/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

she gets paid for minimum effort, why should she try
you wouldn't

>>33071876
Yeah I love Gura but that was kinda weird. Hopefully she sorts out whatever is troubling her.

>>33071876
I hope Mori didn't make her fall again in alcoolism.

>>33071876
ame started treating her like shit and mori has the male fever.
she has no reason to be happy in these collabs

>>33071876
she's an alcoholic that has depression. par for the course after the buzz and novelty of getting the shiny new weeb job wore out.

>>33071876
I agree. I don't care that much about the lack of streams, it's clearly a symptom of a larger problem. I worry about her. I hope she's seeing a therapist or something.

>>33071876
Mori got her addicted to booze again during the "rager".
Sorry chumbuds. We tried to warn you.

>>33072233
>New
She's been a vtuber for years

She had a nasty breakup with her BF.

>>33072359
but hololive is a "corporation" and she probably had parents constantly telling her to get a "real job"

>>33072359
Getting into Hololive (was) a huge step up and meant a quantitative difference back then anon.

She put a lot of effort into the big brain game thing.

try watching streams faggot. On top of all the time she's been putting into her projects she flat out said she's been dealing with a lot of difficult real life shit recently and has actually been depressed

>>33071876
probably jealous that an orange homo managed to get the cover to Queen and not her.

>>33071876
She gets sick when doing full VR equipment, retarded threadreader

Its hard for her to move around in VR when she is pregnant with my child. Please understand.

>>33071876
Being scolded by Ame broke her. :(

>>33071876
she said she has irl things troubling her recently

>>33072629
>all the time she's been putting into her projects
Rumao

>>33071876
Actual depression. The kind where you spend all day in bed eating twix and go out in the same pants you slept in.

>>33072629
When did she say she was depressed?

She's bipolar from what I've seen. She's probably in her depressed mode now. She was rather high energy not too ago.

>>33073852
In the beginning of the Holocure stream last week.

>>33073980
She just said she was dealing with real life stuff, nothing about depression unless I missed it

>>33072482
She had a "real" job back then and I think she has one now too

>>33071979
This, but also not.

Gura actually gets shit done when she is forced to do it, and she will do it better than other holo (EN) members. Anything else, and you get minimum effort.

>>33071876
Seems like she's depressed, unfortunately. I just hope it's something she can recover from.

>>33074605
>gets shit done when she is forced to do it
>Anything else, and you get minimum effort
Soo like any other employee that needs to keep their job in any industry?

>>33071876
Can you blame her? Possessive Chumkeks wants to fuck her because she looks like a child.

>>33074857
She can dry her tears on the mattress of cash she's made. No sympathy for those on easy street.

>>33074600
She has definitely mentioned volunteering at an animal shelter, which is probably the extent of her "real job." Money isn't exactly an issue for her now, but doing the volunteer work probably keeps her head busy throughout the day, and it's a good to have something to fall back on in case being an entertainer is no longer profitable.

>>33072629
Again with the phantom projects....are you waiting for another MV made with powerpoint?

>>33073844
I do that and I'm not depressed.

>>33075460
Sad, but true.

Her Queen cover is not going to be as nearly as good as people think it is. Which is about the only project I can think she's still doing right now

i have theories, but they are too schizo, even for this place.

>>33076088
You can't just say this shit and not share with the class. Come on, give us the most schizo shit ya got

>>33071876
It's tempus
She's trusting the plan where the old holo girls could ignore jp stars but western/twitch culture heavily favors males, tempus will likely stay 4 views and be relevant forever. Now, every single time she's with mori or whoever on stream that's diddled with tempus, she's totally paranoid they'll go "yo remember when mag did this gura" which will make gura screech autistically since she went hardcore on ignoring their existence.

It gets more complicated because I firmly believe she interacted with them off stream but gave them the 'imma go idol route nothin personnel' talk - now everyone else in the company will see it as selfish since she's the biggest EN who would buff them super hard and it's been yagoo's dream to make male vtubers a thing so everyone else is giving her the dirty look that she'd rather keep her unicorns/pure idol status.

>>33075269
She doesn't volunteer there anymore considering schizo's used that little bit of personal information she shared with us to dox not only her but her family members, I strongly believe that was the start of her being ultra paranoid with her fans and avoiding talking about her personal life in any substantial way.

>>33076285
she's getting bigger and bigger, and separating her online persona from her rm is getting harder and harder because of self imposed isolation, resulting from fear of being found irl (beyond the things which have slipped through the cracks and everyone has seen). I honestly believe she lives in fear of being recognized now.

>>33071876
ignoring the other points about gura now a days. its more then likely just not feeling well while doing vr or just not feeling well doing vr shit at the time.

in regards to everything else who knows she might be burnt out or just not wanting todo as many hours

>>33075269
>to fall back on in case being an entertainer is no longer profitable.
Voluntary work isn't something to fall back on. More like investing or something that earns real bucks.
>>33077097
Funny since Mori and Kiara walk in daylight. Not like any yabs have any meaningful repercussions. They are too big to fail now.

>>33077097

didn't she straight up say that cover has been nixing all of her project ideas

i mean she was putting up nyanners-level creative content before she joined hololive and now all she can do is covers of the same japanese songs that other holomems have covered a dozen times and entertaining but neutered content like the big brain game

>>33071876
>>33071876
most likley tired of dealing with all her weirdo fans just like the rest of these broads

>>33077672
She's been frustrated at the fact that she's very limited in the things she can actually put out, and without a studio any 3D Live ideas are out the window.

>>33077672
I'd be mad too frankly.

>>33077672
further proof that fucking StarsEN gets treated better than the girls
i thought luxiem favoritism was Niji weakness but fucking nope, glass ceiling really exists
>just act cute and sing song, no need to do more gurachan

>>33071876
shes a dry drunk
t. a man who is the same way

>>33077232
Mori and Kiara has been under the spotlight with their rms though.. maybe that's why they are used to it or not bothered by schizos doxxing them? Esp in mori's case who has a rm that performs on stage?

>>33078663
And then rinse and repeat for the rest of your career.

