/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>32508424
I've thought this the entire time, "why the fuck would you WANT to copy your inferior competitor."

It's in the name of virtue signaling. I thought Cover cared about making fucking money, not grandstanding to a bunch of neckbeards. If they cannot fucking help but punch down at the very audience they bent over backwards to cultivate, they fucking deserve to fail. Period. Social darwinism at its finest in business form.

>>32508538
>I thought Cover cared about making fucking money
Stopped reading there. If this point is true, they'd fire Coco right off the bat after the Taiwan yab

>>32508778
Chinese money is nothing

>>32508424
>from business standpoint
HoloEN reclining, their market cap now is lower than 1 year ago, their big hitter too lazy to stream, muh tummy hort, its up to the newest talent (ID3, tempiss) which path would they choose

>>32508424
From a business standpoint NijiEN is making more money.

August SC

Group
>Luxiem $181,839
>Council $132,871
>Noctyx $98,926
>Tempus $85,105
>Myth $65,564
>ILUNA $54,856
>Obsydia $38,343
>LazuLight $33,990
>Ethyria $21,205
>Hope $18,889

total
>Nijisanji EN $429,159
>Hololive EN $217,324
>Holostars EN $85,105

>>32508965
>SC
KEK
RORU
RUMAO

>>32509122
What do you think HoloEN wins on? NijiEN have more sponsorships, NijiEN have more merchandise and voicepacks, the big NijiEN boys have over 10k members. NijiEN has the greater VOD views and watchtime so more ad revenue.

https://streamable.com/8szf55

>>32509122
not this guy>>32508965 , but Niji pretty much grow in a positive way, back then if some nijinigger would say that niji EN would beat Holo in term of SC i will laugh at that subhuman

>>32508424
【Nijification of HoloEN】
>EN Leader: Why ask me about Tempus. Grow yourself and be productive.
>Some anons jumped ship the day before Tempus debut
>Tempus debut
>Ame: Singing with friends is good. Meanwhile you go touch grass.
>Kronii: Unfortunately idol culture is a thing :(
>Kronii: Fortunately Tempus underwear is a thing :)
>Kronii: Did I say not interacting with Tempus on Twitter? Cope and Seethe :|
(You are Here)
>EN3 debut
>StarsEN2 debut
>Intense Nijification
>CGDCT market share taken by smaller corpos
>Nijification is completed (without fujo buffs)
>Compete directly with NijiEN’s forte, mixed collab
>Get beaten as expected
>Omega realizes something might be wrong
>Debut new CGDCT gen, doesn’t work coz old fans were thrown under the bus

>>32508424
>HoloEN has bigger fanbase than NijiEN
No idea about EN but Niji grosses more money than Holo.
Cover just wan money

>>32508424
Another thing I want to point out is holo EN have become worse at dealing with criticisms. Voicing opinion against the will of chubba will get you branded with stereotype of anti no matter how reasonable it is.
Customer must have the right to giving complaint at the service provider

From Cover POV they probably just think the girls might take a small hit but look how big Luxiem is we cant miss out on all that money they are even beating the JP branch.

>>32508424
I'm thinking that I might finally go watch that kawaii shit that people keep pushing. the problem is I just know the normalfags will find their way there and infest it too.

>>32508424
>Kobo audience can't be converted
That girl practically lies in wait in her own chat waiting for someone to talk about "no males" and then Kobo just tosses local males in her streams. Now with Tempus she pulls in Regis every chance she gets
He audience has been broken and reformed to deal with her love of the male

>>32509122
It's been a good 2 months since i saw the keep away game holofags play of 'SC-Subs-Live Views', so thanks for the memory

>>32509757
The faster you introduce males if you are going to do it the better it is for everyone to be fair. The people that don't care and will stick around either way aren't affected either way and the people that hate it dont feel like they have been wronged when someone they have been watching for a year+ who allowed them to live in a GFE fantasy land then suddenly starts bringing guys into their stream.

>>32508778
Coco stay at top SCs for months until graduation

>>32509534
To be fair the loudest people are screaming, "DON'T INTERACT WITH MALES" which no matter how you spin it is completely fucking unreasonable, which drowns out reasonable shit like, "please take time to set up and plan collabs"

>>32508965
>>32509208
>>32509498
>>32509572
Luxiem only gets that much money because of Chinese fujos, but Cover has no access to that market. Sacrificing HoloEN for the illusion that HomoStarsEN can compete with Luxiem is the most retarded business decision in history

>>32510084
Well Tempiss made a decent amount of money last month, more than Myth. The slaughter would be even worse if they weren't there.

