/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>baiting with nyanners of all people

>>32739886
Who’s getting “fucked” in the video dummy?

>>32739840
the concept of joke is completely lost here.
Imagine being so desesperated to make a bait thread.

>>32740672
>joke
>chad is literally re-enacting sounds of him fucking your Oshi

You don’t give her money do you?

disgusting whore

>>32739840
>vshoujo yabs
Vshoujo already exhausted the finite amount of fucks people could give. That's why you don't take those fucks for granted, or burn through 'em too fast.

>>32740774
anon i'm not the mentally ill.
I refuse to believe 90% of this board is this mentally ill and we are just joking around with each other streamer because the alternative is really really pathetic.

>>32739840
I feel bad for Mel, she doesn't deserve to be around these whores

>>32739840
The Niji 2.0 to VShojo 2.0 slippery slope is real

imagine defending this shit

>>32739840
>vshoujo yabs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZloH0XLHc

>>32741922
https://youtu.be/JmEyUOLDGFA

>>32741922
>if we ignore criticism because twitch corporate supports us , its not real!

When nyan gets dumped after aethel finds a badder bitch at a convention , whats the stream content going to be like when nyan come crawling back to her chatters who had to put up with them flirting every stream

>>32739840
Putting Your shitty bait aside this is actually fucking devastating

>>32740672
Explain what the joke is. He is literally just describing how he would fuck Nyanners.

>>32742127
twitch corporate literally invested in vtubers , bough janny positions , and tried to dominate the industry

JUST SO THEY COULD CONDITION KEKOLDRY IN THIS COMMMUNITY

beyond heinous

>>32742101
https://youtu.be/LTyAa7_GxwI

>>32742101
>twitch corporate
HUH?

>>32742276
>IN THIS COMMMUNITY
I watched streamers before vtubers
You watched anime before vtubers
We are not the same

>>32742495
vshoujo is a twitch product and they have jannies on staff /here/

>>32742598
this new rrat is fire anon. Keep going

>>32742542
>s-she is a streamer
no. She did flesh streaming and failed miserably and then jumped on board to this

>>32742669
>s-she is a streamer
>no. She did flesh streaming

>>32742598
So you would say the moderation is pro-vshojo and anti-hololive?

>>32742764
>be flesh streamer
>stop doing that
>re-appear as a vtuber

do you think vtubing and streaming is the same thing?

Dw anons yhis will be holoen very shortly

>>32742822
pretty obvious they are pro shoujo

remember when veibei/soda racism chat leaked? and then every thread disappeared in seconds?

>>32741568
>I refuse to believe 90% of this board is this mentally ill
Haha...I envy your optimism. 90% of this board truly is that mentally ill and would be better off either being in a mental asylum with internet access cut off so they can scream "cuck! cuck!" all they want, or an hero'ing themselves with the fucking rope

>>32739840
>Baiting Ame fans wasn't really doing it anymore, decides to console war bait Vshojo vitriol towards Ame with this shit.
Mental illness.

>>32742839
Yes.

>>32742669
Nyanners was doing animeme vocaroos way before vtubing was a thought in the world. Then PNGtubing after that. Shit, Mouse predates Hololive.
Do your reps chumpedo.

>>32742839
same thing only mentally ill thinks it's any different.
Play games, talk shit and gets money.

You guys know ame is friends with a vshojo member right?

>>32742910
>pretty obvious they are pro shoujo
lol
>remember when veibei/soda racism chat leaked?
So rule 1 shit that would apply to anyone

I am thoroughly convinced that the only people who actually watch and give money to vwhorejo are people who have been desensitized and brainwashed by these women that they think this is not only okay, but they deserve to be paid for the 'privilege' of NTRing you.

>>32739840
I would much rather e-whores just out themselves as e-whores from the start as she has.

That way you don't set yourself up for disappointment.

>>32742989
>she was doing vocaroos
who cares?

how does that change the fact she baited a bunch of single men into financially supporting her and then openly showing off her chad BF streamer and letting him talk about fucking her on stream?

>>32743072
see >>32742507

>>32743129
Because I don't pretend some girl on the internet pretending to be a pink cat is my girlfriend. And if you don't have the mental capacity to differentiate between an entertainer (who to some degree relies on crowdsourcing for her finances) and a romantic interest, let me introduce to some grippy socks.

