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You forgot to put Sora in God

>>32133135
Not bad

>>32133135
I still don't understand what mumei's powers are supposed to be

>>32133327
Other than a psychopath, she can probably create anything that was made by civilization and use it as a weapon.

This tier list sucks.thats what I think of it.

>>32133135
Haachama’s chuuni stuff isn’t recognized by cover and therefore non-canon

>There's a holo known as god
>Not listed as a god

Stopped reading there, better luck next time.

>>32133327
Unironically My headcannon is that mumei not only represents current civilization she also represents its future potential growing to a point that a advanced enough civilization can take on the likes of god like beings

>>32133327
rune magic, because how else would she create Friend, and there's also that book of conceptual weaknesses of ENs in her debut

>>32133135
Buh buh buh bah but but Matsuri is god!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>32133443
>Probably
If we're going by headcanons then Sakamata's huge gigantic ass could flatten the entire Earth

>>32133135
Sora's true powerscale should be above chammers, she's THE main protagonist and it comes with the unbreakable plot armour.

I feel like Nene should be at least a tier higher just for the amount of Shonen Jump Plot Armor Autism she can invoke.

>>32133135
>laplus
>cosmic
Why?

>>32133135
what even is IRyS?

I didn’t know that IRyS even had character lore, let alone that it’s supposedly deity level. What’s her power anyway?

>>32133845
I’d put her below Sora but above Haachama. Sora is the MC and thus has infinite plot armor (which would also extend to her friend A-chan) but Nene is like the comic side character that can never truly be harmed and could slapstick sequence their way to killing a god.

Aqua is virtual too.

>>32133538
But Ina is just a priestess, there is no cannon power level for her either

>>32133135
Botan could beat the fuck out of everyone else in a 1v1 fight. It is beyond certain, not even possible to dispute

Isn't mumei just normal human power level

>>32134308
That’s Korone nigga

>>32133630
I have always considered Bae the most powerful in council but Mumei the wildcard with untapped potential

>>32133941
Yes she's atleast god level

>>32133135
Ame has both the ability to time travel and protagonist plot armor. She can challenge anything short of omnipotence.

>>32134125
She's like the Mihawk of hololive
Is the strongest character but just want a peaceful life

>>32133135
Irys looks so fucking ugly holy shit

>>32133135
So I can only rape 14 members, huh?

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>>32133621
Sora and Matsuri being god is not canon to her lore. It's just a meme.


>>32133538
It's not chuuni when she literally makes a Godchaama debut video. It's definitely part of her lore and she has been doing it for years now.

>>32133472
Post your own then

>>32134139
Oh, I thought she was just a maid. Thanks friend.

>>32134308
IRL all of them would fall in the same tier on that list, human level.

>>32133997
She's the personification of Hope, a nephilim, existed before the universe and can do stuff like this https://youtu.be/rDyZ3VgjcCE?t=59
casually.

>>32134883
Marine will sue you if you try to rape her

for ID i guess you can up Iofi by 1 because she is alien and not human

Without Coco the rest wouldn't even exist, so she should have the top spot.

If Korone & Okayu are super human level shouldn't Pekora & Watame also be up there? They'd get their respective animal traits applied to a human. Pekora kicking someone's chest in and Watame ramming people.

>>32133647
>Sakamata's huge gigantic ass could flatten the entire Earth
What a missed opportunity for a twerk off between Sakamata and Sana.

>>32133941
Good question, she may be an alien but she is just an alien warlord at best. That and her power is all nerfed due to those shackles.

>>32134367
Her power level is essentially anything humanity is capable of which in the far future could grow to the extend of conquering entire galaxies.

>>32133135
Class names are misleading but good ranking

Sana belongs with the CN bugs
>started a bili

>>32133943
Nephilim, half angel, and half demon. Not really a god but just a minor divine being at best.

>>32133135
Noel, Iroha, RBC, and Reine aren't magical.

>>32135272
So are you saying that she can tap into the Warhammer 40k universe?

>>32135333
Nips don't even know what a nephilim is. Should be half demon, half human if they wanted to be accurate.

>>32133443
weapon from any timeline? In the past and the future?

>>32134971
I thought about it but ultimately decided against it because they're prey animals. But it wouldn't be too far fetched to put them higher.

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>>32135386
I struggled a bit with the tier names, if you can think of better ones, let me know.

>>32133135
I think with today's subtle showing, cover definitely recognizes haachama's schizophrenia therefore anything that is related to it is pretty much canon
but I think I'd bump fubuki, lamy, korone and lui maybe to magic since they all have magical powers of sort, and pekora to super human

Hmmm Polka's codependence has reached the level where she can fuse with her fans to become stronger, does this change anything for her?

Pink Rushia was the strongest JP (confirmed by Noel) before gen 5 but I don't think anyone in gen 5 (or 6) matches her still

>>32135460
Half fallen angel half human.

>>32135520
Well she is supposedly all of human ingenuity and potential so probably

>>32135772
Her feats in that video would probably place her in the magic tier but they seem to be virtual only.

>>32133135
>Mori
>Planetary

>>32133135
Aren't the Gamers supposed to be gods as well?

>>32137118
Not really Mio just a wolf girl, Okayu is just a cat, Fubuki is probably a mystical fox and Korone. I mean she can punch like a god at least.

>>32133941
Without shackles she has some crazy powers and is stated to be a pretty much omniscient genius.

>>32135386
About Reine:
>She was studying magic at the Magic Academy, but she got involved in an accident and she was transferred to the human world.

Bae, Irys and Mori are over-rated in context of their tier level.
Ina is under-rated.
What does apocalypse even mean it seems retarded. Why are Watame, Risu, Pekora and Iofi in Human Level.
Why are Iroha and Noel magic?

>>32133279
Who?

>>32133135
>IRyS
>Gods
Makes no sense but whatever

>>32137193
No I mean in their debut lore all 4 were literal gods that just take a powered down human form.

>>32137279
Watame is just a sheep girl that does no wrong, Risu is just all about nuts and is a squirrel, Iofi is a humanoid alien...artist something. Pekora? She is just a bunny girl who just happens to be really, really at creating chaos that puts Bae to shame.

>>32135332
woah powerful

>>32137279
Iroha and Noel are human level at best unless its some isekai magic stuff.

>>32133135
i think youre giving too much power to the myth girls, especially ina calli and kiara, i dont feel like theyre that strong, but yoberwise pretty accurate imo

Wtf is IRyS's power besides being a cute pon dork?

>>32133327
lorewise i see mumei as a force like the illuminati who controlled the entire human history from behind the curtains

>>32137508
I mean supposedly you can't really kill Kiara completely because she is phoenix even though she can't really do much beyond that. She is just a literal punching bag that will keep getting up.

>>32133135
Aloe is a SEX god

>>32133135
i want to FUCK the warden of time

>>32133135
Pretty damn good. I'd make only a few minor adjustments.
But overall good job anon.

>>32133135
Shion is the Cunny goddess, how can you fuck that up man?

>>32133135
Suityan is a comet how is she not planetary? also meme or not Matuli is a God for getting her shit together and getting back into the holobox.

