/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>30758679
it's all Hana's fault. if she gave her channel over to her dad like everyone wanted her account would be in the millions of subs. we'd get to listen to him talk about unions and socialism all day long but she's a stupid spoiled bitch and would rather stream what she enjoys without pressure.

>>30758679
Hana. Genuinely, it's hers. She had the heartstart by a whole year over Coco but she did nothing with it, and refused to get 3d until her genmates could too

>>30758679
I don’t have any sympathy for Hana. What a fucking bitch.

>>30758679
Uncivilized branch

>>30758679
Because Democrats hate ID

>>30758679
lack of talent, now they have to accept their fate

>>30758679
because ID is just their minimal viable product, they won't dump any money to make it bigger

>>30758679
They're about to get 3D tho

>>30758679
She could've been one of the biggest English speaking vtubers, but she threw it all away because she's a menhera

>>30766346
only hana

>>30758679
Because Hana self-sabotaged and drug the whole branch down with her.

Why do you all hate hana so much?
It's not her fault her other genmates suck

>>30770029
>her other genmates suck
>ok let see who is the competition back then
>a fucking holoID gen 1

Nijisanji was a genuine ID branch, all the models used indonesians artists and the livers themselves spoke primarily indonesian, nobody gave a shit. The problem is that indonesians just didn't want them.
>>30775423
Don't pretend that HoloID wasn't a failure out the gate either, they only inclined because they where proto EN.

>>30776418
>Don't pretend that HoloID wasn't a failure out the gate either
Where did i pretend it? Both corpo have a rough start in the beginning. NijiID have the advantage with Hana as its talent
> they only inclined because they where proto EN.
Now does it make sense people blamming Hana for not taking the spotlight?

Nijisanji business model is different than Hololive. Hana decision making isn't suitable for Niji, i'm quite surprised the management didn't force her as a branch 'center'

>>30777147
Hana never wanted to to be the center of anything. She inclinded because the market was hungry for an EN chuuba and she hated it, she left her entire branch in the dust.
And fuck off with this "she should have propped up everyone" she did, it didn't work, doesn't help that most of niji ID livers are primarly indo speakers or have super thick accents.

>>30758679
They were laser focused on the local ID audience, the only one growing was Hana and that's because she found an audience outside of ID, but she's a menhera with impostor syndrome who didn't wanted to betray the ID pride she forced upon herself, so she threw it all away in order to stay focused on the nothing audience they had, the EN audience then moved on because focusing on groups who were actually pandering to them like some of holoID and holoEN was better than expecting some EN crumbs from nijiID while they pretend the EN audience don't exist
They got a little better after the merge because everyone got a reality check, they also had mika who embraced the EN audience she had, and since nijiEN took the main focus Hana decided to stop being a menhera and even accepted to finally receive her 3D

It's all Hana's fault.

Hana has been depressed for over a year and a half now. I like her but jesus christ

>>30758679
It's "why did the flop?"

dont mess with the format, anon

So is her dad not allowed in stream after the whole DSA thing?

>>30782097
He was already banned anyway because he attracted views

>>30782097
He was actually helping the channel, that's a nono for hana even if her dad is a dumb commie sexpat

It failed because the audience is racist. Why would they want to watch discount versions of Japanese streamers?

>>30758679
Hana. Newfags won't remember but she had a clip presence as big as Hololive in early 2020, she had almost a total monopoly on the english speaking youtube vtuber audience and she tossed it because she's a dumbass who didn't want to succeed.

>>30776418
>The problem is that indonesians just didn't want them.
This.

>>30783531
>lazy excuse

>>30783623
Ok let me expand on that
Indonesians didn't want them and they didn't wanted anyone outside indonesia

Nagisa and Derem are the cutest.

>>30776418
>>30779202
>genuine ID branch
>laser focused on ID audience
These statements are fucking bogus, they never give a fuck about what ID truly wants, they rather debuted what they'd call the ideal IDchuuba which guess what? They don't, so basically NijiID flopped because they have no identity
>don't want to be ENlite
>don't want to be IDchuuba either

>>30783903
>Laser focused on indos but not ID
Your statement makes no sense. THey wanted the indo market and only the indo market and nobody was interested.

