/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_JdJZlhRzeQ

>>32737380
she can't afford the namedrop fee

retarded bait aside it's kindsa sad how they have to walk on eggshells about even mentioning the other company because you guys will make drama out of anything

>>32738649
I think that mindset is slowly changing, thankfully.

No1 cares. Stop collab begging. HoloEN is declining and NijiEN wouldn't gain anything from collabing with them at this point. They can collab with everyone else in industry. Holosharts can keep rotting inside their prison castle.

>>32738649
It's even weirder since it's HoloID

>>32738820
>Stop collab begging
Nijiniggers can't even comprehend one single simple sentence

>https://twitter.com/Selen_Tatsuki/status/1566784993602453507
>isnotreal
Imagine my surprise.

>>32739162
>Nijiniggers
Holofagoon exposes himself again. Yes you are a holobrony begging for collabs. No other Niji fan cares about them at this point. Vshojo is unironically more relevant than holoEN right now and a big collab with them is coming.

>>32738820
Nijifags confirmed to be mentally stunted

>>32739035
Selen announced a collab with Ollie and then had to cancel it. NijiEN can't collab with Holo, period

Thank god
It's already hard to stand the male collabs, just imagining they collabing with Kiara makes me want to drop this shit

>>32737380
>Why is Selen discouraged to mention a name of a holoID vtuber?
Because some retards will attack her for even looking in the direction of any Hololive member because holofags are mentally ill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igqri-T8ugQ

>>32737413
Paul Li dont look

>>32737413
based

>>32737380
Prelude : Most holofans assumed that the collab ban was from HoloEN side for a long time, because Myth was quite isolationist during their first year.
But once Myth started doing vshojo, indie and 3DPD collabs(TT), people slowly started to notice that they were avoiding NijiEN, despite a lot of the talents (Pomu and Kiara especially) being on good terms.

1. Ollie collabs with Gundou from NijiJP on 28th July 2021 (https://youtu.be/Ghzt6N1WB14).). This was around 2 months after NijiEN debuted.
2. One day before this collab, Pomu and Kiara have their first of many on-stream (chat only) interactions (https://youtu.be/ZRb4HsiQXc8?t=6497).).
3. 3 months later - on October 25, 2021 - Kiara reports that her collab request for Pomu has been rejected (https://youtu.be/eMQF7VPADI8).).
She did not specify who did the rejecting. Considering that she had been quite candid about shitting on HoloEN management at the time, but avoided blaming any party in this instance, it indicated that the block may not have been from HoloEN management. But since there was no confirmation and Myth had precedence in isolationism, most casual fans simply assumed that the block was from HoloEN.
4. On Nov 23, Selen reveals on stream that she finally was allowed to collab with "the zombie" soon, which most people naturally assumed to be Ollie (https://youtu.be/K9Z6N3p-5XU?t=20813, https://youtu.be/qH_lYfNNw78).).
5. 3 days later, on Nov 26, Selen announces that the collab was cancelled (https://youtu.be/tfIGSTTuauI?t=26323).). Summary : "In the end, it had to be cancelled. Both of us were looking forward to it. I can't say too much about it, we both tried their best to make it happen. But the decision was out of both me and my collab partner's hands."
> In both of these instances, Selen did not namedrop Ollie even once.
6. The very next day (Nov 27), Overidea + Bilibili announce a VTuber singing festival that includes Lazulight as guests (https://old.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/r3koxh/half_of_2434_international_will_be_attending_sing/, https://twitter.com/OverideaHQ/status/1464532414512828421).).
> Speculation is that Selen's manager got permission from Cover's side for the collab and so Selen thought it was fine to announce it on stream (since once Cover's side was clear, obviously she assumed NijiEN would be fine with it). But the Lazulight Bilibili announcement may have caused NijiEN higher ups to veto it so that Lazulight could still attend the event.
7. Event itself happens 1 day later (Nov 28), streamed on both Youtube and Bilibili. Lazulight timestamp : https://youtu.be/Md2HAlsr3_Y?t=12947.. Side note : 3 chuubas (including Hana) from NijiID also participated in this.
8. December-January : Luxiem debuts and gains a humongous audience from China, inclining the entire branch and becoming the most successful NijiEN wave to date.
> Pomu - Kiara interactions - both on-stream(YT chat) and off-stream(twitter) - are still happening in the middle of all this.
9. March 5, 2022 : NijiEN discord leak. Irreparable damage to NijiEN perception in the eyes of hololive fans - specifically Fulgur. Damage is far more to NijiEN fans' reputations thanks to their reaction, but the livers' behavior was also frowned upon since they were outwardly friendly towards Holo. Pomu didn't have any major involvement, so her reputation is still relatively clear.
10. May 1, 2022 : Luxiem officially get Bilibili channels (https://twitter.com/nijisanji_world/status/1520712132718964736).).
11. July 13, 2022 : Pomu Birthday stream, when starting to read pre-recorded messages, reveals that there was "one more" but asks her fans to pretend that she read it on stream. Highly likely that this was Kiara's birthday message, but Pomu explicitly avoids confirming it despite freely being able to namedrop Kiara in prior streams (https://youtu.be/zkAecWb_yTs?t=10401).).
12. July 21, 2022 : Kiara SC reading stream, SC references Pomu collab. Kiara reveals that she had been hopeful for a while, but looking at "recent developments", it felt like it was never gonna happen (https://youtu.be/qEPw2vxjTaw?t=15873).).
13. Aug 06, 2022 : Pomu sends the contents of her bag for Kiara's bag reveal stream (https://youtu.be/wtRj5RGlMHA?t=6371).). Indicating that Hololive management has no problem with Kiara involving Pomu in her streams.
14. Pic related is the latest clue we have, where the post discussing the aforementioned incident was deleted from the Nijisanji subreddit with no explanation, but was not deleted from the Hololive subreddit, which explicitly has a Rule against "advertising VTubers outside of Hololive". Even the Hololive mods commented on that post, telling people to chill, but did not lock the thread, delete the post or otherwise prevent discussion.
15. Sep 08, 2022 : when Selen was talking about Zeta, she accidentally slips out that they are not allowed to even talk about holos; and then she quickly tries to retcon it as they are just "discouraged" to do so

