/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>32108796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYhvbVDtkKI
You'll never make your oshi laugh like this
Kronii had the time of her life with Altare

>>32108796
Is that real?

Hmm my previous thread died ,let me just remake it again but this time in greentext form -retard OP

>>32108877
Word for word, they even got her mannerisms down. It's written too good to be fake.

>>32108796
>And remember, don't act like you're maidenless! Yeahhhh!
You heard that /vt/? Stop being fucking virgins and improve yourself

>>32108796
Pepeloni?

>>32108796
>but, don't ship people! It's weird, especially when we're, uh, coworkers?
BaeRyS
You are with Mumei
Amesame, Gura/Fauna, Gura/Shion
Kiara/Mori, Kiara/Reine

The difference is that she actually wants the D and so that's why fansips are now an issue.

>>32108796
>But, not everyone finds me attractive
>says the person getting hit on by random strangers on airplanes whom she exchanges numbers with

>>32108796
Literealy what the fuck is this schizo rambling supposed to mean?

>>32108925
>died
Nuked is a better word for enforced silencing of wrongthink

>>32108844
honestly though, I ship them unironically

>>32108963
What the fuck is she talking about then? It was perfectly fine to ship coworkers when it was just the girls now you're a weirdo for doing it if there's males suddenly?

>>32108877
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Jb-LAEYKE

Don't know if OP has transcribed it exactly but it's at least very close.

>>32109122
Did you catch up on her lastest tweet yet catelog tourist ?

>>32109109
Welcome to Nijification.

>>32109168
Holy shit they actually talk to their audience like they are fucking retarded children it's not even funny its so condescending I don't know how anyone can stand this cringe.

>>32109221
I don't know how to break this to you pal, but most people who watch vtubers are either retarded, children, or both.

>>32109087
i mean do ppl actually think kronnii is hot? shes a bog standard korean who also happens to be legitimately brain damaged, u better be the best chick ever if Im gonna end up having to put up with her multiple stints in rehab due to pill addiction...real talk the way she rambles point to shes on some shit

>>32109109
I only ship kronii with ina's butthole.
https://streamable.com/x8yk5k

>>32109221
But they are retarded manchildren so it checks out

>>32109221
that's because they are cucks

>>32109221
most holofags are actual 12 year olds

Don't talk to my shark wife ever again you blue cunt clock. She's an idol and you are a whore.

So cringe she has to address this shit

>>32108796
Does Kronii think that people shipping their characters is the same as shipping them as co-workers?

>>32109301
she gets hit on by strangers, of course people think she's hot

>I think the people who know would already know, but, don't ship people! It's weird, especially when we're, uh, coworkers? Do you ship your coworkers?
>And I don't find anyone attractive.

>>32109353
ojay

>>32109292
Nah but you listen to that and her tone of voice it really comes across that what she trying to say is basically "maybe if you weren't pathetic nerd losers you'd understand blah blah blah" as nicely as possible "oh wittle baby wowied I might want the d?"

>>32109301
people like to take advantage of vulnerable retarded women so

>>32109221
That's the correct way to address cucks

>>32109385
kek'd

>>32109400
your akasupas will never make her feel this good
https://files.catbox.moe/9cnuua.mp3

>>32108796
Ahhh the shipeloni. Do you see it? Shipeloni! It's a joke, do you have friends haha? Shippers? I don't eat them. Because I take them off. Away!

>>32109168
Pretty retarded if you ask me
e.g. dress like a whore but ask people not to see you as one
Also, people who will make a fuss won't listen to Kronii's retarded/meaningless speech.
On the other hand, people who support Kronii won't make a fuss even without the speech. Therefore the speech is meaningless in all aspects, and made Kronii looked dumb

>>32109379
yes she's that retarded

>>32108796
>That's like polygamy, that's weird.
I honestly do not give a shit at all about this supposed "male collabs" drama but this one line is fucking hilarious.

A FUCKING MONKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>32109384
https://twitter.com/ourokronii/status/1564866697617887234

No, she's perfectly fine with joke lesbian ships, she just doesn't want anyone pointing out she wants Altare to fuck her.

>>32109401
yea until shes hopped up on 200mg of Adderall and thinks you cheated on her and has a knife to your throat

why dont people understand yet that kroni is gay?

>>32108796
Seriously Mori is the worst friend and the worst influence on people theres no way Knorii would say that on her own I can see Mori saying shit like ´´yeah dont worry these guys are cucks just tell them to fuck off´´

>>32109385
>2 year old ratt that isn't on nyfco org
oggey

>>32109526
The ultimate cope

>>32109475
is it still alive?

>>32109221
>>32109457
Jesus...I thought Kronii was smarter than that.
Flirt with male AND poor pr rep is a nasty combination. I can withstand either but not both.

Time to jump ship.

>>32109462
It would be funny, if that line angered woke schizos.

>>32109221
Why do you think most of the internet that's aware of vtubers and a good chunk of this website is laughing at holofans and calling them "bronies" or depicting them as wojaks? Usually every stereotype comes with a kernel of truth.

>>32109462
not even the first time she talk against polygamy

>>32109561
Surprisingly, yes. She talks about it on stream occasionally.

>>32109292
You can definitely do this without treating your audience like they're retarded children though. Listen to Mysta here he doesn't sound condescending at all
https://youtu.be/U9XsjYy1JX8

>>32109462
Yeah what is she implying there actually? That herself and Mori already are taken? They have to realize the image they sell us as characters isn't that at fucking all.

>>32109221
But they are addressing manchildren

>>32108796
HololiveEN never fails to make me cringe. What exactly are they trying to achieve by going against the grain?

>>32109400
It is really fucking cringe watching the losers who watch vtubers (me included) have to sperg out and beg their oshi's not to change the fantasy they are indulging in by watching hololive, but it is equally cringe that these women don't realise the kind of audience vtubers attract and just never break the fantasy in the first place, like the majority of JP talents and Gura.

Once the curtain gets pulled back everyone looks so much more pathetic if you just do your job and accept that a huge part of it is pandering to lonely and jealous men the spell can remain unbroken.
It doesn't have to be like this

>>32109109
She doesn't deserve dear leader.

>>32109221
Have you SEEN their audience?

>>32109221
>all these people excusing it going "well yeah vtubers are like that so they deserve it"

No. Who the fuck are you then? WHAT the fuck are you? Are you not a vtuber fan? Do you think an attitude showing that they think poorly of the viewers doesn't apply to you somehow?

Even if you're not a raging gachikoi, if they think the viewers are losers overall, you're still a loser in their eyes for spending tons of free time watching an anime girl play games. You're just not one that they have to actually-address out loud, they're happy to take your money and not ask questions and it's best you not ask what they really think.

>>32109457
This.
Kronii actually escalated the issue.

And she implied her actions were wrong in some sense. If male collab is nothing wrong at all, why did she have to address it? Does she have to explain murder or theft is wrong?
Low IQ move from Kronii. Shocking and disappointed.

>>32109700
Basically yeah you can argue it's sad that someone put in a position of so much influence/celebrity has extremely fundamental lack of understanding of the audience, why they're there, and why they need to never ever let the mask slip the entire for what they're doing to be effective / carry a suspension of disbelief effect from the audience.

Part of the fun of vtubers is the unreal disconnected feeling of watching someone who is both a real person yet totally not at the same time, and if they get too real/normal it breaks and you as a viewer feel like a dope when you consider you're watching some loser girl given way too much money with an anime filter on who doesn't even understand what she's doing there at all. It's like watching someone fuck up your order at a drive-thru, it's like "come on this is SO SIMPLE how the fuck could you not even do this right."

>>32109908
So how long until she does her Mori-tier yab?

>>32108796
I remember when Coco mentioned for just a couple of minutes Taiwan and it costed a lot to fix, Towas male voice in stream, Rushias fuck up, Aloes fiasco.Its pretty easy to fuck up and lose everything why act like this when people gets upset with you? (yes I know its ridiculous to get mad about it) this ´´Dont act like you are maidenless ehe ´´its just so carefree and its sad to see just how low value this job is to her

>>32109168
80% based, 20% cringe

>>32109301
shes fit, that alone puts her above 7 in North 'Murica

>>32108796
Calling a bunch of her fans incels is a bold move. At least half of EN are fucking parasites that should have been gatekept from the fandom, never mind being made into actual holos.