God I can see why some of the girls get tired of it eventually. They want to spread their wings and do something creative but literally can't

>>33078663
Well, it's funny you mention Luxiem, because Vox is also having some depression and mental issues. I bet him and Gura would have a lot to commiserate about. He's under a lot of pressure to keep performing well, keep churning out the BFE, he clearly doesn't like it.

>>33071876
Coming to terms with having to sell her soul for money

>>33076797
That never happened

>>33078950
>he clearly doesn't like it.
nah, he loves it.

>>33077752
Hello tourist

>>33076797
I wish schizos didn't make things worse for everyone. Just enjoy the parasocial relationship like the rest of us without taking it too far and making the person fear for their life

>>33071876
>This is why chumbuds are shitting up all of the other threads and spamming bait on the other Myth members.
She's happy in her new home with her boyfriend. She's close to retirement and doesn't care anymore.

>>33077558
>>33077631

>>33077672
>>33077879
So she's gradually going towards the Coco route?

>They keep canceling her projects!
Like what? There's 100 monkeys on typewriters on this very site and I've never seen any ideas of something that might be getting canceled or vetoed. I'm actually more inclined to believe the opposite. She might just be pitching stuff that's barely a step up from reaction videos, but with potential permissions issues, for example.

>I want to watch movies and, like, rate the feet in them or something. Like, uh, rate disney princess feet!
>Gura that's just a watchalong with extra steps.

>>33080001

>>33080349
going right in the folder

>>33080349

>>33071876
she's preggy

>>33080427

>>33080427
this is now an ai thread

>>33080436
source: The voices in my head

>>33080494
weirdly kind of cute

>>33073931
if she was bipolar, she would have manic episodes during which she would stream more. But she doesn't.

>>33071876
Okay okay, but, does her back hort?

>>33076668
Smartest guy on the /vt/ short bus. Listen to him.

>>33071876
she has depression

>>33077232
>Funny since Mori and Kiara walk in daylight. Not like any yabs have any meaningful repercussions. They are too big to fail now.
Mori and Kiari aren't the biggest vtuber in the world. If Gura makes her RL presence too obvious there's a genuine chance she'd be John Lennon'd by some schizo.

>anniversary stream
>Doesn't bother using full body VR
>Doesn't take part in activities
>"What a snoozefest"
>"My favourite memory of Myth is when we started to do things with Council"
>"It wasn't friendship"
Overall she was a huge bitch during that stream. I think she unironically hates her job and Myth now. She does the bare minimum and doesn't even pretend anymore.

>>33071979
she has the taco bell and gacha game shill cash now, no need for streaming money

>>33074477
you didn't, dude is just pulling shit out of his ass

>>33081318
Don't forget her and Calli using the opportunity for throw shade at Cover staff when Kiara tried to get the girls to do an anniversary vow for self improvement.

>>33077879
>>33077672
ah yes her genius ideas stolen from twitch like reaction videos, no wonder management is slapping down this bitch and i'm glad they are.

>"My favourite memory of Myth is when we started to do things with Council"
Did she actually say this or even mention them? I can't find when she said this.

>>33071876
it's over

>>33081318
the 'what a snoozefest' was her playing with the ZZZZ emote. The memory thing is a dumb to criticize her on because it had myth too. The only valid points you have is not bothering to use VR and throwing shade at management when Kiara was making a valid point about committing to be more timely with their stuff.

also mentioning on stream how much she wants to do youtube react content. getting closer to that vshojo/indie chuuba style every day and less interested in the rules of hololive.

i think gura achieved financial success, and accomplished basically all of her hololive goals in about a year and a half. at this point she wants to clock in and clock out the bare minimum.

makes me wonder how much longer she'll actually stay. probably reupped her contract for the next year but, she can literally quit at any time and be set for life. imagine having that much money and still give 100% at work.

>>33081856
dude are vtubers multimillionaires in your head

>>33081856
she should just go indie and do whatever she wants without the corporate rules hanging over her head, or even get picked up by like vshojo like kson and rushia, where they actually let their members do what they want instead of making you get approval for literally everything

>>33081856
It's kind of tragic. This was literally her childhood dream, and she's living it, but it isn't making her happy after all.

>>33081999
Gura is if she invested properly. Just that taco bell sponsorship is 200k and she gets tons of memberships monthly. Who knows how much money those gacha games threw at her for the song singing.

>>33082040
If Gura gets picked up by Vshojo /vt/ would need to be wiped from the site
Wouldn't be worth attempting to moderate the resulting anarchy

>>33082040
>actually let their members do what they want instead
You mean act like whores and react to videos?

>>33081787
Anon it's more than that, it's her whole attitude.
She didn't even wanted to join the Myth short zatsu around the table. And they had nice discussions going on.
Something was definitely off about her

>>33082307
She said in a previous stream that she was dealing with something bad IRL. Think it was the HoloCure stream.

>>33082040
I hope they do that. After their 3rd big star leaving Cover will finally realize they need to give a bit more of freedom, right?

>>33082307
Fair enough I agree that was weird too but I don't think she was trying to be malicious with the memory pick or snoozefest thing. Might still be feeling crummy or stressed about her own stuff she's preparing to release.

>>33082446
Oh, I didn't know. It might be that then. Because this isn't the Gura I like. She was more annoying than bratty

>>33081856
React content is pretty huge though right? And it can't be worse than Rust spam or Elden Ring spam. Could be fun actually, like a little improv performance

>>33082040
between her and mori, after hearing about all the management troubles, projects getting cancelled, etc. i genuinely think they might be happier being able to pursue any projects and being free from all the extra work that hololive requires.

>>33071876
She sed a doctor is involved and they caught it early so its serious. It could be early onset alzheimer's and or cancer. She did not ever say and that's her choice if she does tell us in my opinion.

>>33082561
If Gura gets permission to react content, Cover would limit it to a selection picked out by Gura's manager that they can get perms to react to.

>>33082561
It loses its novelty fast and becomes lazy ass low effort content where they just mindlessly play clips and 'laugh' or say a word or two.

>>33082477
I don't understand why they join organizations like hololive in the first place that control everything they do, especially for someone who already had a following like gura did. they have to ask for approval for what games they even play,
I watch more indie vtubers than anything, and I like how they just do whatever they feel like, and don't really have rules to follow short of whatever will get them banned on the streaming platforms

>>33082477
I hope not, freedom = being a twitch whore that does dumb shit while coasting by on low effort content.

