/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

did you just accidentally a word there or are you having a stroke
or both (please be both)

>>32161950
Because unicorns do not have the market power that they think they do. By any measurable statistics inter gender collabs have no effect on subscriber growth or superchat amount for both holos and nijis in EN. If you are a holo why wouldn't you collab with whoever you want? It statistically will have no bearing on your career or growth as a channel. The only real thing you gain to lose is a handful of very loud people on twitter/ your comment section, and while these people are viewers statistically speaking there are many more viewers happy to send money that aren't going to chimp out in the comment section. To be honest that's why I think Cover was late to the EN male party, they were probably watching niji do it first and monitoring their talents to see if it was economically viable. Turns out it is. So sorry anon, you just aint paying the bills anymore.

>>32161950
It is a ritual of kabbalistic humilliation, to remind you that you are worthless; they did very same thing to MLP

>>32164618
>MLP
What

>>32161950
I was just talking to Gura last night about people like you

Why are you like this?

>>32161950
They've been mind tricked by twitter into thinking that unicorns are a minority

>>32161950
Omega's long term plan of turning holoEN into nijiEN for whatever dumb reason

>>32161950
For the same reason they all collectively pretend people care about the pseudo-science of ASMR and aren't just masturbating to it.

>>32164618
if you watch a show for toddlers then yeah, you are worthless

>>32161950

Get a clue, nobody wants your tiny chiwanese dick, incel.

>>32161950
>Do these bitches seriously a niche with a major demographic
Huh?

>>32164929
You are. Show me your last 20 superchats. They better not be ARS either, faggot

>>32165166
>>32163978
Fuck off and kill yourself cuckbeats. You don't belong here.

>>32164971

>>32161950
Their whores
HoloEN was a mistake
Unicorns don’t exist

>>32165408
Thei'r *

>>>>32165408
you are a mistake and nobody talks about that

Here are the facts.

Omegatranny is shitting himself so hard at NijiEN gaining momentum that he thinks turning HoloEN into NijiEN will successfully kill them off, as it is his belief that HoloEN is inherently the superior product.

He has forgot that none of the people he hires actually fucking stream, so they lose to NijiEN on that front, and they are not hired with co-ed chemistry in mind, so they lose that too. What Omega is doing is kamikaze-ing the entire EN brand in a last ditch attempt to re-monopolise the west. It will fail. When HoloEN become 'just more streamers' then NijiEN and even smaller companies will eat them alive because they aren't good at streaming.

>>32165659
>doesn't know how to greentext
Leave, you don't belong here cuck.

Kronii basically said that EN management told her to ignore people complaining about homo collabs

>>32161950

>>32165670
Nobody is forcing the girls to collab with Tempus.

>>32165670
>Here are the facts.

>*shit I made up*

>>32165704
Retrurn to the womb you don't belong here monkey

>>32165880
Thanks for the insight Holo manager

>>32165762
So those people DO exist.

>>32165880
No one forces mixed gender collabs anywhere.

Tempus exists. That is all. Everything else comes naturally. Half of HoloEN have already fought their fans over the right to collab with men.

>>32165762
Weird since Kronii has a penis himself

>>32164971
The only asmr I have busted one to was Finana's finance ASMR stream, Millie's is for relaxation. Fauna shit at it so I don't even bother.

>>32161950
>Because unicorns do not have the market power that they think they do.
Whore numbers vs Idol numbers

>>32166157
>more subs on the whore side
naruhodo

>>32161950
If everything was perfect, life would be really sad for a poor threadreader like me

I honestly don't understand. They don't win anything collabing and have a lot to lose. The easiest decision is just not collabing at all, but some of them desperately want to for some reason.