>>32109221
Let's be real here anon, the kind of person that genuinely believes the anime girl they're watching is their girlfriend and gets hurt by the mere implication of a penis being within 100 miles of their oshi is either a retard or a child and they need to be talked down to in order for any hope of them understanding the reality of things to exist

>>32108796
>y'know, and if we think logically, why would anyone date someone from the same workplace?
I don’t care about Kronii or HoloEN for that matter, but that just shows that she’s never worked a proper job in her fucking life.
Seldom have I seen a place where people engage so frequently and vicariously in relationships and casual sex than at work. The closer the ages of the employees are, the worse it is - but that doesn’t even matter that much. People just don’t think ‘logically’ when they‘re horny.
I mean, has anyone on this goddamn board ever been to a company christmas party? It’s Sodom and Gomorrah there.
What a weak-ass argument.

>>32108796
heh

>>32110038
From her POV it's exactly like that, she'll never know what the Unicorns feel or think about. All she sees are angry jealous antis who needs to be ignored

>>32110165
the older you are, the less this will happen. on the surface at least.

>>32109301
FUCK, I just got a boner...

>>32110158
They don't though listen to Mysta here address male and female shipping. He doesn't shame the people that do it or the people that feel uncomfortable about it. He just requests that people don't do it because it could make trouble for people because people can get the wrong idea.
>>32109620
That's all you need to say not some elaborate spiel implying you should know better than to possibly think to ship coworkers or worry about them having relationships topped off with insulting the audience as "maidenless"

>>32110165
I think it really depends on what industry you're in - and what level you're at in said industry. Retail was insane for this back when I was working shitty jobs trying to pay my way through uni, and the first entry level job I got in my career after uni was also pretty fucking bad for this - since then, it's not been that much of an issue at all.

>>32109475
That cat looks like it's ready to feast...

>>32109314
Kek, Mumei sounds so salty. Knowing her roommate behaviour that's a Woman moment to the max.

>>32108796
Why the fuck do i have to read War and Peace remastered

>>32110158
Yes they are retards and childs but still they keep paying and thats the point of this job but thinking that you have to talk them down to understand its just some Mori-level retardation expecting the world to be the way you want it to be but in the real world in a job things are not always going to be your way and you just have to suck it up even if its frustrating

>>32109775
>Do you think an attitude showing that they think poorly of the viewers doesn't apply to you somehow?
They do. That's why they're so vocal in screaming incel, or whatever buzzword is currently in vogue, at the people who don't like male collabs, they need to differentiate themselves to believe that they are superior.

I think a lot of tourists and perhaps even some of the more sane Kronies misunderstand why some of her long time fans are mad.
Nobody shat on Baelz, Ollie or Kobo (or any HoloID except Moona for that matter) when they did homo collabs because they were super upfront about doing them, either right from her debut or immediately after the end of the collab bans.
Mori didn't get much shit for the first TT collab, until she went there again, and once again as her roommate, and showed more enthusiasm and preparation for her Gigguk collab that the one with her genmate right before it.

Kronii had stayed away from homo collabs for the entirety of her career until now, and she cultivated a lot of gachis by sheer virtue of not telling them to fuck off (like Ame did for her goslings). She never said she WOULD collab with male VTubers, but she never said she WOULDN'T either. And considering the majority of the Holo atmosphere is CGDCT, this led people to naturally assume she would follow suit.

Obviously that was not the case, and she's now part of the Bae-Mori crowd of Holos who are open to male collabs. And Kronies who expected her to not do this are obviously feeling betrayed.
Not that I agree with them (they were retarded for ever going gachikoi for an EN in the first place) but I understand where they're coming from.
Betrayal - real or perceived - is the antithesis of being an idol.

>>32109122
It's damage control

God, I wanna have so much unprotected sex with Kronii

>>32109937
Yes, they are selling a fantasy, it may not be pure GFE for every hololive talent but it is always affectionate and fostering parasocial relationships is hololives bread and butter.

These girls are given so much opportunity under that established culture, a massive prebaked viewer base - decent to huge income, connections to make music, chance perform in lives and easy sponsorships.
All they have to do is spend the few hours they are on stream per day with their fans and maybe have a cursory understanding of why watching them laugh and have fun with other men might be unpleasant for their majority male fanbase who are lonely and unironically have romantic feelings for them.

Apparently that is too much to ask for the majority of EN at this point.
We had improve yourself, which now seems mild compared to "do you even have female friends?" "don't act maidenless"

>>32110165
workplace relationships are not un-common at all. the higher you climb the workforce ladder, the more common it gets. a friend of mine told me stories how much co-workers would fuck during business trips.

>>32110158
They are also the kind of person who is either going to completely ignore these sorts of messages or go anti over them.
So we just end up with normal viewers being patronised and lumped in with the luniatic crowd and the lunatics going ever more crazy. Making Kronii a moron for doing this at all.

>>32110158
Only the most delusional people actually believe that, but there is a huge proportion of people who still have feelings for the anime girl in question and don't want to watch them interact with men in the limited time they get to see them on stream, those two positions are not comparable.

>>32108796
https://twitter.com/SyllaAria/status/1564340325987938304
>Best friends
>Gets married

Remember that's how Nyanners's relationship started as well.
Never trust women when they say they're "just friends"

Its sad to see girls join Hololive expecting to earn money from their favorite hobby and have a wonderful time but instead they end up having a job as stressful as any other where they have to do the things they dont want to do like act like a high school girl with males and then say things like ´´Nobody fins me attractive or I thought you knew me better ´´ expecting a free card for a mistake

>>32109168
Honestly as someone who hated bae's response I think this was fine. It's more like taking a party like than bae's "dawww change is scawy" bullshit that ends up being way more moralizing. Maybe she's insulting people's intelligence by implying coworkers don't get together, but she's not riding some hobbyhorse to change hololive. At worst you could say she's awkward.
Bae is genuinely the worst one.

>>32111167
boo hoo my 10 hours a week "job" is so stressful

>>32111201
I'm gonna say this again and I think this honestly speaks for most of the board. I do not particularly care about male collabs. It sort of annoys me and I'd rather not see it if it's my oshi, but if it were to happen and that were the only thing then I probably wouldn't care too much.
What I do care about is wokeness infesting my hobby. I care about the idea that in five years half of vtubers might be going "uhhh sweaty?" And telling their viewers to "do better." Anything resembling a moral crusade against idol culture I want immediately shut down because any retard who thinks this shit is actually "idol culture" when it's girls sitting safe behind a screen is a fucking moron.
People like to infest hobbies to turn them into the exact opposite of what they used to be. These people are parasites. I don't necessarily think a girl like bae is a parasite. I just think she's a moron who will happily let the parasites in, like an idiot who'd eat a sandwich that's been on the ground for ten minutes.
I dont need unicorns. I just need my hobby free of westoids.

>>32111298
Grow some hair

>>32111167
Thats how a job works you get paid for shit you dont want to do

>>32111387
lost it all thanks too stress.

>>32111373
how soon people forget that kronii was rarted enough to drink the genderfluid

>>32111373
I know what you mean, anon. I'm also tired of woke shit ruining my favorite hobbies from the inside. But I think it's too late for HoloEN. It's already taken root. I mean, we just had that blue-haired twink from Tempiss flat out say, "ladies and gentlemen, and my non-binary friends." And don't even get me started with Kiara's past tweets before Hololive... She seems to have changed for the better, but it's possible she can regress.

It's over.

>>32108844
Keep trying, you're getting the response you're looking for eventually!

Ganbatte, Cuckold-kun!
Ganbatte! Ganbatte! Ganbatte! Ganbatte! Ganbatte!

>>32109700
This is what happens when you are handed an audience instead of earning it from the ground up. You barely even understand why they are watching you.

Redditors having fights with redditors without even trying to hide they're redditors, it's fucking over

>>32111666
I succeeded already

>>32110792
the 'old CEO fucking his secretary' trope must come from somewhere. Hell, I don't even have to look at my workplace - back in High School I had two teachers in an outright fistfight in the middle of the hallway because one fucked the others wife who was ALSO a teacher at the same school.
"Co-workers don't date" is peak deflection and Kronii explicitly pointing it out should worry clockcucks even more.
>Oh honey, Jody is just a co-worker helping me out with something. You don't have to worry, like omg, it would be SO awkward to have sex with him in OUR bed while you're on a work trip, right?! Trust me!