>>33082207
>You mean act like whores and react to videos?
>Gura positioned herself like she was giving the viewer a blowjob
>Recently queried chumbuds on their thoughts on streamers doing reaction videos
Anon...

>>33082551
In the same stream she also said Cover's got one guy that handles game permissions and he's out right now, and she told chat she'd like to do reaction content but knew it wasn't possible. Rrat but maybe she's already told Cover she intends to graduate soon and that's why she's so checked out.

>>33082561
absolutely, and i think gawr gura (or her RM) reacting to "your" favorite youtube memes or tiktoks? fucking HUGE, at least in the beginning, and would still pull consistent viewership if vshojo/twitch are anything to go by

>>33082671
Why else? because they want that ticket to fame and an audience. Even the ones that were semi-famous before didn't have near as much consistent income. Hololive is a fucking lottery ticket.

>>33082652
This literally happen with her meme review. She was restricted in what she could have selected to put on screen.

>>33071876
If youre refering to the anniversary collab, she didnt have vr on because it makes her motion sick.
The alternative to interacting with the motion tracking and VR would be to interact with default emotes, which she did. Thats why it seems like she was detached from things.
It's no big controversy.

>>33082042
She just wants to be a memer and a troll. That's literally her dream.

>Streamer that recently gave birth to triplets tired all the time
Am I missing something, why would OP act as if that's unusual?

>>33082042
yeah it's pretty sad to see the passion fading away, i dont know if it's the rules of hololive, just doing the same job for an extended period, the audience, or just not feeling fulfilled creatively. in any case, it sucks to see it happen.

>>33082954
I thought twin sharks eat each other in the womb.

>>33082841
money isn't everything, having no creative control really sucks the life out of you, which sounds like is at least part of what's going on

>>33080286
She mentioned those in her member streams, like having one or 2 projects red lighted moments before completion(apparently she had something even bigger planned for her birthday, but management literally changed their mind last second, but she doesn't want to reveal what was it in case they change their mind), also mentioned I this month that she got another project in development hell. She's supposed to make some big announcement on her anniversary stream, so we'll see what was actually done. I don't think she'll chose the Coco route though, she seems to genuinely like her members.

>>33082935
>She just wants to be a memer and a troll. That's literally her dream.
I wonder who's happier, Gura or Nyanners. They both had the same dream.

>>33081600
When zatsudans exist there's nothing wrong with react content. Just chilling with your oshi every so often watching dumb videos and chit-chatting can be a pretty nice time as long as it's not every fucking day.

I broke up with her so she is depressed.

>>33082768
Wouldn't it be a bit rash and too soon to graduate? I'm sure she has made alot of money but after others' cuts and taxes I can't see her having made more than 10 million in the last 2 years and that isn't enough for 50+ years unless she plans to just have plain living standards and not splurge. Does she think she can return to PL and carry over a large segment of her current fanbase to continue supporting her?

>>33083125
Nyanners:
>can meme or troll as much as she wants without much restriction
>sizeable dedicated audience
>management handled by company
>able to openly have RM relationship without major backlash
>can play basically any(?) game (not sure if vshojo needs permissions like holo does)
>less work required by vsohjo outside of streaming


at least thats my perception of it, but i don't know all the details

>>33083369
They literally haven't had an "official" 3d debut yet. Of course it would be too soon.

>>33083104
Her big announcement will be a special collab she is doing with Council. Mark my words, save this message, because its going to be true. It's no secret she enjoys being around Council more. This recent anniversary stream is the final nail in the coffin with her disinterested she was the entire time. Couldn't even bother to set up her trackers for VR.

>>33071876
The EN civil war is taking a toll on her mind and body. Keeping the homos at bay isnt an easy task, but she's the only one that can do it

>>33083129
zatsudans force you to come up with topics and conversate, videos are lazy fodder that you can let do the work for you

>>33083369
wait what. are you talking usd? 10 million usd? a person making 6 figures would have to work for 100 years to make that, and you're saying that's the threshold for making it 50 years? what planet do you live on?

>>33083012
sure but 2views and indies aren't gonna pay the bills with money. the ones that are self sustaining(snuffy etc) don't generally join stuff like hololive.

>>33083443
The horny-boy audience is a pain. Super high maintinence.

>>33083369
i think she could return to a PL to go indie or maybe even join vshojo using that account a la kson. or even start fresh and go the indie/vshojo route. i think the news would be big enough to boost her in the early months after leaving, and would establish a core audience that would be much smaller but still enough to provide solid consistent income semi-long term

>>33073844
Thats what qualifys as depression nowdays?

>>33083569
You guys care too much about "lazy content." You can't stomach the idea of watching shit with your oshi and bantering about it every so often? Movie watchalongs are worse than that.

>>33083369
>>33083689
the funny thing is that her PL collabed with dudes for the majority of the time, hilarious considering what chumbuds keep self fellating over her being some unicorn bastion when her true nature is all over the internet.

>>33083838
Her PL is not Gura

>>33083611
FIRE plans for those planning to retire early and live very austerely typically require ~2 million usd if you plan to retire in your 40s. Gura has a couple extra decades on that plus she doesn't strike me as the type to go to the lengths that these FIRE folks do in cutting monthly costs.

>>33083838
>>33083873
>PL
Fuck off doxxniggers

>>33083104
Only so much you can handle your ideas being kneecapped by a system that refuses to understand before you bounce.

>>33083873
Cope

>>33074974
Yes just like me. If they want me to work better, pay me more.

>>33083829
never cared for movie watchalongs either, if you're defending lazy content so much you'd be much better watching not hololive.

>>33071876
She is hiding from the current drama.
Smart.

>>33083873
sure but the conversation is about how much of her current fanbase would follow over if she went back to that, would they lose their horn?

>>33083943
>PL
>Dox
lol.

>>33072328
Someone needs to assassinate mori before she makes vtubing just a weird covid fad

Gura is popular enough that if she went indie enough of her fanbase would follow her to make a living off of it. If Kson and Nazuna can do it, Gura sure as hell could.

>>33081626
She picked the Myth + council + Irys collab in VR chat as her favorite moment and mentioned them along with the rest of the girls as the most fun she's had on stream.