>>32743402
>because im a mature , completely normal guy who watches a pink cat anime picture play power wash simulator not a loser virgin like you who watches a anime fox play powerwash simulator

holy shit the COPE

Are you for real? you actually DO give vshitshow girls money that they can spend on lubricant for their BF's cock

Vshojo really make fags seethe its amazing

Vshojo lives rent free

>>32743567
anybody would be mad about twitch corporate spreading spiritual cuckoldry to young men

>>32743648
No they charge money

Have her numbers changed at all since the bf announcement? All the comments to the video are similar to >>32742507 so it seems like the audience is into it

>>32743562
imagine being this sad.
Everything he thinks about is the sexual life of others while ignores his.

If you gachikoi'd Nyanners you deserve anything that happens.

>>32743862
looks like she is reclining

even with strategic "im only streaming 1 hour this month" tricks

>>32744102
nobody from here did that but if you are some normie on twitch , yes actually. many of them are getting cucked hard

>>32744174
Stop using the graphic of jun.
She doesnt even streamed in jun/jul at all.

>>32744265
what part of "cuck collapse" dont you understand?

men dont want to watch cute girls talk about their boyfriend

they dont want to see them collab with their boyfriend

>>32744102
You guys can have this for baiting purposes if you want

>>32744623
thats fucking hilarious

>>32744517
look another clipfaggot or nyangosling in the wilds. KEK

>>32745000
vshitshow cant sustain itself when viewers are getting bombarded with cuckoldry and the fact that their oshis are literally not even working anymore

>>32745172
>their oshis are literally not even working anymore
This is true, we need to starve these bitches into streaming but whales are fucking retarded

>>32744623
How many times will retards here fall for the "OMG NOTHING IS HAPPENING BECAUSE HE'S GAY" meme?

>>32742669
>>32742839
She's done maybe 6 cam streams in her life out of absolutely hundreds of streams. Most of hololivve have done more cam streams than her.

>>32742822
Remember when Kson debut for Vshojo and the mods went full Kson International Defense Force on the board and started wiping out entire pages of threads. They also took that time to wipe out a lot of other generals because they hoped no one would notice them vanish in the general purge
They even now actively will delete posts that are anti-Kson/Mikecat

>>32745172
>>32745295
Vei, Nyanners and Hime didn't stream yesterday. The other 7 did and Nyanners already did 13 hours over mon/tues. There's always streams.

>>32745172
Rent free holy shit
Lmao

>>32745660
Like when you go trolling in their specific generals. Weird that those would get deleted...

>>32745720
>>32745773
>THEY STREAM REEEEEEE

no they dont. Vei hates her chat and wants a visa to the US so she can get a real job and nyanners is too busy cockworshiping a guy that is 3x out of her league so he doesnt leave

>>32742157
This is a reddit normie meme about how some guy fucks his gf to this song
This got popular enough to spread to twitter and even Ironmouse/Haruka talked about it
You realize he literally showed the reddit thread in the video right?

I get hating reddit but at least pay attention to the video you supposedly watched

>>32745790
No these were outside their generals.

>>32745936
I didn't watch it, I just played it in the background like I do all vtubers.

>>32745916
I just shared the facts my retarded schizo friend
Nyanners has streamed 13 hours so far this week. 7 of 10 vshojos streamed yesterday. I'm sorry that dude chose Nyanners over you. You do seem to think very highly of him. Hopefully if things don't work out with the cat he lets you suck his dick.

>>32745936
I wonder if the artist just made the story up to shill his song
I mean it's obviously fake but it's also mass advertising

>>32745916
At least look into what you’re talking about
Nyan has streamed 3 times this week around 7hours each

Just google reddit sex playlist, it's a shit tier meme covered by news sites
But good bait thread because no one here would bother trying to look for context

>>32746098
so maybe you should not speak of something you don't know... right? AHhhh who cares this is /vt all post are created from nothing.

>>32746196
Yeah next time I won't listen to a male vtuber at all because they're all just gross sexpests trying to push their NTR fetish onto everyone while saying it's a "joke".

>>32746103
>>32746122
is 13 hours a lot?

your cope is fucking out of control and embarrassing

they BARELY stream. You have no concept of what actual streamers do

>>32746365
holyfuckingretardation. OMG, who the fuck hurt you this much anon?

