/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>32031033
They've been nothing more than normal streamers since Council debuted

>>32031033
literally https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goose_that_Laid_the_Golden_Eggs

>The English idiom "Kill not the goose that lays the golden egg", sometimes shortened to "killing the golden goose", derives from this fable. It is generally used of a short-sighted action that destroys the profitability of an asset.

Touch grass, incels

>>32031462
-Bringing up IRL shit that has nothing to do with the character
-Collabing with anybody without considering the lore

Wait a minute
In council lore, was there any excerpt stating that they joined Hololive? In Watson's lore, she was there to investigate Hologirls

>>32031033
Gura is still somewhat of a character. Mumei is sometimes a character but sometimes strays abit and makes me realise its just a normal girl who'd I probably not watch if I saw her with a low view count in Twitch.

>>32031462
>normal streamers

>>32031462
Normal streamers actually stream so I don't think that epithet fits.

>>32031033
>Normal streamers
>Barely stream
They can't even do that right.

>>32032358
Nope. For IRyS and the Council, they made all this stupid lore, but at no point do they ever explain why they're in Hololive, or why the concept of time is playing Minecraft. In fact there's no reference to streaming or hololive at all in their lore.

>>32032827
The lore is useless then
Wtf...

>>32031033
They completely abandoned the one and only thing that made them so big and influential - idol culture in English. This utter display of stupidity is rare to see and it baffles me. That was their thing, their spark, their everything and they completely shat on it to become a copy of Nijisanji, a LESSER company in the West. They're now completely generic and low effort nothingness.

Fuck maletubers. Maletubers shouldn't exist, and collabs obviously even less so. This whole thing is a fucking nightmare of baffling decisions, shitting on fans and utter self destruction. Fuck Cover and fuck Hololive. Let them sink in the pool of shit they've created for themselves. I completely disengaged from them with the sole exception of Gura, unless she fucks up as well. I said it many times already and I'll say it again - the future of vtubing is in indies and small corpos. Nijisanji was and is shit, Hololive rendered itself into shit, and Vshoujo is Vshoujo. There's barely any difference between all three in my mind. If you still have some sanity left you'll start searching for greener pastures, and trust me there's good stuff out there. Let this miserable, treacherous company bleed to death.

Fuck maletubers, fuck Holothots and fuck Omegatroon.

>>32033235
The writing was on the wall since day one, if you got invested it's on you.

>>32032827
HOW DARE YOU TALK BAD ABOUT THE BACKSTORY HANDMADE BY OMEGA, LE CREATIVITY

>>32033235
I ain't reading all that, happy for you or sorry if it did

>>32033235
based

>>32033235
Come home, holoJPs are waiting for you.

>>32033235
>Omegatroon
this nickname always makes me lose it lmao

>>32032938
yeah because several months in most chuubas realize the whole RP-shtick and staying in-character is retarded unless it’s being used ironically

>>32031512
When hololive doesn't decline at all and you're proven wrong for the millionth time, I really hope you'll finally leave the website.

>>32033235
>The future of vtubing is in indies and small corpos
>Those very same indie vtubers and small corpos Collab with males before and/or are going to

What the fuck are you on about? Idol culture isn't popular in the West. Western Vtubers are literally just anime muppets. Go be Japanese if you want your idol culture so much

>>32033803
People keep parroting "idol culture", but it was never about that. We know Rushia wasn't the most watched, Peko was, and I don't think Peko collabing with males will be more entertaining than her solo streams.

>>32033727
It already is declining. You're just ignoring the signs. Lets look at Moris newest song with a full MV, it hasn't even hit 500k views after a month. That puts her way below Lui who released a song with an MV about the same time and has 1.2 million views.

https://youtu.be/KlWzYgXfvgU

Moris songs are getting progressively fewer views, less likes, less comments and less engagement. That's in addition to her streams barely pulling 5k with solo content. She's not the powerhouse she was in 2021, her concert was her last gasp for relevancy.

Moris

>>32033803
Western fans are poorfag 14 year olds who will stop caring when they turn 16 and can drive and don't have to wait for their parents to take them to their friends' house, their lust for cock is irrelevant to all the unicorns who actually foot the bill for this """hobby""".

And yes when it becomes a competition of 'who is most entertaining' small corpos will obviously gain. There are a bunch of other glaring flaws in hololive girls. The only reason nijien benefited is because nijien was fucking dying before luxiem. If hololive has to compete in terms of pure entertainment, they will always lose ground to more entertaining, less cunty small corporations.