>>32137507
I can't really tell you much about holoX but I'm pretty sure noel is the strongest human in her lore, because isn't gen 3 from the same world? so noel is the knight's captain in a fantasy setting that includes stuff like elves and necromancers so I think her position is fair
do correct me if I'm mistaken though, but isn't pekora a lunar bunny?

>>32137279
>Bae, Irys and Mori are over-rated in context of their tier level.
>Ina is under-rated.
Why?

>What does apocalypse even mean it seems retarded.
I used apocalypse because they can end human civilization on their own.

>Why are Watame, Risu, Pekora ... in Human Level.
See >>32135532

>>32134946
I forgot that fact about lofi, I think that's enough to push her up one tier.

>Why are Iroha and Noel magic?
That tier is just inadeptly named, my bad.

OP feels like he's never watched or learned about JP girls to know their actual lore....

>>32137660
We don't really know the extent of Kiara's Phoenix powers but if it's comparable to the sun when unleashed I can see her solo-ing humanity

>>32137926
Pekora is from Peko land so unless that place is on the moon and not some fantasy world. The difference may be just a tier higher at best because of the moon's gravity.

>>32136888
yeah thats a big strech from op, also kiara an ina are waay higher than they should imo

>>32134308
How much prep time she had?

>>32133135
accurate i guess

>>32133135
Ina is only that high if bitch ass cthulu decides to possess her otherwise shes just an average gal with tentacles

>>32138057
is the sun thing canon? never heard it, if so than thats fair, but calli is just an aprentice and ina is just a pristess of the ancient ones.

Excluding the retarded power creep of the EN gens:
S+ tier: Rushia
S tier: Noel
A tier: mythical creatures (Coco, Kanata, Haato)
B tier: magic users
C tier: weird non-humans like Pekora, Watame
D tier: individuals boasting superhuman powers
F tier: individuals with normal human-level power (Subaru, Matsuri, Suisei)

>>32138645
Anon, Rushia is just a necromancer. A magic level at best. Even Noel is stronger than her as mentioned by the other anon.

>Chammers in her own category
Good, this should be a rule for all holotier lists.
>not knowing what the ‘gami’ in ‘inugami’ means
Do your fucking reps

>>32138731
Green maybe, pink Rushia is ascended full power form that was explicitly said to be the strongest and Noel is physically the #1 hololive member otherwise

>>32138053
Obviously I can't watch all of their content, that's why I wanted to get some feedback.

>>32137887
I thought that was more of a figure of speech.
Is she literally the personification of a comet in her lore?
Although even if she was, that wouldn't be enough to put her into planetary.

>>32138897
>pink Rushia is ascended full power form that was explicitly said to be the strongest
I've never actually heard of this before, big if true though

>>32138908
Yeah unless Suisei is literally made of space rocks and not have to rely on an axe. She is more human than planetary.

>>32138222
Ina maybe but I could see Kiara end all of human life. Isnt it canon now that she regenerates on the spot bc of the fight with Mori?

>>32133135
The only tier list I cannot refute
Good job anon

>>32133135
Why is Haachama so high tier? Is it like cartoon logic?

>>32133630
My headcannon is that she’s an anime girl who streams

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>>32133135
fauna effortlessly recreated the earth after sana destroyed it. I think she soukd be higher

>>32138645
Depending on the tier of Angel Kanata ranges from B tier to beyond S+ tier.

>>32133135
I think you're a homo and I'm not reading all that

>>32139217
Nah, Fauna is like Cali's polar opposite. She creates life while Cali takes it. Two sides of a coin

>>32139091
make sense, i think the most fair would be to put ina calli and kiara in apocalypse tier

>>32139147
Yeah its cartoon logic, she is the only holo that has that to do the impossible-ish things she does.

>>32139266
cmon hololive lore is one of the coolest thing about them

>>32139147
more or less, haachama is a tricky one since before today cover didn't exactly recognize her lore, and we are excluding anything she herself had an input in on the main channel like that one short collab she had with towa and subaru, forgot about the name but it was in 3D and they played that deer destruction game with the sheep police
but in today's MV for sss cover pretty much recognizes it, making it canon

>>32139307
I think the polar opposite of fauna would be death sensei, calli is just a discipule of them, so a lower tier would make sense, lore wise

Watame respawns and does reality bending shit on her show
She is god tier but unaware

>>32133135
I'd argue Bae be put in the cosmic level, chaos is just a concept such as time and space. Fauna should be put at apocalypse since she cannot affect planetary, she relies on a planet that can sustain or allow her to thrive.

>>32133647
Anon it's all head canon. All we saw is that she potentially made everything wrong with civilisation happen. Sometimes alone, sometimes using the help of other council members.

>>32133941
She's the Laplace Demon which is the personification of causality and determinism.

>>32137444
isn’t okayu the only one who isn’t a god but a yokai? i mean okayu is the only one without kami in her name

>>32139717
Source?

>>32139833
Japanese gods and yokai are basically the same, it doesn't implies power level

>>32139833
More than likely she is a yokai yeah.

>>32137444
If that were the case, their wikis really do need to be updated other than for except Korone being just a mere dog living in a bakery.

>>32139556
Shit happens the way she perceives it, not as she desires. We might be living inside Watame's dream

>>32139962
it's implied through her name and lore bro

>>32139962
Her debut stream

>>32133135
assuming ina gets AO counted in with her she'd match haachama at least

>>32139833
foobs has kami in her name but isn't she a familiar? which to be fair is pretty much a lesser god but isn't as powerful as a full on god right?

>>32139576
>I'd argue Bae be put in the cosmic level, chaos is just a concept such as time and space.
Sana and Kronii are just the warden / avatar of space / time and not the literal personification. Bae actually lived before space, time and the universe even existed.

>Fauna should be put at apocalypse since she cannot affect planetary, she relies on a planet that can sustain or allow her to thrive.
She can restore Earth and all it's inhabitants and can even revive herself from non-existence, so I think planetary is fair.

>>32139962
there was an arg a while ago extremely autistic but very entertaining about laplus&holoX explaning the laplace demon and holoX logo meaning

>>32140212
Okay that's a good defence, i'm convinced.

Dragon ball spicbros, is a fully powered laplus or bae stronger?

https://twitter.com/caliosinia/status/1563974168907239424
I saw this the other day and thought it was pretty cool since it's on the same topic of this thread more or less

>>32140511
Since casualty is just another form of chaos. The fight would just end up a stalemate. Unless Laplus distract her with IRyS to get the edge on Bae.

>>32133135
IRyS is apocalypse at best.

>>32139994
>>32140024
but where is her second tail then? unlessshe’s just a regular cat whose last name happens to be nekomata

>>32140696
alright then, tell me. which holos can solo goku?

>>32133135
Ame and Haachama are kinda in a weird state that their official lore (the one on the website/ channel) has them at human level but the lore they made up puts them way higher. So it’s almost impossible to properly rank them

>>32141207
did ame made the whole time traveling stuff?

>>32141011
Cali if she ever hit him with the scythe as a reaper would.
Ina if she just teleports him to the void unless he got King Kai to help him out.
Kronii, she can just turn him into an old motherfucker and croak on his own
and Hachama just because cartoon physics always defeat anime physics.
Not totally sure about Sora in this case because protag powers are like a mixed bag.