>>32108796
She’s such a clueless dork. Reminds me of my ex when she tried to apologize but end up cementing my decision to leave her.
Difference is my ex is genuinely autistic and did not have a corporation and manager around to help her.

The en management deserve scorn for letting this idiot nerd make this speech.

>>32111581
From my perspective I don't even really care about a few bones being thrown to dipshit zoomers. I don't really expect hololive to be basedtubers. I just don't want shit to turn preachy moralizing and prescriptively so.
Mostly I distrust the lapdogs that make up most of the EN fanbase. It's just true that weirdly the JP fanbase seems to do a good enough job of voting with their wallets. I just hate lapdogs. I hate Twitter. I hate reddit. I hate a modern feminist Vogue that has painted being a woman as being the greatest suffering ever undertaken, and the simps in the fanbase who will treat the occupational hazards of being a vtuber as being as bad as starving in a third world country.
I actually get the kinds of stress vtubers face. Any job will have its miseries, and imo vtubing will have miseries that are particularly bad for depression and anhedonia. It's still better than a real job. A million times so. These hazards should be understood and worked with, not pandered to.
God I just fucking hate the west.

Every single vtuber relationship I've seen so far is between them and another vtuber or another streamer.
How does she really expect us to buy that Hololive is any different within their circle?

>I just hate lapdogs. I hate Twitter. I hate reddit.
this can't be real

>>32111815
True enough. Japan has been really effective at keeping woke shit from taking hold of its society. Hundreds of years of experience, I'd say. But the west certainly feels like it's in its death throes.

>>32111167
These girls make brain surgeon money for a fraction of the effort
Pitying them is beyond retarded

>>32111935
Tell me what can't be real about it anon.

>>32108796
Can someone explain why this dumb bitch who hates men so much thought it was a good idea to get a job servicing them?

Kronii and Altare should collab more often to make everyone lose their minds. It will be funny if they did a valentines karaoke off-collab next year

she tried to warn us

You know what's really funny about this?
Magni joking about cucking his viewer right on stream right after
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Pzvu01v7Q

>>32111986
read the highgroundy, non committal, needlessly argumentative stuff you wrote, think about what's bad about said things, then realize that you sound just like one

Anti Cope Thread.

>>32108796
Hololive isn't special anymore.
>Do you not have friends
>improve yourself
>too lazy to stream
>talks to you like you are mentally challenged
What happened to cute girls doing cute things?
What happened to trying to become the best idol because of all the support the fans have given me?
Where are the colors and singing and laughter and hope?
Everyone is very condescending.
Even the remaining light
That is shining on my screen.

>>32112088
>BGM suddenly stops
kek

>>32112383

>>32109992
This is the mori tier yab mori had different levels of yabs this is on the same level as the cuckbeat yab

>>32112173
Pretty midwit take anon. "I hate shit" isn't a moral. It's me wanting the aesthetics of my hobby to stay aesthetic. There's a world of difference between having a strong conviction that something is higher quality when certain properties are realized than acting like it is a moral impetus to have those properties realized.
At the same time, notice that in no place did I attack these things for being hostile or bellicose. Not to mention there's a huge difference between venting in a containment thread and using a platform specifically made for broadcasting.
I'm painstakingly explaining this because I actually want you to understand. I don't think you will, but both of us can hope.

I heard even Reddit isn't backing her up on this, is that true?

>That's like polygamy, that's weird
this felt uncalled for

>>32112487
backing her up on her gaslighting?
I wouldn't know either way, I'm just enjoying the show inbetween grinding FGO

>>32112533
Isn't polygamy legal in Indonesia? Literally of Hololive's branches...

>>32110618
>wah wah wah my clock wife didnt explicitly say shed collab with males grrrrr
you guys need to grow the fuck up

>>32112533
Extrapolation and exaggeration to make something she feels acceptable before feel unacceptable so she can think she's convincing her audience better.

>>32110165
None of the boys are stupid or horny enough to throw away free money and attention in exchange for mediocre starfish sex, and none of the girls have enough executive function to book an unexpected flight to one of the boys of their own accord. Workplace degeneracy exists because of PHYSICAL PROXIMITY, which isn’t really a thing when your employees are scattered at least across the US, and shut-ins to boot

>>32108796
>That's like polygamy, that's weird
Women only complain when it's (You), then go take turns gargling blue isekai cock with a smile on their face.

>>32109221
Maybe stop acting like children retard

>>32112599
Sometimes I really don't get posts like this. Why are you even here if you're so clearly completely contemptuous of the entire conceit of Hololive? I'd at least get it if you thought there "needed to be a change." But posturing like you're mature and worldly when you're also presumably just another fag watching anime girls with low self esteem play video games is so crazy to me

>>32108796
>>32109168
This was probably one of the weirdest way to adress this I've ever seen.
Why is she talking about dating? Unicorns don't care if you actually date anyone. The simple fact you're in contact with a man is enough to make them feel like cucks.
>"You wouldn't date a coworker, right?"
Kronii 1/4 of total married couples met at work...
This was like a fever dream. She went on, on something vaguely related to shipping and vaguely related to unicorns but got everything wrong

>>32112624
You really think the Hologirls aren't rich enough to fly first class every single time they want to meet up?
Also the boys don't need to throw away anything, everything WILL be done behind closed doors, and we'll only maybe find out about it after either or both party graduates and they can't contain their need to brag about their wins.

>>32108796
She wouldn't need to have a talk like this if people knew what the fuck shipping was. When someone ships vtubers you're not supposed to believe they're actually dating IRL, it's just a fantasy situation.

>>32112703
Genuinely these girls will not be able to get laid mostly because the Tempus guys will reject them. Kroniis speech almost implies she got rejected. Wouldn't be surprised if she made it because she was feeling a little bitter about it and wanted to take it out on her fanbase.

>>32112624
What happens when the stars show up to record at Ame's home studio?

>>32112772

>>32108796

>do you ship coworkers

half their fanbase are NEETs who never worked a job in their life, and second half is kids

>>32108796
I'm glad I dropped her before this

>>32112760
Men are well known for turning down free sex with hot women.

>>32112383
Ina and Gura are the only lights EN has left, I don't want to believe either is capable of treating their fanbases as retard scum like that

REALLLY funny how the girls are choosing the boys that happen to be in NA and not the one living further away in Australia, isn't it?

>>32108796
give me the timestamp

>>32112810
Look even as someone who simps for some of these girls the best of them are 7/10 at most. The Tempus guys can literally just do better.

>>32112760
You are talking hypotheticals. It was also assumed that vtubers won't fuck their fan until it happened.

>>32112696
>>32112703
Gaslighting became an ascended meme. Altare is the guy she's telling you not to worry about. Chronocucks are the new deadbeats, teammates and rratfuckers.

>>32112695
Worse yet a lot of the vocal Holo critics here turn out to be hipsters grooming some hapless 2view or small-corpo girl and are actually far more predatory in nature. Or they're Niji or vshojo fans who are fine with not having nice things and rationalize it to themselves that the nice thing that Hololive does that gives it the winning edge is bad because Niji can't step up to their level. So they want to endlessly try to drag down Holo to make it fair in their minds. If you're 2cool4vt2bers being cute girls then you're not really about vtubers to begin with as a concept, at least not in this world where Hololive is the sole reason any of us are here.

>>32112533
that was based, at least she hasn't drunk so much woke juice she started celebrating polygamy

>>32112475
then just stop using unnecessary defensive speech patterns and hammering down on them, appealing to emotion etc
"oh, we need to help the depression, not make it worse!!", no one's gonna downvote you here, you don't need to protect your opinions behind that kind of shit

>kronii and ina practically restraining themselves from fingerbanging each other during an off-collab, kronii overheard saying she's going to smack ina's ass
board asleep
>kronii laughs at a male's joke
board goes apeshit

>>32112383
Hololive's been trying to stay away from the idol culture since a long time ago. And honestly, it's better this way. The community doesn't need schizos like you.

>>32112875
Men are notorious for only fucking one woman in their entire lives and turning down every other hot woman that tries to seduce them after that.

