/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>2997653
cuck

>>2997653
ENMA HATE

>>2997670
Get raped emna

>>2997736
so it yourself fag

Yeah the turning the managers into some waifu character felt forced and weird to me. J-chad at least has some soul though. Lets Mori do what she wants but also puts limits on her so she doesnt yab too hard, and has a cool unique design.

cant believe a community purposefully cultivated by the CCP to be retarded bootlickers is full of retarded bootlickers

>>2997653
>he thinks it's only on reddit
Welcome, newfag.

>>2997766
Sorry I don't want to get herpes from your whoreish cunt. Maybe you can go to Turkey so they can cut your tits off you fucking bitch.

>>2997793
it's only here because all the redditors came over here shitting up the place

>>2997653
>So does hololive staff maintaim the hololive subleddit?
Yes, they don't want rrats to reach EOP

>>2997851
>all the redditors came over here shitting up the place
Like it wasn't already a trash heap before they got here.

>>2997772
tfw she even powercreeped her managers design on top of her own

>>2997653
I still want to fuck all the Enma and it was Jenma's fault, Not Enma.

>>2998019
me too

>>2997653
Enma only manages Ina tho, Jenma manages Gura, Ame and Kiara, so Jenma is the biggest bitch

>>2997772
Enma wasn't the first iirc

Reddit made the T-chan character first (or whoever handles the Reddit board)

Enma is probably the 2nd one and most popular since an actual Holo talent made the design

Jenma was born from Kiara's descriptions from a stream because she also wanted a design. Mamaloni made Jenma

Mori made J-chad because why not.

I'd argue the T-chan and M-chan models were forced by Reddit.

Enma, Jenma and J-chad were made by the HoloEN crew

>>2998302
Thought T-chan and N-senpai were what the hololive mods told everyone to call them?

>>2997653
without her half of EN would have committed suicide already

>>2998391
Ah yeah N chan

M-chan is the Indo Manager

What I meant is Reddit made Character Models for T-chan and N-chan, even before Enma got one, because they wanted them to be the same as A-chan

>>2998194
No one cares about dumb triple manager shit. Enma will always be the punching bag because her name is literally short for "EN manager." When will you retards realize this?

>>2998613
Naming conventions, retard, you shouldn't say Enma while refering to all EN managers because then the individual Enma couldn't be refered to in any way

Enma is Singaporean and Singaporeans are the most soulless people in the region. Imagine being a Zhang AND a SEAnig at the same time. That's enma.

>>2998803
nobody gives a shit asshole, whoever is making the decisions knows they made the decisions we're complaining about

>>2997653
ENMA LOVE!

>>2997653
>hololive EN girls mention that Emna the cunt won't allow them to collab with Coco
Why though? Isn't the whole chink shit dying down more or less already?

>>2997670
Agreed. sounds like a cuck

>>2999157
Your coco collab rreps anon

>>2999157
No, Coco has just gotten better at managing it.

>>2997653
Coco doesn't want to collab with EN because it would make it too obvious how bad her English really is if she needed to have a full conversation with a real native speaker.
Coco is personally moderating reddit and has deliberately allowed the perceived personality of Enma to foster by picking which posts are allowed to stay up.

Reading your post makes me think you're rrat OP.

>>2999261
Actually Youtube has finally done something about the chink spammers

>>2997653
Enma is based
and OP is a faggot

>>2999733
>Kiara

>>2997653
The EN managers are the sole reason why they haven't collabed with idiots like Carlson and Canur. Those guys and others literally swarmed them like flies until they realized Hololive is a company and is not afraid to take legal action if they do the stupid shit they always do.

>>2999733
>Thinking the girls actually do moderation on reddit

>>2997653
Jenma is the one that doesn't allow collabs with coco, Enma is AO-chan and only manages Ina
ENMA LOVE
JENMA HATE

>>3001155
Enma has a punchable face so I will hate Enma.

>>2999090
How do you know this? Also, there's nothing more buglike and soulless than a Mainlander.

>>2997653
Fuck Coco.

>>2997653
Yagoo ignored Mel when she first spoke out about her manager. /vt/ treats him like a king who can do no wrong

>>3001208
Punch her face with my dick

eop vermin is so delusional that coco wants to collab with them ignoring the fact that, as she always is saying, shes pretty introvert. eop vermin will never understand it though.

