/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Pathetic Darklings..

>>31032130
Oneesan sized Nade...

Speaking of, what sort of interview did she go to? Job application?

>>31032667
No idea, probably something like that

I love my nadewife!

Starting!
https://www.twitch.tv/nadechama

>>31032667
Interviewing to be my wife. She did well.

vip chat members and inner circles incoming

How did topics get here so fast?

>>31035354
When does the drawing start?

>>31035796
Nade's schedule entries are more of a suggestion.

>>31035796
She ignored the question so I guess she's not in the mood for it

>>31035796
I'm a little disappointed she's not drawing. Her art's so cute.

>>31036258
Same. Hopefully we get more variety once if she hits partner

>>31032972
How many of these do you have?

>>31039592
powerful。

>273 viewer raid

I haven't been able to participate much in chat, but are discussions between chatters becoming more common or something? I've usually responded at most twice to someone in chat before leaving a convo & refocusing on stream.

>>31040762
She got a bunch of new chatters recently, probably that's why
>usually responded at most twice to someone
Same

Oilbaron trying really hard tonight

>>31042826
Who

RATE

>>31043314
Tingly/10. Good listen while wageslaving.
>>31042826
Don't shit on oilbaron, he funds her projects.

>>31043314
I WILL breed with Nade and give her a lot of children!
Nade cute/10

>>31043598
Sorry I'm just paranoid after the last couple streams but I'll try to keep my malehera in check

>>31044046
Paranoid about? Nade's impervious to schizos.

>>31044046
>after the last couple streams
did I miss something?

>>31044046
Why? Only thing i can think of is the yesterdays new guy is hyper chatty.

It's her thoughts about d*scord, jealousy and equality between viewers. I feel like she's going to take another step towards becoming a "normal" western vtuber soon and I don't know if I'm ready for that change. (and it could open the door for her slowly erasing all the previous "rules" she set). I'm just an idiot who's overthinking it, probably

>>31044710
No Nade...
don't conform

>>31044710
Growth uber alles anon. Personally im interested where (wanted to say 'we' but i think we're about to get past that) the stream will be 5 months from now, unfortunately whether i like it or not, i think to expect Nade to stick to what we want would be selfish. Idol needs desires her masses.

>>31044710
She grew to 3views shockingly fast. Where do you think these views come from? Overwhelmingly normalfag. Her biggest oiler? Normalfag albeit a good intentioned one.

>>31044944
>shockingly fast.
I guess that what's causing my malehera, didn't think of this before. I wanna see her succeed and I want to support her but things happened so quickly which is good of course since she's growing but my boomer brain have a hard time adapting

>>31044944
the only thing keeping her becoming absolute normalfag twitch egirl are her occasional based takes and actual love for her fans
as long as I can see that side of Nade I'm not complaining

>>31045435
That and the fact that she has more than two brain cells to rub together. It's heartening to see that even as her views increase she hasn't turned into some vapid whore.

One day there will be so many chatters that Nade wont even have time to read out your shitty low quality chat message, which will make you feel like you were forgotten, sending you into a viewer menhera spiral ending in streamed suicide.

>>31045669
I think chatting is really stressful and makes the streams less fun so I'll devolve back to my lurker form, thankfully she has plenty of active chatters

>>31045669
real

Any easy quick Nade sketch request?

>>31046918
Sweaty naked Nade in an apron baking

>>31046918
Nade belly onegai

>>31045669
Simply write better chats. Make memes. Draw (or skeb) art. You see Nade's comments on equality as a discouragement. I see it as a chance.

>>31047829
I for one welcome Dorkling battle royal for Nade's hand in marriage

>>31048062
I have been preparing months for this battle. Come at me bros.

>>31047829
Thank you, thats very reassuring Nade

>>31048753
>"Let's pretend I'm still Nade."

>People have said that my personality is like a cat. I don't know what that says about me.

I don't wanna stuck as an outsider in yet another vtuber's community where I've been from the start just because I don't have the money or social skills to join the "higher ranks". I thought Nade will stay comfy, I hate this

>>31049252
Redpill as a longterm wvt viewer: Comfy and success are diametrically opposed. For sure a 2view chat will be comfy, you get every comment read & personal attention but it comes at the cost of the 2views own measures of success which are numbers.

