/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>3219343
JP routinely shitstomps EN's views except for rare occasions. Don't even know why you're trying when views are public data anyone can check out.

>>3219343
(You) will never be japanese

Wow it's as if more people on Earth speak English than Japanese

You get a gold star for your observation anon!

>>3219566
I want a free blowjob, not a medal.

>>3219343
This is the money game bruh. Japanese pay more. Cover prefer superchat ranking than this shit.

You were saying?

>>3219343
How about you look at average superchats per stream

>>3219343
Why can't people just enjoy whatever chuuba that they like? Why are everyone in a constant state of tribalism and shitflinging? Can't you just be happy with yourself and your oshi? Jesus you are so miserable

Golden week by the way, I thought nijisanji was the most popular company in japan

numbers thread?

Calli appeals to English speakers and Japan

>>3219343
God I hate HoloEn. Artificial views, dead subs. Literally getting more views on their outfit reviews because of ironic weebs, reddit, and western normalfags who will never watch another one of their streams ever again.

>>3219796
>no calli
update your chart

>>3219697
If you wanted that, you shouldn't have come to 4chan

>>3219819

Holy seethe, get worked mark.

I'm okay with this if it means keeping the EOPs away from my Japanese brides

But.. but the Golden Week buff and JP prime time!

>>3219599
Wait a few months and Mori will dunk on Flare in no time. Kiara, Gura and Mori might even break $1 million superchats by or before their 1-year anniversary.

>>3219819
I-Its ok nijibro, w-we still have the merch, r-right?

I guess going global in search for fame and numbers instead of strengthening the core audience really do have it's consequences. Cover will now treat EN as the absolute golden goose instead of JP. That much is certain.

>>3219902
>redditspacing
Go back

>>3219819
Go back to /jp/ weeb

>>3219343
Japs love english shit, they love americans who speak japanese and english to them, they love hafus
/jp/ can seethe all they want but westaboos know what they want and EOPs can actually understand EN streamers

>>3219343
that's not true and you know it, you're baiting for these replies >>3219419

>>3219981
Who are you quoting tourist-chama

How many donations did calli get

>>3219962
Delusional

>>3220030
you will NEVER be japanese

>>3219343
Too bad none of those viewers ever show to her regular streams
1 and a quarter million subscribers and she never breaks 10k except for special occasions
Almost like EN treats vtubers like a fad

Seethe and cope your oshi WILL learn english and do english streams

>>3219962
they will once they found a way to sell EN merch cheaper, so far they got sponsors and a good quantity of SC earns

>>3220116
What happened this night already cemented the fact that people care more about an EN holo than a JP holo. Please stop the projection.

>>3219890
you can't update a chart before the stream ends dumbass.

EN fags were saying for months how live views don't matter and muh VODs are the only thing that do, now you finally got a high number of live viewers and suddenly it matters again

>>3220243
then dont post it until the stream ends dumbass

>>3220237
Not really, how many of these people will come back tomorrow? How about next week? Next month?

EN definitely has a wider reach, but JP has a stronger grasp so far.

>>3219796
That powapuro tourney was kino.

>>3220237
What happened this night is the culmination of years jp hardwork and the miracle of cover talent scouting team finding 5 talented individual so fit with hololive culture. Next en wave wont be as good as the 1st

yeah and Calli lost like 50k, 5 min after the outfit was shown. Most of the viewers are only there for the outfit and to be in the loop

>>3219343

>>3220181
This is true, most of those viewers will never show up for regular streams.

Niji always wins in japan baby!

Lotta people didn't even stay for the karaoke part after the full outfit reveal.

>>3220673
>implying it would be any different for a jp girl

>>3220486
>Most of the viewers are only there for the outfit and to be in the loop
Who wouldn't?

>>3220609
rent free

>>3220609
>>3219728
anonchaama....

>>3220485
How can you be so sure? Maybe Cover will go full throttle with the EN scouting and treating it as the main thing. It's proven again and again that EN has a much, much wider reach. The potential is vastly bigger, especially when JP vtubing is reaching saturation.

>>3220673
To be fair, she never said there would be a karaoke after (or at least it wasn't spread around)

>>3220709
Moreso implying most hololive fans (or VTuber fans in general) aren't gonna stay regardless.

>>3220486
That just what happen in every outfit reveal. People leave right after the outfit was revealed.

>>3220867
it was included in her schedule
not that it matters, 70k people staying for the second half of a outfit reveal is a shitton

>>3219728
Why are Nijisanji's most popular streamers males? WTF is their demographic even?

>>3219728
>have to reveal new outfits just to compete
Sad

>>3219343
>now
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>3220964
Fujos and trannies

>>3220964
People that don't hate their own gender.