>>30784014
that anon seems to think that the only Indonesian audience that matters is the Facebook meme spouting normalfag one

>>30784014
Ofc they don't became niji failed their market research and ended up debuting those who didn't fill what ID demands from their chuubas

>>30784799
And that is?

Considering the most popular indonesian vtuber in the world atm is a child that sang a very descriptive song about shit, I'm just gonna go ahead say the problem is indonesians.

Hey, let us make new /nijiID/ thread, it should be regular thing

>>30783623
No, there can be many reasons. Maybe they were boring and didn't have any talent at streaming. Idk because I am not Indonesian. But ultimately it boils down to the Indonesians didn't want them. Even though they were streaming for them in Indonesian. Saying they all failed because one e-thot is a lazy excuse.
I believe Indonesians only care for popular stuff and don't watch streamers with little numbers. So they need a boost by someone, such as Holo did when ID took of with Pekora saying Hey Moona!

>>30784721
>the only Indonesian audience that matters is the tiktok meme spouting normalfag one
ftfy

>>30770029
her genmates are just as "good" as her
But they didn't have
>Perfect fluence in english
>Funny Dad to cause great clippable moments
>Sodafunk clipping those moments

Some people want to say it was the political stuff her father spewed later, but in reality was gatekeeping EOP from enjoying her content

>>30787539
>gatekeeping
Is it true that NijiID IOP fans also do some kind of gatekeeping?

>>30787723
it's far worse than that, IIRC.

the ID viewers back then do a lot of "gak bisa bahasa enggres" (it means "cant speak english") spam so that's quite a problem too with HOLOID, i believe, but the staffs reacted totally differently.

let's face it, Hana was basically one of the first EN chuubas but the official didn't do any english content until Lazulight shows up. Also, too many exID members changed immediately to full english right after the merge happened.

as far as it can be assumed, they're probably pressured by the management to keep using that stupid language.

Don't understand the arguments against Hana here. Even if she pandered to the EOPs fulltime and became NijiEN wave 0 or whatever, how does that help anyone else in the branch? Still would be a bunch of 2views with one moderately popular member.

>>30788833
If they were forced mika would've at least tried to have some regular id content, it's quite easy to notice the id pride everyone had in that branch, I think they really wanted to nurture an indo audience and really tried to not dilute their content with en pandering

>>30789267
if it's ID pride then how come they changed immediately to full english right after merger? especially those who are fluent like bonni, reza, zea, or layla? mind you, they did almost half english before merging.

ID pride makes sense if the argument is about Riksa or Xia who are still doing ID contents until now.

back to my argument before. staffs went english after lazulight. and Mika debuted AFTER lazulight. to add to that, they released english voice content the first time on nov 2021 and that's literally the only english content they have. that's also after EN.

to be clear im not exactly defending them. if they go full english from the first, they're nowhere near the horny meta of current westerm vtubers. but most of these people dont sound like those who have ID pride. quite the opposite, really.

>>30789064
Anon, most of non-holo corpos works that way with one key talent to spearhead the rest, but Hana refused to realized that she debuffed others when she rejected her spearhead status so NijiID ended up without any key talent until Mika but when that happened it's already way too late

>>30790185
hell, even holo works that way

>>30790119
>how come they changed immediately to full english right after merger?
Because they were too comfortable with their exclusive id pandering despite having no growth and then their branch got nuked, it's not a coincidence that everyone started talking about the changes they were going to make to how they stream, a lot of them don't seem to reject outside growth anymore and even hana improved a lot in that front, some also started doing more jp content too, they were basically forced to get their shit together in fear of being axed

>>30776418
>they only inclined because they where proto EN
They only inclined because of peko moona unironically.
Then Ollie started collabing with every streamer she could find which helped to cement their foothold

>>30790820
>Moona for HoloID gen 1
>Ollie for HoloID gen 2
see?? >>30789064 someone needs to take the spotlight. The only talent in NijiID 1st wave who can take it is Hana

because until Kobo basically no ID vtubers actually managed to get a large amount of ID viewers for some reason, so they were reliant on being basically knockoff EN, which is still mostly true which you can see by the fact that the most successful NijiID streamers mostly speak English and are actually fluent in it

>>30788833
I think that spam reaction was different because even prior to that holo could just let EOPs overflow their chat which is something niji couldn't have

Niji ID fans got some pretty elitist people which gatekeeps hard which means very few new fans but loyal old fans.