>>32161950
No proofs, so consider it a fairy tale.
Was an employee of a collapsed small vtuber company. The following info is from our insider, so at best you get twice overcooked shit. The Rushia incident has caused many Japanese company leaders to rethink their target audience and approach to GFE. Now it is considered a risky asset, which, with an increase in profits by 10-15%, brings unacceptable risks for Japanese business. HomoEN was released earlier than usual, without a 5th member (a mage in their party with a finished model) to force holoEN to purge unwanted fans. In fact, EN is now a testbed before the purge in JP.

Ame had around 9-10k viewers right now before moving to superchat reading, sound like they're okay with it

>>32166241
Subs are the most worthless metric.
Views and superchats bring in the money.

>>32165762
>EN management
It's over. Abandon this sinking ship while you still can.

>>32166545

>>32166545
Anon please take the meds the voices are talking with you again

God I hate virgins who think their admiration for a 2D anime girl gives them any say in who they speak with.
Anyway if I ever see my oshi collabing with a male I'll rebuild the twin towers and fly a plane into it.

>>32166588
Ame, a holo that hasn't collabed with the homos, just peaked a buff stream at 8.8k? Yeah, that's totally relevant evidence anon...

>>32166157
well it seems like whore numbers align pretty closely with projected growth and averages before and after male collabs. But hey, if you want to count $7,303 for a week of earnings a failure go right ahead.

>>32167064
Mori cornered the market for cuck fetishists. What's your point?

>>32161950
I'm not a unicorn and you can fuck off with this. If they want to collab with male good if they don't that's okay too it's their choice to make not ours.

>>32167064
>Graph of subs
>Graph of total views
>Somehow thinks these are graphs of projected growth and averages
Wtf are you talking about? If you want to make up stupid shit about numbers, go to /#/ and get laughed at.

>>32163978
But they have their oshis attention from the money they recieve from them why you think gura hasn't mentioned them? She loves her pay pigs too much to compromise.

>>32167327
Go back.

>>32167500
No you go back. Fuck unicorns and their menhera seething issues but fuck you too for doing exactly what they're doing. Like I said if she wants to collab good and if they don't that's okay is the vtubber choice at the end of the day. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

>>32166157
>comparing a 3d live concert with multiple talents to a last minute announced event on Mori's channel

Oggey

>>32163978
gura will collab with tempus, 2 more weeks

>>32167064
>Total Subscribers
>Total Video Views
What matters is growth retard
By your graphs male collabs just made things worse

>>32161950
they need help and the only ay to help them is take away the problem

Imagine caring about something this fucking insipid. You people are without hope.

So will someone get some real /numbers/ in here? I'm way too lazy to snoop around

>>32166545
>10-15%
Complete bullshit. That's why you're fired with that shitty calculation

>>32161950
They didn't have high enough of a power level. That's entirely subjective, however, because I imagine they're suitable for the EN environment (lol). Well, even in the EN sphere are going to be some non-retards, or should I say, non-normalfags

>>32161950
I don’t watch whores
HoloEN is a embarrassment

>>32167406
And use their sights that are a complete and utter load of bullshit that dont even tell you how many views Susan culled on the day, no thank you, if you believe their numbers are right then you are a newfag

>>32165659
go back newfag

>>32161950
Please tell me, seriously: why do YOU like men so much?

>>32168124
Based

>>32168320
Your family say the same thing about you, but to the world sadeness you don't neck yourself

>>32161950
For every chuuba you don't watch because of >collabing with males, I'm going to watch 3. Stay mad.

>>32165670
Based

>>32166241
>dead subs
this is worthless

>>32161950
HoloEN was failing before the males showed up. Now at least we have streams everyday.

Can't wait for the Gura Tempus collab in two weeks. The chumbud meltdown will be hilarious

>>32168160
/#/ isn't real, /#/ can't hurt you.

>>32166157
The Whore has more subs. The biggest JP member is Marine as well, who is also the horniest.

Need an EN corpo that does actual idols, not this half ass holo omega troon bullshit. There is a market for it.