The first 25mins was okay. The reveal was good. Her live performance was the best I have heard her so far. It's no wonder at least 70k-65k stayed on even after reveal. 130k isn't unheard of for a new costume reveal. Noel had the same or even bigger but it dumped low after the reveal. It was good. She was high energy. I keep saying she should skip games altogether and just do zatsus or what not. She's a lot more entertaining that way. Also sleep. She needs to sleep or pretend to be high energy like right now. It was great.

People love outfit reveals
Specially when it's the first one

>>3219728
>I thought nijisanji was the most popular company in japan
they are

>>3220964
Their male streamers generally get better superchats and views compared to the females. Basically, If you have a vagina, your best bet in vtubing is to go to Hololive.

>>3221308
The answer is subjective to where you live. Global is Hololive. JP is Nijisanji followed very closely by Hololive.

Calli inclining hard on Bilibili. This is gonna be the next big thing, mark my words.

>>3221052
nijibro, the dream is over, we have to move on...

>>3219697
Remember this is just a small minority of retards known as 4chan. Don’t let it get to you

>>3221396
EN is unironically popular in China, but of course by China I mean Taiwan

>>3219343
Wow if only they could get a new outfit every week then they would be on easy street.

>>3221374
You mean two of them do. On average females do way better. Fujo vampire is an exception.

>>3221100
>Wigger gets 16k in an hour just by showing a new set of png clothes to horny teenagers
Why even bother studying as doctor or a lawyer when this shit exists

>>3219343
Hololive has always been inflated by EOPs, nothing new. Maimoto currently still hold the highest ccv in the vtuber scene and that has zero EOP buff. Really put things into perspective,

>>3219343
So any chance for Niji EN could beat Hololive EN??

Imagine what Gura is gonna pull in even when factoring in the Youtube glitch bullshit dropping like 1/4th-1/3rd of the real numbers

>>3219419
>JP routinely shitstomps EN's views

Cute bullshit. There are EN streams in top5 every day. Remove Pekora and EN will win most days. When you have just 5 EN holos and dozens of JP ones.

>>3221674
Wrong.

>>3221670
No

>>3221672
I doubt she will be much higher.

>>3221690
Wrong.

>>3219819
B-but we win on merch, right??

>>3221661
lots of ESL tho.

>>3219796
>Niji's highest viewed stream is a shill stream
Absolutely pathetic. I think we can ignore that one and consider Miko the #1 on the list.

>>3219419
Dogfuckers seething

>>3221779
y-yes and w-we still have better game permission like apex, monhun, valorant...

>>3221719
That's what people said for Mori and now they're on full copemode.

>>3221308
They really aren't. Hololive routinely beats them in all youtube metrics. Keep clinging to your MUH MERCH meme though. Or is it the bilibili money from their Chinese masters that make them bigger?

>>3220964
Majority of their viewers are male. It's just that males are funnier and better at games and GFE shit isn't the norm in vtubers

>>3219343
>135K max viewers
>Not even $20K in superchats


kek

>>3219819
You will never be Japanese

>>3221639
cause you are not a woman?

>>3221952
>youtube metrics
Meanwhile Nijisanji is on tv, billboards, in grocery stores, literally everywhere.

>>3221593
Nope. Fuwa, Mayuzumi, Chaika and Yashiro do better on average than females. Only Mito and Lize compare

>>3220964
Because Niji's fanbase is comprised of effeminate beta cucks that actually willingly watch cringe male vtubers.

>>3222023
1) the japanese have always given more in SC, this has always been the case
2) where did you get your numbers? i thought you can't see SC/viewership numbers until the stream ends and she's still reading superchats.

>>3221670
maybe in a different time line

>>3222040
t. monolingual burger

>>3219343
I think the reason Holo EN wanted Calli to go first, is so she gets the best numbers. They favor her.

>>3222059
Is this the next MUH MERCH meme? By that logic Kizuna Ai is still the biggest vtuber in the world. You guys are always pushing stuff other than easily provable raw numbers because you know you can't measure up in that regard. Face it you Nijifags have nothing.

>>3221670
100%

>>3222166
Sorry you don't live in Japan or you'd know this stuff.

>>3222093
The thing is most EN fans only donate when they're sure their comments will be read. They don't have the JP habit of saving up and dropping a big one on an special occasion

>>3222059
both companies got their chuubas in tv, billboards, stores, etc, but of course you dont know this since you are just another pathetic tribalistfag

>>3222059
And Ina is gonna be on Time Square, what’s your point?

>>3220891
And all those people that left came from reddit.