>>32509389
You could've write it better. Collect the events after Niji introduced male and apply it: the off collab crash, openly flirt on stream, exchanging nudes between male and female (holo are trying to exchange underwear between tempus and ID women btw)

>>32508424
But everyone want a crumb of Luxiem's fujo money, don't kid yourself, it is probably more bigger than anything holoEN put out and nijification holoEN females to be Tempus's accessories is the fastest way

>>32509534
you're not a customer, they owe you nothing. You're literally a volunteer feeding them views and donations. Don't watch if you have problems

>>32508965
Damn that's a brutal mogging. Normies ruin a comfy hobby once again.

>>32510084
>Chinese fujos
Maybe for Vox, but Mysta has his entire home country's female population tossing money at him, and Luca gets every other SEA girl horny for the blonde aussie male fantasy

>>32510190
> could've write it better.
100% but not by me though. I don't know much about Niji

>>32510010
>completely fucking unreasonable
How? I've seen several of them on YT and they tried their best to be polite. As long as they aren't rude, just accept them then give a proper and direct answer.

>>32510084
>because of Chinese fujos
yup, and they openly pander to them too. And it really pays the bills.

> Sacrificing HoloEN
I realize they bring in more money than what their superchats suggest. There's also memberships and merchandise and stuff. But someone's superchats are a pretty good indication of their ability to sell merch, or sponsorship. Seriously, someone who has very low superchats, how much merch do you really think they're able to sell? So Vox might have less viewers than Ina. But, if you were a corporation, would you really trade Vox for Ina? Hell no.

The truth is, sadly, that HoloEN is kind of small compared to the rest of Hololive. Pekora and Miko combined outdo the entire HoloEN branch by themselves.

The nijisanji males bring in an absolute fuckton of donation money. It's worth it to hololive to get access to those kinds of donations, even if they have to sacrifice a little bit of the girl's popularity. The girls aren't really bringing in very much in the scheme of things.

>>32510360
More like Holo tried to market and sell the concept of once-streamer girls becoming digital idols, all the while not providing a digital-idol world, so the girls default to standard streamer bits

>>32510360
>Comparing revenue between the two biggest vtuber corporations
>Hobby
It hasn't been a hobby since Kizuna Ai got big, it's an industry.

>Nijiniggers thinking Luxiem making big bucks
Nigga please. Luxiem has no sponsors, no merch, no membership, shit views. Even someone like Bae is making boat loads of money compared to Luxfaggots

>>32510130
And even then they didn't come close to Luxiem in terms of SCs. Also, Tempiss won't make up for the money that Cover will lose by driving hardcore fans from Hololive

>>32510561
Go to bed Mori

>>32510473
>all the while not providing a digital-idol world

Yes, this is the problem with current year hololive. At least they used to have a veneer of idolry.

>>32510526
True, it's not really a hobby anymore but damn it did used to be a lot comfier even only a year or two ago. Oh well, maybe I'll assemble puzzles or go hiking or something.

>>32510473
JPs do.

>>32510473
even if they had a 'digital-idol' world, you can't stream for thousands of hours and still larp as a fictional character. Kizuna AI worked because she did pre-recorded skits without viewer interaction.

>>32510653
Where's your concert, merch, sponsors, or album, Fungus?

>>32510848
The character is shallow as fuck and gets dropped anyway.

>>32510241
If a chubba said those words, her career would've died on the spot.

>>32510561
So funny to see holocopers use this cope when it was a Niji talking point before

>>32510400
>>32510412
The market for male Vtubers exists, but the way Cover is trying to capture it is dumb. Focusing on collabs with HoloEN will not bring new viewers to HomoStarsEN and will hurt the girls' numbers

>>32510561
>no sponsors
At least every single member of Luxiem had one sponsored stream last month some of them multiple. Streamers themselves have been quoted as saying they have memberships in the 10k+ range which seems believable when girls much less popular than them like Pomu have 3-4k members you can verify with their emote slots. Not sure what you mean about merch they get something new practically every month be it liscensed or official company produced merch. And don't forget crazy fujos buy a billion of everything. Looking at just the English language store they have had over 320000 orders through there since it was established as of the end of last month. Not taking into account they also sell EN merch through the JP store and it usually tops the sales ranking there everytime it's released.

>>32510400
>>32510436
The market for male Vtubers exists, but the way Cover is trying to capture it is dumb. Focusing on collabs with HoloEN will not bring new viewers to HomoStarsEN and will hurt the girls' numbers

>>32510973
weird definition of focusing when they have thrice the number of collabs among themselves than with girls, and almost as many with HolostarsJP, if we count from when they were first allowed to collab.

So do we think Tempus will eventually try to hang out with NijiEN, or does Omega have the gun to their collective heads?

>>32511057
i dont think it will. westerners dont do gachikoi

>>32510973
Now the girls are divided too because of those males. Part of holo power is they work together as a team. It will get worse at this rate

>>32510972
Nijinigger please. The only argument of Nijiniggers is that they are more popular due to merch but if you follow them, they really had no merch except for keychains. All the merch cope was some Family Mart foods.

