/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>when you do something yourself you are responsible for it
very important take indeed
in other news water is wet and people die when they are killed

I think the translation suck

>>31200277
>However you like
No wonder NTR cucking and lazy coombaiting whores exist.

>>31200277
Sora senpai megami da

>>31200277
Kekson on suicide watch

>>31200602
Including anger from unicorn, which many pretend to not understand

>>31200277
Thank you OP, this changed my life

>>31200631
okay JSL, impress us with your translation please

>>31200277
You're just as on your own if you're in Hololive. Bitch thinks we forgot about the Mel incident.

>>31200277
Sora fucking mercilessly killed all small corpo and indie ideas that Hololive is this corpo "restrictive" place.
The holos are self-produced chubas. They got were they are by going viral, Coco's box building and pushing themselves to be better.

>>31201370
Hololive isn't like that anymore. They're coasting off their past success and don't take risks anymore.

Thank you, Captain Sorbvious.

>>31200733
People understand. And we cheer when the unicorns are ignored or mocked

>>31200277
Sio bros

>>31200685
stop crying

>>31201559
Talents are taking risks all the time:
AkiRose's production were always ahead of their time. Bakatare doing the concert first, the merch later. All the insanely costly anime MVs like MySong and Marine's last two songs. Polka's cover repertoire. Astel's massive birthday. This is no different to what indie/small corpo chubas are doing. You are free to call me out on my bullshit the day a holo switches to twitch to spend all day doing react content while hosting a subathon.

From COVER's side we saw holoEarth, ERROR, the SuperEXPO, dropping their top SC earners. They are not playing much safer bets, which would be debuting more chubas. We haven't heard of EN3 or new branches that make sense like ES or KR.

>>31201559
t.only watch EN

>>31201993
Who's we? The unicorn is like a canary. If it dies, it's time to get out, the vtuber's quality always plummets when that happens.

>>31201559
t. Deadbeat who doesn't watch the other branches.

>>31202025
She fucked up for not realizing that her IP can be tracked in some shitty JP message board after shitting on Roboco as an anonymous. That's even bigger yab than making a mistake by presenting your stupid idea to the fans as a vtuber.

>>31203046
Holy copium.

>Vshojo members/fans: "WOMEN ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR MISTAKES YOU FUCKING BIGOT I CAN'T FUCKING BELIEVE YOU WOULD SAY THAT IN 2022 REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>31203383
When did they say that?

>we want the Talent Freedom audience
Shameless.

They are wrong, otherwise it wouldn't make sense that a company like Anycolor would release more and more waves of Nijisanji vtubers.

>>31201993
They angry because she does something, not because she does nothing.
>when you do something yourself you are responsible for it

>>31201559
Tempus is a gigantic risky investment

>>31204082
When they blame everyone else everytime a Vshojo gets in trouble for running their mouth again. See veibae getting blacklisted from hololive collabs for running her mouth for example.

>>31204247
Niji business model is completely different from holo
>Recruit a large amount of "livers"
>Leave livers to fend for themselves, ignoring bullying, internal conflict and trash talking
>Praise the highest number, cut the lowest number
>Repeat

>>31200602
Some chuuba seem to not understand something as water is wet.

>>31204340
yeah man, 2 male en waves too late is so risky

>>31200277
>freedom comes with responsibility
you tell them Sora

>>31204631
Wow, first thread I clicked on this morning and I already read somehow incredibly stupid.

Does Sora have a "freedom ain't free" edit?

>>31203383

>>31203383
holy rent free

Is there a link to the full radio translation?

>>31201370
Nah, Suisei herself said that there were a lot of rules in place even for their swimsuit event. Compare that to your average indie that just wears what they like. The bigger a corpo gets, the more your personal freedom and individuality gets taken away.