>>33083968
It's literally not Gura, this is a stupid and desperate reach to drag Gura to the level of the rest.

>>33083943
ah yea the one she referenced in her own debut thumbnail and numerous other times with LE COUNTRY ROADS. you idiots overuse DOXX when it was a public persona.

>>33083977
There is literally nothing wrong with react content as long as they don't rely on it and don't donowall their chat whilst doing so.

>>33084115
sounds like insane mental gymnastics bro, and a pornstar isn't a whore with her regular non stage name with that logic.

>>33084032
>>33084051
this, she would lose a big chunk, but enough old viewers/new viewers would be there to still do good enough numbers to pull sponsorships, memberships, etc.

>>33082477
Restrictions can breed creativity. Also I would argue that there's a level of sanatization that you get out of most of HoloEN and NijiEN that's refreshing. I don't want to hear your retarded take on whatever politically charged topic is buzzing around in your head right now, I want you to be funny or cute and entertain me.

>>33082159

Where you ass-pulling that number from?

We literally don't know how their pay structure is within the company outside of superchats, which we know they only get 35% of. None of them have talked about any of the other financials given / taken by the companies.

>>33084204
You're the one doing mental gymnastics, you're comparing something that happened years ago before she even knew what Hololive was to shit happening today done by people who are actually a part of it. It's pure desperation.

>>33082935
That's her dream now, but she's said more than once that when she was a kid she wanted to be Hatsune Miku when she grew up.
Gawr Gura is basically as close as a human can get to that in 2022.

>>33084115
>>33083873
I find it hilarious that unicorn fags larping here don't know that actual idol culture cares about their off stage relations the most and stalk them like crazy and its a big deal if a relationship is exposed. You see it in kpop and jpop all the time. They don't care about professional stage collabs but an actual relationship and you're done. Enough with the character mask cope.

No-laugh batsu wheel reaction streams can be pretty fun and interactive if done well. I'd be ok with those.

>>33084288
Well what you want isn't what everyone does. Otherwise none of these other indie/western vtubers would be popular. You would stop watching her. That doesn't apply to everyone.

>>33084409
No one cares, we're talking about vtubers, not whatever kpop shit you're going on about.

>>33084491
That was in response to saying Cover needs to change their rules, not about Gura in general.

>>33083129
Every streamer does it because it statistically gets 20% more views. The companies should be hiring clippers to package their content more to help support them and help them create more content that isnt just live streams which involve scuffed interactions in real time.

>>33084522
Alright, disregard then. I can agree with that assertion. Hololive is Hololive. Expecting them to change their strategy on a dime is hopium at best.

>>33084494
where do you think the idol culture that hololive talks about comes from faggot? You can't just make up new rules. It's either one or the other. If you're arguing hololive idol culture is different then the fags here should be shitting on FBK/Sora too. The ones breaking the idol culture the most are Mumei/Fauna and would be torn to shreds in the actual idol industry while people here praise them for not doing collabs with their coworkers lol.

>>33080286
she wanted to do an 80s City Pop style song for Umisea but they said no
also they shot down a daki idea too

>>33082865
For youtube adsense to work yes. Or they get dmca'd and fucked by it. Twitch is the one currently openly flaunting dmca laws and not protecting copyrights. The work around is to have fans create memes like what Jschlatt does.

>>33084700
Culture changes, we can't compare the two one to one.

>>33082671

They use the company for it's name, that's it.

The Cover name, especially the Hololive branch, is a massive buff to anyone's resume.

RM growth after joining the company is extremely obvious, doubling their bases on the low end, frequently much, much more as well.

>>33084172
????? do you even know what react content is?

>>33084785
Do you? The fuck are you even trying to imply? Fucking brainlet.

>>33084785
React content as something used sparingly is alright. The issue is it becomes semi-easy content for someone so it starts being the only easy content they do when they need an easy day. And then more and more easy days start happening and their channel turns into 75% react content.

>>33084733
can't wait until companies wise up and react content streamers are forced to actually work once they start getting strikes constantly

>>33082671
same reason any creative entity attaches itself to a corporate entity: wider distribution, human resources, management, funding.

musicians, artists, game devs, etc. etc.

>>33084904
explain to me how is it not wrong to be a lazy fuck and leech of other peoples content? go fucking beg on xqc chat for he to become a vtuber if you want that shit so badly

>>33082671
You don't enter Hololive with the intention of just being a streamer as much as /vt/ would like to believe so, Nijisanji is right there if you want streamers, Hololive is for those that kinda want to be streamers but also do projects too big for their own, if you can't stream something or say x, in general it won't matter too much because the average Holomem is in there for other projects bigger than just merch, which for the average streamer merch is already a pretty big announcement because it's overall rare for regular streamers to get merch and even more rare when it's not simple or just shitty because that market is filled with scammers and low quality control
On the freedom part, well, Hololive had more freedom in the past but thanks to schizos on similar levels to those of here, Capcom being shitty and Susan being retarded, Hololive had to implement some restrictions, schizos caused Aloe to graduate and the Taiwan arc, Capcom showed that if you don't stream with permissions a talent is in risk of getting graduated at any moment a company doesn't like something and Susan consistently restricts what can and can't be monetized and had issues with HoloSummer 2019 which is why it didn't came back until recently. If the talents could stream or say whatever they wanted without getting in trouble, management would allow it, but a lot of stuff came up that showed that they can't really do that so restrictions will be in place until something changes
FYI, just because Hololive imposes restrictions that indies don't doesn't mean that indies are actually free to do whatever they please, the biggest difference between Hololive and indies is that Hololive is a much bigger target and easy to notice when they do something someone doesn't like, there's for example no precedent indicating that you can stream whatever game you want due to fair use, if tomorrow 2k feels like being shittier than usual they could sue all GTA content creators that never asked for permissions and there's little they could do and in some cases indies already break the rules and can't get monetized, which is Patreon has become such a popular service for those that break the rules consciously and consistently

>>33084715
>she wanted to do an 80s City Pop style song for Umisea but they said no
What the fuck! Why Cover why, Umisea's musical releases have been the worst garbage ever produced by Hololive. Marine has sung Enka songs so she has a taste for old styles. This reeks of Cover pushing back on Aqua's behalf or something.