>>31049252
Common dork, yosh yosh. Nade is resisting bribes like champ. Its hard to compete with people who can easily talk though, a lot of the times i feel its not worth to state the obvious, like the equivelant of "things are better when theyre good", but many chatters do and that carries the conversation somewhere interesting. In general i think her recent audience is pretty good. I honestly thought it would be much worse, at least theyre intelligent, more than me in many respects. I guess in the end the audience indeed reflect the chuba.

>>31049252
dorklingschizo momento

>>31049252
Should have chosen the better vtuber who debuted around that time romao

>>31049906
Also forgot to add. In the end it's all about supporting Nade in to her dream, not about me. When i remember that, the menhera in me subsides quickly. Youre just a faceless fan in the crowd, cheering your idol to her stage.

>>31050106
I'll take a Suisei wannabe over a whore anytime

>>31050163
nade audience is 70% attention starved goslings 20% genuine idolfags and 10% memers

>>31050336
>watches an asmr sellout whore

>>31049882
I don't mind that part as a lurker, I'm more worried about her recent statements and the possible future of showering a couple in attention probably even offstream while ignoring the rest.
>>31050163
I enjoy seeing her grow and finding success though, I don't want her to stay 2view and her new fans are well behaved for the most part.
>Youre just a faceless fan in the crowd
That works when everyone else is a faceless fan alongside me..
>>31049980
Sorry brain broken

>>31050497
>watches a druggie whore
We can do this all day retard.

>>31050646
I dont think we are talking about the same person... lol

>>31050517
someone is extremely jelly

>>31050669
Fair play if I misunderstood tho the only chuuba in my memory who debuted around her is a major lolcow.

>>31050828
Yeah I dont think so lol
the person who I'm thinking of isn't a lolcow

>>31050707
Yeah maybe vtubing isn't for me after all

>>31050669
>>31050880
that one leech is attention whore
idk if y'all talking bout her thought

>>31050517
>I'm more worried about her recent statements and the possible future of showering a couple in attention probably even offstream while ignoring the rest.

Anon rest assured. She has an impeccable track record many viewers would want their oshis to have. Even more so she actively reminds us shes unreacheable, wont have sex before marriage (with me) etc. Its ok to engage in guilty pleasure of self destructive thoughts, but dont get too over board as these fears are factually unfounded.

>>31050920
cope
seeth
yoshi yoshi I understand what you mean but that is just chuuba meta

>>31050828
>Lolcow
Please go back to kiwi

>come back to /nade/ after months
>pink gremlin is now white haired big tit whore
>twitch
>badgers complaining about dumb shit

Seems about right

>>31051069
til pipa follows Nade

>>31051172
baitchama...

>>31051172
stay gone retard, she doesnt want you any more

>>31051245
Doesn't seem like she wants anyone from 4chan now either kek

It seems the thread has been infested with foreigners trying to start shit.

>>31051275
not pandering to 4chan != disowning 4chan
she made it as a chuuba and grew beyond here

This thread is a circlejerk of 8-10 people usually talking about a chuuba who wants nothing to do with them. How pitiful

>>31051028
>>31051040
Thanks now I feel a little bit better about it. Probably gonna skip the weekend streams to touch some grass though

>>31040510
>273 raiders from KikyoBerry have joined!

>>31051493
Dont worry, ive been there too, while Nades attention is an instant kill shot to the menhera heart, its best to learn to live without it. There are many more greater anons and anonymous oil barons who did great deeds and asked nothing in return. If they can cope without validation so can we. Just remember it is all for her.

Meds. Now. All of you.

I need a Nade GF....

https://twitter.com/nadechama/status/1559955768748564480
Dont open it

>>31053023
I kek'd

>>31053023
amagah

>>31043314
It was comfy.
>>31045543
I only hope she isn't watching any vapid whores and thinking that's what brings numbers. I mean in a way it does bring them but you know.
>>31047829
This. Any participation in anything Nade is good. It's where I'm failing.
>>31051665
She said something like she was familiar with her, did I forget she raided her one time?

>>31047074
Maybe not baking, wanted to include the bento reference, too good to pass up.
>>31047089
Something of that sort is in the works.

>>31055357
Based as always
>include the bento reference
I was thinking of summer baking with the naked+sweat but even better

>>31055695
The hot summer + baking idea is still something to explore if only i could draw anime expressions easily.