>>32140212
>She can restore Earth and all it's inhabitants and can even revive herself from non-existence, so I think planetary is fair.
Where do you get this, anon? Lore sauce?

>>32141357
It was supposed to be part of her official lore, but it it got cut as her official lore never mentions time travel just that she is a detective.

>>32141493
Sana destroys earth in her debut stream and Fauna restores it.

>>32141007
Maybe, but if I remember correctly nekomatas can cast illusions .

>>32133538
>>32141207
>Haachama’s chuuni stuff isn’t recognized by cover and therefore non-canon
Roru
It's time to update your holo knowledge, old man.

https://hololivesuperexpo.hololivepro.com/news/220415-enreport1/
>This emotional song depicts the duality between “Akai Haato” and “Haachama” with a slight hint of dance music in it.

https://shop.hololivepro.com/products/akaihaato_an4th
・特典ASMRボイス:赤井はあと×はあちゃま特別ボイス

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>>32141493
Here's the video.
https://youtu.be/iICu7NcUK4o?t=386

>>32136621
Fallen angels are demons. There are no demons that weren't originally angels. They defied God and were cast down to hell.

Are we going by character design lore?
risu lore is she's a witch who merged with her squirrel familiar, that'd be magic. But no one knows risu lore.
>>32137193
korone, innugami is dog god/spirit, I'd figure that'd bump her to mythic, magic, or if you took it full as generously literal as possible god. dog god is still god.
I'd drop the whole apocalypse category and bump mumei and tenshi up one and kiara down.

I don't know the rest of the character design lore to say much other than not sure on what basis a nephilim would be classed differently than an angel. all of council would probably be classed god too, and myth as mythical.
>>32133538
do you want to argue with a lady who'd eat a spider? no I thought not.

>>32133135
Pekora can create black holes through her hairs though.

>>32139435
>>32143767
Hologra and other skits are not part of the official lore.


>>32143705
Witch Risu is just a halloween costume, is it not?
Can you post a translated video as evidence of the claim that the gamers are gods / youkai?

>>32143767
Wait, when did she mention that?

>>32139147
Yes, and also this:
>>/vt/thread/S30314066#p30372018

In addition, the Godchama debut video basically states Haachama is easily above all 5 council members COMBINED. The reactions of the council members themselves (+Laplus, and her reaction heavily implies that Haachama is above even causality and determinism) are also in-line with this in canon.

https://twitter.com/ourokronii/status/1432445614210514944
https://twitter.com/tsukumosana/status/1427558894767771652
https://i.imgur.com/0vkI988.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0l6Cxc6KV0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcuVuRwzzag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwogm2h7GLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T1ASlsNt5Q
https://youtu.be/gMzoXP901s8?t=151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbQDX_S7DAA

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>>32138446
tldr Ina is considered cosmic at the very least, and Japanese holo members even call her character a god when she is mentioned.
>Ina's lore by Vt youtuber wiki
>Ina is a priestess of beings known as the Ancient Ones.
>Ina appears to be inspired by the Lovecraftian mythos, a collection of stories featuring tentacled horrors, cultists to ancient forgotten gods, and old books of insanity-inducing lore.
>The book she found is likely a reference to the Necronomicon, a fictional grimoire in the Lovecraft mythos used to summon ancient supernatural evils. The Ninomae family have long held a special purpose, "blessed by the angels, in a way".
Cthulhu is a cosmic entity who is the high priest of the ancient ones. He is equal in rank to Ina. Ina is probably a descendant of one of the ancient ones, because they can procreate with humans (Randolph Carter), and even take human form themselves (Nyarlathotep or Nodens).
In this sense, Ina's character is at least cosmic or higher on this scale, because Cthulhu is classified as a 12-dimensional being. The only way she could get a higher classification than that would be with AO, but then she would be a Haachama level character.

>>32142650
Thank you, Anon
I forgot about that

>>32144673
There are some problems with scaling ina because of the ambiguity of the power that the ancient ones will grant to her and the only thing we know about their power in the hololive universe is that they are stronger than Sana, who is also a herald of the ancient ones btw.
But saying that Ina just has equal power to the ancient ones doesn't make sense in the first place and she hasn't really had any feat that would justify putting her in the same tier as Sana.

>>32144004
Probably started as that then evolved, it's what that song alice&u's about. Ayunda voice is witch, risu is squirrel she explains it a bit here too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JAJbx8Ksvk&t=2776s

>>32144673
>>32144956
Yeah, we can't say Ina is god-tier just because she is based on Lovecraftian myth since all of those are speculations based on OTHER works of fiction, not specifically hololive itself, where it could easily be very different. Basically only feats and canon statements shown on streams and other official hololive material really count.

>>32133135
watson a shit

Much as I hate her, Death is a cosmic power and thus Mori needs a bump up.

>>32145129
I didn't say that Ina is on the same level with The Ancient Ones, but neither is Cthulhu. He is just a Great Old One who is the high priest of the real Ancient Ones.
AOs are all outerverse beings, Cthulhu is just multiversal.

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>>32145129
Yeah, we can't say Ina is god-tier just because she is based on Lovecraftian myth since all of those are speculations based on OTHER works of fiction, not specifically hololive itself, where it could easily be very different. Basically only feats and canon statements shown on streams and other official hololive material* (hologra, holoAlt and hololive Error and other series don't count since they're in a separate canon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbP1x5Qx4X4).)).) really count.

>>32145839
Outer gods are not called ancient ones in the cthulu mythos in the first place, even if that scaling was applicable. An ancient one in the lovecraft verse is actually somebody like Cthulu, not an outer god like Nyarlothep or Shub-Niggurath

>>32145982
If I understand correctly, it's what the hololive members said or did during the streams that counts, right? That makes even less sense.
For example, Ina simply stated that Azathot is her grandfather, that she is immortal, that her creatures are invulnerable void born beings with black holes in their mouths and can float at the speed of light and have no size limit, In addition, Ina is a time traveler who regularly runs into Past Ina and Future Ina, and has streamed from the future twice.
https://youtu.be/s4M7quMcnnI?t=432

>>32147212
I would only count that if there's strong evidence for what they're saying in their lore.

>>32147212
For powerscaling purposes, official lore is basically things seen on a vtuber's streams that are not obviously jokes and meant to be remembered. And of course, fan lore, headcanons and speculation without basis are also invalid.

But the fact Ina explictly states we shouldn't take one-off stuff she says basically invalidates those statements you listed, and only for her since others take their lore-building seriously, thus we as a result respect that, so we recognize them.

>>32145790
Except she is just an apprentice of Death, thereby she is not Death, how many times does this need to be repeated before you understand it?

>>32147742
She became death herself. We already talked about this.

>>32147819
When did Death sensei allow that?

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>>32147868
During the New Underworld Order arc. She went from the Reaper's apprentice to the Reaper itself

>>32148000
Anon, it's been documented everywhere. On streams, in her twitter bio, etc. You can easily see the change if you pay attention

>>32147562
I see, then Ina hasn't had a new Lore since her debut, because Ina simply forgets what she said, then a few months later she makes up the same thing again, only to forget it again. Moreover, ever since she learned during the Dagon stream that Lovecraft was a yabai person, she immediately distanced herself from her own lore and started becoming a mahou shoujo type cat girl.