>>32033235
>idol culture in English

>>32034421
5k? She had a solo stream hit like 2.7k the other week. All this shit with collabs and like half her shit being promo work is try to hide the fact that as a streamer she definitely isn't popular like she used to be (and this is on top of her music also not getting the engagement it used to).

Her endless ability to be at minimum somewhat-annoying and sometimes getting very-annoying is leading to a bit of a death by a thousand cuts kind of thing. Sooner or later she'll eventually do something to just annoy you enough to either abruptly stop watching her in anger or just stop caring about her over time. I don't recall what it was for me but the 5% thing was about the point I was certain she was absolutely not worth wasting effort caring about, which is probably good because that was well before the connor/lean shit etc. I don't know how she has fans past that point but even this remaining bit, the men with truly no taste/standards/self-respect, are slowly getting whittled down, probably by the endless passive-aggressive nature and shrek/adam sandler loops.

>>32033235
>the future of vtubing is small corpos
https://youtu.be/lWOY35G8nv0

>>32034690
What Mori wishes Hololive would be and what I watch it for are two completely different things. I find it very tactless that she never put in any effort to try an adapt to the culture that gave her such success and just seethed over stupid shit like not being able to collab with Charlie or her favorite e-celebs. Look at Subaru for the opposite side of the story, she was a normalfag but did her reps, embraced the community and the culture and is one of the most watched and beloved members of Hololive. On the other hand Mori never really attempted to fit in or learn about her new company, she just kept trying to force the square peg into the round hole until management relented and let her act as a pseudo indie.

The fact she's lived in Japan so long and is far less fluent than Kiara or Irys is a good metaphor for Moris attitude towards unfamiliar cultures.

>>32033235
Dude, let it go. That lightning in a bottle will never happen again. They're just entertainers at this point.

>>32034425
NijiEN benefited because they scored the fujo audience, which is the single most profitable weeb market and the one you can rely on the most long term. As much as people here may seethe, Luxiem and the other fujo panderers have the most staying power in the industry by far and they will never go away.

>>32035565
Aren't they currently calling for Vox to be graduated because of some banter with Sonny?

>>32035388
2020 was the best despite all the garbage drama that happened.
>>32035615
Doesn't matter, those same fujos being mad will come crawling back.

>>32035615
Overblown by /vt/ just like literally all dramas. Also Vox isn't even the main cash cow anymore, the other guys inclined hard and they're all getting obscene amounts of money from fujos. The only way they can vanish is if they intentionally suicide their career like someone in nijijp recently did (couldn't blame them if they did).

>>32032358
>-Collabing with anybody without considering the lore
aw fuck off, so Cali can only colab with undead-themed holos like rusia and ollie?
So kiara can only colab with other birds like reine and subaru?
So Gura can only colab with other sea-themed holos like marine and aqua?
All of that regardless if they have chemistry or not together?
fuck off, let the bitches colab with whoever they want, the most important thing is that they can deliver an entertaining enough stream for people to keep watching and pumping akasupas into cover

Lore is a theme, not a fucking rule, go to bed omega

>>32035324
Cope and seethe more

>>32036538
>I have no argument and I must sneed.
Weak. You know it's true, numbers don't lie, anon.
HololiveEN is getting less popular, and it's coinciding with the changes of direction.

>>32033235
Seething.
You love to see it!

>>32033235
Based

>>32032358
We all know for a fact that /vt/ will bitch and moan about a streamer staying in character, being family friendly, and having no edge.
/vt/ complains about everything after all.
>Streamer DOESNT STREAM!
>Despite streamer streaming
>Streamer doesn't play VIDYA GAMES
>Get streamers who play VIDYA GAMES
>Streamer doesn't COLLAB!
>Tempus collabs all the fucking time with themselves

>>32033727
This.
HOLO WILL DIE ANY SECOND NOW has been said for at least three years now.
People like the product. Deal with it.

>>32031033
They can just open up another account and stream with male as much as they want (Matuli Noel Mori). But no they have to do the thing with male

>>32031512
The goose of cover is Gura. Idk how long she can stand her ground

>>32033235
Based idolchad. I couldn't say it better

>>32033727
Yes, they're losing to Niji EN in growth and Niji at total income

>>32033235
HoloEN self-immolated last night and half of /vt/ is cheering

>>32035324
Well the only thing she improved since her debut was Japanese, everything else is declining

>>32041258
Stop speaking like you have to read it, if you don't like /vt/ just fuck off

>this is the end of hololive for real this time...it's different...
kek, his containment board throwing a bitchfit won't have any effect, as always

A gift from /#/ >>32046841

>>32050197
Many grieving threads were deleted that day

>>32033235
>he still doesn't know japanese
ngmi

>>32050652
Advanced coping.