Fixed proportions a bit.

>>31056047
Dammit, my autism wont let me rest if i leave that spec near her chin, that makes her look like she has stubble.

>>31056278
Now that's the good shit right there anon.

>>31056278
Didn't even notice it the first time. I kinda liked the big dumpy with belly version too. almost made her look pregnant

>>31056917
>Nadeshiko, prego with twins, in a naked apron, preparing dinner as you come back home from work.
Jesus, are you trying to get me a heart attack

>>31057497
Don't forget her bigger leaking tits in this https://files.catbox.moe/2uhpf0.png

>>31056278
>>31056917
>>31057497
>>31057746
based, but also down bad
there should be a term for horny dorklings

>>31058242
Lustlings?

I was rewatching past nade mikan collab and noticed this yab(?)
strange how no one here brought attention to it

>>31058242
She knew what would come from a L2D like that

>>31058366
>gelbooru
She was taught well. Also wonder what shes into on /jp/. But if seriously it could be old holdovers. I have /v/ in my search drop down and i haven't visited it in 6 months or more and theres no way to get rid of it. At least on firefox, not sure how chrome handles it.
>>31058242
Its good to let some steam off with imagination every once in a while, right?

>>31058366
-She kind of "confirmed" to still lurking /vt/ in a couple months ago only for watamelons and pegoras according to her, but she probably checks on us as well Bunch of vtubers of all sizes have been caught with /vt/ in their browser history, pretty normal at this point
-/jp/ makes sense for an idolfag
-In an early youtube stream she was helped to remove the loli filter from gelbooru and her reaction was glorious after succeeding, I wonder what's her favourite tags

>>31058796
>She was taught well
hear learning about boorus from chat was one of my favourite streams I must admit

>>31058954
>that squeal when she learned
Ahh memories. The squeal when she saw Beelzebub in Helltaker was nice too.

>>31058796
>Its good to let some steam off with imagination every once in a while, right?
Hornyposting is a good way to keep bad thoughts in check.

>>31058913
Does Nade have a favorite idol group?

>>31059758
I forget about a group but I know she likes Nako Yabuki.
>>31058366
Cute that she browses /jp/ too, makes sense. I don't know my icons though so what's the C?
>>31058242
>>31058330
D-lings, can stand for Downbadling, Desireling, or give her the Dickling,

>>31059758
In her past she mentioned she liked one specific idol but I forgot her name
about group I'm not sure, but if I had to guess it would be Nogizaka46

Nade seems to have taken all MMO guild references out of her Twitch/Twitter bios
>I'm Nadeshiko, a witch princess who gives you sweet dreams~ I love fairytales, history, and everything magical! Let me comfort you to sleep with my ASMR!

>Nade made a bunch of ogey face edits on phone
Maybe shes planning to reintroduce it back? Wondered if its possible to emulate the look in her new emote style. Does this work?

>>31062443
It really kind of faded away. However on debut it did add flavour in my opinion, i think it was a good move. Something couldve been done with it i guess, but its probably quite normal for all vtubers, especially corpos who get assigned themes, to eventually filter out what works and what doesnt.

>>31062874
Forgot example.

No Nade tomorrow...

>>31062443
She's either being fickle or more of her old guildies found her

>>31067196
Probably updating her bio now and then. Normal stuff.

>>31032130
haaawt

>>31062443
The Carrd link is gone too.

Thread is a collection of horny menheras

>>31079072
That describes the whole of /vt/ well.

>>31082472
Quite silly to get butt blasted about what's a nothingburger.

> somewhere out there either in a magazine or on the internet there are pics of Nade modeling in swimsuit on a beach..

>>31062943
Nice. I think it can work, maybe the eyes could be a little bigger

>>31090693
sex

>>31090693
One day she will reveal herself for us in her Elbe cosplay to reward the faithful dorklings, we just need to hang on until that day comes

>>31097586
I'll believe it. The sunken cost into being Nade fan is way too large to quit anyway. Not that id want to.

>>31097586
The green screen dancing possibility will satiate my imagination until then.