>>32147562
I like that definition.


>>32148102
Uhm....

>>32137448
>Iofi is a humanoid alien
yes and seems like she's and also a Princess in her home planet

https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/talents/airani-iofifteen/

>>32137448
>Iofi is a humanoid alien
yes and seems like she's also a Princess in her home planet

https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/talents/airani-iofifteen/

>>32148395
My bad. She only announced her intention to overtrhow Death Sensei
https://youtu.be/x_AmcAqxbh4?t=409

EOP tourism thread
>No knowledge about HoloJp or ID
>No knowledge about Shinto
>Only initial settings matter (Never watched streams)
Western vtubing is dead.

>>32149284
Correct people in the thread or offer some informations instead of doomposting, retard

>>32133538
>isn’t recognized by cover
this was in the new SSS MV, so its is recognized by cover

>>32145474
Her magic can't be that strong since a human mob managed to corner her but I still think that should boost her one tier.

>>32148690
I'll update the list if that happens.

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>>32140953
IRyS (1st awakening) existed before the universe was created so she is mostly likely on-par with Baelz who is also the only one in council to have existed before the genesis. IRyS also calls herself "Hope" so it seems she at her full power is meant to rival Bae (Chaos vs Hope kind of thing).

>IRyS confirming that the light that descended in the Prelude video is her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgZdh8S4dAk
>"once brought hope to 'The Paradise' during the ancient age"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvg4SUna5xw
https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/talents/irys/


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>>32143705
Fubuki - https://youtu.be/zN3J1YW9fDc?t=996
(notice she even mentions the ability to shapeshift)

Okayu - https://youtu.be/glDyGIQt_Og?t=52
>2:55 Okayu's surname, Nekomata, is actually a reference to a cat youkai, one type which live in mountains, and another type that are domestic cats that transform after turning old. Okayu is referencing the latter here, saying "I'm a nekomata already" pointing to the fact that she's already grown old enough as a domestic cat to transform.

Korone
- https://twitter.com/fuka_hire/status/1213312083279769602
>Korone-chan the Inugami
- https://store.steampowered.com/app/1748610/Evil_God_Korone/
Not technically \the same canon, but it's essentially a what-if Korone was evil type of scenario.

Mio however is just an wolfman with magical powers and a stand.
https://youtu.be/_3vvvz2r-MM?t=76


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>>32139014
I'm not sure about her explictly stating she is a comet, but she has been insisting she is some kind of super"human" for a LONG time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf9UxLmhh-o
https://youtu.be/jYY9ViPqXoU?t=1350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6YosfTpGzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iprB9wnggHA
https://youtu.be/ofjMYtO8ILc?t=141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a51VH9BYzZA
>Original Japanese line: だって僕は星だから

It's definitely not a joke or a throw-away comment when she consistently brings it up time and time again, especially in an interview/radio show (Tokomachi Radio).
Basically, according to Suisei's lore, she's not a regular human but a species she simply calls "idol". As a result she canonically ages (slowly) like a comet and doesn't need to go to the toilet as she can just reverse-photosynthesize her waste away. Pretty bizarre stuff even by hololive standard.


>>32140024
Vtuber/hololive wiki are NEVER comprehesive. They are missing so much pretty vital information it's unreal. Even TV Tropes often covers more hololive lore than them.

>>32149389
>74 retards
>That's way more rape correction than my dick can handle
Also correcting people over basic shit is just sad. Especially when people clearly only care about council and myth.

>>32134125
>nene trips on her own foot and accidentally stabs a god with a divine sword that she thought was just a cool-looking stick

>>32134308
in a FPS game.
IRL Korone can beat literally every holomember. Perhaps only Aruran could fight her since he is also very fit to the point he can crush an apple with his hand

>>32149949
>i know about ID and JP but i'm just an asshole and too lazy to share some information of their updated lores

>>32149949
Are you actually an EOP poser acting as a JP watcher? Because it doesn't sound like you actually know anything.
Share some details instead of wasting your time making 2 vaguepost in the thread

>>32150259
>>32150157
I have discussed seriously on the thread earlier. Just got tired of you children and decided to shit the thread
>It is working

>>32150456
ok cool

>>32150042
this looks like a title for a bad isekai novel

>>32150456
Ogey

>>32133538
Anon we're not in 2021 anymore...

>>32133327
She was created to note down all things humans do with civilisation, nothing more. She’s just really good at watching.

>>32151140
>good at watching
Definitely not /here/ then. No one here watches anything

>>32140653
Excellent story anon

>>32149861
I looked up what kind of powers are associated with Inugami and it doesn't sound too impressive.
>Like other tsukimono, or possession spirits, inugami are beings of powerful emotion and are very good at possessing emotionally unstable or weak people.

Kitsune seem a bit better in that regard:
>Kitsune often have powerful magic, and are specially known for their charm abilities, Illusions, Possession, and Mind Manipulation.
That should be good enough for the magic tier.


>Basically, according to Suisei's lore, she's not a regular human but a species she simply calls "idol".
I think you can construct that into her being in the mythical tier, assuming she didn't originate from earth and traveled here on her own somehow, other than that, having a long lifespan wouldn't really affect her rating.

lap is the strongest holo in streaming and lore

>>32151140
Anon she made the black plague happen. That's a bit more than just watching

>>32149861
>>32152021
So basically, Suisei is a kind of human-looking alien or perhaps a space golem that slowly formed conscience after countless years traveling through space and toke a human form once it arrived on Earth

>>32152021
>>32152626
Alright, here's the update list, thank you to everyone that tried to help shape it.

>>32133135
>Roboco
>Magic
???

>>32153988
>>32154656

>>32153988
So, now there are only 10 Holos I can rape, huh?

>>32155141
>doesn't want to rape all of them

>>32138446
yes, she said she can increase the heat of her flames to the same temperature as the sun
sometimes she forgets to supress her heat and accidentally burns down buildings, wich was the KFP plot for needing lots of money to repay her debt for all the lawsuits

>>32133135
>>32153988
Ancient One and Moon Goddess in the same tier

>>32155365
>can

>>32155882
We don't know the extent of power that eldritch monster moona fought possessed, but it's still super impressive nonetheless.
https://youtu.be/stmZAThUl64?t=96

>>32155882
If anything, this implies the Ancient Ones isn't as powerful as people think since a moon goddess who is presumely moon-planetary is seemingly their equal, and that >>32153988's tier list remains correct even if we take the "Ina has all of AO's power" hypothesis.

>>32150130
Nta but no. Height and weight matter far more than the amateur boxing experience she has.
Also, putting her against a guy who trains is completely unfair to her.

>>32134933
For child support.

Just a question. Do you people care about /wg/?it seems interesting that there's two different halves of people interested in the same thing.

>>32160127
uhh not really

>>32160127
Yes, used to read every story when it was first made but now I just lurk there

Ina needs to be bumped up by one slot. She's an agent to a cosmic horror beyond the comprehension of mortals.

>>32147562
>>32148269
For official Ina lore then we can count the recent reveal of the watcher who is implied to be future Ina that has surpassed the power of the ancient ones and protects her from being taken over by them

>>32135963
>>32138645
>>32138897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wILNhu_zLko
What she simply THINKS isn't the same as "confirmed", anon. And besides that...