>>32112875
Unless you're a jealous fujo, there's no way you would think he would turn down free sex.

>>32112880
I'm just being real anon. I don't even watch tempus but I also understand that a decent amount of the fanbase they'll cultivate will actually be hotter than the EN girls. While it probably won't be true in reverse.

>>32108796
she couldnt have been any worse at adressing it, that was just awkward an didn't clarify anything.
why do they all suck at talking about this?

>>32112695
i'm not. i dont have an issue with the girls not wanting to collab with the guys. kiara has stated that pretty blatanly and wasnt an asshole of about it. i'm tired of idiots like you being mad because your presumed virtual girlfriend isnt explicitly telling you who she'll collab with and you troglodytes consider that "cheating". whether male collabs happen or not it doesnt fucking matter to me but i wish fucking idiots like you would stop acting like they're betrayed or some shit.

>>32112903
>Ok with cute girls
>Bad when man
How hard to understand?

>>32108796
I'm going to decipher her message
>Okay, so, yeah, about some of these new faces that I've been seeing. Uhhhh-ugh, aw man, I didn't think that I'd have to address this, but -
"What a pain in the ass, now I have to to deal with this shit" - this is what she was thinking
>okay, I think, I have to give you guys a little talk. I think the people who know would already know, but, don't ship people! It's weird, especially when we're, uh, coworkers? Do you ship your coworkers? Think about it, it's - huhuh - y'know, and if we think logically, why would anyone date someone from the same workplace? That's not being profe-everyone's being professional here, and why would they want to risk damaging their reputation? To be in a relationship with someone here?
She understand collab with male will lead to shipping and her reputation will be damaged. But she won't accept that because she is incapable of accepting the consequence of her action. She thought chat have never seen couple working in the same place before because she thought her chat are NEETs
>C'mon, think about it, and, realistically speaking? Hah... like... you guys know me better. It's weird, how, I-I guess it's hard for me to understand?
She couldn't find the solid point to clear their worries, so she expected their blind trust would help her out of this situation, but this situation happened because she betrayed their trust. It cleared up nothing.
>Like, we don't like every guy that we see or talk to. And the guys feel the same way too. Something called preference. And taste. C'mon! Hahuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu. Like, you guys are worried, that, ohh someone might like me, because-because I'm your oshi, right? But, not everyone finds me attractive. And I don't find anyone attractive.
This part mean she admitted she like some guys more than others, in this case, between 2 guys she collabed with, she found a guy she like more. But she worried he may find her not attractive enough (woman moment)
>Yeah. Kroni-Krobo-Kronii is amazing. No, no, I find myself attractive, obviously. Yeah, but, yeah. It's weird, and I know y-uh like some of these people are like trying to stir drama, but honestly, don't do that. Oh yeah! And then some people saying that my laugh all this time was fake-it's a joke, man, there are different ways to laugh. There's "hehehe," and "hahaha," and "HOHOHOHOHO". Yeah.
She tried to laugh it off, but found it cringe and stopped.
>Do you not have friends of the opposite sex though? Curious. Do you want to date your friend of the opposite sex? Like all of them? I don't think so. That's like polygamy, that's weird.
She thought all of you are 3yo children who never read or watch romance before. Love bloom from friendship is an extremely common concept, especially in Korean dramas. The polygamy part is a remnant of her dream as a princess being chased by chads after the collab (yes she's kind of fucked up her narrative there).
>Like, you have, like, sorry, but you're not my type. Exactly, we all have types. And yeah
She basically said: "I'll never love you" to chat
>Moral of the story is, you guys find me attractive because I'm your oshi - which, by the way, thank you, I'm very flattered - but not everyone finds me attractive. That's the thing, some people don't watch me because they're not interested in the way I stream, they don't like my style, and that's okay. You know what I mean? It's because they have preferences.
She blamed chat because they didn't support her enough, so she has to do the collab. Like a cheating wife blame her husband didn't give her enough money.
> Yeah. Do you, uh, are we on the same page? Wow, well, they're gonna twist my words anyway, but I'll try to be as clear as possibl-I THINK I've been clear. Same webpage, pftsk. Ahh... yeah, so anyway, don't bother me with that. Like, man, it's absurd. I just wanted to say more, but I think I've said my piece. Yeah, anyway, I'm just gonna ignore any other messages that you guys, uh, that some of you people send, new faces, so... ahh... yeah, sorry about that in advance. Even if it's aka, I can't read it, cause I don't wanna cause trouble for the other people and whatnot ANYWAY, I think-I think this is enough. Don't apologize, I mean I'm pfft-tt-hahahahahahahahahaha-I'm being sassy
"Fuck, this is so troublesome. I must stop here. Their SCs are making me lose composure" - Kronii mind
>Ahh, okay. Well anyway, Kuroyasumii, and hope you guys have a great one! Yeah! And remember, don't act like you're maidenless! Yeahhhh!
Kronii version of "Later, virgins" with a smug on her face

>>32112829
ina has literally collabed with and interracted with males SEVERAL TIMES

WHY DO NONE OF YOU FUCKING PEOPLE WATCH STREAMS

>>32109069
shes to scared to separate them into men and women even though its fucking clear that that is the issue. pathetic really

>>32112895
??? Are you stupid? Why would I say something completely against this place's Vogue if I was just avoiding criticism? I genuinely believe what I said about anhedonia. I have long and complicated thoughts about it but I'm typing on a phone. Read between the lines a little anon, Christ.

>>32112917
Yeah sure, Holofes and all these 3D lives and song releases just exist in a coincidental void, totally not idols guys. Cover isn't 100% there, but they do try to maintain some semblance of it. Yagoo himself always wanted to make some AKB-like thing with it, he fucking said so himself. He also knows it can't adhere to the actual idol industry standards in most ways, but the fundamentals are still in the background.

Improve yourself anons!

>>32112829
Ina openly thinks her fans are pathetic losers, what the fuck are you on about?

>>32110618
I'm not that deep in this hololive/idol shit and even I understood why they were mad.
Maybe because I've been around the block, maybe because I hate people in general and refuse to spend money on people but I was immune to a lot of streamer shit and never fell into parasocial traps.
I think it also helped that I was always put off by camgirls so twitch whores like Amouranth were instant turn offs (I also hate plastic surgery'd cunts and fake redheads).
So it saddens me that so many people just don't have the will power to see past the illusion or cant differentiate entertainment from "intimacy" (if you can even call what GFEs provide as intimacy).

>>32112829
Gura and IRyS you mean?
Ina has already said to welcome tempus as new members of the hololive family. And honestly of all the girls Ina has managed to dissuade gachikois pretty well by virtue of maintaining a strong emotional distance from her fans to the point where I wonder if any takos would actually raise a fuss if she did collab with them.

>>32112974
Michael and who?
The PSO didn't even have a CONVERSATION between the two of them.
Unless you mean drawing art of them means collabing

>>32112972
tell me you never watched Kronii without telling me.

>>32112893
She doesn't want to be in your harem. Kronii wants to be in Altare's.
>>32112903
Girl in girl is hot. If Ina kept herself in decent shape, I'd both of them. Why would anyone be made a out a BOGO deal?

>>32111581
altare didnt really say that that was a fake screen shot made by someone who was mad at the kronii unirons

>>32112972
nice blog sister

>>32109700
Second part hit the nail on the head. Vtubing is basically just appealing to lonely people and if these women can't put their insatiable lust for cock on the shelf for a few fucking hours to do their jobs and then complain about their fans, they deserve the hate

>>32112972

>>32108796
anyone screenshoted the aka supas shes talking about? I wanna know what the "new faces" were saying that made her say this.

>>32112985
and of course he's a phone poster

>>32109168
The comments section are suddenly filled with people making fun of shippers. She basically concocted a completely different narrative while simultaneously shitting on shippers as a community. Heartily keked.

>>32112943
You're kinda strawmanning here. But I also am not invested enough in this conversation line to continue while I'm on phone. Suffice to say, I think expectations were pretty reasonable in a parasocial context but different strokes for different folks I guess.

>>32112917
>The community
kys tourist

>>32113103
Well I'm glad you got to save anonymous face. Cuck.