>so many goslings itt
>her biggest whale is a normalfag
what gives

>>31099457
I don't know about the others but I cut back on donos/throne stuff after he showed up. I'm glad she got an oilbaron outside of here so my wallet can take a rest

>>31099457
Guilt. I feel guilty spending money on non practical things due to childhood. Ive donated numerous times, but i have to convince myself how its a good decision. Nade is the only chuba ive donated to too. I will forever be grateful to the nameless ones, praise be the oil gods, and others, for lifting majority of the weight. Im honestly happy her new supporter is so well behaved and seemingly sane.

>>31099834
>>31100168
i feel you. its weird seeing that trend because the established rule is normalfags give ccv, unicorns give cash. pander to either depending on which you want more. nade does spreadsheet reps. she already figured this out tabun
chuubas live and die on those two numbers. while normalfags provide nade with both theres no reason she shouldnt pander to them.

>>31100357
Sasuga great guild leader Nadehime, always thinks ahead.

Speaking off. I was thinking on some observations at sub gifting. After the raid sometimes people would give random sub gifts, bit im thinking it would be much more logical to instead gift to raiders who are actually chatting, those are more likely to return. Otherwise the random algorythm gives it mostly to sleepers. Just a thought.

>>31099457
I would donate and give more, but I'm poor student who can barely afford electricity bills because of inflation...

>>31103781
I think that makes sense
hopefully subgifter chamas see this

Nade love

>>31104530
I see it but don't plan to change how I do it. I have a system for how I gift memberships.

>>31103781
The gift sub algorithm is designed to lure new people in, and stops picking you if you've been around for a while.

Did anyone draw NadePeepo yet?

Are people really going full menhera over being perceived "oldguard with no value"? I can't remember the last time nade didn't read my chat message. Nor have I seen her repeatedly ignore someone else, she just bans any new weirdos instead. It really feels like an exaggeration to say she's been intentionally ignoring any regulars.

If you don't want to donate, make fan content... or seemingly even chat with her, why care if she acknowledges your existence? It's really contradictory behavior if that's your goal or desire.

The special treatment talk is overblown and mostly a reach, but I'm honestly glad she's honest about how basic human interaction works. If someone puts in extra effort or care they receive special treatment, it's the world we live in. Take advantage of that or don't.

Just do the minimum by chatting, and it might give her some topics to bounce off of, making the overall experience for everyone better.

>>31110958
>people
It was just me and you kind of missed the point. Either way I'll keep my worries to myself in the future instead of bringing the whole thread down. Sorry

>>31111263
there were a few replies to you with similar sentiments, so I just generalized. maybe I don't fully get what your concern is aside from nade changing. One or two more stream makeovers is nothing, badgers have already been rolling in their graves for months. You can't really expect a young woman to not constantly change like the wind's direction.

I'm not extremely invested I just like to hear someone laugh about dumb shit, and the calm aspect of asmr also makes sure that atmosphere stays intact. If that atmosphere goes away, I can leave with no restraints or qualms.

sunk cost fallacy bumming you out, (a hypothetical at that) is a waste of energy. You might even end up liking nade more than before.

anyways I doubt anyone cares if you vent, she's not even gonna stream, this thread should have been dead yesterday. she might consider your concerns if she reads it, that's worthwhile enough.

>>31112708
>concern
I guess it's a combination of things from her sudden growth and the changes it could bring to past experiences with other vtubers among other things, hard to put it to words in a way to have it make sense for others. and it's my fault for having an image of her that only exists in my head

>>31112708
I like having a free Nade thread on the off day for loose banter and dorkposting, makes my day to interact with the none community about my oshi, makes the work hours pass quicker.

>>31110958
exactly, you cant have your cake of anonymity and eat the reward of her attention too. shes been open that shes very grateful to the guys who use their own cash to support her. which is expected since she knows how shitty working is. why do you think she owes you equal attention when you dont give equal support as others? thread is going to explode in seethe when she opens patreon kek

>>31113609
It seems your issues are more deeprooted in yourself rather than nade in that case. I have no flimsy advice for what you're going through.

>>31114133
if it's patreon only asmr or something I could see people getting upset. otherwise I don't feel like it's that big a deal really. I like conversing with nade but I'd put her actual asmr skill level at a 4/10 compared to the 500+ asmr artists I've listened to over the years. Her roleplay videos are pretty rough around the edges, but she'll get better. I almost sent her a tism marshmallow about what she's lacking, but I decided against it.

>>31032130
Has anyone else here made positive changes in their own life as a result of watching Nade?