>>3002556
>delusional that
that they believe*

Speaking of Enma, isn't it weird how last March we were drowing in Enma hornyposting, but now that there are a total of 3 managers to choose from there's been nothing but the same old SFW stuff. Guess J-chad and Jenma came too late for the hornyposters to bother, management hornyposting lived and died with Enma lewds

>>2997653
>reddit works non stop into making Emna some epic personality when she's just hololive's bitch no fun jannie
dunno about reddit and barely watch EN but i remember some anons hyping her up during the L4D collab for saving their asses(if that was the same manager) so that might have been the starting point for it

>>3000330
>tee hee emna us le based, amirite fellow redditors?

Eat Chinese sewer shit.

>>3001155
I don’t follow HoloEN and I always assumed EnMa was the manager for all of EN. Why is she called EnMa if she only manages Ina?

Enma managed to contains the cancer that is Coco. That's enough for my most BOAT (Based of all time) list

>>2997653
When are you going to figure out that reddit is almost entirely composed of flagrant bots, subtle bots, and the occasional human with such "informed" opinions that he/she may as well also be a bot?

>>2997653
>This artificial praise for emna the no talent whore can't be natural, is it?
Probably not. I mean the whole point in making EN management into anime girls was to prevent, or at least reduce, criticism.

>>3009975
>I’m Chinese.
What’s your point?

Is there anyway we can contact Hololive EN management to show them that there's demand for a Coco collab? I thought not, but it sounded like the recent Holo ID language drama was due to a group of people contacting the managers.

>>3009897
Because when she jumped in to fill the 4th spot during Grura Ame and Ina's L4D stream her Steam name was hololiveen_manager, it's also a play on Enma, who is the judge of the afterlife in japaese buddhism.

Everyone assumed also assumed she was the only HoloEN manager until Cali and Kiara revealed they had different managers, and it wasn't until recently that it was revealed that Jenma also managers Gura and Ame

do you really want to see the shitshow that would happen if the CCP bots and holoEN chat interacted?
none of them would know to report+block+ignore and it'd be a nightmare
that's what the managers are protecting the girls from

>>3010039
>Is there anyway we can contact Hololive EN management to show them that there's demand for a Coco collab?
Probably. If the demand was high enough, they could change their mind. It’s very similar to how the Twitter mob always gets their way. Enough people want something, even the removal of something, and they always win. It’s just how everything works. Mob rule.

Imagine still believing it's the low level managers that are stopping Coco collabs and not someone higher up at Cover.

Please niggers. It's clearly the bigger suits stopping it. Like the board of directors at Cover Corp, or it could be the numerous investors not wanting to take the risk of angry zhangs hurting their golden EN goose.

We even know each holobranch has their own producer that controls everything in their respective branch, hell, EN's producer did an interview a few weeks ago. Managers like Enma are nothing but pawns.

I just want a doujin where Enma gets raped by hundreds of old fat men! Is that too much to ask.

It's run by Coco who is rumored to BE Enma.

>Retards forgetting the Enma's character design is entirely by Ina

>>3010200
I see, thanks

>>3000271
They did something for Coco, and literally nobody else. They can still spam people who interact with or even reference her. I also highly doubt it's a permanent fix. They're autistic and persistent enough that they'll find SOME way around it, and then it's back to square one, waiting countless months until Youtube does their annual 'get an actual fucking human to check the mail' event.

>>3010474
Just because Ina designed it doesn’t make it any less retarded. Ina fucked up by making Enma into a character.

>>2997653
HoloEN will literally lose all their Chinese viewers if she allows them to collab with Coco. ENMA is based

>>3010474
>EN management character design is fake
Well obviously, because if you seen what they look like, you might be less forgiving of them for hating Coco. Anime girl = all forgiven. So Holo created more anime girls to hide management criticism. Maybe this is just me being a little cynical, but I think it’s probably accurate.

>>3010237
>guys the chinks would be mad so let's give in to their demands!
No.

>>3010696
Your last sentence is contradictory. Chinese are scum so losing their viewership would be based. Fuck emna.

>>3010696
>>3011661
>>3010237
>>3010039
The problem isn't the chinks its the reddit white knights that'll start a fucking racist war against every single chinese person. The chinks are harmless and at best an inconvenience its the reddit mobs that are the problem.