>blah astaire blah
>also fuck polygamy, fuck niggers, fuck kikes
>blah blah vesper

>>32112695
protip : they aren't holoviewers

>>32113077
>and then complain about their fans
Kronii is unironically a stuck up bitch who really doesn't realize what men's lives are like and guzzlers the women's oppression narrative like Mori chugs lean. This was inevitable. We still wanted a redemption arc though, but it turns out she really couldn't be fixed.

>>32113001
Gonna need a source to that claim
>>32113009
>Ina has already said to welcome tempus as new members of the hololive family.
This has nothing to do with her doing a collab. It's not like they will vanish after all.

>>32109221
>talk to their audience like they are fucking retarded children
well yeah, it's their job.
they're larping anime girls and have to tip toe around an audience can't handle the fact that the characters they portray aren't real.
you know, like the children that throw a tantrum when they find out there aren't real princesses at Disney world.

>>32113098

https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/archive/superchat/QUPjHbpJ0YY.html

>>32109380
Anon even fat, ugly girls with bad personalities in america/canada get hit on

>>32113117
Shippers are lame shit for sure but it's also a total red herring vs the actual beef people have with her breaking boundary.

All that flirty shit she's done with Irys, Ina etc all looks fake, like kayfabe, when she's actually the same way with dudes as it turns out + she gets super fucking defensive about it trying to make some convoluted excuses for it. As has been said several times this thread she really doesn't fucking understand the issue at all.

>>32113016
watching the short immediately disproves this which further proves my point that you are a fake fan

>Do you not have friends of the opposite sex though? Curious. Do you want to date your friend of the opposite sex?

>>32113177
>cuck

>>32113009
>>32113001
>>32112974
A lot of people don't watch Ina, let me enlighten you.
She started out saying she loves us almost every other stream.
She then mentioned that love is a strong word and implied that it should be used when it counts.
During her anniversary and after her vacation, during the outro, she once again says that she loves us.
During one of her HL streams, she also says that she will continue being with us, even until the last tako watches her.
Even as the world is ending, she would still stream, and she hopes we would still watch.
She first added the prop of her hugging a tako for watchalongs and used it regularly during members, nowadays she uses it occasionally in non-member streams as well, fully replacing Buritto, the stuffed toy she cuddles and sleeps with, with a tako. It doesn't take a genius to see that she's replacing the image of her using Buritto as a comfort object with takos since she feels comfort from them too.
It might not feel as strong of a love as other Holomems and their fanbases, but Ina has explicitly said that she isn't one that displays strong emotions to begin with, and yet she goes out of her way to display these emotions with the takos.
But unfortunately, the meme that she hates her audience is way too juicy to pass up on

>>32113225
>an audience can't handle the fact that the characters they portray aren't real
The audience knows, and shows up exactly because they're expected to perform. Imagine going to a restaurant and the waiter just hands you shit on a plate. Obviously you're gonna shove it in his face because that's clearly not what you paid for. It's also obnoxious and disrespectful, and then the other customers start wondering if there's shit in their food. Eventually everyone leaves because they don't trust that place anymore.

>>32109455
Wew

>>32113293
I don't even like kronii anon

>>32113267
> she really doesn't fucking understand the issue at all.
That's what I mean. In misinterpreting all the shitflinging she created a whole different narrative about shippers (?) and everyone who's none the wiser is just eating it up. It's so stupid that I can't help but just laugh it all off.

>>32113004
True, I've been watching Hololive since 2019 and the only things I spent money on could be counted in a single hand.
I've got my money's worth for most of them (despite a lot of it being stuck at sea) but I'm not - and never will be - membered to anyone.
I don't have enough time in the day to even watch all the free streams, no way I'll be able to watch memberships, so there's no point it doing that other than to feel good about "muh supporting them".
Which is still a fine mentality to have. It allows people like me to watch this stuff for free.

>>32113138
>phone poster
cringe
>I think expectations were pretty reasonable in a parasocial context
holomems always interracted with males (miko and fubuki especially) until it was profitable to no longer do that once gen3 came and changed the game. the only thing thats reasonable to think here is that you're a trend chasing newfag who watches boring ass streamers with the hopes they'll become your girlfriend

but yeah I'M strawmanning. and YOU'RE too cool to continue. sure buddy.

>>32112978
Why can't she just split them into men and women? Even NijiEN members have said it's fine to ship me with the boys but don't shop me with the girls because that might cause problems. There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying that.

>>32112972
I could almost see her thought bubble with this one. Thanks for the decipher.

>>32113221
It's true her statement doesn't mean she will collab but I was mainly taking issue with Ina being put alongside Gura when it comes to stars acceptance.
Gura is STILL not acknowledging their existence in any way shape or form, as far as I know only IRyS is holding out like that at this point.

Pssst. Do you want someone that has the appeal of Kronii but doesn't collab with males? Downside is that she will be extremely parasocial,

>>32113384
Not too cool I just am not as annoyed by you as other posters. But now that you posted orange woman my brain does kinda see you as a runt

>>32113347
are you seriously this much of a newfag

>>32113423
Doesn't sound like a downside at all.

>>32112383
>talks to you like you are mentally challenged
Anon...look at this board. She collabed with men ant it caused a shitstorm here despite the fact that she never said she wouldn't collab. In other words, some anons had their fantasies shattered and have decided to go full ape. I thought kpop fans were crazy because "women stuff" but when I look at this board, it makes those crazy women seem normal.

>>32113423
Give me THE DRUGS

>Ok are these women pretending or do they actually not understand
They genuinely don't. I mean, they're women after all. If they FEEL good around a male coworker, then it's all justified in their head.
It doesn't matter if they've actively cultivated a fanbase of thirsty simps/incels/virgins/whatever new term for lonely men is trendy, who all developed a weird parasocial relationship with them. They're not oblivious to the kind of audience they have, they just... don't care. After all, you're just a blob of text and money, not a cool guy who can hop on VC at any time and make them laugh and feel desirable. Cool guy + feels good = all is right with the world.
It's basically the friendzone on a massive scale.

You know, someone could probably write a decent academic paper on the topic.

>>32113429
>LE ORANGE WOMAN BAD
hahaha hoooly fuck phoneposter you are something else. alright, into the airlock with you

>>32111090
The norm is that women don't become friends with men unless they're either trying to bait simping or get in their pants. Obviously there are exceptions, but those are exceptions for a reason.

>>32113393
Gura and Irys will fall to peer pressure. Jannies will demand a paycheck after pulling an all nighter cleaning up the mess. /vt/ will become unusable, and I'll be there to say "I told you so."

>>32113333
based rrat slaying tako, I'll give you a (You) out of respect.

>>32113333
I am sorry tako, I was the one saying strong emotional distance not that she hates her fans but your post was informative and cute I am glad she opens up like that with her fans and I retract my statement.

>>32113486
you people are so fucking sad and pathetic

>>32108796
Let's ship her with Altare, just to make her mad lol.

>>32113448
>>32113481
legit I am not even being contentious anymore but my brain feels like it's winning because "newfag" and "phoneposter" are such benign insults that I don't know why you wouldn't just say something meaner

>>32113522
Yes, that is the target demographic vtubers have always appealed to. How could you tell?

>>32113537
hey what happened to no longer engaging because you're so above it phoneposter?

>>32109700
What that other anon said, especially with council, you can really see the ramifications of just being given a free audience, pic related keeps getting proved right

>>32113458
>>32113463
Oceane from Kawaii. She has similar voice as Kronii. Her karaoke is good with a lot of English songs too unlike Kronii.

>>32113522
Just stating my experience. I don't know why this is the case, but it seems to be cultural with how prevalent it is. I don't think there's anything genetic or whatever that causes it, but it is what it is

>>32113491
If Gura falls I will make vt my oshi for a week to watch the meltdown then check out of this hobby forever. But I have faith in Gura.

>>32113567
I didn't even say that... I wasn't as invested in that line of argument... Which we aren't on anymore. At this point we're literally just jerking each other off and I'm not even disliking it

>>32113587
I hope you find less terrible people in your life because holy fuck

>>32113528
Honestly, this is the best thing that could happen but it won't because nobody's actually mad at her, they're just larping.