>>32138964
Keep in mind Noel said that off the top of her head; she has limited knowledge on other holomem's lore. And obviously her answer is going to be biased since she's a fellow Gen 3 member and she would see/want themselves to be strong/strongest (given they're basically a RPG party), even if subconsciously.

I'll give you that Pink Rushia is supposed to be stronger and pretty powerful though (most likely strongest in Gen 3), since it's a part of her Necromancer Princess outfit debut stream.
https://youtu.be/sNQYownZRe0?t=299

>>32153988
>>32137448
While this doesn't directly say anything about her tier, Watame is one of the few confirmed 'immortal' hololive characters, with each greater regen than Kiara the phoenix, which is very impressive.

The Virgin Kiara
>apparently dies if eaten
>takes a long-ass time to respawn if 'killed', and loses her memory each time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa5Pimg2kPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXynz6o6m38

The Chad Watame
>can be eaten no problem
>respawned in a mere 8 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mz1SUs1uMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwUSWRASeI
https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1306565212451950593

>>32153988
>>32137448
While this doesn't directly say anything about her tier, Watame is one of the few confirmed 'immortal' hololive characters, with each greater regen than Kiara the freaking phoenix, which is very impressive.

The Virgin Kiara:
>apparently dies if eaten
>takes a long-ass time to respawn if 'killed', and loses her memory each time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa5Pimg2kPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXynz6o6m38

The Chad Watame:
>can be eaten no problem
>respawned in a mere 8 seconds with no complication whatsoever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mz1SUs1uMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwUSWRASeI
https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1306565212451950593

>>32139556
While Watame IS shown doing some truly ridiculous stuff on Giri Giri Warukunai Watame (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr0VWuEHT7U for example). The fact that the whole show is supposed to be a gag series, that skit itself specifically parodying Gunbuster, and that Watame haven't really display this level of power elsewhere (in her streams, for one) makes it closer to hologra; something that is not meant to be taken seriously imo.

>>32144494
Man, I thought creepy Haachama lore was fun before Cover started with the Council powercreep, now it seems like whenever a "stronger" holo gets introduced she just goes NO UMMM ACTUALLY I'M STRONGER like that one autistic kid and people go along as to not be discourteous to their senpai.

>>32177573
Blame Cover and Omega for bringing this ridicious powercreep into hololive in the first place. You know how people say Dragon Ball is infamous for powerclipping? This is that but dialed up to eleven since HoloEN went all

"Sup, I'm Mortimer Mort, I'm the cambion daughter of Lucifer and I'm training to become the future queen of hell. As you know I'm a member of the Committee, which means that I'm also the embodiment of Jungianism and as such I have a shadow self named Trom who shows up sometimes. My pitchfork is made of mythical adamant and as such it can pierce through anything and can't break. I can also make fire hot enough to incinerate all the souls within the infinite reaches of hell. See you next stream I guess."

out of nowhere, and so those who want to complete have no choice but to make themselves insanely more powerful with huge jumps in power level.

But in the end of the day I'm an unapologetic powerlevelfag so I welcome anything that makes vtubers more powerful

>>32177573
it was just with council, with holox she just said "I'm actually one of you" for a couple of streams before she dropped it, I highly doubt she'll do something like this when EN3 or JP7 come out

>>32144673
It is Cthulhu she was based on then, i wasn't sure the AO's were inspired by Cthulhu or the old gods

>>32178321
Cover is definitely the ones that started it with Council lore, I think I'd have more fun with all that if council actually tried to stand their ground and bounce back instead of instantly folding to Haachama's THAT KID moment, but when you're a new hire in a company and a veteran employee comes by to interact and have some fun with you it's only natural to play along and humour them so I get why they responded the way that they did, this whole thing just made chammers come off as uncharacteristically petty to me.
>>32178339
I hope so, Haachama bullshitting herself back up the power rankings and new hires going "oh wow it's haachama, sooo scaaary" is honestly the most tiring part and their interactions with each other get much better once they're past that phase.

>>32177573
Blame Cover and Omega for bringing this ridicious level of powercreep into hololive in the first place. You know how people say Dragon Ball is infamous for power cliffing? This is that but dialed up to eleven since HoloEN went all like
>Sup, I'm Mortimer Mort, I'm the cambion daughter of Lucifer and I'm training to become the future queen of hell. As you know I'm a member of the Committee, which means that I'm also the embodiment of Jungianism and as such I have a shadow self named Trom who shows up sometimes. My pitchfork is made of mythical adamant and as such it can pierce through anything and can't break. I can also make fire hot enough to incinerate all the souls within the infinite reaches of hell. See you next stream I guess.
out of nowhere, forcing those who wants to play along to make themselves insanely more powerful, with huge jumps in power level.

But at the end of the day I'm an unapologetic powerlevelfag so I welcome anything that makes vtubers more powerful with open arms

>>32179912
Fyi Haachama was already casually busting planets before HoloEN even debuted so it wasn't as large as a jump as you might think. If anything, the COEXIST arc was actually relatively grounded in terms of power level, despite it canonically taking place after all those planet-busting feats.

But yes, I can see why someone might think Haachama being this invincible horror is predictable and not very exciting. Haachama kinda knows this in-character since she purposely jobs all the time, as according to her, she won't grow if there's no challenge whatsoever.

>>32152626
That's a good way to think about it.

>>32152568
Source?

>>32162730
I'm not familiar with Ina's recent lore and I would like to check it out myself so it'll be great if someone can provide links, thanks.

>>32180429
Going from casual planetary to way above Universal is a pretty drastic jump. I'd also argue that jobbing "on purpose" is even less entertaining than just straight up not losing ever, as losing to someone just because you feel like it is infinitely more disrespectful than just taking them seriously from the start, and it doesn't even provide you with a challenge that will lend itself to future growth, like in a bad Trails game where the characters are all holding back all the time.
At the end of the day my main, petty gripe with this whole will always be with how it just feels like a "me! me!" moment whenever someone decides to revise their lore immediately after a newer "stronger" employee comes around.

>>32181735
>Ina's new lore
https://youtu.be/2oc4di4E60o?t=1062
>Mumei causing the black plague and much more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Hg8VSFq2M

>>32155882
>>32157273
>>32157932
i wish Moona expand her Moon Goddess lore

>>32133135
fixed it

>>32187119
>"i fixed it"
>no explaination
discarded

>>32133135
Humans should be split up between skilled and unskilled. For example we've seen Marine show skilled combat prowess in her music video, which likely puts her above a sports team manager or cheerleader.

>>32179912
>I think I'd have more fun with all that if council actually tried to stand their ground and bounce back instead of instantly folding to Haachama's THAT KID moment,
The only one who did this in any capacity was Mumei with the whole college wars thing but even then Hachaama had to initiate that.

>>32133135
Fixed

>>32133135
Why is a devil below a demon? Devil should be above a angle too.

>>32152568
She used no powers whatsoever. I could’ve done it if I’d had a glass full of fleas.