>>33085068
Well thought out answer and take. Never thought I'd see that here.

>>33085068
words

>>33084937
Dmca is a bullshit law to begin with. Youtube content is a bitch to create for that reason even if it pay is so damn good. Open up a meme on stream? Oh look someone bought the roghtd to it immediately. Guess you have to give them all the money from that stream. It's especially bad with background noise like music. They claim that the random faint noise in the background is the content of the video. Boom you now have to share revenue with them.

>>33085115
gura isn't the leader of the umisea project. it was marine's idea and she got cover to help. they wanted a more summer idol song which tracks with jp logic. gura shouldn't be upset that something that isn't her project was changed for her whims only. that's being a bit selfish.

>>33082768
Oh dear god anon, she's not planning on graduating at all

>>33085192
I agree that it's bullshit in a lot of cases but I just want twitch react andys to get a taste of their own medicine for blatantly ripping content and monetizing it while sitting back and receiving donos and money.

>>33085192
you never tried to be a youtuber lol thats not how it works

>>33082750
>Recently queried chumbuds on their thoughts on streamers doing reaction videos
proof? was it a memberz stream?

>>33084980
If it comprised of a large amount of their content, yeah I'd agree with you. Once in every 5 or 10 streams, though? Boy, it's so much more lazy than playing Holocure 3 times a week...

>>33084051

Gura isn't really pulling that bigger numbers than any of the other girls in terms of CCV. Sure, she's got the biggest sub base, but that's it.

It's just pure hope that the majority would suddenly sub to a PL account or actually go watch her there.

>>33085365
don't feel like scrubbing the original stream for the timestamp but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMdNCrWsl94


it was her most recent holocure stream, not a members stream

>>33082307
Honestly based, myth is tanking due to Ame and Calli

>>33085419
holocure takes a lot of effort to play and talk and the same time so yeah it'd be much more lazy.

>>33082671
Being part of a company supposedly helps with the initial stages of streaming, its like a trade off i think. You sacrifise your future growth potential to get to that point in less time

>>33085428
I didn't say that she's pulling bigger numbers. Nor did I say that the majority would follow her. The majority doesn't have to. Again, if Kson and Nazuna can do it, Gura sure as hell can.

>>33085502
What the fuck does that even matter? You just don't like react content because you despise the western "creators" that OVERuse it.

The fact the some people want fucking react content from fucking gura GO FUCKING WATCH VSHITJO THEN FUCKTARDS, reaction content is so fucking bland holy fucking shit go get a rope

>>33085262
That cacophony of noise is an 'summer idol song'?

>>33085355
Sure ig, not like there is actual transparent streamers out there who show whether videos are monetized or shit like (off topic from vtubers) or shit like spoonkid who got a dmca strike for trying to bring awareness to youtubes top comment stealing problem. He then showed all the bullshit behind fighting a dmca and how regardless if you get dmca strike the video goes to the shadowrealm and stops trending in the algos
>get 100k views on a video in a day
>dmca'd strike
>fights it
>video is brought back
>up for months
>something like 180k views

>>33085810
There is nothing wrong with it sparingly you fucking whiny sperg. Zatsudans are the blandest fucking shit on the planet, along with movie watchalongs. My opinion is superior to yours. How do you feel about that, idolfag?

>>33085838
Yes sadly, which is why I find a lot of idol purist music tiring and most of the pure idol songs from HL kinda boring besides the goats.

>>33085758
you dont fucking deserve good content if you think "what the fuck being and entretaning at a game matter?" go watch xqc if you want reaction shit or vshojo, no fucking duh people despise that low effort dogshit stuff

>>33085927
>>33085758
I'm sorry your oshi is so boring they can't carry a pure zatsu stream without having to steal content from others.

>>33085943
Because playing a game is not required to be entertaining. In fact you're saying that you CAN'T be entertaining if you're doing react content, which is fucking retared. You literally have no brain.

>>33071876
She’s realized how much fucking better she is than her genmates and hates the direction they are trying to push EN

>>33086007
I'm sorry that you can't live a single day of your life without xqc living in your head rent free. Get a fucking life.

>>33086066
and what direction is that? lemme here your schizo tempus collab deflecting even though Mori was the first one outright to tell people not to beg from collabs from girls that don't mention them.

>>33086055
NO FUCKING AMOUNT OF ""REACTION"" THAT THE LEECH CAN DO WILL EVER COMPARE TO THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME OF THE ORIGINAL CONTENT, DO YOU WATCH A VIDEO AND THINK THEY CAME UP WITH IT IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF ITS LENGTH? FFS THESE XQC TARDS

>>33086133
I wasn't even the anon that used xqc as an example, it's the fucking twitch meta now with everyone doing it including other vtubers.

>>33086159
Mori initiates male collabs and invites others. That is enough.

>>33078663
It's ridiculous how they got everything handed to them, even collabs with the girls. They lifted the fucking collab ban just so they could collab with Mori but never did that for the girls so they could collab with JP girls. It's fucking ridiculous how these fags get treated like kings from day 1.

i wouldn't mind react content if it was a group/collab like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csBfhBpsAoo

but gura is hilarious so maybe she could make it entertaining on her own

>>33085927
Your so fucking retarded and lacking so many braincells that its so sad to see you try, having to make conversation out of basically nothing is how you know someone is a good entertainer, movies watchalongs suck too they're not different form react content, stay mad that you would never understand how it is to have a fucking brain retard to use to judge and discern quality shit, obviously you're too braindead to undestand why my opinion is superior normiefag

>>33086267
Ones that are willing to yes. She has never mentioned them in front of the ones don't. Only Ollie has done that 'sin' by promoting Tempus in a group collab once and she's not EN so your argument falls apart.

>>33086295
GURA BREATHING STREAM WHEN? WHAT? YOU WOULDNT WANT TO WATCH YOUR OSHI BREATH FOR 1 HOUR AND 30 MINUTES? ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT LESS GURA? GET OFF HERE YOU DONT LIKE GURA

>>33086206
Its the number one recipe to get more viewers. Small medium or large. It gets more viewers and is easier content. The great thing is fans will even make it for the streamer to make them laugh and tiktok being so shady of ecosystems it creates. It figures out what content you like and piles it on you but you look at friends phone who is not a coomer and its cooking videos and shit.

