/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>31157091
>Male Karen
Assuming he knows more about the industry than those that work there.

>>31157091
hololive really is rent free

>>31157091
>Awesome content
>75 mins of reacting to YT videos with constant annoying TTS donation alerts followed by the streamer's acknowledgement.
>All that while the chat keeps being spammed with twitch emotes
Truly the pinnacle of content creation.

>>31157091
>your business shouldn't exist unless it's exactly like my business!
Genius take, anon.

This is just sad

>>31157091
>talk about yourself and your parents"
Pretty sure most of the EN girls talk about their parents, and the ones that don't do it for reasons that aren't related to "idol culture".

Honestly this whole attacking Hololive's way of streaming is pretty shitty. If people wanted to watch you, they would.

>>31157091
>"Filters help us take the mask off and show our true self."
>"VShojo is on a mission to empower unique individuals."
>"We believe in embracing ourselves without apology"
Performative authenticity is VShojo's brand.

>>31157663
NTA but its more
>gives shit take, gets called retard

>>31157091
hololive actually rent free in this whore's head lmao

She deleted her reply tweet to the author posting the article btw, so she definitely knows she fucked up here lmao

>>31157091
>Our company marketing is to name drop how another company works
This shit is like a Coca vs Pepsi commercial from the 90s

>>31157091
Talent freedom is just a smokeshield to deflect their shitty talent whenever they yab.

Sadly hololive won't do anything. They never did anything when kson and rushia went to the clique. nijisanji didn't ban their collabs either.

vshojo literally can do nothing wrong

>>31157091
awesome content such as reacting to youtube videos and talking about sex

>>31157091
sounds pretty based ngl. She's just saying what's been already happening since 2021. Idolshit unicorns have nowhere to hide now that mori and ame started purging their own unicorn fans

>>31157091
She legit called all jp vtubers fake whores kek

>>31157609
>vshojo really is rent free
Fixed. What is this, the 15th thread?

3rd bait thread about this one article? Or 4th? Either way baitfags will get tired of using this eventually

>>31158216
As opposed to movie watchalongs to sell Netflix accounts? Rumao

>>31157091
>We're TOTALLY not like Hololive!
>VSHOUJO, girls only slumber party
Uh-huh

I like the hypocrisy of calling Hololive an agency when that's what most professional V-Tuber companies are for their own talent too.

>>31157853
>EN girls talk about their parents
Paparat is practically my second Oshi at this point.

>>31158210
>>31158210
You don' get it.
Talents freedom is a freedom Vtubers can shape destiny by their's own hands. They can die or live by their will.

>>31158271
She can't imagine a person that's not exactly like her

>>31157091
>force of reckoning
Is this really how Vsluts think? LOL, change the world by making Vtubers just like every other garbage streamer thot

All Hololive girls have to do is sing and dance once in a while (and only the JP ones really) and not be ridiculously vulgar (again a pretty soft restriction considering Kobo talks about eating her own poop)
the only aspect in which Hololive is actually restrictive is game permissions, which is what every other large corporate streamer already has to deal with. I doubt Silvervale is being malicious, but this is just a case of westerners who don't know about idols casting shade on the industry

>authenticity
lol
just twitch streamers.

>>31157091
"We can show everyone that there can be an agency that's not like Hololive"

For fucks sake, even Nijisanji , the other big agency, isn't like Hololive. Fucking entitled whorejo. This only shows how deep they have Hololive up their ass.

"You can be yourself and you can have a relantionship and you can talk about yourself and your parents-just be yourself and not be tied down by all these expectations."

You can have all that in Hololive, and the only thing it's better for you to not talk about is your significant other. The point about parents is especially dumb, but what we can expect of such a dumb and brainlet of a whorejo.


"You can be yourself and do what you've always done, but have this huge support network and be able to grod and show the community that it's possible in the West to be a force of reckoning. We can show Vtubers are here, and they can make awesome content."

Fucking company pamphlet, Batman. That reads as something a fucking marketing team has written. Also she doesn't even know what being a vtuber is, she only wants a mask to hide her face. Hololive showed that Vtubers are here(in the west). Fucktard.


"We're just normal streamers, we just have a professional backing and I like how that's going to be more normalized and we can just be ourselves."

Goddamit, even the most lore-following, acting-streamer of Hololive por other companies shows like 90% of herself openly, they just polish some rough edges that everyone has and that the audience might not want just because...ITS FUCKING ENTERTAINMENT.


I am very sorry for Iron Mouse and Mel, and heck even a bit for Nazuna, but Vshojo can go and should go to shit for the good of the industry.

P.S: They are starting to have an Epic Store to Steam difamation campaign-like.

>>31157091
This make you realize she's nothing but a trend jumper, rise on the vtubing boom to make money. Also whores love preaching.
>an agency that's not like Hololive
Holo live rent free in her head holy shit

>>31158698
Learn how to quote properly newfag. Embarrassing.

That's why /vt/ call them whores.
It's pathetic that they can only show off their superiority by belittling others.

what was the point of this article. it reads like a paid for pr puff piece but surely the mockery its gotten outweighs any benefit.

>>31158698
how long did it take you to write this?

>>31157091
>we're just normal streamers
thats the point, I don't care about normal streamers where the difference between a fleshtuber and a vtuber is just the anime avatar

>>31158829
Didnt want to.

>>31158829
>Embarrassing.
Embarrasing is having nothing productive to say.

>>31158943
Little.Do you type slow or something?

Remember that time hololive came out in support of one of their talents after a yab that gained major traction, and in return that talent attempted to dox her coworkers, which resulted in in her contract termination.
Maybes that's what she means when she's says not like hololive.

>>31158274
bro you're embarrassing yourself

>>31157091
Yeah I don't get it. The intersection of fiction and reality is what made vTubers interesting in the first place, not being an ethot thats too lazy or ugly too look good for the camera.

Remember when Vei said she would never tell people if she was in a relationship because they would give her less money? How she would only reveal it if she was dating a rich streamer? That's the talent freedom they are talking about. The freedom to be in a relationship and keep it a secret. Which NO other company has. Every other company forces their talents to wear a literal chastity belt and has regular hymen checkups to ensure purity. Black companies, the lot of them.