>>32511235
the box was flushed down the fucking toilet

>>32511119
Since the restriction was lifted they have collabs several times a week. This gives the impression that they are leeching HoloEN to help a brand that is historically weaker

>>32511044
>no proof
Lie more Nijisis

>>32511248
And yet somehow Anycolor brings in more sales revenue than Cover with merch being the biggest money maker.

>>32511166
They have gachikois, but they are not as vocal as the Leddit and Discord tourists

>>32511248
They make more money than Hololive, whether that is due to merch or not I don't know, but it's a fact that they do. You can keep pretending holoEN makes more than NijiEN in your head despite not having anything to back it up though.

>>32511481
Anycolor has 3 times more talents than Cover. It is natural that they have a higher revenue

Holy shit so many holofaggots in denial in this thread KEK

>>32511542
Merch is by far the biggest earner for Anycolor. Here's a breakdown of their 21-22 sales figures.

Domestic Livestreaming 21.1%
Domestic Commerce 46.9%
Domestic Events 5.5%
Domestic Promotion 16%
NIJISANJI EN 8%
Other Areas 2.5%

The only reason for HoloEN's "decline" is because Gura doesn't stream
If she streamed/produce content more, the interest for HoloEN will easily rekindled again

Kyo and Regis would make a fantastic duo

>>32511542
A revenue only 4% higher having almost 150 members is a failure in terms of monetization

>>32511427
I've never seen an underperforming branch receive that much special treatment before. What did they do to deserved that many special treatment?

>>32511639
Not to mention that Cover has no access to the Chinese market

>>32511639
>>32511546
Talk about moving the goalposts. The guy was questioning if Nijisanji make money through merch saying they have none. But these two combined show they sold nearly 7bn yen worth of the shit last year.
>>32511610
>>32511542

>>32511546
This is the type of copium that even Kronies and Deadbeats would cringe at

>>32511769
So we are talking about NijiEN or what?

>>32508538
Omegatroon has a tranny flag in the bio of his real twitter account thats all you need to know about HoloEN management

>>32511710
Spotted Nijinigger, Cover never cared that much about talent perfomace

stop talking about my boys ok?

>>32511818
based seethe fuck holoEN

>>32510010
Asking them to adhere to the standards set by industry leader Usada Pekora is not unreasonable at all

>>32511848
Go back, homobeggar

>>32511769
A loser will move his goalpost back until he has nothing left.

>>32511795
Nijicope

>>32510010
Must have gotten your source from a drama newsfag. Only people screaming were /here/ or Twitter...but Twitards are always screaming so I don't count that. When the shit first hit the fan with Kronii just about everyone that didn't like the Collab was very civil and very patient. They explained their point of view rationally and delivered their message with respect. It was only after Kronii made her shitty flip-floppy response that they started getting more wild. If she had just ripped the band-aid off it would have gone better for her in the long run. As it stands now she's trying to appease to both types of fans and all it's doing is making each side each other more and more and get louder and louder. I wish all of Hololive would just up and renounce their idol status. Just tell me now so I can drop them and find another group that still respects what made Hololive so unique and different in the first place.

>>32511894
Suck my Dick, and take your dirty whores away from the boys, they only bring the mood down.

>>32511710
I would also like to know the logic behind Omegay's decisions

>>32508965
Yet Holo decided to put out ugly male designs and pander to brotuber beggars and now even Noctyx beats them out. Should have went for a female audience instead of one who don't even support men. Most of those SCs come from women.

>>32510084
>still coping about muh chink fujos
There was a panel and a meet & greet full of Luxiem fans in america with only a handful that traveled from different countries to go to California. This cope doesn't hold up anymore. Face it, women are just the superior supporters of their hobbies and interests.

>>32512041
Trannies don't have dicks, since you cut them off

>>32512029
bruh the idol status go to renounced long ago

>>32508538
>virtue signaling
It's over

>>32512081
Women are the betrayor gender.

Hey anons, psstt

Let me remind you that EN didn't collab with Males for nearly 2 years
And everything was fine

Suddenly Tempus is here and faggots are crying that no male collab is oppression?
www

>>32511546
Holy copium

>>32512157
The fuck does this even mean? Have you run out of cope so much that you're having a stroke and stringing random words together?

>>32511542
It's funny how people always bring this out when few people understand what it means. Saleswise, Niji is only making 3.66% more than Holo. So what's the cause of the difference in net income? It's administrative expenses. Cover is paying twice the amount for managers and staff. Looking at this, you can see how much Niji is a black company.