>>3220709
>>3220891
>>3220894
Pekora still maintain her 80K on joke outfit stream even after the reveal

>>3222181
Beat on failure

>>3222093
nah playboard tries to keep a livecount going

>>3219728
>Dark Souls Remastered
>Apex
>Valorant
>More fucking Apex
Maybe Nijis should stop playing shit games.

>>3221899
you have no idea what that stream was about, do you?

>>3221670
They need to be lucky enough to either get legend like Gura willingly to apply for the audition which is almost impossible to meet the requirements while competing with Holo EN audition

>>3220099
bout at least 4k dunno

>>3222453
These are all kino, especially Valorant

>>3222453
Apex is what lets Kuzuha dab on holotards. Cope.

>>3222518
Yet he's bored of APEX and prefers Valorant and LoL now.

>>3219343
>side branch
It’s all part of hololive. Crying over the success of one part is rather dumb, especially since all the parts support each other. EN helps grow the company, as does JP.

>>3221674
Marine is comparable with Pekora followed by Aqua ,Miko and now dark horse like Subaru.Even if you remove Pekora ,Shark need to compete with these monsters while EN is nothing without Gura number

>>3222465
No, I would never degrade myself and lower my self worth by watching Niji. All I know is that it clearly says "Promotion" right there. The picture literally spells it out for you. Unless you defend shill streams and you don't do that do you?

>>3221394
>followed very closely by Hololive

>>3222587

The lowest on the totem pole Kiara and Ina still pull in top of the line numbers comparable with the other top tiers

>>3222518
>Apex is what lets Kuzuha dab on holotards
I dont think so, he can only compete when he leechs a tournament or at the beggining of a new seaons

>>3222642
You can't be degraded any more than you already are

>>3220799
>the beginning of EN takeover
we're finally on a clearer track towards the final yab

>>3222657
>He searched for Japanese names for US

>>3222681
Kiara on supacha yes, her viewers are on the lower side of holos, and you're crazy if you think ina is on the lowest of the totem pole in viewers, she's by far the most stable of EN with 10k

>>3222681
Ina is Miko level in almost every aspect like growth, view etc while Kiara on other hand is Coco level without big stream like Meme review or Holotalk yet make tons of money thanks to superchat reading

>>3222753
Wait until Coco's Spanish pandering spread to more chuubas. Shameless numberfaggotry will be the ruin of Hololive as we knew it .

>>3222777
>too stupid to read

>JP:85K live viewers
>JP:$16.4K

>EN:135K live viewers
>EN:$16.9K

BTFO in both fronts!
Watakeks seething! JSL coping!

>>3222833
>Spreads
You know wactor is a thing right?

>>3222369
I don’t know what people standard of superchat here is but holy Jesus that’s a lot of donations

>>3222896
Have they interacted with Holos?

>>3222820
There are people who would have been outraged if Cover chose China over Coco, but if it had been China vs Kiara and Cover chose China, people would've been indifferent.

>>3222833
>Hololive ES
I have your answer.
>>3221622
>>3222532

>>3223044
Please tell me it's a rrat

>>3221670
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>3222896
Wactor is trying, but they are not hololive. If at least one of the new Holos EN2 speaks spanish then its over for Wactor

>>3221308
They have many times more streamers yet daily top10 is always 3/4 Hololive.

Numberfags get this look

>>3222166

>>3222978
China stuff is almost a year ago anon, people give Coco money because they genuinely enjoy her content and not because of pity anymore.

>>3223176
They have streamers that only pull in double digits at best. Even with Homos, Hololive doesn’t do that terrible. Might as well be indies at that point.

>>3222587
>EN is nothing without Gura number

Calli and Kiara are in top10 SC charts almost every week. EN gets hit by livewatch bug way more than JP in reality they have way more people watching.

>>3223176
Now remove the eops. That's the esence of the OP of this thread in the first place.

ATTENTION FUCKERS
>>3219343
>>3143183
>>3109302
>>3219792
THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR (4) NUMBERFAGGING THREADS ON THE BOARD

CHOOSE ONE AND DELETE THE REST

>>3223145
I talked to the ES directly and they said they loved it when big brand acknowledged them. So yeah, WACTOR was doomed since the beginning.

>>3222909
as that anon pointed out >>3222887
watame who had far less viewers got nearly the same. Watame is reliable but on the lover end of her generations SC earnings

>>3222809
This is accurate. People underestimate the stability of Ina.

>>3219343
It's no longer Nijisanji vs Hololive, it's Hololive EN vs Hololive JP

>>3223262
I will choose to believe this information.

>>3220673
>views drop when they start to sing
It's like every 3D debut.