>>31157663
>"action game" without action but only clicking text and choosing options
>"What do you mean I can't brand my game as action game?"
What makes vtuber not a mere streamer?
No, don't answer it. You don't know the answer.

>>31157091
If this is what finally gets vshojo member's banned from collab with Hololive, then I am all for it. Though I do belive this kills any and all rrats that her and Ame are close.

Thing is, humans aren't that interesting.
When a person tries to get "authentic", it's incredibly boring because what you talk about needs to be relevant to the audience's ears and that means drawing from experiences and already established archetypes. Then you're back to square zero, with the exception that you can now never pretend to be idol like. When you're being lewd, it's just kind of whatever because you already destroyed the boundaries of seiso.

they provide what nijisanji already offers. what makes vshojo unique in anyway? only freedom they have is copyright laws being in their favor because they are an NA corpo. what she said was retarded, if she watched streams of the people she wanted to collab with (Ame, Mori and kiara) she would know what she said was bullshit. so either she is being dishonest or she's a simple retard who doesn't watch streams.

>>31159657
Which Niji does stuff like Melody?

What a ridiculous thing this retard is saying. We call her a whore because she believes the company's lies.

>>31159359
>No, don't answer it. You don't know the answer
depends on if you wanna be pedantic autist but everybody knows the difference

>>31159256
>A talents personal life is their own and as well as the discretion they have surrounding it
Lol, lmao even.

>>31159736
None , fortunately. Melody is a special case in which she started literally as a Vcamwhore but the thing is she was entertaining as hell even just talking, hence the normal vtubing. Other than that, Nijisanji is basically normal streamers with an Avatar.

Now tell me, which Vshojo does what Tamaki does? Or which has been as influential as Mito?

>>31157091
>VShojo
>authenticity

>>31159736
Vox and Finana

>>31160013
>which has been as influential as Mito
I mean considering Gura was a Nyanners ripoff before and still is...

[announcement] Hololive rent free in vshojo's brain

>>31160081
>Finana
i wish

>>31160115
And vshojo rent free in holofag's brain

Nijisanji EN doko?

>>31160207
[Sad News] Vshojofag can't stop projecting.

>>31160207
vshojogeezer, are you deaf already?

>we wanna show people there are agencies that arent like hololive. Who the fuck needs to be shown this? There are 10 HoloEN and the vast majority of other western chuubas are not just "like hololive."

>>31157091
>girl power
>women's liberation
>we can do whatever we want and you're a bad person if you don't bend the knee
Sorry, I don't support de facto female supremacy. Get back under the boot, woman.

>>31157091
>What's the point?
A person has to be intelligent to have a point.
Does Vshojo sound like an intelligent group to you? Talking cringe dick jokes and giving retard political opnions.

>>31157091
I cringe at this as a Nijifag

>>31161316
Based Nijibro

>>31157091
Don't shitpost North Korean propaganda on /vt/.

You can dislike Hololive all you want, just don't lie.

>>31161177
who are you quoting?

>>31161501
Newfag

It is clear that vshojos have a much more isolated fan base than hololive

>>31161543
>Newfag
you greentext'd your entire fucking sentence

>>31161626
You mean it's clear VShojo and their fans know nothing about Japanese vtubing?

>>31161316
I like the feesh.
I'm aware

>>31161316
you should, since she's pretending that nijisanji doesn't exist lol

>>31161660
>>31161660
I am not the author of the greentext and he did not quoted anyone, retard

>>31161702
They (fans and streamers) have never watched a single Hololive stream in their lives. They have just learned from their Twitter echochamber that "Hololive bad".

>>31161501
I edited the post a little bit and accidentally deleted the line break, the first sentence was quoting silver. P.S. the "who are you quoting" meme is dead as fuck

>>31157654
who the fuck is even watching this shit still?

>>31157091
>authenticity
Kek, yeah, I’m sure Zen is the pinnacle of authenticity, same with Nyanners.

Who put a whore in charge of publicity?

>>31157091
Wow... EN vtubing was a mistake...

>>31162676
THAT'S WHY THEY CALL HIM THE GUNRUN

>>31157091
>n-normalize everyone having boyfriends so I don't look bad!!
Just accept your inferiority, or maybe just retire and make your man get a job.

https://discord.gg/DWydPruK vshojo sucks

>>31158274
>no YOU !
We're experiencing levels of cringe that shouldn't even be possible.

I'll reconsider after male streamers join vshojo.

>>31157091
Entryism in its purest form, literally "I will join you to make you just like everyone else"

>>31157091
If ever there was something to convince me that I am not the intended audience for vshojo, this is it. They're just normal streamers for normalfags

>>31157091
>Why don't these people understand anything about there industry?
Their understanding is to be the anti jap. Whatever the jap company does, do the opposite.

>>31163260
It's called Shojo for a reason, dummy.

>>31162569
Zoomers and literal retards

>>31157091
Nazuna said this?

>>31163441
No Silvervale did which is funny given she pulls in who level numbers

>>31157091
>"we can make awesome content"
don't they all just watch and react to kitchen nightmares and youtube vids on their streams?

They're painting themselves as the opposite of what Hololive is which is smart.
If anything they're doing (You) a favor.
Hololive fans won't drop their oshi just because Vshojo offers more horny/inclusive stream.
There's no direct competition with those two since their target audience are totally different.
It's Nijisanji that's being overtaken here.
tl:dr The normalfags and alphabet twitter crowd will watch Vshojo and stay away from Hololive all thanks to Vshojo since they painted Hololive as a company that doesn't submit to western progressive ideology

>>/vt/thread/27802637
some of this shit is real funny in hindsight

>>31163351
That's sexist and transphobic. Vshojo should follow in Nijisanji's footsteps and allow men to join the brand. It would own the incels and unicorns while sticking it to idol culture. ಠ◡ಠ

>>31157091
>vtubers
>normal streamers
Wow these retarded normalfag whores hiding behind anime avatars have no fucking idea what vtubing is actually about, huh? No one watches vtubers because they want "normal" streamers.
>authenticity
If I wanted authenticity I wouldn't be watching vtubers, you dumb cunt. I'd literally just go outside instead. I watch vtubers for escapism, not the opposite.
Vwhorejo is a disgrace to vtubing.