>>32512097
Not officially Baelz. I want them to say it out of their own fucking mouths. I want them to stop calling each other "seiso idols" I want them to stop "going to idol meetings" and I want them to talk about their period blood filled escapades like normal whores do. In the same way they abuse the woman card only when it suits them, they call themselves idols only when its convenient for them or when its time to shill merch.

>>32512237
got'em

>>32511161
Omega on the Holo side, Noor on the Niji side

>>32511546
ohnonononono

>>32512047
All I see is the collab brought in a new kind of audience that fucking hate the current audience. They will tear each other apart and left when everything is ruined

>>32511481
HoloJP mogs NijiJP so hard it more than makes up for HoloEN's failure.

>>32512243
More like Cover is hugely inefficient and wasting money while Anycolor is being properly run.

>>32512139
It feels like anons are sinking this rrat on purpose. It's not going away.

>>32510436
This might make sense, if Gura hadn't said recently that her latest merch broke the hololive sales record (including JP) despite the fact that she's not high on the SC ranking.

>>32512377
To hey hired omegay so i can't really argue with that.

>>32512249
lmao you have nothing left after you got BTFO'd by everyone in this thread. Thanks for the free laughs.

>>32511710
>>32512047
Yagoo has always given Holostars special treatment, but Omega thought he could one-up Yagoo by breaking the male-female collab stigma, and now HoloEN is suffering for it.

>>32512243
More like Niji is lax when it comes to managers and staff so they don't have to spend much in that area while hololive wastes a ton there because they are control freaks when it comes to what their talents can do or not.

>>32512403
>drawing with Daph
Tell me this is not real kek

>>32512434
Don't watch ethots with avatars.

>>32512466
Niji has no managers anon. That's why they don't have any kino 3D birthdays. No 3D studio staff. They even dissolved KR and ID so that they won't pay their admin.

>>32512362
HoloJP lost Coco and Rushia, their biggest money makers. They aren't doing so hot either.

>>32512438
>now HoloEN is suffering for it.
No, it's not. The reddit audience eats it all up.

>>32512549
the holo incel reign is over

>>32512337
>>32512403
The collabs with HoloEN and this crazy SJW is going to bring the worst kind of trannies to the fanbase. The shitshow this will cause is monumental

>>32512422
And management refused her dakimakura anyway. Refusing money in business mean nothing but pure retardation

>>32512487
Of course it is. The males will be able to collab with everyone and anyone who will accept especially if they have a larger audience until they become the dominant force in the male EN space then they will stop collabing with everyone except on very rare occasions. That's the way cover does business.

Compare to a year ago, HoloEN growth have been stagnating
Can't fault Omega for being desperate

HoloEN: hey guys there's a stream later would be great to see you there
NijiEN: ooooo I'm a bottom please cum on me daddy SEX

>>32512622
Thank God I abandoned HoloEN and only watch HoloJP and Kawaii

>>32512554
>The reddit audience eats it all up.
Yes, for a few months until they move on to the next shiny thing. After that, holoEN will be nothing but a hollowed out used up husk. You can already see them getting bored with Tempiss as their regular numbers continue to drop outside of female collabs.

>>32508424
The truth? The actual truth?
It's actually very complicated. It has nothing to do with virtue signaling or whatever bullshit /pol/ has rotted your brain with. It's just capitalism. The short answer is that Hololive is a big fish in a small pond, while Nijisanji is a small fish in a big pond. Think outside vtubing. Companies like Holo and Niji want to grow beyond niche internet streaming and turn their business into something that can compete with like, anime and television as an industry. Hololive's continued growth requires breaking into new markets, which is very difficult for it to do in its current form.

Hololive is undeniably the industry leader, but they've done so by associating themselves with idolfags and anime otaku, and pandering heavily to them. And that's been very lucrative for them, undeniably, but they've also reached saturation. How many more potential Hololive fans are you going to get from the kissless virgin demographic? I think just about everyone who could be a Hololive fan, is one, at this point. Or at least knows about them. And Hololive keeps them happy, but in doing so - keeping up the CGDCT atmosphere, doing idol shit, keeping genders segregated, etc - all this turns off normalfags and the twitch market. A much, much larger, more general audience that represents an untapped market. Corporations like Hololive are never content with what they have, they always want more. They always want their cake and to eat it too. But the twitch audience wants male collabs, they want to see the girls interact with men, they care about interesting content more than they do GFE. That's the difference between the idol crowd and the twitch crowd.

Nijisanji has done a good job of gathering this crowd. They don't do as good of a job with the otaku crowd as Holo does - but they don't alienate the GFE fans either, that's key - despite what some dramafags on /vt/ will say, Niji has plenty of parasocial incels feeding akasupas as well and Selen worshippers or whatever. But at the same time, they normalize male collabs, stream with twitch streamers, and in doing so they break the barrier and introduce their vtubers to this twitch audience Hololive desperately wants. That's what Holo wants to copy. But at the same time, Hololive has kind of "spoiled" its idol fans - it's gotten them used to being waited on, hand and foot, and so there's this dilemma - Hololive made its name for pandering to idolfags, but in doing so it makes it impossible to grow into new markets.