>>32746414
using shylily as example is kinda retard. She streams everyday and still does nothing on her stream.

>>32739840
Kronii still did the mega yab, not Ame

remember her cats?

>>32746551
Remember her ferret and all her other silly little pets she used to have because it was quirky? I wonder what happened to them after she became a vtuber.

>>32746521
>g-guys
>she streamed 13 hours this week
>o-of course her png collab with her boyfriend counts as her stream time
>i like powerwash simulator

Shylily has actual work ethic and nyan/vei dont

only one who actually works in that shitty corpo is ironmouse and its because she literally cannot do anything else

>>32746660
zen erasure. zen is a workaholic too.

>>32746660
Pinkcst did two 7 hour streams, san japan qna, and a collab with indies this week? And has a stream on friday

>>32746660
like other anon said. Zen destroys it.
I love how people still talks about BF streams go watch gura bro... ohhhh... i'm sorry. :(

>>32746732
zen is a man using TTS

I love watching my favorite vtuber couple, wonder how much they have sex behind the scenes.

>>32746876
I wish they would have sex on stream.

>>32746111
If this is true it's actually genius and I will unironically shill this conspiracy from now on.

>>32746870
still it's streams quite a lot.

>>32746851
zen is a dude pretending to be a girl on the internet

for all the people who bash gura viewers as pedophile baby kink people.

who listens to a monotone tranny robot make deez nuts jokes all day?

>>32746930
99% of Reddit stories are completely made up. You'll find more real stories here than on Reddit because there isn't as much of an incentive to lie here.

>>32746977
omg zen is a dude... OMG!
Dude who cares?

>>32747070
>it doesnt matter that im being scammed

loooooooool

What Ame did now? Did she started an only fans with my boy Magni?

>>32747547
How are they being scammed?

>>32745916
Nyanners is more attractive now than when young. She went to Korea where they surgically implanted her with a new and improved chin.

>>32747672
this guys are so crazy they think streamers are their GF.

>>32747672
>how are people getting scammed
lol i cant believe this

>>32744623
Layna was literally robbed.

>>32748033
Tell me nigger

>>32742507
I see VShojo has stepped it up in the cuck game to break away from Niji-tier cuckoldry now that even Hololive is approaching Nijisanji territory. Brilliant strategy.

>>32739840

>>32748033
explain to us anon. How can someone who streams almost everyday for like 8 hours and is entertaining us are scamming.
Please post the graph.

>>32748267
>>32748180
you guys are completely delusional lol

how is a dude pretending to be a girl vtuber who solicits coomer donations not a scam?

>>32748495
There is a virtual avatar and a TTS voice
If you see there being any more than that promised that's both on you and you not understanding vtubers

>>32748495
Don't donate then lol

>>32748663
>3d virtual avatar with huge tits

man.... you guys are hopeless

>>32748758
>3d virtual avatar who isn't fat
WTF Hinata-chan is fat irl!? She betrayed us!

>>32743862
https://twitchtracker.com/nyanners
Here you go, she started streaming with him in February (mostly on other channels though) and did the official relationship announcement on May 10th. You can draw your own conclusions, don't trust anyone else, they all have their own agendas to push. You have to crunch the numbers yourself.

>>32748495
Hentai is usually drawn by male hands. Most pre-recorded dances are made by males also. Most of the behind the scenes work for chubas is made by males, and even worse than that, trannies. It's impossible to escape the gay.

>>32748912
all of these false equivalencies

what part of "you are donating to a vtroon" dont you understand?

>>32748848
>average ccv fell from 11339 to 5704
surprising, i thought vshojo would be free from gachikois and unicorns

>>32748848
You can see the decline in hours streamed then. The problem clearly is that she is training to become a housewife and is probably pregnant now.

>>32749015
Well it is now

These are the people close with hololive talents…

>>32748967
Is this one? >>32748846

>>32739840
>watching a stream is the same as being in a committed romantic relationship
You are a viewer. You watch what happens on the stream. You chat and sometimes they respond to what you said. That is literally all this and ever has been. If you feel cucked it’s because you set that expectation on your own.

>>32749015
she also took a month break for no reason after streaming very little to begin with so you can't really draw clean conclusions.