>>32161950
I'm sure COVER has considered the possible consequences, anon. They ain't stupid to play with their money

>>32161950
I haven't been paying attention, who collabed with who?

>>32170684
Gura will collab with tempus males. They will make her laugh and you will watch while clutching your tiny sissy cockcaged dick.

It's only a matter of time for Gura
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLp21rDQNFM

>>32170787
ogey, now seriously who collabed?

>>32170787
nice reflection

>>32170890
Kronii and the blue guy
She immediately turned 180 degrees on them tho

>>32161950
Cover of Florida rep here.

The main reason we are doing this is to shake loose the highly addicted types who tend to cause legal problems. It spirals like this:
>Superchat a lot thinking it makes you matter
>Your favorite does something you do not like
>A hired lawyer has a wide array of topics and bullet points to pick from to get your money back
>They do
We are talking thousands of dollars a year by a single person, not you sending 5 bucks a year trying to get Korone to talk about Mike Tyson.

It is really mostly to get rid of those easily affable types

>>32171089
kek what a bitch

>>32161950
>Major
While it might be true that lonely males made up majority of the fanbase, you are grossly overestimating how much most fans would take this as an issue.
The "it's not ok with me therefore everyone else must not be ok with it" is the true mental illness here.

>>32171118
staggeringly hilarious if true, sadly it's not

>>32170858
Very good bastard, appealing to PL to prove a point that is stupid since start
Now I understand why your family don't call you, only in special days

>>32171161
While I don't even agree with you, I noticed during my time playing WoW that a majority can cheer a decision that directly harms their enjoyment

>>32171120
>kek what a bitch
Why?
If Kronies didn't like the collab then she's doing a good thing. She's an entertainer first and foremost.

>>32168255
But this anon is even approximately right.

Streamer earnings on YouTube (all incoming money from the channel and activities, not the earnings of a person on the screen):
- 20% is money from advertising and youtube premium cut.
- 30% membership.
- 20% sponsors.
- 20% merch.
- 10% super chats and paid comments.

For GFE actresses, unicorns are 30-50% of the audience, for others it is about 10%.

Unicorns stand out significantly in the super chat space, averaging 40% more money than normals.
In the area of merchandise and membership, they only bring in 5% more money than the same number of normal people.
But the maintenance of a large number of unicorns and its audience requires high caution - one mistake and this destroys earnings from other categories: sponsors refuse ties with a scandalous asset, the actor's mood drops and this spoils the viewability of normies, etc.

It is better for a company to have a stable, albeit less profitable, asset.

>>32161950
As a lonely mentally ill male, I want more male collabs, because it means I have a chance not only in, "she's okay with males" sense, but in, I can actually join the company and talk to her sense as well. I don't want lesbians, I want lonely hags I can groom. If I lose out to the autismals that get in before me I'll move on to the next target.

And I have trouble sitting through girls streams, but the guys hold my interest better.

>>32171508
why do you even waste all this effort typing this bullshit

nobody is going to read it or ever believe you and give you 10 seconds to type answers (like mine)

>>32161950
"Major demographic" is the loudest on four channel dot org, but ultimately makes up a tiny percentage.
Unicorn hunters are typically poorfags who feel like they're owed something because they dump a sub or a superchat here and there just so they can hear a girl say their name.
Those kind of people are the ones who spend excessive effort on "research" into their private lives and are the reason they have to worry about spoons being too shiny on handcam streams.

If I were a streamer who wasn't specifically going for GFE (in which case, you reap what you sow), I'd have zero fucks to give about what those people think.

>>32171540

>but the guys hold my interest better.

Pretty much. Watch the girls for cute, watch literally anyone else for actual entertainment.

Parasocials need to learn to stop getting emotionally attached to mocap puppets when there's a limitless supply of perfectly good waifus out there, it's a losing proposition. Just jerk off to pixiv art of the vtubers you follow and have an ACTUAL fictional waifu who can't ever disappoint you.