>>31202719
>>31203220
EN does risky shit too you know. Mumei's Dan Dan video was literally just taken down because it was treading the line. Ame's 3D antics are incredibly ambitious and if her "studio" wasn't organized properly, Kiara wouldn't've had a birthday live. People are going to be dedicating themselves more and more to her studio the longer EN goes without being able to go to Japan.
And as much as /vt/ hates to admit it, Mori is also pretty ambitious and risky for trying to basically be a one man version of Gorillaz to the public. It might not be the best music but it does numbers and that's all it needs to do.
tl;dr, that faggot doesn't even know shit about Hololive.

>>31201370
Completely non-sense, Holosummer, HoloExpo, Error... all company produced.
They have multiple company meetings per week, they have managers that banned from doing certain things, they appear in corpo branded merch, recordings and sponsors all the time, they can choose from a long list of artists and musicians to do their things thanks to the company backing...
The only difficult thing they did for themselves was getting into the company.

>>31209868
> “PFFT” “FRAAAP” “POOT” “BLAT” “THPPTPHTPHPHHPH” “BRAAAP” “BRAAAACK” “FRRRT” “BLAAARP” “PBBBBT”
i see... i see

>>31209803
That’s thanks to YouTube restrictions, not Cover’s. The only thing Cover won’t let them do is porn.

why does Sora talk like she's done anything outside of persist in a field whilst surrounded by more talented and engaged peers? she hasn't done anything interesting except fall out of a chair once

>>31209868
holy corpo bootylicking

>>31209698
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/wnbt0f/highlights_and_rough_tl_of_yesterdays_nhk_radio/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

>>31209868
yagoo's feet must be really tasty

>>31209803
>rules to avoid youtube ban

>>31210047
>>31210218
>>31210590

>>31209803
Bless Suisei for refusing to do that shit.
Reeks of desperation for them to slap generic swimsuits on everyone and have them shake their asses.

>>31200277
That's a good point, but the black company management still put all the blame on Coco/Rushia/Aloe even though they helped made the situation worse.

>>31210193
Sora built Hololive straight from the ground. When Kizuna Ai and the other popular vtubers are reigning, she was there grinding her way view by view. Of course, the new hires were there to break boundaries but they wouldn't be able to do that if the foundation was not solid. Did you know Pekora, Migo and Suzy were behind Rushia when they all started?

>>31211938
you're replying to obvious bait anon, he did this everytime with >she hasn't done anything interesting except fall out of a chair

>>31200277
Isn't Sora like 21ish? Why is she doing this really mature statement? Like, water is wet but this is an obvious statement as well. Why can't EN vtubers understand this?

>>31209803
Not even a Hoshiyomi, but even I know that Suisei will never admit she doesn't want HER character being fanserviced around.

>>31209967
hello twitchretard, I made this post >>31202392 no need to go over what they do.
what the fuck you think a meeting is for? Most of you anti-corpo shills sound like you never had a job.
The brand recognition (aka "the box") was built by their own efforts. It's in their right to get showered in job offers.

>The only difficult thing they did for themselves was getting into the company.
Tell that to the sanalites. Being a holo is not that easy, unless you got the 2nd gen contract.

>>31211938
she hasn't built anything. not even herself. she's just as banal and uninteresting as she was when she started, where she had to be pity-raised out of 2view status by a bunch of saviorfags because she had the audacity to stream on christmas.

she hasn't done, made, and simply isn't, shit.

>>31200602
I mean, what Sora is saying here should be obvious, yet a lot of retards don't seem to understand it.

>all these ESL seething

>>31200277
There are some retarded rules but people in Vshojo think having no sort of system is necessary when in reality it’s for their own protection and the brand image. This kind of behavior is why I never could get into their content and why I despised the idea of other corpos being made in the west. Americans are drama fueled whores who will do anything to be on top. (saying this as an American)

While there are some decent Vshojo members I hate the group as a whole. They talk about talent freedom but parade around like the common twitch whore. Every single joke involves dicks, their idea of content is just reacting to other peoples hard work and drama baiting.

Last thing I’ll say is these are the same whores who were in Gura and the rest of hololive EN’s twitter mentions praying they would get a reply only to get ignored after months of trying.