>>32749015
>be top tier vtuber model
>friendly fun content with a great sense of humor
>AAA tier voice that only one of her corpomates can match (vei)
>RELATIONSHIP DUMPS ALL OVER IT , EVERY DAY , HALF HER STREAM TIME IS ON HER BF's CHANNEL

nobody will ever know the secret to nyanners failure

>>32748967
Half of your money is going towards Twitch, YouTube, and even Brandon himself via taxes.

>>32749121
>vtubing is seperate from parasocial relationships because..... BECAUSE IT JUST IS

vtubing is literally parasocial for both sides. if anybody , from the west especially , says otherwise

they are trying to change reality to their benefit.

If you dont want to be a social worker , dont apply for a job as a social worker

>>32749163
>y-you pay taxes

is this it? is this your cope? You are giving money to a lying troon is okay because i pay taxes?

>>32749315
>If you watch a male streamer you want to fuck him

>>32748495
imagine being this pathetic.
Get a real woman and watch streamers in your free time.
Jesus christ you are all pathetic.

>>32749015
Lots of people don’t commit to vtubers enough to be gachikoi or unicorns, but still find males annoying. I really don’t give a fuck when two fleshtubers are in a relationship, but…Ludwig and QTCinderella don’t rely on anime kayfabe to get their audience.

>>32749408
why would anybody watch a male streamer?

>>32749422
why would you watch streamers if you had a GF? are you retarded?

>>32749442
Yeah can you just go back to /jp/ or /a/ or whatever

>>32749163
You could just say you don't know shit about taxes because you're underage, you don't have to pretend to be an adult.

>>32749408
Riddle me this anon, why are the majority of Nijimale fans female and the majority of Nijigirl fans male, with very few exceptions?

>>32749382
You, the company, and the streamer are all paying taxes separately. The government is literally cucking everyone at the same time.

>>32749509
Dunno I don't watch them

>>32749494
because you are not glued on your GF 24/7 besides she was the one who made watch me nyanners kek.

>>32749408
Yes.

>>32749613
>she
no
its a guy

Bros let vshojo live rent free

>>32749505
Sis most people around the world pay quite a bit of taxes. Not everyone lives in mutt land where they can get negative taxes if they are rich.

>>32746414
13 hours this week retard. 2 streams and a day off. Shylily's done 10 and a half hours this week. What's wrong with your brain?

>>32749688
anon, why you keep projecting your insecurities on others?
Just accept your homossexuality, it's 2022.

>>32742495
You do realise the CEO of vshoujo is one of the founders of twitch right

>>32739840
>all those comments begging for nyanners to react to this because it would be like so HECKIN' EPIC! xD
My question is what's the appeal of this? The joke is literally "hahahaha he played a song that means they have sex!" but how is that funny?
I also don't understand why entire relationships are being simped for now, instead of just the girl or guy individually. It's not even a matter of cucks vs unicorns anymore; you guys are basically that annoying girl in high school who would constantly 3rd wheel a couple while making sure everyone in the classroom knows how amazing they are together, only you're grown ass men and you do it while giggling at them through a computer screen.

>>32749787
why are you defending nyan and veis shit work ethic?

>>32749642
Those are bros not fuckboys

>>32749900
Just sharing facts.Sorry if facts make you mad.

>>32749892
Shipping and gossip are universal, even more so if there is a huge number of fem*le fans involved.

>>32749892
You don't know the meme behind that song?
Hmm
Ok then

>>32749928
Yeah right.

>>32749963
>work for 19 days out of 30
>only 3 hour average compared to 6 hour average for a streamer who actually works

HOLY FUCKING SHIT RETARD

https://youtu.be/KDjfLpbfR4o

>>32750069
Shut up dung eater

>>32750156
That's like 4-5 days a week, pretty impressive

>>32750156
You said "is 13 hours a lot?"
I simply explained that was just for this week and that this week she's streamed more than your boring ass money hungry german.
Hope that clears things up for you.

>>32750017
>Shipping and gossip are universal
It's not, especially when it comes to real people unless you're underage.
>>32750026
You think reddit jokes are funny?
Hmm
Ok then

>>32750271
>>32750310
its HALF of what normal streamers do you fucking RETARD

you support a company that doesnt even have its talent work 30 hours a week lmfao

>>32750556
>4-5 days a week is half of what normal streamers do
Damn...