>>32171750
Does it matter, anon?

>>32171868
Well, no. You have a point

>>32161950
Why don't you get a clue that you will never date them, you don't own them, and even if they do collab with them, they aren't fucking them?

>>32170577
You mean Cover is going to crackdown on EN and tell them to fuck off with their bullshit? Good.

>>32171938
Why don't you get a clue a people are in it for the escapism?
They don't want to get reminded they're failures at life, hence the appeal behind the virtual avatar.

Besides that, it depends on how they approach this. Nobody would start going schizo when Bae collabs with a male or even confesses her love to one of them or whatever

>>32172090
>escapism
>through unhealthy parasocialing
This is not a solution, it's dragging out the problem.

>>32163978
>By any measurable statistics inter gender collabs have no effect
stopped reading here since the most parasocial chuubas make easily the most money. You CAN make the same money other ways if you are good, but thinking there is an easier and more profitable way is completely retarded.

>>32163978
bro you are reaching so hard it is way too early to tell if theres any impact, how can you be so deep down the holohole you dont see how ridiculous you sound... you also have no fucking clue what metrics actually matter if you think they give a shit about subscriber numbers lol, its view ratio within time windows which en is already absolute garbage at. That is literally the most important stat you can show to sponsors and potential partners...also you cant seriously make the claim that its economically viable. 6 months a year out...thats when you will really see if it worked.

>>32172212

Not the one you're replying to anon but the thing is they don't want a solution - by and large, they've already given up and think that it's either impossible to solve or the effort required is so monumental it's just not worth it. Same mindset as a morbidly obeast refusing to even consider losing weight and soothing themselves with extra cheeseburgers.

>>32171938
absolutely dreamless post

I wonder if schizos like this know female vtubers are actually humans controlling the 2D avatar.

>>32161950
Whores can’t help being whores
So I never watched them

>dame ningen privileges

Do these unicorns not understand that most the vtubers they watch want them to be better people? If you want to call it "giving up" then end yourself now if you have the balls for it.

You still have a chance and you're willingly letting yourselves become mentally ill.

>>32161950
Wow, Japanese fans are vocal about the new collab and they are not happy. They're discontented with the way Altare is getting close to their oshis and the whole gender mixing. I guess they were holding out for an unspoken collab ban. There's even a petition that's garnered thousands of signatures to keep Tempus separate from from the rest of Hololive. Obviously that won't happen but it shows how unhappy they are.

>>32173926
it's funny how the counter-petition proposing that everyone who signed the collab ban petition be declared mentally unfit and be institutionalized got about 20x the number of signatures

>>32173574

>Long time member sends a heartfelt supa about how his oshi gave him the motivation to turn his life around
>Started eating healthier, exercising, put himself out there to try and make friends, got a better job that didn't make him want to rope
>Lots of stumbling blocks and failures but kept at it every day
>Ends by talking about how much happier he is now and that he might be too busy to watch as often as before, but will still always be one of her biggest fans
>Chuuba starts tearing up and says she's so proud

NGL this would be kino

>>32161950
They won't change until their CCV drops.

>>32172090
I can't tell if this is shit bait, or you're just mentally ill.

Is the doctor out today because so many faggots here have not taken their meds yet

>>32161950
Just take the vshojo pill, having BFs is OK

>>32171758
Shut the fuck up faggot you brain retard normies aren't watching this shit

>>32173926
Got a source before I say you just dreamt of this?

>>32172218
There’s only one thing that would cause corporations to skip out on easy profits. It’s called “liability”.

>>32174965
If I am going to choose a whore I might as well get the gigawhore who got railed in Canada

>>32163978
This is verifiably false, some of the nijien girls had better numbers pre-luxiem, like rosemi.
After she started collabing with men, her unicorns started dying out.

You just don't realize that there are a lot of women that want unicorn money, if one woman fucks up, there will be another corpo and 10+ indies that will swoop in to snatch them up.