>>3223078
I could see them take ES seriously.
ES is much better market than ID, probably not as big as EN.

>>3222657
Niji has what, 5x more streamers? When you look at top tiers Hololive dominates. Gay vampire is the only Niji who can even compete.

>>3223289
Just give them 3 girls like ID and they will be happy

>>3221639
content creators make dogshit money
most can't even monetize their shit until 2 years of making content and don't even crack minimum wage on their monetization until 5 years in
if they can stick with it and make content for 10 years and get supremely lucky they make a shitload of money for 3 years before the fads move on and something else gets big

I'd take a stable job and a degree over that shit

>>3223251
>They have streamers that only pull in double digits at best.
I don’t think even the international branches do this bad anon

>>3222887
Post Ayame's from yesterday.

>>3223262
Pekora made a twitch account recently, it’d be interesting to see her numbers if she did a MC stream.

>>3223420
KR and ID have members like that. Lowest for JP would be around 300.

>>3222681
You dont even know how to numberfag faggot. here is the hierarchy of EN live view wise ; gura (16k, below aqua btw), ina(9k), mori , ami then kiara. The rest of En are mid tier holos only gura is at top 5 and thats even barely

>>3222698
>>3222518
>>3222453
>Pekora's shit Apex gameplay had better number than Kuzuha despite being his niche


Oh no Nijibros!How can we cope?

>>3221100
>>3222887
>>3223434

>>3223308
They are both part of the same company, that's not really a competition.

>>3223510
I kneel

>>3222887
Here you go bro>>3223434

>>3223533
Yeah, it's pretty boring because fucking Subaru can beat majority of Nijisanji so Holo fans need to compete the talents from the same company just to satisfy their numberfag lust

>>3223510
Damn, Mori got mogged.

On the bright side if Kuzuha keeps reclining eventually he'll have low enough views that trolls will finally keep him out of their shit slinging.

>>3223227
Those are pretty shitty album sales across the board, you aren't exactly proving your MUH MERCH point with that. Actual popular albums sell into the millions.

The HimeHina album is the only good one on that list anyway as far as quality goes anyway.

>>3223498
>Gura

>>3223308
It just hlg vs hlgg.

>>3223356
>Gay vampire is the only Niji who can even compete
Not even he can compete anymore after his recent recline.

>>3222166
>By that logic Kizuna Ai is still the biggest vtuber in the world.
I mean, she is. Every other VTuber kneels in her presence; no other VTuber has that level of power or respect.

>>3223262
This is cope, the bug is more apparent in the jp side and calli and kiara barely scrapes top 10 monthly SC, they usually average 5m yen a month without special event or a milestone.

>>3223654
Not the point you're making but Rain Drops releases have been solid thus far, so definitely more than one good album in there.

>>3223676
That streams average liveview is 12k btw ;)

>>3223698
>Every other VTuber kneels in Kizuna Ai presence; no other VTuber has that level of power or respect
It’s artificial though, because they don’t want to be viewed as inconsiderate.

>>3222369
>>3223434

>>3223762
>all live streams have a top view count and tend to be under that number for the majority of the stream.
Why tell me that? Everyone knows that.

>>3219728
Song Mia.....

>>3223794
I HATE AYAME
GRADUATION WHEN

>>3223783
Or they don't want to be hounded by antis. Hajime once made a dumb joke about Mito eating the 4 Heavenly Kings THREE year ago and he got doxxed and his streams are still being dislike bombed to this day.

>>3223751
Niji albums aren't good

>>3223692
What's happening?

>>3223855
Ah, I understand what you are now. Have a nice day.

>>3223848
To be fair the Mito thing isn’t the only reason he gets dislikes

>>3223794
the power of the cutest Oni

>>3223858
No idea but his average viewership for March was around 26k. The numbers came out for April and his average viewership was 15k. He lost 11k average viewers over the course of one month. That is kind of an insane statistic.

>>3223625
>B-But muh US ans Canadian money

Unlike EOP, Nippon is very dedicated when it comes to grooming their oshi.KNEEl TO PRIDE OF JAPAN YOU FAGGOT

>>3223351
Indogs are preferable to espanola

>>3223858
switched from mostly apex to more valorant/LoL + he's fucking some other chuuba behind the scenes

>>3223654
Hololive's group album is selling about half of what Nijisanji's last one did in Japan and less than 6 random Nijisanji members. Doesn't really seem like they have comparable levels of popularity to me. In terms of money though if you want to talk about muh merch meme it isn't anything to be ignored. That Nijisanji album for example sold well over $1m worth on its own.

>>3223885
Wasn’t that because he stopped playing apex nonstop?