>Idol.
How did she define it?
From normalfag's point of view, aren't they also idols, since they form a group with only female streamers?

>While its idol culture roots might be great for the Japanese audience, it can also distance VTubers from Western fans who like authenticity.
I'm not sure if that sentence is intentionally arrogant or intentionally racist. impressive

>>31157091
The west doesn't care about idols, so why not? The 2nd most popular corpo is Niji and they don't have an idol/seiso image like holo either. Hell even within Holo you have girls trying to rebel against it, then there is EN. Holofags should just get over it. Most corpos don't aspire to be like hololive.

>>31164565
I think it's just unintentionally ignorant like most things those bitches do. They are so retarded that it makes them look meanspirited most of the time.

>>31157091
i hope this isn't real

>>31157091
Before I was content to just let Vwhorejo live it's separate existence but now it seems like they're trying to further push the agenda that idol culture is bad and everyone should think like Twitter fucks. Screw all these bitches.

>>31157091
where is this from and who said this?

Don't expect intelligence from a whore.
She probably doesn't know that Japan has a stronger streamer culture than the West.

>>31164953
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/silvervale-wants-stream-forever-vshojo-star-finds-purpose-vtubing-1891685/
It's unfortunately very real.

>>31157091
Nuxchads. It's our time. We need to fight back against this faggotry.

>>31164360
women
>(You) need to hit the gym, take a shower, buy nice clothes, educate and improve yourself, go outside, make 6 figures, be 6'1, have a large cock, be blessed with nice cake, be as handsome as a male model, and come from a high class background where you were well socialized by virtue of never having had to struggle or suffer in life
also women
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHOW DARE YOU ASK ME TO MAKE YOU A FUCKING SANDWICH YOU EVIL PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSOR

>>31165237
holy shit what a retard

>>31157091
Whores and trannies hate this man

>>31157091
Sometimes it feels like this board just looks for things to be angry at. If you guys hate vshojo, why does it matter what they say in interviews? Why spend time gossiping about people you don't like?

>>31166051
The problem here is that she's parroting retarded twitter bullshit and doesn't actually understand the industry she's talking about. Can't say I'm angry about it or have a need to gossip about the latest vshoujo yab but I am interested in the vtuber industry as a whole and the fact that this is coming from the biggest western vtuber company is just kinda sad

>>31166051
I just hate liars.

>>31166051
Because, like it or not, those vapid retards ARE the face of the industry in the west.

Does VShojo talk about their dads? I assumed they all had daddy issues.

>>31166051
>Sometimes it feels like this board just looks for things to be angry at.
I'd normally agree but she's kind of asking for trouble with this kind of statement. No reason to namedrop a rival company like that, it will obviously rile up the tribalists.

>>31157853
Holos can talk about their family and have their parents collab with them on stream but they have to use fake names. The fucking tyranny of it all. If only they had Talent Freedom(TM).

>>31157091
>You can have a relationship
You can do that in Hololive, only rule they have is you can’t fuck staff. Just don’t tell anyone
>You can talk about your family
Holos talk about their parents, brothers and sisters all the time.
>You can be yourself and do what you’ve always done
This can also be done in Hololive
>Huge support network
Yeah, that’s in Hololive
>Vtubers can make awesome content
Not in Vshojo they can’t
God they are so unlike Hololive in every way!

>>31158344
Just pirate the movie retard.

>>31157091
>We're not like Hololive. You can talk about your parents
Holy shit, this fucking whore. Almost every HoloEN member have talked about their family on stream already.
>You can have a relationship.
Sure. That's been going really well with Nyanners, right?
>Be yourself. Huge support network and grow community. Be a force of nature in the West.
That's already something Hololive provides, even more so than ShitShojo with all of the collabs and partnerships they've been able to get. WTF is she on?
>Authenticity
Just another way of saying they get to act like whores on stream.
>We're just normal streamers.
These bitches mostly react to YT videos... so, she's true on that aspect, I guess.

>>31167120
Silver doesn't but she streams with her mom and her brother regularly.

>>31157091
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAH STOP HAVING EXPECTATIONS OF ME
lmao

>>31166051
>>31167209
>namedrop a rival company
This is the problem, especially as their 2 newest members have a well documented and controversial history with that company. It comes off as petty, vindictive and unprofessional.

>>31166051
Because these people are the ones that are allowed to Collab with holos for some reason

>>31157091
I just realized this is literally just
>I'm not like other girls
but with a company. Vshojo is literally the "I'm not like other girls" company. Amazing, no wonder it's got these kinds of girls in it.

>Talent Freedom
What talent?

>>31168630
Lying, apparently.

>>31168594
It's ironic because the I'm-not-like-the-other-girls schtick for vshojo means that they're just like every other e-girl on twitch.

>>31157091
>Authenticity
>Fake whores hiding behind vtuber model.
How ironic. No streamer is "real". They put up a front. That's how entertainment has lived up until now.

>>31157091
>Authenticity
What's authentic about a dude using text to speech to larp as a woman?

>>31157091
I'm a Hololive fan, but I have no problem with what she's saying. Different groups should do different things.

>>31169935
Problem is that they poison the well implying Holo is a bad model to follow.
Pretty sure your side is in a dismal place if your strengths are best described in how you're better than others and how they are shit.

>>31157091
Stupid vshitshow cunts just can't stop themselves from saying dumb shit.

>>31170231
Basically Silvervale says that Hololive is bad because Vshojo can do exact same things Hololive can. She is not the sharpest tool.

>>31170441
I mean, you expect her to actually know anything about what Hololive is actually like? She's just repeating the strawman everybody has built up for Twitter points and that she imagines Hololive to be based on secondhand knowledge.

>>31163785
>vwhorejo overtake chinkysanji
I don't even watch nijisanji but rumao, good luck

>>31170721
You are absolutely right. It's just that it seems so braindead to go into interview and spout that discord level nonsense. But what do I know. Maybe her fans love it and she is happy.

>we're just normal streamers
I just don't get it. This is like the equivalent of a Coke exec going into an interview and saying 'We're not that different from everyone else! We just sell sugar water'.
Disregard everything else and it is still an absolutely baffling stance. The only way I can see this making sense is if they've taken their four-figure viewerbase for granted as a baseline and think that the main thing holding them back from hanging with the top streamers is being seen as just for weebs and 'niche'. Lady, you're going to get eaten alive out there.