>>3011773
>The problem isn't the chinks its the reddit white knights that'll start a fucking racist war against every single chinese person

Implying reddit would ever be that based. Chinks account for nearly zero of hololive's income. Fuck'em.

>>3011773
I understand you're either shitposting I hope but grifters turning the EN girls and Hololive in general as a proxy for their retarded culture war was a possibility back then. Maybe not as much now though.

>>3010315
Precisely. Middle-management are tools doing the day-to-day, they have their marching orders, end of story

"Enma" is just lower management, she has her own boss.

>>3013218
well why don't the managers just ignore their orders then? what the worst that can happen?

>>3013323
They get fired and lose their income

>>3013323
They'd get fired lmao. Have you ever worked a real job?

>>3013348
>>3013390
So they'd rather just limit creativity than risk their job? Dumb.

>>3013595
Wanna know how I know you still live off your parents' money?

>>2998803
Oh man that must suck for her.
Anyway.

>>3013655
At least they'd be doing something instead of stifling collabs all the damn time.

>>3013693
Fucking kek you really have no perspective on how the working world works.

>>3013814
I have far more respect for someone getting fired for doing what's right then bending the knee.

>>3010696
what viewers, EN doesn't stream on bilibili and don't get as many viewers as before, bug or no bug

>>3013829
Why don't you get back to me when you have a job and can do something similar mr. armchair quarterback? Also how do you even envision this working out? It's not like they can flip a switch and poof a Coco collab into existence. If they try to set that up what likely happens is
>upper management finds out since collabs take time to set up and there are more than just the a couple managers and the talent in the building.
>the collab gets cancelled
>the talents are disciplined behind the scenes if they were complicit
>the management who allowed this to happen are fired and replaced by people who will just do what upper management wants next time
Doing what you suggest is literally throwing away your livelihood and income for fucking nothing in the middle of a global pandemic. Go get an actual job and stop mooching off your parents, the life experience and perspective will pay dividends.

>>3014228
You still haven't convinced me why this is a bad thing overall. Not only will the fans get pissed at Cover, but the Zhangs will be BTFO that the talents aren't afraid of Coco.

>>3014497
How are fans even going to know half of this this shit when it's all going to happen behind the scenes? Are the managers also supposed to release some fucking tell-all google doc that'll get them blacklisted? Also why would the managers sacrifice their jobs for literally nothing? I know you don't know so I might as well explain that
>jobs don't grow on trees
>doing "what's right" doesn't put food in the table or put your kids through school
Imagine explaining to your spouse and kids that you're now unemployed and possibly blacklisted because you tried to make an impossible collab happen between an anime shark girl and a reddit dragon.

>>3014735
At least it's doing SOMETHING instead of doing nothing. For all you that bitch about Cover not doign nothing, I figured you'd at least understand why someone would take this action.

>>3014896
Ok so you want people to basically throw their jobs and potentially ruin their lives by being blacklisted just so they can appease you by "doing SOMETHING." I complain about COVER not doing enough, but I'm not going to suggest managers do something as objectively stupid and unrealistic as what you're saying. Plus. why would any HoloEN talent/Coco go along with this insane scheme if it would obviously get themselves, their friends and their manager a shit ton of trouble? ]

>>3015167
>Plus. why would any HoloEN talent/Coco go along with this insane scheme if it would obviously get themselves, their friends and their manager a shit ton of trouble?
To prove to upper management that they're being complete fucking bitches about collabs?

Do you guys think management was angry at Coco for telling her viewers to ask the Holo EN girls why there is no collab? I cannot imagine that went well for Coco. No way possible.

>>3015213
Why would any real person risk their job and their coworkers livelihood just to prove that upper management is "being complete fucking bitches"? You asked for reasons on why they don't just ignore the upper managements orders and you've gotten them: they would be fired and potentially blacklisted.

>>3015451
They can always get another, better job elsewhere. Why bother dealing with an oppressive company when there are so many other places that can offer you a lot more freedom?

>>3015506
Tell me you've never had a job without telling me you've never had a job.
>They can always get another, better job elsewhere.
There we go. Let me tell you from someone actually has been in the working world: jobs, especially good jobs, don't grow on trees. You do not want to be unemployed, it's not like the bills stop coming. Plus they would be absolutely blacklisted from your industry if the managers did half the stuff you were suggesting by publicly throwing upper management under the bus to ensure this wasn't swept under the rug privately.