>>3223280
why not remove all numberfagging threads altogether?
the only acceptable numberfagging here is /nasfaqg/

En should only just stream new outfit starting right now, maybe that will get their numbers high

>>3223985
Butthurt AyameKEK. Sorry your whore got beat by the cringe reaper. You will learn to cope one day.

>>3223967
>Imagine building your entire vtubing career solely on a single game and whenever you even switch to another for just a moment your entire fanbase just pummels to the ground.
God damn

>>3223967
there was also a CR cup in march. there's another one this month, if he gets his shit together and decides to practice instead of wasting time on valo maybe we'll be able to understand if he's losing views because of no apex or because of whatever else anons say. i personally would like to know just out of curiosity.

>>3224004
Where?
>>3223794

>>3223885 is it something related with his yab?? I don't know the details but i think it's something related to some oni girls. Maybe anon here can elaborate It further

>>3224023
Reminds me of league streamers on twitch. Still stream the game even if they hate it because it brings in money.

>>3223890
Mori's total SC vs Ayame's total SC.
Ayame has been a vtuber for 2 years and 6 months.

>>3224045
It is mostly just what he is streaming. Look at today, did a normal apex stream gets 24k viewers, the valorant stream earlier the same day 11k.

>>3224045
It's definitely at least partially related to the change of games, because even post-yab his Apex streams get more viewers than the rest of what he does. Collabs and events also affect it but that's a given.

>>3223911
as an indog respectfully disagree with you

>>3224129
Wow, Ayame got brutalized. Even chicken is about to surpass her.

>>3224129
Ayame doesnt stream, but when she does, she gets more than mori like last months 8m>5m yen. ayame also mogs mori in liveviewers

>>3224129
Ayame's streaming time is more like a vtuber that has been in the scene for a year or less. She streams once or twice a week. If she collabs on another channel she might not even stream. She doesn't open free chats as well. So she is a bad comparison.

>>3224129
Incoming massive cope from the AyameKEKs. One day they will realize that nobody likes that dirty whore.

>>3224208
Because Ayame streams like once or twice a week so every stream becomes an event for her fans.

>>3224208
>>3224241
Calli streams just as frequently as well. She probably stream the less compared to the rest of EN due to workload.

>>3224129
>>3224168
Ayame is a bad comparison. She's not a regular streamer. Aqua is a better one because she streams everyday before. She's just busy preparing for her concert.

>>3224267
Nice cope but coco streams 10 plus times a week but her sc doesnt slow

>>3224277
Calli streams on the regular 3-4 times every week. Ayame streams once or twice a week. Ayame even had months where she was in hiatus.

>>3224327
Coco has nothing to do with this conversation

>>3223913
Where you get this data from? Provide link or bullshit

>>3224277
>>3224271
>>3224267
??

>>3223913
I'm waiting for your data and source? Like usual nijinigger can't provide any credible source.

>>3224517
https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/w/2021-05-03/
https://web.archive.org/web/20201104020915/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/w/2020-11-09/
https://web.archive.org/web/20200520022019/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/w/2020-05-25/

>>3222274
Because her fan bought some time on a billboard retard.

>>3224843
There's a screenshot of oricon right here with the numbers >>3223227
and links to the very same pages
>>3224849
It doesn't get much more credible than that.

Why does everyone care about numbers just enjoy your oshi

>>3224938
My oshi got about 16k on her debut and is just an indie. Make it more hilarious cause it was right after NijiKR’s shitshow of a debut. I’m more than happy to flaunt it

>>3224938
I can't enjoy my oshi properly unless I know other people's oshis are being crushed. That is why it's great being a hololive fan and watching them dab all over Niggersanji all day everyday in numbers.

>>3224849
This doesn't provide anything dumbass, it's captured at said date.
Total Hololive, Mori and Suisei beat the shit of those oricon sales you just mention, why lying and cherry picking the date?

>>3224023
Thats most streamers. People generally don't return to your stream unless it's the same thing they like so you get big off a game then have to fight tooth and nail to keep some of the audience when trying to branch out.

>>3224938
personally i love seeing trolls fight each other so here i am

Half a million views at the end of stream. 777k views now.

Imagine believing that 135k was max viewers. In reality is was over 200k.

>>3224849
>>3224878
Your data
>Nijisanji selling from 2020 may
>Hololive selling from 2021 February and didn't include Mori, Suisei, and single album
Why cherry picking?

>>3224037
Kuzuha never really cared about numbers. You can see that most of the times he doesn't bother making thumbnails or even naming the title properly. He just finds Valorant more fun even though it's a debuff game.

>>3225125
God damn. Deadbeats are scary.