>>31158274
>say something retarded
>that's retarded
>WOW BRO RENT FREE

>>31157091
>western fans who like authenticity

I'm gonna join the NFL and get rid of field goals, also you can no longer throw the ball, to make it more palatable to the european audience because I love football so much

>>31157091
So like Nijisanji?
Or just any random independent Japanese VTuber?

Should I be concerned that the reactions to this on /vt/ have been nearly identical to the reactions of Redditors in that vtuber subreddit?

>>31171778
Maybe you should go back to your subreddit

>>31164565
It’s just western women ideas being completely out of step with every other part of the world. Almost astonishing the cognitive dissonance

>>31171778
Don't forget the holofags on twitter literally copying posts from here like vtuber cringe. Yikes.

>>31171778
No. Bullshit is bullshit. Some things you just can't spin, no matter where you are.

>>31158344
>he pays for the movies
you can't be this stupid

>check vshojo thread
>no one cares
But they're supposed to be panicking right now! Aren't they afraid of the collab ban?!?

>>31171680
>Hololive becomes popular in the west
>"Wow! They're like real life anime girls"
>Vshojo
>"No. We've decided westerners do not like this. We should remove this."

>>31172473
I can't care about what vshojo fans think if they don't think in the first place anon

>>31160110
That carries the same weight as saying Tesla (Not Elon's shill brand) is just a Edison ripoff. Kinda dumb anonchama.

>>31157091
Vshojo are the Jews of vtubing

>>31157091
you can say all of this without mentioning hololive lol. is this an answer to a direct interview?

>>31157091
I'll be honest, the whole EN sphere of vtubing completely misses the point of what Vtubing is about. The whole gig is playing a fucking anime character that plays games and interacts with the audience as that, a fucking character. People do not care about your private live, people do not care who are you getting fucked by, people do not care about anything that's behind the damn character you're supposed to portray. The moment you don't play your part you're a fucking failure as a vtuber, because you just become a normal streamer.

>>31173092
But if the person your fucking is an anime character too then talking about them can be in character? Anything can be in character if you want it to be.

Let's talk about the real stance of VShojo for a moment. VShojo does NOT, I repeat, does NOT give "freedom to talents" or "freedom to VTubers".

What VShojo does is recruit only the highest profile persons and take credit for their work.
From the viewer perspective, there is no difference between those persons as independents or as VShojos.
For VShojo to "give" freedom, those talents would have to be unwillingly restricted beforehand, which is the case for no people in their group so far, because these very restrictions are the by-product of those high-profile talents interacting with the world at large.

If you believe for even a second that VShojo provides "freedom", then you are claiming the following:
>It's okay for VShojo to stream games that have no streaming permissions given to any party.
>It's okay for VShojo to stream live sex on Twitch and Youtube.
>It's okay for VShojo to talk about Taiwan's rightful rule of Greater China.
>It's okay for VShojo to host a stream talking about the Prophet Mohammed being a pedophile
If these can't be done, those talents don't have freedom.

But Anon, you say, those are such extreme examples! That's crazy! You're a nutbag!
Everything falls on a scale. The listed things are generally accepted as things that shouldn't be done.
But WHY is that? Because if you don't do these things, you will lose corporate support.
The very thing VShojo claims it doesn't need.

What a farce.

Everything falls on a scale, and just like independent Vtubers can escape the eyes of many people watching to perform more actions, VShojo is similarly a small entity that is largely ignored.
This won't stay the same as they grow. And they will drop all of the claims of freedom over time as a result.

>>31163920
>Used to do escort services at cons
Wait, what?

>>31173092
Nah it's supposed to be a bit of both. You play a character but the character's personality is informed by your own personality. You're still supposed to lean into the character though and maintain kayfabe otherwise the avatar is pointless.

>>31173392

>>31173506
Yeah bro trust me I have no proof but she totally did you just had to be there.

What's especially hilarious to me is the very actively coordinated and promoted effort to market themselves everywhere as the TALENT FREEDOM group and position themselves as being some kind of antithesis to Hololive feels substantially more scummy and corporate than the other corporations.

They come across more as a shitty cynical modern corporation than any corporation in the vtuber industry.

>>31173635
>more scummy and corporate than the other corporations.
I mean hololive leeched off nijisanji hard in the beginning only to ghost them after getting popular. That's worse than just saying "we are different".

>>31173392
This. I challenge any member of Vwhorejo to play GTA 5 and repeat the classic "NIGGA" just like Miko

>>31174061
After hololive sings moonman

>while [vtubing]'s idol culture roots might be great for the japanese audience,
>it can also distance vtubers from western fans who like authenticity
i.e. Japanese love fake things and don't like authenticity (before you say strawman consider that they could easily write this in a less contrasting way)

>there can be an agency that's not like Hololive
>you can be yourself
>just be yourself
i.e. Hololive vtubers are all fake

This article and her statements are (1) racist against japanese and (2) a thinly veiled jab at hololive. Statements like these would be actually organization-ending in Japan, but the standards in the west are different.

>>31157091
This is why you should have fucking gate keeping the hobby. Keep saving these 2view thots on twitch, allowing fleshtuber to use the medium as their will and unironically watching Vwhore will doom vtuber forever.

>>31174312
Are you Mr. Fantastic? Because you are reaching pretty far.

>>31174247
Which member of Vwhorejo sang Moon Man after they joined the company?

>>31173359
Learn eigo properly before asking stupid question, ESL

>>31167934
Post the nyanner stats I haven't seen them in months

>>31173392
Yeah, carrying that kind of freedom under the name of corpo is impossible

>>31174478
Nyanners

>>31166051
Because being quiet is why the world and Internet has become how it is.

>>31157091
>Western fans who like authenticity.
>Using an avatar to stream
That's not quite how that works. Focusing on the West is a waste. The Vtuber fad is dying. New viewers and subs are plateauing and only the established chuubas will see any reasonable success.

>>31172506
Ex twitch thots tried to corrupt weeb's hobby after their accusation didn't work. Many such case

>>31157853
You know what's more retarded?
THE ONLY VTUBER AGENCY TO OUTRIGHT BAN FAMILY MENTION SO FAR IS FUCKING NIJISANJI

>>31174799
Show me the timestamp and the date when she sang

>>31158163
What did the reply say?