If this is the experience you get with “talent freedom” you can keep that.

>>31202392
Tempus is en3 anon

>>31213227
Nice logic there. I guess Hololive just got popular by a magic genie wish by Yagoo.

>>31211397
Cool what was your actual solution to those issues.
And I mean actual solutions and not the typical cop out of “not do what cover does xdxdxd I am so smrt look lmao rolfcopter faggot”

>>31204082
They imply that all the time retard.

>>31213962
Mori is responsible for giving them any sliver of relevancy by replying and collabing with them knowing full well how the west is.

The important thing to note here is that Sora's streams are really really comfy and more people should check them out.

>>31213962
I recall there's a clip of Scarra complaining that Gura keeps ignoring them and he thinks its because they (OTK) don't have enough clout.

>>31203278
Why would anyone shit on Roboco? She's basically nearly invisible and pleasantly mild. How could anyone have a problem with her?

>>31200602
Water isn't wet

>>31214234
it sure as fuck wasn't because of Sora regardless of what tasteless SEA gibbons screech about

>>31209803
If you watched that clip (because I am certain you didn't watch the actual stream), she literally said there management implemented a bunch of rules for the swimsuit streams in order to prevent them from getting a community guidelines strike or ban on youtube.

>>31201370
Thats why their talents get "bonked by management" whenever they have anything resembling fun, right?
All of them are pretty much railroaded into becoming the same cookie-cutter games streamer.

>>31214234
Are you just that new, or did you actually forget Migo's magic word?

>>31204340
Hardly, after they waited for Niji to dip their toes in the water first.

>>31221250
They don't follow NijiEN's footsteps, though. Most Niji Males dip into fangirls pandering to some extents and with the exception of Shu, majority of their fans came from Asian (mainly CN / TW / JP).
On the other hand, HomoEN have been sticking to mostly brotuber model so far and almost haven't even tried to approach the Asian market yet (I guess there was one Axel's JP stream?). If they were avoiding risk, you'd expect them to start fujo / yumejobaiting by now and stream during Asian hours like Luxiem instead

>>31200602
You'd be surprised of how many EN vtubers just dont understand that there are consequences for their actions

>>31200277
Sora-senpai the protagonist of Hololive with another wise and level headed take. There's a reason everyone looks up to her.

>>31200602
and yet the whores in vshojo don't get it LOL

>>31200277
>when you do make a mistake, there is an aspect where it is sort of your sole responsibility
...
>whores screeching incel in the distance

>>31222194
yes you are

>>31200277
>Being able to self produce yourself and present yourself however you like
Pointless when you can't even own yourself and your own works

>>31200742
I don't speak even a tiny bit of Japanese and I'm telling you the translation is wrong
>T-t-then how do you k-k-know
I'm connected to Sora through our hearts and my penis. I have unlocked an even higher level of understanding between languages than any native speaker could hope to achieve with her.

>>31203046
Good take, I agree 100%.

>>31200277
Except sora is wrong because kson has been forgiven for everything hell nezuna still has fans

>>31200277
HAIL CORPORATE

>>31200602
Mori still hasn't gotten the memo

>>31200277
Suisei’s silence is deafening

>>31218793
I saw this too, this was immediately after they all shit roasted hololive in a podcast saying it’s cringey and vtubers are uncanny. now scarra is a vtuber and leeches off vshojo who in turn leeched off hololive. They’re all snakes who don’t care about anything but getting noticed by the biggest current thing and will do anything to get there.

It’s how these people operate and how they’ve built their careers, by lying, leeching, drama baiting and jumping on bandwagons for relevancy.

I would say people here are the lowest of the low but majority twitch streamers sell their souls and become subhuman leg humpers for clout.