>>32165670
Honestly we should probably be writing complaints about loserbait to covercorp that he's forcing collabs that are counter to the idol group we were financially supporting.

>>32166241
Anon, mori has the most dead subs in hololive by CCV percentage

>>32161950
It's their fault for pandering to those mentally ill men in the first place

>>32175344
Yeah, me

All we want is for HoloEN to be like HoloJP, that's all. Why do people act like this is some kind of unreasonable, oppressive demand? Isn't that the whole point of this branch existing in the first place? Hololive became popular in the west through translated clips of cute girls being cute by themselves or with each other or saying nigger, thus creating the demand to have that kind of content in English. That's all HoloEN ever had to be. Trying to be like Nijisanji instead is a retarded move, they're going against their own branding and established audience in an attempt to take a bite of another audience that's already getting what it wants somewhere else.

>>32161950
Vtubers are no longer for you Chuds.

>>32167064
Anon, your data proves you wrong you're just looking at it like a retard

>>32163978
This

>>32163978
>The highest subbed EN in the company hasn't even acknowledged HoloStars existence
>The lowest subbed EN in the company is the one that interacts with Stars the most
Did you even think this argument through retard?

>>32171508
Anon please post this on /#/ I want to see how they laught at you for pulling numbers out your ass

>>32176234
Anon, if you used critical thinking for a second you'd realize most of what he said is false.

1. Covercorp rakes in more money on every metric than anycolor, both in combined superchats, merch sales, advertising collabs and paid events.
2. Covercorp did this by switching to an idol company and directly going after unicorns.
3. The loudest people on twitter aren't unicorns, they are gray names and artists who try to leech off the brand in order to drive traffic and engagement to their social media.
Many dramatubers, anitubers, vtweeters and clipfags just use hololive/nijisanji/vshojo as a way to bait more interactions and grow their brand.

>>32171118
Just simply block them, refuse to do business with them. Businesses are allowed to do that. Are you retarded?

>>32161950
>Holo JP been collabing with men for years
>Holo ID been collabing with men for years
>Holo EN been collabing with men for years
>Suddenly this is a problem because Twitter/Reddit tourists need to get their sweep screencaps on bait threads which are filled with bait/fake responses.

>>32176979
>holojp has been collabing with men for years
>the half dozen jp members that frequently have collabs with men all have some of the lowest CCV in the JP branch

>>32177177

>>32176234
This

>>32176877
NUMBERS faggot show me the Fucking NUMBERS

>>32172993
>dreaming about 2D girls
absolute lack of ambition

>>32177238
then shut the fuck up retard

>>32177399
>Seething over a reaction image.

man that's a long read.
I see...so this is normies otaku versus incels otakus.

>>32171508
No you don't have all the data of your paid customers, you can't figure out who is unicorn and who isn't until the yab happen. People have different account to do various thing to support their waifu. Simply accounting SC revenue is a terrible way to figure out their contribute to the chubba. You can see happy saplings always promote their mommy when they have the chance.
>this destroys earnings from other categories: sponsors refuse ties with a scandalous asset, the actor's mood drops and this spoils the viewability of normies, etc. It is better for a company to have a stable, albeit less profitable, asset.
This is just management refuse to work hard for their talents so they put more restriction on talents. GFE or not is her choice not yours.

>>32177244
Just look at the top 30 youtube superchatted creators for the past year, majority of the spots went to hololive.
For merch sales, hololive has a higher price quality of personalized merch compared to nijisanji and sells them to out of stock limit, whereas most nijisanji merch never runs out of stock due to being cheaper, non-original and mass produced.

The reason why anycolor became a publicly traded company was so they could use investment dollars to overcome some of the deficits that some of their dead branches were causing the company.

>>32166241
>only 0.33% of those subs are watching the stream
what did he mean by this

>>32177238
>>32177530
Anon, just take the L lol

>>32163978
Mori's gonna graduate.