>>31172506
>Wow! They're like real life anime girls
No one said that. Hana was right all along.

>>31175116
What about Hana's dad streams?

>>31157091
>Idol culture roots
What?

>>31174446
Oh, she didn't say any of these explicitly. So you can say that I'm reaching, but it's within arms reach.

The writing very clearly implies what I said, otherwise they wouldn't have to use these comparisons. It would have been very easy to just NOT mention hololive, but instead, she used it as something to step on, instead of lifting vshojo up on its own.

There's a reason you don't see JP vtubers randomly mention corpos (or names in general). Especially not to use as a punching bag. This girl clearly doesn't have a filter so I'm kinda excited to see what kind of faux pas she has in the future.

>>31175335
They ban any family mention or guest since last year, I think Utako said that on a stream
She wanted to bring her IRL sister on stream but management said no

>>31175335
The last Papa Macchia on stream appearance was back in the ancient age of 2020 anon, let him go

>>31175465
So you've read every article with JP vtubers? Besides holo's have mentioned vshojo by name before like Polka and Haachama. But I guess they don't count, right?

>>31175595
Let's not get distracted to semantics. Silvervale straight up lied.

>>31175595
Sorry, I wanted to say "rarely".
But I hope that example you provided gets to the meat and potatoes of the matter.

>>31159046
She was being harassed by management and she leaked one of the chats featuring said managers.

>>31173506
>>31173630
That's the second time I've heard someone say that. A google didn't reveal any results, so I'm tempted to say it's fake, but apparently it's been a rrat for a while.

>>31175798
Nope. Only in your holoshill mind she did.

>>31173392
To pull back on the schizoposting here, the point is correct. Take a look at Vshojo's sponsors. Yes, if you didn't know Vshojo is actually sponsored by other companies. To see them scroll to the bottom of their main page (found here: https://www.vshojo.com/ ). Just to list them for Anon's who hate clicking links:
>GoodSmileCompany
>Funimation
>Square Enix
>SEGA
>Capcom
>Ubisoft
That's right. Ubisoft. The company that everyone agrees is actual shit. Funny thing is, did you know that not a single member of Vshojo has ever talked poorly about Ubisoft? Or any of the sponsors they have. In fact, the only one who's ever shit talk Ubisoft was Melody 5 days before she ever joined Vshojo. See image. Instead, there's various posts of them sucking up to these sponsors from various members.
Is this schizoposting as well? Yeah. But my rrats have proof. If Vshojo had "Freedom for Talents" then why do these chuubas only ever suck up to their sponsors? Because it's biznez. Who in their right mind would ever talk bad about their sponsors? The only reason would be if those sponsors turned out to be incredibly corrupt... well more corrupt than Ubisoft.
At the end of the day, Vshojo is just another company trying to get part of the market share and the best way to do so is by giving an idea for people not in the know to latch onto. The easiest one is "Freedom". Look at Apple's Think Different advertising campaign. This whole thing is just plain retarded. If you can't win against a more dominate company the easiest thing is to discredit their current ideas with a simple subversion.
>Why doesn't Hololive let the girls talk about their relationships? They're pretty controlling.
Instead, ask why it's important to know about their relationships. I want to watch a quirky girl stream about a certain thing. Maybe they're too influenced by celeb gossip and they HAVE to know every detail. But that's a bit much for me, just watching their videos is enough for me.

God, I'm blogposting. Fuck me.

>>31175905
Impressive denial Vshojofriend. Are you a flatearther perhaps?

>>31175830
I'm not referring to the Mel situation.

>>31175256
They literally did. I saw people say that. It was one of the things that got people to look at them in the first place. It doesn't last, but it's an appeal unique enough to get people to check them out.

>>31163512
Her average is 5k which is Kiara level.

>>31175984
>that
>talking shit
She's literally playing an Ubisoft game. You're trying to sound smart but can't understand irony?

>>31176146
>Her average is 5k which is Kiara level
The weakest HoloEN

>>31175984
Corpo... corpo never change

>>31158453
So it's being an indie vtuber with better marketing?

>A california roll restaurant to open Japanese branch
>A hired whore said, "I want you to know the sushi of a developed country, not the old-fashioned sushi of Japan."

Why isn't JP offended?

>>31176003
Actually many of the Hololive graduations involve asshole managers now that you point that out.

>>31175798
I'm not saying she lied. She didn't say the truth either. What she said is a matter of opinion that you can't really assign truth to, but in the end it's uncouth and should have been better left unsaid.

>>31176220
>Lets dance until I give up and play minecraft
At this point she was still deep into being a virtual camgirl. There was a reason she was playing JustDance. Do your reps.

>>31176393
Well you can elaborate on that then.

>>31176323
You think JPs don't shit talk gaijin vtubers?

>>31176397
>What she said is a matter of opinion
No it isn't. She made specific statements that are not true.

>>31176265
Ame and Bae hover around 4k when they are not playing Minecraft. Sana was also below that before the graduation announcement.

>>31176534
They have that right, since japs created Vtubers. Western Vtubers only got on that wagon when they saw the money

>>31176323
American sushi is different from Japanese sushi.

>>31173522
I always viewed like Kermit the frog. Sure, Kermit goes on Jimmy Kimmel or whoever, and the host talks to him like he's actually a real frog running the muppet show. We all know that it's Jim Henson under the desk, but we're not here to see him. We're here to see Jimmy Kimmel talk to Kermit.

>>31176717
Yes, but their avarage mog Silverwhore

>>31176730
I mean japs wouldn't even have computers if not for the west so they wouldn't have been able to create vtubers without the west if that's how you want to be. Also, you will never be Japanese.

>>31176492
For one, that idiot manager modding chinks in Coco's channel destroying it was what finally made her jump ship and execute a graduation funeral making herself a martyr only to join Vshitshow and piss off everyone

>>31176730
Kizuna created VTubers and Nijisanji expanded them by focusing on livestreams. Then Hololive forced idol and GFE shit while their fanboys pretend they invented chuubas.

>>31176938
And what does that have to do with Silvervale being a lying idiot?

>Hololive talents have to settle for bland copypasted idol bikini's for Summer outfits. Thanks, Susan.