>>32188746
yeah ok but where's the feats? just because she's a demon doesn't she should on the same tier with angel if she never update or renewed her lores

>>32188746
yeah ok but where's the feats? just because she's a demon doesn't mean she should be on the same tier with angel if she never update or renewed her lores.

this tierlist is based on Holomems updated Lores, a canon one >>32147562
>official lore is basically things seen on a vtuber's streams that are not obviously jokes and meant to be remembered.
>And of course, fan lore, headcanons and speculation without basis are also invalid.

>>32133135
Ame can beat them all with prep time.

Since we're categorizing, here's the Holos as existing Magic: The Gathering tokens.
>What these?
Some cards in Magic "create" new cards. Official prints exist for most tokens, but you're allowed to use nearly anything to represent tokens, including custom stuff. For example, Kanata's token can be created by this card: https://scryfall.com/card/ima/7/angelic-accord

>>32189331
>Why shark fly?
The only card that makes sharks is a Sharknado reference.

>>32189385
Smol

>>32189443
Reminder text-less versions of the regular tokens. Plus a Marit Lage Ina for all the times previous people have gone "Why no Ina Lage?"

>>32133135
i think watame should be a lot higher because she is very cute and i like her a lot

>>32133135
Moris cat is a universe buster so move her up.

>>32189817
proof?

>>32149582
I mean this feels like a pretty unambiguous statement about her taking over

>>32189817
It was her Jump King stream while she was in America. https://youtu.be/cfk_fEhwsM8 At 50:58 she says it.

>>32133135
Any feats?

>>32192313
read the thread

>>32133135
this is wrong on nearly every level. i could go on and on and on critiquing this tier list but i wont. so to cut shit short, get rid of HUMAN LEVEL and VIRTUAL. it should start on SUPERHUMAN. and lastly, Sora-chan in HUMAN LEVEL? really nigga?

>>32194058
nope, it's correct >>32153988

>Sora-chan in HUMAN LEVEL?
yes, she's a normal human, all those things of her being a goddess and such are just memes.
memes and fancanon are not included so..

>>32162730
Only the WAHcher is not stronger than Ina, in fact she explicitly claims to be weaker than her, and cannot interfere with anything, just like the Marvel Universe Watcher. Plus, it was a 20 minute filler episode and we haven't heard from her since.

>>32133135
>Haachama is her own category
Didnt read pass that but 100% agree

>>32197317
It doesn't help that the video was released on april fools.

>>32190240
It's a joke and her cat isn't canon to hololive yet.
And even if it was, it would be the cat that has that level of power, not herself.

Powerlevel faggotry? In vee tee?
based

>>32187412
That's a good idea actually. Zeta for example is also a secret agent, so she should have some combat training.

Even that or have the order within a tier matter (ascending/descending level of power).

>>32173214
>and that Watame haven't really display this level of power elsewhere (in her streams, for one)
Watame uses a less powerful version of it, just so she doesn't end up destroying the planet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAHaJtZOto8

>>32206561
>Even that or have the order within a tier matter (ascending/descending level of power).
I feel like that would end up with pretty arbitrary orders in most cases.

>sora's "goddess joke" didn't count
>haato's "haachama is the strongest and creepiest joke" count
I will never understand powerlevelspics.

>>32212124
Sora has never actually displayed any powers or feats in canon, not even in her streams.

Haachama on the other hand has showcased her powers as legit feats many times on her streams, with most if not all without a hint of comedy or meme:
>>/vt/thread/S30314066#p30372018

I don't get what's so hard to understand?

Cosmic - LA+ - 2 downtier
Planetary - Ina, Fauna Calli +1 uptier
Mythical - Nene and Ame - 3 downtier (she's a human using technology) Aki -2 downtier
Magic - Roboco, Iroha and Noel -1 downtier
Superhuman - Flare and Lamy + 1 uptier (elf boost)
Human - Iofi +1 uptier

Cosmic - LA+ - 2 downtier
Planetary - Ina, Fauna Calli +1 uptier
Mythical - Nene and Ame - 3 downtier (she's a human using technology) Aki -2 downtier
Magic - Roboco, Iroha and Noel -1 downtier Towa + 2 Uptier
Superhuman - Flare and Lamy + 1 uptier (elf boost)
Human - Iofi +1 uptier

>>32212614
So if you didn't watch stream and there's no translated clips, it didn't count, huh?
what's the excuse for hologra, spic-kun?

>>32133135
Mori is literally Death. She is a concept. She pwns all the other noobs.

>Nigh-Omniscience: Death is possibly the most powerful of the Endless having been shown (in a flashback in Brief Lives) to be virtually omniscient and being able to intimidate the Furies, who show no fear of the other Endless, simply by raising her voice. She can see all possible futures and ends for all the beings who fall under her auspice.

>Immortality: Death is ageless and virtually immortal. It was stated that she would be the last thing in existence, and she would lock the door of the universe behind her. She outlived even Destiny who is seen claimed by her in The Book of Magic when Mr.E and Tim go to the end of time.Death is such a powerful being that she can undo her immortality and become mortal in a single day every century as she always does as usual.

>Death was once referred to as "she who trumps and defines all of existence".

>>32212927
>hologra
Read the thread, buddy.
>>32145982

>So if you didn't watch stream and there's no translated clips, it didn't count, huh?
Not my fault you're ignorant of hololive lore, or the fault you're an EOP.

>>32213090
>separate canon
yeah, i guess, it's my fault for trying to reason with an autist spic....

>>32213416
you're trying too hard anon

>>32212975
anon, she's an apprentice reaper, not the concept of death itself, read the thread

>>32212975
>posts a fucking dc powerscale of an entirely different character

>>32133135
needs a 'whore' tier. Who'd be in it?

>>32214758
make your own thread

>>32138365
at least 2

>>32133135
>Iofi
>Human
She's literally a fucking alien

>>32215402
it's the tierlist about the strenght, not a race
she maybe an alien, but she's weak like an ordinary human

also before you said somehting stupid, show us any proof that she shouldn't in that tier.
example >>32147562

>nooo haachama schizo lore is canon other made up lore is not canon because they are not schizo enough about it

>>32216155
Unfortunately for you, even Cover agrees.
>>32142372
>>32149551

>>32216155
Haha yes, not schizo enough to be canon
>>32142372
>>32149551

>>32216335
agrees on what ? that doesn't mean anyshit like there is other member with different persona like fubuki and even sora, there is nothing that says "haachama is blablabla the strongest" only her headcanon, also why count this but not hologra ? "because it's a joke etc" don't give me that bullshit because they all are jokes in the end and you're just trying too hard to make haachama's bullshit "official" because she is schizo enough and tryhard about it to make videos and acting about it

>>32217964
>agrees on what ?
Haachama's schizo lore is canon. You can't debate this at this point when Cover officially acknowledged it many times in their official videos, articles and merchs.

>there is nothing that says "haachama is blablabla the strongest" only her headcanon
We're not basing it on her words, we're basing it on concrete showings of power and feats.
>>32212614

>hologra
Because if we count hologra then everyone would be like fucking Universal level or some shit due to the fact everyone there follows "Chichi can beat up Goku" looney tunes rules. Not to mention too much contradictions in hologra itself (Marine herself mentioned this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbP1x5Qx4X4).). There wouldn't even be a tier list since there would be no point as everyone is virtually equally as broken.