Tempus is a VERY measured and careful attempt to break into a new market. Barely collab with the girls, compared to what Niji does, and the idolfags still go wild and bully Kronii into taking a break. And this is why Holo struggles to enter the Twitch market. In the end, I don't care who's right or wrong or who's the cuck or who's the incel, but this is the truth - Hololive wants to grow, it doesn't JUST want to be a niche thing for idolfags and Otaku.

>>32512680
>Hololive is undeniably the industry leader
Meanwhile back in reality
>>32511542

>>32512091
I will stitch it back just for you. Special treatment for faggots like you

>>32512634
Omega didn't even try.
Gura doesn't even have any cover songs in her channel (non-shills)

>>32508424
Armchair business anon - talking like he knows shit about anything but seething on a Mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>32512680
Nijisanji is tiny compared to Hololive. They're RC Cola compared to Hololives Coke. Also normalfags don't watch streams, hence Niji getting fucking smashed every single month in the CCV rankings

>>32512538
Lie more Holosis

>>32512337
>>32512596
>incel unicorn no longer feel welcome in hololive
Good, people like you are insufferable

>>32511542
>Any colour has to suck chink dick for 4% more revenue than Cover who doesn't have any need to pander to China or make compromises for them
You count this as a win? It's a huge failure.

>>32511546
>>32511639
>Having the most subscribed Vtuber
>Having the world 1st and 2nd superchat earner
>Having graduation live that once be the most superchatted stream in vtuber history
>still lose in sales and revenue
>Y-You have more talents!
This cope is so funny. Sadly, Cover probibally won't even be able to have this many sales in this coming year as the termination of Rushia literally tanked their superchat while Luxiem keeps being Nijisanji's top earner and still has an anniversary, new outfit, and even 3D yet to come.

>>32512650
This your /MANS/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDzjdNBGicU

>>32512834
When did rc cola make double the profits of coca cola?
>>32511542
Holofags live in some world of delusions.

>>32512680
That's a lot of words for something you clearly know very little about. Niji competes by having more, less popular streamers, while hololive has fewer but more popular streamers because they appeal heavily to their target demographic. By abandoning their target demo and imitating niji as you suggest, their streamers will drop to the same popularity level as nijis, but there will be far fewer of them.

>>32512680
Very nice essay there, anon.
But unfortunately you are an idiot.
You're making the same mistake with Disney.
You DON'T alter established IP like Star Wars to cater to new audience.
You can succeed with making a loose prequel like Rogue One, but destroying the original to create a woke new trilogy is retarded.

it's over. we had a good 5 year run.

>>32512890
>You count this as a win? It's a huge failure.
You forget you're probably talking to a chink fujo.

>>32512834
>tiny
>Koshien 320K ccv while HoloSummer live with all HoloJP and 2 HoloEN 200K ccv
Do you numbertard really think your own stupid daily ccv horserace matters?

>>32513064
let it go anon this isnt even on topic

>>32513064
>A bunch of normalfags showing up to watch baseball means Niji is popular
A company can't live on meme events alone anon

>>32513064
The holofags that think CCV is the only metric are just as retarded as the nijiniggers that think it's irrelevant.

>>32512881
No one want to hear your feeling, snowflake

>>32513189
>Can't even attract normalfags to watch your by far biggest free live with all the members only stuck with the 200K combined CCV which literally the same wit every big event
This is even sadder though. Isn't this called stagnated?

>>32513354
>Isn't this called stagnated?
Why post about these things is you have no clue? 200k was a 30% increase over the previous record, it was unironically a huge incline.

>>32513354
Hololive fans actually show up to watch other streams, buy merch and member though. Nijifags don't.

>>32513492
200k on a Weekday too

>>32512890
>than Cover who doesn't have any need to pander to China or make compromises for them

LOL

LMAO
EVEN

>>32512953
>>32512977
I know what I'm talking about, trust me, far more than you do. I'm not saying this is what Hololive SHOULD do. I'm saying this is what the higher-ups at Hololive are THINKING. They have a core audience but every corporation takes their core audience for granted. This is why Disney does the shit they do.

And honestly, they succeeded. From a business POV they traded maybe a few million angry basement dwelling nerds for a billion chinks. So yes, Disney absolutely succeeded. Artistically? Maybe not. Business wise? Sure. But the executives are not artists. They are businessmen. And they want to make money. Same with Hololive. Do you think they give two shits about your feelings?