>>31115065
imo spergs will sperg out about patreon only diaries even though theyre like member posts kek.

>>31114133
>>31115220
Nah I wouldn't mind paywalled content either as long as the streams are unaffected and they are available to everyone who pays for it

>>31115076
I now live with with the self care moto of "look like a fan Nade wouldnt be embarassed to stand next to". Though i sometimes get stressed out too much if i know im gonna miss a Nade stream.
>>31115220
People can just repost pirated content.
>>31115065
I think her no talking asmr is up there with the best/favorite of mine, not necessarily because of its Nade but just how well the 3 hour content meshes with the noises she made. I could write a review of it or something. Best thing is she had loke 5 or so tricks that she very frequently switched around. Other chubas do one thing for half an hour, Nade switched every 1-5 minutes. You can skip to anytime and youre getting a whole different mix if triggers. She could add more. Either way its 9/10 for me. Audio and background stuff can get in the way sometimes but overall it wasnt as interupted as others. I wish she harnessed that potential.

>>31115065
Thanks for your thoughts they helped, you could've just rightfully call me a schizo/unicorn/incel and be done with it. Dorklings are nice

>>31116097
pirating indie chuuba content is morally grey. if you want her to dance to your tune (no discord no blatant favoritism) maybe stop making her hate you lol

>>31116356
Holo fans do it. People who want to support chuba will pay, those who dont want to pay wouldnt have payed either way even if nobody pirated.

>>31116658
>indie chuuba
>buh holo does it
learn2read

>>31116890
Where did your lol and kek go?

>>31116974
lol
lmao
kys

>>31117139
Love you too :)

I miss Nade.......

>>31117562
WHY DIDNT SHE TWEET TODAY???? NADE??

>>31116097
It's a lot harder to rate her live content, as chatting and if an individual is responsive to the triggers I'd rate her live asmr much higher than the average though.

I was strictly talking about her roleplay asmr content on youtube. Ideally she would learn to tween animate the images used, it helps with clickthrough rate and viewer retention greatly. Linamyth is a good example of this, tweening hair takes 15-30 minutes after getting used to it, then just loop it.

A major point of binaural audio is the sense of 3D space. She doesn't capitalize on it in her videos. What I mean by that is creating extra point of references. You have the two ears on the mic, if you talk into the left ear the listener will know, but if you tap on the right at the same time the immersion of that 3d space deepens as you have an extra point of reference. binaural sound effects (post production), or even panned music to accompany a voice can do wonders.

Another thing is her lackluster "realistic" response she does when speaking to the listener. Pretending to ask the listener questions only to then not wait the proper amount of time it'd take for the listener to respond is poor form and ruins immersion. She only waits 1 second rather than 4-6, and also doesn't respond to whatever nonexistent answer the listener might have said. This is really nuanced so it's a case by case basis.

"so why are you on the school roof?" *proper pause length for the question*
then you can answer generically or specifically.
"oh really" or "Really? Mr. Clemmens is really a dick to make you do that."
The latter makes the viewer more engaged as they have to guess what the listener POV said via context clues. "urban nymph" is a youtuber that excels at this type of thing for reference.


tl;dr, autism

>>31118869
I wanted to give some feedback on her asmr as well which I consider subpar but was afraid it would result in another "twitter space" situation

>>31119344
she was sick in her last one so I thought it'd in bad taste to comment on that one. I have no idea if nade would appreciate feedback, but she sounded rather disappointed she hasn't gotten much growth on youtube. I just consume asmr not produce so it may be unwanted.

>>31119862
She can do shorts meta on Tiktok and YT for easy growth

>>31118869
>>31119344
>>31119862
The issue is situational and roleplay ASMR on youtube is EXTREMELY oversaturated. That type of stuff would be better saved for members content. As for her Twitch ASMR she seems to have cornered a market that hlis very hard to break into which is talking ASMR. Anyone into ASMR knows the majority of Twitch ASMR is just ear rape without much substance. Nade didn't invent the wheel or anything but she is extremely good at what she does. This also gets around viewer bleed since every stream is unique.

https://twitter.com/nadechama/status/1560284855367114752
https://twitter.com/nadechama/status/1560284855367114752
https://twitter.com/nadechama/status/1560284855367114752