>that doesn't mean anyshit like there is other member with different persona like fubuki and even sora
You're welcomed to provide sources from their streams showing their powers and feats if you're not happy with how your oshi is ranked. Until then, evidence speaks for everything, just as how VS debates are traditionally done.

>>32212975
She's NOT the concept of death herself
it's just her intention to overthrow death sensei >>32148690
also >>32148395

>>32219431
There's also that feat where she distorts and twists spacetime with just her voice. https://youtu.be/P6DcLalmvkI?t=651

>>32133135
>Aloe in the tierlist

>>32219431
nah, i actually don't really care about all these shit for Hololive because it's not the same like anime and comics in this regard
>We're not basing it on her words, we're basing it on concrete showings of power and feats
>bunch of videos based on her headcanon
i was right, it just matter of how the member care enough about this stuff

>>32135532
Watame respawns in 8 seconds as part of her lore though. Even if she's a prey animal that's not a big deal by comparison. Okayu is also only a house cat, not a tiger or something.

>>32222782
The authors headcanon IS the canon if they project it outwards in some way. If Sora made a serious video to show us what her godly abilities are or just added it to her official lore then she would get a higher ranking too.

>>32139147
It's Haachama Logic

>>32223170
>Okayu is also only a house cat
ACKSHUALLY
>>32149861

I've also talked about Watame's regen here >>32173214.
As for >>32209770, she was talking about Ui-beam (Shigure Ui's signature attack) and nothing actually happens as/after she shoots her beam so it seems more like she was playing pretend and doesn't really count as proof imo.

>>32223256
the author is Hololive/Cover and there is nothing to prove haachama being "blablabla the strongest" your proof of "Cover agrees" is only that haato has other persona just like fubuki with kurokami and sora with yoruno sora,yukino sora etc, haachama ability is only her headcanon and hologra is basically written by the company the "author" which makes it more canon than made up lore from the member
>If Sora made a serious video to show us what her godly abilities etc
exactly my point it was just matter of how much care the member have about this shit

>>32225519
Hologra literally has her using the same powers she does in her streams, like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_9xsmRez4Y for example, so you just proved Cover canonized all her "headcanons" even in your own logic, well done :)

>>32226039
and Sora is jesus and she also described as the strongest and other member with their unusual abilities so ? my entire point is made up your mind if you only want to go by original official lore like haachama would be just normal human like matsuri,sora,suisei etc and the top ones are from council also there is omega but you're trying too hard and nitpick what's canon or not to make haachama schizo lore "canon" but not for other member just because they don't tryhard or care enough about it

>>32225519
>the author is Hololive/Cover
If they weren't okay with her lore they would intervene then.
Hologra can't be used as evidence for abilities because most of them are as internally consistent as a fever dream.

>>32226745
>Omega
don't bring a non vtuber

>>32226745
>and Sora is jesus and she also described as the strongest and other member with their unusual abilities so ?
Source?

>>32226840
there is A-chan on the list tho

>>32188679
Bruh, Nene is superhuman at best.

>>32226970
>he doesn't know A-chan has a vtuber avatar
Okay we're done here.

>>32226970
A-chan and Nodoka are vtubers with model, and they're actually streaming, unlike Omegalul

>>32226781
>If they weren't okay with her lore they would intervene then
people make doujin with their own lore and headcanon all the time, it doesn't make them officially canon tho

>>32227203
So you're saying every single video of the girls is non-canon.

>>32158314
retard

>>32133327
The power of speech impediment

>>32227041
>>32227061
i don't like omegatranny myself, but i don't see any detail about this. it only says "Hololive tierlist" and i thought it's not just about the member since A-chan is there. but regardless it doesn't really change anything

>>32227203
Technically making doujins of hololive for profit is a violation of their terms and service.
https://en.hololive.tv/terms

>Please comply with the following guidelines regarding derivative works.

>Please be mindful of our talents, and refrain from creating derivative works that they may find unpleasant.
>Please limit your creation of derivative works to a fan or hobby level. Do not use our content for business purposes (including, but not limited to, cases where a business bears the production costs, etc., even if it is under the name of an individual), or for purposes that can be deemed as for-profit.
>Please comply with all applicable laws and regulations, including the terms and rules of any relevant platforms.
>Please refrain from creating derivative works that fall under the following categories:
>>Content that is falsely represented as official, or can be misinterpreted or mistaken as official
>>Content that is contradictory to public order and morality, or exceeds what is socially acceptable
>>Content that includes matters pertaining to any particular ideology, belief, religion, or politics
>>Content that damages our image, or that of our talents or our content
>>Content that damages a third party's image, or violates their rights
Other content that we deem unsuitable

But Japanese companies basically never take action because everyone in Japan just do it regardless.

>>32133135
I think korone should be in either mythical or magical level, I mean... isn't she an inugami? like, a dog deity?

>>32227378
not really no, i said hologra is more canon than the made up lore from the member because they are basically the company the "author" itself and despite this you said hologra is not canon while haachama video is and it just gonna back to my point that it was all just matter of how much care the member have for this shit which made entire thing quite stupid and useless

>>32227837
>which made entire thing quite stupid and useless
Why are getting so riled up about a couple of nerds discussing the power level of fictional anime youtubers online anyway? You're even more autistic than them if after all these people explaining to you their reasoning and you still refuse to listen to any of them.

>>32227837
>hologra is more canon than the made up lore from the member because they are basically the company the "author" itself
LMAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>32227837
What does "more canon" even mean?
If we use hologra to powerscale we can just all put them in the same tier, gag characters that are as strong or weak as needed for the joke to work.

>>32227837
1 question, no lying... who's your oshi anon?

>>32228163
like i said, i actually don't really care about the powerlevel debate itself because Hololive is not the same like you debate anime or comic because for anime and comic it's clear what is from original source or not and i just kinda bored anyway
the whole thing is just debating "is this canon or not" based on own interpretation like if you made video about it aka care enough about then it's canon which is stupid

>>32133135
redpill me on why anya is up there

>>32182966
Cheers friend!

>>32189068
Actually why is Kanata so high in the tier list? Is it based on some specific feat or statement?

>imagine
for the past 2 years you working hard to build up your own lore as a time traveler detective who can crossed and intervene multiple timelines, ,et lots of mythical beings and fought againts the time keeper herself.
just to be told that
>hologra is more canon than the made up lore from the member

>imagine
for the past 2 years you working hard to build up your own lore as a time traveler detective who can crossed and intervene multiple timelines, meet lots of mythical beings and fought againts the time keeper herself.
just to be told that
>hologra is more canon than the made up lore from the member

>>32133997
her power is to be THE english Vsinger and get a ton of original japanese songs, each worse and less viewed than the last.

>>32229825
She's an ancient magical weapon (kris) and emphasized that she can protect herself in her debut.

>>32230322
I don't understand why people just hate fun and kino. All these lore don't even directly contradict anything to the point where you can't explain it, nor do they cause any problems with other's lore, so what's the harm?

>>32227655
You do realize that has literally ZERO legal weight anywhere right. Each countries law system doesn't have some caveat where it says "we totally matter, unless there is a website where people make requests".

>>32230828
Yes, that's why Cover basically never takes action and probably never will.