>>33071876
>she

You don't know that, and neither do we.

>>33071876
Gaw Gura isn't really a vtuber as you or I know it anymore. We need to drop this concept of her.

Gura is now a mascot, or a brand. Basically she doesn't need to stream anymore, only enough to still exist as a technicality.

>>33080349
>Didn't even tell Dall-e to make Mori look like shrek
>she still looks like shrek

>>33086368
Less would collab if she never invited any. For example, Kronii only attended because Mori invited her. Plus being on Trash Taste instantly makes her terrible.

>>33086290

1) There was a pretty big outcrying for the collabs, both from the fans and from the girls who wanted to collab with them.

2) None of them have been forced or even coerced into doing it, they were willing participants.

>Cover gives them no help for external projects
>Many of those projects are killed before they go anywhere
>No proper 3D debut yet, 2 fucking years later
>No touch up of her model even though a 2.0 would benefit her greatly considering how bad her base model is
I wouldn't give a fuck either, just ride the gravy train till it crashes into the wall, unlike Sana, Gura is pretty much untouchable.

>>33086538
Really doubt that, all the shit kronii sperged about and how she mentioned that she'd be open to collabing with them before when a troll sc asked about vesper happened before the dbd collab

>>33086575
Mori LITERALLY puts a gun to their heads and FORCES to collab anon.

>>33086646
>No proper 3D debut yet, 2 fucking years later
how is Japan being closed Cover's fault? She's gotten more than Council has.

>>33086795
>Japan is closed
>Niji is literally flying like 16 of their EN people for their big event on October 1st
Yea sure they are.
Nevermind all the fuckers I know going over there like its nothing, Japan is not fucking closed and its about goddamn time they got their 3D debuts.

>ZOTTED AGAIN
https://twitter.com/RenZott0/status/1569540622738157576

>>33086795

Japan opened their borders for business travel almost half a year ago, if they had wanted EN Gen 1, hell Gen 2 for that matter at this point, to have proper 3D Debuts they could have brought them in on work travel visas. Likewise, ID is about to have their 3D debut, so clearly it is possible to get to Japan.

>>33071876
Gura fucking hates what her genmates and Hololive have become. Even Ina has been getting closer to Mori. She thought they were all friends but only if you conform to Mori's agenda. Kiara knew this shit was all business but Gura is learning a hard lesson.

>>33086949
Based Zen pouring more fuel on the fire.

>>33076797
Nothing angers schizos more than people enjoying a vtuber they hate.

You dont even need a covid test to get into Japan anymore and the guided tour shit is gone.
No excuses.

>>33086951
it wasn't as simple as that, only certain categories qualified and vtubing/entertainer wasn't one of them. ID1 is only NOW able to get it because of loosened restrictions and it's easy since they're all in indonesia and were waiting longer than Myth. Myth will get it in 2023 or EOY.

>>33087093
>only certain categories qualified and vtubing/entertainer wasn't one of them.
And yet nijisanji can do it.
Can you explain that?

>>33086949
>>33087035
based, now the the schizo hate can alternate between him and 'forced male collab' deflection

>>33087145
Only recently and their 3D shit is not even close to HL. Garbage rushed shit.

>>33086405
Why are you so upset?

>>33084115
>"drag"
Buddy, More then 90% of the people out there honestly doesn't give a fuck if Gura even had a past relationship. Trust me, most will not care that she had talked to dudes before.

>>33087206
>Only recently
Nope, they've known about it for months.
>and their 3D shit is not even close to HL. Garbage rushed shit.
KEK, Niji 3D BTFOs holo in every metric, this just sounds like some major cope.

>>33087823
Why not watch Niji then?

>>33071876
She's become depressed because everyone knows she pees the bed and Ame hates her for doing it when they slept over

>>33088143
I do
I just want the EN girls to get their proper 3D debuts. My holo oshi deserves it.

>>33089690
The way you talk about Holo girls makes me think otherwise. Or are you just being extremely critical? I want the EN girls to get proper 3D too but Cover always seems to drag their feet on everything.

Honestly, the react video conversation kinda seemed like she just wanted to watch videos with someone, like she sees it as an excuse to hang out and have something to talk about because she doesn't like talking about herself all too much. Which, I can see that aspect. But when react content is the bulk of your content, that's when it's lazy.

>>33090021
Im critical because I care, being critical about something you enjoy means you don't blindly consume it and you want it to be better.
Whatever arbitrary metric exists for the EN girls to get a proper 3D debut or proper resources, they passed a long time ago.
I'm not even asking for MORE resources being given, I'm simply asking for their fair share, if Cover can give bikinis and more kimonos to the JP girls, they can sure as fuck spare a few outfits for council, or fuck even include some of the EN girls in said bathing suit events.

I'm tired of this endless ass dragging from Cover.

>>33091111
Yeah she wants to do react videos because she's not much of a gamer and she already played through the shit that interests her and their permissions guy is fucking useless. So as a streamer that leaves zatsudans which eventually devolve into divulging personal information which she tries to avoid, or doing react content.

>>33091111
No, all react content is unequivocally lazy, boring content that the creator should be ashamed of. There is no reasoning or frequency that makes it okay.

>>33082159
>taco bell sponsorship is 200k
You lost the right to post from this point.

>>33085838
Umisea is really atrocious even for a idol song standard.

>>33087823
I don't really see how currently Niji 3Ds are better. You're right if you compare them to the old 3D models from the first two holofes, but now?

>>33084358
35% of ad revenue from a 4 mil sub channel, memberships, merchandise, sponsorships. She's a multimillionaire and it's not debatable.

I don't understand why react content is so vilified when there's nothing better than laughing at silly shit as a group. I'd love to watch stuff with Gura.

>>33086055
You're so fucking retarded it hurts.

>>33086646
Why do chumbies throw up stuff all the girls deal with and make out it is some unique misery?

EN and JP all deal with management being difficult and struggling to do the things they want. Difference is most will still put effort into important streams, and you know actually stream in general. Hell Gura has gotten an idol unit with 2 songs, multiple 3D stage appearances and Hologra. She gets more than anyone else in EN.