>>32113537
newfag, you (You)'d two different people that aren't being mean, just making fun of you

>>32112624
Funny you should mention it, Ame specifically got a california office for IRL collabs and many of the guys live in close proximity

>>32113601
>I'M NOT INVESTED
>Continues replying
jesus fucking christ hahahahahahahha you might as well scream "IM NOT OWNED I'M NOT OWNED!!!!"
well im gonna go back to writing my thesis enjoy looking like a permavirigin phoneposting idiot on the internet sweaty ;-)

>>32112772
I was the first to adress this when Ame propossed the idea of the Homemade studio, sadly nobody grudged postme wrong that time.. time sure flies when you're having fun

>>32113611
Unfortunately I've long since realized that most people are shitty. I acknowledge that much. Again it is what it is, people have to deal with the way most people behave. I don't like it either

>>32112875
Kroni, just stop talking. Like, now.

>>32113660
I wasnt invested in that argument. Which we're not continuing. Largely because I didn't pick it back up.

>>32113676
you should really consider prozac friend

>>32113660
i think they just meant that since they're phoneposting they aren't gonna type big in-depth replies, not that they aren't gonna reply

>>32113522
Had 2 friends of mine immediately get together after my female friend said she dumped her bf, my other friend immediately crawled at the chance to be with her LITERALLY in the same week.
They're now dating, even though my male friend has said multiple times that our friend group should stay as just friends and to keep the group relationship free to avoid changing any dynamics, which everyone agreed to.
Funny isn't it?

>>32112599
Okay cuck-kun

>>32109221
How else can you explain this fucking stupid behavior from them.

>>32108796
Wow, Japanese fans are vocal about the new collab and they are not happy. They're discontented with the way Altare is getting close to their oshis and the whole gender mixing. I guess they were holding out for an unspoken collab ban. There's even a petition that's garnered thousands of signatures to keep Tempus separate from from the rest of Hololive. Obviously that won't happen but it shows how unhappy they are.

>>32113459
Do you think if someone is talking to you like this, it's a sign of respect? And stop with your kpop allegory, it only reveals where you people came from.

>>32113766
Did that actually happen? That's based if true. Japan saving us. If it's Japan then EN management surely has to listen.

>>32112917
No, the holoEN girls are just lazy about coming out with good content and just want to leech off men like the nijiEN/vshojo girls

>Virtual youtubers are the property of their chat and should never talk with coworkers of the opposite sex.

>Given the amount of revenue chat members donate to their favourite streamer, they should be treated with more respect.
>Streamers who fail to show respect to their chat members should offer their bodies in compensation for one week.

>>32113336
>Imagine going to a restaurant and the waiter just hands you shit on a plate
nah man. you went in expecting one type of food and they're serving another, plenty of people are still enjoying it. what's obnoxious and disrespectful is demanding a restaurant change their menu at your behest like they're your servants.

>>32113267
For sure. I've had friends, one's that I would consider fairly stable people, who self-identify as "shippers" but acknowledge that shippers are the worst fucking part of any "fan community". They just happen to be a nice scapegoat that Kronii has convinced herself about while still make money hand over fist

>>32113766

Schizo nation at it again

>>32108796
Please draw her getting rawdog by them kek

>>32113766
links or i call bullshit

despite all of this I bet no one who is mad will even call out her next time she tries to fake flirt with one of the girls

>>32112383
EN isn't special anon, it never was and we warned all you fags when /vt/ was being created
Female EN streamers are always a race to the bottom

>>32113766
Nice copypasta

>>32113838
It's a little more like being the only restaurant in town that served your burgers on brioche and uses high quality beef, and then a new chef comes in and one day decides to use the cheap stuff.

>>32113879
We can just expect to see less kronmei art from now on, even though both kronii and mumei constantly like and retweet them

>>32113879
>fake flirt

>>32113838
yes which is what you are doing demanding every girls streams with males

What you don't know is that many of the girls don't actually have interaction with real males, so for them is pretty easy to develop attraction/romantic feelings especially when the other part is fun and energetic. You guys in the chat are nothing to the streamers individually and will never be.

>>32111090
>>32113486
>Best friends
>Gets married
Yes I will never trust women again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKpiLsEPcq0

>>32109168
What an awkward segment

>>32113935
It's a little more like expecting the theme park character not to smoke in front of guests and having the theme park character grandstand about the fact that they're human too, and people smoke, and they're in a free country and have the freedom to smoke and it wasn't a smoke free area. And also smoking doesn't even cause lung cancer

>>32112972
Why am I not surprised that this board has devolved into mansplaining rather than accept the girls have a point about the degenerate creeps that make up a tiny fraction of the fanbase.

>>32113820
NijiEN girls have much better content than HoloEN tho. They actually have to try to keep an audience and build it to a decent size. If they started streaming twice a week for a few hours on one game like HoloEN does they'd lose all audience they built fast as fuck.

>>32113935
Agreed on the second sentence which is why it is so important to the illusion that they don't bring males on stream to have fun with.

The first part though dyrbi? That is what is so frustrating about the whole thing, they can get as much male interaction as they want in their private lives where nobody has any power to control their behaviour nor should they.

>>32113900
more like he added onions (which you hate in this scenario) to your favorite burger one day, without it actually showing the change on the menu and you only found out when you ordered it.

so you get annoyed, and he goes on a long diatribe about how you need to just accept the onions and not complain.

>>32113879
Women aren't the same thing as men.

>>32114009
They have a point. People don't deny this. Even the spergs themselves don't deny this. What people complain about is how insanely twisted it is to exploit that very audience and then turn around and treat them like they're a problem and shit on them when they're a major, major reason the talent is even successful.

Kronii mating press

>>32114009
>Mansplaining
If this is bait, you got me to bite. If you're actually calling this mansplaining you're essentially saying any time a man makes an emphatic point he is aggressively browbeating a woman. In this case not even that, because no one's talking to kronii. They're talking to each other about kronii. So you're asserting a man having a different opinion from her and venting is man splaining.
If you're a woman, then you're a disingenuous piece of shit.
If you're a man, you are an honest to God lapdog.
If you're baiting, you got me.

>>32110165
Asking you to stop being cringy incel virgin retards means she never had a job? You never had a girl friend get fucked. You faggots got absolutely destroyed. She even laughed during this apology and ended it by telling you to find a woman and touch grass TOP KEK

>>32114009
Can you tell me which healthy-minded individual would donate 100+ dollars multiple times to a STREAMER that only plays games and chats?
Rather than, you know, spending it on themselves or investing it.

>>32113522
He's generally right, any time any woman expresses intent to get close to a guy, its generally for subconscious romance stuff
To be fair, it's generally the same for men as well, but men are a lot more forward about it and will tell a girl he likes her so he isn't wasting time
Women however do like to larp as friends while just wanting to jump their pants, they use friendship as a way to bypass awkward dating and get close to someone, men rarely realize that women are doing this intentionally and it's because women never push for the relationship as much as they just make themselves easy access to the man in question

Look at pic related, most women can tell exactly what millie is doing because they've done something similar
Ease of access is generally what most women's dating strategy is nowadays, and since the pandemic, most of these interactions have moved online

>>32113900
but it is the same chef. it's still disrespectful and entitled to demand they cook the way you want.
even if it is shittier food it's their prerogative. it doesn't matter if you've eaten their years, that chef isn't your friend and you don't get to tell someone how to run their business.

>>32114009
unfortunately, the said degenerate creeps are the backbone of this community
we always and have been here way before even Kronii grow her first pube

>>32108796
This is truly pathetic.
Imagine following EN after this

>>32114097
And then all the other wait staff start acting like assholes and backing him up, because the place down the street puts onions on their burgers, they want the customers from that place and have made the calculation that it's more profitable to compete for their customers than keep serving what (You) like.

Keep in mind, they wouldn't do that to antifa because black blocks would burn their restaurant down to the ground. But they'll do it to (You), because you're impotent and wouldn't kill anyone for putting onions on your burger. And that's why you'll always get onions on your burger, because the chef isn't afraid of making you eat them.

>>32114149
>the man seething about a anime girl playing with games with men due to his deluded cuckold fantasies is calling anybody a lap dog.