>>32177544
>normie otaku
1. It's normalfag you fucking tourist
2. It's ironic weebs vs idol fans

>>32177530
>>32177238
*viciously rapes your oshi*

>>32176181
deadbeats....its over...

>>32163978
The most superchatted Holo that ever existed catered the hardest to unicorns.

>>32177886
To be fair most of the EN girls have had a decline like this, but with mori the sadder part is her music decline, on Itunes none of her new songs are even remotely close in growth numbers compared to her original EP or your mori

>>32164971
Based as fuck I've been saying that for years.
I don't always fap to it but when I do Its to Fauna
it is def like a drug to have a girl whispering in your ears tho

I think you'll see male collabs more and more until some psychotic unicorn shows up and scares the fuck out of an EN chuuba.

>>32178204
Literally 85% of saplings on her chat are fapping during her ASMR streams

>>32161950

>>32178455
She's gotta know right? Like she's not that dumb with social stuff. She might not know how many quarters make a dollar but she knows everyone wants to fuck her

>>32164971
I agree with what you say, but i think there's a silver lining to it.
Just look at the one time Bae did asmr, all the brat's when in with dick in hand, but by the end of it it had caused the /rep/ening

>>32178559
You have to have an IQ below 100 to be a chuuba for Yagoo.

>>32177954
What's she up to these days?

>>32161950

You want a "pure idol" go watch Kiara's shitty content. She said she won't collab with the guys because her incel base wouldn't like it.

The rest of them are going to play with who they want, when they want. You don't like it, seethe and cope.

>>32179848
Another reason Kiara is based. She never deserved any of the hate she got.

>>32167406
/#/ is biased and retarded.
Listening to them is mental retardation

>>32166503

I don't see how anyone hasn't noticed that the majority of collabs take place so they can talk to each other and ignore chat.

Collab is just an excuse for lazy content.

Don't watch holo or niji.
I just don't get why it's so hard for literally fucking anyone to just provide content without flirting with men or talking about their boyfriend.

My favorite indie has a boyfriend and while she's usually good about keeping it out of the stream periodically people IN THE FUCKING CHAT go out of their way to bring him up every fucking stream.
I dont care who fucks her. I dont want it in my streams.

I watch YouTube videos. And lo and behold. The dumb faggot can't help but introduce his girlfriends into the videos and making every video about them flirting over the topic.

Fuck the fuck off. I can't even read novels without every single fucking one having a shitty half assed romantic subplot.

Not everything needs to have sex and relationships. Just let me enjoy the content for what I picked up the content for. God fucking damnit.

>>32180055
Just bring up a 2view with a sad story, they'll go crazy with their saviourfagging.

>>32180139
Women are viewed as intrinsically sexual by men. As long as it doesn't turn to harassment that's fine.

>>32180128
Nijifags found this out years ago.

>>32171089

Yeah, she shit her bed pretty hard today.

"I don't like being shipped with my coworkers!"

"I'm okay with being shipped with Mumei or Fauna!"

Can't have it both ways bitch, when you're Kronii, you are a character, not a human. No one is shipping John and Mary from accounting, but they ARE going to ship your cartoon avatar ass, ESPECIALLY when you have a history of flirting with other talent and allowing ships. Don't like it? Then stop flirting with the other girls and say that all ships are off the table for you.

>>32171421

There's the thing, she liked the collab just fine, she turned on him when people started shipping her and him. She doesn't like being shipped with the males because she knows it's going to hurt her bottom line so she freaked out and basically attacked him saying "Shipping people with their coworkers is weird" to then go on Twitter an hour or so later and say "I like shipping and fan writing, just do it respectfully and with the consent of both parties"

Last I checked, no one asked her if her and Mumei was fine, or her and Fauna, or her and Shaggy which she rolled with too.

It was just her and Altare ship that she got her panties in a twist over.