>>3223498
>live view wise
live view wise Youtube decided to hide a portion of that real live number since december. ENs seem to be affected more.

>>3225129
post the better non-cherry picked data, anon. go ahead and own those nijifags epic style.

>>3225020
>>3225129
>Suisei
Do you mean Sora? Suisei doesn't have an album.

>>3224023
Anon, he was known as the "PUBG Guy" for a long time

>>3223498
>ami
How's the abuse fanfic coming along

>>3225125
Dream had 900k liveviews yet had 400k initial viewers for hours, vod doesnt say anything as i have said everytime to people who post screenshots like this

>>3225020
You don't seem to understand how these charts work. This is the weekly chart for Japanese album sales. In the first week it is on the chart Hololive's album has sold 14k copies and those other two albums in their first weeks sold 24k and 16k in the same time periods their first week on the charts. There is no extra for the Hololive album yet it's only been on there for one weeks charts. As for Suisei she wouldn't be on this chart. She released a digital single that sold 6k the first week and didn't chart again. Mori was on this chart twice I think before dropping off and sold around 2.5k.

>>3225154
It's better when they don't count bots and background tabs

>>3225154
Those months that you are showing is holoENs honeymoon when they still feel like they are close to each other not to mention that late nov. And early dec is hololives peak

>>3225194
Not that anon, but im really more annoyed at the fact the original poster are calling that singing group 6 nobodies

>>3225144
oh i know that he doesn't care and he's just playing whatever he wants. he likes to switch games in the middle of a stream sometimes, too.

i like things the way they are right now and will continue watching regardless, i'm just getting curious about what affects his views.

>>3225293
Only Kuzuha and Mito are relevant in Nijisanji. I couldn't name a single person in that 6 person "singing" group.

>>3225144
>>3225329
>never cared about numbers
The ultimate cope for fans of a dying chuuba. Is that why he went running back to Apex after the monthly number came out?

>>3225198
I guess every vtuber was using bots then

>>3219343
>bigger audience gives more viewers
How observant. It was always going to be this way because English speakers outnumber Japanese.

>>3225353
And i can only name 1 of them, doesnt change the fact that they actually can sing. To be honest the original merch argument is stupid anyway, nobody is saying merchandise isnt profitable. But holo merch are also always sold out, which is why we love to shit of these arguement

>>3224267
why are ESLs so intimidated by this oni?

>>3225382
so true anon, he's totally over! he'll be homeless by june.

>>3225293
I said random, not nobodies. Members from across the range of popularity, singing skill, nothing overtly obvious to tie them together.

>>3225493
He might coast by comfortably based on what he has already made. However, make no mistake, he will never be a top tier vtuber again that can swing with the heavy hitters in popularity. Slowly fading into irrelevance.

>>3225353
You forgot lize, she mogs EVERY EN not named gura

>>3225476
A large part of ojou (and aqua/watame too) fans are based TW bros who can actively protect their chubas as opposed to EOP fans who always fail at whiteknighting

>>3225582
LITERALLY WHO?!

>>3219343
Botted as fuck. Mori's average views are nowhere near that. The JP holos get nearly triple her average.

>>3225582
Only when she is shilling that chink game Genshin. Otherwise hell no she doesn't.

>>3225606
The viewer retention queen of vtubers.

>>3225696
Only whe mori reveals an outfit, otherwise hell no she doesnt>>3219343

>>3225156
There is no total album sales from this link, the only provided info is the release date of Nisanji Album and Hololive
https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/758858/rank/album/
>Smash the Paint, released March 2020
>Prismatic Color, released October 2020
Hololive
>bouquet, released March 3021
https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/755192/rank/
Your Mori, released April 2021
https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/776500/products/1390615/1/

>>3224849
I'm asking you their sales number and you can only provide screenshot from may 2020.
I want you to provide both Hololive and Nijisanji total sales until today and their release date and you can't provide anything.

>>3219796
>VTuber
ahahahaha pathetic

>>3223783
Perhaps, but then you'd have to extend your argument to the famous/top pioneers across the global entertainment industry in general for your view to remain consistent.

>>3225792
Meant released March 2021

>>3225792
I'm doing the most fair comparison possible. It's 1st week sales vs 1st week sales because Hololive's album has only been out for a single weeks charts. All that adding more weeks on is going to do is out the Nijisanji albums even further ahead. I can if you want though?

>>3225248
weak rrats vs real numbers

>>3225863
Then do it! It's not about who's better but I'm just curious about comparable of valid data.
If you want to numberfagging better then do it properly and show all the metrics.