>>32114249
>unironically posting pippa
hahahahahhahahahahahahahha

>>32114258
Not really? The chef belongs to a brand. The brand has certain expectations that have been set with customers. Telling the chef after they made it shittier to please make it the old way is just... Basic capitalism. Please tell me you ain't a commie, son

>>32114226
nobody is forcing you to do that, i've been enjoying streams without ever donating a dime

>>32114043
It depends, nijiEN's events are definitely second fiddle to holoEN's, but nijiEN actually streams a lot more so it's hard to really say holoEN actually even try to make content outside of kiara

>>32114354
Good on you for that, you're sane.
Now are you going to ignore how much money each of the girls makes?

>>32114336
Have you looked into her past m8? She's literally done the same thing, that's why its perfect

>>32114333
I might be a dipshit and lonely but if I'm being hostile and seething then I'm definitionally not being sycophantic in the way I detest.

>>32114400
it's not their responsibility to stop you from making retarded decisions

>>32114351
And to further add, the chef is nothing without customers paying for the food

>>32114482
What's funny is I am literally a food service manager and baffled anyone thinks the customer has no right to complain

>>32111201
>>32111373
Except that Bae has addressed this once again recently. This is way off the mark to her current stance.
Bae has no intentions of changing Hololive because she knows about "that side" to it
She doesn't hate unicorns and knows such a side to Hololive exists which is why she doesn't mention the homos to other girls on stream like ever. She doesn't want to destroy the relationships some girls have carefully developed with their fanbases.
She also hates being shipped with the males and she shut down homobegging and shipping on stream, her priority in such collabs is always professionalism first and foremost in her own words so she certainly doesn't want the hetero shipping crowd and just wants to have fun for herself.

This collab was organized by Mori and Kronii already didn't mind a collab in the first place so don't give me the "Bae dragged Kronii" bullshit
She was invited just like the rest

>>32114535
same here, a single strand of hair mixed on their food and you are finished.

>>32114535
Literally "the customer is always right" is one of the most cliched sayings in any service industry. I guess the Japanese don't know it. Or EN management.

>>32114592
Alright anon I give. I only saw some early stuff she said and I haven't watched her because she's loud and annoying. But this seems pretty reasonable and I can see her saying this. I've lightened up a bit on her recently. I still can't stand her in collabs and that probably influences how I interpret what little I see as far as stances. That said the dawwww attitude still annoys me.

>>32113838
Sounds like a shitty restaurant. Here’s the (you)

What are some vtubers to watch if I am an adult and not retarded

>>32114351
The fuck capitalism and communism has to do with subhuman trash like you being retarded kek what a fucking cope.

>>32114682
none

>>32114592
There's this annoying delusional tendency basically all these girls have where they think they can have their cake and eat it too, that they can have male collabs and also be neutral and tightrope and not annoy their gachikoi but also pander to... what exactly, their own desires to collab with them? And come off completely scot-free? I think it's a fantasy they sell to each other and nothing more. Hell, I know it's that actually.

All this talk of shipper shit reeks of Kronii having consulted Mori, as one of the first things Mori said was "don't ship me with them that's disgusting" which is not at all what people fucking care about with this in the slightest.

>>32114651
I don't even adhere to that and in fact go a lot further for my employees than most places in the area. We have a lot of employee loyalty and retention because we view them as equals to the customer. But theres this huge millennial zoomer idea that because Karen's are sometimes assholes everyone else should turn into door mats and accept any service they're given is fucking stupid. I run a restaurant because I have pride and I put a lot of effort into it. If customers just had to shut up and accept any shit I put out then I'd have ZERO pride.

>>32114704
Wow this one lost his mind

>>32114351
>Telling the chef after they made it shittier to please make it the old way is just... Basic capitalism
lol what? the capitalist way is letting the chefs do whatever they want and also letting them fail based on the market. that's literally what's happening right now. and people are still coming back to this brand despite how shit you claim their management is.
also letting customers dictating how private companies run is essentially communism, you somehow got it backwards.

>>32113820
What was the last big EN project? Was it Calli's TTRPG? After that they just leeched off whatever JP is doing.

>>32114731
You can't reasonably apply this to Bae, she made her stance clear from the beginning and her fanbase is on-board with her decisions which is why they went off on her for such collabs
It's the tourists that have a problem with a girl they don't watch

>>32113777
No, I don't think I will. Every single person who doesn't live under a rock knows how crazy those fans are and the fact that I even had to compare them to deranged schizos from /here/ should be telling how low part of this community has fallen. As for showing respect, you don't really believe any of HoloEN girls respect their fans, do you? When it comes to showing "respect", Kronii, Ame and Mori are less filtered than let's say Gura or Fauna but you'd have to be delusional to think any of the girls actually respect their fans after finding out what kind of people watch them. You're all just walking money banks to them and at least Ame had the guts to tell it so on stream.

>>32114682
towappi, choco, matsuri, luna (if youre allergic to males), fubuki, oren kaga, pochimama, hanamaru, debiru, shu yamino, shishiro botan are the ones i watch

>>32114773
That's... Not communism. You really really need to read up.
And market failure isn't the only way to influence a restaurant... A restaurant doesn't want to just not fail. They want to make profits and expand profits. Customer feedback saying a burger sucks is necessary for improving. Kids like you who don't know anything about the world really annoy me

>>32114811
(me)
"Didn't go off on her

>>32114682
Tempus

>>32114823
>You're all just walking money banks to them

>>32114793
All the ame shit

I'm just gonna do what I always do; Blame Omega.

>>32114849
Anon, you are basically debating about how the world works with 7 years old boy who steal his mom's credit card to send SC to anime girls

>>32112810
>hot

>>32114823
>As for showing respect, you don't really believe any of HoloEN girls respect their fans, do you?
So are you an anti or a white knight. God this is why tourists are insufferable.

>>32108796
The retard clock should just own up to it and double down OR apologise No this crap.

>>32114972
Loserbait is very hands off when it comes to tard wrangling these girls

>>32114750
Answer the question what does that has to do with you being an incel retard.

Gura's the last EN I'm subscribed and membered to. But I get the feeling she won't swim against the tide and also collab with men just like the rest of her friends. And then she'll go on the same indirect tirade of calling me a virgin incel or whatever.

>>32114972
>le omega scapegoat
Not this time, Yugi. Ouro Kronii created this mess for herself then dumped the dirty water bucket onto it in an attempt to wash it away...before turning up her nose and running away.

>>32115126
He is however the one who pushed for EN to not seperate Stars from the girls.

>>32113392
Glad I could help

>>32115133
that's not the same anon as me anon

>>32114592
and you buy that lol bae is the typical cute western chick that knows how to tell faggots like you anything they need to

>>32115138
Allegedly ghosts her fans to play vidya with men. It's over, chumcuck.
>>32115189
Implying there's nobody above him who could pull rank. They probably just saw Luxiem and thought OOOOHHH MONEY.

>>32115154
It's worth saying that some of these chuubas probably dont even realize how sentiments distribute through their fanbase. A lot of her language suggests she thinks that it's only a really small group of schizos and particularly new schizos who are unicorning. Since she sees them as "new people" she might have even thought they were just antis.
Considering that someone like kronii probably just reads the YouTube comments, she might have been caught genuinely off guard how much of her fanbase is unicorns. To be honest I'm not even sure how much is unicorns considering I don't have access to metrics

>>32111666
fuck off, Satan

Why is she saying don't ship people it's weird when shipping the females with each other has been encouraged in Hololive forever? What she actually means is don't ship them with the males. But then ask yourself the question why is it weird to ship them with the males but not the females? Because in her mind the relationship with the male actually has a chance of happening while the relationship with the female is obviously just fiction and fanservice.

>>32115268
>Allegedly
I figure you're just saying for posterity, but lets be real; you're in denial if you think that's not true.

>>32112703
hey look everyone its a drooling nigger that thinks holomems are worth 8 figures...u fucking retard stop speaking.