>>33071876
The real Gura died on November 6, 2021. Every appearance since then has been pre-recorded or an AI deepfake.

They cut down her number of hours to try and stretch out the pre-recorded content for a few more months. They wanted to wait until after EN gen 3 comes out before she "retires" (they will never admit what really happened)

>>33071876
>>33072860
>>33082882
The only two posts explaining it, but ofc they get ignored.

>>33092608
I watch vtubers to see them be entertaining, react content is watching a pre-made video be entertaining while the streamer at best mumbles a bit. Gura even says she wants to do it while eating food, that's what streamers do to bump their hours.

>there's nothing better than laughing at silly shit as a group
Making original content to laugh at

>>33080202
All roads lead to this

>>33093173
Gura's watchalongs are fine tho, she's very chatty during them.
I'd be annoyed if she did nothing but those tho

>>33093106
Because you can still have a desktop setup with half-body tracking. Gura can't even be bothered to do that.

Fast catalog we have nowadays...

>>33084715
it's bizarre they told her a gura daki would be illegal

>>33071876
Imagine being at the top and your peers are a hiki artist who never talks about anything interesting and is constantly on edge, a dumb sperg bitch who after two fucking years still hasn't bothered to train singing even when you have an offcollab karaoke planned with her, an alcoholic wigger who feels physical pain when she even thinks about being nice to a male, and a wannabe idol whose worst traits are that she refuses to try a new voice and she's a numberfag but you hardly ever get the chance to collab with her because you're hardstuck NA primetime and she's EU. Meanwhile you're the funniest, best voice, best singer, best at random chatting streams, best comedian, highest numbers and you understand the market better than the ceo of your company. Thus Gura is most comfortable with Mumei and Fauna. They are competent, good at singing, they have good voices and they aren't boring bitches 24/7. It's hard to find that in EN.

this is the most parasocial shit and everyone posting in this thread needs to touch grass, hit the gym, get a life, talk to their parents, socialize in a club, learn a new skill, get more hobbies, really anything besides being this fucking obsessed that you're debating an entertainer's life like the military debating whether or not to nuke a country or some shit. fucking disturbing

>>33082609
What compells you to post that?

>>33071876
she’s pregnant (again)

>>33086646
Let me understand you correctly, Gura gets to be unique and special in spite everyone else in EN and ID also having to deal with similar issues and not being a fucking bitch about it.

Sounds like while Moona is a Diva in terms of musical talent, Gura is a Diva in her temperament.

>>33071979
This is really what people don't understand. Everything takes the path of least resistance, that's just nature, so if she makes tens of thousands of dollars a month by slacking off this much then why the fuck wouldn't she? It's literally the fans' fault for lowering their standards this much, lol.

>>33076797
>>33077097
Never happened and if gura ever had her identity leaked, they wouldn't have a single fan remaining

>>33099766
I dunno. Everyone hates Mori, but Mori is grinding all day every day. She's going on tour. She's dropping EPs, Albums, and singles regularly. She's still streaming more than Gura. Even while she's traveling.

With the others, Kiara is still streaming the most of anyone in Myth. Ame is streaming and building out her studio. Ina's not streaming, but this is her side job.

Even within Myth, Gura is uniquely lazy.

>>33099596
t. totally not a jealous indog

>>33082671
Gura had a following, but she had no idea how to monetize it back then.

>>33098038
I don't think Mumei is as close to Gura as she used to be. Obviously Kronii has mostly moved on too. I think Gura is the type of person that the more you get to know her, the less you like her. We saw it with Ame. We are seeing it with Kronii and Mumeii. We saw it with Mori. Fauna just is a very tolerant person who is nice to pretty much everyone. But I think the shin of collabing with Gura is starting to lose its luster even for her.

>>33075460
>Again with the phantom projects
you are not even watching streams so shut your whoremouth

I'm gonna laugh so hard remembering this thread when Gura reveals the projects she's been working on in her stream tonight. Y'all are gonna look so stupid.

>>33099920
Yeah a lot of people forget that Gura streams the least and this is her main job. She literally let success get to her head and thinks she is invincible. Meanwhile, as you said, Mori is making bank off of hololive plus her music career plus her roommate career. She's literally double dipping and still streams more than Gura.

>>33071876
She joined Hololive to be a cute girl for her audience who messes around with other cute girls. She most likely can't stomach cunts like Mori, Ame and Bae who are likely being obnoxious whores behind the scenes trying to peer pressure her and others to fuck tempiss.

>>33086646
Now imagine that, but you don't get a chance to be in corpo projects like UmiSea or get a contract with UMG, but you still put out a handful of singles on your dime AND also dig into getting 3d concerts on your dime.
Not trying to play the 'my Oshi has it harder' game, but management is a shit excuse to use if you really like what you're doing.

>>33100265
>the projects she's been working on
Everyone works on projects though. Mori always has a few in the pipeline along with flying around the world. Gura's last huge project was, a basic gameshow. It was cool and all but hardly this monumental task that requires she doesn't stream and play rust 24/7.

>>33100443
Basically this. She’s realized half her genmates are whores that are influencing her EN kouhais into becoming whores as well. I imagine she is pretty fed up with them and at this point doesn’t want to associate with most if possible. Can’t blame her really

>>33100443
Hmm... I wonder why she keeps hanging out with Bae in those large collabs like Minecraft or Rust then, if she's really such a peer pressuring annoyance off-stream, Gura must hate her right?

Gura really wants to quit vtubing but she doesn't have the heart to tell her fans.

>>33093173
You should watch Gura's member watchalong of Monty and see her reaction to "oral sex"

>>33087823
>btfo
No.

The dude who thought was her cousin actually was and she's dealing with that

>>33072629
>all the time she's been putting into her projects
>muh projects
Kek here they go again

>>33083818
>lack of energy
>aches, pains, headaches
>taking part in fewer social activities
>neglecting your hobbies and interests
>finding it difficult to make decisions
>drop in motivation
>feeling guilt-ridden
>quick to temper or sadness

So basically things that every person on earth suffers from at some point. Except these days zoomers tag themselves with it under an umbrella term such as "depression" or "anxiety". And then just use it as an excuse for their shortcomings.