>>3225634
Also, pretty sure Cover botted the shit out of Ayame as well. Previous outfit reveal streams didn't get this amount views. Something isn't right here.

>>3225874
Reality is they reclined hard, look at the recent months when Ens number keeps diving but jp doesnt

>>3219343
Why does SEAniggers are like that ?

>>3225905
>numbers I don’t like must be botted
Holy shit the cope

>>3225863
Even better if you bring iTunes sales

>>3225942
>dude it's not botted at all even though other outfit reveal streams didn't even get 1/4 of those views

>>3225905
>previous outfit reveal streams didn't get this amount views
Nene: https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/VMLjEUYLSy0
Coco: https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/HBkJE0ZR35I

>>3225931
I dont deny that they are declining slowly, but every EN dropped nearly 50% in live views at December, to max 5% on following months, sometimes even growing from the past month

>>3226073
Shion dropped 50% too, whats you proint?

>>3226073
even the jps dropped in december

>>3226021
How come VNUMA's max live viewer numbers are less than HoloStats?
Nene: https://holo.poi.cat/stream/VMLjEUYLSy0
Coco: https://holo.poi.cat/stream/HBkJE0ZR35I

>>3226146
Different sampling rates. One of them could've missed the peak.

>>3221639
>implying you'd even be lucky enough to get picked

>>3226093
my point is that every one of them dropped because youtube implemented a new "feature" that hides a portion of live viewers.
Also Shion you are deliberately picking the most extreme case of all jps... most of the others fell 10 to 25%, while some like, Aqua and Marine, not even that.

>>3226021
I said "previous" as in before 2021. Noel's got only 15-20k for example. And Pekora's got nowhere near that amount even though she's the most viewed holo.

>>3226146
Vnuma doesnt update the live numbers from youtube as ofter, so it misses the peaks by more

>>3226202
Pekora got 90k on a supposed april fools prank, what are you smoking?
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/oLXuDdZLqoY
but i cant remember any dates from prior to 2021, so provide the link yourself

>>3219343
Wasn't that how Japan got rich in the first place? Selling ars and electronics to Europe and America so all the western money flowed into their country. It's nothing new for Japanese to focus on the foreign market.

>>3226278
Not showing it here. All the others match those numbers though.

>>3226185
Maybe their viewers conveniently increased during youtubes new feature, who knows. Not everyone has the same growth

>>3226473
You didnt give the link, but are you sure those arent just the numbers from last month though? 1st april goes beyond that

>>3225796
based, fakeass anime girlfriend streamers knocked down a peg

>>3225905
the nijicope is real

where's the numbers where holomerch sold out and made more money

>>3226473
of course not faggot, playboard stats only reflects the last 15 videos of every channel

>>3225903
This is all going to be the most complete data I can get from the public charts. They may well continue to sell more in small amounts after they fall off those but you need a proper paid subscription to see that stuff and its going to be fairly negligible overall. See this post for comparison >>2927362 it seems to include those small numbers of extra small amounts but is unsourced.

https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/w/2021-05-03/
Bouquet - 14,637
https://web.archive.org/web/20210407023838/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/w/2021-04-12/p/5/
https://web.archive.org/web/20210414022152/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/w/2021-04-19/p/4/
Your Mori - 2,551
https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/m/2020-10/p/2/
https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/m/2020-11/p/5/
Prismatic Colors - 32,370
https://web.archive.org/web/20200408164131/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/m/2020-03/p/2/
https://web.archive.org/web/20201006093446/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/m/2020-04/p/4/
https://web.archive.org/web/20200517193054/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/w/2020-05-18/p/4/
https://web.archive.org/web/20200520182717/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/w/2020-05-25/p/4/
Smash the Paint - 26,513
https://web.archive.org/web/20200610040910/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/m/2020-05/
Synaesthesia - 19,803

>>3225796
You don't want Vtubers to be like him

>>3220964
Understandable. Their male streamers are just on another league compared to Holostar in both quality and appearance, while their female streamers are just generic girl designs with stiff face tracking.

>>3226202
It's golden week you tard. Do you even watch streams?

>>3226970
Give me a rundown

>>3222820
Honestly Ina has a more stable viewbase than Miko, but Miko simply gets more live viewers generally, but has wider variation, she can sometimes lose (rare) and get like 7.5k viewers while Ina would get 10k. Though Miko mostly goes about 10k and has 15-16k viewers. Don't really think they could be considered similar.

>>3226989
I'd watch Matsuri's golden streams.

>>3222587
Numberchama, JP is more than just Pekora, Coco, Marine,... while in EN there're literally only 5 girls living in different time zones. Even Ina can pull higher numbers than many JP.