>>32228516
i never said you have to include hologra tho, it just to show how you try to nitpick what's canon or not, you claim if the member care enough to make videos or such then it's canon that's bs, they are still meme and if you want to include that then the meme from hologra is valid, just made up your mind if you want to use only their original lore or you want to include memes

>>32227655
i mean yes and no
you are using the likeness of say. marine taking 5 cocks, but you are not making a profit from it because you just ''acepting donations'' instead of selling it, and at the same time people cumming buckets to marine are more likely to watch one of her streams or to spread the brand
its a completely gray area that 99% of companies are absolutely thrilled to profit from, the 1% that attacks these doujin circles are either retarded or are the uma musume brand who have 90 y/o yakuza bosses on it

>>32230946
Imagine genuinely thinking that lore can't evolve over time.

>>32230946
>just made up your mind
We did.
>>32147562

I don't see why it HAS to the way (You) (singular) wanted it to be, just because YOU think it's stupid and you're not happy with it.

>>32231132
never said they can't

>>32232020
So what's the problem then? They talents can create their lore when they want to and as long as there's no statement from cover or the talents themselves it's canon.

>>32232020
Then you agree extended lore like Amelias and Haachamas are valid. Glad we can come to a conclusion.

>>32232138
>as long as there's no statement from cover or the talents themselves it's canon.
i disagree, cover make no statement doesn't mean they are canon and the talents is not the author, unless cover updated their lore something like that then it's not canon, it's like saying someone make a doujin of a series with different lore and such but the author doesn't say anything about it then you called it canon

>>32182966
Mumei implicitly causing the Black Plague goes back even further to one of the Council Meetings where Mumei made her genmates guess what she was doing in 1346.

Reminder that Watame have
>superhuman strength
>can respaw after 8 seconds
>martial art master
>peerless samurai
>can shoot beams
>can bend destiny and reality, because she can't do anything wrong

>>32232237
>>32232517

>>32232517
>the talents is not the author
Show proof or leave with your headcanon.

>>32232517
>lore not on cover website are not canon because I don't know anything asides from info gathered from vtuber wiki!!11!
Every time

are we in a timeloop? because it never ends
i mean wth

>>32232590
Sorry anon, no backsies!

>>32232595
are you stupid ? the company is the author they are the one who create the character, saying the talent is the author is more or less the same like saying the VA it the author or robert downey jr is author of ironman

>>32232734
if you care enough about what's canon or not then referring to the original source from the author which in this case Cover/Hololive itself is important

>>32232966
That's only the case for the initial lore. Everything after that is more in the hands of the idols than cover, see Moona, Haachama, Pekora etc

>>32233162
also ame

>>32232966
>the company is the author
Yes I agree. Toei Animation is the author of Dragon Ball, and definetely not Akira Toriyama

>conveniently ignoring the fact that the vtuber themselves create >90% of content, let alone lore, with them literally having control of everything about the character aside from initial setting
Kek

>>32133135
wild how this works as a based powerlevel chart too there are clips of the entire top half saying racist shit

>>32233065
>original source from the author
Sadly for you anon, the "original source" for hololive IS vtuber streams. THAT is what hololive is all about for the majority of fans. Case closed.

>>32233246
not that anon, but the fact all the bullshit powerscaling that happen in DBS and DBSH are Toei's fault i mean wtf with orange piccolo, beast gohan and cell max pro 13,

but manga (DBS) still has consistent powerscaling imo,

I don't understand this retarded argument.
an indication to haachama's lore was very visible in an official piece of media that haachama herself had no say in, none of the talents had a say in I'd bet.
it was fully choreographed and drawn up by the creative team at cover, and those people wouldn't greenlight anything without the higher ups' permission, therefore it is agreed upon by HQ that haachama's lore is in fact canon

>>32233162
says who ? they can play their character the way they want that doesn't mean they become the "author" or make it canon

>>32227745
It already happened. >>32153988

>He's still at it

>>32233695
He just has an hidden agenda. This whole thing started in >>32216155.
Notice how when people counter his arguments, he just ignore everything they say and repeat the same thing a la timeloop. He most likely just hates Haachama and don't want to accept that she's this insanely powerful in canon.

>>32230322
I find it odd how often anons discount Ame's time travelling because it wasn't in her debut or mentioned on the official site but let Haachama or Moona slide.

>>32233940
Just stop it already you keep contradicting yourself over and over and if you're not interested in a powerlevel debate in the first place then what's even the point?

>>32234211
haachama's schizo arc was arguably one of the top 3 biggest arcs in hololive history, it's just widely known especially among the english viewers, ame's lore was built up within her audience so it's not as well known

>>32233246
>Yes I agree. Toei Animation is the author of Dragon Ball, and definetely not Akira Toriyama
cmon anon in Hololive case it's the company doesn't mean it applies to all other, stop pretending
>conveniently ignoring the fact that the vtuber themselves create >90% of content, let alone lore, with them literally having control of everything about the character aside from initial setting
doesn't change the fact they are not the author

>>32234212
scroll up, i did say i kinda bored

>>32234211
>anons discount Ame's time travelling
If by "anons" you mean this guy >>32230946 who thinks >the only thing canon is the outdated as fuck cover profiles and NOTHING ELSE COUNTS
then sure. But otherwise, no, her time travel lore is generally accepted. Ask just any HoloEN fan.

>>32234100
why would i hate haachama for her lore, it's one of her interesting stuff beside her cooking thing but it's all just a meme for me regardless

>>32234733
Prove it then, name at least 5 different Haachama personas and link their first appearance.

>>32173214
>something that is not meant to be taken seriously
None of this is meant to be taken seriously.

>>32235756
"Something that is meant to be remembered and not just a one-off thing" is a better choice of wording there.

>>32235860
Most of the girls constantly contradict their own lore because it's not that important.
It's especially not designed to be analyzed in the context of "power levels", like Hololive is some sort of shonen battle anime

>>32236319
>It's especially not designed to be analyzed in the context of "power levels"
Not with that attitude, you're not!

>>32235157
anon, i can just lie to you and do some search to answer your question but i won't, i only watch some haachama horror lore stuff and her cooking, i just don't know why you think i hate haachama just because i don't agree with your definition of what's canon or not

>>32236459
It's fine to do so, but if you're going to you may as well take into account all sources since they're all equally absurd.
btw Haachama is a planet buster at minimum thanks to an ad she made.

>>32236558
I also don't understand why you think repeating the same argument ad infinitum is going to have a different outcome. Are you insane?

>>32236319
https://youtu.be/dNHwsigk_-I

>>32162730
None of that was implied. She's essentially just a new player introduced from the Void who can tap into the AO's powers (maybe?)

>>32236677
>>32219431
>>32228516

I try to, anon. But just accepting everything a talent has ever said or did will just freaking destroy the tier list and render it meaningless, especially with hologra where everybody is basically god due to the lack of restraint in logic.

And that's not the only reason we call them different canons. Each of those other series have their own character settings and backstories; there is just no way to incorperate everything into the one setting and have it still make any slimmer of sense.

>>32237324
The funniest thing is that UI Shaggy eventually became canon in Multiversus... because the company liked the idea.

Just like what happened to Haachama!
>>32149551