This is what you get with nepotism hire.
>>30794746
A group of 30 or so people tend to be loyal.

>>30758679
The managements are not good at recruiting talented streamers.

We already had this conversation. Hana fucked it up for everyone by being a giga bitch after they tried to make her the face of the branch.

>>30795131
Don't fucking talk about talent here anon, it's irrelevant especially at ID where they love the shittiest shit there, this is purely a failure by their lack of targeted marketing

>>30796844
>the shittiest shit
The point still stands, they FAILED to find the stinkiest shittiest shit from multiple auditions.

That bitch Hana should have donated all her subs to everyone else and instead she didn;t

>>30758679
Hana's imposter syndrome crippling the whole branch.

>>30801808
This

cute

Just because Hana did a SjW yab, youre calling for nijiID failure already?

>>30807915
The term "Go woke, go broke" exist for a reason anon

>>30776418
>they only inclined because they where proto EN
>>30790820
>They only inclined because of peko moona unironically
Baffling. Have you guys isolated yourself from the rest of the ID scene since they axed Niji ID or what?
You talk like ID3 doesn't exist, yet here they are, a golden generation, able to attract hundreds of thousands of new ID vtuber fans, something that Niji ID can only dreamed about.

>>30758679

seems pretty clear cut to me
>>Hana
>>disgustingly focused on being Indo to a degree even indos were annoyed and left

>>30796844
> it's irrelevant especially at ID where they love the shittiest shit there
Who are you talking about? Kobo?
Kobo may act like shitty streamers, but she is far from what you call untalented. She is also smart enough to understand what the market wants, the ID market. And I think no one in Niji ID has that kind of mentality, they are either doesn't give a fuck about growth or have no idea what to do for growth other than leeching their family member or the EN fandom.

>>30808633
>Have you guys isolated yourself from the rest of the ID scene since they axed Niji ID or what?
I won't be surprised if that's the case

>>30761451
>>30759386
These. She is a menhera hapa who is weird about being proud of a deeply ethnonationalist nation.

>>30758679
>Hana gets really popular from playing DOOM
>Passes the subscriber requirement for a 3D model easily
>Hana refuses to get 3D until the other ID members channels grow and they can debut together
>Management starts forcing her to MC for any kind of multi-language collaboration because she's popular and can speak EN/ID/JP
>Hana starts streaming debuff games more often and streams less in general
>CCV starts gradually dropping until she goes from being a regular 4view to a low 3view
>ID branch begins to stagnate as a whole

>>30787723
I think they do gatekeep but somehow they're too retarded to be aware of it

>>30758679
>boring-ass streamers
>Isolated fanbases
>abadoned by Riku
all they have to do is to take the instruction from anykara to leave the company after the branch gets axed, Nijisanji is a real Black company.

In holoID, every generation has a strong figure, unlike nijiID, where Hana carried the branch until Mika took it over

Is there any relation between the merger of ID/KR into JP with them doing IPO?

>>30829886
KEK, you still bumping this thread

As everyone's said, it's mainly Hana refused to take the chance, unlike holo id
Moona is carrying 1st gen on early days because of PekoMoon making them known in JP scene
Ollie carrying them in EN scene just by being super loud (and it fucking works)
Kobo is what everyone in Niji ID failed to be, finally exposing vtuber into wider ID market
Hana could literally take the chance to carry her entire gen and branch but refused to, because she wants to do 3D debut with her whole gen, and as you guess it, those day never came, Hana gave up and received her 3D without her genmates, only after their entire branch got pruned

>>30825368
More like Hana halfheartedly tried to carry the branch kek

>>30831128
Can you enlighten me on why exactly only she can get a 3D?

