】NEW UPDATE EARLY ACCESS !!! #kfp #キアライブ,FVZPk21Sl5o
2022-09-02,21345,Yugo Asuma,Nijisanji EN,【伝言ゲーム】English Telephone game!!,Y9UJi8DalME
2022-08-04,21228,Nanashi Mumei,Hololive EN,【KARAOKE】Early Birthday Tunes !!!,Y_L8TusmUsU
2022-08-12,21218,Elira Pendora,Nijisanji EN,【#にじさんじ甲子園 2022】 NIJISANJI EN A LEAGUE WATCHALONG 【NIJISANJI EN | Elira Pendora】,egh7oDegru8
2022-08-17,21158,Gawr Gura,Hololive EN,【RUST】HoloRust SEASON 2,bZmMvX-KZUQ
2022-08-22,20500,Gawr Gura,Hololive EN,【RUST】BIGFISH??,3D96coBQZAo
2022-08-23,20093,Luca Kaneshiro,Nijisanji EN,PLANKING UNTIL I REACH 800K【NIJISANJI EN | Luca Kaneshiro】,eYlDVfbXON0

PER BRANCH
>21x: Nijisanji EN
>14x: Hololive EN

PER STREAMER
>9x: Gura
>3x: Elira
>2x: Bae, Enna, Luca, Mumei, Petra, Vox, Yugo
>1x: Ike, Kiara, Millie, Pomu, Reimu, Rosemi, Selen, Shu, Uki
>0x: Fauna, IRyS, Calli, Ina, Kronii, Ame*, Aia, Alban, Aster, Finana, Fulgur, Kyo, Maria, Mysta, Nina, Ren, Scarle, Sonny

*Ame got one today

i have a question, if playing debuff games are bad, is it really on the game or is it because the streamer/vtuber isn't entertaining enough to make the game fun to watch them play. you can't tell me playing debuff games can cripple your growth when jerma is a debuff game playing machine. but may be jerma is a bad example because he's just on a level of entertaining that can't be matched.

>>33099120
>They successfully carved out a bigger chunk of the global market than JP has,
They only collected the army of clipwatchers JP has gathered during the first half of the 2020.

>>33099161
>they're also extremely busy with streaming/non-streaming
>Ninomae "three stream a week" Ina
>Watson "cancelled my stream a gain" Amelia
>Gawr "dissapeared for a week, oups" Gura
You're just arguing in bad faith. The only one with some real commitement is Ina due to her artist job.

>>33099165
>Everyone
It's just you, retard

>>33099158
>lines around the fucking block for holoEN panels at conventions ALL AROUND THE WORLD
>SOLD OUT collab cafe in Korea
>Gura's dino plushie OBLITERATED all sales records
There's your fucking proof

>>33099195
complete. niji. domination.

>>33098371
>Something is not okay at Myth.
Or Kiara is just an unlikeable person.

>>33099154
she to focus killing player

>>33098553
Literally the offcollab like a couple months ago? Guras Birthday? Moris birthday? Hell NUOs free section was only 3k short.

You know all this arguments started because someone have to defend Myth anni number
Just accept it and move on, what’s so hard about it?

>>33099206
>it's okay when Botan disappears for a week without streaming
>when Myth does it they're lazy
neck yourself jpnigger

>>33098412
>real people reacting to real events
>talking about holoEN
wtf are you even going on about. I think you need to see a doctor.

>>33099206
>Ninomae "three stream a week" Ina
>Watson "cancelled my stream a gain" Amelia
>Gawr "dissapeared for a week, oups" Gura
>it's ok when JPs do it

>>33099208
You love taking baits do you?
The other anon doesnt care on anything but make some anon seethe
>and you fell for it

say something nice about her

>>33099236
>disappears with reason
>disappears without reason

>>33098412
>imagine preferring scripted interactions in 20 fucking 22, if you can't find entertainment in real people reacting to real events
I actually have friends for that. If I turn to a screen, it's for an entertaining performance. Honestly, actual friendlessness might be the root cause of audiences wanting to keep things real.

>>33099236
>>33099249
Did I mention JP once in my post ? You mention that EN are "too busy" streaming to travel, no they're fucking not, they barely stream.

Based on history of Vtubing, EN scene currently is 2019 Japan when Shitenou started crumbling, others were too small or fell under radar. I predict that 2023 - 2024 is gonna be the golden age of EN Vtubing with HoloEN Sankisei, Cover is gonna set up studio somewhere in US. Entire HoloEN is gonna go into idol route just like the main brand.

>>33098458
Did you just say monkey?

>>33099259
fat tits

Globaltards go the fuck back

>>33099258
Shut up anon, I'm actually enjoying this since he keeps on biting

the last 5 threads reminds me of this meme i don't know why.

>>33099259
she tanked her career by appealing to EOPs and her best friend abandoned her for bilibili.

>>33099259
We'll celebrate later

What's the number prediction for the Worms collab ?
More than 20k ?
Less than that ?

>>33099202
>is it really on the game or is it because the streamer/vtuber isn't entertaining enough to make the game fun to watch
It depends but, for instance, Cull of the Lamb is IMPOSSIBLE to make it enjoyable to watch.