>>3015745
So what the fuck can we fucking do then? Just fucking... wait until upper management gets their stick out of their asses about their precious EN girls being """"harassed""""" by some retarded chinks that they FAILED to do anything about for several months?

>>2997653
I do not like how quickly ENfags tried to make the managers into characters. A-chan was officially made one. I would be more ok with it if more time/more stuff about those managers came up but imo, way too fast and feels too forced by ENfags.

>>3015814
>So what the fuck can we fucking do then? Just fucking... wait until upper management gets their stick out of their asses about their precious EN girls being """"harassed""""" by some retarded chinks that they FAILED to do anything about for several months?
Yep. Unfortunately it all comes down to what the people up top want. I'm hoping they'll budge soon with youtube apparently changing some stuff to hamper the spammers, but I'm not confident.

>>3015910
I don't buy it. They clearly had the ability to block all the chinese spammers months ago but they won't do it because they really hate Coco AND HoloEN and anybody who thinks otherwise is pozzed.

I like Coco but Enma was right, HoloEN are a new project that goes beyond just a separate gen. They're the future of Hololive and sabotaging that by turning their content political would be a disaster.
It doesn't even matter that the antis are wrong and that everyone is on Coco's side, because it encourages anti-Chinese spam in the chat and in the community as a reaction to the Chinese spam, which paints Hololive's fanbase in a bad light.
When HoloEN Gen 2 debuts they'll probably get more lax about it as their brand is fully solidified, but at this point it'd be retarded to expose themselves to international political scandals.

>>3016067
>if China says Coco is bad, then the Holo En girls should abandon her even though she had a hand in helping to select them. We must allow China to pick who is good and who is bad.
No.

>>3016209
Sorry corporations care about making money not making political statements or doing what's morally right. Your employer is not your friend.

>>3016281
>Corporations cave to pressure.
Then suggest for people to demand Coco get her collab.

>>3016348
If you tried this they'd just punish Coco and create more stress for her.
The situation will resolve itself given enough time is what they're probably banking on, and when Coco and HoloEN finally do get their first collab it'll be a huge viewership draw like when Kiara/Pekora collabed.

>>3016348
No one cares enough to pressure them and pressuring them is extremely bad form when they've done nothing wrong. Most Japanese viewers are mature enough to shrug and accept that Coco not getting a collab with HoloEN is just the way business works. Coco is not entitled to interact with HoloEN in the first place and Cocofags need to accept that too.

>>3016431
It shouldn't have to resolved it self in the first place, dammit! Fuck you.

>>3016431
>even though I said corporations must obey the mob, if the mob is for Coco then I’ve changed my position.
Stop moving the goalposts.

>>3016532
It's not about a mob you retard corporations always pick the least controversial path.
Turning HoloEN's chats into a political warzone would completely derail their streams and turn them into political martyrs when they just wanna stream games.
Japanese viewers are respectful enough to not spam back at the spammers but EOPs are retards who think calling bots zhangs and bugmen in chat will somehow not reflect poorly on their oshi.

>>3016447
>No one cares enough to ask them
We aren’t referring to a Japanese audience, so that is obviously not true. I’m sure some would like to ask them about it. Nothing wrong with asking.
>Japanese viewers shrug and accept that Coco not getting a collab
Right, but I’m talking about Westerners. That’s a whole different can of worms.
>>3016724
>corporations always pick the least controversial path.
It would be less controversial. That’s the point.
>Turning HoloEN's chats…
I didn’t mention anything about chat? Enm… I mean anon… you are really thinking too hard about all this. Relax, have a drink. Everything is fine.

>>3013323
To be honest? As far as I know, at this point, nothing. I do not believe that there is any legitimate risk to collaboration.

I assume what they fear is Chinese people starting to troll the ENs.

>>3017087
No what they fear is EN fans turning it into a scandal on Twitter when someone screenshots Gura's chat being nothing but "zhang" and "bugmen" spam from EOPs trying to "fight the antis."
If it was just about the antis it probably wouldn't be a big deal, usually the antis stop spamming after a day or two after the collab.

>>3017180
I don't think so, man. In the first place I literally only see that stuff on this site, in the second you can add wordfilters, in the third that would never be a fucking controversy because it would be the chat, not the talent, causing trouble, even assuming anyone highlighted it.