>>32513492
They were doing swimsuit thing unlike last time, can't be compared. There's no incline. HoloJP lost Coco, Rushia, holoEN numbers are going down the toilet, etc.

>>32513773
star wars crashed and burned

>>32512403
https://logs.ivr.fi/?channel=39daph&username=39daph
jfc

>>32513783
I don't think I've ever actually said the word "cope" in an argument before, but holy fuck.

>>32513645
Don't forget to work Xi's balls, Nijifag

>>32513773
Star Wars only got temporary profit for Force Awakens, all subsequent releases flopped

>>32513773
I see what you're saying, but I just don't think the hololive management are that retarded. They clearly aren't doing what you suggest they are thinking with the JPs, and if they are doing it with EN, why would they expect copying the less popular formula (niji) to result in becoming more popular? It makes no sense.

>>32513833
Love this. Much more lethal drama than the number spergsperg

>>32513864
At least compare your events to recurring ones to see if they "inclined" or not. You can't say holo has "inclined" with this kind of stream when they have never done it before. Koshien is an annual thing and it keeps getting more and more viewers each year.

>>32513833
kek she's already noticed you guys don't like that she's collabing with holostars

>>32509295
Reminder that Cover passed on her, and by proxy passed on Elira, Selen, Rosemi, Millie and Enna. A single womanlet tipped the entire balance of an industry. She could've been your Ame, and the rest could have been your IRyS and Council.

They reap what they sowed. And whatever they sowed wasn't streams.

>>32512680
The way holo do it is super dumb. They could've introduce a new branch of male and female intended for collab, separated from the rest until the talents can make it on their own (capable of attracting normie to their stream). Their greed for quick result lead to the destruction of EN.
Niji EN didn't success in attracting normie either. They got a lot of chink fujo money and a few female worshipper groups, but most of those are individual successes and not the norm. Many old and new talents have become 3 views after normie get bored of them. Most of Niji profit came from pandering to niche audience and not normies.
Anime tried so hard, but their successes on normies is limited. Therefore the same will happen to vtubing.

>>32514139
this is exactly the yab to kill EN

>>32514062
>Hurr hurr, hololive has stagnated because they only got 200k, same as they always get on these things!
>Actually 200k was a 30% incline over their previous record for a 3d live
>Nooooo, you can't compare, it's not fair!
Why are nijiniggers like this?

>>32514229
Were they showing off swimsuits last time? No they weren't. Koshien is always just people playing baseball.

>>32514253
Who cares about your niji shit? The original claim was that hololive had stagnated because the last live got the same views that they always get. This is simply false and now you're trying to move the goalposts by coping about fucking swimsuits.

>>32514313
So your proof of "incline" are streams that don't have the same content, got it. We both know the only reason holo got 200k was because of coombaiting with swimsuits, not because their numbers actually increased.

>>32513492
>>32514313
Your MC sport event already once had 200K combined, mind you. Summer festival and RUST war were around 180K iirc.
For Koshien, there were a 32K EN watchalong and a 13K JP watchalong alongside it, while Hololive has almost all of its talents stopped streaming for one day to hype up the event, yet still only had 200K combined that already been known way back to the MC sports event.
You can keep coping with incline than last time or whatever until Hololive ever got 490K combined again, or even 300K to say the least, I will agree with you.
>>32513596
explain this >>32508965 then

>>32513773
Holo don't have a large library of classic original content like Disney to rely on.Holo only have anime girls streaming but Disney not only make animation but also TV show, theme park, TV service, movie and music. Comparing them is stupid.

>>32514454
you're still talking about baseball

This is how the vtuber market looks like.

HoloEN is not pulling their weight

>>32514422
>it's fine when nijinigs compare and erroneously claim stagnation, but as soon as you correct the numbers it's not fine to compare.
If you say so.

>>32514454
I realise this is difficult for you retards to understand, but I simply don't care about koshien. It did good numbers, good for you. It has absolutely nothing to do with the original claim that hololive stagnated because holosummer got the same views that it usually does:
>the 200K combined CCV which literally the same wit every big event

Stop talking about baseball you retards, those are not niji audience. It's like saying Korekore audience in his game livestream = his audience during the Rushia yab

>>32512680
>they don't alienate the GFE fans either
You know I think you're right about that part at least. The girls that NijiEN viewers often cite as having the most parasocial audiences like Elira or Selen their normal donators and long time members don't seem to mind male collabs at all. I've seen them outright suggesting them even when the girls have asked for ideas for collabs.