>>32750556
It's thursday you hopeless braindead fucktard. Halfway through the week.

>>32750645
>70 hours a month is .... its just GOOD okay

hahhahahahahahahha

>>32750699
You should see Gura's numbers, she does like 20 hours a month. Nyanners seems like a hard worker.

>>32750668
nyan wont break 24 hours this week screencap it

>>32750556
>2 streamers=everyone
God you're fucking dumb

>>32750748
did you just compare gura , who does live concerts , to a pink cat who spends most of her day shitting cum out of her pussy?

>>32750357
I never said it was funny that's just the context

>>32750357
Imagine being so far away from grass that you think normal women don't gossip all the time.

>>32750781
>grrr nyan works hard!
no she literally doesnt , sub 1k streamers take red hot dumps all over her its not even funny

her problem is that she is constantly backseating her fucking bf in his streams. She could double her productivity without that distraction

you know it. I know it. Everyone knows it

she is unprofessional

>>32750842
>who does pre-recorded* concerts with paid dancers*

>>32750842
>shitting cum
Now there's a guy that's been fucked in the ass a lot

>>32750932
>being a supportive gf is... le bad!

>>32750956
Oh so the same thing that nyanners whore does?

>make VShojo thread
>cucks come out in full force to defend their whores
This is beyond pathetic. EN Vtubing never had a chance. You people are beyond useless scum that should have been gatekept from the hobby, along with the worthless, talentless, shameless cunts and trannies that you simp for.

>>32750932
Are you one of those schizos that was in love with her or something?
Most of the guys that are this obsessed are the retards that think they got cucked. If you switched to shylily because of nyan getting a bf I got some really bad news for you...

God, just reading all these people defending vshojo just proves >>32743072 right
I'm outta this thread, stay happy donating condom money at "enjoying" content about some of them fucking bfs or random men?

>>32751072
>THE HOBBY
https://youtu.be/ztVMib1T4T4

>>32751072
ok well that didn't happen

>>32751072
I was neutral on it until i saw how they behaved in this thread

they are defending vei and nyans stream hours lmfao. completely insane

>>32751072
Half of them have been doing this since before you knew what vtubing was and nobody can be gatekept. You're as powerless and pathetic as ever.

>>32751195
you mean back when she said nigger regularly and talked about how jews did 9/11?

>>32751189
Nobody said shit supporting Vei you redditard

>>32751111
It's the Ogey mega guy, apparently he switched over to Nyanners from holos at some point and immediately got cucked. Latest I've heard he's in therapy over it and got told to avoid 4chan, but that's not going too well.

>>32739840
I thought "the song" was going to be pomf

>>32742542
>I watched streamers before vtubers
You watched anime before vtubers
Normalfags being proud about this on /vt/
Holy mother of retardation. This "hobby" truly is doomed.

>>32751290
please be real

>>32751285
wrong scroll up

also nyan is almost as bad as her. Both of them cant stream to save their lives

>>32751362
Cope faggot the site is more than /a/ and /jp/

>>32751048
Nyanners is an amateur singer and comedian. Gura wastes her talent by not streaming and not doing new songs nor parody covers.

>>32751416
Well it's him or someone who posts exactly like him and also got cucked. Like here:

https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/23791142/#23810180
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/30872079/#30903812
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/30872079/#30905472

Apparently he also got mad enough at the VShojo thread that he threatened to doxx the people who used his cytube room to watch some concert.

>>32751531
comedians dont delete their old material tho

>>32751280
Not that guys, but yes.

>>32751593
teamates this is you in 6 months

>>32751593
wtf is this schizo shit? somebody trolls your oshi and you think its some guy on another website?

>>32751611
Excepting they do.

>>32751280
>>32751613
More like 5 years ago which would've been about 5 years after the vocaroos.

>>32751593
oh man... i remember him. Guy had to go on therapy for his "break up" with nyanners.

>>32751707
really who

>>32751687
>another website
Retardchama...

>>32749015
No streamer is free from fans like this. If they were, they'd have basically no fans at all. Streamers can't compete with pre-planned and edited content in entertainment value, all they have is the parasocial aspect of listening to someone talk dumb shit for hours and maybe you might post something in chat that they read. Streamers are either friend simulators for lonely people, or if you're watching a woman as a man, girlfriend simulators. Especially if you get involved enough to start paying money for the experience. Some people are still in denial about this, but this is by and large a hobby for lonely people who just want to hear someone talk to them after they get home from work.