Good, it keeps the hololeeches away from superior NijiEN

>>32738649
>because you guys will make drama out of anything
t. Paul Li

>>32740163
Amen to that.

>>32738820
But Uto just collabed with a NijiEN male.

>>32737380
Baitnigger, she literally said there's no rules against it, it's just the way YOU niggers act she was calling out.

>>32739384
*NijiEN is banned by Paul Li to collab with Holo from any branch

>>32740654
Reading comprehension reps please.

Feels good to be a JP Chad sometimes. PekoHonma Collab when?

>>32740111
>>32740656
If it was because of China NijiEN would've stopped collabing with Vshojo since Kson is there, yet they still continue to do so. Hololeeches have NEVER collabed with any other EN group besides Vshojo, and it was only with their top two members on isolated occasions, they didn't keep collabing with them frequently unlike NijiEN.

>>32740795
have there been any NijiEN-Vshojo collabs after the news about KSon joining got out?

>>32740795
dont forget to link their niji-kson collab on your next post
since this is not about china they should be ok with it

>>32740938
Why..would they constantly collab with vshojo? No one wants to. They just interject themselves into large collabs, Niji (in general) hasn't had a large scale collab since they added Iluna, meaning they have more than enough to support in-branch large collabs.

>>32740938
Yes, in fact a huge RUST collab with them is coming. The two sole Vshojo collabs that HoloEN did were leeching oriented. They never did them again.

>>32741093
>is coming

>>32741050
>>32741093

>NijiEN collab
>everyone's friends, having a good time with shenanigans and banter
>HoloEN collab
>awkward workplace tier atmosphere
Keep that holo trash away. ID too because zombie is an obnoxious cunt.

>>32740938
Yes? One of the guys was on Ironmouse's talkshow a couple days after the announcement. Vox was on Melody's show last month. And a handful of them are doing an among us collab in a few days with some Indies and Zen and Froot

>>32738649
>All out war
Blame Noor, not us.

>>32740111
Why do you continue to omit Pomu's room review stream where she showed off rooms with tons of official Hololive merch (especially takodachi plushies), pointed them out specifically ("Why is that Ame daki not in your bed?"), and brought up Kiara and Ina by name, and even showed off someone's Ayame shrine? It was just days after the bag review stream, there was nothing censored, and the VOD is still up in its entirety.