>>32512680
The way they want to grow is wrong. No they can't just suddenly jumping on normie and expect them to support them. They have to do it step by step.
First is the anime crowd, funny animation of clip receive positive respond 99% of the time. Holo alternative was a project everyone love, but botched. If it success it can draw plenty of /a/ fags in
2nd is manga reader, JP holo is doing good at dominating the doujin area. Marine supported this. This prove the demand for holo official manga is large. A good original mango can draw manga fags in
3rd is the gamers, those are harder to please and error project flopped. But there are talented people who made great mod and fangame that can draw those gamers in. Holo need to give those creator support to encourage them. Holocure is kind of dead in the water right now and it's not a good sign.

>>32514645
HoloEN 25.8 M vs Niji 6.3 M

>>32514788
Thinking about it more from what I've observed those two don't really act any different in collabs with males than they do with the girls. If you go too far with it and start actively indulging get ships though like someone like Reimu did with Vox donators start to evaporate.

>>32514831
I typed it wrong

>>32514831
He made an error. If you look at the top graph that's the number for all hololive not HoloEN.

>>32509208
>NijiEN have more sponsorships
Because they're cheaper, retard. You can get all of NijiEN to shill for the same price it costs to get Gura for an hour.

>>32514915
superchat is subhuman behavior jesas

>>32514936
For this specific metric, wouldn't more Gura contents instantly solve the situation?

>>32515098
The problem is getting Gura to stream.

>>32514936
>14 Niji ENs are under Baelz the lowest HoloEN
Fucking hell, kek

>>32508538
It IS for money. They're just clueless.

>>32515181
Niji has so many more livers than Holo has vtubers, Niji loses on a per capita basis.

>>32509295
Who is this?

>>32515455
Ars almal.

HoloEN died by the death of a thousand cuts and what we're left with is an unrecognizeable corpse. With the exception of Gura I just don't watch them anymore because they've utterly deviated from the premise and are actively destroying it. Hololive and HoloEN aren't going to gain anything with any of this longterm. They diluted the prestige of their own brand, and normalfaggots come and go. Chuubas like Gura, Ina, Kiara and a handful of others who haven't submitted to the male cancer have a future though, even if it's outside Hololive. My dream would be for them to form their own group or join a small corpo under their own terms. Omega fucked up everything, Tempus fucked up everything, and always remember it was Mori who opened the floodgates of shit first.

Even if there's a EN3 I doubt I'll watch them because why bother? The future of vtubing is in indies and small corpos.

>>32516159
Sad but true. I'll see the last days of EN together with you

>>32514822
HoloAlt isn't an anime project, they just made MVs of it to promote the concept. It's just an umbrella for media based on the alternate world concept which includes the various manga and HoloEarth so far.
Holocure devs have also repeatedly refused to take money for it since they have other full time careers and this is a passion project that they want to take their time and not be pressured with. There are also other smaller fangames that the talents promote from time to time. Too bad the Smol Ame dev went schizo.
Big HoloCure update on Friday btw.

>>32516159
Holostars JP branch has been there for a long time, yet those who watched Hololive JP barely ever noticed its existence. All the exceptions were pretty insignificant in the big picture.

The EN branch totally failed to replicate this successful Japanese model.

>>32516159
A lot of truth here, but I haven't given up entirely yet. I still have hope that it will settle out into a nijified faction with the homos, and a hololive faction with the good ENs like Gura. EN3 will probably just be split between the two factions like the first two gens.

>>32516159
It's never not funny to see people like you being so melodramatic. Get over yourself.

>>32508538
exactly, fire omega NOW

>>32516159
Funny HololiveEN nowadays is completely losing its identity and becoming another Nijisanji/Vshoujo. Sad to see but well it's time to move to JP.

>>32508778
NIP + EN > CHN

>>32516589
I remember there was an attempt with holoalt manga but the artist went full retard too

>>32508424
>Gura, Fauna, & IRyS
If the Trinity falls, so goes HoloEN

>>32516159
Based anon

>>32516159
Same

HoloEN is doomed to fail since taiwan incident, normies who wanted casual entertainment filtered by constant zealous holo fans crusades against chinks, when luxiem happened, normies and fujo flooded niji fanbase alongside the chinks, also ironmouse's subathon normalized vtuber x flesh streamer interaction, hololive's CGDCT dying out to western market since then, rushia incident made it worse, most of normies didn't care about nda, they only know that hololive fanbase was a cancer for not allowing male interaction. Normies launched crusades against idol culture once more, i dare to say holo fanbase is more cancer than chinks in the eyes of normies. Western fanbase growth already stopped, holoEN try to pander normies but they chose the most boring and edgy personels to lead their normie pandering campaign, weebs already tired of this shit and they went back to chinese gacha games

Hololive is dying, I'm not a unicorn so i don't really feel cucked by the male streamer, but CGDCT is the reason i watch holo in the first place. But i will still watch it till the end, holo is my favourite animaay. And just like i did when i stayed as touhou fan despite kancolle and fgo ravaged our popularity, i will never watch niji or vshojo even if holo is dead, i probably back to full gaming and cooming

>>32509572
Or yagoo just prefers males. And is sick of dealing with girls. Based

>>32510360
>Normies ruin a comfy hobby once again.
If only that 2019 Azur Lane collab never happened

>>32511625
She won't stream though. So men are needed. The more EN becomes like ID the better. They need streamers badly. EN is failing thanks to Gura and the stagnation of chasing the dwindling unicorn audience

>>32515455
Ngmi

>>32508778

Choosing between Coco, one of their highest Superchat earners, and literal Chinese propaganda pigs, I think they made the best decision to kick CN out.