I just want to lick Kronii

>>32114354
If you never pay a single dollar, you will never understand the feeling of her paid customers. Also your greyname opinion is invalid

>>32115358
I would hope Hololive has a no talents dating each other rule. It seems to be kinda between the lines of what she's saying. If you read the way she talks it genuinely sounds like
>We can't date anyway
>Also even if I think he's cute
>He doesn't think I'm cute
>So yeah stop malding I'm unhappy too

>>32114670
Fair enough, not everyone can like the rat but she's a genuinely nice girl

>>32112875
People don’t understand that Vtuber avatars make men and women more attractive for different reasons—it improves women’s looks, but it improves men’s ability to SELL A FANTASY. The Tempus men would not have gotten in if they were abject losers or hideous—losers cannot sell a fantasy to fujos or men, and “ugly” shows in the personality. As a man attracted to women, Magni’s PL is legitimately hotter than any EN Hologirl PL

>>32114849
mcdonalds is notorious for having the shittiest burgers in the industry and yet has the highest profits. so I have no idea where you're expecting from this metaphor.
I mean wow that's a naive take. there are dozens of examples of restaurant chains making fundamental changes to how they do things and customers hating it. sometimes they go under, and sometimes it's a massive success. it's not nearly as simple as just listening to the customer.
you have some fundamental misunderstandings about how capitalism works, it's not something I'm going to expain over fucking 4chan.

>>32113900
It's not the only restaurant. It's not even the best restaurant for that menu.

>>32115475
I do think they're all nice girls anon... I've been phoneposting and criticizing kronii this whole thread but I honestly think she's a really nice girl. The holomems tend to be.

>>32115499
McDonald's doesn't have the shittiest burgers in the industry. If you really think big Macs are worse than whoppers, or Hardy's, or rallys, or any third tier restaurant then you're an idiot consumer who has bought into memes. McDonald's fast food burgers are midd tier.
I literally run a restaurant that is the most successful of its niche in a tourist area. Shut the fuck up

>>32115321
I firmly believe it's the people around her doing what women always do, and lying to her about how she's right and everyone else is a hater. It's also supposedly what they do with overweight women. Instead of telling them the truth like a man would, they lie and gaslight her into believing she's doing nothing wrong (fat positivity!) while wringing their hands at the thought of sabotaging a secual/economic competitor.

And of course guys won't tell her the truth because they wanna angle to fuck her, which means kronii not having an actual bastard wifebattering boyfriend around who cares enough to tell her the truth is exactly what'll kill her unicorn fanbase and turn her into just another pseudo-Niji drop in the bucket. Without boorish men around to stop them, women will always spiral downward into shit life choices.

>>32115602
Also I have partial ownership

>>32115471
Is the opposite, Matsuri talked about it and so did Aloe rm. Hololive only allows talents to be open about their relationships as long they're dating someone form inside, talent or staff.

If it's someone from outside, it needs to be kept secret and out of streams. Cover doesn't care about these things "morally", the rules are for privacy reasons.

>>32115471
Yeah but why is it weird to ship with males but it was never weird before to do it with females? What's the difference there that makes it weird with one gender and not with the other. The obvious difference to me would be that males are real potential romantic partners while females it's just a funny joke they do on stream for fans rather than anything ever having a shot at being something realer than that, it's being done for the purpose of shipping to begin with.

>>32115701
>why is it weird to ship with males but it was never weird before to do it with females?
She's a lesbian.

>>32114773
>In communism, people is allowed to demand improvement of the service
If that was true communism would be a good thing. Unfortunatelly, communist give everyone the same shit no matter how customer complain

>>32114682
VSPO

>>32115701
Because she can like one and not the other.

There are male vtubers that straight up said they don't want to be shipped with other guys too, one very recently even lashed at his viewers about it and said to keep it out of his art tag and out of his sight.

What would your position about it? Because most guys that I see complaining about it are people that hate gay stuff in particular

>>32115723
that's forever going to be a "DYRBI" take from now on. this is the damage kroners actually did, people liked her being cute with Irys so much, and now that'll all just feel fake and hollow/corporate mandated.

it doesn't matter if we may have never really-believed it the whole time anyway as we know irys is straighs... it's just their flirty banter is (was) so fucking ultra cute to see and in the context of the absence of contradictory evidence, seeing their antis was very entertaining. it's a suspension of disbelief thing. now in the scope of 1 day we went from kronii feeling like a cute yuri-ish anime girl to a bitchy proudly-ignorant real-life woman shitting on her fans for reasons she doesn't even really understand.

what a shame.

>>32109700
The thing is, they aren't obligated to play into your autistic bullshit fantasy. Not at all. You act like entitled children, hence the talk down she gave. You aren't obligated to watch or give her money either, so feel free to speak with your wallet, but there absolutely is a market for Anime streaming people without giving yourself schizophrenia and it's shown it can be successful.
>>32112917
It's the unicorn shit that's the problem. I'm no fan of Idol shit, but it's been twisted by autsits to mean unicorn autismal bullshit.

>>32115894
Tbh I actually dislike tee tee yuribait stuff more than I dislike male collabs because I got cucked by a lesbian. No one believes me because 4chan but I am genuinely just someone who hated westoids

>>32111987
She pretends to hate men, just like how she pretends to be depressed to skip streaming, and how she pretends to be nice to everyone but is an attention seeking nasty cunt.

She secretly craves cock and finally got exposed for it.

>>32115894
also lol >seeing their antis
*antics

Why it's okay to laugh at mentally ill virgins but when i mock depressed people im suddenly a bad guy? Same with anger issues. I didn't choose to be like this. My brain just overreacts sometimes. I don't have control over that part of my nervous system and people pretend that it's my fault.

>>32113802
>>32113860
>>32113872
Kys newfags

>>32112487
Reddit backs anything up thats SJW worthy. If anything they'd be pissed that she doesnt double down on the homoshit

>>32115928
But it's the brand anon... I don't get your moral grandstanding here. Imagine if Marlboro decided to become a vaping company instead and started making fun of smokers. I hate when fags like you use the word entitled as if there's never tacit expectations between consumers and entertainers. Again I'm someone who literally hates the Yuri shit they always do more than male collabs, but I find people like you so off putting and dishonest I always end up siding with the unicorns.

>>32115948
Tete is super cute and a Hololive staple like with Pekomiko (.. then micomet), Noefure etc. For all the talk about CGDCT comparisons, those kinds of shows (lucky star, hidamari etc) have light yuri bits in them sometimes. It's just cute, not even necessarily sexually. It helps things all work out for Holo feeling like an alternate reality. Take that away and you take away a fair bit of the charm it has.

>>32108796
No fucking way she said this. Does she really take the shipping seriously. It's harmless fun. Skinship and Shipping is a part of both Idol and Anime culture. If she doesn't like it then she need to GTFO then because it's not stopping anytime soon.

>>32108796
>covers her chest on stream because she hates her model
>proceeds to collab with men and talk down to her audience
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF KRONIES

>>32116085
In a world where vtubers existed without tete I would enjoy it probably 50 percent more. But while I dislike it a lot I'm good enough at tuning it out that it's whatever

>>32115792
>communist give everyone the same shit no matter how customer complain
Like Nijisanji and now Hololive? Go figure. Chinese investors doing Mao's work, I guess.
>>32115928
>there absolutely is a market for Anime streaming people without giving yourself schizophrenia and it's shown it can be successful
Not if you're a woman with an uninteresting personality who doesn't aim the camera at her IRL tits.
>>32115948
I believe you, but think you probably weren't enough of an abusive bastard to her. If she left you for a heartless monster, it's probably because you were too kind.
>>32116097
She has no clue what she's doing or saying, probably didn't do any research on the issue, and is probably being fed complete bullshit by psychopathic liars. Ouro Kronii isn't sharp enough for vtubing. Literally just being groomed by Twitter.

>>32108796
Jesas are the homostars worth all this self sabotage and drama? Why is she acting like she and her coworkers aren't shipped all the time? It's like she knows exactly why the male collabs are an issue.

>>32116172
I don't really know. I don't think about it much anymore, but tete stuff kinda grinds my gears because it reminds me of how how her entire social circle essentially praised her for cheating on me because she "found herself." It stings to have infidelity treated as if it's a necessary evil for her happiness, and to get fake apologies. Sometimes it really feels like women think as long as they cry after they hurt you then they've atoned

>>32116381
>her entire social circle essentially praised her for cheating on me
Of course. Women hate seeing people in happy relationships because it's like holding up a mirror and showing them their own inferiority. No relationship can survive "her friends." As for the guys, they want their turn and would love you being kicked out of the picture. In other words, if you want a relationship with a woman, "every man is a rival, every other woman a threat, and the entire world your enemy."

>>32116221
Women loves playing victim when she shot herself in the foot. Also her idea of professionalism is improving her chat, not herself, holy shit.

>>32109221
I mean the people crying are more or less retarded.