>>31201993
>we

>>31200277
I saw this video last night before I went to sleep and had no idea what she meant by this.. With how the industry and companies are right now you have NO freedom to "present yourself however you like." You enter the company, they give you a model and rigger you don't want and give you some shitty character. For the females in hololive especially, they are treated as "idols," and if they do not try to follow this archetype their growth is virtually stunted. Compared to being an IRL streamer, you 100% are not presenting yourself however you like.
I can understand if someone like vshoujo girls said something like this because if you talked about politics or something they could just say, "vtubers are a way to escape reality, I don't wanna talk about that." But even then a blanket statement would not make sense because it is clear all females who are vtubers feel pressured to never reveal their personal life, relationship history, etc.

>>31225234
Kson literally do the same shit as she was doing when she was Coco. Hell, she even lit her pussy on fire during a collab with Tamaki. I’d say she had more freedom when she was with Hololive.

If cover is so restrictive how the fuck has Haachama not gotten fired yet

i like how silvervale says you can't mention relationships like parents, yet hololive members have shown themselves talking about their parents numerous times like pekora, miko, matsuri, rushia, noel, marine, balez, and mori.

>>31204631
Nijisanji is a black company.

>>31210286
Go back faggot

>>31204340
I'm sure the fact they cheaped out on the models makes it such an expensive investment.

>>31203046
Shit take, I disagree 100%

>>31200277
Don't care didn't read Suisei is sex

>>31211397
Explain how Cover made each worse and what was the right solution then

>>31203383

>>31225923
I mean you can't expect them to know it's just like how Connor got a bunch of shit about them wrong and Vei before that. The only Vshojo member i've seen knowledgeable about Hololive is Mouse

>>31220994
>opinion

>>31200602
You think so but lots of people assume freedom mean that nothing bad will happen. Freedom also means responsibility.

>>31222741
What? You never use company provided equipment before?

>>31224648
This place have been infested with that kind of posters

>>31232206
>I mean you can't expect them to know
NTA, don't talk about it then, she also can just worded it better instead of mentioning Hololive because they rent free in her head, all of that just to be proven wrong and make her looks like an idiot for talking out of her ass

>>31225234
Your interpretation is wrong. That doesn't mean freedom. That mean people have choices to make your vtuber into whatever you want to be. Non idol can make it into holo, see Ollie and Mori

>>31224418
>He thinks that's the real Suisei
Lock your windows, anon.

>>31225852
this

>>31230523
This is an ironic meme, right?

>>31236195
it's the same as wojak posting when they have no argument and have decided to concede

>>31230523
TALENT FREEDOM is dumb. you need to have a filter in place, just saying

>>31200602
wet is a feeling you get from touching water dumbass.
water itself can’t be wet because it just adds to the existing water when touching other water bodies.

>>31219079
Water is inherently wet.

>>31237576
salty is the taste you get from tasting salt.
If you apply this, then you're saying that salt itself can't be salty.

>>31230523
>>31209550

>>31225923
Multiple Holo members have straight up had their parents on stream. So I have no clue what shit Silvervale is talking about but it isn't Hololive

>>31237698
Water isn't wet, but water cause wetness.

>>31225852
She almost did but Matsuri, Miko and Holomembers stop Cover and fired Haachama is a sign about bowing to Chink

>>31225923
I think she meant Nijisanji

>>31205343
>>31221250
>Going Brotuber route instead of succumbing to fujo money
That’s a huge risk in itself that not only is paying off, some of the Niji males have made tweets implying strongly that they are tired of fujobaiting and making cum and bottom jokes on twitter

>>31229802
Still a financial risk even if the models were somewhat phoned in but it created a huge meme sensation from ironic saviorfagging and now no one even bats an eye on how bad the models are.

>>31238623
if she meant niji then sure, but even they can talk about their mothers and fathers

>>31200277
>Sora
This woman is senpai to everybody in Hololive and Nijisanji. Best to sit down and listen to her wise words.