>>31123419
pantsu colourか

>>31123140
Studio paint broke while I tried to make a huge I miss her

>>31123419

>>31123419
I wanted to ask about her exercise outfits but I'm a coward so went with generic stuff instead

>>31118869
On the roleplay i agree. Im no expert so im not sure what to call her style, low voice acting skills? She as you said tends to fire out her lines one after another and i think the scenarios could use more diversity to push her to play more diverse and stronger reactions. But maybe she doesnt like that sort of coomer culture that some vtubers voice act into. I think she should slow down in those scenario videos, i think when she started out she had a slower pace in those so they werent as ‘script reading’ like. I will say that i hope she continues and tries to one up herself because it would be such a delight to see her improve. Nade has those moments where you feel she settled but then she comes in one day and sucker punches you with some improvement and its such a ‘pogchampion’ moment as the kids say.
I would be against sending her feedback for now, or at least dont make it sound like youre grading her assignment paper. Not to mention theres no purpose to it when theres no content about it.
Also, did anything follow after this? I remember refreshing her youtube for half an hour.

>>31124312
Ask her, she just wont read it and its anonymous. Wrap it in seiso of course.

>>31124689
Forgot imazhe.

>>31123801

>>31124957
Anon! At least write it like the purpose isnt lusty. Convince her like youre writing your majors degree about it.

>>31124957
that's so unapologeticly straightforward I don't know if schizo or based

Nade sketch requests?

>>31125273
Nade working out or Nade reading lewd marshmallows and getting annoyed

>>31125273
need moar nade butt onegai

>>31125273
Nadeshiko, prego with twins, in a naked apron, preparing dinner as you come back home from work.

>>31124957
She already gave a cup size, isn't that enough?

>>31126863
dorklings have goldfish memory please understand

>>31125273
Back shot of Nade washing herself before getting in the bath, hair in front of her so you can see her back. Sitting on one of those small seats of course.

>>31127379
We're also greedy for more.

>>31126863
She did?

>>31130747
In her last drawing stream I believe, a side view of her chest was done and she offhandedly said E-cup, which is a DD in US sizes.

first time watching her since her move to twitch and wow... she is so terminally /here/ (not saying it's a bad thing). it seems she's grown a lot in audience, how do new people react to her takes on things?

>>31131337
They seem to handle it well and she holds herself back a lot compared to early days which is smart

>>31131337
She's just tradpilled military autist. Too chill to be vt's own or what they call these days

>>31125359
>>31125422
>>31127506
Traditional jp bath and working out are solid ideas. The bath scene especially.
>>31125703
Thats too dangerous, darklings may not survive.
>>31131337
How so? Shes fairly tame i think.

>>31131800
great and accurate meymey
always appreciate your artistic skills

>>31131800
Nice. Seeing your stuff makes me want to start drawing again

>>31131800
This is amazing. Thank you.

>>31132038
>>31132329
Thank you!
>>31132104
Thanks! You probably should. Draw something once a day, no matter how quick or crappy of a sketch it is or not. Just start building a habit once more. Draw Nade

>>31131800
This is great, Warashiko material. I can't shake the feeling that Nade's top was an afterthought.

>>31132883
Thank you I will! without /ic/ this time

>>31133227
Are you implying she was nude?
I should probably add the outlines for that. Or make a regular outfit if im gonna post it.

>>31133640
Best way to suck the fun out of it is start off with dry studies and rules i think.

>>31131800
Don't doubt yourself anon your drawing has a lot of soul not in the ironic way either it has character and looks good.

>>31136078
Thanks that is reassuring. Chibi/stylisation is an alien world to me i wish i was better at.

>>31131257
>she offhandedly said E-cup, which is a DD in US sizes.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>31032130
cute

>>31124689
I can definitely agree that just belting out a script instead of properly treating it like voice acting a character is a waste of opportunity. Not sure what you mean by the youtube stuff, she hasn't uploaded this week, no.

>>31124689
I enjoy Nade's scenario videos, and I'd like to see her go further with them. They don't need to be romantic even, as long as the scenario is interesting.

IIRC it was a cost-benefit analysis thing - Nade doesn't want to go all-out adding polish like illustrations and BGM any more if she doesn't think many people are even going to watch the video in the first place. Which might change if she opens member content.

what content do you hope to see in members? i want voting rights