>>32180765
She's retarded but completely in the right.
Yuri ships are good.
Het ships are bad.

End of story. She can't just say white men are the worst thing in existence without backlash though so she has to imply it.

>>32172218

Japanese ones maybe, but English speaking chuubas are just fat, basement dwelling losers who MIGHT be able to hold a job down at McDonalds are Walmart as a bottom rung employee because they don't have the social skills to advance any further than that.

>>32176281

You're really that retarded eh?

Calli was literally the first collab for most of them and she's the #2 most subbed. Fauna hasn't acknowledged them either, she's #2 on the least subbed.

Your anecdotal argument means nothing.

>>32163978
This.

>>32163978
So what you're saying is that unicorns don't matter, and we can withhold support from vtubers guilt free without anyone having the right to publicly shame us due to the fact that we're an irrelevant market segment anyway. Cool, glad we agree.

>>32182265
No one cares what you do lol. The worst thing you do is harass people, thats your main "influence", a solidly negative one on the hobby.

>>32177577

Past month, only 8/30 are Cover, 11/30 are from other branches. The top 3 are from Niji.

Past year, 1-9 are all Cover, with 7 more for a total of 16/30 being Cover. 5/30 are from other companies.

>>32178043

She was always a shit singer, but is even more so now that her contract is basically forcing her to pump out even more mediocre mainstream garbage all for them to make a buck off her.

>>32180016
If Kiara wasn't a Gen 1 EN, she'd be down there near Sana numbers. She only got as big as she did because of Covid, Gen 1 status, and mooching off the other girls, especially Mori.

>>32180139
Western women have no concept of self control

>>32182622
Kiara streams alot and she has actual back problems.

Anyone have that screenshot showing how Fubuki loses 2/3rds of her ccv whenever she does a male collab

>>32179848
Based Kiara keeping tradition and not being some women's suffrage whore

>>32179848
based CHKN
kekeriki

>>32180139

Found the Shylily fan. She only became popular because she dipped into lewdness, so people talking about her getting railed comes with the territory.

>>32165233
Only faggots here are the retarded unicorns that think that throwing money to imaginary women on the internet gives them any right over what they do, your savings are finite and a grain of sand on the beach compared to all the normies that come and go and pay a few bucks for them to read their dumbass unfunny joke, do everyone a favor and buy a gun and shoot yourself with your money instead faggot.

>>32161950
Your oshi is probably happy to filter out idiots like you.

>>32167989
I reckon 3-4 months she will let things settle down and then start world war III

>>32166503
They literally have nothing to lose other then some scizos i would say it's good riddance

>>32186960
take your cope back to twitter. idolfags and unicorns run this shit.

>>32174261
I'm pretty sure I've heard some of these happening already.

>>32177177
how are the numbers relevant to the topic?

>>32188968
It means nobody wants male collabs and anyone who says otherwise is a shitposter or a normalfag tourist.

>>32161950
en management? the same that ran a background check and still let orcschizo and that gacha slave who couldn't do her holo job without genshin perm in? the same that didn't see why kiara got blacklisted in the idol industry and still accepted this whore? the same that posted "what are your pronouns?" on twitter

lmao don't act like they have any brain cells dude

>>32161950
Do you realize that there are males in chat also? Not just you? You are already used to tuber male interaction. Why are you like this? It’s not a problem…

Fucking loud minority morons, objectively only a mere quarter of the hololive fanbase are actually interested in Holostars as seen with debut numbers. True, most of them aren't unicorns who will sperg out but will instead simply not watch collabs involving males or move on to the girls who won't collab with them.