>>32742505
If even Vox with his ginormous Chinese fanbase can afford to keep collabing with them then it absolutely has nothing to do with China. Reminder that holoEN has NEVER collabed with anyone besides Vshojo in just two isolated occasions while NijiEN has already collabed with pretty much everyone in the industry. I don't give a fuck about who's blocking the collabs or not, but it's clearly holoEN who's isolating themselves from the rest of the industry, not NijiEN.

>>32738649
They really don't. Pomu made a room review stream where she talked about Kiara, Ame, Ina, Ayame, and even made a "it is I, Pomu Rainpuff from Hololive EN" joke. No one on the catalog bitched about it, because no one on the catalog watches streams

>>32740938
>Fulgur x ironmouse 8/19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TFmchDsdDM
>Kyo, enna, nina, ike x ironmouse literally 1hour later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpTHQ3iHfGA

>>32743064
>They really don't.
NTA but yes they do. Selen is the only one to admit that it's not a company rule but because of how the community (you) would behave.
>Pomu made a room review stream where she talked about Kiara, Ame, Ina, Ayame
She pointed it out because of (you) idiot ass niggers dumping rooms full of hololive on her. Of course she's not going to ignore it. She ignored (you) idiots trying to bait her into talking about PL shit too with full Mint, Nova and Lyrica setups.
>No one on the catalog bitched about it
Nigga you can do your reps and see the usual dramabaiters were in full force.

>>32744573
>(you) (you) (you)
I watched the stream and enjoyed it and went about my day. (You) need to take your fucking medication

>>32744573
>Of course she's not going to ignore it.
But she could have. Should have picked rooms without Hololive merch (there were plenty), but she didn't.

>>32745461 (me)
*Should -> Could

>>32740111
Based propaganda crusher, keep up the good fight

>>32745461
She was scrolling down the tag in TD, she only scanned for stuff that would get her clapped by susan.

All nijisanji has to do to get collab perms back is make Fulgur apologize to Mori.

>>32738820
>Selen mentioning Hololive is somehow being twisted as Hololive fans collab begging
>Main point of contention is numberfag reasons
>Deluded numberfag reasons
>Ignores all of the evidence that Niji EN is in the prison castle or the same prison castle
Nijisanji really rots the brain

>Holo blocks Nijimales
>NijiEN blocks Holo
That's fair. No one wants them to interact anyway, some male NijiJPs(Kenmochi, Gilzaren) can't stop licking YAGOO's boots but Hololive will never care about their irrelevant asses.

>>32746693
And yet, she still showed off the huge Ayame collection in full screen in its entirety, instead of just scrolling past it like she could have.

>>32737413
Selen a real one

>>32746999
Holofagoons like you are the only ones who care about hololive or hololive collabs. You're ostracized in the NijiEN general for a reason.

>>32748285
..Why would that get her clapped vs tits figures and wallposters?

>>32748432
>you are ostracized from the homosexual fanfiction writing group
Fine with me

>>32737380
Kiara mentioning Nijis is nothing new, she just mentioned Enna, Millie, and Nijisanji the other day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz5DUFjU6Xg&t=1830s
There's never been any proof the block has been on the Holo side, it was just people saying "well it's probably not Niji so it has to be Holo".

>>32742714
>Blame Noor, not us.
Risotto @ your holo, catalog goes wild
The way Selen said pretty much makes it clear this ended up being an unspoken rule in nijiEN to no say holo names
everytime they interact with hololive on twitter, they are called leeches, quote retweeted by people that don't want to show themselves and so on
and everytime they say their name on stream all fence hoppers start asking for collabs making shit even more awkward

>>32749643
>Risotto @ your holo, catalog goes wild
/vt/ is still of dramashitters who have no real life influence, it's fucking infuriating that some livers take the garbage here seriously. Fulgur stop reading /vt/ and go save Millie please, she's dying of thirst.

only one of these companies has to walk on eggshells when it comes to males and china and they're the ones blocking the collab

>>32748654
Because, if showing/discussing Holo on a NijiEN stream was such a huge issue, she wouldn't have done it, or would have cut it from the VOD (she didn't)

>>32738820
No one cares Nijifag
Selen wanted to collab with Ollie since the beginning and now she is watching other Holos... and IF some day the blockade stops, she will be one of the first NijiEN girls doing a collab with a Holo

>>32737380
Sorry, no holoEN collabs allowed.

BUT YOU CAN COLLAB WITH VSHOJO!

They should have been blocked when kson went to vshitshow. They ESPECIALLY should have been blocked after the Silvervale article.