>>31220994
>your manager steps in to alert you when you do or say something that risks an unfeeling, uncaring robot from removing your primary source of revenue
>this is a bad thing

>>31220994
>Muh bonked by management meme
>Coco was told not to dirty dance in 3D yet did so anyways
>Choco and Mel openly made out during their 3D off-collab
>Coco and Moona both shaved their pussies life on stream
>Risu explaining in graphic detail to a retarded indo child the cumzone meme
>Risu explaining cute and funny
>Risu in general
>Iofi is practically sponsored by Tenga at this point
>Gura drew a micro-bikini on herself during a stream
>Gura talking about foot fetish shit all the time
>The legendary sex offcollabs ID has done
>Ollie asking her chat how a tenga feels and if it "feels like the real deal"
>Insert any Matsuri moment you can think of here
>Marines lewd as fuck MV and other lewd antics
>Haachama reviewing porn of herself on stream multiple times
I mean I can list like a billion more things Cover lets their talents do to more or less shit all over your weak ass take

>>31238959
Don't forget the multiple shower/bath collabs

>>31238959
I've heard about coco but moona too? Link?

>>31200277
"With great freedom comes great responsibility."

>>31238959
Dont forget
>Risu naming and calling out the jew

>>31238518
water=ice
ice can be submerged in water and become wet
therefore water is wet

>>31238959
>Coco doing shaving stream
>Coco burning her pussy on someone’s elses stream
>Coco showing Kanata hanging
>etc.

>>31238959
>>31239329
>multiple bath collabs where they fondle each other and act super gay
>Choco riding an exercise ball like it was a cock
>Mel did so much lewd shit her and Choco both nearly got wiped out by youtube cause of it
>Matsuri openly talking about the Holos shes made out with
>Roboco on stream asked Matsuri if she'd like to make out sometime
>Roboco is very lewd too and has done several lewd things
>Matsuri cried about being in love with Hoshikawa on her podcast thing (as Matsuri) because she got rejected during their date
>Matsuri openly talking about drinking her own piss while in high school cause she loved golden shower porn
>Marine explaining her masturbation schedule and habits to her viewers and discussing preferences
>Mori screaming and moaning lewd ass porn dialogue for a goofy ass bar sim game
>Chloe being incredibly lewd at every single second she can be
>Made sure she had heart eyes and hypnotized eyes for her 3D model and used them in lewd moments
>Lui is now famous for the jp version of post nut clarity and the management/Cover staff love the meme and joke about it
>Reine openly telling other Holo members on stream how badly she wants to eat their pussies
>Fauna getting openly hot and bothered over slime girls and doing so repeatedly at that
Shit im sure theres a fuck ton more I could grab if I felt like it.

>>31239363
Id need to find it again but its on youtube. Just search up Moona shaving stream or something. Its extremely hot too. She moans a ton and it sounds like shes getting off. Its blessed

>>31240185
mori did a dorothy voice?

>>31240483
Oh yeah. She voice acted the entire scene of Dorothy orgasming from being hacked and she held nothing back.

>>31240694
hell yeah

>>31240076
Proofs pls?

>>31218793
Rich when scarra fans the flame of drama involving his streamer house

>>31218793
>>31241380
Its pretty sad that Scarra could've just chosen to keep playing games with QT and coast by playing League/reviewing shit like all the other ancient boomer pros do and been fine, yet for some cursed reason he felt it was better to join the whore house and be a hugely lame faggot.

>>31241819
That would require Scarra being at any point relevant as a pro league player. Something he never was. Even Qt's autistic ass was once considered a top 3 adc in NA.

>>31238959
>Risu explaining in graphic detail to a retarded indo child the cumzone meme
>Risu explaining cute and funny
>Risu in general
Kek

>>31200277
I mean, yeah. Common sense on the pros and cons between working for a company vs. trying to be self-sustaining, you give up some freedom in exchange for security. Certain "talent freedom" companies are trying to sell themselves as the best of both worlds, but it's just another form of company, there's always freedoms which are given up when you work with or under someone vs. being completely on your own, which is the true "talent freedom".