>Meanwhile, over on Twitch...

Talent. Freedom.

/qa/ lost

>>31176717
twitch views and youtube views aren't comparable, twitch doesn't cull viewers like youtube.

>>31176884
And the West would have no anime without Japan, so their ethots would still not exist even with computers

>>31176938
>piss off everyone
Holofags aren't everyone and never will be. Pretty sure vshojofags are happy about it.

>>31177046
Anime is just copying western cartoons.

>>31176963
Kizuna AI is an idol, retard

>>31176872
Bae and Sana average is 4k and 5k respectively. Ame had a higher average but it seems to be dropping for some reason.

>>31177067
Only "Holofags" that gave a flying fuck about that were from /here/. Elsewhere those two were ignored as persona non grata.

>>31177165
Source?

>>31177010
I hate Vshojo. But I can't wait to see these two become literal whores. This board would explode.

>>31177174
So you didn't watch the kson reval at AX then? Plenty of holofags were there cheering.

>>31176492
I think there are four graduations that involve bad managers.

>>31177113
I can definitely see where March Comes in Like a Lion gets it’s inspiration from King of the Hill.

What this thread has taught me :
vshojofags doesn't think their oshi has special skills.
If vshojo was a Japanese company vshojofag would not exist

>>31177039
It seems botting is way easier on YouTube.

>>31177113
And Western cartoons would not exist without the paper and ink that were invented in the East

>>31177243
That schizo calling her Jesus was absolutely livid about it

>>31177118
Kizuna content was comedy bits early on.

>>31175984
>All the companies that sponsor them are hardcore globohomo companies
Every day the CIA connection becomes more and more plausible

>>31177243
>So you didn't watch the kson reval at AX then?
Of course not. Why would've I? Anyway, about these mythical "holofags"... did they have a "holofag" tattoo on their forehead? How many did you count?

>>31177449
Holomems are also comedian idols

Bottom line is that Silvervale lied and no amount of handwringing or goalpost moving will change that.

>>31177608
You have to be funny to be a comedian.

>>31177270
Tezuma was actually inspired by Disney cartoons.

>>31177643
Funnier than Vwhorejos

>>31177639
>I-If I keep saying it, it has to be true!

Why would they think it would be good PR to just dog on another company for no reason? This would look just as bad if they had badmouthed any other vtuber agency. It's just tacky.

>>31177384
You could make animations with tablets and human blood tho.

>>31177608
Kizuna introduced herself as a Virtual YouTuber that wanted to do livestreams, VR content, and star in a commercial. Her making music was probably inspired by Miku.

>>31177706
>I-If I keep saying it, it has to be true!
She said you can't talk about yourself and your parents in Hololive. That's a total lie.

>>31177706
It's literally in the interview for anyone to read. If you don't understand English that much, use Deepl or ask friend to help.

>>31177730
>thinks VShojo has managers or proper PR

>dump thousands into new models, commissioned lore videos, redesigns
>do react streams anyway
>we're just normal streamers

I don't get it

>>31177730
She didn't dog on anything. Saying that two different things are different isn't an attack unless you are delusional and have thin skin.

>>31173392
>>31175984
I kneel

>>31175116
Huh? Why?

>>31177730
>Why would they think it would be good PR to just dog on another company for no reason?
Silver might have done this interview with no input or knowledge from Vshojo. Because muh talent freedom.

>>31158163
So they're going to pull a nux?

>>31177890
>sell your soul to a corporation for money and fame
>just do boring minecraft and movie watchalong streams
I don't get it

>>31174312
>i.e. Japanese love fake things and don't like authenticity
Well, she's not wrong on that
Could have worded it better, but she's not wrong

>>31157091
Whose words are these? Was this said by a specific vshojo member or this is a company statement?

>Becoming a VTuber in those early days was more of a challenge than it is nowadays. While it might seem hard to break into today, back then you were working in the dark. There were very few, if any, resources out there about making models and getting motion tracking to work. That’s if you even knew where to look, which Silver didn’t.

>She managed to get a custom model (a white-haired wolf girl to start with) and started streaming Black Desert Online, often “playing for 12 hours a day grinding forever to no one”.

>However, someone finally managed to show her the light: “I had my friend Shachi, she found me when I was a little no one playing BDO and she said ‘you’re a VTuber’ — and that’s when I figured out what a VTuber was.

I wonder what happened to this friend. Sounds like a cool dude.

>>31178004
There are 255 and 111 IPs in this thread so far, I'm pretty sure at least 130 messages are literally from yourself trying to do damage control, just kys retard Vshill

>>31178004
Even without the "creative freedom" their content has more variety than the competition. It is impressive

>>31178165
Meds

>>31177730
This is because honesty about vshojo's activities is not good PR.

>>31178004
>i-if I pretend Hololive only plays Minecraft and does movie watchalongs that'll make it true!
Nobody tell this poor delusional Vshojo watcher about the bag review, the feet review, or Haachama's lobster murder party

>>31178191
>Number of posters didn't increase
Naruhodo... I got all the info I needed, enjoy your restreams bro but tell your whores to stop lying and spreading shit

>>31178176
There is variety but managers still need to approve everything and can cancel their projects and ideas.

>>31158453
You left out the part where it's only applicable to well established vtubers

>>31178231
Don't bite such an obvious bait, anon

>>31178231
Works both ways. Where is the hololive tech deck stream?

>>31178231
add karaoke streams with their mother

>>31178231
I heard people here complain about Haachama having to private some of her videos.

>>31178339
Where's the Vshojo concert at Makuhari Messe?

>>31178404
Big live concerts are purely a matter of money.

>>31178261
Management needs permissions to avoid unnecessary strikes, just yesterday Rio (HoloStars) had his video taken down by an autistic jap dev

>>31157091
I'm really hoping most of these girls move one to the next fad by next year. Fingers crossed.

>>31178465
Nice cope

>>31178404
Where's hololive at VILLS?

>>31178486
Game permissions make sense but management permissions go beyond that.

>>31175844
Nvm it's real, just been covered up good.

>>31178604
It's literally just a matter of spending the money. How do you think concerts work?