>>3226970
Why would you not want vtubers to be successful?

>>3226957
>oricon
why dont you search up the more relevant sites?

>>3220216
mine did too...

>>3223510
Seriously what's the deal with Ayame? She's just a purely unexplainable monster. Is it just because she's cute and muh giggles?

>>3227166

>>3226957
>>3227166
>>3227212
one of you is talking about physicals, the other is talking about digtals. if you're going to compare it needs to be the same format.

>>3227331
physicals sell nothing compared to digitals.

>>3227166
Here is the digital for Your Mori in Japan if you are interested
https://web.archive.org/web/20210407061925/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dia/w/2021-04-12/p/2/
https://web.archive.org/web/20210415110247/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dia/w/2021-04-19/
https://web.archive.org/web/20210422035509/https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dia/w/2021-04-26/p/2/
1,391 downloads over three weeks. It really doesn't take much to get to the top of an itunes chart for albums.

>>3227331
The issue with comparing physical and digital using oricon is that it only counts sales made in Japan or shipped to Japanese addresses. Hololive numbers will never be accurate because of how many of their fans are from overseas.

>>3227017
https://youtu.be/WfHJU2Sbnbs

>>3227379
>in Japan

>>3227356
Does it really though?
https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dia/w/2021-05-03/
Bouquet sold 780 through digital first week compared to 14k by physical and Mori sold less through digital than physical too.

>>3225796
Get off my game, and the number I give mogs your number

https://holo.poi.cat/stream/_SWjDWUBDio

>>3227651
You just barely managed to beat his average stream viewership with an ANNIVERSARY STREAM.

>>3225796
I’d rather he never stop streaming or get banned again. The days he was banned were hell for pretty much every other twitch streamer.

>>3227677
You gave a number, I beat it. I win

>>3227651
based eliteposter

>>3227677
>ANNIVERSARY STREAM
Technically it was also a comeback stream that was hyped up for months and featured every single JP Ayame... in it

>>3225634
>>3225905
>>3226202
you mean this previous outfits reveal?

I'm always thankful that my oshi doesn't pull huge numbers so she doesn't get discussed by numberfags.

>>3228089
her day will come anon

>>3219343
Calliope seem to be simped the most out of EN-branch by JP talent and A-chan themselves

>>3227208
Doesn't she have a shitton of antis? We used to think she's a prostitute and a whore for the longest time + she doesn't even stream that much

>>3223445
Also they just thrown away they lowest performing IN (briefly rebranded to EN) branch Noor couldn't brake 60K subs after more than a year and she was their biggest talent also funny how their biggest boost was graduation:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6oW4FXETgEGOFTxWmI2h5Q

>>3223912
I've heard about the drama afaik it's not exactly that big of a news that he lives with niji Ayame whatever her name is it was speculated since years.
Anyway it's possible that youtube is just fucking chuubas again did they ever resolved that glitch from december?

>>3228892
The current theory about the December thing is that Youtube redefined what a "live viewer" is without telling anyone (their official stance is that they removed bots).
Main thing speculated on is that adblock users and those using 3rd party apps (like holotools) don't get counted as a live viewer.

>>3221670
They can carve themselves a fujo niche with some dudes RIP Holostars

>>3228892
anons bring up the girlfriend yab to troll, i think it's really just the change of games that's affecting his stats.

his gay4pay lover switched to valo as well and also lost viewers in april compared to march. it's just more noticeable for vamp because he had way more viewers to begin with. he still gets similar numbers as before when he actually plays apex.

>>3228892
>did they ever resolve that glitch from december
no, they call it an official feature now

>>3227208
Zatsudan superchat readings is the key, she's great at this plus she's talented in anything a vtuber needs to be talented in

>>3219343
>relevant
Say that again

Anyone remember what Gura's top numbers for Debut and Karaoke were? Hiyoko says 79k and 67k, but I remember them both being above 100k at least... am I on some good stuff?

>>3229753
Wtf why is Risu so low when she has more talent than 90% of the names on this list?

>>3222681
>>3220237
>>3220799
So there are 20 top jp holo above mori and kiara?

>>3230005
Wrong market

>>3219343
Not fair, don't compare the most successful EN with one of the bottom-tier JP failure

>>3219343
>>135k
It's almost as if there are more english speaking people in the world or something. Weird, uh.

>>3223911
As a spic, I respectfully agree with you.

>>3224129
At this point I don't know if you guys are just trolling or are legit idiots. Calli speak English, which is the universal language, therefore she can reach to a larger number of people than someone who only speaks Japanese.

>>3230338
Watame definitely isn't bottom tier, and hasn't been for a while. She's a solid mid tier