>>32752432
this isnt that hard to understand still dont know why people dont get it

>>32751761
Comedians constantly re-write their material and change their jokes according to their audience.

>>32752545
are you incapable of reading? i said delete

>>32752698
Comedy is an oral tradition sis.

>>32752521
Everyone gets it, some people will pose as normal people to get good boy points for not being incels though. Then there's the handful of people in happy relationships who somehow still have time to watch streams which is always a surprise to both the streamer and the rest of the audience every time. I've seen a streamer go flabbergasted that someone has a girlfriend and would still watch her like at least 5 times. Nyanners is included in this, by the way. I think it was during her shrine review stream, in January I would like to say.

>>32752737
yes and audio/video records said tradition you fucking retard

>>32752780
I think nyan might graduate first of all the vshoujo people. She will work corpo side

>>32752814
Audio and video recording is a fairly recent invention pleb.

>>32751362
Consuming content is not a Hobby

>>32739840
Genuinely can't relate to anyone that watches this crap

>>32749892
Pretty much my thoughts but to add on: Why the fuck is there a whole clip channel dedicated to this shit

>>32751072
Based as fuck lmao

>>32743562
kek

>>32741922
LOL owned

>>32749139
Inactivity is still a downard trend.

>>32739840
It's Calli that wants Vshojo 2.0

>>32743562
But anon he might be a simp that would defend his queen on mongolian basket weaving forum after paying for Lord Dagestan condums but get it he's not parasocial like you weirdos, he's better than all those possesive incels because he only wants his waifu to be happy!

Twitchcucks are something else

>>32743001
long before she was a Vshojo member or Ame was Ame.

>>32749139
she stopped streaming because her bf was more important than the fans, same with veibae and her twitch e-celeb. Most vshojo members stopped giving a fuck I guess they have enough money as it is.

>>32749442
Because they're normal humans who watch things for entertainment and not because they need to pretend random strangers they don't know(not will ever know) is their friend or romantic partner.

>>32757247
>her bf was more important than the fans
Have you ever been in a relationship? Of course her bf is more important to her than some random strangers she doesn't know, retard.

>>32745936
That reminds me why I really hate vshitshow.

>>32747070
If nobody cares why wouldn't he disclose it for years and years at this point? Just don't lie to people.

>>32757656
i don't know? Maybe he is a woman with a terrible voice or accent?
Who cares? Zen is zen if you see more than this you are retard and to be blamed for it.

>>32758000
Zen is a dude who ran around in VR chat as a nazi

Not a woman

>>32758102
so post proofs of this. rrat proves nothing.
And like i said no one cares only retards fall in love with streamers.

>>32757656
>>32758102
What happened to seperating the roommate from the "chuuba"?

>>32758440
there is proof if you look

>>32759343
yeah.

>>32757345
yeah that's nice and all but I don't give a fuck lol. Her channel is still reclining either way

>>32742598
Aren't twitch jannies just losers who simp these thots for free/sex on convention?

>>32750357
>It's not
Retard. Many studies have shown humans feel happier when playing matchmaker and that goes for shipping too
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140210095402.htm

>>32743862
They're lower but to be fair she also stopped streaming at around the same time.

>>32752432
This. Even male fleshtubers are parasocial.

>>32739840
How is it a yab when Nyanners killed goslings herself?

>>32752780
Big part of this is because in the west being lonely is seen as a moral failure on your part. That's also true in Japan but not to the same degree, they've basically slowly accepted that good people can become lonely due a variety of reasons. In the West? Basically if you can't get laid, it's probably because you hate women, so unless you want to be branded a creepy incel, you keep quiet about it.

>>32755560
f*male audience faps to this

>>32765031
For a board that claims to hate Kiara because she always goes “me, me, me”, you all sure don’t realize how much you sound like that. It’s thinking that it’s everyone else’s fault but yours that makes you an incel.

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>>32766192
>the board is one person
Also thats not what he said you retarded faggot, what he said is there is a greater degree of sympathy for loners in Japan than in the west, no one was blamed in the post