On the bright side, hopefully the rest of holoEN will see the resulting drama and turn down and avoid all future collabs with the homos. CGDCTchads, chumbuds, hoomans and saplings the biggest winners

>>32161950
>Do these bitches seriously a niche with a major demographic of lonely mentally ill men are gonna be okay with this?
You vastly overestimate the percentage of hardcore fans inside their fanbases. As long as they straight up not alienate normalfags, their numbers will be always fine. Merely collabing with males won't make a difference.
Some anon brought up Rosemi in this thread and while that's true, she broke the number one showbiz rule: she displaced her fans in the importance ranking from the first place. Only showing up in collabs, barely doing solo content and being more interested in her collab partners than her fans made them realise they are not important to her and as such they left for greener pastures.

>>32166594
and the whores are making the most, what's your point

>>32171958
keep dreaming unicorn

>>32163978
kill yourself numbersfaggot

>>32192229
Seethe kem, start paying your oshi $10,000 every stream if you want to matter kekekekke

>>32163978
>all these seething unicornfags handing over (You)s
fucking based

>>32191876
>>32175565
Meanwhile in the real world, Rosemi's numbers and viewership are up for the month, after a creative outfit reveal.
/vt/ shitposting ended up being meaningless once again.

>>32179848
BASED kiara.
Kill yourself though faggot.

>>32180310
No. harassment is GOOD anon.

Watching the end of Summer yesterday made me realize just how atrocious HoloEN is compared to the genuine appeal and purity of idols. I can't understand Japanese but watching the dancing, hearing them sing and just bring adorable eclipses this whole shitshow HoloEN has become, with some notable exceptions.

>>32192420
there's fairly few of them even responding as there's supposed to be 95 posters here

Face it unicornfags, you guys are the minority in the hobby. Go to some 2view instead.

>>32192657
That doesn't contradict what I said. Rosemi put more effort into her own image and made sure to appreciate her fans and as such people came back to her, or she found new fans. However, you can't deny that when she phoned it in, her viewership decreased.

>>32192938
>>32193130
these two are related, holoEN girls feel like they're coasting with minimal effort and doing the whole vtuber part ironically and that's why it feels off. I don't fucking care if they're playing a character or not but ffs don't do something like this when we can feel the person behind the avatar is trying to not cringe

>>32193568
HoloEN is too big to be affected by effort, they can afford to coast without further repercussions. Their numbersmainly depend on how many normalfags they can attract at the moment. A meme growing popular matters more in their viewcount than putting in effort or not.

>>32174261
I've heard one like that and, yes, the chuuba did tear up.

>>32176118
>JP never collabs with males

Watch streams.

>>32177577
Nigga holo is small time compared to actual big name strimmers

>>32179848
She literally asked her fanbase about male collabs and they were okay with it. Her reason is "i dont care about male idols", thats it.

>>32167989
She'll collab with Magni first.

>>32161950
Seriously why can't you mentally retarded unicorns improve yourselves instead of complaining about why anime girls are having platonic collabs with anime boys? Do these one-horned equestrians always have to cry like spoiled brats even though they are less than 1% of the demographic?

>>32197318
Nigger

>I will not feature men on my channel but I will still collab with them if they request me.

Kronii thinking she knows the mind of the unicorn
their agenda is not to have her feature men on her channel but to prohibit her from collabing with males altogether. Stupid bitch should've put these stupid fucks and their nonsensical one sided cuck fantasies on their place because the next time she collabs with them it will go down exactly like this.
>she went to get dick at altare channel now? Cheating on us again the whore im pulling my membership im unsubscribing again Kronii waaaah why did you lied to us we told you no boys you said you understood us the betrayal waah.

Fucking subhuman pieces of shit unwashed maidenless weirdos.

>>32163978
Who you think is buying and spending hundreds of dollars on over priced garbage merchandise?

Reminder that you failed to gatekeep and now your hobby is being invaded by tasteless normies who lack any respect for what came before. You will spend the rest of the threads arguing with retards advocating for shit content, some of whom are unironically cucks.
You will never have your EN vtuber idol, you will only get vapid whores and twitch thots with anime avatars. The sooner you realize this the better.