>>32034690
People will focus on the minotiy of spergs getting upset and the bait threads and will ignore the vast swathes just walking away to never return. God im glad I did my reps.

>>32050652
I just realize I no longer feel bad when I read "Holo declining" comments anymore

>>32051890
>irrelevant board seething
>actually causing any decline

KEK

>>32050197
There were plenty of complaints but meidos instantly scrubbed them

The most hilarious thing to me is Holofags getting a taste of their own heavy-handed moderation. Enjoy the hugbox cheering on your demise.

>>32052488
I'm a jp only chad so that will never happen

>>32052034
I mean I used to feel bad because I loved the girls and want them to success. After recent male collabs I don't feel bad anymore

>>32052808
People like you were never real fans

>>32053163
are you?

>>32033235
>Idol culture in English
Except in the past 2 years of myth idol culture has been almost non-existent.

joining holo instantly catapults you into the top 1% of streamers (anya included). the majority of streamers have 0-5 ccv. some people are more than fine with the trade especially if they've already grinded for years with no return

>>32033235
based and same desu. All of HoloEN except Gura can graduate tomorrow and I won't care at all. When Gura is not streaming at I can watch HoloJP.

>>32031033

Out of all the Hololive members who collab with Holostars or other males, only a few are openly trying to subvert and undermine the core appeal of Hololive (cute girls doing cute things). But they all have different motives in doing so.
>Mori
Resents the fact that her rap career only took off as a result of Hololive, and wants to blur the lines between Mori Calliope and her roommate persona as much as possible. This means no icky idol stuff. She also wants "revenge" for the backlash to her collabs with Connor and the whole episode back in January.
>Bae
Literally just a whore who lusts for cock, which is refreshingly honest. However, she's also a natural extrovert and wants her friends to be friends with her other friends.
>Ollie
By far the most dangerous of the three, because rather than having self-centered reasons like Mori or Bae, she genuinely sees herself as the /unity/ messiah who will make all of Holopro (if not all of vtubing) one big happy family while destroying the "idol culture" she transparently represents (despite the fact that it singlehandedly made her relevant). Thus, the boundaries must be broken down, regardless of what other talents or fans think.

If in the long term it helps their careers, fine. But personally if a vtuber interacts with a male, they are dead to me.

>>32055041

>>32033235
>>32049906
I love how you can spot idol larpers a mile a way. Nigger you have never watched japanese idols you don't even know japanese idol culture.

>>32056838
larper is the one who don't even know who is she

>>32057440
Nice eigo brown skin now name 5 idol groups that aren't AKB without looking it up

>>32057516
No, you first. Preach about idol irl and why you abandoned them for 2d women

>>32031033
HoloEN is shit for over a year now. Boring, lazy and mediocre. Completely mogged by competition. And it's not going to get better.

>>32057785
All I see is a reclining future for EN

>>32033803
Why even be vtuber then? Why not use a camera and save on paying lots of money for crappy rigging?

>>32057785
Out of curiosity, who are their competition?

>>32057785
JP built holo from the ground up
ID has the common goal to represent Indonesia to the world
EN should have the common goal to grow the EN branch and be on par with the other branches. we should be cheering for them
but instead it's a bunch of disunited people who do their own thing, putting in more or less work than the others and clock in and out like they've reached the top and everything's secure.
where did it go wrong

>>32050336
Why are you conceding?

>>32034421
>using fucking Mori as a benchmark for Hololive's decline
bitch you can't be this retarded

>>32057785
Turning into Niji 2.0. Pointless

>>32061357
Hiring Americans. Notice that the only non-American is grateful for the opportunity and hardworking to a fault.

>>32066472
>Kronii
>Ina
Retardo detected desu

>>32066472
>ina
>hardworking
I chuckled

>>32034690
I remember roughly enough what she did to piss me off enough to not like her anymore but I don't remember exactly which stream it was. It was one of the first times she told chat to fuck off and stop trying to help her while she was clearly struggling with grasping the gameplay. She then told chat to leave if they didn't like it, so that's what I did. I fucked off and only occasionally check to see if she's improved...but then she starts talking on that terrible cowboy accent and she loses me again.

>>32066805
Americanized Asians are still Americans and Canada isn’t a real country.

>>32067142

>>32032358
Stfu lorefag

>>32057970
Kyoumu