When you let Chinese shareholders and nazis take root in your company, you're doomed. You'd find more happiness opening HoloLive Uganda at that point.

>>32509295
The moment that ruined NijisanjiEN forever

>>32521048
They correctly realized kicking Coco wouldn't be enough to appease bugs, so they cut their losses. If they had kicked Coco, their reputation with everyone else would had gone up in flames, and they would eventually get chased out of China anyways.

>>32510130
After so many collabs with HoloEn and now daph, I doubt fujo money is viable

>>32521724
Luxiem hangs around a lot with women. They're not bothered that much by female collabs, albeit they won't watch them. Luxiem collabing with iluna girls is the only time I've seen a big 5view youtuber only draw 1000 people due to how much of an antidraw their collab partner is.

>>32513645
>doesn't have any need to pander to China
I'm sure that Coco graduation had nothing to do with China.

CGDCT is da wae

>>32508424
Its brave for you to conclude that HoloEn fans will switch to NijiEN

>Alot of HoloEN Fans already Jumpship to the One and True Paradise!

>>32523350
If you haven't done that in these past two years, you never will. Anyone leaving HoloEN will probably stop watching vtubers altogether.

>>32518568
>Fauna
>He doesn't know

>>32512047
Grudge against cis women. He’s trying to destroy their jobs

>>32508424
Some niji fan who happened to practice black magic caused this by casting a powerful spell at the cost of her own soul one day during a mental breakdown, now the "nijification" that nijifags meme about is happening but to their competitor brand! Now there will be TWO nijisanjis!! I saw all this in a dream.

>>32522479
> CCO content board committee who rejected all Coco's project and made her life became living hell.

They did in directly way anon
They have power after Taiwan incident

>>32514145
>Selen with the Fauna skin
Cool

fire omega... he's going to ruin everything

>>32529166
Omega is Yagoo's son

>>32513189
>A bunch of normalfags showing up to watch baseball means Niji is popular
>nomalfags watch a simulator doll game
>normalfags watch a game where every character has name they don't know
do holobronies really? is this what they cope with?

bump

>>32508424
Well its the better and more popular model, ive watched some indie vtubers and none of them sang HoloEN songs while NijiEN's were pretty common

>>32529166
it's too late. HoloEN is over. it's only downhill from here

>>32533824
westerners think idols are misogyny
they are correct

>>32533824
This, Cover already saw holoEN stagnation for a year now, and look at nijiEN who triple the revenue and view in half a year after Luxiem, who wouldn't want that cake?

>>32512243
Anycolor has more in sales BEFORE operating expenses and salaries are taken into account. That merely widens the gap

>>32508424
sometimes, in a company, there are boomers in the upper management who don't know what they're doing.
They don't know exactly why things are popular and they'll make stupid decisions.
The bigger the company, the more people like this.
Not mentioning that we're talking about a jp company.

>>32512634
No shit, Covid lockdown is over. That was world-historical boom times for this business model

>>32508424
hmmm

>>32514145
We don't want terrible streamers, thanks.

>>32525331
>professionalism
He doesn’t know. Show me a sex tape or shut the fuck up, your word means shit to me.

>>32535407
Omegatranny is fighting a culture war. It's the usual western cancer.

>>32539810
Eddy

>>32512905
Holy nijiseethe.

>>32512438
The voices in your head are not a real audience.

>>32509572
Contrary to what fungus thinks, they are far from beating either of the Jp branches lol, be it holo or niji

>>32509572
Luxiem is not even the biggest EN group.

>>32529166
>>32533849
Retard

>>32514936
Who is Holo IN?
Is this the secret Indian branch?

>>32519949
Lots of words to say that you like to suck big black cocks

>>32516159
Kill yourself.

>>32511481
>sales revenue
>this illiterate retard brings up a picture about stream hours

>>32535407
Reminds me of bandai namco and the "New Gundam Breaker" incident, as well as the death of "SD Gundam Online" A major company like bandai namco fucking up so bad because they did not understand their consumer base

>>32516159
Mucho texto

>>32508424
Not a yab
Pekora BOUGHT A FUCKING MONKEY