>>30838129
Maybe because she was in lazudebuts, she gets a 3d as an EN wave0

>>30839140
But couldn't Hana get one before EN even debuted?

>>30838129
i think the condition is getting 100k to get into the waiting list for 3d. That's all.

>>30839708
That's really embarassing for NijiID, can't lie

idk & idc
all I know is that taka rajiman is based and tamako naan stream is pure kino

>>30839622
Tech logistics are expensive anon

>>30758679
They didnt

>>30840102
>tamako naan stream is pure kino
Based, i love it too

>>30761451
This right here. She was getting lots of clip videos as well. If she wasn't such a menhera Nijisani could have beat Hololive in attracting the broader English speaking audience. But she had to go be bitch about it. Which not only dragged her but her whole gen down with her.

>>30758679
A lot of posters will say Hana could have carried the branch but I don't see many scenarios where NijiID survives as a separate entity/brand and Anycolor proceeds with their IPO. It's clear consolidation/unification of the brand was a major part of their preparations. Besides, most of the early fans of bilingual Vtubers got swamped anyway by the influx of new viewers with Myth.

>>30758679
didn't

>>30852138
What?

>>30847617
It's not like a merger should be doom and gloom imo, it's just that how much refocusing niji wants to do after the merge because I feel like EN are talent wise too segmented to anglosphere meanwhile surely the Asian talent group are very promising if niji knows how to find them, I know rn the main branch are trying to homegrown their JP talents with VTA but would it be enough in a competitive market that JP is? I believe they'll be a day where overseas expansion would be a thing again at both EN and main branch

>>30846814
Lmao 2434 ID fans sheeting over losing to Holo ID

What if, time /vtt/.

What if instead of Hana, Mika was a founding member of the id Branch?
How would things have turned out differently?

>>30758679
SEA has the largest population of unicorns and lolicons, they failed to recognize that

>>30862390
Isn't Mika's role these days is to get railed by the nijiEN males? As in it's actually happened?

>>30758679
There is a timeline where Nijisanji won the EN market monopoly because Hana decided to not be autistic about her sudden popularity in the English speaking sphere.

>>30758679
Hana and her imposter syndrome killed it.

>>30846744
do you like... tamako naan stream?

>>30866063
>SEA has the largest population of unicorns
Not in ID tho

>>30758679
they're not Kobo

>>30862390
wouldnt watch it, would just be pandering to EN audience

sometimes i wonder if Hana's being tormented by the guilt that she singlehandedly caused her branch's own downfall.

hello, please subscribe to Etna Crimson. Nijisanji's cutest hero
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjFu-9GHnabzSFRAYm1B9Dw

Rai galilei is the cutest

>>30790185
>how does that help anyone else in the branch?
just look at nijiEN pos-luxiem boom
being associated with the popular kids rub off on you
>All nijiEN girls got more subs
>Mika and Bobon became way more popular than the rest of the exID by being associated with nijiEN

>>30862390
She wouldn't find the same level of success hana Had (Dad + Big clipper)
but she would still be the most popular ID in the branch because of her english

Will a chuuba get to know that I'm a Seanigger if I join membership? Don't want that

>>30758679
their biggest mistake is not asking guidance from the father of kusogaki of the death

>>30862390
Without her EN collab buff, she's nothing

>>30759386
Her dad was a pointless cuck who just bitched about the "racism" of various bands. Hana killed her growth by not riding the late 2020 EN vtuber boom not by not inviting on gen X IT worker number 9556735743 more frequently.

>>30758679
Hana refused to have her 3D debut right away, it could have buffed them if she accepted.

>>30758679
That cute hapa killed it, she only had one job

>>30758679
Weak cast that just didn't improve over time. Out of all the IDs I can only remember Taka, Hana, Zea, and Mika. I'd argue most of the global 2-view indies nowadays can outperform the weaker cast of niji ID.
Most of the cast didn't seem like they want to explore beyond their comfort zone and their streams suffer from that. Guess what people do when they see unbearable streams? They leave

>>30866641
Maybe one in a hundred quadrillion timeline anon