The streamers seem to enjoy playing it but it is not an audience game

>>33099120
Numbers thread, provide numbers.

Do you know all these arguments started because NijiJP and NijiEN can't put up a fight this month?

>>33099208
Is Gura's merch available for a limited time only?

>>33099036
Hear me out.
Their plans were to likely meet up together IN Japan for their anniversary, and also do 3d stuff, but when Japan kept shit closed for way longer than anyone thought they would, they royally fucked over all of Cover's and Myth's plans.
It's why the didn't hesitate to throw out another set of outfits for Myth (but then it ran into getting the l2d for holoX done first).
Of course, since that didn't happen, well Ame set up her shit instead and we got what we got.

TL;dr Blame the nip government.

>>33099299
15k

>>33099208
>HoloJP will get far longer lines too if they ever bother to send their girls all around the world
>Same as the first point
>No actual numbers, just Gura's words, a well-known liar, as a proof.
This does not make your point stronger, anonchama...

>>33099259
she's cute, has a lot of soul
too bad time isn't her biggest ally

>>33099299
I’ll bet on 20k combined given that’s about what DbD sat at.

>>33099299
Ame said its 3 POVs

>>33099195
>NijiEN 9 out of the top 10
GRIM
>NijiEN 16 out of the top 20
DOUBLE GRIM!

>>33099202
Potential for content and Compability of the streamer are also factor. Like Cult of the Lamb is dogshit for streamers like xqc or tyler1 but I can imagine it getting good to decent numbers to rougelike streamers such as Northernlion.

>>33099259

>>33099202
Debuff games is a very subjective concept
I would argue there are no debuff game at all, only people who can’t make it interesting. All of the First Army are living proofs: Miko WWE, Marine Passpartout, Peko MGS, Subaru Persona, Aqua Apex
All of these game when put into another person hand, wouldn’t do as good or straight up debuff

>>33099195
Its over..

>>33098136
Nowa oji
he turned fucking FTL and Zomboid into buff games

>>33099335
holoEN is dead

>>33099202
If he just streamed indie games every day he would absolutely recline, but that's not what he does. He puts out a ton of high effort creative streams and mixes that in with his gaming content.

>>33099326
>HoloJP will get far longer lines too if they ever bother to send their girls all around the world
They can't even get lines as long in Japan, their home country
>Same as the first point
They can't even sell out cafes in Japan, their home country
>No actual numbers, just Gura's words, a well-known liar, as a proof.
t. last samurai

Inb4 Kiara will collab with German indies every other week on her German channel to the point it inclines past the EN one

>>33099356
Debuff is relative to your average audience. Yeah Pekora get better numbers than 95% of EN when she stream cult of the lamb, but it's still far below her average numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e7LRSB39mU
here comes gold

>>33099374
He's good at explaining maybe that's why viewers stay until the end of the stream.

>>33098285
Kek I remember that

>sold out cafe cope

>>33099392
>95%
>10 members

>>33099383
Name one german 4 views who actually stream in german ?

>>33099299
have they filled the empty slots yet? It's 25k combined if it's still empty. Potential to breach 30k if Nodoka is there because of Axel.

>>33099400
Nope won't even get close to the current gold.

>>33099202
>>33099379
I'm pretty sure half his viewership doesn't really care about what is gaming content is. They just want to see him do his "acts". Which is an interesting phenomenon.

>>33099392
We are focusing on the game, not the person number

>>33099381
>They can't even get lines as long in Japan, their home country
Proof next thread yeah?
>They can't even sell out cafes in Japan, their home country
Proof in the next next thread yeah?
>t. last samurai
Ok, I guess you actually don't have any proof for ths one. Concession accepted

>>33097945
>Western fans
>NijiEN

>>33099273
'Barely stream' point was always bullshit in application to individual streamers. Plenty of EN girls stream higher than average hours compared to JP.
However, JP has 54 talents. EN has 11, and the center of HoloEN box tends to fuck off from time to time with no real replacement.

>>33099335
>Karaoke
>Outfit reveal
>Karaoke relay
>Karaoke relay
>Karaoke relay
>Karaoke relay
>Karaoke relay
>Karaoke
>Karaoke
>Karaoke
>Karaoke
Yeah it's fucking grim alright

>>33099294
EOPs abandoned their own chuubas, you think they'll watch haachama?
>her best friend abandoned her for bilibili.
lol, so what if she streamed on bili2? haachama has no grudge against the chinks anymore, move on.

>>33099438
LMAO

>>33099374
Man I want want the Tempus boys have but in HoloEN. Why can't w*men know camaraderie? It's always back handed compliments and passive aggressiveness and total apathy and fake excitement.

Btw an interesting thing
Last month I came across an ichimi pic at the hot spring Sankisei collabed with, it is STILL THERE
The collab started right before their concert, which mean it been running for at least 6 months

>>33097945
and there's the nijiroach, teeth rotting and crawling out of the woodwork to peddle his poisoned wares after shitting on his superiors.
it's almost as if they're following some sort of SOP handbook.

Suisei 25k

>>33098082
Can't argue with simple math!