>>31238959
Based migo poster

>>31233123
He's jobless, that's only the answer

>>31242992
Honestly Risu going so in depth she even explaining about the dude cumming inside the girl was pretty shocking even for her. Though Risu repeatedly warned Kobo so I guess the retard asked for it

>>31240076
Also
>IRyS hating on the gypsies and using the word "Trap" unironically

>>31238959
>>31239329
>>31240120
>>31240076
>>31240185
And, DONT'T FORGET
>Nene UUUOOOOHHH live on stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT8FFEQJ79c

>>31240185
>matsuri talking about all the holos she made out with
Oh right I remember that. IIRC Matsuri likes to ask for a playful kiss only to go full mouth to mouth and she tried that with Roboco but Roboco just returned the favor and jammed her own tongue down Matsuri's throat

>>31243568
They also forgot about Risu literally fingerblasting herself on stream to Okayu and Korone for like four hours straight.

>>31243568
I love Nene

>>31203046
>holoen
>niji girls
You know what, you have a point

>>31219533
>she literally said there management
>there

>>31232206
>It's okay for them to talk shit about things they have no knowledge about
What are they? /vt/ posters?
Those streamers have to be aware that their words will be listened by their communities

>>31238623
She didn't name dropped Nijisanji though
And Nijisanji can mention their parents

>>31253818
>Fulger

>>31225234
>if they do not try to follow this archetype their growth is virtually stunted.
Towa is the most popular Gen4 now.

>>31255986
Which is incredible considering the setback she had in 2020 when everyone else was booming.

>>31255986
Remember how Korone's lore was that she ran a bakery?

>>31200602
>and people die when they are killed
Oh yeah?

>>31209803
"To not get your stremes taken down" she also said that tell me how is it wrong to impliment rules to ensure monitization and it seems you haven't seen the things they are doing with the swimsuit stremes

>>31256106
I'm not saying the male voice yab didn't affect her but what made people dislike her at first is because she was lying

>>31209868
Gorillaz is already a one man band but I get your point.

>>31225234
>For the females in hololive especially, they are treated as "idols," and if they do not try to follow this archetype their growth is virtually stunted
Because being "idols" are Hololive's niche? That's how they market themselves to set themselves apart from other competitors
Simply put, people going to a sushi restaurant are expecting to be served sushi not burgers
>because it is clear all females who are vtubers feel pressured to never reveal their personal life, relationship history, etc.
>feel pressured
Roru
Look, I can kind of agree with the not revealing relationship history
But have you consider maybe it's the vtubers who don't want to reveal that much about their personal life?

>>31200602
leftist don't understand this though

These women are only tolerable under strict rules they're forced to follow. Otherwise, you'd seek entertainment from normal male streamers, which are usually doing something more interesting anyway a solid 80% of the time. Their retarded takes on everything being suppressed is exactly why their male audience can grow to enjoy them.

talent freedom is bad because it makes hololive look bad
also only being used by women apparently

>>31222741
It's funny because that's how just about every major company in tech and entertainment works. You're literally told never to do anything related to their line of business because your talent and work is their property.

>>31202392
holy shit an actual stream watcher

>>31243839
This can't be true, but I'll believe it

>>31225234
not only your interpretation is wrong but you also spouting bunch of bullshit
you clearly had retarded view of "freedom", there is no such thing as "total freedom" otherwise there will be no rules
>feel pressured
implying all of them do GFE/BFE and there is this thing called "privacy", and they still have the freedom to reveal their personal life etc regardless

>>31203046
This is actually true

>>31240694
sauce for that ame pic? not getting any hits on reverse google search

Oh nyo bro

>>31240087
But if there's a ton of not melted ice on your desk does it make the table wet even tho it's only ice?

>>31204340
Of all the risks to take out there, debuting chubas is very low cost. This was said by several CEOs of small agencies.
There's a reason why there are so many vtubers out there compared to before.

>>31277792
You're not wrong but one could argue there's a brand/perception risk. Though even that is more shitstirrers than fan outrage. Holostars has always stayed in their lanes and I think fans get that after the initial doomposting and one-off collabs.

Holodrones hate talent freedom because their oshi doesn't have it lmao.

>>31278465
Retard