>>33091761
It absolutely is, we only know they get 35% of SC and about 50% from memberships. Things like ad revenue and sponsorships, we have no idea who much the talent actually makes from those. Unless you have hard data showing how much is distributed to a Holo for those, we simply don't know. And for point of refrence, Kiara, the 2nd most SC'd member in Myth (and EN for the longest time) has only made somewhere in the the 6 figures

>>33074605
why work hard on this fake unity bullshit

>>33074605
>Gura actually gets shit done when she is forced to do it,
rumao such as what? How many examples can you give me?

>and she will do it better than other holo (EN) members.
and again, such as what exactly?

>>33075179
That’s not how it works, you apathetic asshole

>>33073562
Well if the current political sphere is anything to go by, she's probably worried sick that Radleftists are gonna find her and attack her, which I don't blame her for fearing

>>33105042
Wait what?

>>33093284
graduation?

>>33104957
Who gives a shit how "it works". She's exceedingly wealthy, probably lives in a large home and has one of the easiest jobs in existence. So far she's winning the life lottery, so by all means she can feel sad, but she won't recieve any sympathy from me.

>>33105479
Yeah because you’re a jealous fuck who can’t feel sympathy towards others because you’re a lonely retard which coincidentally is the same reason why you’ll always stay this way

>>33105997
Holy projecting

To be frank the impression I get is that Gura is terrified of her fans these days. But she also loves them.
That's not an easy pile of baggage to untangle or live with.

>>33107688
She's been afraid of her fans since the casual outfit incident. Fucking retards spamming and harassing people for days on end.

>>33077097
I'm going to find Gura! And when i do she will sign my fucking petition!

>>33099894
She's that ugly huh?

>>33099894
What makes you say that? What is it about HER that makes the situation so much different compared to every other Holo?

>>33071876
its over

>>33072463
GF*

>>33101944
Owarida...

>>33075172
>implying that bothers her

>>33081856
Dude she at best she gets a couple hundred thousand a year that's not "set for life." You think they get a dollar for every sub or some shit?

>>33099894
I'm pretty sure people have posted her first and last name, age, and some house address that I pray is bogus.

>>33102686
>Kiara, the 2nd most SC'd member in Myth (and EN for the longest time) has only made somewhere in the the 6 figures

Gura top of the top 1% vtuber
not making 7 figures already per year would just be weird.

>>33076668
This.

>>33091761
A 4 mil channel which has only existed for two years. Gura has not existed long enough to be a multimillionaire. There's a good chance she isn't even a millionaire.
>but investing
Market has been in a slump for close to 40% of her existence. Her investment activity during peak earnings would be focused on preserving what she has, not netting more. Her making a significant sum would require her dumping an inadvisable portion of her total net worth into a handful of performing assets. Not everybody is crazy enough to bet their savings account on BBBY and shit of that ilk.

i wonder if she's still dealing with her chub or if she got back in shape

>>33119428
>gets a couple hundred thousand a year
Anon...Have you seen Cover's financial statement? Cover's getting close to 100M USD and using that to pay off their talents, staff, fund their shitty game projects and still having 10M left. How do you think they make their money? SCs, memberships, merch, ad revenue and sponsorships. It's well known that by default Cover takes 50% of SC after YT's 30% (so talents get ~3.5$ out of 10$ SCs) and some like Pekora have even better 60/40 splits. Membership split is probably the same, ad revenue split is unknown but what's known is that multiple talents have repeatedly said supporting them through merch is the best way because they get the most out of it. Now, consider this: Cover corp has a bunch of lowtier members like StarsJP and HoloID and bottom feeders from HoloJP and they most definitely do not contribute the most of that 100M revenue, but top talents do.
Just let me remind you that one (1) of multiple Pekora's merch sales numbers were leaked due to their shitty website and she already had orders placed worth 1M USD and it wasn't even the end of preordering period. Are you aware that Gura broke holo's record for merch sales or that her nendoroid (sold on a different website) was sold out asap and had to be put on preorder only? Don't even get me started on sponsored content...Marine has multiple MVs and according to her each one of them costs hundreds of thousands of dollars (on average). Do you think she'd waste that money on something that will never pay off considering she's not pursuing an active singing career if she was earning anything lower than 1M a year? All top holomem (peko, marine, aqua, gura, miko and few others) are earning multiple millions a year. You know who makes 200k a year? Streamers who have 1-3k CCV.

She actually forgot to feed chubi for a week and the cat died.

>>33071876
>Why is she so mentally checked out these days?
I know this is just another shitposting thread, but on the off chance on this being a actual question: No one on this board actually knows since she reveals absolutely nothing about her life outside Hololive. Even during the recent Holocure stream, she merely mentioned she had shit going on IRL that was mentally draining and left it at that. But since this board is filled with non-stream watching shitposters it's easy for /vt/ dramasisters to just spam that she's doing nothing and is a lazy fuck. They will also likely reply to this post with a
>do u rly belib

>>33120710
>Cover's Revenue is 100M USD
I can't even...you're completely delusional. Maybe 100M YEN! Holy fucking shit dude. Even cursory search puts them in $10-$20 million dollars of annual revenue and that's me being charitable.

>>33121008
Didn't they recently publish their financial statements? It was definitely over 10 billion yen.

I unironically want her to graduate

>>33121685
They are not public. As far as I know there is no consistent publishing of financial data, and nothing I can dig up supports anywhere near 10 billion yen.

>>33120710
100m usd are you fucking retarded...you are literally a drooling nigger...they are nowhere fucking near a 100m dollar company not even fucking close...stfu and never speak about finances again holy shit the amount of braincells lost from reading ur dogshit post. you are 100% the dumbfuck who thinks holomems are worth 8 figures too.

>>33120710
this third world ape thinks streamers with 1-3k ccv make 200k usd a year, get a rope and end it all you absolute retard. I interned at a youtube network a decade ago when ad money was stupid high you have no fucking clue what you are talking about and 100% look at social blade estimates and take them as fact. you are a fucking idiot

>>33122587
Ironically not even socialblade would tell you that much. He is a complete retard.

>>33122806
yea out of all of the shitposting on this board when indogs or schizos try to talk about cover finances and how much the girls make is by far the most entertaining shit.