This thread is proof that Holodrones will get man at anything and it's hilarious. At least nijniggers aren't this pathetic lol

>>31161702
Japanese vtubing aside, Western vtubing scene also has several companies that have different model of business compared to Hololive
Why the hell is Vshojo acting as if there are only two companies, Vshojo and Hololive in the vtubing scene?

>>31178706
Not now nijinigger, your new wave has a 3view not even 1 month after debut

>>31178713
>Why the hell is Vshojo acting as if there are only two companies
They aren't. They're just mentioning the two biggest ones. Why would you mention something like vspo or 774 when nobody in the west would recognize these literal whos.

>>31178655
Yes, Japanese are more cautious than Westerners when it comes to making decisions. For example, this kind of controversial interview would never be approved by management

>>31157091
The funny thing is that Vshojo and Niji are all Holorejects

>>31157091
Western whores make a point of inserting themselves into any and all industries and fandoms and claiming they do everything best. Save yourself some brain cells and don't pay them any mind.

>>31178814
Now, this is some hilarious projection from a holodrone.

>>31164565
So what about VshojoJP? What Japanese fans of theirs?

>>31178814
Coco...
Rushia...

>>31178796
Idol culture is not representative of Otaku culture as a whole.

>>31178847
>projection
Nigger, the niji discord leak straight up had them talking in private about getting rejected from Hololive. It's not projection when it's fact
>>31178879
>coco forced out for wanting to act like a whore
>rushia forced out for being a whore
Still rejects

>Holodrone holodrone holodrone
>Whenever Vshojo does something retarded (three times a day) they are the fastest to jump in every thread trying to do control damage
It's all so tiresome...

>>31178879
Rushia sure as shit was rejected hard.

>>31178704
They put in money and physical effort to do these concerts. I doubt any Vshojo would have that kind of dedication to their fans

>>31178912
so you're just talking nijiEN whores. Yep, you're definitely projecting your garbage takes in this thread.

>>31178465
Hololive content has a shitload more variety and creativity than Vshojo and Holos get far more opportunities like performing at concerts and having pop up cafes. This would be perfectly fine if Vshojo just stayed in its lane but instead they choose to throw stones which is a stupid thing to do when they live in a glass house.

>>31166051
So you want us to instigate something against Vshojo instead? Honestly, the statements of this ignorant whore can be used to instigate something against the JP audiences

>>31178954
>shojofag calling other agency girls 'whores'
Vshojo brings a new meaning to the word. If you could quantify the whore-ness of each girl into numbers, vshojo would be greater than every other agency combined. Including small ones

>>31178904
But it is part of the Japanese culture, which Silver rejects so much

>>31178919
Sit down holodrone. We all know you catalog niggers only watch vshojo 24/7 just to see if they'll fuck something up and post it in the catalog once some nothingburger happens.

>>31178925
Singing and dancing? Smells like idol culture. Not gonna fly in Vshojo.

>>31177244
>I think
So all you have is your own biased speculation, nice.

>>31157091
If you want freedom just be a fucking indie.

>>31179050
Yeah kson said something like that

>>31178921
More like ejected, amirite.

>>31179083
She's still has freedom, something holodrones seethe about everyday.

>>31159014
This is what this bitch doesn't get, if i wanted a flesh streamer, which i actually watch a few, I would definetely not go for her of all people LMAO. I want to believe this was her being either naive or just her company making up stuff for her, I really don't want to believe this bitch is so dumb as to spill false info + forgetting that Nijisanji fucking exists.

>>31178912
Everyone in HoloEN are whores, please graduate them as soon as possible, VShojo could use a free 3D studio.

>>31178141
can't believe they had the fucking balls to hyperlink the name to her channel too.

>>31179050
Didn't you hear Kson? They are indies under contract with a company roru

>>31179107
>freedom
Other than making penis jokes and doing youtube react content, what exactly is she doing now that she couldn't before? That's right, nothing. She wanted the freedom to be a lazy fucking hack and she got it. Now she's making actual bottom-feeder content. Thank fuck hololive has standards

>>31179154
What's next? you think xQc is owned by GFuel too? I swear holodrones have the dumbest takes in this fucking thread.

>>31178925
>money and physical effort
That's money and money.

>>31179190
>what exactly is she doing now that she couldn't before?
Playing games without needing permission and streaming without having to ask for permission on what content she has to stream. Checkmate, holodrone.

>Number op IPs isn't rising
So the holodrone retard and the schizo that I called out earlier making 140 posts in this thread are the same person...
Na~ho~ne

>>31175555
wait really? I'm so far out of the loop

>>31179029
Actually I meant to say Japanese culture rather than Otaku culture. Otaku shit is seen as noxious to most Japanese people.

>>31179269
>125 IPs
>I-I swear it's just one g-guy!
Hilarious

>>31179248
>check kson's games in the last month
>rfa, stray, hades, ark
Looks like she's doing all the same shit that hololive already has perms for. Next argument?

>>31179335
She didn't have to ask for permissions to stream this, you fucking retard. Also you sound like you missed half of my fucking post. Where's your argument on that?, you retarded holodrone.

>>31179199
They still have to follow rules dictated by the company

>>31179387
>hurrr lemme move goalposts again
>also throw in another "holodrone"
>durr I showed him this time

>>31179152
>can't believe they had the fucking balls to hyperlink the name to her channel too.
Actually they fucked up and got the wrong name and channel.

>>31179425
>literally cherry picking the games hololive has permissions for
>ignoring all the games she played on stream that hololive will never have permission for
>now just greentexting because he doesn't have any arguments left
Typical holodrone post tactic. Gaslight the poster you're arguing with so you look like you're winning huh.

Also I accept your, concession.

>>31179451
Damn

>>31179387
Good luck with the Japanese copyright law

Anon, just post some naked hag, that would be the best thing you could do in your pathetic life and we can laugh after seeing the 150 deleted messages in this thread outing yourself as the retarded schizo you are

>People bragging about rising IP numbers.
Rumao rumao.

>>31179242
Even with all the money in the world IronLung couldn't dance kek

>>31179509
>copyright law
>on indies
Yep, holodrones are fucking stupid.

>>31174312
>Statements like these would be actually organization-ending in Japan
Someone translate them and post them to 5ch.

>>31179557
Could you imagine if it was just one dude resetting his browser a bunch of times.