On the other hand spamming chat and making it unreadable/harassing the talent? THAT is an issue. I don't believe that the risk is that high anymore, but it probably is still considered a risk

>>3011691
no orcs are scum

>>3017271
>in the third that would never be a fucking controversy because it would be the chat, not the talent, causing trouble, even assuming anyone highlighted it.
You're probably out of the loop, but streamers on Twitch get bans all the time because their chat is "unruly" or not moderated heavily enough. The EN girls only have like 1 or 2 moderators in their chats so it'd be pretty easy for someone to send it to take a disingenuous screenshot and post it on Twitter to paint vtubers and their fans as racist or something. Those kinds of people already hate vtubers for a lot of other reasons, they're just looking for a way to market their hate to normies the way they successfully marketed Anime as being for pedophiles.

>>3017180
>if Chinese people spam, then EN fans might spam.
Then a simple no spam rule is fine. You seem more worried about how to best keep China happy, then how to best keep EN viewers happy. Odd.

>>3017442
I don't really get what you're trying to say anon, they already have a no spam rule in their chats.

The fact that the chinese are still a problem is entirely Cover's fault. they could of resolved this a year ago. if they wanted too but their hilariously incompetent. And i mean seriously I find it funny their shaking in their boots and canceling collabs because of spam.

>>3017410
>The EN girls only have like 1 or 2 moderators in their chats so it'd be pretty easy for someone to send it to take a disingenuous screenshot and post it on Twitter to paint vtubers and their fans as racist or something.
That’s not a threat right? Just making sure lol. Also we are talking about YouTube, and you only seem worried about the Chinese getting their way without showing any concern at all for the opposing view.

>>3017642
>>3017442
Take your meds dude, not everyone who has a different perspective from you is part of the "enemy."
Cover doesn't care about the Chinese spammers because they already pulled out of China and are actively working with Youtube to ban them as quickly as possible. They do care about their actual fans damaging their brand because they can't mass ban them as easily, so it's worth considering how the fanbase would react if HoloEN was exposed to the same kind of spam as the Japanese talents. Japanese fans understand this and will behave themselves so as not to damage their oshi's brand while EOPs are brainless monkeys who can't see the big picture, just like you.

>>3011773
>racist war against every single chinese person
>somehow a bad thing
>>>/out/

>>3017610
>I find it funny their shaking in their boots and canceling collabs because of spam.
Right, but I can imagine that it’s because of all the threats of what China MIGHT do to them, similar to the ones you’re seeing in this very thread. It makes you wonder who is coming up with all this BS.
>>3017828
>Cover is more concerned about their own fans damaging their brand. I am predicting every potential threat and trying to prepare for…
Calm down dude. Everything will be fine.

>>3015253
Who the fuck cares, retards keep spamming "oh mah collabz where" shit

burgers can't even keep their politics out of vtubers what the fuck

>>2999733
Coco literally lived in the US. If anything her english skills are just as good or better than even Kiara's.

I'm just worried about how these EN kids will react to the china spam. Won't be long before they start calling them slurs and shit and it'll look bad for Hololive and damage their brand. Once youtube has whatever shit they're testing on coco working on other channel's chats, then hopefully Enma or Jenma or whoever will approve it. If they still don't, then their management skills are seriously questionable.

>>2998409
>Gura still a mess of a human being
>Ame just said fuck her gluten allergy and plans to eat whatever to see what happens
She's not doing a very good job at all.

>>2999157
Suisei got chinkspammed last week for doing a 5 second long Coco impression and had to appoint members as moderators. It will never be over.

>>3009975
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>>2997653
thanks god, cocofags are the most insufferable cunts on earth, you literally can't see or read about anything hololive-related without a cocofag jumping in "gura is the x member created after coco" "amelia is playing the same game coco played before" "ina makes vanilla puns unlike coco!".

>>3020012
She can't pronounce any words that are even slightly uncommon. Her entire vocabulary comes from watching american movies.

>>3024708
The fuck are you talking about? She's only lived in Japan for around a decade, she grew up in fucking Atlanta. She knows how to speak and read English perfectly fine, it's just that her diction is fucked up because she shifted her primary language to Japanese, which is a completely normal side effect of doing that.

>>2997653
Or could it be that Coco still has bug bots in her chat? It doesn't have to be so deep

>>2997772
Enma was supposed to be a personification of all the english managers. Kiara was too much of a dumb fuck to get the memo and created Jenma as a result.