>>31179563
>Vwhorejo
>indies

>>31179559
Well that's why they hired a paid dancer.

>>31179609
yeah sure, enjoy your 0 replies because no one in japan knows who silvervale is.

Man her voice filters me

>>31179609
>post them on the stolen site owned by a Jewish American guy

>>31179631
Now that's one schizo statement that I would have never thought about.

>>31178704
I've sung and danced on a stage in my past. What is shown is around 30 minutes to an hour of content. What isn't is literal months of rehearsal where you are practicing different song lists that can change even right before the event, hours of dancing and choreo, workouts and stretching. You act like money goes in and then out pops a concert, when production is, in reality, a huge process.

>>31179653
It's sad that your chuubas don't pay dancers, money is no problem

>>31166051
Normally I would just shift+ click these threads, but the bitch really named dropped Hololive in a fucking interview, spewed bullshit and painter her company as something never seen before when Nijisanji fucking exists.

>>31179493
Also amusing because both are in HoloEN now.

>OH NO SHE NAME DROPPED HOLOLIVE
lmao who cares

This one damage control schizo went straight to the deep end. Why even try, the whole thing is clear as day.

>>31179665
But they know who Nazuna and kson are, and they know they belong to Vwhores.

>>31179758
Yeah imagine someone being able to just reset their IP. Unpossible.

>>31179745
What point are you even trying to make

>>31179931
Yes and? What does this have anything to do with Silvervale dropping Hololive in her interview.

>>31179771
>admitting to being a failed idol whore
Sad.

>>31179987
Same company

>>31180021
So you're just a schizo, thank you for clearing that up.

>>31179779
But they hired dancers.

>>31179972
It's weird that people pretend it's a Japanese website.

>>31179993
...Anon, anyone who has done any sort of performing arts in school has gone through something similar.

>>31179745
not anymore

Silver mentioning Ame rm is a bigger deal than her mentioning Hololive anyway. Although the website fucked up and mentioned Mumei rm instead.

>>31172473
Vshojo + already came to the consensus that Silver was retarded and this might bring problems, on these threads we just laugh harder.

>>31180049
And why doesn't Vshojo also hire dancers for a concert? Your fanbase would love it

>>31180234
5ch is owned by Watkins while 2ch is owned by Hiro.

>>31157091
It's like she actually thinks that the Hololive girls have to stay "in character" to the point of not being able to mention their families or something.

>>31179993
I'm a male and just did it for fun in middle school... reaching for anything now, aren't you? Also it should be mentioned that all that is only middle school hobbyist level, and anything above that is multiple orders of magnitude higher in terms of scale and intensity.

>>31180288
Wait they actually talk about her there? I've seen people loosely related getting more discussion

>>31180286
It's funny that the chuuba who helped her is part of the Hololive

>>31180365
See: >>31180049

>>31180427
Even red headed bastard child gets mentioned when she shits the bed.

>>31180405
Yeah, I realized I had them mixed them up after sending the reply

>>31180462
Did they have a concert?

>>31180223
Theatre follows a script while a small band would just play whatever they want without asking permissions.

>>31180523
Confirmed for threadwatcher.

>>31180485
>red headed bastard child
Who?

>>31180581
It's nice to know that they are going the idol route. Hololive has already proven that this is the way

>>31180426
Idol whore is a gender neutral term.

>>31157091
>authenticity
They see a pure girl and they think she's just faking it because she's not talking about cocks and sex all the time. Hilarious.

>>31180788
Anon, the thread is on page 8. You don't have to bump it anymore.

>>31180659
Just don't ask what they did with the idol outfits after the concert.

>>31180538
He's talking about the practice time. They don't just get up onto the stage and start jamming. If you want to be reasonably certain of delivering a good performance complete with choreography, one song would probably take four to six four-hour supervised sessions to reasonably lock down (assuming you put in some off-the-books practice). Now you have to repeat that for an entire concert's worth.

>>31180652
It's a saying.

>>31178781
How about FUCKING NIJISANJI?

>>31157091
>We don't want to act like anime girls.
Guess I'll keep watching hololive, then.

>>31157091
How can she say so much stupid shit in just a few sentences.

>>31157091
>You can be yourself
I don’t want Coco to be herself

>>31179843
She didn't have to lie about a competing company. I don't think it's going to hurt Hololive in the long run but it is going to make stuff like collabs a bit harder for more professional and likable vshoujo members. I would have love to see more Holos go on IronMouse's show.

>>31166051
>If you guys hate vshojo, why does it matter what they say in interviews? Why spend time gossiping about people you don't like?
I'm just venting my frustration...because I know the redemption arc won't come. Anime with those kinds of endings...aren't fun to watch.

>>31159641
>When a person tries to get "authentic", it's incredibly boring
Yeah. Americans are obsessed with "being real". Mary, i only care about your value as an entertainer. Im not showing you to my parents so stop not pretending.

But we already had shit like Vox. If you want freedom just join them.

>>31157091
>Claim that their members can talk openly about their family
Hololive can do that too, but keeping their name and face secret because that's sane thing to do
>Western fans who like authenticity
Tell that to Joji fans who shit on his actual persona. Or how they make smutty fanfics between two real people. Or how they only care about youtuber persona. The biggest streamer in the west is Dr Disrespect where she wear fake moustache and wig and talk like 80s action movie character.
>Huge support network
Hololive and other agency literally have managers taking care of their livers.Wtf she's talking about.

>>31158541
It will be funny when Japanese companies start telling Kson and Nazuna to ask permission first.

>>31182723
Speaking of that dude
https://www.dexerto.com/apex-legends/dr-disrespect-breaks-mouse-heated-apex-legends-rage-1908310/

>>31173092
It's not easy to play character if they livestream almost every day for long hours
At one point, the personality of the person behind the character will slowly integrate with the character
Most holoJP are like this >>31173522 now

>>31158744
>wholes love preaching
You mean "American women love preaching"
Fucking tired of American female feminists trying to dictate what to do to other countries.

>>31182961
>pick me nationalism

>>31159046
So you're saying it's okay to doxx coworkers and ruining the management and leaking corporate info? Imagine that happened to Vshoj... oh wait, Nux Taku!

>>31163351
>Shojo (処女), the Japanese word for "female virgin"
So they are lying